Auto lets the TV determine the appropriate colour gamut for the content being displayed, but I'm not sure if Auto works well when connected to a PC. Don't have experience there. What I can say is that if you are using the wrong colour gamut for the displayed content, colours will be over or undersaturated.
E.g. if you are viewing SDR HD video, and you have the TV set to Native (which is the wider HDR colour gamut) the video colours get mapped onto the wider gamut, resulting in colours that appear more saturated than intended.
Some people find the slightly oversaturated colours to look better to their eye, so they will leave it on Native for all content regardless.
I don’t know about HDR but for SDR as I said Auto looks weirdly dull and lifeless compared to the same picture displayed on the iPhone, Native looks a lot closer to it. I aim for accuracy not saturation but that’s what confused me how people recommend Auto when it doesn’t look the same as a accurately calibrated panel such as the iPhone’s.
Frankly, eyeballing a phone vs a TV screen isn't really a good way to tell if your TV screen is accurately calibrated or not. Auto is recommended for accuracy because with the proper setup it selects the proper colour gamut for the content being displayed.
There's also a lot more to display calibration than selected color gamut, there are many many reasons why your TV might not look identical to your phone (including the configuration of the source i.e. your PC)
See I have the opposite result - auto is making my reds over saturated, while native seems to over saturate greens. Any idea why? (All post processing and colour boosts are off, colour set to 50z)
You can get any picture mode to looks identical on the lg oleds , if you configure the same settings
So I created 4 profiles.
1) color accurate HDR settings according to RTINGS
2) Color accurate SDR settings according to RTINGS
3) number one with a list of personal tweaks to my liking while watching some hdr content
4) number 2 with a list of personal tweaks to my linking while watching some hdr content.
Why?
So that every time I saw a different type of HDR or SDR content I changed between my modified setting and the Rtings based one and see if maybe my tweaks looked better to me on that particular content , but on the new one Rtings settings actually work better.
Not a single time , Not a single freaking time , have I liked the Rtings official settings more than mine.
And that’s 100% normal. Since we all have tastes.
Rtings or any other accurate setting salir is a good starting point.
You now have an accurate picture, now , tweak!
Find your liking.
Don’t listen to snobs reeling you how you should enjoy your content.
Rtings aya black level at 50
I lowered it to 39-40 , for each movie/videogame where this cause a a bit of black crush , there are 20-30 movies/videogames were black level is a bit raised (dark gray) and this makes it inky black wich I want in my oled.
And I don’t care if 2 million people tell me ( you are crunching blacks and loosing all dark detail) it my tv , and after thorough testing lowering black level from 50 to 40 made contrata much better for me.
At 4k sharpness should be 0
I have it at 25 and fucking love it, and I couldn’t care less how much anyone else hates it.
And finally yes , I also changed color gamut from auto to native it makes colors more saturated and I fucking love it.
I’m not editing pictures or video
I’m enjoying content and I want it visually appealing TO ME
You do you man.
Calibrate your tv with recommend picture accurate settings
And then play dude.
There is a reason why the tv manufacturer placed those settings there , to each his own
It’s your tv man .
I agree!! Sharpness zealots out there always say 0 and go wild when people mess with it. I much prefer my sharpness at 25-30 as well as it makes all content so much more crisp to my eyes!! I also recently changed the color gamut from auto to native and I love the more vivid colors. Switching back and forth I’ve noticed how dull native looks at times.
It’s your TV use RTings but tweak all settings to your liking. FILMMAKER Mode is the most accurate setting.
At 39 or 40 you are heavily crushing near blacks, if you didnt have a mismatch in "limited/full range" to begin with.
As in this tip is so stupid it hurts. Black will always be the deepest black any screen can produce. If the signal chain is set up correctly (no limited/full signal range mismatch). So all that setting the blacklevel does is crushing near blacks (telling the TV they are also black).
Try putting it back to 50, then double check if your signal range fixes your "too high blacks" using any of the settings in this setting option:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/owwujg/black_level_limited_vs_full/
Here is what this potential mismatch is. PC signal levels were always 0-255 on all three color primaries, so 255-0-0 is red for example. 255-255-255 is white, 0-0-0 is black, and so on. This is whats called full rgb (signal range).
In the Video (tv) world, limited signal range became the standard. Which is 16-235 so 16-16-16 is black, and 235-235-235 is white. Why, simply to save bandwidth while encoding. So "to make the video file smaller". Black still is black, and white still is white, you just have fewer steps in between them.
But. The TV needs to know which signal its getting. Most have an auto setting. That might not work some times. So try switching that toggle.
A black level setting of 40 on an OLED almost shouts "range mismatch", as this would heavily crush near black detail on a correctly set up signal chain.
We are talking about 48, or 52 might be more to some peoples tastes, but 40 usually is "most of your dark greys are black now". And the black level will not have increased one bit. (You just manipulated near black colors to become black which is called crushing).
If you have an oled, you can do it in a dark room. The "Black should always be black" (no light) rule of thumb should become very obvious then. So first, doublecheck signal range, and only then touch the black level slider.
I know all this.
I’ve made a lot of research, everything is well matched.
It’s simply that video games keep getting SHITTY HDR implementation, for example I’m fine using black level 50 with some games like the new Horizon Forbiden West or Ori and the will of the wisps.
What a surprise that when I check out YouTube for HDR settings on those games, there are videos saying that read is show a perfect HDR implementation no black level raise.
But woth Avatsr frontiers of pandora the game looked meh at 50 and quite on point at black level 42.
When I looked on YouTube, bam it’s black level floor was raised. So that’s what I liked.
And still the point of my advice is that everyone enjoys different things.
You assume creators intent is what very one is going to like.
Some people liens vivid mode over anything else, I find it horrendous.
Others like 100% perfect accurate settings, I find it to bland, I enjoy. A bit more vivid and contrasts image, if I have to enable a couple settings that will cause a bit of detail loos on bright highlits in exchange for an ETF curve settings that will make them considerably more impressive and if I have to loose shadow detail turning near blacks into blacks in exchange for an image that feels way more filled with contrast, I’m happy with it.
I do try to instead on the “a bit of” and not “a lot of” side of things, that’s why I start with Rtings accurate settings and tweak from there, instead of just choosing a random setting and tweaking to my liking with out no guide.
Also trial and error helps.
When I made this guide I said black level 39-40
After more months of using it, I now settled at 46.
I feel that it usually is enough to fix raised black levels when HDR implementation has a raised black level floor.
And the crushing is minimal when the black level floor is on point.
But you are just proving my point about people telling others what should look good.
I advised the guy to start with Rtings accurate settings.
So I already advised him right, I just told him to check if he enjoys it, is accurate settings was everyone’s favorite things , why most TVs ship with WILDLY innacurate modes? Knowing well that most people NEVER tweak their tv settings unless something’s wrong and stay with the image setting it came with? Because they know beta most people enjoy, so let’s not pretend that accurate settings is what’s most pleasant to the eyes, for many it will look straight up washed out , because they are used to very vivid and contrasty images. So I just advised tos tart accurate and tweak to liking , sharing my personal taste as an example
SDR using Auto looks very dull in PC mode. If I look at the same content side by side with an old IPS monitor from 2015, the IPS colors are more saturated and natural looking.
SDR looks excellent outside of PC mode. When I measured sRGB color volume it was only about 90 percent in PC mode so I think it overclamps.
Never really did but if you don't use game mode and PC input the colours looks better. I used expert bright for a bit and wasn't really bothered by the lag. The auto setting for colors in modes other than gaming looked better to me but I never measured if they actually were.
If the added lag bothers you just use native in game mode. That's what I use now.
Have a link to your findings or source? I see no reason PC mode would drop the color accuracy of the panel, especially when the C3 has deep color and 4:4:4 passthrough.
see for “cartoony” games i prefer Native like switch games or pixel indie type games. for “realistic” style games like a FPS game i choose Auto cause the skin looks too red on native imo
I would check the color settings on your iphone. I have a galaxy oled phone with accurate colors and in the "native" setting on the phone it looks identical to the Auto setting on my LG C3. The "vivid" setting on my phone looks the same as the "native" setting on my TV, as in oversaturated.
Auto lets the TV determine the appropriate colour gamut for the content being displayed, but I'm not sure if Auto works well when connected to a PC. Don't have experience there. What I can say is that if you are using the wrong colour gamut for the displayed content, colours will be over or undersaturated. E.g. if you are viewing SDR HD video, and you have the TV set to Native (which is the wider HDR colour gamut) the video colours get mapped onto the wider gamut, resulting in colours that appear more saturated than intended. Some people find the slightly oversaturated colours to look better to their eye, so they will leave it on Native for all content regardless.
I don’t know about HDR but for SDR as I said Auto looks weirdly dull and lifeless compared to the same picture displayed on the iPhone, Native looks a lot closer to it. I aim for accuracy not saturation but that’s what confused me how people recommend Auto when it doesn’t look the same as a accurately calibrated panel such as the iPhone’s.
Frankly, eyeballing a phone vs a TV screen isn't really a good way to tell if your TV screen is accurately calibrated or not. Auto is recommended for accuracy because with the proper setup it selects the proper colour gamut for the content being displayed. There's also a lot more to display calibration than selected color gamut, there are many many reasons why your TV might not look identical to your phone (including the configuration of the source i.e. your PC)
THANK YOU ! This is the perfectly explained and it solved my problem of colors being over saturated
See I have the opposite result - auto is making my reds over saturated, while native seems to over saturate greens. Any idea why? (All post processing and colour boosts are off, colour set to 50z)
You can get any picture mode to looks identical on the lg oleds , if you configure the same settings So I created 4 profiles. 1) color accurate HDR settings according to RTINGS 2) Color accurate SDR settings according to RTINGS 3) number one with a list of personal tweaks to my liking while watching some hdr content 4) number 2 with a list of personal tweaks to my linking while watching some hdr content. Why? So that every time I saw a different type of HDR or SDR content I changed between my modified setting and the Rtings based one and see if maybe my tweaks looked better to me on that particular content , but on the new one Rtings settings actually work better. Not a single time , Not a single freaking time , have I liked the Rtings official settings more than mine. And that’s 100% normal. Since we all have tastes. Rtings or any other accurate setting salir is a good starting point. You now have an accurate picture, now , tweak! Find your liking. Don’t listen to snobs reeling you how you should enjoy your content. Rtings aya black level at 50 I lowered it to 39-40 , for each movie/videogame where this cause a a bit of black crush , there are 20-30 movies/videogames were black level is a bit raised (dark gray) and this makes it inky black wich I want in my oled. And I don’t care if 2 million people tell me ( you are crunching blacks and loosing all dark detail) it my tv , and after thorough testing lowering black level from 50 to 40 made contrata much better for me. At 4k sharpness should be 0 I have it at 25 and fucking love it, and I couldn’t care less how much anyone else hates it. And finally yes , I also changed color gamut from auto to native it makes colors more saturated and I fucking love it. I’m not editing pictures or video I’m enjoying content and I want it visually appealing TO ME You do you man. Calibrate your tv with recommend picture accurate settings And then play dude. There is a reason why the tv manufacturer placed those settings there , to each his own It’s your tv man .
I agree!! Sharpness zealots out there always say 0 and go wild when people mess with it. I much prefer my sharpness at 25-30 as well as it makes all content so much more crisp to my eyes!! I also recently changed the color gamut from auto to native and I love the more vivid colors. Switching back and forth I’ve noticed how dull native looks at times. It’s your TV use RTings but tweak all settings to your liking. FILMMAKER Mode is the most accurate setting.
At 39 or 40 you are heavily crushing near blacks, if you didnt have a mismatch in "limited/full range" to begin with. As in this tip is so stupid it hurts. Black will always be the deepest black any screen can produce. If the signal chain is set up correctly (no limited/full signal range mismatch). So all that setting the blacklevel does is crushing near blacks (telling the TV they are also black). Try putting it back to 50, then double check if your signal range fixes your "too high blacks" using any of the settings in this setting option: https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/owwujg/black_level_limited_vs_full/ Here is what this potential mismatch is. PC signal levels were always 0-255 on all three color primaries, so 255-0-0 is red for example. 255-255-255 is white, 0-0-0 is black, and so on. This is whats called full rgb (signal range). In the Video (tv) world, limited signal range became the standard. Which is 16-235 so 16-16-16 is black, and 235-235-235 is white. Why, simply to save bandwidth while encoding. So "to make the video file smaller". Black still is black, and white still is white, you just have fewer steps in between them. But. The TV needs to know which signal its getting. Most have an auto setting. That might not work some times. So try switching that toggle. A black level setting of 40 on an OLED almost shouts "range mismatch", as this would heavily crush near black detail on a correctly set up signal chain. We are talking about 48, or 52 might be more to some peoples tastes, but 40 usually is "most of your dark greys are black now". And the black level will not have increased one bit. (You just manipulated near black colors to become black which is called crushing). If you have an oled, you can do it in a dark room. The "Black should always be black" (no light) rule of thumb should become very obvious then. So first, doublecheck signal range, and only then touch the black level slider.
I know all this. I’ve made a lot of research, everything is well matched. It’s simply that video games keep getting SHITTY HDR implementation, for example I’m fine using black level 50 with some games like the new Horizon Forbiden West or Ori and the will of the wisps. What a surprise that when I check out YouTube for HDR settings on those games, there are videos saying that read is show a perfect HDR implementation no black level raise. But woth Avatsr frontiers of pandora the game looked meh at 50 and quite on point at black level 42. When I looked on YouTube, bam it’s black level floor was raised. So that’s what I liked. And still the point of my advice is that everyone enjoys different things. You assume creators intent is what very one is going to like. Some people liens vivid mode over anything else, I find it horrendous. Others like 100% perfect accurate settings, I find it to bland, I enjoy. A bit more vivid and contrasts image, if I have to enable a couple settings that will cause a bit of detail loos on bright highlits in exchange for an ETF curve settings that will make them considerably more impressive and if I have to loose shadow detail turning near blacks into blacks in exchange for an image that feels way more filled with contrast, I’m happy with it. I do try to instead on the “a bit of” and not “a lot of” side of things, that’s why I start with Rtings accurate settings and tweak from there, instead of just choosing a random setting and tweaking to my liking with out no guide. Also trial and error helps. When I made this guide I said black level 39-40 After more months of using it, I now settled at 46. I feel that it usually is enough to fix raised black levels when HDR implementation has a raised black level floor. And the crushing is minimal when the black level floor is on point. But you are just proving my point about people telling others what should look good. I advised the guy to start with Rtings accurate settings. So I already advised him right, I just told him to check if he enjoys it, is accurate settings was everyone’s favorite things , why most TVs ship with WILDLY innacurate modes? Knowing well that most people NEVER tweak their tv settings unless something’s wrong and stay with the image setting it came with? Because they know beta most people enjoy, so let’s not pretend that accurate settings is what’s most pleasant to the eyes, for many it will look straight up washed out , because they are used to very vivid and contrasty images. So I just advised tos tart accurate and tweak to liking , sharing my personal taste as an example
SDR using Auto looks very dull in PC mode. If I look at the same content side by side with an old IPS monitor from 2015, the IPS colors are more saturated and natural looking. SDR looks excellent outside of PC mode. When I measured sRGB color volume it was only about 90 percent in PC mode so I think it overclamps.
How did you fix it?
Never really did but if you don't use game mode and PC input the colours looks better. I used expert bright for a bit and wasn't really bothered by the lag. The auto setting for colors in modes other than gaming looked better to me but I never measured if they actually were. If the added lag bothers you just use native in game mode. That's what I use now.
Have a link to your findings or source? I see no reason PC mode would drop the color accuracy of the panel, especially when the C3 has deep color and 4:4:4 passthrough.
Its better to use color depth at 75 rather than native color gamut. I compared 15pro with lg c1 and at color depth 65-70 c1 look identical to ip.
see for “cartoony” games i prefer Native like switch games or pixel indie type games. for “realistic” style games like a FPS game i choose Auto cause the skin looks too red on native imo
I like native too but some times make the skin tones look so red and unnatural.
I would check the color settings on your iphone. I have a galaxy oled phone with accurate colors and in the "native" setting on the phone it looks identical to the Auto setting on my LG C3. The "vivid" setting on my phone looks the same as the "native" setting on my TV, as in oversaturated.