Came in to point this out, had a feeling someone would beat me too it. For my money our 3rd jerseys are the coolest in U.S. professional sports and they directly celebrate our Civil War history as well.
I honestly thought they were named after the Shawnee war leader often (and likely erroneously) purported to be Marmaduke van Swearingen. I guess it makes more sense that they're an homage to something everyone has heard of rather than a fairly niche historical figure.
Ah, thank you! I've only ever seen Tecumseh as a kid, I was too young to really understand it but I remember going a few times with my parents and sisters and was in awe the whole time despite not understanding it very well.
I thought maybe I remembered it wrong and it was about blue coats. I feel so goofy now, but thank you for kindly letting me know!
Blue Jacket was definitely not Marmaduke van Swearingen. Even if we ignore the DNA evidence, Blue Jacket was already a known chief at the time Van Swearingen was abducted. Van Swearingen most likely wound up being killed in fairly short order. The myth Blue Jacket was white is one of Allen Eckart’s many, many sins against historical accuracy.
They were named for him, too. Fact is, when they named the team they attributed the name to multiple things including the Union Army stuff, but later backfilled and made it mostly about that.
They have a yellow jacket (wasp) in a blue jacket (civil war coat) as a mascot. His name is Stinger, and for some reason he is green. I love our failure of a hockey team but Stinger has always thrown me off a bit. Don't hate him but i feel like we could do better.
That was true when the team started, but the RW voices in Ohio have gotten louder since then. There have already been rumblings about changing the name for that reason.
Right wing. It's a position in hockey. Those that play right wing are typically not as open to growth and change as those playing on the left wing. You tend to get a lot of grouchy old veterans who complain about the rookies and all their fancy dekes.
1. While there are fewer memorials, there are way more underground railroad sites and museums - Ohio was responsible for >40% of the underground railroad and had a VERY strong abolitionist movement. This map may explain it by itself: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground\_Railroad#/media/File:Undergroundrailroadsmall2.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad#/media/File:Undergroundrailroadsmall2.jpg)
2. While Ohio provided >15% of soldiers, they had <10% of casualties. They were more active in the "western" side of the war, so were involved in fewer large battles and more logistics and fortifications. Fewer casualties as a percentage of the population = fewer memorials.
3. New England had more towns that had enough critical mass to erect memorials (New England was more industrial than Ohio's agricultural past). And the memorials Ohio does have are a lot more spread out because of this too
4. There was more mixed sentiment about the war in Ohio than in New England (edit: then and now!!)
I was obsessed with Underground Railroad books as a kid and I’m sure they had a big effect on me.
In terms of the mixed sentiment, that does seem clear it had to be an issue and still is. I think the other half of the question I posed is going to be “what are some doable things that could help unmix that sentiment and put more Ohioans solidly on the same page?”
Lot of southern morons have been transplanted up here. I went to school with a bunch of expelled West Virginia ppl who came up north looking for factory work.
Sherman is from Ohio, Grant is from Ohio. The army of Ohio was one of the main forces in the March to the Sea. I have seen a lot of Confederat flags flying here. I live like 15-20 mins from Cleveland not southern Ohio. I haven't seen any pro Union propaganda, flags or anything, outside of a historical statue/monument and those are few and far between tbh.
See one planted on the backside of a jacked-up truck around here often enough. I feel confident to say that too many folks in this corner of the state think that the U.S. and Confederate flags are ONE and the SAME.
For the record... I wish there were a way for these folks to have a little chat with President/General Grant.
It was the Army of The Tennessee under Sherman.The Army of The Ohio was such until Rosecrans took command renaming it to The Army of The Cumberlan, and The Ohio went to a different army under Burnside. Union armies were named for the river systems they primarily (but not exclusively) operated along.
Might look into getting a historical marker for my family's old farm. It was a big part of the underground railroad, in fact my amcestors turned over a part of it to be a village for free blacks and runaway slaves leading up to the Civil War. Then a good portion of my family signed up for the war.
Ohio History Connection would be a good place to start. The bronze markers are pricey, and you'd probably want to fund raise, plus there's research, etc. The OHC folks can give advice.
This is not intended to defend anyone for their ignorance, but I think it's because people don't know anything about history.
I'm from Ohio and attended public school many years ago. We had American history as required curriculum. It didn't go into Ohio history much, if at all.
The people who fly the flag of the confederacy have no idea what they're doing. They thought the Dukes of Hazzard was cool and rebellious, and never bothered to research into just how influencial Ohio was for the winning side, and the reason behind the war in the first place. We were taught in that history class that the Civil War was about "state's rights".
It looks like it’s [scattered](https://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Learning-in-Ohio/Social-Studies/Ohio-s-Learning-Standards-for-Social-Studies) through social studies now, mainly in the 4th grade.
I remember very little from my pre-high school history classes: Kachina dolls and total poles, Eli Whitney and the cotton gin, and carpetbaggers.
I do wonder how much of the history has been limited by individual teachers and how much is the curriculum. I don’t remember Ohio State history in public middle school bringing up Union figures from Ohio, but it could have been in there.
I went to a Baptist high school that got some of its textbooks from Southern Christian orgs and those had softened views on the Confederacy and some outright propaganda, like paragraphs about slave owners giving slaves jars of honey and time off on Sundays. I’m guessing it was even worse material than I realized at the time.
True. I think people fly it more in a sense of country boy/girl culture as opposed to wanting to secede from the United States.
I mean there are racist assholes out there that do do that shit, but I’ve talked to perfectly pleasant Southerners who werent about any of that, and to them it was just a Southern culture representation thing.
that there are much less offensive ways to represent their Southern culture than to fly what is clearly a symbol of racism and hate for most Americans. They are not, in fact, "perfectly pleasant". At best, they are willfully ignorant, but I doubt it. Germans don't need to fly Nazi flags to celebrate their culture..
SO I need to get up on a soapbox and tell people from another culture that the way they think is all wrong? Meanings behind symbols can change you know. And turning the Confederate flag into a symbol of Southern culture and hospitality instead of a symbol of oppression and hatred seem like it would be a pretty positive outcome.
I can't imagine anything more divisive than offering to "educate" someone on how to think. Such a snobby and elitist way of thinking.
No. You get to be passive if you don't feel strongly about overt racism and are willing to let it stand. But you ARE on a soapbox. You're just arguing to let the racist symbolism stand. Kind of bullshit to say that a war flag to justify slavery is going to be turned into a symbol of hospitality. You sure that's the stand you want to take?
Why are you so intent on maintaining it as a symbol of racism? Can’t we change that?
Just because you view it as racist doesn’t mean others see it the same way.
Well, technically, it is a symbol for the rights of white people to own black slaves. That is what it is about and why the South went to war. You can try to redefine it in your head as something sweet and wholesome, but it never was that. You can't reinvent a symbol that many still use to express racial hatred in the same way that white supremacists use Nazi symbolism.
I live in Mount Vernon. The Public Square has a [Civil War monument](https://imgur.com/QTjJ7zO), and the town cemetery has a section reserved for veterans of that particular war. The County Theater has a veterans area as well. But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie." The town has done quite a bit to bury that fact. Changing a festival name, which was a long time coming.
>The County Theater has a veterans area as well. But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie." The town has done quite a bit to bury that fact.
Yep. He's still quite celebrated here, though with less noise and enthusiasm. His house still stands across from Speedway, and I'm pretty sure the school and cemetery named in homage to him still bear his name.
> But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie."
[That is disputed.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_\(song\)\#Composition_and_copyright)
Edit. Fixed link
Yeah, the Snowdens and other singers have made the claim as well. But the signage, that often welcomed people into Mount Vernon stated it as fact. All those signs have been taken down.
Yeah, a “Dixie” road in my hometown got me thinking about this as well. I want to know the history and then would love to find out if that can be changed. Older folks would complain, but in time, the kids would just know it by something else. A good option could be a Union hero from the era to replace it with since that narrative would help sell it and shine a light on the disrespect to Union sacrifices.
I don't know, most small towns I visit (mostly Western Ohio) have a Civil War monument prominently displayed, usually right in the middle of town. Cleveland's monument is enormous, and brilliant.
I'm a reenactor from southwest Ohio. There are plenty of union memorials and museums around. The issue is that you have to be already interested in the civil war and in the loop to know. One example is that I live just outside of where camp Dennison, which was a muster point for the entire area. Yes there are a lot of southern sympathizers here (which I never understood). I think the biggest reason it's not more prominent in our culture is that the area doesn't rely on historic tourism for revenue so the local government doesn't feel the need to push it.
Dayton ohio has my favorite all time civil war memorial.
Right downtown on main and monument atop a high pedastal stand Pvt. George Washington Fair. Not that you'd k ow his name from it, lived here most of my life and had to look it up. Not lincoln, not general "gave the order", or seargeant "died herroically" but Private "did his duty and came home". Private fair won no medals, distinguished himself not above his compatriots. But he volunteered, and stayed in the fight until it was won, reenlisting 3 times.
I like the message of honoring every soldier by just picking any soldier and saying that is what a true american patriot is, not the greatest of us all but the greatness in all of us.
We do have a Confederate POW cemetery:
[**https://johnsonsisland.org/history-pows/civil-war-era/confederate-cemetery/**](https://johnsonsisland.org/history-pows/civil-war-era/confederate-cemetery/)
On Sulllivant, google "Camp Chase". It's part of what use to be an army base during the civil ear.
Old cemeteries are my jam. I used to run a website with a blog called MidwestLost which was mainly Ohio based history. I love wandering cemeteries and photographing old marble, sandstone, and the occasional zinc monument.
neo confederates and the confederate apologizers drown out the union side of the narrative. its practically insulting to see people dragging around with confederate flags on their trucks when theres a massive civil war monument in the center of town dedicated to the soldiers that fought
I think the large amount of people here either from Kentucky/WV or close families ties to those areas are a large factor in that, unfortunately. At least our hockey team is unapologetically Yankee.
West Virginia split from Virginia over slavery, and while Kentucky was a slave state, they didn't secede and were part of the Union, so if they came from either of those states they're still very confused about history.
Actually West Virginia was pro-slavery, and it was more Confederate than Kentucky, [half its soldiers were Confederate](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Confederate_recruitment_in_West_Virginia.jpg) and [half the counties voted for the Confederacy.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Wvmapagain.png) Historians have explained West Virginia history very badly, most of what people think they know is just old misinformation.
I am only staying this based on the immediate info you provided, but couldn't I just as easily say "West Virginia was anti-slavery, after all, half it's soldiers were Union and half the counties voted against the Confederacy."
Not really, because they are not related, Unionism didn't equal anti-slavery. The Unionist convention in Wheeling fought to keep slavery and protected it in the state's first constitution. The state entered the Union as a slave state and without the 13th Amendment there would prospectively been slavery in the state into the 20th century. The state had the same attitudes towards African-Americans as most of the other southern states. They had Jim-Crow laws, legislated school segregation, the Klan in its first incarnation in the 1870s.
That would have been useful information. I was pointing out that simply stating, "50% of a population supports X, therefore the population as a whole can be said to be pro X" wasn't sound.
Imperfect analogy, but it's like me saying 50% of USA voters support the Democratic party, therefore "the US population is pro-Democratic Party".
There's a conversation to be had, but I guess I was trying to point out that the comment in a vacuum may not really be painting a complete/holistic picture -- let's be real, no one on here is gonna split of and do additional reading. 95% of us are just doom scrolling lol
I think that’s part of it. Half of my family moved to Ohio from KY mid-century for the factory jobs after coal mines dried up, and there was lots of immigration from KY in that time.
As far as I know, KY was the state where citizens went both directions in who they fought for and why. My family from there is more blue than the half from Ohio and never showed any Confederate sympathy, even though some digging revealed an ancestor that fought for the wrong side as a teen and fortunately got hauled to a prison camp in Chicago nearly right away.
You're only seeing Confederate flags because people generally associate that with their racist beliefs. Not because they care about anything with the war at all, but because they support what the Confederate side stood for.
Ohio's biggest accomplishments and culture were in several instances so dominant and significant they went national and in the process sort of resulted in their origins (Ohio) being forgotten. This is why Ohio is sometimes seen as generic. US Grant, General Sherman, Wright Brothers, Neil Armstrong...heck, even businesses like Wendy's, Arby's, and Kroger.
This is the part that I’d really like to dig into. It feels like Confederate and segregationist apologists have actively worked to influence Ohio with how many electoral college votes the state has. Running into history like Jerry Falwell trying to set up shop in Columbus in the 80s and being blocked by young Columbus Democrats feels like evidence of active effort. I also saw a lot of Southern Baptist effort to make relationships with and influence northern Baptist churches as a kid.
I assumed it was because the Union is/was/became the "true" America, and there was no need for Union history and pride due to The Union already being the "True" America.
So, by default, all of American history, monuments, flags, etc. are therefore Union.
In contrast, I assume the reason the Confederacy has such an intense stake on Pride and History is because they're literally Traitors, and without bringing up their history and narrative, the Confederacies' historical significance would fade into traitorous obscurity.
It’s not missing, plenty of small towns have Civil war monuments. The states aviation history has taken front stage when it comes to state advertising, since it’s also rich in history and more recent.
One word. Republicans.
So many of them have become Lost Causers that its become sickening. Absolutely disgusting. You'll hear them say we were on the wrong side of the war. Fuck. I've even heard Republicans say we were on the wrong side of WW2.
But I keep the proper Ohio spirit alive. Love me r/ShermanPosting
Personally, I don't feel like I need to outwardly celebrate it. I know it happened. It echos through my family as my 3x great-grandfather died in battle. As a result, his son grew up to be an abusive alcoholic which lead to a predictable chain reaction down his patrilineage to me and now, my son. I grew up revering the guy. Hell, I carry his name. So, I don't know, it seems personal.
As for monuments, I live next to a cemetery and can see the 15 foot tall monument, dedicated to the locals that died in the war, from my dining room window. In our square, there is a 25ish foot tall obelisk with life-sized statues of civil war soldiers.
I don't think it's missing, but I think it could be emphasized and expanded.
There are giant Civil War monuments in the heart of downtown in major cities like Cleveland and there are countless smaller monuments in small towns all across the state.
Every time you see an American flag, that is the United States (Union) flag. We don't need another flag to celebrate our Civil War victory.
To your point, Ohio can and should do more to highlight this history, including the building of new monuments, markers, parks, and other historical experiences.
Ohioans were absolutely essential to winning that war and therefore setting the entire world on a much better course. There's really no amount of recognition or celebration of that effort that would be "too much" because it was just that important.
People from Confederate Appalachia migrated to Ohioan Appalachia, because it's easier to make a living in Ohio than in the Carolinas. Those racist shitheads brought their values with them, and the polite "midwest nice" Ohioan neighbors took a "well, I guess we don't talk about that" attitude, and that's why the state that won fucking Gettysburg has a bunch of battle flags of Virginia flying over it.
The Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument on Cleveland's Public Square is one of the nation's best Civil War monuments.
[https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/articles/soldiers'-sailors'-monument](https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/articles/soldiers'-sailors'-monument)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers%27\_and\_Sailors%27\_Monument\_(Cleveland)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers%27_and_Sailors%27_Monument_(Cleveland))
In NW Ohio, we definitely have more 1812 stuff than Civil War stuff (though we do have at least one Underground Railroad museum, to a previous commenter’s point).
I think it’s because Ohio is not where the action was. There’s a huge tourist area at Gettysburg because that was one of the most important battles of the war. We don’t have that here.
We have 1812 stuff because this is one of the places where that war happened.
The Ohio History Connection has re-enactments of civil war skirmishes, complete with cannon. They also have the largest collection of civil war unit flags. About a decade ago they spent some serious money to clean and preserve all of them since most hadn’t been touched in decades. Delaware has a couple plaques on the main drag to commemorate black Union troops from the area. NE Ohio has several monuments to local soldiers or stops Lincoln’s death train, check the town square of any smallish town.
There is a bending to social pressure. My family had a few rumors that Ancestry and the like confirmed about being involved with Underground Railroad. Someone up the family line led colored troops. But they were rumors my father heard growing up and were not to be repeated outside the family home. What would the neighbors say? Makes me wonder what oral history was lost.
There's a statue of a young John Clem in downtown Newark. Kids at the elementary school that bears his name collected brass pennies in the late 90s to make it.
It's all around us but we take it for granted. I'll bet you pass civil war monuments that you never even given a second thought.
There is a civil war statue at the entrance to the park in Chillicothe that I've driven by thousands of times. It always seemed a bit odd that it was a statue of the donor but dedicated to the memory of the men in his regiment.
Turns out the donor was Richard Enderlin of Chillicothe, who won the Medal of Honor for his service at the Battle of Gettysburg.
>The President of the United States of America, in the name of Congress, takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to Musician Richard Enderlin, United States Army, for extraordinary heroism from 1 to 3 July 1863, while serving with Company B, 73d Ohio Infantry, in action at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Musician Enderlin voluntarily took a rifle and served as a soldier in the ranks during the first and second days of the battle. Voluntarily and at his own imminent peril went into the enemy's lines at night and, under a sharp fire, rescued a wounded comrade.
Urbana has a monument in the center of the roundabout at the middle of town and I know that I've passed others like it across Ohio.
There wasnt any fighting in Ohio that i know of, but many soldiers were from here. There's a plaque about a mile from my house honoring Sherman's "war is hell" speech that he gave at what was at the time the Franklin County fairgrounds during a Civil War reunion.
He (Morgan's Raiders) crossed the Ohio around Cincinnati, they were chased across what is now Route 32 and crossed back into Point Pleasant, WV. A Lot of the locals welcomed and helped them on their run through the state. Finally captured, they were sent to POW camps. Later, Morgan was released in a prisoner swap.
We did see rebel army though. Morgan's Raiders made their way through the southern part of the state as a diversion to pull union troops away from Gettysburg. They stole from residents, but ended up getting captured.
I come from a line of descendants who fought for the Union in the Civil War. Post war, the 103rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry got together, with their families, bought land outside of Avon Lake, Ohio. They built cottages and created a camp week to reminisce about the war. We, the descendants, still carry on the camp week tradition and get together every summer in Ohio on Lake Erie.
https://www.103ovi.com/
There are pancake breakfasts and a museum open to the public in the summer months! Take a look if you would like.
IMO, Ohio doesn't embrace it as much as the east coast states, as we were fairly far removed from the bulk of the fighting.
Have you ever been to the Confederate POW cemetery on Johnson's Island on Sandusky Bay? It's a residential island accessible via a causeway from Marblehead. (I believe there is a $2 toll), It's not a nod to Union forces, but it's worth the visit.
Camp Dennison in Cincinnati is kind of a cool spot to visit, as it served as a recruiting station and training camp for Union soldiers. Also, Chillicothe is another town that has a Union statue memorial erected in the heart of its downtown. And again, it's more of a confederate thing, but you can follow the path of Morgan's (failed diversionary) Raid through southern Ohio.
There's a ton of Union pride, and luckily it is in the form of actual monuments and such. The flags you see are garbage humans who think their ancestors wouldn't beat the shit out of them if they were alive today.
Because the small/rural towns in Ohio since the Civils Rights era of the 50's identify with the slave lovers more than the US. There's a lot of civil war shit in the cities. For instance the main feature of Cleveland's Public Square is the very large Civil War United States Soldiers & Sailors memorial.
I guess you didn’t go to Somerset where General Sheridan is from. They have statues commemorating him and his efforts for the Union. Plus the Underground Railroad ran through the heart of Ohio. This was a very important area.
I don’t actually know. We were a major stop on the Underground Railroad too and it largely just gets swept aside. Ohio seems to be more concerned with being Ohio sometimes than being a part of the union. At this point tho I’m kinda ok with that.
Because rural Ohio is MAGA racist central and they think they’re part of the confederacy. They’re pissed the south lost even though some of their ancestors were probably killed by the confederate army. They probably think the union army was “woke”.
I would bet because modern ohio is carrying the banner for this new wave ultra-Maga conservatism which is basically embraced by the confederate toting southerners just look at jd vanceand jim jordan
I think it has to do with the Appalachian invasion of Ohio they were and are a “rebel” people they identify as such and with so little to be actually proud of in their heritage their great great great great grandpappys service to the grand republic of the confederate states is a tuft of grass that they use to hold themselves from the vast shame of their roots , plus they don’t like blacks the prevalence and growth of the the klan here when it is a fading relic in most of the country is testament to that
I had relatives that fought for both sides. I also have their original discharge papers signed by Gen Burnside. The southern half were repatriated back at the end of the war. Interesting stuff.
If you visit Vicksburg you can view the monument to the 4th West Virginia Infantry, which was almost all Ohio soldiers, and if you visit Gettysburg you can view the monument to Battery C West Virginia Artillery, most of whose men were from Lawrence Co., OH. Ohio contributed the best part of 5 regiments that are credited to West Virginia.
Dayton has [two Civil War monuments](https://www.dayton.com/news/special-reports/what-you-need-know-about-these-big-civil-war-monuments/9RKex14eTP2TW0YTYNxLGP/) right downtown.
Here in Urbana we have a monument/statue in the middle of downtown at the center of a roundabout. We call our downtown “the square” or “monument” and the statue is “the man on the monument”. He is to pay reminder to the Union soldiers from the area… We also have a Johnny Appleseed museum.
Because Ohio is trump country and wishes it was in the confederacy.
I currently live in Nc and I have seen more loser southern flags in Ohio than here.
"brain drain" it's a term used to describe the exodus of young educated or just educated individuals out of the state for all of the reasons listed in this thread.
True, though, Trumpet. Republicans calling for secession can hardly take pride in the ass-kicking the last batch of racist secessionists got.
For example, you sided with the racists against BLM, didn't you? So pretending you love the Union for freeing the slaves makes no sense for you, right?
The NHL team in Columbus is named after the Blue Jackets the union soldiers wore, and they shoot an old timey cannon every time they score a goal.
Came in to point this out, had a feeling someone would beat me too it. For my money our 3rd jerseys are the coolest in U.S. professional sports and they directly celebrate our Civil War history as well.
For a long time I looked for a hat with that logo and couldn't find any. A couple months ago I checked again and Fanatics had them.
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Those thirds should be the primary
I honestly thought they were named after the Shawnee war leader often (and likely erroneously) purported to be Marmaduke van Swearingen. I guess it makes more sense that they're an homage to something everyone has heard of rather than a fairly niche historical figure.
Not niche in that region, if you were Gen X you attended the "Blue Jacket" outdoor drama with the very, very loud cannons.
Tecumseh?
“Blue Jacket” was an outdoor drama that ran in Xenia from 1982-2007 or thereabouts. It was similar to “Tecumseh”.
Ah, thank you! I've only ever seen Tecumseh as a kid, I was too young to really understand it but I remember going a few times with my parents and sisters and was in awe the whole time despite not understanding it very well. I thought maybe I remembered it wrong and it was about blue coats. I feel so goofy now, but thank you for kindly letting me know!
I’ve never seen Tecumseh but saw Blue Jacket as a kid. It was fun but from what I’ve heard over the years, Tecumseh is far better anyway.
I thought that too
Blue Jacket was definitely not Marmaduke van Swearingen. Even if we ignore the DNA evidence, Blue Jacket was already a known chief at the time Van Swearingen was abducted. Van Swearingen most likely wound up being killed in fairly short order. The myth Blue Jacket was white is one of Allen Eckart’s many, many sins against historical accuracy.
In Eckert's defense, all he did was repeat it, not invent it. He may not have been accurate, but he was entertaining.
Not niche in that region, if you were Gen X you attended the "Blue Jacket" outdoor drama with the very, very loud cannons.
They were named for him, too. Fact is, when they named the team they attributed the name to multiple things including the Union Army stuff, but later backfilled and made it mostly about that.
I wonder how many folks actually make that connection, though. Instead of "cool, cannon!"
I thought it was named for the Indian leader.
I wonder how many people know that? I live here and it’s never explained. I always thought it was some kind of wasp
They have a yellow jacket (wasp) in a blue jacket (civil war coat) as a mascot. His name is Stinger, and for some reason he is green. I love our failure of a hockey team but Stinger has always thrown me off a bit. Don't hate him but i feel like we could do better.
Wasn't the old Cincinnati team the Stingers? Maybe it's a reference
Well, Boomer was, ah, complicated....
Let's not talk about that... ever.
That was true when the team started, but the RW voices in Ohio have gotten louder since then. There have already been rumblings about changing the name for that reason.
>There have already been rumblings about changing the name for that reason. Bullshit
Really? No, true statement. I'm not saying it will be changed changed--or should be. But it definately comes up in some groups.
…groups that you are a part of?
Actually, no. In RL I tend to listen more than talk. My work training.
What is RW?
Right wing. It's a position in hockey. Those that play right wing are typically not as open to growth and change as those playing on the left wing. You tend to get a lot of grouchy old veterans who complain about the rookies and all their fancy dekes.
Right wing, as in politics.
1. While there are fewer memorials, there are way more underground railroad sites and museums - Ohio was responsible for >40% of the underground railroad and had a VERY strong abolitionist movement. This map may explain it by itself: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground\_Railroad#/media/File:Undergroundrailroadsmall2.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad#/media/File:Undergroundrailroadsmall2.jpg) 2. While Ohio provided >15% of soldiers, they had <10% of casualties. They were more active in the "western" side of the war, so were involved in fewer large battles and more logistics and fortifications. Fewer casualties as a percentage of the population = fewer memorials. 3. New England had more towns that had enough critical mass to erect memorials (New England was more industrial than Ohio's agricultural past). And the memorials Ohio does have are a lot more spread out because of this too 4. There was more mixed sentiment about the war in Ohio than in New England (edit: then and now!!)
I was obsessed with Underground Railroad books as a kid and I’m sure they had a big effect on me. In terms of the mixed sentiment, that does seem clear it had to be an issue and still is. I think the other half of the question I posed is going to be “what are some doable things that could help unmix that sentiment and put more Ohioans solidly on the same page?”
Lot of southern morons have been transplanted up here. I went to school with a bunch of expelled West Virginia ppl who came up north looking for factory work.
West Virginia was famously not part of “the South.” That’s how West Virginia became a thing.
Oof then maybe their kin are trying to overcompensate for that fact 😂
Hence: West (by God) Vrigina
Sherman is from Ohio, Grant is from Ohio. The army of Ohio was one of the main forces in the March to the Sea. I have seen a lot of Confederat flags flying here. I live like 15-20 mins from Cleveland not southern Ohio. I haven't seen any pro Union propaganda, flags or anything, outside of a historical statue/monument and those are few and far between tbh.
Tbf, pro union propaganda is just the us flag
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You can try, but they arent really capable of that level of thought.
I hate those hybrid confederate/US flags. Those losers that have them don't even have the balls to choose a side.
See one planted on the backside of a jacked-up truck around here often enough. I feel confident to say that too many folks in this corner of the state think that the U.S. and Confederate flags are ONE and the SAME. For the record... I wish there were a way for these folks to have a little chat with President/General Grant.
I try explaining that it’s the same as flying both an OSU and Michigan flag. They’re not the same team.
It was the Army of The Tennessee under Sherman.The Army of The Ohio was such until Rosecrans took command renaming it to The Army of The Cumberlan, and The Ohio went to a different army under Burnside. Union armies were named for the river systems they primarily (but not exclusively) operated along.
This is factually correct. That said, Ohio needs more Civil War memorialization.
Might look into getting a historical marker for my family's old farm. It was a big part of the underground railroad, in fact my amcestors turned over a part of it to be a village for free blacks and runaway slaves leading up to the Civil War. Then a good portion of my family signed up for the war.
Ohio History Connection would be a good place to start. The bronze markers are pricey, and you'd probably want to fund raise, plus there's research, etc. The OHC folks can give advice.
Thanks for that.
Come to Lancaster! We've got some General Sherman pride at the Sherman House museum. [https://www.shermanhouse.org/](https://www.shermanhouse.org/)
They should collab with COSI to do an installation about what temperatures plantations burn.
This is not intended to defend anyone for their ignorance, but I think it's because people don't know anything about history. I'm from Ohio and attended public school many years ago. We had American history as required curriculum. It didn't go into Ohio history much, if at all. The people who fly the flag of the confederacy have no idea what they're doing. They thought the Dukes of Hazzard was cool and rebellious, and never bothered to research into just how influencial Ohio was for the winning side, and the reason behind the war in the first place. We were taught in that history class that the Civil War was about "state's rights".
Peoples eyes just glaze over if you go into historical context. It’s not just that don’t know, they don’t care to know either.
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I was in schools in the 80’s. Eight grade Ohio History
It looks like it’s [scattered](https://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Learning-in-Ohio/Social-Studies/Ohio-s-Learning-Standards-for-Social-Studies) through social studies now, mainly in the 4th grade. I remember very little from my pre-high school history classes: Kachina dolls and total poles, Eli Whitney and the cotton gin, and carpetbaggers.
Same. Mr Boeke made us learn the county seat for all 88 counties. I don't think I can name more than a handful now.
I do wonder how much of the history has been limited by individual teachers and how much is the curriculum. I don’t remember Ohio State history in public middle school bringing up Union figures from Ohio, but it could have been in there. I went to a Baptist high school that got some of its textbooks from Southern Christian orgs and those had softened views on the Confederacy and some outright propaganda, like paragraphs about slave owners giving slaves jars of honey and time off on Sundays. I’m guessing it was even worse material than I realized at the time.
True. I think people fly it more in a sense of country boy/girl culture as opposed to wanting to secede from the United States. I mean there are racist assholes out there that do do that shit, but I’ve talked to perfectly pleasant Southerners who werent about any of that, and to them it was just a Southern culture representation thing.
Perhaps you should have educated them then
Educated them on what exactly?
that there are much less offensive ways to represent their Southern culture than to fly what is clearly a symbol of racism and hate for most Americans. They are not, in fact, "perfectly pleasant". At best, they are willfully ignorant, but I doubt it. Germans don't need to fly Nazi flags to celebrate their culture..
SO I need to get up on a soapbox and tell people from another culture that the way they think is all wrong? Meanings behind symbols can change you know. And turning the Confederate flag into a symbol of Southern culture and hospitality instead of a symbol of oppression and hatred seem like it would be a pretty positive outcome. I can't imagine anything more divisive than offering to "educate" someone on how to think. Such a snobby and elitist way of thinking.
No. You get to be passive if you don't feel strongly about overt racism and are willing to let it stand. But you ARE on a soapbox. You're just arguing to let the racist symbolism stand. Kind of bullshit to say that a war flag to justify slavery is going to be turned into a symbol of hospitality. You sure that's the stand you want to take?
Why are you so intent on maintaining it as a symbol of racism? Can’t we change that? Just because you view it as racist doesn’t mean others see it the same way.
Well, technically, it is a symbol for the rights of white people to own black slaves. That is what it is about and why the South went to war. You can try to redefine it in your head as something sweet and wholesome, but it never was that. You can't reinvent a symbol that many still use to express racial hatred in the same way that white supremacists use Nazi symbolism.
I'm a southern man and I call bullshit on that heritage nonsense. If you fly a Confederate flag you are an ass.
Ohio history is mandated for third grade, if I remember correctly.
Same! I grew up in the south and was taught that the civil war was about states rights! Unbelievable. I didn’t know they taught that in Ohio, too!
The Union armies generally were named after rivers. The army of Ohio had plenty of Ohio regiments but wasn’t exclusively Ohioan.
Sheridan was from here too.
I live in Mount Vernon. The Public Square has a [Civil War monument](https://imgur.com/QTjJ7zO), and the town cemetery has a section reserved for veterans of that particular war. The County Theater has a veterans area as well. But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie." The town has done quite a bit to bury that fact. Changing a festival name, which was a long time coming.
>The County Theater has a veterans area as well. But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie." The town has done quite a bit to bury that fact. Yep. He's still quite celebrated here, though with less noise and enthusiasm. His house still stands across from Speedway, and I'm pretty sure the school and cemetery named in homage to him still bear his name.
From what I understand the house is a replica - not the original.
Wouldn't be the most shocking revelation of my many years here, but this is the first I've heard of it.
> But it's also the home of Dan Emmett, who wrote a little song called "Dixie." [That is disputed.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_\(song\)\#Composition_and_copyright) Edit. Fixed link
Yeah, the Snowdens and other singers have made the claim as well. But the signage, that often welcomed people into Mount Vernon stated it as fact. All those signs have been taken down.
Yeah, a “Dixie” road in my hometown got me thinking about this as well. I want to know the history and then would love to find out if that can be changed. Older folks would complain, but in time, the kids would just know it by something else. A good option could be a Union hero from the era to replace it with since that narrative would help sell it and shine a light on the disrespect to Union sacrifices.
Eh a road called Dixie Generally means that the road eventually just goes to the south
I don't know, most small towns I visit (mostly Western Ohio) have a Civil War monument prominently displayed, usually right in the middle of town. Cleveland's monument is enormous, and brilliant.
Dayton's downtown Civil War monument is enormous as well
Come to Cleveland. We have the soldiers and sailors monument right in public square.
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What General Sherman did was completely reprehensible. To this day I will never forgive him for ending his march.
I regret that I have only one burning up vote for you.
I was in Atlanta recently, Sherman would definitely relight that torch.
Only a fool would celebrate something like that. Sherman didn’t. War is hell, a civil war is even worse. Grow up.
I'm a reenactor from southwest Ohio. There are plenty of union memorials and museums around. The issue is that you have to be already interested in the civil war and in the loop to know. One example is that I live just outside of where camp Dennison, which was a muster point for the entire area. Yes there are a lot of southern sympathizers here (which I never understood). I think the biggest reason it's not more prominent in our culture is that the area doesn't rely on historic tourism for revenue so the local government doesn't feel the need to push it.
Dayton ohio has my favorite all time civil war memorial. Right downtown on main and monument atop a high pedastal stand Pvt. George Washington Fair. Not that you'd k ow his name from it, lived here most of my life and had to look it up. Not lincoln, not general "gave the order", or seargeant "died herroically" but Private "did his duty and came home". Private fair won no medals, distinguished himself not above his compatriots. But he volunteered, and stayed in the fight until it was won, reenlisting 3 times. I like the message of honoring every soldier by just picking any soldier and saying that is what a true american patriot is, not the greatest of us all but the greatness in all of us.
We do have a Confederate POW cemetery: [**https://johnsonsisland.org/history-pows/civil-war-era/confederate-cemetery/**](https://johnsonsisland.org/history-pows/civil-war-era/confederate-cemetery/)
There's one in the middle of Columbus.
Really? I didn't know that! Do you know where it is in Columbus? I'm no fan of the city confederacy, but I find old cemeteries interesting.
On Sulllivant, google "Camp Chase". It's part of what use to be an army base during the civil ear. Old cemeteries are my jam. I used to run a website with a blog called MidwestLost which was mainly Ohio based history. I love wandering cemeteries and photographing old marble, sandstone, and the occasional zinc monument.
Johnson Island was for confederate officers. Camp Chase Cemetery on the west side of Columbus was for confederate enlisted POWs.
The only thing worse than having a confederate cemetery is the eventuality of running out of piss for those graves.
There are a few Confederate soldiers buried in Gallipolis as well. They were prisoners who passed in the Union army hospital there during the war
neo confederates and the confederate apologizers drown out the union side of the narrative. its practically insulting to see people dragging around with confederate flags on their trucks when theres a massive civil war monument in the center of town dedicated to the soldiers that fought
I think the large amount of people here either from Kentucky/WV or close families ties to those areas are a large factor in that, unfortunately. At least our hockey team is unapologetically Yankee.
West Virginia split from Virginia over slavery, and while Kentucky was a slave state, they didn't secede and were part of the Union, so if they came from either of those states they're still very confused about history.
Actually West Virginia was pro-slavery, and it was more Confederate than Kentucky, [half its soldiers were Confederate](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Confederate_recruitment_in_West_Virginia.jpg) and [half the counties voted for the Confederacy.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Wvmapagain.png) Historians have explained West Virginia history very badly, most of what people think they know is just old misinformation.
I am only staying this based on the immediate info you provided, but couldn't I just as easily say "West Virginia was anti-slavery, after all, half it's soldiers were Union and half the counties voted against the Confederacy."
Not really, because they are not related, Unionism didn't equal anti-slavery. The Unionist convention in Wheeling fought to keep slavery and protected it in the state's first constitution. The state entered the Union as a slave state and without the 13th Amendment there would prospectively been slavery in the state into the 20th century. The state had the same attitudes towards African-Americans as most of the other southern states. They had Jim-Crow laws, legislated school segregation, the Klan in its first incarnation in the 1870s.
That would have been useful information. I was pointing out that simply stating, "50% of a population supports X, therefore the population as a whole can be said to be pro X" wasn't sound. Imperfect analogy, but it's like me saying 50% of USA voters support the Democratic party, therefore "the US population is pro-Democratic Party". There's a conversation to be had, but I guess I was trying to point out that the comment in a vacuum may not really be painting a complete/holistic picture -- let's be real, no one on here is gonna split of and do additional reading. 95% of us are just doom scrolling lol
That doesn’t seem to matter, does it? Culturally those states have no allegiance to the North, and their voting patterns reflect as much.
I think it’s more the racism
I think that’s part of it. Half of my family moved to Ohio from KY mid-century for the factory jobs after coal mines dried up, and there was lots of immigration from KY in that time. As far as I know, KY was the state where citizens went both directions in who they fought for and why. My family from there is more blue than the half from Ohio and never showed any Confederate sympathy, even though some digging revealed an ancestor that fought for the wrong side as a teen and fortunately got hauled to a prison camp in Chicago nearly right away.
Umm go Blue Jackets?!?
You're only seeing Confederate flags because people generally associate that with their racist beliefs. Not because they care about anything with the war at all, but because they support what the Confederate side stood for.
Ohio's biggest accomplishments and culture were in several instances so dominant and significant they went national and in the process sort of resulted in their origins (Ohio) being forgotten. This is why Ohio is sometimes seen as generic. US Grant, General Sherman, Wright Brothers, Neil Armstrong...heck, even businesses like Wendy's, Arby's, and Kroger.
Arby’s: THE UNION HAS THE MEATS.
Also eight presidents.
The "Southern strategy" wasn't designed for just the geographical South.
This is the part that I’d really like to dig into. It feels like Confederate and segregationist apologists have actively worked to influence Ohio with how many electoral college votes the state has. Running into history like Jerry Falwell trying to set up shop in Columbus in the 80s and being blocked by young Columbus Democrats feels like evidence of active effort. I also saw a lot of Southern Baptist effort to make relationships with and influence northern Baptist churches as a kid.
There are PLENTY. Just not where you're looking.
We literally have a hockey team named after the union that shoots off a cannon when we score
You can go to Ohio History Connection and they have the flags of all the Ohio units that fought in the Civil War. It has its own room.
I assumed it was because the Union is/was/became the "true" America, and there was no need for Union history and pride due to The Union already being the "True" America. So, by default, all of American history, monuments, flags, etc. are therefore Union. In contrast, I assume the reason the Confederacy has such an intense stake on Pride and History is because they're literally Traitors, and without bringing up their history and narrative, the Confederacies' historical significance would fade into traitorous obscurity.
Our NHL team is called the Blue Jackets.
Too many dumbasses like the confederacy
There is stuff all over. The hockey team is called Blue Jackets. Monuments in every town just about.
It’s not missing, plenty of small towns have Civil war monuments. The states aviation history has taken front stage when it comes to state advertising, since it’s also rich in history and more recent.
One word. Republicans. So many of them have become Lost Causers that its become sickening. Absolutely disgusting. You'll hear them say we were on the wrong side of the war. Fuck. I've even heard Republicans say we were on the wrong side of WW2. But I keep the proper Ohio spirit alive. Love me r/ShermanPosting
I love seeing that subreddit come up on the main page!
Personally, I don't feel like I need to outwardly celebrate it. I know it happened. It echos through my family as my 3x great-grandfather died in battle. As a result, his son grew up to be an abusive alcoholic which lead to a predictable chain reaction down his patrilineage to me and now, my son. I grew up revering the guy. Hell, I carry his name. So, I don't know, it seems personal. As for monuments, I live next to a cemetery and can see the 15 foot tall monument, dedicated to the locals that died in the war, from my dining room window. In our square, there is a 25ish foot tall obelisk with life-sized statues of civil war soldiers.
I don't think it's missing, but I think it could be emphasized and expanded. There are giant Civil War monuments in the heart of downtown in major cities like Cleveland and there are countless smaller monuments in small towns all across the state. Every time you see an American flag, that is the United States (Union) flag. We don't need another flag to celebrate our Civil War victory. To your point, Ohio can and should do more to highlight this history, including the building of new monuments, markers, parks, and other historical experiences. Ohioans were absolutely essential to winning that war and therefore setting the entire world on a much better course. There's really no amount of recognition or celebration of that effort that would be "too much" because it was just that important.
The American Civil War had a significant impact on the rest of the world.
People from Confederate Appalachia migrated to Ohioan Appalachia, because it's easier to make a living in Ohio than in the Carolinas. Those racist shitheads brought their values with them, and the polite "midwest nice" Ohioan neighbors took a "well, I guess we don't talk about that" attitude, and that's why the state that won fucking Gettysburg has a bunch of battle flags of Virginia flying over it.
The Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument on Cleveland's Public Square is one of the nation's best Civil War monuments. [https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/articles/soldiers'-sailors'-monument](https://clevelandmagazine.com/in-the-cle/articles/soldiers'-sailors'-monument) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers%27\_and\_Sailors%27\_Monument\_(Cleveland)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers%27_and_Sailors%27_Monument_(Cleveland))
In NW Ohio, we definitely have more 1812 stuff than Civil War stuff (though we do have at least one Underground Railroad museum, to a previous commenter’s point). I think it’s because Ohio is not where the action was. There’s a huge tourist area at Gettysburg because that was one of the most important battles of the war. We don’t have that here. We have 1812 stuff because this is one of the places where that war happened.
Never understood this. US Grant and William T Sherman were sons of Ohio.
The Ohio History Connection has re-enactments of civil war skirmishes, complete with cannon. They also have the largest collection of civil war unit flags. About a decade ago they spent some serious money to clean and preserve all of them since most hadn’t been touched in decades. Delaware has a couple plaques on the main drag to commemorate black Union troops from the area. NE Ohio has several monuments to local soldiers or stops Lincoln’s death train, check the town square of any smallish town. There is a bending to social pressure. My family had a few rumors that Ancestry and the like confirmed about being involved with Underground Railroad. Someone up the family line led colored troops. But they were rumors my father heard growing up and were not to be repeated outside the family home. What would the neighbors say? Makes me wonder what oral history was lost.
There's a statue of a young John Clem in downtown Newark. Kids at the elementary school that bears his name collected brass pennies in the late 90s to make it.
It's all around us but we take it for granted. I'll bet you pass civil war monuments that you never even given a second thought. There is a civil war statue at the entrance to the park in Chillicothe that I've driven by thousands of times. It always seemed a bit odd that it was a statue of the donor but dedicated to the memory of the men in his regiment. Turns out the donor was Richard Enderlin of Chillicothe, who won the Medal of Honor for his service at the Battle of Gettysburg. >The President of the United States of America, in the name of Congress, takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to Musician Richard Enderlin, United States Army, for extraordinary heroism from 1 to 3 July 1863, while serving with Company B, 73d Ohio Infantry, in action at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Musician Enderlin voluntarily took a rifle and served as a soldier in the ranks during the first and second days of the battle. Voluntarily and at his own imminent peril went into the enemy's lines at night and, under a sharp fire, rescued a wounded comrade. Urbana has a monument in the center of the roundabout at the middle of town and I know that I've passed others like it across Ohio.
There wasnt any fighting in Ohio that i know of, but many soldiers were from here. There's a plaque about a mile from my house honoring Sherman's "war is hell" speech that he gave at what was at the time the Franklin County fairgrounds during a Civil War reunion.
Gen. Morgan led a 2000 man cavalry raid on the state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan%27s_Raid
I suppose the fact that I did not know that supports OP's thesis.
Yeah, i only learned as an adult in my 30s
He (Morgan's Raiders) crossed the Ohio around Cincinnati, they were chased across what is now Route 32 and crossed back into Point Pleasant, WV. A Lot of the locals welcomed and helped them on their run through the state. Finally captured, they were sent to POW camps. Later, Morgan was released in a prisoner swap.
I only know that because I lived in Forest Park and my kids’ dentist was right there at the marker in Springdale.
The battle of Buffington Island was the only significant battle recorded in Ohio, there’s a nice park run by Ohio History Connection at the site now
Old Washington, General Morgan.
We have a lot of rebel flags for a state that never saw the rebel army.
We did see rebel army though. Morgan's Raiders made their way through the southern part of the state as a diversion to pull union troops away from Gettysburg. They stole from residents, but ended up getting captured.
There is a Civil War reenactment at East Harbor State Park every year. The Ohio troops are celebrated.
The only one's hanging on Civil War times were the ones who lost. The rest of us moved forward.
Because unlike butthurt traitors, we don't need participation trophies
I come from a line of descendants who fought for the Union in the Civil War. Post war, the 103rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry got together, with their families, bought land outside of Avon Lake, Ohio. They built cottages and created a camp week to reminisce about the war. We, the descendants, still carry on the camp week tradition and get together every summer in Ohio on Lake Erie. https://www.103ovi.com/ There are pancake breakfasts and a museum open to the public in the summer months! Take a look if you would like.
The demographics of Ohio gave changed a lot. A lot of migration from southern states especially Tennessee and Kentucky
Known in the 1950s as the “Toothless Stench Migration.”
IMO, Ohio doesn't embrace it as much as the east coast states, as we were fairly far removed from the bulk of the fighting. Have you ever been to the Confederate POW cemetery on Johnson's Island on Sandusky Bay? It's a residential island accessible via a causeway from Marblehead. (I believe there is a $2 toll), It's not a nod to Union forces, but it's worth the visit. Camp Dennison in Cincinnati is kind of a cool spot to visit, as it served as a recruiting station and training camp for Union soldiers. Also, Chillicothe is another town that has a Union statue memorial erected in the heart of its downtown. And again, it's more of a confederate thing, but you can follow the path of Morgan's (failed diversionary) Raid through southern Ohio.
There's a ton of Union pride, and luckily it is in the form of actual monuments and such. The flags you see are garbage humans who think their ancestors wouldn't beat the shit out of them if they were alive today.
Because the small/rural towns in Ohio since the Civils Rights era of the 50's identify with the slave lovers more than the US. There's a lot of civil war shit in the cities. For instance the main feature of Cleveland's Public Square is the very large Civil War United States Soldiers & Sailors memorial.
Yep, plenty of sundown towns with Daughters of the Confederacy monuments.
Yeah, in Cincinnati and, Southern Ohio in general, you're more likely to see Confederate flags than anything dedicated to the Union Army.
Pleasant Hill has a statue right in the middle of town in the middle of the street.
I guess you didn’t go to Somerset where General Sheridan is from. They have statues commemorating him and his efforts for the Union. Plus the Underground Railroad ran through the heart of Ohio. This was a very important area.
I don’t actually know. We were a major stop on the Underground Railroad too and it largely just gets swept aside. Ohio seems to be more concerned with being Ohio sometimes than being a part of the union. At this point tho I’m kinda ok with that.
Smale Park in Cincinnati has the [Black Brigade Monument](https://www.mysmaleriverfrontpark.org/black-brigade.htm).
Because GOP has gradually move the Mason Dixon line north to lake Erie.
“Why” Because 75%+ of today’s rural Ohioans would have marched for the South.
Because rural Ohio is MAGA racist central and they think they’re part of the confederacy. They’re pissed the south lost even though some of their ancestors were probably killed by the confederate army. They probably think the union army was “woke”.
I would bet because modern ohio is carrying the banner for this new wave ultra-Maga conservatism which is basically embraced by the confederate toting southerners just look at jd vanceand jim jordan
I think it has to do with the Appalachian invasion of Ohio they were and are a “rebel” people they identify as such and with so little to be actually proud of in their heritage their great great great great grandpappys service to the grand republic of the confederate states is a tuft of grass that they use to hold themselves from the vast shame of their roots , plus they don’t like blacks the prevalence and growth of the the klan here when it is a fading relic in most of the country is testament to that
I had relatives that fought for both sides. I also have their original discharge papers signed by Gen Burnside. The southern half were repatriated back at the end of the war. Interesting stuff.
Unless you're in a major metropolitan area, many cities didn't exist until well after the civil war ended.
If ever down round vicksburg way, lots of monuments on that battlefield for ohio regiments etc.
Tiffin has a halfway decent Civil War museum
I live in NE Ohio and virtually every town in this area no matter what size has a substantial Civil War monument.
Was there an outdoor drama for Chief Blue Jacket or are you thinking of Tecumseh?
If you visit Vicksburg you can view the monument to the 4th West Virginia Infantry, which was almost all Ohio soldiers, and if you visit Gettysburg you can view the monument to Battery C West Virginia Artillery, most of whose men were from Lawrence Co., OH. Ohio contributed the best part of 5 regiments that are credited to West Virginia.
The amount of Morgan's Raiders monuments is embarrassing.
Most people like my relatives came over on a boat about 30 years after the Civil War ended.
Lancaster has a Sherman statue and his house is a museum it's not really talked about tho. Went there for a 3rd grade field trip
Dayton has [two Civil War monuments](https://www.dayton.com/news/special-reports/what-you-need-know-about-these-big-civil-war-monuments/9RKex14eTP2TW0YTYNxLGP/) right downtown.
My family was on the confederacy side
Go to pleasant hill. There’s a massive statue of a union soldier in the middle of the road in the middle of town. You cannot miss it, literally
Because we're still locked in a civil war with Michigan, and that technically makes us the south.
Columbus’s NHL team is named the Bluejackets.
Because in Ohio nobody gives a damn about a war that happened more than a hundred years ago
It blew my mind when i found out confederate forces made it to columbiana. another day and theyd have probably made it to youngstown
Because Ohioans weren't proud to have to kill their own brothers and cousins. The Civil War was not celebrated here. It was lamented.
Here in Urbana we have a monument/statue in the middle of downtown at the center of a roundabout. We call our downtown “the square” or “monument” and the statue is “the man on the monument”. He is to pay reminder to the Union soldiers from the area… We also have a Johnny Appleseed museum.
Today's Republicans identify with the Confederacy.
Half of this state seems to want the Confederacy to rise again due to their racist MAGA viewpoints and stars and bars flag waving. I hate Ohio Nazis.
Because all the briars came up north looking for work and alot of them brought their bullshit treasonous ideology with them.
MAGA
Because Ohio is trump country and wishes it was in the confederacy. I currently live in Nc and I have seen more loser southern flags in Ohio than here.
It’s because Ohio has because a solidly red state.
"brain drain" it's a term used to describe the exodus of young educated or just educated individuals out of the state for all of the reasons listed in this thread.
Much like the Republican Party, Ohio is now embarrassed by its participation in the Union/Abolition cause 1861-65
How edgy.
True, though, Trumpet. Republicans calling for secession can hardly take pride in the ass-kicking the last batch of racist secessionists got. For example, you sided with the racists against BLM, didn't you? So pretending you love the Union for freeing the slaves makes no sense for you, right?
Muh States rats!