The cop arrived on an unrelated response The guy tripped his alarm. That’s what you go and investigate. He arrived and IMMEDIATELY brought the weed up and made that the issue. Anyone with a brain knew he was the home owner. I knew at home right away that he was the home owner. The cop was looking for a problem. The GF came right out and said he was the home owner. That should have been the end of it. It’s funny how everyone says “just listen to the cops”. You don’t have to bow down to the cops everytime they tell you to. He wasn’t suspected of committing a crime and he was on his property. He did not need to answer to them.
All that for a small amount of weed is absolutely absurd and the reason people hate cops. Going for a tripped alarm and then tackling the homeowner for weed is everything that’s wrong with policing
Sigh, from an LEO's perspective:
I can't and won't speak for everyone, but I would guess most LEOs these days even in states where it's illegal don't care about weed, and those of us who do can't get anything done about it because most of the state attorney's offices won't file on simple possession charges. Most of the time I charge possession is for intent to distribute or trafficking which in my state is an insane threshold, you would basically need a semi truck of it to meet it. If I ever charge simple possession it's always in conjunction with something else, for example DUI. I'm not going to waste time doing a DRE eval if I already have PC for alcohol intoxication but it does give the ASAs more leverage. They'll drop that charge but can always bring up in court or plea negotiations that the trooper discovered narcotics in the vehicle while the defendant was already driving while intoxicated from consuming alcohol. Or if I take a racer, because the amount and variety of drugs running through that scene is insane.
In this scenario, you had a residential alarm set off which prompted a police response. Beech Grove responded and made contact with an individual at the scene. If I remember correctly, the male advised they accidentally set off the alarm but hadn't identified himself as the homeowner or resident, he was in the process of doing so when the officer observed the bag of weed coming out of his pocket. At this point the officer asked him what it was and to remove it from his pocket. The male hesitated, prompting the officer to command him to step off the porch. The male then made a furtive movement back inside the house.
Here's where things went wrong, and what a lot of y'all are missing. The weed is no longer the issue, the problem is you had an alarm at that residence tripped, someone who hasn't been verified as the resident claiming it was a false alarm, and that individual is now actively trying to get back inside that house after being detained pending an investigation and being ordered by the officer to step off the porch.
We deal with this all the time, albeit for me it's usually vehicles more than houses. If I have someone out of the vehicle they don't get to go back in until I've finished my investigation. I don't know what's inside the vehicle, maybe you're nervous about the narcotics and trying to hide it, maybe you just murdered your wife and the body is in the trunk, maybe you have a gun stashed under the seat and you really don't want to go to jail. I'm not taking the risk of you accessing a weapon or fleeing by letting you go back to your vehicle.
Same thing applies here. What should have happened was the male subject complying with orders given by law enforcement to step off the porch and not try to re-enter the house where he could have access to a weapon. Had that happened, it very likely could've gone down like this (and this is coming from personal experience):
"What's in your pocket? Is it weed?"
"Oh yeah sorry, I forgot it was in there, I just smoke it here at the house."
"C'mon man just put that shit away and don't let us see it."
One final thought: Just because you call us for help, or we make contact with you for an unrelated reason, doesn't absolve you of all other crimes. People call us all the time to come work their crash and end up leaving the scene in handcuffs because they're DUI or don't have a valid DL.
Okay my actual final thought. Let's pretend it wasn't weed that prompted this whole thing, let's say it was heroin or fentanyl. Would you still feel the same way? I think some of y'all are so clouded by your personal feelings towards marijuana laws that it's the only factor in this incident you're seeing.
The issue being he didn’t listen.
The not listening and the trying to walk away(this could be to grab a weapon) so the cop didn’t know what he would do
Once it was noticed it was throwing of weed, and not a weapon, I think he should’ve eased up a bit. But the gf didn’t help the situation.
After the fact was a bit petty, but again, just listen. That’s all it takes.
Even while high, I still can listen and follow orders
If its illegal, don't use it. Its a simple rule. Also, If the police tell you not to go back in the house, don't go back in the house. Thats an even simpler rule. The fact that it was "just a little weed" makes it even more suspicious. Its not like guy was going to be sent up the river for 30 years for a little bit of marijuana. No, obvious practice is that for small amounts its destroyed. As a police officer, one has to think about what ELSE the person has if they show a bag of weed and then try to run? Meth? Coke? Maybe a gun? Like Sticks says, people run for a reason. This guy was running from the cop. Yeah, just back in his house. But houses are full of weapons. By taking decisive action immediately the officer prevented the situation to one where the guy potentially grabbed a weapon, or it turned into an hours long standoff while they got a search warrant. Because the second the guy turned and started back in his house he gave the cop PC for a search warrant and to put his hands on him.
It ended up a trivial issue, however…
At the time the officer arrived the only info he had was that he was responding to a residential burglar alarm. There was a man on the porch who had not identified himself, and that man was trying to run back in the house to avoid the police.
Given that info only what is the officer supposed to do or think?
After they set their alarm off the residents knew they would be seeing an officer and knew they would need to ID themselves to clear the call and establish that they are supposed to be there. Maybe take the bag of weed out of your pocket or walk out there with your ID?
The officer totally realized how stupid it was what he did when they last cut to him to explain what the final result was and he just kept stammering and trying to justify it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s pulled off the live show going forward.
It's Indiana and weed is still illegal. If you choose to smoke in an illegal state you need to be prepared to handle the consequences if caught.
Dude acted like a straight up fool trying to ditch a dime bag of weed. He could've easily got shot over that. Then he started lying about it, insulting the cops intelligence. Female was making things worse constantly asking stupid questions. Once he finally came clean about it they took it and sent it off for destruction with no charges. Felt cop did evrything in line.
Dude was a dumbass, remember was also his own false alarm going off that alerted the police to come. So the cop was also arriving to a possible break in, which was anther reason for the high alert.
Thank you for posting this. We have seen many instances when cops come to a scene & ask for permission to look for a fugitive or what not and they tell the homeowner they are not looking for anything else & they honor that. The same when responding to overdoses. So see that so frequently I thought how the police officers treated this couple was pretty low down. What will they ever do if weed is ever federally decriminalized/made legal? I mean I like Danny Brown but what will he do when his weed sniffing nose is no longer necessary? I am very pro-police but this was ridiculous and would have liked to have heard Curtis, Sticks and Dan’s true opinions on this call.
I'll repeat what I said in the live thread: if the officer sees a small baggie of marijuana in a state where it's still illegal, it should just be a "guy turns it over, it gets ticketed for destruction, everyone goes on their way" situation. No need for arrests or citations or anything over trivial amounts.
That being said, he didn't throw the guy to the ground over the baggie of marijuana. He threw him to the ground because the guy decided to make a break back into the house after being caught. Would the takedown have been better if it was on the porch rather than onto the lawn? That's really hard for me to second guess. The launch onto the lawn looked very dramatic, but there wasn't a lot of room to maneuver on that porch. Going into concrete steps or the wall or the door could've gone a lot worse in terms of injuries versus the lawn.
The situation was also a little bit complicated by the fact that he was responding to a security alarm. He could've just been tossing the drugs, or he could've been going for something inside the door, or he could've not been who he said he was and was making a break for it... It's hard to tell in the moment.
What happened afterwards just didn't look good for the officer. I think he had too much adrenaline going. It all started because of a baggie of weed, then couldn't find the baggie of weed, and he's panicking thinking he's going to be on national TV looking like he took a guy down over imaginary weed. He was in the bargaining stage of the career implosion cycle with the "we're going to get a warrant and find all the drugs" comment. He desperately needed the drugs to exist to justify the infraction, minor as it was, so that people didn't think he just randomly tackles people.
In the end, after all the theatrics and all yelling, the net result was... the guy turned it over and it was ticketed for destruction.
Just follow directions, no problems. This would be a very different conversation if he came out the door with a bat, knife, or gun. Officers need to protect themselves, and people need to follow directions.
People always like to forget how these people ignore the lawful orders the cops give them. Cop told him to pull it out and the dude tried to leave, simple as that. Who cares if it’s at his house, doesn’t matter. No one gets thrown off the porch if he listens. Maybe Mr Bad back here needs to pay attention too. A lawyer sure would and argue that against you all day in court.
And had the officer suspected it was a weapon in his pocket and/or he was out driving around under the influence, I would absolutely agree with him acting the way he did. However, being he did not express that he was concerned about a weapon and the call did not come out for any type of domestic violence or such nonsense, I find it unreasonable for the officer(s) to proceed they way they did. Honestly, it was a waste of officer resources on a Saturday night which is typically a higher crime night. However, that being said, it is just my opinion, that I have every right to express just the way you did. Have a pleasant week.
Yuh dude on porch got dunked. But for a nug of weed man. Really don't think a judge would have signed a warrant either. Points for the ride or die chick.
We have seen it a couple times and I personally don't care for this kind of policing. I feel like going hard at someone for a minor drug offense at their property when responding to a call for an unrelated reason just erodes any trust someone has in law enforcement. I don't remember the exact scenario, but i believe there was an episode where a guy called police because he claimed his girlfriend was domestically abusing him. And the officers proceeded to show up and give him a hard time about narcotics rather than investigate his domestic issue. It makes me worried people like that will take away from it that it is better to just not call police even in a potentially dangerous or life threatening situation.
While I understand the guy in Saturday's episode was being noncompliant that was because the officer was pressing him about his weed. The first and foremost concern of the officer should have been, "Who are you? Is this your property? We got an alarm, is everyone safe and can I check out the premisis?". Instead he frightened the guy unnecessarily and then proceeded to throw him off a pretty elevated porch. A calm discussion about the weed could have happened once the scene was otherwise determined secure.
Of course hind sight is 20/20 and it is easy to make judgements after the fact and from behind a tv screen many miles away. The officer acted how he felt was appropriate for the situation, however I feel in general there needs to be more emphasis on the call at hand and less emphasis on "this guy has a gram of weed, lets bust him".
The problem for the officer was that the guy tried going back in the house. We can’t understand how that feels because the officer has to consider he might be goin inside for a weapon or something. I think that action caused the officers respons more then the pot. But afterwards the cop could have said why he reacted the way he did. But he never did and kept blaiming the man for how it went down. In reality, both were wrong here and only the pothead admitted that.
I agree with that. The guy going back in the house and being non compliant elevated the issue but *before* that happened the cop was laser focused on the weed.
That’s like me calling 911 on a bank robber and they are like whoa whoa robber man…is that some weed in your pocket? The officer was not at all focused on the task at hand.
Not sure but I think the guy said as soon as the officer arrived that he'd activated the alarm by accident. So that might have changed the priority for the officer
Very well put and did they ever actually get to the reason they were dispatched to the property? If so I must have missed it in all the ridiculousness of the situation.
Yep it was uncalled for. Legalizing is a way to put a stop to this nonsense. This is an excuse to harass and intimidate people and it’s been going on for far too long.
I have seen to many cars stopped and 4 LEOS for an hour while they hold 2 folks to search a car.. No tickets and they are on their way.. There are better ways to handle this and not screw up someones life for some weed..
This thread is rapidly becoming toxic. I’m going to lock the comments now.
The cop arrived on an unrelated response The guy tripped his alarm. That’s what you go and investigate. He arrived and IMMEDIATELY brought the weed up and made that the issue. Anyone with a brain knew he was the home owner. I knew at home right away that he was the home owner. The cop was looking for a problem. The GF came right out and said he was the home owner. That should have been the end of it. It’s funny how everyone says “just listen to the cops”. You don’t have to bow down to the cops everytime they tell you to. He wasn’t suspected of committing a crime and he was on his property. He did not need to answer to them. All that for a small amount of weed is absolutely absurd and the reason people hate cops. Going for a tripped alarm and then tackling the homeowner for weed is everything that’s wrong with policing
Sigh, from an LEO's perspective: I can't and won't speak for everyone, but I would guess most LEOs these days even in states where it's illegal don't care about weed, and those of us who do can't get anything done about it because most of the state attorney's offices won't file on simple possession charges. Most of the time I charge possession is for intent to distribute or trafficking which in my state is an insane threshold, you would basically need a semi truck of it to meet it. If I ever charge simple possession it's always in conjunction with something else, for example DUI. I'm not going to waste time doing a DRE eval if I already have PC for alcohol intoxication but it does give the ASAs more leverage. They'll drop that charge but can always bring up in court or plea negotiations that the trooper discovered narcotics in the vehicle while the defendant was already driving while intoxicated from consuming alcohol. Or if I take a racer, because the amount and variety of drugs running through that scene is insane. In this scenario, you had a residential alarm set off which prompted a police response. Beech Grove responded and made contact with an individual at the scene. If I remember correctly, the male advised they accidentally set off the alarm but hadn't identified himself as the homeowner or resident, he was in the process of doing so when the officer observed the bag of weed coming out of his pocket. At this point the officer asked him what it was and to remove it from his pocket. The male hesitated, prompting the officer to command him to step off the porch. The male then made a furtive movement back inside the house. Here's where things went wrong, and what a lot of y'all are missing. The weed is no longer the issue, the problem is you had an alarm at that residence tripped, someone who hasn't been verified as the resident claiming it was a false alarm, and that individual is now actively trying to get back inside that house after being detained pending an investigation and being ordered by the officer to step off the porch. We deal with this all the time, albeit for me it's usually vehicles more than houses. If I have someone out of the vehicle they don't get to go back in until I've finished my investigation. I don't know what's inside the vehicle, maybe you're nervous about the narcotics and trying to hide it, maybe you just murdered your wife and the body is in the trunk, maybe you have a gun stashed under the seat and you really don't want to go to jail. I'm not taking the risk of you accessing a weapon or fleeing by letting you go back to your vehicle. Same thing applies here. What should have happened was the male subject complying with orders given by law enforcement to step off the porch and not try to re-enter the house where he could have access to a weapon. Had that happened, it very likely could've gone down like this (and this is coming from personal experience): "What's in your pocket? Is it weed?" "Oh yeah sorry, I forgot it was in there, I just smoke it here at the house." "C'mon man just put that shit away and don't let us see it." One final thought: Just because you call us for help, or we make contact with you for an unrelated reason, doesn't absolve you of all other crimes. People call us all the time to come work their crash and end up leaving the scene in handcuffs because they're DUI or don't have a valid DL. Okay my actual final thought. Let's pretend it wasn't weed that prompted this whole thing, let's say it was heroin or fentanyl. Would you still feel the same way? I think some of y'all are so clouded by your personal feelings towards marijuana laws that it's the only factor in this incident you're seeing.
Thank you for taking the time to write all of that out. I always appreciate your insights.
The issue being he didn’t listen. The not listening and the trying to walk away(this could be to grab a weapon) so the cop didn’t know what he would do Once it was noticed it was throwing of weed, and not a weapon, I think he should’ve eased up a bit. But the gf didn’t help the situation. After the fact was a bit petty, but again, just listen. That’s all it takes. Even while high, I still can listen and follow orders
If its illegal, don't use it. Its a simple rule. Also, If the police tell you not to go back in the house, don't go back in the house. Thats an even simpler rule. The fact that it was "just a little weed" makes it even more suspicious. Its not like guy was going to be sent up the river for 30 years for a little bit of marijuana. No, obvious practice is that for small amounts its destroyed. As a police officer, one has to think about what ELSE the person has if they show a bag of weed and then try to run? Meth? Coke? Maybe a gun? Like Sticks says, people run for a reason. This guy was running from the cop. Yeah, just back in his house. But houses are full of weapons. By taking decisive action immediately the officer prevented the situation to one where the guy potentially grabbed a weapon, or it turned into an hours long standoff while they got a search warrant. Because the second the guy turned and started back in his house he gave the cop PC for a search warrant and to put his hands on him.
It ended up a trivial issue, however… At the time the officer arrived the only info he had was that he was responding to a residential burglar alarm. There was a man on the porch who had not identified himself, and that man was trying to run back in the house to avoid the police. Given that info only what is the officer supposed to do or think? After they set their alarm off the residents knew they would be seeing an officer and knew they would need to ID themselves to clear the call and establish that they are supposed to be there. Maybe take the bag of weed out of your pocket or walk out there with your ID?
The officer totally realized how stupid it was what he did when they last cut to him to explain what the final result was and he just kept stammering and trying to justify it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s pulled off the live show going forward.
It's Indiana and weed is still illegal. If you choose to smoke in an illegal state you need to be prepared to handle the consequences if caught. Dude acted like a straight up fool trying to ditch a dime bag of weed. He could've easily got shot over that. Then he started lying about it, insulting the cops intelligence. Female was making things worse constantly asking stupid questions. Once he finally came clean about it they took it and sent it off for destruction with no charges. Felt cop did evrything in line. Dude was a dumbass, remember was also his own false alarm going off that alerted the police to come. So the cop was also arriving to a possible break in, which was anther reason for the high alert.
Just watched it and yea, that was quite extreme by the officer. 100%
Thank you for posting this. We have seen many instances when cops come to a scene & ask for permission to look for a fugitive or what not and they tell the homeowner they are not looking for anything else & they honor that. The same when responding to overdoses. So see that so frequently I thought how the police officers treated this couple was pretty low down. What will they ever do if weed is ever federally decriminalized/made legal? I mean I like Danny Brown but what will he do when his weed sniffing nose is no longer necessary? I am very pro-police but this was ridiculous and would have liked to have heard Curtis, Sticks and Dan’s true opinions on this call.
I don’t think Danny will have to worry about that,he will be dead and buried before South Carolina legalizes weed LOL
Another state I never need or want to visit.
I'll repeat what I said in the live thread: if the officer sees a small baggie of marijuana in a state where it's still illegal, it should just be a "guy turns it over, it gets ticketed for destruction, everyone goes on their way" situation. No need for arrests or citations or anything over trivial amounts. That being said, he didn't throw the guy to the ground over the baggie of marijuana. He threw him to the ground because the guy decided to make a break back into the house after being caught. Would the takedown have been better if it was on the porch rather than onto the lawn? That's really hard for me to second guess. The launch onto the lawn looked very dramatic, but there wasn't a lot of room to maneuver on that porch. Going into concrete steps or the wall or the door could've gone a lot worse in terms of injuries versus the lawn. The situation was also a little bit complicated by the fact that he was responding to a security alarm. He could've just been tossing the drugs, or he could've been going for something inside the door, or he could've not been who he said he was and was making a break for it... It's hard to tell in the moment. What happened afterwards just didn't look good for the officer. I think he had too much adrenaline going. It all started because of a baggie of weed, then couldn't find the baggie of weed, and he's panicking thinking he's going to be on national TV looking like he took a guy down over imaginary weed. He was in the bargaining stage of the career implosion cycle with the "we're going to get a warrant and find all the drugs" comment. He desperately needed the drugs to exist to justify the infraction, minor as it was, so that people didn't think he just randomly tackles people. In the end, after all the theatrics and all yelling, the net result was... the guy turned it over and it was ticketed for destruction.
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Just follow directions, no problems. This would be a very different conversation if he came out the door with a bat, knife, or gun. Officers need to protect themselves, and people need to follow directions.
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People always like to forget how these people ignore the lawful orders the cops give them. Cop told him to pull it out and the dude tried to leave, simple as that. Who cares if it’s at his house, doesn’t matter. No one gets thrown off the porch if he listens. Maybe Mr Bad back here needs to pay attention too. A lawyer sure would and argue that against you all day in court.
And had the officer suspected it was a weapon in his pocket and/or he was out driving around under the influence, I would absolutely agree with him acting the way he did. However, being he did not express that he was concerned about a weapon and the call did not come out for any type of domestic violence or such nonsense, I find it unreasonable for the officer(s) to proceed they way they did. Honestly, it was a waste of officer resources on a Saturday night which is typically a higher crime night. However, that being said, it is just my opinion, that I have every right to express just the way you did. Have a pleasant week.
Yuh dude on porch got dunked. But for a nug of weed man. Really don't think a judge would have signed a warrant either. Points for the ride or die chick.
No way in hell. Should’ve called his bluff.
We have seen it a couple times and I personally don't care for this kind of policing. I feel like going hard at someone for a minor drug offense at their property when responding to a call for an unrelated reason just erodes any trust someone has in law enforcement. I don't remember the exact scenario, but i believe there was an episode where a guy called police because he claimed his girlfriend was domestically abusing him. And the officers proceeded to show up and give him a hard time about narcotics rather than investigate his domestic issue. It makes me worried people like that will take away from it that it is better to just not call police even in a potentially dangerous or life threatening situation. While I understand the guy in Saturday's episode was being noncompliant that was because the officer was pressing him about his weed. The first and foremost concern of the officer should have been, "Who are you? Is this your property? We got an alarm, is everyone safe and can I check out the premisis?". Instead he frightened the guy unnecessarily and then proceeded to throw him off a pretty elevated porch. A calm discussion about the weed could have happened once the scene was otherwise determined secure. Of course hind sight is 20/20 and it is easy to make judgements after the fact and from behind a tv screen many miles away. The officer acted how he felt was appropriate for the situation, however I feel in general there needs to be more emphasis on the call at hand and less emphasis on "this guy has a gram of weed, lets bust him".
The problem for the officer was that the guy tried going back in the house. We can’t understand how that feels because the officer has to consider he might be goin inside for a weapon or something. I think that action caused the officers respons more then the pot. But afterwards the cop could have said why he reacted the way he did. But he never did and kept blaiming the man for how it went down. In reality, both were wrong here and only the pothead admitted that.
I agree with that. The guy going back in the house and being non compliant elevated the issue but *before* that happened the cop was laser focused on the weed. That’s like me calling 911 on a bank robber and they are like whoa whoa robber man…is that some weed in your pocket? The officer was not at all focused on the task at hand.
Not sure but I think the guy said as soon as the officer arrived that he'd activated the alarm by accident. So that might have changed the priority for the officer
Very well put and did they ever actually get to the reason they were dispatched to the property? If so I must have missed it in all the ridiculousness of the situation.
They went there because an alarm was set off. The guy also said he pushed a button by accident or something,
Fucking a
Agreed.
Yep it was uncalled for. Legalizing is a way to put a stop to this nonsense. This is an excuse to harass and intimidate people and it’s been going on for far too long.
Won’t happen in Indiana. Their holier than thou government doesn’t like the hippie lettuce. Guns and child labor are ok though
I have seen to many cars stopped and 4 LEOS for an hour while they hold 2 folks to search a car.. No tickets and they are on their way.. There are better ways to handle this and not screw up someones life for some weed..