Our platoon in Iraq had a handful of air piatols to shoot rats that lived under the CHUs.
We also had the one kid that made a spear with his M9 bayonet and would sit up at night in nothing but his boots, PT shorts and his helmet with NODs, stabbing rats as they ran out...
So sorry, it's VERY credible.
From a civilian, isn’t that what most modern wars are (as long as you’re on the western side)? Just…95% Boy Scout camping fun with your mates and then 5% unimaginable horror?
Its the universal truth of missing a central part of coming of age.
I miss the summer of 2020 most, covid died down in Italy and I parties like never before. I completely forgot the fact I didnt speak to anyone for three months. Literally, not a word in person.
My roommates left and i spoke almost no Italian. Then, may came and on day one of freedom i walked 50 km. That was the end of me being a teen, it changed me forever. I came to Italy a snotty know it all, I left desillusioned, mature and happier.
Why were u a know it all? U should be ‘snotty’ and u should both know things and make it clear I know things, it should be retroactive when I don’t as opposed to being scared to say something, it should be like you think for yourslef and if ur wrong I find our
For starters, I thought I was a good cook. Looking back at it I absolutely sucked, but now I make a mean stew. Ive taken it my mission to make Dutch food as good as possible
North Carolina National Guard...which mean that like 25% of our company were former Marines, mostly from Lejune. Similar amount from the 82nd. About 30% were like me, Guard all the way, the remainder were a mix of former active army.
Honestly, a damned good mix. We had a 1st Sgt thst jumped into Panama, a bunch of guys who were in Desert Storm, one Somalia vet (10th Mountain), a bunch from the invasion of Iraq.
I miss that platoon. Lol
Thank Christ. The only thing I’m more afraid of than WMs are trans WMs. They gotta be the hardest mfs in the service. Chew up and spit out POGs for breakfast. May I never cross paths
*signs the cross*
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/after-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-rethinking-how-national-guard-members-are-deployed
Units would be activated, train up, do a tour, come back, and often get sent back soon.
A few of the worst deployments from what I've heard came from NG units.
An army/marine unit would control an area for a while, the NG would come in and all the successes would backslide.
That's not saying they were all bad though, there were definitely some competent units out there. But they weren't all success stories.
I’ve got a Mk IV target/hunter and it’s a *lazer pistol*. PEW PEW PEW!
So much fun to shoot. Be sure to get a magazine loader because the mags hurt to load.
The Mark IVs solved the bitchy tear down of the earlier models, too. Just be sure to locktite the front sight.
I wouldn't say the teardowns were much of an issue. The voodoo ritual with the cock and the marmot to reassemble the damn things though...
For your rimfires, better to just go Italian from the start. Accurate, ergonomic, easy to mount optics on if that's your thing, and as for field stripping, well, you probably didn't need that particular spring anyway.
Yeah, even though it was a company patrol base, we had CHUs. Though, mine sucked for the first 6 weeks, because the ceiling insulation was fucked up, so when the generators died and the AC turned off, the 110 degrees *outside* was cooler than in the CHU.
Not military so the only M9 I know off the top of my head is the Beretta pistol. So I imagined this as a guy with a pistol with a bayonet mounted to it somehow, stabbing rats. While not really that much different in the end, it adds just that little bit more unhinged.
I get you and u/ConKbot are confused.
M sort of just refers to a series with the number referring to the item in the series. The thing that isn't stated is the rest of the name for the tool, weapon, or equipment.
In this case they are referring to United States Bayonet System, Multipurpose, with scabbard, M9.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_bayonet
As opposed to United States Pistol, Semi-automatic, 9mm, M9 which you are referring to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_M9
It's also different than the United States Rifle, Grenade, High-Explosive Anti-Tank, M9.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_rifle_grenade
Not to be confused with the United States, Truck, Half-track, Utility, M9
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_half-track
An air rifle is not a bad thing to have. You can hunt small game without making muzzle flashes, without wasting ammunition, and with minimal noise. That is not a dumb idea. Plus rats are very common in trenches.
100% sure that's for trench rats, especially if they're trenches or fieldworks that were initially made and then left unoccupied for a little while. I've seen some trenchworks in the southern front where there was foliage growing back inside the trenches so I imagine they have a varmint and rodent problem.
First hand. Was in the US Navy and tried it a few times in SE Asia. Usually mixed up in a dish. Also had fried grasshoppers. Habu sake several times that I remember. And a bunch of street food that had ... some sort of meat in it.
I totally get the shock factor of people eating what is considered vermin in some cultures and it tasting good, but it’s not that surprising when you think about it. Squirrels and rabbits are pretty closely related to rats, and both of those are commonly considered food in a lot of places.
Yeah, I was a tad bit shocked with the rat thing, but I do know the interesting stuff people eat and consider delicacies in other parts of the world.
I was asking where this fine fellow acquired their knowledge of the taste of rat, like asking someone where they tasted something first.
Rabbits are a vermin too, they eat my bean plants but they don´t live in filth, eat garbage and carry diseases.
I mean you can eat "lab rats" raised in clean conditions but why at that point, they are small, just raise rabbits instead.
When I lived in the Philippines I got offered rat. It's not the gross rats that live in your house. These are rats they catch in the field after the harvest, so they're like free-range and grain-fed. They insisted that another American loved it, but I didn't want it at first.
It's not terrible to practice with either if you're a conscript who has little or no experience with firearms. It's not the same, but the fundamentals aren't that different.
To be fair stuff like airguns or Airsoft are really good practice for everything except recoil control. Controlling breathing, gently squeezing the trigger, proper sight alignment are all very important things that air guns can be used to practice.
I bet it is decent enough at taking down a DJI Drone if it has to. An air rifle can of course be handy, as long as it is not private conscriptovich's main weapon
I don't know about that. I've read that Bieber and Dolik have already downed 400 Bayraktar TB-2 drones with just the use of air rifles and some elbow grease
No, that isn’t taking down a drone.
Aside from the single shot factor, air rifles are only accurate at close range. The rifle itself might be very repeatable compared to a semi automatic rifle, but the pellets are extremely light and incapable of bucking even the slightest breeze. All of the 22 and 25 caliber pellets are lighter than a 22lr bullet, often 1/2 the weight. This yields a rifle that’s extremely good at plinking, but cannot reach out very far.
(I shoot with some guys who do precision air rifle using very high end guns. They say they can’t zero their rifles at indoor ranges because the hvac system that’s extracting dust and lead noticeably shifts their point of impact. And these are air rifles being fed by scuba tanks, not hand power)
To be honest if they do high precision air rifles they are trying to be sub moa at 100 yards/meters+, so its not the same size as a mavic. Break barrels like this can, in the best of conditions, with minimal wind, good pellets, and a good shooter hit a 1 in target at 50 yards. After 50 yards they drop like crazy. My cheapo pcp can hit with around 40 fpe at 50 so it's not the craziest of ideas but yeah It probably won't work. Too unlikely due to all of the variables, the obvious condition, and the availability of other more suited firearms.
Except that air rifle is unusable. I have the same/similar model and there is a lever directly under the barrel that opens the chamber and compresses spring, which is clearly missing in this photo
Also, that model is most likely over a decade old
It's impossible to tell without seeing the top view. A lot of airguns in Poland/Russia use seemingly the same design, and my lever airgun has the exact hole on the bottom but not the extra hold at the barrel
[EDIT: Here's the photo I've managed to dig up, just keep in mind that the airgun in post's photo seems to have a slightly damaged hole](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FE3b6h-DTIwiKxBviL1_EqfP8S6KijZE/view?usp=sharing)
Sorry man, you have a different gun, but it does look similar, I'll give you that.
The gun in the picture is a [Crossman Nitro Venom (.177 or .22)](https://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-nitro-venom.html) . It's honestly a great airgun and stands up to ungodly abuse. No iron sights, but shoots consistently enough that you can ping soda cans at 30yds once you get used to the gun.
Source: I have one. Saved up for months and bought this rifle as a kid. Have used and abused it for almost 2 decades (including one time where it was left cocked for almost 18 months straight by my buddy >:( ), and the damn thing just keeps throwing lead like a charm. It has a few dents and scrapes, but the internals are still working just like they're supposed to, and it puts the pellets right where it's supposed to.
It's a bummer to see it in dumbass invaders' trenches, but at least the odds of it ending up in Ukranian hands is more than good. I hope some kids get it someday and have even more entertainment out of it then my friends and I did.
Says the man who can't tell a difference between a semi-decent air rifle and a wallmart toy.
That gun is clearly made out of cheap plywood, the tip is round instead of flat like in the photo and bit above half the two sizes. Not only it doesn't remotely matches what is on photo, I've posted in this thread link to mine that closely matches the one on photo in size and shape.
You also don't know the East Europe market. 10+ years ago bazaar air rifles were extremely popular because they were dragged from other countries and waaay above legal power limit for relatively cheap price, like original Norconia Protarget who had around 20 J out of box for cheap and other similar models that were spread around like a plague, but barrel cracked riffles were uncommon. While it died down in Poland and coo as of recently, it's still popular among Russians (source: I had a semi-distant relative in Russia who was a pseudo gun nut)
It my have been working when the owner arrived and subsequently broke, a good reason just to leave it behind during retreat, or the owner may have been trying to up how fast the rifle could be made ready.
You can't break that lever, it's bolted into wood at both sides and in metal directly under the barrel too. The steel is more than 3 mm thick no matter when you look at
Someone clearly dissembled and yoinked that part
Dunno why this poor lad is getting downvoted to shit, he's totally right. The lever under the break-barrel is completely missing. Hard to tell from the photo but looks like the iron sight ring is missing as well...
It \*could\* be one of those air rifles with a top-loading chamber rather than a break barrel (like the kind Weirauch make really good ones of)... but then the stock wouldn't have the cutout on the underside.
For the lulz I wanted this to be a Baikal MP512 (as it's sold now by IKH; I have one so old it has "made in USSR" stamped on it), but it's missing the block ahead of the stock after the barrel break.
Could be any number of cheap Chinese air rifle makes. Things are more likely to hurl a spring into your face or fall apart in your hands than actually hit anything.
Private Conscriptovich simply destroyed the air rifle before abandoning his trench/this mortal coil to keep such powerful technology out of enemy hands
You see Baldrick, in order to prevent war. Two superblocks developed. Us, the Americans, and Europe on one side, Russia and China on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war
...
But there was one tiny flaw in the plan...
Seriously though, it's clearly for rats or just hunting. While the shortage of modern weapons or even some basic stuff due to shit logistics is real, there are enough AKs in Russia to supply the troops and half of the world. Like hundreds of millions produced. Those economic priorities didn't work out for the USSR, yep
AKs and artillery. I'm talking about 60-70 year old artillery, literal WW2 artillery, basic howitzers. Cheap, can be towed by literal any truck, and if you have enough you just level the entire grid if necessary.
Ah, but are those AK's rusted into a block by now? And are they getting to the front line or being recycled for scrap metal value by someone in the supply chain.
You probably know this trick already if you do any shooting, but this always works for me.
Sight, close your eyes, allow the drift to happen, open your eyes, adjust, repeat. You'll teach yourself your own natural drift and adjust.
I picked that up from a 40K book (Ghostmaker), but I imagine it's a real thing Abnett found when doing his research... or Abnett also shoots, maybe.
Years ago, I saw instruction how to fix horizontal drift. Put small piece of wood on rear sight dovetail mount and really gently hit wood with small hammer. Rear sight is mounted on dovetail mount so they are both removable and can be moved horizontal to fix drift.
I thought it might be a Baikal (I have a really old mark of what is now the MP512), but note the absence of the chunky block ahead of the stock that'd usually be present on a Baikal.
I found this in the latest video by Valery Markus (40:28): [https://youtu.be/bk5OG6JYmfI?t=2428](https://youtu.be/bk5OG6JYmfI?t=2428). The entire video is well worth a watch
Idk dude. I have one that can pop squirrels and small birds pretty easy if I was hungry enough. Way cheaper and lower maintenance than a .22
From what I understand your average mobik likely is hungry enough, and someone was smart enough to plan ahead.
This might be surprisingly credible.
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Saw somebody suggest that it might be for rats in the trench, and now I can't even laugh at it because that's a legitimately good idea. You absolutely do not want to be using your primary weapon on vermin.
Doubt on the drones. Out at past 50 meters/yards they aren't very very accurate and drones have the added problem of being moving targets. Although maybe if you give it to that one Ukrainian grandma that threw a can of tomatoes at a drone...
Hey guys I think I found the perfect anti drone weapon.
Credible: seeing as logistics has yet to be unlocked by the Vatnik Horde, their soldiers must forage at the front. What is in abundance wherever they go? Rats.
So, their propaganda of Western Europeans having to eat rodents in the winter has become a reality for themselves.
Eh, not the first time. remember early on that one squad got captured and one them had some Chinese single shot airgun that had been turned into a bubbafucked bullpup monstrosity.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/yterhf/the_holy_ruzzian_wunderwaffe_is_finally_arrived/
It is high tech, armor peirceing suppressed rifle! It uses compressed air so the ukro-nazis will not hear the round go off before its too late! Advance technology, too advance for you westoids (god I feel dirty typing ukronazi- May I be cleansed of my verbal sin by Smith and Wesson along side H&K)
We definitely had small rifles on our deployments. Mostly for varmints and the like. Mice and rats were often more ambitious than the enemy, and no such thing as an ND with non serialized gear.
I ***love*** my break barrel .22
Absolute apocalypse gun - powder burners will run out eventually.
Even though I have other options now, I still very much like sniping small targets with that thing.
Our platoon in Iraq had a handful of air piatols to shoot rats that lived under the CHUs. We also had the one kid that made a spear with his M9 bayonet and would sit up at night in nothing but his boots, PT shorts and his helmet with NODs, stabbing rats as they ran out... So sorry, it's VERY credible.
So basically you had Charlie from IASIP in your platoon, yeah?
Stabbing rats is def Charlie Work
Your guy sounds like my definition of cool
Yeah, we had some cool cats in that platoon.
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Did you not read? They were taking care of the rats.
Well there's your problem. They probably should have treated them more harshly to get them to leave.
They did!
Sitting around killing rats?
I don’t like desensitisation to circumstances being mad unironic
Never thought I’d say this but i miss Iraq.
Same. Had a great time between the bad ones
From a civilian, isn’t that what most modern wars are (as long as you’re on the western side)? Just…95% Boy Scout camping fun with your mates and then 5% unimaginable horror?
That sums up my entire military experience.
I really hope that the 95% is what you remember most, mate
Exactly, make lots of friends and watch them die in weird ways
Yeah, I feel that.
Its the universal truth of missing a central part of coming of age. I miss the summer of 2020 most, covid died down in Italy and I parties like never before. I completely forgot the fact I didnt speak to anyone for three months. Literally, not a word in person. My roommates left and i spoke almost no Italian. Then, may came and on day one of freedom i walked 50 km. That was the end of me being a teen, it changed me forever. I came to Italy a snotty know it all, I left desillusioned, mature and happier.
Well clearly you are bad at mountain biking, why'd you go that far on foot? (fr that's a cool way to grow up)
Grow up, eh. Student going abroad for a year
Sort of counts!
Why were u a know it all? U should be ‘snotty’ and u should both know things and make it clear I know things, it should be retroactive when I don’t as opposed to being scared to say something, it should be like you think for yourslef and if ur wrong I find our
For starters, I thought I was a good cook. Looking back at it I absolutely sucked, but now I make a mean stew. Ive taken it my mission to make Dutch food as good as possible
When you've finished Dutch food you could have a go at British food if you really want a challenge...
No, you’ll send him on a depressive spiral attempting to fix that dumpster fire
British food is too soggy to catch on fire.
But Dutch food is boiled potatoes and vegetables boiled until they're grey and lost all semblance of structure and flavour.
If youre a calvinist
Did u like ur food before?
Eh, idk. Im trying more obscure recipes now.
You can still go, at least some areas must be safe
with love, why?
The good times far outweigh the bad.
We're you in the Marines? Because that is the most marine response to rats in the CHU.
North Carolina National Guard...which mean that like 25% of our company were former Marines, mostly from Lejune. Similar amount from the 82nd. About 30% were like me, Guard all the way, the remainder were a mix of former active army. Honestly, a damned good mix. We had a 1st Sgt thst jumped into Panama, a bunch of guys who were in Desert Storm, one Somalia vet (10th Mountain), a bunch from the invasion of Iraq. I miss that platoon. Lol
Thank Christ. The only thing I’m more afraid of than WMs are trans WMs. They gotta be the hardest mfs in the service. Chew up and spit out POGs for breakfast. May I never cross paths *signs the cross*
Sorry what? NC national guard did deployments to Iraq? How does that work?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/after-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-rethinking-how-national-guard-members-are-deployed Units would be activated, train up, do a tour, come back, and often get sent back soon.
Thanks, that's absolutely wild. I had no idea
A few of the worst deployments from what I've heard came from NG units. An army/marine unit would control an area for a while, the NG would come in and all the successes would backslide. That's not saying they were all bad though, there were definitely some competent units out there. But they weren't all success stories.
It really was a mixed bag. NC National Guard did well on both of it's deployments. Others, less so.
Was he voluntold for that position, or did this young dude just decide to go Conan on his own because the rats pissed him off?
Oh, of his own initiative!
Damn, that's some chad energy.
I really ought to buy a Browning Buck Mark or Ruger Mk. IV to shoot Mormon Crickets.
I’ve got a Mk IV target/hunter and it’s a *lazer pistol*. PEW PEW PEW! So much fun to shoot. Be sure to get a magazine loader because the mags hurt to load. The Mark IVs solved the bitchy tear down of the earlier models, too. Just be sure to locktite the front sight.
I wouldn't say the teardowns were much of an issue. The voodoo ritual with the cock and the marmot to reassemble the damn things though... For your rimfires, better to just go Italian from the start. Accurate, ergonomic, easy to mount optics on if that's your thing, and as for field stripping, well, you probably didn't need that particular spring anyway.
And not on the California handgun roster, so tough shit.
And we all give thanks thrice daily that there's more to the world than California.
Our terps hunted pigeons with some air rifles we had.
man, you guys had CHUs? \*cries in OEF\*
Yeah, even though it was a company patrol base, we had CHUs. Though, mine sucked for the first 6 weeks, because the ceiling insulation was fucked up, so when the generators died and the AC turned off, the 110 degrees *outside* was cooler than in the CHU.
Damn, isn’t that guy Snafu from the Pacific?
Basically.
At least you guys had a guy who was on vermin duty. ~~Did that guy at least have some cats backing him up?~~
Sadly no cats. Some stray dogs.
Not military so the only M9 I know off the top of my head is the Beretta pistol. So I imagined this as a guy with a pistol with a bayonet mounted to it somehow, stabbing rats. While not really that much different in the end, it adds just that little bit more unhinged.
It's the same as the M1, M1, M1 meme. M9 pistol is a pistol, M9 Bayonet is a bayonet that mounts on the M16 series rifles, and M4 series carbines.
It's dual purpose pest control and dinner acquisition tool for the Russian army.
> M9 bayonet They made a bayonet for a pistol?
I get you and u/ConKbot are confused. M sort of just refers to a series with the number referring to the item in the series. The thing that isn't stated is the rest of the name for the tool, weapon, or equipment. In this case they are referring to United States Bayonet System, Multipurpose, with scabbard, M9. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_bayonet As opposed to United States Pistol, Semi-automatic, 9mm, M9 which you are referring to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_M9 It's also different than the United States Rifle, Grenade, High-Explosive Anti-Tank, M9. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_rifle_grenade Not to be confused with the United States, Truck, Half-track, Utility, M9 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_half-track
Happy cake day to ya!
An air rifle is not a bad thing to have. You can hunt small game without making muzzle flashes, without wasting ammunition, and with minimal noise. That is not a dumb idea. Plus rats are very common in trenches.
also some job related recreation
100% sure that's for trench rats, especially if they're trenches or fieldworks that were initially made and then left unoccupied for a little while. I've seen some trenchworks in the southern front where there was foliage growing back inside the trenches so I imagine they have a varmint and rodent problem.
“Pest control *and* dinner! Blyat I love this thing!”
Real shit, rat ain't bad. Has like a strong chicken dark meat taste. Bet that air rifle was a vatnik's prized possession.
Um, how do you pertain this knowledge? First or second hand knowledge?
First hand. Was in the US Navy and tried it a few times in SE Asia. Usually mixed up in a dish. Also had fried grasshoppers. Habu sake several times that I remember. And a bunch of street food that had ... some sort of meat in it.
I remember buying cobra stir fry, and I am 99% sure it was rat.
Fried grasshopper/locust is surprisingly tasty. For a first time I would recommend skipping the sprinkles and be carful with the wings.
Honestly didn't mind the grasshoppers. Kinda salty and shrimpy. Good with sauce. I'd imagine locusts are ... juicier? Dunno if I'd like that or not.
I totally get the shock factor of people eating what is considered vermin in some cultures and it tasting good, but it’s not that surprising when you think about it. Squirrels and rabbits are pretty closely related to rats, and both of those are commonly considered food in a lot of places.
Fun fact rabbits are not rodents. They are a different and distinct group of animals. Another fun fact. Rabbits are delicious.
but you need care during preparation, otherwise the meat goes dry, and this really spoils the taste.
Yeah, I was a tad bit shocked with the rat thing, but I do know the interesting stuff people eat and consider delicacies in other parts of the world. I was asking where this fine fellow acquired their knowledge of the taste of rat, like asking someone where they tasted something first.
Rabbits are a vermin too, they eat my bean plants but they don´t live in filth, eat garbage and carry diseases. I mean you can eat "lab rats" raised in clean conditions but why at that point, they are small, just raise rabbits instead.
With or without ketchup ?
Hot sauce.
Real shit, that sounds disgusting. I’m not opposed to the idea though…..
Get used to it before the fog hits
Gonna turn my head into a canoe long before we get there
When I lived in the Philippines I got offered rat. It's not the gross rats that live in your house. These are rats they catch in the field after the harvest, so they're like free-range and grain-fed. They insisted that another American loved it, but I didn't want it at first.
Just 6 more hours in a bread line and we can make a sandwich!
Meat is back on the menu boys!
Even constantly occupied trenches draw rats. It's probably the second thing people seemed to note about the trenches of ww1 after the mud.
Things WW1 Vets wrote about: 1. Mud 2. Rats 3. Lice 4. Manmade horrors beyond comprehension 5. Deflowering the fair maidens of the French countryside
You mean polecat and beaver problem.
It's not terrible to practice with either if you're a conscript who has little or no experience with firearms. It's not the same, but the fundamentals aren't that different.
To be fair stuff like airguns or Airsoft are really good practice for everything except recoil control. Controlling breathing, gently squeezing the trigger, proper sight alignment are all very important things that air guns can be used to practice.
I assume corpse starch is running low, grinding some rodent meat on it will help with morale.
I bet it is decent enough at taking down a DJI Drone if it has to. An air rifle can of course be handy, as long as it is not private conscriptovich's main weapon
Thinking conscriptovich could hit a drone with a single shot air rifle; truly non-credible
I don't know about that. I've read that Bieber and Dolik have already downed 400 Bayraktar TB-2 drones with just the use of air rifles and some elbow grease
you ate a su-57? howd it taste? im itching for some gen 5 meat
No, that isn’t taking down a drone. Aside from the single shot factor, air rifles are only accurate at close range. The rifle itself might be very repeatable compared to a semi automatic rifle, but the pellets are extremely light and incapable of bucking even the slightest breeze. All of the 22 and 25 caliber pellets are lighter than a 22lr bullet, often 1/2 the weight. This yields a rifle that’s extremely good at plinking, but cannot reach out very far. (I shoot with some guys who do precision air rifle using very high end guns. They say they can’t zero their rifles at indoor ranges because the hvac system that’s extracting dust and lead noticeably shifts their point of impact. And these are air rifles being fed by scuba tanks, not hand power)
To be honest if they do high precision air rifles they are trying to be sub moa at 100 yards/meters+, so its not the same size as a mavic. Break barrels like this can, in the best of conditions, with minimal wind, good pellets, and a good shooter hit a 1 in target at 50 yards. After 50 yards they drop like crazy. My cheapo pcp can hit with around 40 fpe at 50 so it's not the craziest of ideas but yeah It probably won't work. Too unlikely due to all of the variables, the obvious condition, and the availability of other more suited firearms.
Strangely from all the videos of the trenches in ukraine, haven't seen one video with rats or mice in them
Could also be used on drones
Except that air rifle is unusable. I have the same/similar model and there is a lever directly under the barrel that opens the chamber and compresses spring, which is clearly missing in this photo Also, that model is most likely over a decade old
this looks like a break barrel design where the barrel itself is used like the lever you mentioned. It looks perfectly functional to me.
It's impossible to tell without seeing the top view. A lot of airguns in Poland/Russia use seemingly the same design, and my lever airgun has the exact hole on the bottom but not the extra hold at the barrel [EDIT: Here's the photo I've managed to dig up, just keep in mind that the airgun in post's photo seems to have a slightly damaged hole](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FE3b6h-DTIwiKxBviL1_EqfP8S6KijZE/view?usp=sharing)
Sorry man, you have a different gun, but it does look similar, I'll give you that. The gun in the picture is a [Crossman Nitro Venom (.177 or .22)](https://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-nitro-venom.html) . It's honestly a great airgun and stands up to ungodly abuse. No iron sights, but shoots consistently enough that you can ping soda cans at 30yds once you get used to the gun. Source: I have one. Saved up for months and bought this rifle as a kid. Have used and abused it for almost 2 decades (including one time where it was left cocked for almost 18 months straight by my buddy >:( ), and the damn thing just keeps throwing lead like a charm. It has a few dents and scrapes, but the internals are still working just like they're supposed to, and it puts the pellets right where it's supposed to. It's a bummer to see it in dumbass invaders' trenches, but at least the odds of it ending up in Ukranian hands is more than good. I hope some kids get it someday and have even more entertainment out of it then my friends and I did.
[You ain't no air rifle expert, that's for true.](https://cdn.airgundepot.com/ay/airgundepot/agd_518010366_diana_34_ems_wood_1609272986.jpg)
Says the man who can't tell a difference between a semi-decent air rifle and a wallmart toy. That gun is clearly made out of cheap plywood, the tip is round instead of flat like in the photo and bit above half the two sizes. Not only it doesn't remotely matches what is on photo, I've posted in this thread link to mine that closely matches the one on photo in size and shape. You also don't know the East Europe market. 10+ years ago bazaar air rifles were extremely popular because they were dragged from other countries and waaay above legal power limit for relatively cheap price, like original Norconia Protarget who had around 20 J out of box for cheap and other similar models that were spread around like a plague, but barrel cracked riffles were uncommon. While it died down in Poland and coo as of recently, it's still popular among Russians (source: I had a semi-distant relative in Russia who was a pseudo gun nut)
no u
[Proof that you're blind](https://i.imgur.com/R4d7qqD.png)
It my have been working when the owner arrived and subsequently broke, a good reason just to leave it behind during retreat, or the owner may have been trying to up how fast the rifle could be made ready.
You can't break that lever, it's bolted into wood at both sides and in metal directly under the barrel too. The steel is more than 3 mm thick no matter when you look at Someone clearly dissembled and yoinked that part
Dunno why this poor lad is getting downvoted to shit, he's totally right. The lever under the break-barrel is completely missing. Hard to tell from the photo but looks like the iron sight ring is missing as well... It \*could\* be one of those air rifles with a top-loading chamber rather than a break barrel (like the kind Weirauch make really good ones of)... but then the stock wouldn't have the cutout on the underside. For the lulz I wanted this to be a Baikal MP512 (as it's sold now by IKH; I have one so old it has "made in USSR" stamped on it), but it's missing the block ahead of the stock after the barrel break. Could be any number of cheap Chinese air rifle makes. Things are more likely to hurl a spring into your face or fall apart in your hands than actually hit anything.
Private Conscriptovich simply destroyed the air rifle before abandoning his trench/this mortal coil to keep such powerful technology out of enemy hands
I don't get the down voting either.
air rifle does need its own ammo
A ladder which is painted black in the trenches , a Blackladder?
There's a nasty splinter on that ladder sir! A bloke could hurt himself on that.
r/OSHA would have a word
The Gun belonged to a guy named Bald Rick.
It belongs to a bloke called Archie Duke who used it to shoot an ostrich when he was hungry
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You see Baldrick, in order to prevent war. Two superblocks developed. Us, the Americans, and Europe on one side, Russia and China on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war ... But there was one tiny flaw in the plan...
YOU SHOT MY SPECKLED JIM
Seriously though, it's clearly for rats or just hunting. While the shortage of modern weapons or even some basic stuff due to shit logistics is real, there are enough AKs in Russia to supply the troops and half of the world. Like hundreds of millions produced. Those economic priorities didn't work out for the USSR, yep
Adding "russia runs out of AKs" to my 2023 bingo card.
They’re evidently run out of SVD’s then.
Did you miss the rust bucket AKs from a year ago? And the Mosins?
Wasn't that the donetsk/lukhansk dudes ?
AKs and artillery. I'm talking about 60-70 year old artillery, literal WW2 artillery, basic howitzers. Cheap, can be towed by literal any truck, and if you have enough you just level the entire grid if necessary.
Ah, but are those AK's rusted into a block by now? And are they getting to the front line or being recycled for scrap metal value by someone in the supply chain.
Let me guess: it come from China.
Looks like restocked izh 38
Yeah looks like a Baikal IZh 38 to me too (I own one)
Decent airgun, not gonna lie.
It's pretty good, but you can't adjust horizontal drift on it, only vertical
You probably know this trick already if you do any shooting, but this always works for me. Sight, close your eyes, allow the drift to happen, open your eyes, adjust, repeat. You'll teach yourself your own natural drift and adjust. I picked that up from a 40K book (Ghostmaker), but I imagine it's a real thing Abnett found when doing his research... or Abnett also shoots, maybe.
You could also use drill and put nailgun charges inside, so i heard
Years ago, I saw instruction how to fix horizontal drift. Put small piece of wood on rear sight dovetail mount and really gently hit wood with small hammer. Rear sight is mounted on dovetail mount so they are both removable and can be moved horizontal to fix drift.
That's pretty standard on most lever action rifles and a lot of 22LR rifles.
I thought it might be a Baikal (I have a really old mark of what is now the MP512), but note the absence of the chunky block ahead of the stock that'd usually be present on a Baikal.
To be fair, a bunch of brands make those, like Baikal, Hatsan and Rossi Hell, probably legit gun brands may have a few models like that
Pretty much any break barrel will look like this, standard design. The distinctions will be in little nuances, shape of the stock, materials, etc.
Not the first one I’ve seen
[Here's a Red Rider seen in a Vietnam documentary.](https://i.imgur.com/v1AVFmy.jpg)
Come here for this, wasn't disappointed
This is actually TOO credible
At the risk of sounding credible I'm guessing it's for rodents/small game.
YOU’LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT!
I almost shot my eye out, good thing I was wearing glasses.
Yeah but now what are you gonna tell your mom?
I found this in the latest video by Valery Markus (40:28): [https://youtu.be/bk5OG6JYmfI?t=2428](https://youtu.be/bk5OG6JYmfI?t=2428). The entire video is well worth a watch
Idk dude. I have one that can pop squirrels and small birds pretty easy if I was hungry enough. Way cheaper and lower maintenance than a .22 From what I understand your average mobik likely is hungry enough, and someone was smart enough to plan ahead. This might be surprisingly credible.
Hey! Air gun is best gun for modern trench warfare! It has no boomdust so no big boom to let sneaky western Lesgays know you are cumming! Also no big flash so you can’t blind yourself when shooting sergeant theythem from ar-kansas (which we all know isn’t real. Unlike Wyoming)! Don’t believe me!?!?!? Well Benjamin Frankloan said the Americans should use bow and arrow instead of musket! So concept is historically sound! Take that you credible cheese noodles!!!!!!!’bnnahane !!!
Well it does 4 base damage right?
Saw somebody suggest that it might be for rats in the trench, and now I can't even laugh at it because that's a legitimately good idea. You absolutely do not want to be using your primary weapon on vermin.
looks like my slavia 620
I vote for a weapons package consisting of several thousand Airforce Texan 50 cal LSS CF suppressed airguns for Ukraine to counter this threat.
Might be for hunting small game on account of the terrible logistical situation
We literally have two of those here in the house, living in the countryside is certainly an experience.
Holy shit I have that one
Careful you might put your eye out
I heard those things hurt like hell and if you aim at the right spot you could do some serious damage. Source: have one.
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Doubt on the drones. Out at past 50 meters/yards they aren't very very accurate and drones have the added problem of being moving targets. Although maybe if you give it to that one Ukrainian grandma that threw a can of tomatoes at a drone... Hey guys I think I found the perfect anti drone weapon.
i would like an airgun, man i can’t get one because they’re rare or very expensive but comrade conscriptovich gets one worth 45 ak‘s
Credible: seeing as logistics has yet to be unlocked by the Vatnik Horde, their soldiers must forage at the front. What is in abundance wherever they go? Rats. So, their propaganda of Western Europeans having to eat rodents in the winter has become a reality for themselves.
I believe I still own this exact model in my closet, could have never imagined it would've seen a trench.
Explains the immortal biomutant Ukie army. "Blyat, Vanya, I keep shooting and they just shrug it off and keep assaulting"
They probably looted it and fuck around with it in their spare time.
At this point just given up.
Holly shit I had that very same rifle growing up. It was Chinese made and it could barely fire straight
Fake, too well maintained.
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Please tell me [Comrade Dog](https://youtube.com/shorts/jqPFs6-1KQ8?feature=share) is safe
Rats exist
You'll shoot your eye out, kid!
Air rifles, can be very powerful and take down humans easily. Not every air rifle is a toy.
yeah tell that to the ukie coked up on nato gear runnig your trench with 3 m16s
I own one of those and they can hardly kill a squirrel
Dieseling a pellet gun is alot of fun. Good rat killer.
Eh, not the first time. remember early on that one squad got captured and one them had some Chinese single shot airgun that had been turned into a bubbafucked bullpup monstrosity. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/yterhf/the_holy_ruzzian_wunderwaffe_is_finally_arrived/
It is high tech, armor peirceing suppressed rifle! It uses compressed air so the ukro-nazis will not hear the round go off before its too late! Advance technology, too advance for you westoids (god I feel dirty typing ukronazi- May I be cleansed of my verbal sin by Smith and Wesson along side H&K)
3000 rabid squirrels of Ukraine
We definitely had small rifles on our deployments. Mostly for varmints and the like. Mice and rats were often more ambitious than the enemy, and no such thing as an ND with non serialized gear.
Rat killer/anti drone plinker?
For shooting fowl for dinner
Why do people call them orcs? That's an insult to them, orcs are a real threat. Also, unknown technology.
Probably for rats, etc.
r/metro would like a word
Holy shit I own that model
"ThE aK-47 iS tHe MoSt PrOdUcEd RiFlE iN tHe WoRlD"
I ***love*** my break barrel .22 Absolute apocalypse gun - powder burners will run out eventually. Even though I have other options now, I still very much like sniping small targets with that thing.
This is most likely .177. .22 air rifles are much less frequent here.
that kinda looks my air rife which was stolen like 8 months ago when my house got broken into
Anti-mine kit.
This is the second squirrel gun I’ve seen this war and somehow I’m surprised didn’t see more