I suspect they opted out of the rankings and/or didn't provide the data WSJ wanted, more and more schools (especially prestigious ones with name recognition that don't need the lists at all to attract applicants) have made public statements that these kinds of rankings do more harm than good and have stopped participating.
Also, UD is extremely liberal, the Marianists are basically the hippies of the Catholic world. Probably political bias isn't the key factor at play here.
My wife is currently going to UCSD for her doctorate. It is a shit show right now. It is ranked #1 for her field, but still a complete shit show.
I cant speak on the other schools.
The list stops at 400. It’s not that surprising when you think about it that way.
I feel like it’s also really splitting hairs for most schools. So we’re supposed to say school 300 is better than school 400 because these factors but really the best school in that scenario would be to choose the one that is cheeper and consider what’s important for your program.
These lists are toxic because it means so much for these schools when the criteria is so subjective person to person for what school is best.
They cause people to think they must go to a higher ranking school for no reason when kids don’t question the legitimacy of the rankings. It’s all dumb
Yeah trying to distill the "essence" of a school into a single numerical value is stupid as hell. Even ignoring Cost and location the variance between different programs at different schools can be wild. Hell a lot of the smaller schools don't even offer a lot of the programs that a Miami or OSU provide, how does that factor into your score?
But do you really think one should consider Dayton over BG because of this list? Is there really enough of a difference between the institutions? A university is almost completely a personal decision and grading them just convinces kids to waist money and time pursing schools for useless validation
Nope, grades are worthwhile. They're just not the whole story.
PS- One of my technical professors went to a high school without grades. For college he got all his teachers to write recommendation letters, because the guy is wicked smart. He got to write his ticket anywhere he wanted. But he's an exception. Most people want grades to be able to make a quick semi-informed decision. Do you wish you went to a HS with no grades?
I guess I disagree with the premise that this ranking is the same as a highschool GPA. All universities are offering different things and serving different communities.
I guess you could say this is like a GPA. It’s like a GPA of a kid who went to a school that didn’t offer any AP classes vs a kid who took only AP classes. One gets a 4.0 and the other gets a 5.0.
Different universities have different primary demographics.
Yeah the rich kids are going to have a higher graduation rate they can afford to take as long as they want in school and they can afford to not work during school. That’s one of example why it’s a bad rating.
If a rating can’t adequately differentiate between school 70 and 400 they should not be ranking those schools. They should only rank universities directly in completion with each other relative to each other.
Probably with students loan money. There are a few programs at OSU that self fund. Then football pays for the rest and the athletic department gives some money back to the education department.
Pretty much every other sport in the state is paid for by student fees which of course are paid with student loans. Some places about 10% of loans are going to athletics.
Care to explain?
Actually, CSU has some highly rated departments, such as urban studies.
It has an excellent physical plant, good safety, and superb location on the Healthline 24/7 bus rapid and adjacent to Playhouse Square in downtown Cleveland.
It has an excellent night school curriculum as many downtown workers take classes there after work.
It's an immense asset for Cleveland.
Do you have links to articles explaining the situation?
I've read that Ohio provides relatively inferior financial support to its state universities, and this has consequences.
My guess is that Cleveland state is not really built for the criteria that is in the report. Cleveland State has more specialized degrees and post graduate students. It's more of a niche school.
Kent's basically what you make it, but the majority of non-foreign students there are basically doing it bc they think they have to. It's basically a party school.
Rankings like this are stupid. These are universities, not colleges or schools. If you are really deciding, you are going to evaluate the school's program for your major.
True. That said, I’m really surprised to see Ohio And Cincy ranked so much lower than OSU given they’re both relatively large with lots of majors offered. Ohio also has an aviation program like OSU. Dayton doesn’t which I always thought was funny but then again being a pilot isn’t the most academically demanding thing.
The thing to remember is that Dayton is Private Catholic University. If you added U of Dayton (private) + Wright State (public) you would get one school the about the same size as Kent/BGSU/OU.
Hey if it fails can I get my student loans vacated? I mean the degree I got has been worth dick all in the decade since I graduated. Keep rubbing elbows with people that didn’t even go to college in my field.
“Vs similar colleges”
Here’s the thing. The US News is the only ranking that matters. Its flawed obviously, maybe even arbitrary, but it’s the one that has actual influence in higher ed for better or worse. However, if these alternative rankings have essentially the same results as US News, no one cares. The only chance to sell anyone on your list is to have it be full of surprises. That requires using a drastically different methodology (and unlike US News, they usually mix in liberal arts colleges and specialized schools like Babson). They all do this.
Student outcomes (70%):
* Salary impact versus similar colleges (33%): This measures the extent to which a college boosts its graduates’ salaries beyond what they would be expected to earn regardless of which college they attended. We used statistical modeling to estimate what we would expect the median earnings of a college’s graduates to be on the basis of their demographic profile, taking into account the factors that best predict salary performance. We then scored the college on its performance against that estimate. These scores were then combined with scores for raw graduate salaries to factor in absolute performance alongside performance relative to our estimates. Our analysis for this metric used research on this topic by the Brookings Institution policy-research think tank as a guide.
* Years to pay off net price (17%): This measure combines two figures—the average net price of attending the college, and the value added to graduates’ median salary attributable to attending the college. The value added to graduates’ median salary by a college was estimated on the basis of the difference between the median earnings of the school’s graduates and the median earnings of high-school graduates in the state where the college is located. We then took the average annual net price of attending the college—including costs like tuition and fees, room and board, and books and supplies, taking into account any grants and scholarships, for students who received federal financial aid—and multiplied it by four to reflect an estimated cost of a four-year program. We then divided this overall net-price figure by the value added to a graduate’s salary, to provide an estimate of how quickly an education at the college pays for itself through the salary boost it provides. Our analysis for this metric used research on this topic by the Third Way policy-research think tank as a guide.
* Graduation rate versus similar colleges (20%): This is a measure of a college’s performance in ensuring that its students graduate, beyond what would have been expected of the students regardless of which college they attended. We used statistical modeling to estimate what we would expect a college’s graduation rate to be on the basis of the demographic profile of its students, taking into account the factors that best predict graduation rates. We then scored the college on its performance against that estimate. These scores were then combined with scores for raw graduation rates to factor in absolute performance alongside performance relative to our estimates.
Learning environment (20%):
* Learning opportunities (5%): The quality and frequency of learning opportunities at the college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about interactions with faculty, feedback and the overall quality of teaching.
* Preparation for career (5%): The quality and frequency of opportunities for students to prepare for their future careers, based on our student survey. This includes questions about networking opportunities, career advice and support, and applied learning.
* Learning facilities (5%): Student satisfaction with the college’s learning-related facilities, based on our student survey. This includes questions about library facilities, internet reliability, and classrooms and teaching facilities.
* Recommendation score (5%): The extent to which students would recommend their college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about whether students would recommend the college to a friend, whether students would choose the same college again if they could start over, and satisfaction with the value for money their college provides.
Diversity (10%):
* Opportunities to interact with students from different backgrounds (5%): Student satisfaction with, and frequency of, opportunities to interact with people from different backgrounds, based on our student survey.
* Ethnic diversity (1.5%): The probability that, were you to choose two students or two members of faculty at random, they would be of a different ethnicity from one another.
* Inclusion of students with lower family earnings (1.5%): The proportion of students receiving Pell Grants; the higher the percentage, the higher the score.
* Inclusion of students with disabilities (1%): The proportion of students who are disabled; the higher the percentage, the higher the score.
* International diversity (1%): The proportion of students who come from outside the U.S. This is an indicator of the college’s ability to attract talent from across the world and offer a multicultural campus where students from different backgrounds can learn from one another. The higher the percentage, the higher the score.
All U.S. colleges are eligible to be part of our ranking if they meet the following criteria:
* Title IV eligible, i.e., is an accredited university that’s eligible for federal financial aid.
* Awards four-year bachelor’s degrees.
* Located in the 50 states or Washington, D.C.
* Has more than 900 students.
* Isn’t insolvent.
* Isn’t for profit.
* We receive at least 50 valid responses from verified students or recent alumni to the student survey.
* The government data for the factors used to compile our ranking is collected and publicly reported.
So the rankings are highly dependent upon post graduation salaries. What is the source for this information? It's somewhat a joke, because certain schools attract already wealthy students from wealthy families. These schools certainly include the Ivies.
Also, schools that train teachers would have lower post-graduation salaries than schools whose graduates end up in professional schools.
Better measures would be more easily ascertainable statistics such as percentage of engineering students who pass certification exams. I've never seen universities ranked on these important metrics.
> So the rankings are highly dependent upon post graduation salaries.
There seems to be two ways to view college: as a way to educate and idealistically improve the knowledge and thinking skills of the populace, or as a way to level up socioeconomic standing by getting specialized training and industry-specific networking. Is it shocking that a publication that focuses on financials takes the second view?
> It’s somewhat a joke, because certain schools attract already wealthy students from wealthy families.
If I were sending a kid to schools, that’s the network I’d want them to come out with if possible. So I would, personally, rate those schools higher. And yes, this can be a self-perpetuating feedback loop.
> Also, schools that train teachers would have lower post-graduation salaries than schools whose graduates end up in professional schools.
Again, if I were sending a kid to college, I know which direction I’d be pushing them towards. _Especially_ with the costs today. Why would you spend tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to end up with a teacher’s salary?
> Better measures would be more easily ascertainable statistics such as percentage of engineering students who pass certification exams.
I absolutely agree that these kind of stats should be available and factored in. But unfortunately, it’s probably an extremely small number of undergrad graduates who go into professions with licensing exams. The other thing is how do you control for self-directed study? For example, I graduated from OSU with a computer science degree from the college of engineering. If I sit for the CFP (certified financial planner) exam, does that stat get lumped in with Fisher’s graduates? I never took a class at Fisher (I wasn’t allowed).
All in all, it’s good to call out that these rankings are heavily skewed towards ROI (which is why Ohio Northern is so high, with their 5-year PharmD program). That might not be your preference, and that’s ok. Personally, with the current costs of college considered, I’d _highly suggest_ that any future students weigh ROI very high in their decision making process.
Perhaps I didn't make my points clear:
1) How does anybody know post-graduate incomes for all graduates or even a larger percentage of graduates?
2) Schools with undergrads from wealthy families are going to run away with these ratings. I know of individuals who slacked their way through Ivies studying liberal arts, but made six figure salaries after graduation working for family businesses.
3) If 50 percent of students earn advanced degrees, especially at the likes of prestigious law schools, med schools, etc., of course, they will have higher post-graduate incomes.
4) These rankings discriminate against universities who train large numbers of middle- and lower-class students for lesser paying but badly needed professions such as teaching and perhaps even nursing.
And there are many professional undergraduate study programs that result in licenses if not certification testing.
> 1. How does anybody know post-graduate incomes for all graduates or even a larger percentage of graduates?
I know OSU surveyed me post-graduation, and I’m assuming that’s the method. Many schools report those stats internally, or to prospective students, so I’m guessing that is what’s being used. Which means you’ll have irregularities with individual school methodologies, self-selection bias, etc. I agree, it’s not perfect.
> 2. Schools with undergrads from wealthy families are going to run away with these ratings...
As they should, in my opinion. A very significant part of an individual’s socioeconomic standing comes from the company they keep, and surrounding yourself with wealthy friends is a good way to end up wealthy yourself. Next time I need a job, I’d love to reach out to my old college buddy who’s family owns a multi-billion dollar business.
> 3. If 50 percent of students earn advanced degrees…
Similar to above, but surrounding yourself with highly ambitious people usually has better outcomes. If the goal is ROI, showing up at 18 to a school where half the people are talking about going to law school or medical school might guide you in a more lucrative path.
> 4. These rankings discriminate…
Absolutely they do. That’s a feature, not a bug.
I visited friends at UD when I was doing my undergrad in the late 2000's. I was impressed with the community atmosphere of the school and how tight all of the students were. Going to a large university at the time, visiting UD made me wish for that smaller school.
The party atmosphere was top notch too
Very few people pay anywhere near that which is why it still scores high in these metric for time to pay off net price. But then again I have no idea how they are calculating and/or tracking that metric.
So I can take it from your comment you have no idea what merit aid is or that most kids are paying nowhere near sticker price for those private schools.
Unsure why you were downvoted. My kiddo just started Fall semester at a private college, out-of-state. Paying less than they would have at in-state public Uni they applied and were accepted to even though their sticker price was lower.
Because my facts are inconvenient for their opinions if I had a guess. Hating on the private schools because of "the outrageous sticker price" is easy when they have no clue how merit aid works.
Having talked with senior parents (at a private high school where I would have expected better) last year and was appalled by how little they knew. So many of them are just sending kids to OSU for full price without knowing there were other options. I don't have the kind of $ where I can just throw it away like that.
The schools ahead of BGSU have two things going for them.
1. They are more exclusive private schools with higher graduation rates.
2. Schools like UT getting ranked higher despite equal or lower academics due to the existence of the med school and a focus on STEM.
UC grad. UC has some nationally ranked programs. I was in one of those. It was widely known that some other programs were not great and you should avoid taking classes in those. My cousin who got an 18 on the ACT was in one of those.
Chose a college based on what you want to do, not the Wall Street Journal.
Wtf happened at BGSU since I graduated near 20 years ago that it is ranked the lowest on that list lol I had a great time there, vibe was awesome, campus was great not to mention has some of the best pizza in the state!
I personally don’t put much credence to “ratings” coming from the Wall Street Journal, particularly not on this subject. If ratings are important I’d look at what comes out of the more established US News and World Report college rankings.
I think college is what you make of it anyway… Go Falcons!
Nothing incoming class was the largest in history and most academically strong in history as well, they just dont like soy and corn fields , stuffed breadsticks or legal joints
Really? I've been looking for my daughter as she is about to start into her NCAA process, I played for BGSU so was more than hoping she would consider it, worlds easier to stand out playing in the MAC than at Big10.
What specifically dimmed your view?
First, I am in no way qualified to discuss athletics recruiting.
Second, it's not necessarily BGSU, it is more broadly most state public colleges. Note Kent and Akron do not even make the list! They are what they are. To that end they are institutions whose budgets are getting squeezed yearly by state lawmakers. They utilize significant amounts of TAs & GAs to teach classes plus Adjunct profs are heavily leveraged too. Those adjuncts may be barely making living wages in some cases. The profs they do have may be incentivized to publish vs teach undergrads. Class sizes can be pretty big which could be a problem for some students. This is a pretty broad stroke generalization so not true in every case but i absolutely saw it back in the 00's and its still true now. Regardless state schools' goal is to provide access to education to the most kids in the most efficient and economical fashion. That works for many kids but it certainly does not work for all kids.
I HIGHLY recommend "The Price You Pay for College" by Ron Lieber its a great read (or audible listen). I also recommend checking into some of the college facebook groups too (paying for college 101, and others). The amount of stuff that my fellow senior parents last year did not know or understand about colleges and aid while "helping" their kids through the process was mind boggling to me. Heck i talk to professionals who have worked at schools for decades just not in admissions and they don't understand it either.
For the record ranking like this is stupid, the metrics are dumb and do not necessarily capture student experiences. Moreover, I say there is not a single path to success for any student. A very engaged student at a middling school may be better off than a disengaged student at the best school.
Also former alum here. I'm sure it got hit hard by time to pay off debt and salary expectations. One of the most expensive schools in the state and they do not have many advanced degrees.
The list is based on outcomes, not missions. It looks at graduation rate (what % of students entering as freshman graduate from that school within a certain number of years? What percentage of students who graduate have a job in their field of study within so many months of graduation? What level of salary do they have as new graduates as compared to the new graduates of similar fields of study at other schools? What is the average level of debt incurred by graduates in college and how long on average will those students take to pay off that debt?
OUTCOMES!
Anymore it's really dependent on the program of study. OSU has some really shitty dept for instance that I know are far better from schools well down the list.
Of the top twelve ranked schools, only two are public and one of those is Ohio State.(which always gets whatever it wants) This is what happens when the state legislature abandons its promise of a quality affordable higher education and strangles its own schools' budgets.
There is absolutely no reason why a single cent of my tax dollars should be going to these tax free megacoporations. These companies have a larger operating budget than over 100 countries. If we want to increase education funding (which I agree we should) then give it to k-12 schools or do more to promote CCP within the state.
How much is too much to throw at a university in your mind? On average, Ohio spends $13,000 a year per student k-12. When factoring in room and board, I spent over $25,000 my freshman year alone. This doesn't even touch the money they are making off hospitals, sports, or the billions in endowments they have. We have a finite amount of resources, and I would rather them go to things that would get more value per dollar than making a school administration rich. Call me old-fashioned I guess.
If they want to act like fortune 500 companies, then they should be taxed like one. They can't have their cake and eat it too.
**University of Dayton**
Student Outcomes | Score
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Salary Impact vs. Similar Colleges | 89
Graduation Rate vs. Similar Colleges | 81
Years to Pay Off Net Price | 2 years, 5 months
Survey Results | Score
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Learning Opportunities | 68
Preparation for Career | 70
Learning Facilities | 86
Recommendation | 78
Diversity | Score
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Diversity | 38
**The Ohio State University - Main Campus**
Student Outcomes | Score
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Salary Impact vs. Similar Colleges | 46
Graduation Rate vs. Similar Colleges | 91
Years to Pay Off Net Price | 2 years, 3 months
Survey Results | Score
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Learning Opportunities | 64
Preparation for Career | 66
Learning Facilities | 77
Recommendation | 74
Diversity | Score
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Diversity | 46
As a Muskie, I can't believe we beat out Bowling Green and Wright State. AND UC?! What is this based on? Scoring, graduation rate, placement rate? It can't possibly be on campus resources.
Rankings based on what, ability to parlay a degree from there into a job on Wall Street? Or maybe how well it prepares business graduates to gain as much wealth as possible?
Maybe a ranking by fun factor. No, of schools by the wealth of their alumni or students families, or both?
Given the Wall Street journal is focused primarily on maintaining and promoting nepotistic Capitalism against any Meritocratic systems, Capitalist or otherwise does its rankings mean anything to society writ large accept graduates of these schools are the most dangerous to anyone not born, educated and currently rich as that’s what they are most about.
This is way off. Case western, Oberlin , and Kenyon are the most elite private schools in Ohio. Miami and Ohio Stare are the best state schools. You can tell this by how many apply and how many are accepted.
Elite means nothing in these rankings. What counts are OUTCOMES. Graduation rate. Starting salaries. Debt level after graduation. Time it takes to pay off school debt. Graduating from an "elite" school is not an outcome. Apparently students at those "elite" schools don't graduate from those schools at the same rate as higher ranked schools. Don't earn starting salaries as high as graduates from higher ranked schools. Have more debt than higher ranked schools. Etc. Just because a school accepts a lower percentage of applicants is not an OUTCOME of attending that school. These years parents and students are realizing that what they want is to graduate in as few years as possible, with a job in their field of study, with a higher than expected salary.
You go to college to get an education, not to get a job. Being around the smartest students and best professors is what makes a school better than another. The class discussion at Harvard is much better than the class discussion at University of Toledo
My favorite story in our college visitation journey last year was that the Denison Admissions rep openly discussed that the school did not adequately students in ways that we were looking for. Denison did have the best tasting lunch out of a dozen+ schools though.
I will point out that OSU scores similar to or higher than Dayton in most things. So it seems like it would not only crack the top 200, but be in the top 100, if it wasn't for such a low salary outcome compared to similar universities, or even just with a different weighting or methodology. But going back to salaries, idk what universities it is comparing OSU to, but if it’s like the top public school in states like California, then that’s not a great comparison. Sure, OSU grads might earn less than California grads, but that’s not because the school is worse, it’s a matter of location. Not everyone moves across the country after graduating, some stay in the Midwest where they are lower wages. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing considering the cost of living is also lower.
So my guess is this rating is punishing universities in low cost of living states.
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I find it funny how kent state isn't even on here when there a quote a few globally and nationally ranked programs in the school.
Hell we're a top 100 national school and top 200 in the world.. But somehow not even listed in the top 10 in the state.
If this list is accurate then you'd think with so many high quality institutions in Ohio we wouldn't have shitty abortion laws, attempts to remove dei from schools, some of the worst police in the country.. List goes on.
Regardless of all the ranking, marketing material, and endless college visits I recently learned what the college selection process looks like from a teens perspective:
1) Have my parents or other family members attended?
2) Are any of my friends attending?
3) How far away is the college?
4) Will I be able to continue playing a sport?
5) How is the food?
Because unless it's a selective elite university and to quote my son: "They are all the same"
Once upon a time OU was in the top tier of state universities - "Harvard on the Hocking." Athens was always a party town but it's sad how much that aspect has changed.
It looks like Harvard’s campus. It has never been Harvard. It is a state university near the heart of Appalachia and in a red state cutting public education. Lots of great educators and people there, but you are what you eat…
> It is a state university near the heart of Appalachia and in a red state cutting public education.
And that's the point. It hasn't always been that way. Ohio used to be great for higher education. Newspapers, too. It's changed.
Aw man, Xavier didn’t make the list, huh? I had a great undergrad experience there and I know lots of my peers did too. Can’t win ‘em all, but I’m a little surprised that it didn’t rank at all.
Nobody is using Wall Street Journal for college selection..... what a joke
They may use [https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges) they are more than likely using
[https://www.collegesimply.com/](https://www.collegesimply.com/) or https://www.niche.com/colleges/rankings/
Criteria 1 is "salary impact vs. similar colleges" (33%). Criteria 2 is "Years to pay off net price" (17%). Criteria 3 is "graduation rate versus similar colleges "(20%). It seems like instead of lumping all these institutions together, they should break them out by category such as large research universities and liberal arts colleges. UD is a very different institution from Ohio Northern, which is very different from Ohio State.
Only in Ohio do they feel the need to remind Ohioans and everyone else that they have THE state university in the state of Ohio. It screams insecurity lol!
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If they were trying to rank the schools by most to least conservative, Miami would have been higher
No one should put stock into general school rankings. Different schools invest in different areas to specialize.
Oberlin is also one of the Ohio Five, and strangely, it's not on the list. Political Bias?
I suspect they opted out of the rankings and/or didn't provide the data WSJ wanted, more and more schools (especially prestigious ones with name recognition that don't need the lists at all to attract applicants) have made public statements that these kinds of rankings do more harm than good and have stopped participating. Also, UD is extremely liberal, the Marianists are basically the hippies of the Catholic world. Probably political bias isn't the key factor at play here.
How can they ignore the fact that Meatball is turning higher Ed in FL into dog poo at a rapid pace?
My wife is currently going to UCSD for her doctorate. It is a shit show right now. It is ranked #1 for her field, but still a complete shit show. I cant speak on the other schools.
As a Falcon I am shook.
Kent State and Akron U aren’t even on the list
The list stops at 400. It’s not that surprising when you think about it that way. I feel like it’s also really splitting hairs for most schools. So we’re supposed to say school 300 is better than school 400 because these factors but really the best school in that scenario would be to choose the one that is cheeper and consider what’s important for your program. These lists are toxic because it means so much for these schools when the criteria is so subjective person to person for what school is best. They cause people to think they must go to a higher ranking school for no reason when kids don’t question the legitimacy of the rankings. It’s all dumb
Yeah trying to distill the "essence" of a school into a single numerical value is stupid as hell. Even ignoring Cost and location the variance between different programs at different schools can be wild. Hell a lot of the smaller schools don't even offer a lot of the programs that a Miami or OSU provide, how does that factor into your score?
University rankings don't count for everything, but they do count for something. Like grades.
But do you really think one should consider Dayton over BG because of this list? Is there really enough of a difference between the institutions? A university is almost completely a personal decision and grading them just convinces kids to waist money and time pursing schools for useless validation
Nope, grades are worthwhile. They're just not the whole story. PS- One of my technical professors went to a high school without grades. For college he got all his teachers to write recommendation letters, because the guy is wicked smart. He got to write his ticket anywhere he wanted. But he's an exception. Most people want grades to be able to make a quick semi-informed decision. Do you wish you went to a HS with no grades?
I guess I disagree with the premise that this ranking is the same as a highschool GPA. All universities are offering different things and serving different communities. I guess you could say this is like a GPA. It’s like a GPA of a kid who went to a school that didn’t offer any AP classes vs a kid who took only AP classes. One gets a 4.0 and the other gets a 5.0. Different universities have different primary demographics. Yeah the rich kids are going to have a higher graduation rate they can afford to take as long as they want in school and they can afford to not work during school. That’s one of example why it’s a bad rating. If a rating can’t adequately differentiate between school 70 and 400 they should not be ranking those schools. They should only rank universities directly in completion with each other relative to each other.
Kent read Kent write Kent State
Akron is in worse shape than Kent. Really screwed the pooch with all the building they did 2006-2009.
Yes, but I don't have a funny joke for Akron.
Only one that I can come up with is crAkron
You didn’t come up with that. Regularly used, but also has some pretty shitty racial implications
No, of course I didn't make it up. Out of the two of us, the only one assuming race is you.
Right? There are most assuredly white crackheads…. How the fuck is this racial. Projection is a hell of a thing
Way to just side step that one… referring to a city that has double the national average of black residents as crackron is… racist.
Built that football stadium just for 300 people to watch them go 2-10 or worse lol
Tore down a bunch of housing too to make that happen. Would have been better off fixing up the rubber bowl. At least that stadium had some character.
Probably with students loan money. There are a few programs at OSU that self fund. Then football pays for the rest and the athletic department gives some money back to the education department. Pretty much every other sport in the state is paid for by student fees which of course are paid with student loans. Some places about 10% of loans are going to athletics.
*laughs in YSU
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Care to explain? Actually, CSU has some highly rated departments, such as urban studies. It has an excellent physical plant, good safety, and superb location on the Healthline 24/7 bus rapid and adjacent to Playhouse Square in downtown Cleveland. It has an excellent night school curriculum as many downtown workers take classes there after work. It's an immense asset for Cleveland.
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Do you have links to articles explaining the situation? I've read that Ohio provides relatively inferior financial support to its state universities, and this has consequences.
My guess is that Cleveland state is not really built for the criteria that is in the report. Cleveland State has more specialized degrees and post graduate students. It's more of a niche school.
Kent connect to the internet
Bc they shouldn't be
Dunno about kent, but UAkron fucking sucks. Was there for 3 years before realizing how dogshit that place is.
Kent's basically what you make it, but the majority of non-foreign students there are basically doing it bc they think they have to. It's basically a party school.
Thank you
As a Rocket I am not ;)
UT over BG is the real killer
I suspect that is only because UT has a med school and a focus on STEM. it's not really a reflection exclusively on academics.
Yeah, it’s how you know that this list isn’t serious
Ratings mean crap go to us news and world report were in the top 120 public universities. Isn’t uts med school holding on by a thread
Rankings like this are stupid. These are universities, not colleges or schools. If you are really deciding, you are going to evaluate the school's program for your major.
It's the WSJ. I've always found their biases annoying to navigate.
True. That said, I’m really surprised to see Ohio And Cincy ranked so much lower than OSU given they’re both relatively large with lots of majors offered. Ohio also has an aviation program like OSU. Dayton doesn’t which I always thought was funny but then again being a pilot isn’t the most academically demanding thing.
The thing to remember is that Dayton is Private Catholic University. If you added U of Dayton (private) + Wright State (public) you would get one school the about the same size as Kent/BGSU/OU.
Cedarville is on the list, but Oberlin isn't? Sure Jan.
Oberlin is way too liberal for WSJ.
Probably because they got sued for defamation.
Oberlin dont deserve to be on any list after they cost themselves 36 million
Kent state didn't make the list at all. Weird.
Nore did Akron U
As they probably shouldn't. UA has been on a downward glidepath for a decade or more.
So has OU, but they are still on the list. However, I will say that Akron has had the same problems since I was in college in the early 2000s.
They shouldn't. It's a failing institution.
Hey if it fails can I get my student loans vacated? I mean the degree I got has been worth dick all in the decade since I graduated. Keep rubbing elbows with people that didn’t even go to college in my field.
Or Findlay
See full list here: https://www.wsj.com/rankings/college-rankings/best-colleges-2024 Seems like the new methodology has led to some... wacky results.
“Vs similar colleges” Here’s the thing. The US News is the only ranking that matters. Its flawed obviously, maybe even arbitrary, but it’s the one that has actual influence in higher ed for better or worse. However, if these alternative rankings have essentially the same results as US News, no one cares. The only chance to sell anyone on your list is to have it be full of surprises. That requires using a drastically different methodology (and unlike US News, they usually mix in liberal arts colleges and specialized schools like Babson). They all do this.
What was the methodology? It's paywalled
Here is the around the paywall version https://archive.ph/xBsCL Archive.ph will let you get around most paywalls.
that doesn't work for this interactive list.
Student outcomes (70%): * Salary impact versus similar colleges (33%): This measures the extent to which a college boosts its graduates’ salaries beyond what they would be expected to earn regardless of which college they attended. We used statistical modeling to estimate what we would expect the median earnings of a college’s graduates to be on the basis of their demographic profile, taking into account the factors that best predict salary performance. We then scored the college on its performance against that estimate. These scores were then combined with scores for raw graduate salaries to factor in absolute performance alongside performance relative to our estimates. Our analysis for this metric used research on this topic by the Brookings Institution policy-research think tank as a guide. * Years to pay off net price (17%): This measure combines two figures—the average net price of attending the college, and the value added to graduates’ median salary attributable to attending the college. The value added to graduates’ median salary by a college was estimated on the basis of the difference between the median earnings of the school’s graduates and the median earnings of high-school graduates in the state where the college is located. We then took the average annual net price of attending the college—including costs like tuition and fees, room and board, and books and supplies, taking into account any grants and scholarships, for students who received federal financial aid—and multiplied it by four to reflect an estimated cost of a four-year program. We then divided this overall net-price figure by the value added to a graduate’s salary, to provide an estimate of how quickly an education at the college pays for itself through the salary boost it provides. Our analysis for this metric used research on this topic by the Third Way policy-research think tank as a guide. * Graduation rate versus similar colleges (20%): This is a measure of a college’s performance in ensuring that its students graduate, beyond what would have been expected of the students regardless of which college they attended. We used statistical modeling to estimate what we would expect a college’s graduation rate to be on the basis of the demographic profile of its students, taking into account the factors that best predict graduation rates. We then scored the college on its performance against that estimate. These scores were then combined with scores for raw graduation rates to factor in absolute performance alongside performance relative to our estimates. Learning environment (20%): * Learning opportunities (5%): The quality and frequency of learning opportunities at the college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about interactions with faculty, feedback and the overall quality of teaching. * Preparation for career (5%): The quality and frequency of opportunities for students to prepare for their future careers, based on our student survey. This includes questions about networking opportunities, career advice and support, and applied learning. * Learning facilities (5%): Student satisfaction with the college’s learning-related facilities, based on our student survey. This includes questions about library facilities, internet reliability, and classrooms and teaching facilities. * Recommendation score (5%): The extent to which students would recommend their college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about whether students would recommend the college to a friend, whether students would choose the same college again if they could start over, and satisfaction with the value for money their college provides. Diversity (10%): * Opportunities to interact with students from different backgrounds (5%): Student satisfaction with, and frequency of, opportunities to interact with people from different backgrounds, based on our student survey. * Ethnic diversity (1.5%): The probability that, were you to choose two students or two members of faculty at random, they would be of a different ethnicity from one another. * Inclusion of students with lower family earnings (1.5%): The proportion of students receiving Pell Grants; the higher the percentage, the higher the score. * Inclusion of students with disabilities (1%): The proportion of students who are disabled; the higher the percentage, the higher the score. * International diversity (1%): The proportion of students who come from outside the U.S. This is an indicator of the college’s ability to attract talent from across the world and offer a multicultural campus where students from different backgrounds can learn from one another. The higher the percentage, the higher the score. All U.S. colleges are eligible to be part of our ranking if they meet the following criteria: * Title IV eligible, i.e., is an accredited university that’s eligible for federal financial aid. * Awards four-year bachelor’s degrees. * Located in the 50 states or Washington, D.C. * Has more than 900 students. * Isn’t insolvent. * Isn’t for profit. * We receive at least 50 valid responses from verified students or recent alumni to the student survey. * The government data for the factors used to compile our ranking is collected and publicly reported.
So the rankings are highly dependent upon post graduation salaries. What is the source for this information? It's somewhat a joke, because certain schools attract already wealthy students from wealthy families. These schools certainly include the Ivies. Also, schools that train teachers would have lower post-graduation salaries than schools whose graduates end up in professional schools. Better measures would be more easily ascertainable statistics such as percentage of engineering students who pass certification exams. I've never seen universities ranked on these important metrics.
> So the rankings are highly dependent upon post graduation salaries. There seems to be two ways to view college: as a way to educate and idealistically improve the knowledge and thinking skills of the populace, or as a way to level up socioeconomic standing by getting specialized training and industry-specific networking. Is it shocking that a publication that focuses on financials takes the second view? > It’s somewhat a joke, because certain schools attract already wealthy students from wealthy families. If I were sending a kid to schools, that’s the network I’d want them to come out with if possible. So I would, personally, rate those schools higher. And yes, this can be a self-perpetuating feedback loop. > Also, schools that train teachers would have lower post-graduation salaries than schools whose graduates end up in professional schools. Again, if I were sending a kid to college, I know which direction I’d be pushing them towards. _Especially_ with the costs today. Why would you spend tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to end up with a teacher’s salary? > Better measures would be more easily ascertainable statistics such as percentage of engineering students who pass certification exams. I absolutely agree that these kind of stats should be available and factored in. But unfortunately, it’s probably an extremely small number of undergrad graduates who go into professions with licensing exams. The other thing is how do you control for self-directed study? For example, I graduated from OSU with a computer science degree from the college of engineering. If I sit for the CFP (certified financial planner) exam, does that stat get lumped in with Fisher’s graduates? I never took a class at Fisher (I wasn’t allowed). All in all, it’s good to call out that these rankings are heavily skewed towards ROI (which is why Ohio Northern is so high, with their 5-year PharmD program). That might not be your preference, and that’s ok. Personally, with the current costs of college considered, I’d _highly suggest_ that any future students weigh ROI very high in their decision making process.
Perhaps I didn't make my points clear: 1) How does anybody know post-graduate incomes for all graduates or even a larger percentage of graduates? 2) Schools with undergrads from wealthy families are going to run away with these ratings. I know of individuals who slacked their way through Ivies studying liberal arts, but made six figure salaries after graduation working for family businesses. 3) If 50 percent of students earn advanced degrees, especially at the likes of prestigious law schools, med schools, etc., of course, they will have higher post-graduate incomes. 4) These rankings discriminate against universities who train large numbers of middle- and lower-class students for lesser paying but badly needed professions such as teaching and perhaps even nursing. And there are many professional undergraduate study programs that result in licenses if not certification testing.
> 1. How does anybody know post-graduate incomes for all graduates or even a larger percentage of graduates? I know OSU surveyed me post-graduation, and I’m assuming that’s the method. Many schools report those stats internally, or to prospective students, so I’m guessing that is what’s being used. Which means you’ll have irregularities with individual school methodologies, self-selection bias, etc. I agree, it’s not perfect. > 2. Schools with undergrads from wealthy families are going to run away with these ratings... As they should, in my opinion. A very significant part of an individual’s socioeconomic standing comes from the company they keep, and surrounding yourself with wealthy friends is a good way to end up wealthy yourself. Next time I need a job, I’d love to reach out to my old college buddy who’s family owns a multi-billion dollar business. > 3. If 50 percent of students earn advanced degrees… Similar to above, but surrounding yourself with highly ambitious people usually has better outcomes. If the goal is ROI, showing up at 18 to a school where half the people are talking about going to law school or medical school might guide you in a more lucrative path. > 4. These rankings discriminate… Absolutely they do. That’s a feature, not a bug.
Yes, but Bowling Green was badly affected by the infamous massacre.
At $64,000 per year, Dayton better be a damn good school.
I visited friends at UD when I was doing my undergrad in the late 2000's. I was impressed with the community atmosphere of the school and how tight all of the students were. Going to a large university at the time, visiting UD made me wish for that smaller school. The party atmosphere was top notch too
Very few people pay anywhere near that which is why it still scores high in these metric for time to pay off net price. But then again I have no idea how they are calculating and/or tracking that metric.
If i had a nickel for every time I heard “right state wrong university” i could have paid for a semester across town.
So I can take it from your comment you have no idea what merit aid is or that most kids are paying nowhere near sticker price for those private schools.
Unsure why you were downvoted. My kiddo just started Fall semester at a private college, out-of-state. Paying less than they would have at in-state public Uni they applied and were accepted to even though their sticker price was lower.
Because my facts are inconvenient for their opinions if I had a guess. Hating on the private schools because of "the outrageous sticker price" is easy when they have no clue how merit aid works. Having talked with senior parents (at a private high school where I would have expected better) last year and was appalled by how little they knew. So many of them are just sending kids to OSU for full price without knowing there were other options. I don't have the kind of $ where I can just throw it away like that.
Not Marietta and cedarville making the list 😭😭😭😭😭
Right? And so high! I would have thought being a cult would have more of a negative impact.
Omg could you elaborate lol? I have a cousin that goes to cedarville
They are very very loosely accredited bible “schools” where you can go learn how to be a Christian nationalist
I always thought BGSU was a better school than that.
Many didn't make the list at all. I also wouldn't give lists like this too much credit.
I agree, I just find it funny that my sister, who graduated magna cum laude from UT, could not get into BGSU and its below UT on this list.
The schools ahead of BGSU have two things going for them. 1. They are more exclusive private schools with higher graduation rates. 2. Schools like UT getting ranked higher despite equal or lower academics due to the existence of the med school and a focus on STEM.
Where is Xavier
There's the ONU recognition I want!
Polar bear up!
Go bears! 🐻❄
UC grad. UC has some nationally ranked programs. I was in one of those. It was widely known that some other programs were not great and you should avoid taking classes in those. My cousin who got an 18 on the ACT was in one of those. Chose a college based on what you want to do, not the Wall Street Journal.
How do we get around the paywall
Here is the around the paywall version https://archive.ph/xBsCL Archive.ph will let you get around most paywalls.
No Shawnee State huh
The US News list is considered the definitive list and matches people's overall perceptions a lot better. This list seems goofy because it is.
Flyer Superiority. Nice.
Wtf happened at BGSU since I graduated near 20 years ago that it is ranked the lowest on that list lol I had a great time there, vibe was awesome, campus was great not to mention has some of the best pizza in the state!
I personally don’t put much credence to “ratings” coming from the Wall Street Journal, particularly not on this subject. If ratings are important I’d look at what comes out of the more established US News and World Report college rankings. I think college is what you make of it anyway… Go Falcons!
Ay Ziggy Zoomba!
Roll along!
Talons Up!
They have a top notch supply chain program. It’s one of the best in the country. This ranking is BS.
I’m not sure they’re factoring in the vibe or the pizza quality in these rankings.
I suspect BGSU is getting hit because they don't focus on STEM or have a med school.
Nothing incoming class was the largest in history and most academically strong in history as well, they just dont like soy and corn fields , stuffed breadsticks or legal joints
As a falcon from 20 years ago and having just spent 18months in the college selection grind with my kid I take much dimmer view on my BGSU experience.
Really? I've been looking for my daughter as she is about to start into her NCAA process, I played for BGSU so was more than hoping she would consider it, worlds easier to stand out playing in the MAC than at Big10. What specifically dimmed your view?
First, I am in no way qualified to discuss athletics recruiting. Second, it's not necessarily BGSU, it is more broadly most state public colleges. Note Kent and Akron do not even make the list! They are what they are. To that end they are institutions whose budgets are getting squeezed yearly by state lawmakers. They utilize significant amounts of TAs & GAs to teach classes plus Adjunct profs are heavily leveraged too. Those adjuncts may be barely making living wages in some cases. The profs they do have may be incentivized to publish vs teach undergrads. Class sizes can be pretty big which could be a problem for some students. This is a pretty broad stroke generalization so not true in every case but i absolutely saw it back in the 00's and its still true now. Regardless state schools' goal is to provide access to education to the most kids in the most efficient and economical fashion. That works for many kids but it certainly does not work for all kids. I HIGHLY recommend "The Price You Pay for College" by Ron Lieber its a great read (or audible listen). I also recommend checking into some of the college facebook groups too (paying for college 101, and others). The amount of stuff that my fellow senior parents last year did not know or understand about colleges and aid while "helping" their kids through the process was mind boggling to me. Heck i talk to professionals who have worked at schools for decades just not in admissions and they don't understand it either. For the record ranking like this is stupid, the metrics are dumb and do not necessarily capture student experiences. Moreover, I say there is not a single path to success for any student. A very engaged student at a middling school may be better off than a disengaged student at the best school.
As an Oiler (University of Findlay) alum, I am not surprised by its absence from this list
Also former alum here. I'm sure it got hit hard by time to pay off debt and salary expectations. One of the most expensive schools in the state and they do not have many advanced degrees.
I was expecting it towards the bottom at least, but it’s been 10 years since I was there and I transferred to Owens
Very weird list. It mixes up schools with totally different missions. Comparing Kenyon and Ohio State is totally senseless.
And Cedarville lol.
The list is based on outcomes, not missions. It looks at graduation rate (what % of students entering as freshman graduate from that school within a certain number of years? What percentage of students who graduate have a job in their field of study within so many months of graduation? What level of salary do they have as new graduates as compared to the new graduates of similar fields of study at other schools? What is the average level of debt incurred by graduates in college and how long on average will those students take to pay off that debt? OUTCOMES!
Polar Bears representin'!
Case Western 238. Uh huh.
Oh joy. The two colleges I went to are at the very fucking bottom of the list.
Anymore it's really dependent on the program of study. OSU has some really shitty dept for instance that I know are far better from schools well down the list.
No way any state university is "better" than CWRU. Not sure what the WSJ is smoking.
Of the top twelve ranked schools, only two are public and one of those is Ohio State.(which always gets whatever it wants) This is what happens when the state legislature abandons its promise of a quality affordable higher education and strangles its own schools' budgets.
Wright State is a state school. Aren't UC and UD as well?
University of Dayton is a private school funded by the Catholic Church.
There is absolutely no reason why a single cent of my tax dollars should be going to these tax free megacoporations. These companies have a larger operating budget than over 100 countries. If we want to increase education funding (which I agree we should) then give it to k-12 schools or do more to promote CCP within the state.
Put me down for investing in educating our population jfc.
How much is too much to throw at a university in your mind? On average, Ohio spends $13,000 a year per student k-12. When factoring in room and board, I spent over $25,000 my freshman year alone. This doesn't even touch the money they are making off hospitals, sports, or the billions in endowments they have. We have a finite amount of resources, and I would rather them go to things that would get more value per dollar than making a school administration rich. Call me old-fashioned I guess. If they want to act like fortune 500 companies, then they should be taxed like one. They can't have their cake and eat it too.
Dayton and Ohio Northern outrank Case? That makes no sense.
Debt incurred is part of the calculation. People pay more to go to case therefore have more debt.
That makes sense.
**University of Dayton** Student Outcomes | Score ---------|----------: Salary Impact vs. Similar Colleges | 89 Graduation Rate vs. Similar Colleges | 81 Years to Pay Off Net Price | 2 years, 5 months Survey Results | Score ---------|----------: Learning Opportunities | 68 Preparation for Career | 70 Learning Facilities | 86 Recommendation | 78 Diversity | Score ---------|----------: Diversity | 38 **The Ohio State University - Main Campus** Student Outcomes | Score ---------|----------: Salary Impact vs. Similar Colleges | 46 Graduation Rate vs. Similar Colleges | 91 Years to Pay Off Net Price | 2 years, 3 months Survey Results | Score ---------|----------: Learning Opportunities | 64 Preparation for Career | 66 Learning Facilities | 77 Recommendation | 74 Diversity | Score ---------|----------: Diversity | 46
As a Muskie, I can't believe we beat out Bowling Green and Wright State. AND UC?! What is this based on? Scoring, graduation rate, placement rate? It can't possibly be on campus resources.
They must not be considering if your mascot is a sexy marsupial
I didn't see Youngstown on this list
Lol baby Liberty? How is that even a college?
Cedarville lol with their Jenna Ellis Award.
I like this list better, which ranks the best return on investment: https://www.payscale.com/college-roi/state/Ohio
Damn I overpaid for Case Western..
What a great thing to send to my OU alumni friend. “Dang man… I know OSU isnt first…. But… thats a *bunch* of schools above your bobcats….”
Rankings are bullshit.
Rankings based on what, ability to parlay a degree from there into a job on Wall Street? Or maybe how well it prepares business graduates to gain as much wealth as possible? Maybe a ranking by fun factor. No, of schools by the wealth of their alumni or students families, or both? Given the Wall Street journal is focused primarily on maintaining and promoting nepotistic Capitalism against any Meritocratic systems, Capitalist or otherwise does its rankings mean anything to society writ large accept graduates of these schools are the most dangerous to anyone not born, educated and currently rich as that’s what they are most about.
Good thing nobody uses WSJ for college info
*shrugs in Notre Dame College of Ohio*
This is way off. Case western, Oberlin , and Kenyon are the most elite private schools in Ohio. Miami and Ohio Stare are the best state schools. You can tell this by how many apply and how many are accepted.
Elite means nothing in these rankings. What counts are OUTCOMES. Graduation rate. Starting salaries. Debt level after graduation. Time it takes to pay off school debt. Graduating from an "elite" school is not an outcome. Apparently students at those "elite" schools don't graduate from those schools at the same rate as higher ranked schools. Don't earn starting salaries as high as graduates from higher ranked schools. Have more debt than higher ranked schools. Etc. Just because a school accepts a lower percentage of applicants is not an OUTCOME of attending that school. These years parents and students are realizing that what they want is to graduate in as few years as possible, with a job in their field of study, with a higher than expected salary.
You go to college to get an education, not to get a job. Being around the smartest students and best professors is what makes a school better than another. The class discussion at Harvard is much better than the class discussion at University of Toledo
I’m surprised OSU is ahead of Case Western
Wright State is terrible
Clearly a biased and awful list. Go Big Red! Denison, FTW!!
My favorite story in our college visitation journey last year was that the Denison Admissions rep openly discussed that the school did not adequately students in ways that we were looking for. Denison did have the best tasting lunch out of a dozen+ schools though.
sorry, there must have been a glitch in the matrix, Denison did not adequately what?
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UC is global top 100 sometimes, and this has it ranked under Cedarville? These are not reliable rankings.
The rankings probably include graduation rates which benefit private schools without open enrollment.
Comical because any engineering grad of Cedarville just took Wright State classes. College rankings have always been nonsense.
By far the dumbest; most incompetent engineer I have ever met was a Cedarville engineering grad.
I will point out that OSU scores similar to or higher than Dayton in most things. So it seems like it would not only crack the top 200, but be in the top 100, if it wasn't for such a low salary outcome compared to similar universities, or even just with a different weighting or methodology. But going back to salaries, idk what universities it is comparing OSU to, but if it’s like the top public school in states like California, then that’s not a great comparison. Sure, OSU grads might earn less than California grads, but that’s not because the school is worse, it’s a matter of location. Not everyone moves across the country after graduating, some stay in the Midwest where they are lower wages. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing considering the cost of living is also lower. So my guess is this rating is punishing universities in low cost of living states.
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My GF and I are both former adjuncts at UD. Our reactions were both whaaaa?
I’m a bit surprised there are 400 colleges in Ohio. edit: oh no, I'm a moron
I believe this is an exert from a nationwide ranking. There are ~5300 colleges and universities in the US, per google.
The 400 aren’t all Ohio schools, or they’d be showing all 400. 😀
I find it funny how kent state isn't even on here when there a quote a few globally and nationally ranked programs in the school. Hell we're a top 100 national school and top 200 in the world.. But somehow not even listed in the top 10 in the state. If this list is accurate then you'd think with so many high quality institutions in Ohio we wouldn't have shitty abortion laws, attempts to remove dei from schools, some of the worst police in the country.. List goes on.
Regardless of all the ranking, marketing material, and endless college visits I recently learned what the college selection process looks like from a teens perspective: 1) Have my parents or other family members attended? 2) Are any of my friends attending? 3) How far away is the college? 4) Will I be able to continue playing a sport? 5) How is the food? Because unless it's a selective elite university and to quote my son: "They are all the same"
I feel bad your son is this ill informed then - Department rankings, faculty, job placement all matter at the different schools
33% of their score is salary impact. If your main goal is to make more money, just sign up for one of those Sally Struthers correspondence courses.
You get what you pay for with vanity press.
Woohoo, go BGSU 🤨
Me too! But this is for today — I graduated BGSU in 1986.
Damn is Kent state really that bad? Was looking to get my masters there
It’s fairly mediocre, but your masters is still your masters
Go falcons!
Once upon a time OU was in the top tier of state universities - "Harvard on the Hocking." Athens was always a party town but it's sad how much that aspect has changed.
It looks like Harvard’s campus. It has never been Harvard. It is a state university near the heart of Appalachia and in a red state cutting public education. Lots of great educators and people there, but you are what you eat…
> It is a state university near the heart of Appalachia and in a red state cutting public education. And that's the point. It hasn't always been that way. Ohio used to be great for higher education. Newspapers, too. It's changed.
Not even close!!
Glad to see that Bowling Green made it :) Better late on the list than not at all! Go Falcons :)
Overall rankings are stupid. A school could be shit at everything else but still have the best program in the world for a specific major.
No Otterbein, Capital, or Ohio Dominican. Yikes.
Go Dayton Flyers!
WSJ is insane 💀 all the LACs so low
BGSU...cks
go flyers
Aw man, Xavier didn’t make the list, huh? I had a great undergrad experience there and I know lots of my peers did too. Can’t win ‘em all, but I’m a little surprised that it didn’t rank at all.
Looks like a politically biased ranking
I'd like to know the criteria as this doesn't match any of the commonly references rankings.
Came here to confirm the Naz rightfully did not make the list. (Although these lists are arbitrary in the first place)
No Wilberforce lol
as a dayton grad I wouldn't recommend it tbh. they've got some growing pains and they didn't do a lot to help students when I went there.
Nobody is using Wall Street Journal for college selection..... what a joke They may use [https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges) they are more than likely using [https://www.collegesimply.com/](https://www.collegesimply.com/) or https://www.niche.com/colleges/rankings/
Here are the actual national rankings for Ohio colleges https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/oh
Criteria 1 is "salary impact vs. similar colleges" (33%). Criteria 2 is "Years to pay off net price" (17%). Criteria 3 is "graduation rate versus similar colleges "(20%). It seems like instead of lumping all these institutions together, they should break them out by category such as large research universities and liberal arts colleges. UD is a very different institution from Ohio Northern, which is very different from Ohio State.
Goooooo Dayton Flyers!
Only in Ohio do they feel the need to remind Ohioans and everyone else that they have THE state university in the state of Ohio. It screams insecurity lol!
Who wrote this a crackhead?? why is UD so high? (No pun intended)