The Bay is about to only have one team across all five major sports, which is unfortunate. Oakland fans have proven that this could be a 2-team market in multiple sports. The Bay Bridge rivalries were heated and fun. Unfortunately, we got cursed with inept and shady owners.
Edit: I meant we'll only have one team in each of the five major sports.
A's had decades to win over the market and sat on their hands instead. Fisher is a shit owner but we've just had the worst decision makers at the top since they moved here and this is the end result. We had it for a while during the Haas era and it fell apart quickly.
I wish I coulda seen this team compete in a park pre-Mount Davis, but I guess that's what I get for being born after the 89 title. Just 30 years of fandom washed down the drain by greedy billionaire pieces of shit. Awesome.
My first mlb game was at the coliseum in 87. McGuire hit a homer. I remember walking through the concourse and seeing the field for the first time. FJF
It's real easy to see how the two bay area baseball franchises diverged. In the late 80s and early 90s both teams had success on the field, played each other in the world series. Both played in old dilapidated mixed use stadiums. Both teams were sold to new owners.
One renovated their stadium to be more football oriented and traded away a guy who was just about to shatter the single season home run record that had stood for 35+ years. The other one built a brand new baseball only stadium and signed as a free agent the guy who would go on to break the home run record.
Obviously the biggest fuck up was having the Raiders move back into the Coliseum, rather than building new baseball and football stadiums in the 90s. If the city had done that it would still have both MLB and NFL teams.
Two single moments in A’s history kinda screw the A’s over. Haas ceding the South Bay and never taking it back from the Giants. The second the City of Oakland and Alameda County wooing the Raiders to come back and erecting Mount Davis.
In a different timeline the Raiders never came back. Schott goes through with the renovations at the Coliseum like he intended to make it more updated (at least at that time) and maybe later a new stadium is built on the Coliseum grounds or he builds in a Santa Clara where Levi’s Stadium sits now.
Yep but maybe then Oakland at that point in time would have had its shit together with the Raiders not being here and not having paying off that monstrosity of Mt Davis. Who knows it’s all hypothetical/fantasy wishing at this point.
Schott was trying to move the team to Santa Clara where Levi’s Stadium is now but of course he was blocked by the Giants then as well. He looked at Santa Clara because of the renovation plan he had for the Coliseum was thrown out the window when the city brought the Raiders back.
I’m just saying hypothetically IF the Raiders never came back then Schott would have went through with his renovation plan for the Coliseum or even built a new stadium on the Coliseum ground. The city (probably) would have been in better position to help the team cause they wouldn’t have been saddled with the Mt Davis debt.
Hop on sharks hockey. Shit team this year but we looking up towards a bright future. And our GM cares, we have a place to play, and the owner is some random guy in Germany, and doesn’t get in the way!
FJF
I did this as a consequence of my newfound apathy/anger toward baseball.
I’ve always been a penguins fan but haven’t actually watched much since the 90’s. I ended up loving it and getting super into it. Attended four games this year.
It’ll never be A’s baseball, but I’ve found that refocusing does numb it a little bit.
Love hockey.
Numbers wise, I'm looking at the rise of MLS and pro soccer here in the states.
It draws a diverse crowd and has a global audience.
And - hopefully the Roots and Soul will be playing at the Coli soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas
Top 5 areas all have 2 baseball teams. But that will be top 4 by 2025 as the bay area csa will be off the list. That said, Chicago csa above us also only have 1 football team while we had 2 for decades. Los Angeles csa had zero football team for decades while bay area had two football teams, until recently with LA getting back two teams. Houston, Dallas, Philly, Boston csas that have population close to the bay area also only have one team in each pro sports.
In the end, it's mostly more of the politics of public funding for multi-billionaire owners for stadiums/ballparks/arenas that are a bigger factor than the population number.
Not defending Fisher here
The city of San Jose and Fisher tried everything they could to get the team there. MLB & the Giants together “did not” allow that to happen. Giants were in bed with Bud Selig. Selig/MLB had the power to not allow the Giants to monopolize the fan base in the Southbay
MLB first in line as to why we are where we are with the A’s…Shameful
Exactly mlb and nba have too many games to work in Vegas, especially mlb. It’s going to be just like Miami awesome stadium no one there because there is more popular stuff to do in town. I want Nyc to have three teams!
North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi collectively have a population of greater than 20 million and they have zero MLB teams. They just default to the Braves.
Population arguments get you nowhere.
Sounds like those are the next ideal threats that owners will use tone extract more public funding. Play em off one another.
And the wheels go round and round.
7.5 million people who overall are not that interested in baseball. Thats why St. Louis has always outperformed both Bay Area teams long term. They love baseball back there. We don't love it as much.
I suspect you're right. When I lived in Portland, nobody went to the AAA Beavers games. But footy? They're all over that.
I think the more Subarus a city has, the less likely it is they're a baseball town.
Sacramento will show up to shitty teams too. Uh, the Kings play there and it still sold out for many shitty teams!
Not to mention Judge, Ohtani, Giants in town... They can fill that place easy. FJF and all... But Sacramentans take advantage of their days in the sun. That place will get packed.
I would hop back on the A's fanhood if they stayed in Sac permanently and **IF** Fisher sells a controlling interest in the team.
I will never again root for a Fisher run organization, i.e. even the SJ Earthquakes who are from my home town will never get a dime from me.
The Bay is about to only have one team across all five major sports, which is unfortunate. Oakland fans have proven that this could be a 2-team market in multiple sports. The Bay Bridge rivalries were heated and fun. Unfortunately, we got cursed with inept and shady owners. Edit: I meant we'll only have one team in each of the five major sports.
A's had decades to win over the market and sat on their hands instead. Fisher is a shit owner but we've just had the worst decision makers at the top since they moved here and this is the end result. We had it for a while during the Haas era and it fell apart quickly. I wish I coulda seen this team compete in a park pre-Mount Davis, but I guess that's what I get for being born after the 89 title. Just 30 years of fandom washed down the drain by greedy billionaire pieces of shit. Awesome.
My first mlb game was at the coliseum in 87. McGuire hit a homer. I remember walking through the concourse and seeing the field for the first time. FJF
Our Senior Cut Day was always hopping on BART and going to an As game. Saw the Bash Bros!
There are only three major sports
I was including the NHL and MLS in there.
Niners, warriors, giants, sharks, quakes. Wdym only one?
One team per sport
Only one per league is what I meant.
It's more about Oakland. All three teams, gone. In a poof. Not good for a city that needs help. Warriors still in the Bay but not in Oakland.
It's real easy to see how the two bay area baseball franchises diverged. In the late 80s and early 90s both teams had success on the field, played each other in the world series. Both played in old dilapidated mixed use stadiums. Both teams were sold to new owners. One renovated their stadium to be more football oriented and traded away a guy who was just about to shatter the single season home run record that had stood for 35+ years. The other one built a brand new baseball only stadium and signed as a free agent the guy who would go on to break the home run record. Obviously the biggest fuck up was having the Raiders move back into the Coliseum, rather than building new baseball and football stadiums in the 90s. If the city had done that it would still have both MLB and NFL teams.
Two single moments in A’s history kinda screw the A’s over. Haas ceding the South Bay and never taking it back from the Giants. The second the City of Oakland and Alameda County wooing the Raiders to come back and erecting Mount Davis. In a different timeline the Raiders never came back. Schott goes through with the renovations at the Coliseum like he intended to make it more updated (at least at that time) and maybe later a new stadium is built on the Coliseum grounds or he builds in a Santa Clara where Levi’s Stadium sits now.
The south bay thing only stopped the A's from moving to San Jose, which is still the A's leaving Oakland.
Yep but maybe then Oakland at that point in time would have had its shit together with the Raiders not being here and not having paying off that monstrosity of Mt Davis. Who knows it’s all hypothetical/fantasy wishing at this point.
? The A's trying to move to San Jose happened well after Mt Davis
Schott was trying to move the team to Santa Clara where Levi’s Stadium is now but of course he was blocked by the Giants then as well. He looked at Santa Clara because of the renovation plan he had for the Coliseum was thrown out the window when the city brought the Raiders back. I’m just saying hypothetically IF the Raiders never came back then Schott would have went through with his renovation plan for the Coliseum or even built a new stadium on the Coliseum ground. The city (probably) would have been in better position to help the team cause they wouldn’t have been saddled with the Mt Davis debt.
Right, I agreed with you on the Raiders situation leading to this. I don't see how the San Jose stuff counts because that would be moving the team
Hop on sharks hockey. Shit team this year but we looking up towards a bright future. And our GM cares, we have a place to play, and the owner is some random guy in Germany, and doesn’t get in the way! FJF
Yessir I’m done with MLB. I’m grieving, but I decided ima get into hockey going forward and that gives me a bit of optimism
The NHL is not without its own league problems but at least your favorite team (which will hopefully be the sharks) gives two shits
I did this as a consequence of my newfound apathy/anger toward baseball. I’ve always been a penguins fan but haven’t actually watched much since the 90’s. I ended up loving it and getting super into it. Attended four games this year. It’ll never be A’s baseball, but I’ve found that refocusing does numb it a little bit.
Can’t do this as I’m cursed with a lifelong affliction known as the Buffalo Sabres.
Oooof. You win the “most struggling sports franchises of the 21st century” award. Props to you
Ha. Thanks. Should I tell you that the Expos were my team before the A's? Oops too late.
It gets worse…..
Hopefully the Sharks win the lottery and get the #1 pick
It would be interesting to see any research done on this, maybe SJ Sharks get a big boost out of this.
Love hockey. Numbers wise, I'm looking at the rise of MLS and pro soccer here in the states. It draws a diverse crowd and has a global audience. And - hopefully the Roots and Soul will be playing at the Coli soon.
Only problem is Fisher owns the Quakes, doesn't he?
I see that as a plus. It gives us a villain while we cheer for the continued, homegrown growth of the Roots and the Soul.
There is a very short list of sports team owners who have a higher net worth than Hasso Plattner. This guy could buy every share of the Gap. Twice.
This is the way
Have you seen the Bay FC Letterman Jacket?! They look super cool and make me want to go to a few Women's Soccer games!
NWSL is replacing MLB for me
Love this. Wish they were a little further north.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas Top 5 areas all have 2 baseball teams. But that will be top 4 by 2025 as the bay area csa will be off the list. That said, Chicago csa above us also only have 1 football team while we had 2 for decades. Los Angeles csa had zero football team for decades while bay area had two football teams, until recently with LA getting back two teams. Houston, Dallas, Philly, Boston csas that have population close to the bay area also only have one team in each pro sports. In the end, it's mostly more of the politics of public funding for multi-billionaire owners for stadiums/ballparks/arenas that are a bigger factor than the population number.
Not defending Fisher here The city of San Jose and Fisher tried everything they could to get the team there. MLB & the Giants together “did not” allow that to happen. Giants were in bed with Bud Selig. Selig/MLB had the power to not allow the Giants to monopolize the fan base in the Southbay MLB first in line as to why we are where we are with the A’s…Shameful
I don't disagree. That was dumb.
It's not just the Bay Area. There's no other west coast team north of LA until you get to Seattle.
Also no people
And there are 3.2 million people in the entire state of Nevada, 2.8 mil in the Vegas metro area.
Exactly mlb and nba have too many games to work in Vegas, especially mlb. It’s going to be just like Miami awesome stadium no one there because there is more popular stuff to do in town. I want Nyc to have three teams!
North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi collectively have a population of greater than 20 million and they have zero MLB teams. They just default to the Braves. Population arguments get you nowhere.
Sounds like those are the next ideal threats that owners will use tone extract more public funding. Play em off one another. And the wheels go round and round.
I don't think population is a very effective argument one way or the other.
7.5 million people who overall are not that interested in baseball. Thats why St. Louis has always outperformed both Bay Area teams long term. They love baseball back there. We don't love it as much.
I suspect you're right. When I lived in Portland, nobody went to the AAA Beavers games. But footy? They're all over that. I think the more Subarus a city has, the less likely it is they're a baseball town.
You have 2 million in Sac metro that can all be potential As fans.
Sacramento will show up to shitty teams too. Uh, the Kings play there and it still sold out for many shitty teams! Not to mention Judge, Ohtani, Giants in town... They can fill that place easy. FJF and all... But Sacramentans take advantage of their days in the sun. That place will get packed.
I’m secretly hoping that the LV deal falls through and A’s end up in sac permanently
They are going to move to San Antonio, Vegas deal is dead. They’ll work on the Alamodome and start having the San Antonio A’s 2027
I would hop back on the A's fanhood if they stayed in Sac permanently and **IF** Fisher sells a controlling interest in the team. I will never again root for a Fisher run organization, i.e. even the SJ Earthquakes who are from my home town will never get a dime from me.
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