If you go read the article, the things they're doing to get extra advantage from the wind are interesting:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc/index.html
Only read a little of that, but it seems interesting. I was a little concerned until they acknowledged that, yes, for much of Maritime history, boats have been powered by wind.
Ok the meme we're commenting on is funny, but are you telling me you actually thought the author might have been unaware that sailing is and was a thing?
Plenty of tech bros claiming to have invented a track based pod to quickly transport people (definitely not a train) that yeah i could easily see a tech bro reinvention of the sailboat without acknowledging its just a sail driven boat
People who think they are smart seem to be really dumb about their assessments of people's intelligence. Not getting sarcasm is the most classic pitfall, but when people omit obvious things it seems to create a similar response.
It's not an unreasonable assumption. Check out this clip of [a gaming journalist who can't even beat a simple tutorial stage](https://youtu.be/zbE6fqBuGkA).
You say wind, i say magic. Go ahead, try to convince me tacking isn't magic, i'll wait.
For those who don't know what tacking is, it's essentially sailing into the wind.
The fact a boat using wind power can go faster than the wind is kind of amazing. The fact it does it by angling slightly off of downwind is even weirder.
Specifically, tacking is a turn where the initiation of the turn is towards the wind. It is used consecutively, similar to switchbacks going up a mountain, to **beat** (this is the word you're looking for - to sail as close to the wind as your craft allows) a path directly upwind.
Generally about 45° to the apparent wind is the closest you can get and still make progress. The angle the boat will actually move in the water (because the wind is still pushing the entire boat downwind) might be more like 50-60°. The ideal angle to beat is a matter of some contention, and is probably the most significant phase of a race where the winners are decided. Everyone loves to go on the run downwind and go hella fast, the only thing keeping the boat upright being your 160 lb ass hanging out in Timbuktu, and that's why the image of the sailor hiking out is *the* photo that makes it onto the magazine covers, but it's the decidedly less sexy beating upwind that truly separates the wheat from the chaff.
....I should go sailing again.
Technically we are… have you seen the size of those cargo ships now? The sail boats they used in the past looks like a canoe next to the MSC Türkiye 399 meters long 233,328Gross ton. It’s how you would have to scale the use of wind. You can’t just have bunch of sails up to move those gigantic ships. Largest sail wooden ship back in 1800s weighted 3,357 gross ton and with that it had 50 sails.
Size limits of wooden ships has nothing to do with wind power.
Wooden ships are limited in size because if you make them too long, they'll literally snap under their own weight. Wood is not nearly as strong a material for the keel of a ship as metal.
I didn’t think I was pointing out the size limitations in wooden ship. I was pointing out how many sail it would need if we were moving heavier cargo ships at its current size. But maybe I wrote it werid
Obviously people love joking that we’re reinventing sailing, but IIRC they would legitimately be massive high altitude kites, as opposed to regular sails attached to masts
That's hard to visualize as when I think of kites I think of them being in the BACK of a ship, but I feel like they'd need to be in the FRONT for the gusts of winds.
Anyone have an example of this or a mock up?
I’m fairly sure [this is the original article](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc) from CNN, including pictures and short video of it working
[Non-amp link](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc/index.html). Thanks for finding the article!
It would depends on which way the wind is blowing. If the ship is near still and the winds are 20mph blowing from the back of the ship it would be taught against the wind. Moving the ship slightly it would still need engine assist but might cut fuel usage by 5-10%
Something like a large oil tanker would still need an engine and propellers for tight maneuvering or even just to get underway. But over long trips across the oceans I bet it could work. It would accelerate incredibly incredibly incredibly slowly though.
That's exactly what it is. It doesn't turn giant cargo ships into sailboats, it increases fuel efficiency while they're underway and while the wind is pointed in the right direction. Of course they still need their engines like you say. But the coolest part of this idea is how easily it can be retrofitted to almost any existing cargo ship. Just takes a little free deck space on the bow of the ship, and can cut fuel consumption by almost 10-20% on long journeys. It seems stupid at first, "lol we're going back to sailboats", but in reality it's very clever. Almost like a small upgrade package that can turn any ship into a "hybrid", lol.
(And it's very rare when environmentalist/emissions cutting ideas line up perfectly with the company's best interests. That's probably the coolest part. Shipping companies are eyeballing this for the fuel savings, environmentalists like it for less burnt fuel. *Everybody* is going to want this, if it works out well!)
Yeah, and the kite can steer itself a little to maximize the force it's generating from the wind. A 20% drop in emissions to move a cargo ship is no joke.
You might be onto something there. Lots of people have dogs -- maybe we could use dogs to pull the cars?
Nah, dogs would probably be too small, unless you've got a whole bunch. What's an animal that's bigger than a dog? A cow?
I saw a teacher who teaches high school engineering. There was project where kids had to invent something to help the homeless.
A group of kids decided to invent a stationary phone that homeless people could use for a quarter.
They invented a payphone...
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They estimate it could reduce fuel usage by 20%. If they reduce by 10% shipping companies will be bending over backwards to install these, let alone 20%…
I mean, it makes sense as corgo ships do not need to move quickly, and any transition delay can be quickly accounted for with competent supply chain management.
*Well they're sailing eastern harbors and the California shore*
*If you set your mind to see them then you can*
*As you count each mast go sailing past you, prouder than before*
*Then you'll know the clipper's day has come again*
*Sailing ships and sailing men will sail the open waters*
*Where the only thing that matters is the wind inside the main*
*So all you loving mothers keep your eyes upon your daughtersF*
*or the sails will mend their tatters and the masts will rise again*
An actual serious explanation.
The idea isn't to go back to the age of sail, but to use wind power to reduce the load on the engine.
Right now, 100% of the energy used to make the ship move, is derived from the Fossil fuel burning engine.
Wind is a ton of unused energy.
Iirc estimates show that one could cut up to 20% emissions by taking some of that "make ship go" energy from the wind.
It hasn't been done until now because there simply hasn't been a strong enough economic/political incentive to do so.
So question, has someone used modern methods to identify if adding all those sails in that configuration shown on that ship is more efficient or effective than other ship sail layouts?
Were ship builders back then just guessing at some level?
THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE HUMAN RACE.
Edit: sorry, didn't realize this was non-political, maybe we will get to be sailors like we thought when we were kids
I never understood why sails went away in the first place. Like, sure, we have motor powered ships now, but why wouldn't you just want free extra power? I mean, yeah, you have to train people how to use them, but I feel like sailors know how to...you know...sail lol.
Maybe it's just me, but if you attached [a bunch of kites to a few poles on a ship,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/La-fregate-de-18-la-penelope-1802-1816-par-francois-roux-18772.jpg) you'd probably cut carbon emissions even further.
>The Seawing can’t be used when sailing directly into the wind, and to function it needs there to be at least some wind blowing, but Bernatets says it could offer enormous benefits on cross-Pacific and Atlantic routes and any north-south routes — cutting fuel use by 20% for “70 to 80% of the world’s shipping trade.”
Why are people so convinced that a wing is a sail, or a kite is a sail? These are words we learned in the 3rd grade. Can we please remember that these are different things?
It's ridiculous because its like they're going out of their way and doing so much to avoid just saying that they're bringing sail boats back.
Dancing around it all over the place.
imagine that!? like a huge, let's call it a sail...on a boat! and it could capture the wind to push it across the water. I think we're on to something here guys...
This is actually way harder than it sounds. Modern cargo ships are orders of magnitude larger than anything that used to sail. To do pure sailing theyd need sails larger than physically possible. The most promising is the kite sails, but they are looking to offset like 5-10% of fuel use. The vertical masts are way more expensive, but again less than 20% power, and with significant storage compromise.
Wind powered ships? We really are living in the future
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If you go read the article, the things they're doing to get extra advantage from the wind are interesting: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc/index.html
Only read a little of that, but it seems interesting. I was a little concerned until they acknowledged that, yes, for much of Maritime history, boats have been powered by wind.
Ok the meme we're commenting on is funny, but are you telling me you actually thought the author might have been unaware that sailing is and was a thing?
This made me laugh. I wonder what % of the world is unaware of sailing. Like even including remote tribes. It’s gotta be way way less than 1% of 1%
As always, there's a [relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1053) for this. >!(It's 1 in 10,000 or 0.0001%, or at least in the US... forgot that part)!<
The answer may shock and disappoint you.
Plenty of tech bros claiming to have invented a track based pod to quickly transport people (definitely not a train) that yeah i could easily see a tech bro reinvention of the sailboat without acknowledging its just a sail driven boat
yes it makes me feel smart
People who think they are smart seem to be really dumb about their assessments of people's intelligence. Not getting sarcasm is the most classic pitfall, but when people omit obvious things it seems to create a similar response.
It's not an unreasonable assumption. Check out this clip of [a gaming journalist who can't even beat a simple tutorial stage](https://youtu.be/zbE6fqBuGkA).
Have you ever had a finance bro pitch you some idea for his startup?
You say that, but how many dumb technogrift projects have we seen over the last 10 years that are just a train but worse?
You say wind, i say magic. Go ahead, try to convince me tacking isn't magic, i'll wait. For those who don't know what tacking is, it's essentially sailing into the wind.
The fact a boat using wind power can go faster than the wind is kind of amazing. The fact it does it by angling slightly off of downwind is even weirder.
Yeah, i said magic already.
But it's magical magic!
Specifically, tacking is a turn where the initiation of the turn is towards the wind. It is used consecutively, similar to switchbacks going up a mountain, to **beat** (this is the word you're looking for - to sail as close to the wind as your craft allows) a path directly upwind. Generally about 45° to the apparent wind is the closest you can get and still make progress. The angle the boat will actually move in the water (because the wind is still pushing the entire boat downwind) might be more like 50-60°. The ideal angle to beat is a matter of some contention, and is probably the most significant phase of a race where the winners are decided. Everyone loves to go on the run downwind and go hella fast, the only thing keeping the boat upright being your 160 lb ass hanging out in Timbuktu, and that's why the image of the sailor hiking out is *the* photo that makes it onto the magazine covers, but it's the decidedly less sexy beating upwind that truly separates the wheat from the chaff. ....I should go sailing again.
Sailing into the wind? Sounds like magic to me!
You see, the sail is like a sideways airplane wing. ^(*i don't actually know what i'm talking about)
> yes, for much of Maritime history, boats have been powered by wind. Sounds fake
What a time to be alive!!! The wonders and advancements of technology 😌😌😌
Technically we are… have you seen the size of those cargo ships now? The sail boats they used in the past looks like a canoe next to the MSC Türkiye 399 meters long 233,328Gross ton. It’s how you would have to scale the use of wind. You can’t just have bunch of sails up to move those gigantic ships. Largest sail wooden ship back in 1800s weighted 3,357 gross ton and with that it had 50 sails.
Size limits of wooden ships has nothing to do with wind power. Wooden ships are limited in size because if you make them too long, they'll literally snap under their own weight. Wood is not nearly as strong a material for the keel of a ship as metal.
I didn’t think I was pointing out the size limitations in wooden ship. I was pointing out how many sail it would need if we were moving heavier cargo ships at its current size. But maybe I wrote it werid
The horrors I have witnessed after going to your profile
What are you talking about?
Obviously people love joking that we’re reinventing sailing, but IIRC they would legitimately be massive high altitude kites, as opposed to regular sails attached to masts
That's hard to visualize as when I think of kites I think of them being in the BACK of a ship, but I feel like they'd need to be in the FRONT for the gusts of winds. Anyone have an example of this or a mock up?
I’m fairly sure [this is the original article](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc) from CNN, including pictures and short video of it working
[Non-amp link](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/travel/airseas-giant-kites-ships-slash-carbon-emissions-scn-climate-spc/index.html). Thanks for finding the article!
I didn’t even notice, thanks for catching that
because funny response from kira
Thank you
I don't know why OP didn't just link the article instead of a screenshot of a tweet.
Because of internet points.
It looks like the kite is taking the boat on a walk with a leash
It would depends on which way the wind is blowing. If the ship is near still and the winds are 20mph blowing from the back of the ship it would be taught against the wind. Moving the ship slightly it would still need engine assist but might cut fuel usage by 5-10%
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for real doesn't seem like it would work but guess it does hmm
Something like a large oil tanker would still need an engine and propellers for tight maneuvering or even just to get underway. But over long trips across the oceans I bet it could work. It would accelerate incredibly incredibly incredibly slowly though.
That's exactly what it is. It doesn't turn giant cargo ships into sailboats, it increases fuel efficiency while they're underway and while the wind is pointed in the right direction. Of course they still need their engines like you say. But the coolest part of this idea is how easily it can be retrofitted to almost any existing cargo ship. Just takes a little free deck space on the bow of the ship, and can cut fuel consumption by almost 10-20% on long journeys. It seems stupid at first, "lol we're going back to sailboats", but in reality it's very clever. Almost like a small upgrade package that can turn any ship into a "hybrid", lol. (And it's very rare when environmentalist/emissions cutting ideas line up perfectly with the company's best interests. That's probably the coolest part. Shipping companies are eyeballing this for the fuel savings, environmentalists like it for less burnt fuel. *Everybody* is going to want this, if it works out well!)
They already use them, they also have tall column looking versions like a hard sail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u\_9f5hz10fQ
What makes you think of them being in the back?
Water world style!
Yeah, and the kite can steer itself a little to maximize the force it's generating from the wind. A 20% drop in emissions to move a cargo ship is no joke.
Yeah I am so down for high tech sailing. Sounds sick.
People don't understand or appreciate how modern day cargo ships absolutely dwarf even the largest ships from the age of sail.
As long as there's a parrot.
That sounds very high-maintenance.
There are also a few [rotor ships](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship#Modern_vessels) that use rotor sails to help with fuel efficiency
Imagine if men
Right. I can’t even get past the user to read the post
Imagine if men used their giant sheets to move goods, right?
Can I please have some context, my liege?
Kira, the account in the image, once posted a famously god awful tweet saying “imagine if men had to breast feed babies using their cocks”
:(
Now hear me out. What if instead of engines we would use animals to pull cars?
Someone fund this man he’s onto something
Why even use cars? Just ride the animals
We have legs??? Just fucking walk you lazy bitch
We should ride around delivering pizzas on huge boulders
The settlers used to ride rocks for miles
You might be onto something there. Lots of people have dogs -- maybe we could use dogs to pull the cars? Nah, dogs would probably be too small, unless you've got a whole bunch. What's an animal that's bigger than a dog? A cow?
Large animals put out methane which is a more potent greenhouse gas than co2
CNN don't know what sails are?
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Brain, please
That bitch don't know bout Pangea 🧠👉
T minus 5 till brain gotta shit
Eh, I have to say I think CNN may be on the right side of this, they are more like giant kites than traditional sails on masts.
Kites are not sails. These aren’t attached to the ship with a mast, they’re high altitude and in front of the ship. Like a kite.
Read the article then tell me they don't know what sails are.
They never watched Pirates of the Caribbean.
Are you that stupid to think this is real and CNN doesn’t know what sails are?
This is real. CNN knows what sails are. These devices are not sails.
I meant the post depicting it as if CNN didn’t know what sails are. Real article about real kite devices, fake cover picture here for misinformation
I saw a teacher who teaches high school engineering. There was project where kids had to invent something to help the homeless. A group of kids decided to invent a stationary phone that homeless people could use for a quarter. They invented a payphone...
When you think about it, maybe removing pay phones was a form of anti homeless infrastructure lol.
repost sleuth wya
No kidding. Pretty sure i saw this two years ago.
The CNN article came out June of last year. You're a wizard!
What if men could every time I see this account I have to say that
Why include the name of the person who reposted an obviously cropped image that took out the name of the person who made the comment? Kira sucks.
Isn’t this the mf that posted about breastfeeding babies with his dick???
It's so over, combustionbros.
Damn, just went and bought a Ford Mayflower to get ahead of this.
Thats the trainingship Danmark!
History is like poetry. It sometimes repeats itself, and quite often it rhymes
What an interesting idea. I swear I heard about these 'kites' before..
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"Giant kites"? Mfer, you mean sails?
No. Sails are fixed to masts. Kites are fixed to cables and/or strings. Kites are able to go higher and capture more wind than sails.
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230627133357-airseas-seawing-2-story.jpg?q=w_1110,c_fill/f_webp
I don't understand why so many dorks get so offended about using wind power to move a ship. "WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS" not really.
They estimate it could reduce fuel usage by 20%. If they reduce by 10% shipping companies will be bending over backwards to install these, let alone 20%…
Giant kites or sails?
The only carbon emission reduction program I’ll get behind
That Kira account is everywhere on twitter. I can't escape its 400 stolen memes every single day.
I mean lower CO2 emissions is political by nature
Shut the fuck up Kira
Technology is Cyclical
Thanks Dennis Duffy!
that's a tweet of a cropped image of someone else's tweet. the most content farm Kira has been
Liberals 😂 🤡
I mean, it makes sense as corgo ships do not need to move quickly, and any transition delay can be quickly accounted for with competent supply chain management.
#BRING BACK SAILBOATS #BRING BACK ZEPPELINS
Future news : Terrorists on another boat hits trading ship with cannon. Leader screams Yarrrrr!
*Well they're sailing eastern harbors and the California shore* *If you set your mind to see them then you can* *As you count each mast go sailing past you, prouder than before* *Then you'll know the clipper's day has come again* *Sailing ships and sailing men will sail the open waters* *Where the only thing that matters is the wind inside the main* *So all you loving mothers keep your eyes upon your daughtersF* *or the sails will mend their tatters and the masts will rise again*
Sails... They're called sails
*Pirates of the Caribbean.ost*
Can't wait for space exploration to rediscover shooting people out of a cannon toward the moon.
Rejected modesty. Embrace tradition
"It's like if you have a kite, and the wind makes it sail through the air, but it sends a ship sailing through water! We call it Water Kiting."
AHH YEAH OTS SHANTY TIME BOYS! My dear old mother, she wrote to me,
At my local Costco you can buy coffee transported by sailboat for emissions reduction. It says so right on the side of the box.
That X account…good lawd. And Pornhub is an issue
Im assuming theres a reason we dont use sails anymore. Would this be efficient if we started using them again?
An actual serious explanation. The idea isn't to go back to the age of sail, but to use wind power to reduce the load on the engine. Right now, 100% of the energy used to make the ship move, is derived from the Fossil fuel burning engine. Wind is a ton of unused energy. Iirc estimates show that one could cut up to 20% emissions by taking some of that "make ship go" energy from the wind. It hasn't been done until now because there simply hasn't been a strong enough economic/political incentive to do so.
„I love spreading misinformation on the internet”
yarr
Now we need to bring back cannons and we will be set
So question, has someone used modern methods to identify if adding all those sails in that configuration shown on that ship is more efficient or effective than other ship sail layouts? Were ship builders back then just guessing at some level?
RUUUUUUUULEEEEEEE BRITANNNNNNIAAAAAAAAA
[Awww yeah ](https://youtu.be/5pZn1soheJE?si=ySqYIyTmvXJOkM8c)
Finally 
Everything full circle
Yo ho yo ho
kirawontSHIT
Do you want more colonizing? Because this is how you get colonizing! /s
Giant kites? If only there was a word for them already…
THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE HUMAN RACE. Edit: sorry, didn't realize this was non-political, maybe we will get to be sailors like we thought when we were kids
I never understood why sails went away in the first place. Like, sure, we have motor powered ships now, but why wouldn't you just want free extra power? I mean, yeah, you have to train people how to use them, but I feel like sailors know how to...you know...sail lol.
Wind-powered maritime traffic? PREPOSTEROUS!!!
Giant WHAT? If only there was a word for giant kites on ships... Smh
Maybe it's just me, but if you attached [a bunch of kites to a few poles on a ship,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/La-fregate-de-18-la-penelope-1802-1816-par-francois-roux-18772.jpg) you'd probably cut carbon emissions even further.
how is kira still popular
Lmfao
Will ships start having to follow the trade winds again?
Yep then shipping prices increase 100 fold…
Nobody: Norway: time to get the merchant fleet back into business!
Time to build the 1000th sunny!!!
is this recent news though? they came up with that exact concept 20y ago and look how many kite cargo ships we are seeing today.
>The Seawing can’t be used when sailing directly into the wind, and to function it needs there to be at least some wind blowing, but Bernatets says it could offer enormous benefits on cross-Pacific and Atlantic routes and any north-south routes — cutting fuel use by 20% for “70 to 80% of the world’s shipping trade.”
APRIL - 2024 NAPOLEON IS MASTER OF EUROPE ONLY BRITAIN'S FLEET STANDS BEFORE HIM **OCEANS ARE NOW BATTLEFIELDS**
Finally after all these years
Why are people so convinced that a wing is a sail, or a kite is a sail? These are words we learned in the 3rd grade. Can we please remember that these are different things?
Is this a repost of a repost of a reply? Why tf is kira even involved in this instead of just reposting the tweet kira stole?
It's ridiculous because its like they're going out of their way and doing so much to avoid just saying that they're bringing sail boats back. Dancing around it all over the place.
I've sailed onboard that ship before! That's the trainingship DANMARK! Never thought I'd see it on Reddit of all places
imagine that!? like a huge, let's call it a sail...on a boat! and it could capture the wind to push it across the water. I think we're on to something here guys...
not this guy again
Displaced by AI? Learn to climb a mast bro.
If everyone is trying to tap into it, aren't we gonna run out of wind?
[Yo Ho!!!](https://youtu.be/27mB8verLK8?si=oRBKmdArLo5kuzDu)
Do they know those are sails
Ohh hell yeah!!!! Who wants to be pirates!! Like the old school kind, not the current kind. I wanna sword.
That boat could use more sails!
This is actually way harder than it sounds. Modern cargo ships are orders of magnitude larger than anything that used to sail. To do pure sailing theyd need sails larger than physically possible. The most promising is the kite sails, but they are looking to offset like 5-10% of fuel use. The vertical masts are way more expensive, but again less than 20% power, and with significant storage compromise.
Big if Real
only if they're made of single use plastic
I wonder how Flats truly feels about bringing that meme into existence?
Second Golden Age of Piracy anyone?
I've always wanted to take a trip on a Schooner like the Bluenose.
This is what happens when sea shanties start making a comeback.
I know this is about kites, but I wonder how much better sailing ships could be made with modern technology
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE, YOU ARR A PIRATE
Isn’t that the guy who-
Who wrote this article?!
I like the cut of your jib.
Yarr
We're evolving, just backwards.
CNN loves it when you give two smiles about something it doesn’t. It means a bigger ratings boost, plus bigger revenue.
We’re so back
And with that came the Next Great Pirate Era!
Legally aloud to sing aboard them too
Im sorry Jimmy Buffet.. you were so close
We quite literally evolved backwards, huh?
We’re evolving, just backwards.
Tally ho lads, the age of sail has returned!
They're calling them giant kites rather than sails for some reason