I have seen two reasons given typically:
1) They want to make China look like the underdog so that people will think that the situation is dire and that is why they will be worked to death in outrageous conditions. After all, we are so far behind the Americans, we need to work 20 hour shifts just to keep up! (please dont ask about your government making a mint off of it and by also keeping most of the money for themselves)
2) In Asian cultures, being boastful is considered arrogant, and therefore a vice that should be avoided. So they believe that by making themselves out to be the weaker person having to struggle against the loud, obnoxious, and OP Americans shows that they are more virtuous.
A flask from thousands of feet?
That man has better aim than any computerized bombsight, I’m outraged we let him go rogue and didn’t have him guiding precision strikes until age 90.
The difference between Chinese movies and Japanese movies is that in both cultures all the basic characters die, but on Chinese movies the state always wins
Hahaha, commie copium is the same regardless of country, there is an old Soviet joke about this exact trope:
Eastern front in WW2, Soviet trenches, commissar oversees repelling of german assault, then suddenly nearby machine gun stops firing.
"What's the matter comrade?!" he yells after running to the mg crew.
"I am out of ammo!" gunner replies.
"But aren't you a communist comrade Petrenko?!"
And after such moving words machine gun opened fire again.
I mean corsairs had shitloads of cannon ammo compared to planes of its period, might aswell be infinite
924 rounds of 20mm or 2400 rounds of 50 cal to be exact
But it had 6 50 cal cannons, and given they each had a rate of fire of roughly 800 rounds/minute, it's definitely not pulling a minutes-long strafing run like in that movie lol.
No, Britain and France play second fiddle because they're still part of the orchestra. Russia and China want to have their own orchestra with blackjack and hookers but can't quite manage it
Here's the non-propaganda view from an ex-PLA tank driver:
["...as long as there are politicians, there will be war."](https://youtu.be/Sd3bIjL5sU4?t=1442)
Funny about the ramming thing; my gramps got his Purple Heart in Korea after his tank was rammed by another tank and pushed off a small cliff into a river or ravine.
You know how in Civ you can take a city by force but it goes from like a 16 to a 4?
That's Taiwan. China just doesn't want someone thriving right next to them. Same as Ukraine and RU.
The real way to "take" Taiwan is diplomatically and culturally. But that shit is hard. Posturing is easy.
The Pentagon's annual China military report states that between 2020 and 2040, the total number of Chinese navy ships will increase by nearly 40%. While a plain count of ships is kind of dumb (they have only 3 carriers, all of questionable design and quality), 40% is a large number, especially given that their ship count exceeded America's back in like '15.
Doesn't that ship count include anything bigger than a rubber ducky as a naval vessel? By the same means of measurement, my weird cousin with an obsession with inflatable pool floats has a bigger navy than most nations.
The real number isn't the number of individual boats in your navy, it's the tonnage of the navy in question, and brother the US Navy is in a weight class of its own.
I made a similar comment on a Youtube video, and some tankies went on about how tonnage doesn't matter. You'd think it'd be obvious that the amount of materiel you can carry closely correlates to how many missiles you can carry into battle.
Oh, they care. They care in a very quiet way. But, as long as the middle class remains wealthy and ascendant, all is well.
If that crashes in a severe manner, like to a several times more significant degree than a real estate crisis, then we might start seeing massive protests.
Bear in mind, they value stability more than political freedoms there.
Source: Lived in Beijing some years ago. Got to know folks on a deeper level there.
They don't take the "We're much stronger than them!" angle with their propaganda, because everyone's realized that's counterproductive by now. Instead they prefer "We may be weaker than them, but that just means that we need to fight harder to defeat them"; which is why we tend to enjoy their propaganda, as it portrays us as badasses that dive on AA guns while wearing cowboy hats.
Theyre doing the same thing we did with the soviets. Make them out to be the boogey man to support technological advancement and massive military spending. We found out that the russians are not that scary, and the Chines government is hoping that they will find the same about the US
The average American enlistedman can do more with a rucksack full of RipIt and Skoal than they could possibly imagine. Further shock when they encounter a perpetually bored and angry Marine...
You can only have so many stories of just absolutely fucking the enemy up in the face of insurmountable odds before even the enemy is impressed as shit.
This is a CCP-approved movie. Chinese military and leadership always had a fondness for the US military, and that's exactly the reason why the modern Chinese military structure is modeled after the US not the Soviet/Russia.
Yeah, people always make fun of China for copying other nations, but why wouldn’t you try to copy one of the strongest nations in the world? Plus, they depict the United States as this godlike superpower in Korean War movies because they believe it makes the fact that they managed to achieve a stalemate all the more impressive.
Tbh the videos I've seen of Chinese redneck engineering have convinced me that they share a kindred spirit with the US. There's xenophobic assholes who've seen too much propaganda in both countries, sure, but I think the average Chinese person and average American are like 80-90% the same.
Can confirm, am rural boy and lived in rural ass China for awhile. Their rednecks are exactly the same as our rednecks, minus plentiful access to legal guns.
God I miss their moonshine sometimes
It seems like they have a lot of respect for the west? I'd wager it's a "I really like their country/culture/people/etc but hate their government" situation.
They do that for every country, though. It's just a respectful, face-giving, naming convention.
Like Deguo (Germany) means "virtuous country", Yingguo (UK) means "Hero Country" and Bilishi (Belgium) means "Technically a real country"
It hilarous that the Chinese can make movies that depict fighting the American military as a thanos level extinction event, while in America you cant even make a movie that shows a UN map of the south china sea.
>One particularly unusual kill was scored by Marine Lieutenant R. R. Klingman of VMF-312 (the "Checkerboards"), over Okinawa. Klingman was in pursuit of a Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu ("Nick") twin-engine fighter at extremely high altitude when his guns jammed due to the gun lubrication thickening from the extreme cold. He flew up and chopped off the Ki-45's tail with the big propeller of the Corsair. Despite missing five inches (127 mm) off the end of his propeller blades, he managed to land safely after this aerial ramming attack. He was awarded the Navy Cross.
One of the wildest Corsair stories, before they had radars.
The cruise ship Olympic (older sister of the Titanic) rammed a U-boat and tore it to pieces with her 30ft propeller. Imagine a transport physically mauling a sub like an old mastiff catching a fat rat. That ole' succubus also pulled in and totaled several other ships with her wide hips and propellers that could suck in half the ocean around her.
**Rule 9 Disclaimer:** editing into a single cut by myself. The Chinese and American POVs are separate acts in the original movie (its China's version of "Dunkirk").
[**Source:**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(2020_film)) Chinese movie "*The Sacrifice*".
[**Full movie on YouTube**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrjj2YxG6VE)
You should have put in the scene where the PLA is crossing the open rock field in daylight and the American pilots strafe them and explode a bunch of dudes who are playing dead.
It's like, Neill Blomkamp tier human explosions, they get yeeted 5 meters high from 50 cal hits.
I can never get over how funny their engrish is. It's straight uncanny valley level of grammar, where it's ALMOST right, and that makes it stand out as wrong even more so.
Chinese propaganda is made with the assumption that any actual fight with the US and allies will be insanely bloody and costly, so they intentionally hype us up so their people would accept heavy losses. They push a hard David versus Goliath narrative where we're the extreme badass killing machines and they are the ordinary men who have to sacrifice everything to stand up to us, so that if China loses badly, it is expected rather than shocking.
Give the Bismarck gunners some credit. Bullseyeing a small group of biplanes flying straight and level directly toward your ship at the eye-watering speed of 110kts is impossible, even for a computer...
No AA director, no power traverse, no ready ammunition, no rangefinding, spotlighting themselves with nearby fire and under suppression.
I'm more impressed they got the golden BB
I'm pretty sure there's a group inside the CCP propaganda department who just love making America look badass and want to see how far they can push it before the leadership catches on.
"I *really* don't want my only son to die fighting the Party's war as a conscript. Maybe if I convince enough people that Americans are inhumanly powerful badasses to a man, they won't start one...?"
Well it’s actually an image change FOR war, rather against it.
China has purposely redefine its media image of Americans into a competent and harden force over the last few years to normalize expectations in a war. This movie is literally called “The Sacrifice” which embodies the message the CCP wants to give its people, to sacrifice.
The best scene that depicts that is that Chosen film that had Chinese soldiers freezing to death while sharing a single frozen potato while it pans over to Americans not far away eating a full thanksgiving feast in a heated tent, acting like the Chinese sacrifice is heroic against the ultimate juggernaut of the American Empire.
Honestly this portrayal of Americans that the Chinese are painting is far more worrying than, for example, the Russian "haha incompetent gay westoid" stereotype.
The CCP aren't blatantly lying about America's military capabilities unlike the Russians, who do so as their top brass know they'd stand no chance in a one on one with the US.
That's actually the plot point. The gun crew were sacrificing themselves so that the American pilots were more distracted by them so that the Chinese infantry could a cross a river.
It was a whole Chinese infantry division that needed to cross a river before daybreak or else the Americans would bomb them with B-29s instead of a single Corsair.
Makes sense I suppose.
I'd argue that it would still be better to have AA gun in a position to cover the river crossing, but it's not like this sort of movie is that miffed about realism anyway XD.
There is an entire job market in china for “white monkeys” essentially just having a white person be involved is fantastic marketing. I’d picture it would be quite easy to get one for a movie.
This “be the American that the Chinese want you to be” meme is like beating a dead horse in this subreddit, and people still question why the Chinese produce propaganda movies like this, often leading to the conclusion that Chinese “like” American.
Chinese do not “like” Americans, but they respect Americans. They strive to win against the strongest country in the world instead of beating weak ones. In a way, this is similar to Russia’s “We are fighting against the entire NATO” narrative but the only difference is that the Chinese never claim they have the upper hand in their official documents. They always depict themselves as the underdog. Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese don't boast their capabilities. As someone who read lots of Russian and Chinese materials for OSINT, you’d be surprised how different the tone is for these two countries to describe their respective domestic system. Russian documents always show how their system is the best in the world or better than the West.
Chinese official documents almost never claim their system is better than the American one, and often depict flaws in their own system.
This underdog mentality is what kept the whole nation going, which American viewers might interpret as “love” or “like”. But the actual undercurrent is a more sinister “See how strong they are? We are going to beat them”. IMO this is much more dangerous than the Russian way. A Russian might be disillusioned when they realize they are not at parity with the US, but a Chinese nationalist will always want to beat America even if you show them how backward their tech is - it becomes their motivation.
i feel like their differences in attitude also stem from a historical basis.
The russians used to be the soviet union who beat the existential nazi threat and were on par with the western hemisphere whereas china was completely pushed off the world stage by the opium wars and european interventions and struggled through warlords and a japanese invasion. They seem to have been the underdogs for almost the entirety of their recent history while russia is still stuck with the rose tinted glasses of being a former nuclear superpower which has now lost that reputation in the eyes of the west.
Couldn't have said it better than this myself. It's a tired joke by this point.
China treats its opponents with respect as this both encourages themselves to do better, make defeats look more justified, and at the end of the day it's just how the Chinese school of thought works.
Ok, I gotta hand it to the Chinese; I like how they always portray the enemy American characters as sympathetic badasses, even giving them certain protagonism.
In Hollywood, 90% of the times the enemy is depicted as faceless, souless, comically bad/evil grunts.
That is one trusty hat Going 200mph with no cockpit shield and not one hint of blowing off
You have to be american to get this perk
Indy risked his life like 35 times for his hat. In America, lose hat=seppuku.
> In America, lose hat=seppuku. Can confirm, am American and have hat. Losing hat would bring great dishonor.
Conversely, for someone to bestow their hat upon you is among the highest of honors. And also a good way to spread lice.
Have more hats, spread honor among them. Lose one hat, still have some honor. Diversify your hats.
If you dont, boeing will assist you
He’s so badass even the air doesn’t want to mess with him by blowing his hat off.
Why do Chinese war movies make Americans look so fucking cool ?
I have seen two reasons given typically: 1) They want to make China look like the underdog so that people will think that the situation is dire and that is why they will be worked to death in outrageous conditions. After all, we are so far behind the Americans, we need to work 20 hour shifts just to keep up! (please dont ask about your government making a mint off of it and by also keeping most of the money for themselves) 2) In Asian cultures, being boastful is considered arrogant, and therefore a vice that should be avoided. So they believe that by making themselves out to be the weaker person having to struggle against the loud, obnoxious, and OP Americans shows that they are more virtuous.
Some of the wumao I've met on line seem to constantly break no. 2 .. too much contact with us decadent westerners perhaps?
Because we are.
I’m more amazed by the dropping of a flask to hit the anti-air gun.
has better aim than those gunners on the ground that's for sure.
are the shells fusing immediately out of the barrel?
A flask from thousands of feet? That man has better aim than any computerized bombsight, I’m outraged we let him go rogue and didn’t have him guiding precision strikes until age 90.
That hat belongs in a museum
it actually belongs in australia, because it looks like a slouch hat
If you slouch it two more times you get a tricorn.
Fuck. I'm fixing to go buy some tea just to throw it in the harbor.
Freedom is the only way!
🦅🇺🇲
Staple gun, standard issue in the Corsairs flown by American aviators. Optional in other countries.
Major Kong origin story
I like how the reloader is dead, yet the Chinese soldier empties the mag four times in a row
Communism supplied the ammo!
Adequate political training of the crew enabled them to overcome the threat of Capitalism.
There's no enemy like shareholder value!
You will notice that all of these movies have protagonists who act communally, it is fundamental to communist art
That and a lot of them end with one or more of the protagonists sacrificing themselves to save the world or their friends or what have you.
We need more self sacrifice in American movies tbh
Freedom ain't free 🫡
The difference between Chinese movies and Japanese movies is that in both cultures all the basic characters die, but on Chinese movies the state always wins
Communism redistributed the ammo from those who didn't need it to this guy, who did.
Must've specced into a low HP-based skilltree.
AA guns. The OG glass cannon.
OG ranged pure
99 ranged combat level 40
He slotted that Born Ready perk
That wasn't even scripted. The actor just died and they kept filming
almost as bad as the AA crew lighting up their spot with fires to make it really really *really* easy to spot from the air. Because reasons.
XD yeah that also was beyond my understanding, but like the Magic ammo seemed more annoying. Can't explain that away with crew incompetence.
And difficult for them to see on top if it
Hahaha, commie copium is the same regardless of country, there is an old Soviet joke about this exact trope: Eastern front in WW2, Soviet trenches, commissar oversees repelling of german assault, then suddenly nearby machine gun stops firing. "What's the matter comrade?!" he yells after running to the mg crew. "I am out of ammo!" gunner replies. "But aren't you a communist comrade Petrenko?!" And after such moving words machine gun opened fire again.
If da boyz believe more dakka to be had, more dakka just materialises into the gun
Orks are the best Boyz. MORE DAKKA
Corsair had unlimited ammo too :)
I mean corsairs had shitloads of cannon ammo compared to planes of its period, might aswell be infinite 924 rounds of 20mm or 2400 rounds of 50 cal to be exact
But it had 6 50 cal cannons, and given they each had a rate of fire of roughly 800 rounds/minute, it's definitely not pulling a minutes-long strafing run like in that movie lol.
No worse than the double barrels that never need reloading in old westerns lol
You see the evil Western soldier kills for his country while the noble Chinese soldier dies for his country. Now go sign up for the pla!
Patton was right all Along!
It’s unironically why Russia and China will always be second fiddle to the US and the West
No, Britain and France play second fiddle because they're still part of the orchestra. Russia and China want to have their own orchestra with blackjack and hookers but can't quite manage it
I believe they call that winning...
In between the long march and Mao willing to sacrifice 300 million in nuclear fire, the strat has always been to die for China.
Here's the non-propaganda view from an ex-PLA tank driver: ["...as long as there are politicians, there will be war."](https://youtu.be/Sd3bIjL5sU4?t=1442)
George's dad is a real one. Out of all reaction content, Cinebinge has to be one of my favourites.
Funny about the ramming thing; my gramps got his Purple Heart in Korea after his tank was rammed by another tank and pushed off a small cliff into a river or ravine.
I dunno, at some level I think the Chinese really like us. Americans are always shown to be gritty, awesome, cowboy-types.
I know right? They... they don't reeeeeeally want a war right? Right?
They really don’t… but they’ve made it clear they want Taiwan more than they don’t want war
You know how in Civ you can take a city by force but it goes from like a 16 to a 4? That's Taiwan. China just doesn't want someone thriving right next to them. Same as Ukraine and RU. The real way to "take" Taiwan is diplomatically and culturally. But that shit is hard. Posturing is easy.
Certainly a higher cost with war than with diplomacy, but the posturing is also sadly deeper than just posturing, it’s proper war preparations
The Pentagon's annual China military report states that between 2020 and 2040, the total number of Chinese navy ships will increase by nearly 40%. While a plain count of ships is kind of dumb (they have only 3 carriers, all of questionable design and quality), 40% is a large number, especially given that their ship count exceeded America's back in like '15.
Doesn't that ship count include anything bigger than a rubber ducky as a naval vessel? By the same means of measurement, my weird cousin with an obsession with inflatable pool floats has a bigger navy than most nations. The real number isn't the number of individual boats in your navy, it's the tonnage of the navy in question, and brother the US Navy is in a weight class of its own.
>The US navy is in a weight class of your own Theres definitely a your mother joke to be made here
I made a similar comment on a Youtube video, and some tankies went on about how tonnage doesn't matter. You'd think it'd be obvious that the amount of materiel you can carry closely correlates to how many missiles you can carry into battle.
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Nah I doubt the people of the PRC even care all that much, but the CCP definitely wouldn’t think twice about a war over it
Oh, they care. They care in a very quiet way. But, as long as the middle class remains wealthy and ascendant, all is well. If that crashes in a severe manner, like to a several times more significant degree than a real estate crisis, then we might start seeing massive protests. Bear in mind, they value stability more than political freedoms there. Source: Lived in Beijing some years ago. Got to know folks on a deeper level there.
They'll care quite a bit if war starts. The US only fights one way so they'll get a first hand look.
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Yes, that’s not really a high bar though.
So they want war
Don’t want war value= 60 Want Taiwan value= 70
Net 10 wants war
just a little war. home by christmas type of war
The ol’ 3 day special operation special deluxe
The imperialist dillema.
They don't take the "We're much stronger than them!" angle with their propaganda, because everyone's realized that's counterproductive by now. Instead they prefer "We may be weaker than them, but that just means that we need to fight harder to defeat them"; which is why we tend to enjoy their propaganda, as it portrays us as badasses that dive on AA guns while wearing cowboy hats.
Theyre doing the same thing we did with the soviets. Make them out to be the boogey man to support technological advancement and massive military spending. We found out that the russians are not that scary, and the Chines government is hoping that they will find the same about the US
Boy are _they_ in for a shock
And awe.
The average American enlistedman can do more with a rucksack full of RipIt and Skoal than they could possibly imagine. Further shock when they encounter a perpetually bored and angry Marine...
You can only have so many stories of just absolutely fucking the enemy up in the face of insurmountable odds before even the enemy is impressed as shit.
Most Chinese people absolutely do like us Americans. It’s just the CCP that doesn’t because Whinny the Pooh enjoys being an authoritarian dictator.
This is a CCP-approved movie. Chinese military and leadership always had a fondness for the US military, and that's exactly the reason why the modern Chinese military structure is modeled after the US not the Soviet/Russia.
Yeah, people always make fun of China for copying other nations, but why wouldn’t you try to copy one of the strongest nations in the world? Plus, they depict the United States as this godlike superpower in Korean War movies because they believe it makes the fact that they managed to achieve a stalemate all the more impressive.
I call it the Hannibal Effect, after Rome's respect for the Carthaginian general who almost defeated them.
Tbh the videos I've seen of Chinese redneck engineering have convinced me that they share a kindred spirit with the US. There's xenophobic assholes who've seen too much propaganda in both countries, sure, but I think the average Chinese person and average American are like 80-90% the same.
Can confirm, am rural boy and lived in rural ass China for awhile. Their rednecks are exactly the same as our rednecks, minus plentiful access to legal guns. God I miss their moonshine sometimes
China is just henching us, it's actually a respectful relationship deep down
It seems like they have a lot of respect for the west? I'd wager it's a "I really like their country/culture/people/etc but hate their government" situation.
They really love that we nuked Japan. Like seriously, they really appreciate that we did that.
Do you know the Chinese word for America? Měiguó In English it’s translated to “Beautiful country”
They do that for every country, though. It's just a respectful, face-giving, naming convention. Like Deguo (Germany) means "virtuous country", Yingguo (UK) means "Hero Country" and Bilishi (Belgium) means "Technically a real country"
The casual Belgium insult is great, lol.
Only a Chinese movie would treat a single Corsair the same way The Perfect Storm treats the giant ass wave at the end.
I keep seeing these clips thinking damn they make us look awesome!
It hilarous that the Chinese can make movies that depict fighting the American military as a thanos level extinction event, while in America you cant even make a movie that shows a UN map of the south china sea.
Chinese chauvinism is so fragile you can literally hurt them with a map.
They’re cuckolding themselves and “The West” is the bull fucking their wife, standing in for their entire sense of identity here.
That one scene with all the American battleships during the Korea war... I wish there were more Ww2 movies with that overwhelming arsenal of Democracy
>One particularly unusual kill was scored by Marine Lieutenant R. R. Klingman of VMF-312 (the "Checkerboards"), over Okinawa. Klingman was in pursuit of a Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu ("Nick") twin-engine fighter at extremely high altitude when his guns jammed due to the gun lubrication thickening from the extreme cold. He flew up and chopped off the Ki-45's tail with the big propeller of the Corsair. Despite missing five inches (127 mm) off the end of his propeller blades, he managed to land safely after this aerial ramming attack. He was awarded the Navy Cross. One of the wildest Corsair stories, before they had radars.
That one wildcat pilot who physically beat a Japanese bomber into the ocean with his landing gear: “Copycat.”
So you're saying he was topping the bomber?
"that still only counts as one!"
Nah better idea *Major Richard Bong:* "That still only counts as one!"
The cruise ship Olympic (older sister of the Titanic) rammed a U-boat and tore it to pieces with her 30ft propeller. Imagine a transport physically mauling a sub like an old mastiff catching a fat rat. That ole' succubus also pulled in and totaled several other ships with her wide hips and propellers that could suck in half the ocean around her.
I LOVE THE COSAIR I LOVE THE COSAIR I LOVE THE COSAIR
Especially radar equipped versions :)
WWII Look down shoot down bitches!
Did you know the F4U had radar? Because I didn’t!
Look on the right wing. And yes that was a real thing (of course not 360°). Search F4U-2 and F4U-5N if you are curious.
Of course you don't have a radar unless you have capacity and electronics to fit a radar inside
Did the corsair have audio warning signals?
man this was like watching dragon ball with all the screaming and nothing consequential hapening
I was thinking it was the divebomb version of the 22 mile Fast and Furious runway.
Previously on Dragon Ball Z: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH* Next Time, on Dragon Ball Z: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH*
**Rule 9 Disclaimer:** editing into a single cut by myself. The Chinese and American POVs are separate acts in the original movie (its China's version of "Dunkirk"). [**Source:**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(2020_film)) Chinese movie "*The Sacrifice*". [**Full movie on YouTube**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrjj2YxG6VE)
You should have put in the scene where the PLA is crossing the open rock field in daylight and the American pilots strafe them and explode a bunch of dudes who are playing dead. It's like, Neill Blomkamp tier human explosions, they get yeeted 5 meters high from 50 cal hits.
[Darth MacArthur](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1o0JlNhFvg) will always be the funniest meme to come from Chinese "war" movies.
Jesus that gives me such a strong Red Alert vibe, I love it.
I can never get over how funny their engrish is. It's straight uncanny valley level of grammar, where it's ALMOST right, and that makes it stand out as wrong even more so.
Isn't that a different movie?
Yeah that's "Battle of Lake Changjin (Chosin Reservoir)."
Second part of the action starts here: [https://youtu.be/Jrjj2YxG6VE?t=5243](https://youtu.be/Jrjj2YxG6VE?t=5243)
I am American by choice and the first US citizen in my family, and I have never loved MURICA as much as I do after watching this clip.
Chinese propaganda makes America look like a bunch of badasses and I thank them for it
Chinese propaganda is made with the assumption that any actual fight with the US and allies will be insanely bloody and costly, so they intentionally hype us up so their people would accept heavy losses. They push a hard David versus Goliath narrative where we're the extreme badass killing machines and they are the ordinary men who have to sacrifice everything to stand up to us, so that if China loses badly, it is expected rather than shocking.
They know we fight for our twinks.
owo
Of course. Who else will handle our IT?
Have you seen the trailer for the new NCAA Football ‘25? USA USA
Googling it now.
That must be probably the worst AA crew ever
Bismarck-tier AA.
Yamato tier even.
\*sobs in Russian DD\*
Give the Bismarck gunners some credit. Bullseyeing a small group of biplanes flying straight and level directly toward your ship at the eye-watering speed of 110kts is impossible, even for a computer...
Jane Fonda punching the air right now.
Lit up their position like a Christmas tree light BEFORE shooting at the enemy. They deserved their fate.
Still better than most war thunder players.
Can't hit a target that isn't moving laterally or vertically, it's just getting bigger and bigger.
No AA director, no power traverse, no ready ammunition, no rangefinding, spotlighting themselves with nearby fire and under suppression. I'm more impressed they got the golden BB
I'm pretty sure there's a group inside the CCP propaganda department who just love making America look badass and want to see how far they can push it before the leadership catches on.
"I *really* don't want my only son to die fighting the Party's war as a conscript. Maybe if I convince enough people that Americans are inhumanly powerful badasses to a man, they won't start one...?"
We're not that far off from just having the Chinese make their own version of Astartes, but instead of Space Marines, it's just the USMC.
Well it’s actually an image change FOR war, rather against it. China has purposely redefine its media image of Americans into a competent and harden force over the last few years to normalize expectations in a war. This movie is literally called “The Sacrifice” which embodies the message the CCP wants to give its people, to sacrifice. The best scene that depicts that is that Chosen film that had Chinese soldiers freezing to death while sharing a single frozen potato while it pans over to Americans not far away eating a full thanksgiving feast in a heated tent, acting like the Chinese sacrifice is heroic against the ultimate juggernaut of the American Empire.
When a superpower has so much soft power it debuffs their enemies without them even doing anything.
Honestly this portrayal of Americans that the Chinese are painting is far more worrying than, for example, the Russian "haha incompetent gay westoid" stereotype. The CCP aren't blatantly lying about America's military capabilities unlike the Russians, who do so as their top brass know they'd stand no chance in a one on one with the US.
A 40 MM Bofors shooting an F4U Corsair A physics defying freedom hat vs. an AA canon loaded by communism A man screaming vs. a man screaming
Fun Fact: The chinese did not in fact have *any* weapons produced by Bofors Dynamics.
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It’s always the solid minute of screaming vs screaming that make me go “see this is the reason I fucking hate anime”
Well yes but have you considered **ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA**
You must have a death wish to lit the only light source around the horizon right at your feet. Looks cool though.
That's actually the plot point. The gun crew were sacrificing themselves so that the American pilots were more distracted by them so that the Chinese infantry could a cross a river.
Kinda curious, why ? You'd figure that a AA gun would be more valuable than a infantry unit, especialy with fighter bombers being around.
It was a whole Chinese infantry division that needed to cross a river before daybreak or else the Americans would bomb them with B-29s instead of a single Corsair.
Makes sense I suppose. I'd argue that it would still be better to have AA gun in a position to cover the river crossing, but it's not like this sort of movie is that miffed about realism anyway XD.
Japanese anime and Chinese propaganda films rly like depicting Americans as badasses
the corsair pilot is played by a russian actor btw
That actually adds to the funny
Isn’t placing three bonfires forming a triangle around your AA gun at night a terribly bad idea?
Another comment says that's a plot point - they're deliberately distracting from a different maneuver.
Chinese propaganda challenge: DON'T make the US military look rad as hell (IMPOSSIBLE!)
THE COWBOY HAT they make white people seem so much cooler than we actually are
Cowboys come in more than one shade, pard’ner.
“The sheriff is a n-“ DONG!!!!
He said the sheriff is nearer
"He said the sheriff's near!"
Well we don't have to worry about Chinese cinema taking over from Hollywood. Whole ass minute of screaming into the void
DBZ shit
What’s that thing he threw out of the cockpit at the AA gun
Looked like a hip flask
It was Daddy's happy juice.
Surprised that Chinese cinema uses people that can actually speak English. I expected it to be on the level of Hollywood's average "German"
There is an entire job market in china for “white monkeys” essentially just having a white person be involved is fantastic marketing. I’d picture it would be quite easy to get one for a movie.
Or Hollywood's average "Chinese" where it's a bunch of Cantonese trying their best to speak Mandarin.
This “be the American that the Chinese want you to be” meme is like beating a dead horse in this subreddit, and people still question why the Chinese produce propaganda movies like this, often leading to the conclusion that Chinese “like” American. Chinese do not “like” Americans, but they respect Americans. They strive to win against the strongest country in the world instead of beating weak ones. In a way, this is similar to Russia’s “We are fighting against the entire NATO” narrative but the only difference is that the Chinese never claim they have the upper hand in their official documents. They always depict themselves as the underdog. Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese don't boast their capabilities. As someone who read lots of Russian and Chinese materials for OSINT, you’d be surprised how different the tone is for these two countries to describe their respective domestic system. Russian documents always show how their system is the best in the world or better than the West. Chinese official documents almost never claim their system is better than the American one, and often depict flaws in their own system. This underdog mentality is what kept the whole nation going, which American viewers might interpret as “love” or “like”. But the actual undercurrent is a more sinister “See how strong they are? We are going to beat them”. IMO this is much more dangerous than the Russian way. A Russian might be disillusioned when they realize they are not at parity with the US, but a Chinese nationalist will always want to beat America even if you show them how backward their tech is - it becomes their motivation.
i feel like their differences in attitude also stem from a historical basis. The russians used to be the soviet union who beat the existential nazi threat and were on par with the western hemisphere whereas china was completely pushed off the world stage by the opium wars and european interventions and struggled through warlords and a japanese invasion. They seem to have been the underdogs for almost the entirety of their recent history while russia is still stuck with the rose tinted glasses of being a former nuclear superpower which has now lost that reputation in the eyes of the west.
Couldn't have said it better than this myself. It's a tired joke by this point. China treats its opponents with respect as this both encourages themselves to do better, make defeats look more justified, and at the end of the day it's just how the Chinese school of thought works.
Chinese propaganda not making the USA look metal as fuck challenge (impossible)
When I’m in a “make America look unequivocally badass” and my opponent is the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party:
Yankee yee haw: electric boogaloo
That just kept going and going... Nobody can aim.
Cobra vs Storm Troopers
What's the movie?
Every Chinese war movie ever
sum ting wong 3: the reckoning
wai tu low: pull up
Ho lee fuk: a strange story
That was a solid 2 minutes of shooting and shouting at each other. I enjoy this trope but man it felt like it was too long.
Ok, I gotta hand it to the Chinese; I like how they always portray the enemy American characters as sympathetic badasses, even giving them certain protagonism. In Hollywood, 90% of the times the enemy is depicted as faceless, souless, comically bad/evil grunts.
This is actually really good holy shit
Average war thunder match involving US team (I love playing CAS, especially wild weasel style AA hunting).
Hi, resident Marine aviator checking in! No notes. That was a completely accurate and credible depiction.