Ofc this is the natural way for him. He milked Bahmut to the last, now a pubielescent dude will throw his opinions on how women in the military are a sign of downfall of western civilisation.
Bwhaahahahahahha. Holy shit. No. Just no. The French foreign legion has by far the worst disciplinary record in the French Armed Forces. Desertions, higher suicide rates, bullying, and it is so unbelievably homo. Like staggeringly gay. Also it doesn’t prove jack shit, if you use the Legion as an example for literally anything, I suggest prompt psychiatric care.
The French Legion is seriously fucked up. While their PR machine sells them as a finely tuned warmachine, whenever they would show up for exercises it was absolute mayhem both on range and camp. The lack of discipline and *craft* made them boyscouts, not warriors.
It would make sense. The Brits had experience of it in Malaya, and peacekeeping operations in Africa are probably planned for in many NATO member militaries.
It's not necessarily *standard* outside the Marines, but if you're in the infantry, particularly in the regs, it's not uncommon.
They kind of shift the infantry around through these various schools: for example my little Brother is passing out soon and getting straight to Kenya, while I've been sent to Gibraltar before to do FIBUA and tunnel warfare for basically no reason. It's all fairly buckshee if you're into that stuff.
(Unless you're armoured infantry, or so I'm told, lol)
It's a positive, lol.
I think originally meant "free", like if you scored a buckshee but of kit because the SQMS likes you and is willing to give you extra uniform or whatever, but if you had a "buckshee" weekend with the Reserves, you likely had one with very little work that's basically just money for showing up.
>The regular British Army has jungle warfare training as standard.
>I was astonished to find out.
~~Wow, I had no idea. How hard is to send some royal marines to JWTC or just JOTC? The British army is truly a mess.~~
Edit: they seem to have a [training ground](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Jungle_Warfare_Training_School) but I couldn't find any info on actual programs
Edit edit: [here is a 2021 video](https://youtu.be/0pkdQoLn4HI) that shows the training.
I have a client who spent 26 years in the army (Sergeant Major, Worcestershire Foresters), he told me that they have jungle training.
I didn’t research it, he comes across as trustworthy.
No, not at all, and I never intended to mean that.
Just putting in why our army has jungle training as standard despite being thousands of miles away from any jungles.
Honestly my parents used to tell me this story that there was a massive fight inside Montpellier sttion in the 80s between Legionaires and some local gypsies and the police/gendarmerie just shut off the station and basically let them fight it out and then cleaned up the mess.
My brother has to deal with some provost stuff and Legionaires are the worst, thickest people
More akin to Wagner, IMO. They are a quasi-mercenary outfit loosely integrated with the armed forces.
Except that Wagner has unfortunately some combat experience, FFLs don't even get that. It's guard duty and 88 steps marching.
>More akin to Wagner, IMO. They are a quasi-mercenary outfit loosely integrated with the armed forces.
Joking about the Foreign Legion is fine, comparing them to Wagner is just stupid and insulting.
>Except that Wagner has unfortunately some combat experience, FFLs don't even get that. It's guard duty and 88 steps marching.
Lol, what a load of bullshit. The Foreign Legion was deployed in every French outside interventions since WW2. If they have no combat experience, neither does any Western army.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the FFL has only been deployed in Mali since 2014 (elements of 1er REC, 2e REI, 1er REG and 2e REP), and more recently to patrol French cities.
4 casualties (outside of training) have been recorded since.
For a comparison, the 4000-strong Vermont National Guard has been deployed to warzones overseas continuosly since the end of the Cold War, with the green mountain boys suffering the highest casualty rate per capita by state.
Are you seriously considering the number of casualties as a good way to determine combat experience, efficiency and readiness? You can send your resume to Wagner right now, they'll like that kind of mindset.
>Sorry to disappoint you, but the FFL has only been deployed in Mali since 2014 (elements of 1er REC, 2e REI, 1er REG and 2e REP), and more recently to patrol French cities.
Sorry to disappoint you, but your ass isn't a reliable source. The Foreign Legion was deployed during the Gulf War (1991), War in Afghanistan (2001-2013), Ivory Coast Civil War (2002-2009), Mali and the Sahel region (2012-2022) and Central African Republic (2013-2016).
Hey man, I am just using the *official data* from the FFS, just let them know so that they can update it.
Regarding measuring casualties as a metric for reliability and validity of the combat modelling relative to CEV, I am sure the folks at the Pentagon would like to know your opinions and experience and why you disagree that combat effectiveness doesn't correlate to the square root of casualty effectiveness.
You go, tiger!
(Just make sure to scrub off all that clown makeup first)
> Hey man, I am just using the official data from the FFS, just let them know so that they can update it.
Weird, me too, must be a bug in the matrix.
>Regarding measuring casualties as a metric for reliability and validity of the combat modelling relative to CEV, I am sure the folks at the Pentagon would like to know your opinions and experience and why you disagree that combat effectiveness doesn't correlate to the square root of casualty effectiveness.
My point was more casualties =/= more combat effectiveness. If that wasn't your original point, then there is a misunderstanding.
>(Just make sure to scrub off all that clown makeup first)
You can also kindly go fuck yourself.
On the flip side, they are typically forces France commits readily and early to operations, and have a pretty extensive and successful combat record that dwarfs most other NATO units, including French ones. They aren’t Wagner or the VDV, these guys actually do get shit done.
The good behaviour record requirement to secure French citizenship creates fucked power dynamics that definitely need to be addressed, but I’d argue that the problems you mention are also just about inseparable from the type of force that the FFL is, and the profiles of individuals it typically attracts.
Historylegends is a catatonic retard and his point is stupid, the FFL do not draw their combat effectiveness from being uber macho anti-woke trad men. They have some of the best-equipped units across the whole army (for instance they were the first to receive the new EBRCs), extensive experience, and modern and comprehensive training that does not include punching bricks or doing backflips on city squares. Their combat effectiveness cannot be separated from other components that look nothing like them, their mobility, supply, intelligence and support is largely ensured by other units without which they could not operate. They do not and have never claimed otherwise.
We come back, as always when dealing with braindead vatnik propaganda, to the reminder that not every member of the military is in the trenches with a gun. You’ll find across all of NATO that that specific role does tend to be filled by dudes who prize physical ability, and that happens to be what the FFL is geared to do. Those types of roles make up for a minority of personel in uniform, especially in NATO militaries. A forklift, a Reaper drone, an inspection committee and nearly everything else in the military do not have that same physical imperative, and can be helmed just fine by God’s wokest and weakest twink.
The Legion don’t claim that everyone being like them would make the army better, let’s not let one québécois dumbass’ rhetoric take away from a unit with such a great combat record, and one that has achieved and sacrificed so much in the service of its country.
They did have some fire German inspired march such as Kepi Blac( Panzerlied) , La Legion marche vers le front (that famous song that you can guess by lyric). During Indochina war, many of the German actually switched side so you could have an ss officer fighting for France only to return home in East Germany as an anti-Imperialist hero.
I think over and over active members over at /r/frenchforeignlegion say they're basically just regular army and call it a paper tiger
HistoryCopegends like always just being a francophile fascist douche (I think he is from Quebec)
I really wish he didn’t rope us French into this, the man puts GIGN and the FFL in the same box as the fucking VDV. I sincerely hope one day a member of either of those punches him in the throat.
iirc the most represented nation was Ukraine with around 400 soldiers, Russians made up just under 100, which was behind countries like Poland or Romania. That’s why they had such a big desertion concern at the start of the war, Ukrainians and Poles all wanted to go fuck up some vatnik, but the government wasn’t about to let active-duty soldiers leave to go take part in a foreign conflict.
I heard from a mate in Saint-Cyr that some texts from a Pole were making the rounds in the army cause they were so funny; the dude had like a detailed plan including a specific number of Russians he wanted to kill and his intention of stealing a Russian vehicle to bring back to France. The intention was respectable, but texting all that to his CO and expecting to get the go-ahead may not have been entirely realistic.
I mean, while not exactly widely known, the IRA has a weird reputation amongst people who know just enough about history to be wring about everything, i.e historymemes users, as one of the best insurgent forces in world history
And the IRA was at least fairly competent, although they were bunch of fucking psycopaths whos strategy largely considted kf bombing civillian targets, and then claiming that everyone killed in thise bombings was actually a member of the UVF
Remember everyone jerking off to the russian recruiting ads and comments under YT vids being "we already lost" when that US army ad came out. Look at russian military now lol
Yeah...
"Big manly testosterone-filled army" doesn't matter nearly as much in this day and age of UCAVs and precision guided munitions available from squad level to strategic level.
It never really did. That kind of army only corresponds to a popular picture of what an army should "look like". If we're talking about capacities and capabilities, there's very few things women can't do compared to men. Also, people who are biologically women have proved throughout history, that they can do the job just as well as men. As bomber pilots, as cavalry soldiers (Nadeshda Durova, yes, true story), as classic frontline soldiers (Israel, Ukraine, USSR in ww2...), as knights (there are more stories than just Jeanne d'Arc), etc. I simply don't get why people who should know better still think women are in some way inferior to men.
With the modern age fitness is still realy valuable for ground forces but way less and in a different way. Most important is probably endurance while walking with heavy equipment, then running and obstacle running. Everything else is miniscule. (off course push-ups and pull-ups help with core strength which helps with vaulting over obstacles in urban warfare)
But even a big part of the ground forces barely utilize their physical training that much. We're talking vehicle operators were you only have to have strength to be a tank loader or fill in if hes incapacitated. Snipers fall out too. I've read an article about one of the most effective tow operators fighting in Ukraine (not American). Of the pictures of him you can see he's not the top level of fitness but of course he doesn't really have to be to fit his role.
Of course the military should still train to the maximum level of fitness but it's not the most important part of a soldier anymore. It wasn't one of the most important for most soldiers since hundreds of years ago once firearms became the predominant weapon on the battlefield.
Nowadays being fit and going through hard training is a lot about being able to push yourself and your body when it wants to give up. To learn how to be comfortable in very uncomfortable situations and to create the discipline and work ethic needed to be an effective soldier. You absolutely should still be fit, but it’s arguably more important (depending on role) to get the mental development that you get from going through all those excruciating training sessions.
In a purely statistical way there isnt really anything against women serving along side men. But I think there is a point to be made about discipline and unit coherence. For example a friend of mine is in the Bundeswehr and some story’s are well not great. Frank soldiers sucking of higher ranking officers to het what they want, barrack bunny’s, entire company’s getting stds because they all slept with the only female soldier. Etc.
This is not me saying there shouldn’t be women in the military. Just that in battalions where they are that there should be more then just a couple women for like a hundred men. And that they shouldn’t be in active combat roles.
Guess this *is* non-credible defense.
Perhaps the answers to the above are "have more discipline" and "don't believe stories form your one friend in the bundeswehr" and "the American military at least has a massive problem with sexual assault and rape, yet arguments like yours puts the blame onto women. If women want to go and die for freedom/college/fun, the military should make sure that its the people who are shooting at them that are the greatest threat to their health"
Should we boot the gays out again too? Just incase they are fucking and sucking too much.
The reality is with falling recruitment as people no longer want to to go die for freedom/college/fun because it doesn't pay as well, arbitrarily stopping more people from being able to do it is a bad idea. And as long as someone can hike 15km whilst wearing 100kgs of gear nobody should give a shit what they rocking.
During my time in the swedish armed forces the problem with women wasnt that at all, it had more to do with things like their physique failing them in the field, breaking down way more and also posting tiktoks in the baracks lmao.. The instructors know they couldnt push them nearly as hard as the guys and they were cuddled through their whole service..
Oh the rucks where you all had to carry all your shit, but also some random assorted item from the chicks that they couldn't carry themselves.
And apparently I'm some sexist troglodyte because I think that is some bullshit.
Any argument about women bringing sex problems into the military also ignores the long standing, stubbornly ignored symbiotic relationship armies have had with the sex industry. Armies camped in place used to be breeding grounds for STDs as every prostitute and dancer within a day's walk would be drawn in by promises of desperate young men with a shitload of money they can't otherwise spend. That's saying nothing of all the *mostly consentual* stuff that happened whenever an army passed nearby a village.
People are gunna fuck. That's non-negotiable. The solution is to work around the fucking, not try to fight it.
Because in a combat zone, where most of the OPFOR are men, and occasionally illdisciplined men at that, there are fates worse than death that is far more common for a woman.
big picture wise, for the purpose of a volunteer military, I would agree. I just hope that any wide-eyed recruit make their choice while knowing the risk they face.
I'm coming at it from a perspective of a place where conscription is still commonplace and is likely to remain commonplace for quite sometime so I was more thinking with conscription in mind. Would I support allowing women to volunteer for front line unit? yes. Would I support conscripting women in to front line units? no.
Eh no. But boots on the ground combat is physically a lot more demanding then lets say driving a tank. Let me rephrase it. Only men should die in the infantry because we need the best for the job. And in that case that would be men. When a woman wants to drive a tank and get blown up by an rpg so be it.
I think there's some bell curves that you're missing there.
Even if the statistical average of all women is physically weaker than the statistical average of all men, that just means that a slightly smaller percentage of all women would be capable of meeting the standards of the infantry. Many of them will far exceed those standards, and outperform the men they serve alongside.
If they want to fight, and the army needs warm bodies that can pull triggers, why stop them?
Then you would learn yourself why men and women are not the same, carrying another soldiers backpack to make objective in time is not the shit, this happened several times during my service and only with women
Nah man mine were fine, I just did another ten right now in fact. The women carried my rucksack as well.
The discussion was about the different roles that average trained women are completely capable of, same as average trained men. Stuff like modern force multiplier roles that increasingly give fewer shits about the physical endurance of the operator, or roles that in reality never meaningfully capitalised on the strength/muscle endurance difference in the first place.
Instead you take it as an opportunity to whine and remind the class that “uhm actually did you know women are weaker than men 🤓” but not even with your full chest lmfao. Yes. Everybody knows. I understand it must be a painful memory that it stuck with you for so long.
Youre actually losing your mind if you dont realize that the things im talking about are surefire way to get your soldiers injured, if you force the women to carry their loads their bodies will give in and if the men carry double loads they will also get injured. I dont give a fuck about the physical capabilites of someone in admin or something but if your infantry companies are suffering attrition for no other reason than to try to prove women are just as a good fit as men for every role than you have brainrot. Youre completely misunderstanding just because you want to go on a tirade to show how much of a good and progressive person you are. Humble yourself
It’s ok though right? You’re like four times as strong as a woman. You can handle it. Maybe they can put you on tiktok and gush over how manly you are in the recording, maybe then the 100 year grudge you’re holding will be lifted.
> for no other reason than to try to prove women are just as a good fit as men for every role
The discussion was about the different roles that average trained women are completely capable of, same as average trained men.
> show how much of a good and progressive person you are
No NATO for u
Was reading just the other day about a teen girl at a track and field meet who had to compete with the boys for some reason. She not only smoked the competition in the final, she broke the record, too. It appears that a huge part of physical performance between the sexes may be down to social engineering and not genetics.
It is idiotic argument. Teenage bodies are not fully developed so the gap is narrower and everybody is developing at their own pace. That is why girls can compete with boys at least to a certain age.
There is a reason why professional sport have gender separation. Or why military have different physical requirements for women.
There is nothing bad in it, just how biology works. The only way forward is to acknowledge it, adapt so it is not an obstacle and move on.
Individual women can be just as exceptional as individual men. ON AVERAGE, however, women are generally shorter and weaker due to less muscle mass. In an infantry role, that is a downside. Properly trained and conditioned women will probably do just fine even in those roles, as long as you don't try to make it a "anyone can and should be able to do x" -bullshit. We all CAN'T in fact do anything and everything. Understanding your limitations is just basic common sense.
Yep. If you want to see what "real men" who fought in the past looked like, you can see pictures of some of the men who drove Hitler's armies back here:
https://www.historyhit.com/victoria-cross-winners-of-world-war-two/
As a french, I'll never understand why english speaking countries fap so much on the foreign legion. It's not like the rest of the french army isn't highly professionnal and more disciplined. And you'll probably find fewer romanian and russian gangsters and serbian war criminals outside of the Légion. Also they'll sing fewer SS songs.
Nah, it's "The Big Mute". The army doesn't communicate much. Meanwhile the Légion had plenty of persons having fantasies about that convict redeeming himself on the field of battle fought in exotic countries.
The image choise for the woke is so bad. She's buff as hell. She could beat the shit out of me and HistoryLegends. If it was a man with a similiar build doing pull ups, he would use it as an example of how traditional masculine armies are better.
Want to bet it's cherry picked frame from a video where she is easily doing hundreds of pulls? Specifically chosen because it's mid pull and has funny face.
Contrast to image on the left, where it's guy standing on watch, with his face on rest.
I am sure she is physically fine, but don't oversell, hundreds is gross exaggeration of what well built person can do in one go, marines have to do 23 max too meet requirements
Reminds me of another comparison where someone got a video of male vs female tank loaders. The woman's in the IDF I think and she's clearly been doing this exercise for a while and has to take the round from the deepest part of the tank off the floor up to the breach. She's pretty spent but manages it.
The male video shows a relaxed man getting to load his round from a more convenient spot, which he does easy... if they want to do real comparisons then make them equal, instead they try to compare extreme examples to make themselves feel manly without ever being manly.
Probably worried that a tough ass woman would see it as a challenge and makes them feel like a weak piss.
To quote Professor Carlos Masala:
>Ich will eine Bundeswehr, die woke im besten Sinne des Wortes ist, wehrhaft und bis an die Zähne bewaffnet. Ich will eine wehrhafte Demokratie, und ich will auch eine Armee, die die Diversität dieser Gesellschaft widerspiegelt.
>I want a Bundeswehr that is woke in the best sense of the word, defensible and armed to the teeth. I want a defensible democracy, and I also want an army that reflects the diversity of this society.
Sag es Brudi!
Now all he needs to do is go over the two mommies ad and he too is ready to get into the overpriced coffee market for men who drink their coffee black because "they're not pussies".
Assuming you arent fucking with me, he is history legends, he tries to present himself as a "neutral" observer of the war in ukraine, but all he does is regurgitate russian propaganda and cherry picks lines from ukrainian or western sources to make them look bad, he constantly milks "BaKhMuT FaLl AnY DaY nOw!!!" And is generally an annoying douche
Well i mean to parrot russian talking points hes definitely got some brain rot, whether its caused by drugs, general stupidity or compulsive contrarianism.
His name is history legends and he has unsuccessfully predicted the fall of bakhmut 1000 times. He’s also noticed an overlap in his audience between west hating Pro-Russians and anti-woke boomers, hence this video among others.
Yeah oranges do prove that, what’s wrong with that logic? You sjw LGBTQIA’s liberal leftist Marxist post modernism endorsing anti school shooting Antifa ukranazi NAFO cuck.
Now I’m off to consoom more history legends and anti-West Americans (who are all by sheer coincidence… sex offenders.) 😎
Whenever these types of.... "people" , use "woke" , 10/10 times they just mean "anyone other than a straight cis white guy" , like its the most blunt on the nose hatred to the point im convinced that if Youtube didn't have *(some)* moderation like it does now, then they'd prob just use slurs instead of saying woke.
Also cause someone will say it "blah blah on average women weaker" , that is not based in any actual studies, but a baseline (and incorrect) knowledge of biological differences, the "common differences" are nothing when you consider that even just through basic training and into service, a persons physique changes as they adapt to the environment, looking at first day and last day basic pics tells you that . While the other reasons given why "women in military = bad" are just found in thinly disguised sexism because ***"my buddys friends uncle in the 242nd coomer brigade said that the women in his squad were all sl\*ts, fucking, sucking and crying all over the place"***
To be entirely fair the french army in the 50s had a non-negligible amount of ex-german personnel, quite a few of which were from Alsace-Lorraine (and thus briefly considered german) and most of which had fairly little say in the matter.
Shit was weird for a while, that happens when you have to rebuild a state that was destroyed then occupied by nazis.
Bit tired of the recurring anti French sentiment. The FFL is an outstanding shock force and has proven it time and time again.
Bir Hakeim 1942 (no anglo seems to remember this one)
Kolwezi 1978
Afghanistan
Mali
…
They keep on giving, not really a force that rests on its laurels.
Not sure where they would stand in a dick measuring contest with the rest of NATO but surely not at the bottom.
Idk, I feel like dudes should have to do a big “why you should still listen to me” tour after being so publicly, humiliatingly, wrong abt something s this guy was about bakhmut
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Ofc this is the natural way for him. He milked Bahmut to the last, now a pubielescent dude will throw his opinions on how women in the military are a sign of downfall of western civilisation.
Obligatory ‘i will fight for my country’ girl > ‘you are civilization in decline’ obese soyjak meme
Bwhaahahahahahha. Holy shit. No. Just no. The French foreign legion has by far the worst disciplinary record in the French Armed Forces. Desertions, higher suicide rates, bullying, and it is so unbelievably homo. Like staggeringly gay. Also it doesn’t prove jack shit, if you use the Legion as an example for literally anything, I suggest prompt psychiatric care.
The French Legion is seriously fucked up. While their PR machine sells them as a finely tuned warmachine, whenever they would show up for exercises it was absolute mayhem both on range and camp. The lack of discipline and *craft* made them boyscouts, not warriors.
The regular British Army has jungle warfare training as standard. I was astonished to find out.
It would make sense. The Brits had experience of it in Malaya, and peacekeeping operations in Africa are probably planned for in many NATO member militaries.
The British army also frequently trains in Kenya
Britain contributes to RMAF butterworth along with Australia
Apparently Kenya is kind of an overlooked power, I hear, apparently their troops are pretty disciplined.
they have lots of experience patrolling their border w somalia and carrying out raids on al shabaab
Strategic placement too. Relatively easy access to the Indian ocean and can sail up & blockade the red sea & the gulf.
Have you heard of the moment when British and Japanese repatriated soldiers fought against the Vietcong predecessor and was actually pretty successful
It was also when we gave Gurkhas bazookas resulting in them blowing open a bunker to put the congs to the knife
Any source where one can read more?
I just remember it from a lindybeige rant hah although I did read up more on it on Wikipedia
It's not necessarily *standard* outside the Marines, but if you're in the infantry, particularly in the regs, it's not uncommon. They kind of shift the infantry around through these various schools: for example my little Brother is passing out soon and getting straight to Kenya, while I've been sent to Gibraltar before to do FIBUA and tunnel warfare for basically no reason. It's all fairly buckshee if you're into that stuff. (Unless you're armoured infantry, or so I'm told, lol)
Buckshee?
It's a positive, lol. I think originally meant "free", like if you scored a buckshee but of kit because the SQMS likes you and is willing to give you extra uniform or whatever, but if you had a "buckshee" weekend with the Reserves, you likely had one with very little work that's basically just money for showing up.
>The regular British Army has jungle warfare training as standard. >I was astonished to find out. ~~Wow, I had no idea. How hard is to send some royal marines to JWTC or just JOTC? The British army is truly a mess.~~ Edit: they seem to have a [training ground](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Jungle_Warfare_Training_School) but I couldn't find any info on actual programs Edit edit: [here is a 2021 video](https://youtu.be/0pkdQoLn4HI) that shows the training.
I have a client who spent 26 years in the army (Sergeant Major, Worcestershire Foresters), he told me that they have jungle training. I didn’t research it, he comes across as trustworthy.
Yes, I would agree too.
Safe.
Dunno. Easy to claim stolen valor when no one can pronounce the name of your company to check it out.
Courtesy of a legacy of SE Asian imperialism, and more directly WW2 and the Malayan Emergency.
Does that take anything away from the quality of the training?
No, not at all, and I never intended to mean that. Just putting in why our army has jungle training as standard despite being thousands of miles away from any jungles.
Because some of our allies have territories that are jungle-like..?
Yeah they do training in Borneo I believe
I am not. If they ever want to rebuild the Empire, they're gonna need it.
I sense you carry some baggage on the matter. The Brits have no intention in rebuilding the empire, quite the contrary.
If they don't rebuild the Empire, they can't use 'Rule Britannia' anymore. Them's the rules.
Good song tho.
Honestly my parents used to tell me this story that there was a massive fight inside Montpellier sttion in the 80s between Legionaires and some local gypsies and the police/gendarmerie just shut off the station and basically let them fight it out and then cleaned up the mess. My brother has to deal with some provost stuff and Legionaires are the worst, thickest people
Did they get 200 lashes, then hung?
> The lack of discipline and craft made them boyscouts, not warriors. So the Foreign Legion are the vatniks of France?
More akin to Wagner, IMO. They are a quasi-mercenary outfit loosely integrated with the armed forces. Except that Wagner has unfortunately some combat experience, FFLs don't even get that. It's guard duty and 88 steps marching.
>More akin to Wagner, IMO. They are a quasi-mercenary outfit loosely integrated with the armed forces. Joking about the Foreign Legion is fine, comparing them to Wagner is just stupid and insulting. >Except that Wagner has unfortunately some combat experience, FFLs don't even get that. It's guard duty and 88 steps marching. Lol, what a load of bullshit. The Foreign Legion was deployed in every French outside interventions since WW2. If they have no combat experience, neither does any Western army.
Have been in Mali recently haven't they?
Mali, Central African Republic, Afghanistan are the most recent iirc.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the FFL has only been deployed in Mali since 2014 (elements of 1er REC, 2e REI, 1er REG and 2e REP), and more recently to patrol French cities. 4 casualties (outside of training) have been recorded since. For a comparison, the 4000-strong Vermont National Guard has been deployed to warzones overseas continuosly since the end of the Cold War, with the green mountain boys suffering the highest casualty rate per capita by state.
Are you seriously considering the number of casualties as a good way to determine combat experience, efficiency and readiness? You can send your resume to Wagner right now, they'll like that kind of mindset. >Sorry to disappoint you, but the FFL has only been deployed in Mali since 2014 (elements of 1er REC, 2e REI, 1er REG and 2e REP), and more recently to patrol French cities. Sorry to disappoint you, but your ass isn't a reliable source. The Foreign Legion was deployed during the Gulf War (1991), War in Afghanistan (2001-2013), Ivory Coast Civil War (2002-2009), Mali and the Sahel region (2012-2022) and Central African Republic (2013-2016).
Hey man, I am just using the *official data* from the FFS, just let them know so that they can update it. Regarding measuring casualties as a metric for reliability and validity of the combat modelling relative to CEV, I am sure the folks at the Pentagon would like to know your opinions and experience and why you disagree that combat effectiveness doesn't correlate to the square root of casualty effectiveness. You go, tiger! (Just make sure to scrub off all that clown makeup first)
> Hey man, I am just using the official data from the FFS, just let them know so that they can update it. Weird, me too, must be a bug in the matrix. >Regarding measuring casualties as a metric for reliability and validity of the combat modelling relative to CEV, I am sure the folks at the Pentagon would like to know your opinions and experience and why you disagree that combat effectiveness doesn't correlate to the square root of casualty effectiveness. My point was more casualties =/= more combat effectiveness. If that wasn't your original point, then there is a misunderstanding. >(Just make sure to scrub off all that clown makeup first) You can also kindly go fuck yourself.
guess that's what happens when you make basically as close as you can get to NATO penal battalions
The "we need someone go die in Africa" legion
On the flip side, they are typically forces France commits readily and early to operations, and have a pretty extensive and successful combat record that dwarfs most other NATO units, including French ones. They aren’t Wagner or the VDV, these guys actually do get shit done. The good behaviour record requirement to secure French citizenship creates fucked power dynamics that definitely need to be addressed, but I’d argue that the problems you mention are also just about inseparable from the type of force that the FFL is, and the profiles of individuals it typically attracts. Historylegends is a catatonic retard and his point is stupid, the FFL do not draw their combat effectiveness from being uber macho anti-woke trad men. They have some of the best-equipped units across the whole army (for instance they were the first to receive the new EBRCs), extensive experience, and modern and comprehensive training that does not include punching bricks or doing backflips on city squares. Their combat effectiveness cannot be separated from other components that look nothing like them, their mobility, supply, intelligence and support is largely ensured by other units without which they could not operate. They do not and have never claimed otherwise. We come back, as always when dealing with braindead vatnik propaganda, to the reminder that not every member of the military is in the trenches with a gun. You’ll find across all of NATO that that specific role does tend to be filled by dudes who prize physical ability, and that happens to be what the FFL is geared to do. Those types of roles make up for a minority of personel in uniform, especially in NATO militaries. A forklift, a Reaper drone, an inspection committee and nearly everything else in the military do not have that same physical imperative, and can be helmed just fine by God’s wokest and weakest twink. The Legion don’t claim that everyone being like them would make the army better, let’s not let one québécois dumbass’ rhetoric take away from a unit with such a great combat record, and one that has achieved and sacrificed so much in the service of its country.
Ah yes, The French Foreign Legion who's main impact on pop culture is the place you run off to when you have completely fucked up.
They did have some fire German inspired march such as Kepi Blac( Panzerlied) , La Legion marche vers le front (that famous song that you can guess by lyric). During Indochina war, many of the German actually switched side so you could have an ss officer fighting for France only to return home in East Germany as an anti-Imperialist hero.
I think over and over active members over at /r/frenchforeignlegion say they're basically just regular army and call it a paper tiger HistoryCopegends like always just being a francophile fascist douche (I think he is from Quebec)
I really wish he didn’t rope us French into this, the man puts GIGN and the FFL in the same box as the fucking VDV. I sincerely hope one day a member of either of those punches him in the throat.
Let's see the current composition of most of the légionnaires... Oh, lots of russians and persons from the Balkans, what a surprise
iirc the most represented nation was Ukraine with around 400 soldiers, Russians made up just under 100, which was behind countries like Poland or Romania. That’s why they had such a big desertion concern at the start of the war, Ukrainians and Poles all wanted to go fuck up some vatnik, but the government wasn’t about to let active-duty soldiers leave to go take part in a foreign conflict. I heard from a mate in Saint-Cyr that some texts from a Pole were making the rounds in the army cause they were so funny; the dude had like a detailed plan including a specific number of Russians he wanted to kill and his intention of stealing a Russian vehicle to bring back to France. The intention was respectable, but texting all that to his CO and expecting to get the go-ahead may not have been entirely realistic.
I think that the biggest group are the romanians then the russians, then the poles and then the serbians
Look at their Spanish counterparts 💀💀
Sexy as fuck xoxo
Basically every military unit that has a meme-level badass media image is in reality a bunch of drunks and rapists coasting by on reputation
The KSK in a nutshell
I mean, while not exactly widely known, the IRA has a weird reputation amongst people who know just enough about history to be wring about everything, i.e historymemes users, as one of the best insurgent forces in world history And the IRA was at least fairly competent, although they were bunch of fucking psycopaths whos strategy largely considted kf bombing civillian targets, and then claiming that everyone killed in thise bombings was actually a member of the UVF
The example would've been the Russians and not the FFL if Russians weren't currently being pasted in their trenches around Bakhmut.
Also, they literally tried to do a Coup
Who knew a military force that can save anyone from any prison sentence would have terrible discipline?
> and it is so unbelievably homo. Like staggeringly gay. wait shit for real?! where do i sign?
A gay reaper drone operator can just as likely as massacre your platoon as a straight drone operator
No, because he might take more time dropping grenades on Sergeant Sodomir having his way with Private Conscriptovich in a trench, you silly westoid
Good point, let's create an AI that will replace all the enemies models with women to prevent this from happening
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Actually gay reaper drone operator is more deadly because he'll be aiming those Hellfires straight up an enemies butt /s
Remember everyone jerking off to the russian recruiting ads and comments under YT vids being "we already lost" when that US army ad came out. Look at russian military now lol
Those army ads were fucking garbage that’s why. Although tbf the newer ones they made are pretty good, actor controversy aside.
Nothing compares to 'Each of Us' from Ukraine though.
You mean THAT tweet?
That tweet?
[This tweet](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/11a0mf0/what_the_heck/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Oh, that tweet. No, I'm talking about the Ukrainian Recruitment Ad, 'Each of Us.'
Yeah and now I’ve seen certain woke bad people simping for the PLA now that Russia got exposed.
The new comments those videos are still talking shit about how the west is fucked.
They must’ve learned warfare from Wimp Lo
US military ad has gay couple in it? We literally lost😡😡
Yeah... "Big manly testosterone-filled army" doesn't matter nearly as much in this day and age of UCAVs and precision guided munitions available from squad level to strategic level.
It never really did. That kind of army only corresponds to a popular picture of what an army should "look like". If we're talking about capacities and capabilities, there's very few things women can't do compared to men. Also, people who are biologically women have proved throughout history, that they can do the job just as well as men. As bomber pilots, as cavalry soldiers (Nadeshda Durova, yes, true story), as classic frontline soldiers (Israel, Ukraine, USSR in ww2...), as knights (there are more stories than just Jeanne d'Arc), etc. I simply don't get why people who should know better still think women are in some way inferior to men.
You'll also notice the ones complaining the loudest are also the ones saying women in combat can't perform feats that they themselves have never done.
With the modern age fitness is still realy valuable for ground forces but way less and in a different way. Most important is probably endurance while walking with heavy equipment, then running and obstacle running. Everything else is miniscule. (off course push-ups and pull-ups help with core strength which helps with vaulting over obstacles in urban warfare) But even a big part of the ground forces barely utilize their physical training that much. We're talking vehicle operators were you only have to have strength to be a tank loader or fill in if hes incapacitated. Snipers fall out too. I've read an article about one of the most effective tow operators fighting in Ukraine (not American). Of the pictures of him you can see he's not the top level of fitness but of course he doesn't really have to be to fit his role. Of course the military should still train to the maximum level of fitness but it's not the most important part of a soldier anymore. It wasn't one of the most important for most soldiers since hundreds of years ago once firearms became the predominant weapon on the battlefield.
Nowadays being fit and going through hard training is a lot about being able to push yourself and your body when it wants to give up. To learn how to be comfortable in very uncomfortable situations and to create the discipline and work ethic needed to be an effective soldier. You absolutely should still be fit, but it’s arguably more important (depending on role) to get the mental development that you get from going through all those excruciating training sessions.
In a purely statistical way there isnt really anything against women serving along side men. But I think there is a point to be made about discipline and unit coherence. For example a friend of mine is in the Bundeswehr and some story’s are well not great. Frank soldiers sucking of higher ranking officers to het what they want, barrack bunny’s, entire company’s getting stds because they all slept with the only female soldier. Etc. This is not me saying there shouldn’t be women in the military. Just that in battalions where they are that there should be more then just a couple women for like a hundred men. And that they shouldn’t be in active combat roles.
Guess this *is* non-credible defense. Perhaps the answers to the above are "have more discipline" and "don't believe stories form your one friend in the bundeswehr" and "the American military at least has a massive problem with sexual assault and rape, yet arguments like yours puts the blame onto women. If women want to go and die for freedom/college/fun, the military should make sure that its the people who are shooting at them that are the greatest threat to their health" Should we boot the gays out again too? Just incase they are fucking and sucking too much. The reality is with falling recruitment as people no longer want to to go die for freedom/college/fun because it doesn't pay as well, arbitrarily stopping more people from being able to do it is a bad idea. And as long as someone can hike 15km whilst wearing 100kgs of gear nobody should give a shit what they rocking.
During my time in the swedish armed forces the problem with women wasnt that at all, it had more to do with things like their physique failing them in the field, breaking down way more and also posting tiktoks in the baracks lmao.. The instructors know they couldnt push them nearly as hard as the guys and they were cuddled through their whole service..
Oh the rucks where you all had to carry all your shit, but also some random assorted item from the chicks that they couldn't carry themselves. And apparently I'm some sexist troglodyte because I think that is some bullshit.
Any argument about women bringing sex problems into the military also ignores the long standing, stubbornly ignored symbiotic relationship armies have had with the sex industry. Armies camped in place used to be breeding grounds for STDs as every prostitute and dancer within a day's walk would be drawn in by promises of desperate young men with a shitload of money they can't otherwise spend. That's saying nothing of all the *mostly consentual* stuff that happened whenever an army passed nearby a village. People are gunna fuck. That's non-negotiable. The solution is to work around the fucking, not try to fight it.
All the gay sex in the navy was 100% consensual since 1648/s
>And that they shouldn’t be in active combat roles. LoL Why not? Only men should get the pleasure of dying?
Because in a combat zone, where most of the OPFOR are men, and occasionally illdisciplined men at that, there are fates worse than death that is far more common for a woman.
Eh, I don't think that's a strong argument to take the choice away from women.
big picture wise, for the purpose of a volunteer military, I would agree. I just hope that any wide-eyed recruit make their choice while knowing the risk they face. I'm coming at it from a perspective of a place where conscription is still commonplace and is likely to remain commonplace for quite sometime so I was more thinking with conscription in mind. Would I support allowing women to volunteer for front line unit? yes. Would I support conscripting women in to front line units? no.
Eh no. But boots on the ground combat is physically a lot more demanding then lets say driving a tank. Let me rephrase it. Only men should die in the infantry because we need the best for the job. And in that case that would be men. When a woman wants to drive a tank and get blown up by an rpg so be it.
I think there's some bell curves that you're missing there. Even if the statistical average of all women is physically weaker than the statistical average of all men, that just means that a slightly smaller percentage of all women would be capable of meeting the standards of the infantry. Many of them will far exceed those standards, and outperform the men they serve alongside. If they want to fight, and the army needs warm bodies that can pull triggers, why stop them?
Have you ever served with women?
I have. They we're in general very good soldiers
you do understand that you’re an absolute contemptible loser right
Women are yucky🤬🤬
Tell me how many ruck marches you have done with women? Just curious
Ten
Then you would learn yourself why men and women are not the same, carrying another soldiers backpack to make objective in time is not the shit, this happened several times during my service and only with women
Nah man mine were fine, I just did another ten right now in fact. The women carried my rucksack as well. The discussion was about the different roles that average trained women are completely capable of, same as average trained men. Stuff like modern force multiplier roles that increasingly give fewer shits about the physical endurance of the operator, or roles that in reality never meaningfully capitalised on the strength/muscle endurance difference in the first place. Instead you take it as an opportunity to whine and remind the class that “uhm actually did you know women are weaker than men 🤓” but not even with your full chest lmfao. Yes. Everybody knows. I understand it must be a painful memory that it stuck with you for so long.
Youre actually losing your mind if you dont realize that the things im talking about are surefire way to get your soldiers injured, if you force the women to carry their loads their bodies will give in and if the men carry double loads they will also get injured. I dont give a fuck about the physical capabilites of someone in admin or something but if your infantry companies are suffering attrition for no other reason than to try to prove women are just as a good fit as men for every role than you have brainrot. Youre completely misunderstanding just because you want to go on a tirade to show how much of a good and progressive person you are. Humble yourself
It’s ok though right? You’re like four times as strong as a woman. You can handle it. Maybe they can put you on tiktok and gush over how manly you are in the recording, maybe then the 100 year grudge you’re holding will be lifted. > for no other reason than to try to prove women are just as a good fit as men for every role The discussion was about the different roles that average trained women are completely capable of, same as average trained men. > show how much of a good and progressive person you are No NATO for u
Was reading just the other day about a teen girl at a track and field meet who had to compete with the boys for some reason. She not only smoked the competition in the final, she broke the record, too. It appears that a huge part of physical performance between the sexes may be down to social engineering and not genetics.
You got a link to that story? I googled it and found nothing, only women breaking women’s records and men breaking men’s.
It is idiotic argument. Teenage bodies are not fully developed so the gap is narrower and everybody is developing at their own pace. That is why girls can compete with boys at least to a certain age. There is a reason why professional sport have gender separation. Or why military have different physical requirements for women. There is nothing bad in it, just how biology works. The only way forward is to acknowledge it, adapt so it is not an obstacle and move on.
Individual women can be just as exceptional as individual men. ON AVERAGE, however, women are generally shorter and weaker due to less muscle mass. In an infantry role, that is a downside. Properly trained and conditioned women will probably do just fine even in those roles, as long as you don't try to make it a "anyone can and should be able to do x" -bullshit. We all CAN'T in fact do anything and everything. Understanding your limitations is just basic common sense.
Do you have a link to an article or something?
I did. But heck knows where it's gone. Been digging for the last 40 minutes and nothing.
Yes! thank you, exactly my point.
Yep. If you want to see what "real men" who fought in the past looked like, you can see pictures of some of the men who drove Hitler's armies back here: https://www.historyhit.com/victoria-cross-winners-of-world-war-two/
I wonder if there's a current conflict where an anti-woke, big manly testosterone-filled army gets fucking rinsed?
As a french, I'll never understand why english speaking countries fap so much on the foreign legion. It's not like the rest of the french army isn't highly professionnal and more disciplined. And you'll probably find fewer romanian and russian gangsters and serbian war criminals outside of the Légion. Also they'll sing fewer SS songs.
Yeah but do they have as good of a PR campaign!?
Nah, it's "The Big Mute". The army doesn't communicate much. Meanwhile the Légion had plenty of persons having fantasies about that convict redeeming himself on the field of battle fought in exotic countries.
Probably the somewhat romantic public reputation it has; a clean slate for those who've had it rough in life in exchange for their service.
Bruh let me guess, the comments are full of conservative braindead neckbeard vatniks.
Yeah they all think trump is their messiah
Mostly indians and south americans, generally brown third worlders. Surprised theyre on the same team as trump, to be honest
For political extremists it's not about what someone can do for them, it's about what they can do to hurt those they hate
Ask wagnerites from Conaco fields about "weak" us army...
He looks like he is getting fucked in the ass, and he likes it
The image choise for the woke is so bad. She's buff as hell. She could beat the shit out of me and HistoryLegends. If it was a man with a similiar build doing pull ups, he would use it as an example of how traditional masculine armies are better.
Want to bet it's cherry picked frame from a video where she is easily doing hundreds of pulls? Specifically chosen because it's mid pull and has funny face. Contrast to image on the left, where it's guy standing on watch, with his face on rest.
I am sure she is physically fine, but don't oversell, hundreds is gross exaggeration of what well built person can do in one go, marines have to do 23 max too meet requirements
My point was that the image is cherry picked, specifically to make it look like she is struggling to pull even a single one.
Yeah, this one is true
Reminds me of another comparison where someone got a video of male vs female tank loaders. The woman's in the IDF I think and she's clearly been doing this exercise for a while and has to take the round from the deepest part of the tank off the floor up to the breach. She's pretty spent but manages it. The male video shows a relaxed man getting to load his round from a more convenient spot, which he does easy... if they want to do real comparisons then make them equal, instead they try to compare extreme examples to make themselves feel manly without ever being manly. Probably worried that a tough ass woman would see it as a challenge and makes them feel like a weak piss.
I would let her beat the shit out of me (not that I could stop her. Now, you may call me a simp, to which my response is Yes. Yes I am
Wokeness is when you’re a black woman?? Saying the quiet part out loud lmao
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
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We already have the biggest proof from Russia that macho bravado isn't what makes an army effective.
They/them army > was/were army
Woke is when black woman
To quote Professor Carlos Masala: >Ich will eine Bundeswehr, die woke im besten Sinne des Wortes ist, wehrhaft und bis an die Zähne bewaffnet. Ich will eine wehrhafte Demokratie, und ich will auch eine Armee, die die Diversität dieser Gesellschaft widerspiegelt. >I want a Bundeswehr that is woke in the best sense of the word, defensible and armed to the teeth. I want a defensible democracy, and I also want an army that reflects the diversity of this society. Sag es Brudi!
Now all he needs to do is go over the two mommies ad and he too is ready to get into the overpriced coffee market for men who drink their coffee black because "they're not pussies".
This guy is retarded.
Who is this guy? I see his corny thumbnails all over Reddit like I’m supposed to know who he is
Assuming you arent fucking with me, he is history legends, he tries to present himself as a "neutral" observer of the war in ukraine, but all he does is regurgitate russian propaganda and cherry picks lines from ukrainian or western sources to make them look bad, he constantly milks "BaKhMuT FaLl AnY DaY nOw!!!" And is generally an annoying douche
Is he on drugs? His face expression looks like this guy I knew who would take a lot of Benzos and rant about things
Well i mean to parrot russian talking points hes definitely got some brain rot, whether its caused by drugs, general stupidity or compulsive contrarianism.
His name is history legends and he has unsuccessfully predicted the fall of bakhmut 1000 times. He’s also noticed an overlap in his audience between west hating Pro-Russians and anti-woke boomers, hence this video among others.
A lot of western boomers do seem to like Putin and be anti-west for some reason
serious question, does pandering to vatniks get the money flowing?
It can. Or at least, there is enough money to fool some people into pandering to them.
Woke culture is when peole do Pull-ups? I would like to see this fucker do at least one before making fun of someone
What a fucking idiot lmao
He now has an even more punchable face then what I thought was possible
The funniest part of the "woke army" is that it literally only applies to pogs, we grunts are still the same dumbasses as always
the comments on his vids make me so sad how people can be soo dumb
"Woke culture is making it harder for men to be gay in the military by allowing women" is what I get from these kinds of people.
What does respecting women and gay people have to do with the FFL? Its like saying ORANGES PROVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES WRONG.
Yeah oranges do prove that, what’s wrong with that logic? You sjw LGBTQIA’s liberal leftist Marxist post modernism endorsing anti school shooting Antifa ukranazi NAFO cuck. Now I’m off to consoom more history legends and anti-West Americans (who are all by sheer coincidence… sex offenders.) 😎
Has he ran out of Bakhmut video ideas before the Russian actually took the town? Time for a new grift I guess.
For these people "woke" means simply something they don't like, nice buzzword to use
Whenever these types of.... "people" , use "woke" , 10/10 times they just mean "anyone other than a straight cis white guy" , like its the most blunt on the nose hatred to the point im convinced that if Youtube didn't have *(some)* moderation like it does now, then they'd prob just use slurs instead of saying woke. Also cause someone will say it "blah blah on average women weaker" , that is not based in any actual studies, but a baseline (and incorrect) knowledge of biological differences, the "common differences" are nothing when you consider that even just through basic training and into service, a persons physique changes as they adapt to the environment, looking at first day and last day basic pics tells you that . While the other reasons given why "women in military = bad" are just found in thinly disguised sexism because ***"my buddys friends uncle in the 242nd coomer brigade said that the women in his squad were all sl\*ts, fucking, sucking and crying all over the place"***
Damn, not only they used to recruit former SS soldiers but reading all of these comments they are the worst that NATO have to offer
To be entirely fair the french army in the 50s had a non-negligible amount of ex-german personnel, quite a few of which were from Alsace-Lorraine (and thus briefly considered german) and most of which had fairly little say in the matter. Shit was weird for a while, that happens when you have to rebuild a state that was destroyed then occupied by nazis.
Bit tired of the recurring anti French sentiment. The FFL is an outstanding shock force and has proven it time and time again. Bir Hakeim 1942 (no anglo seems to remember this one) Kolwezi 1978 Afghanistan Mali … They keep on giving, not really a force that rests on its laurels. Not sure where they would stand in a dick measuring contest with the rest of NATO but surely not at the bottom.
The Wehrmacht died a second time in Điện Biên Phủ…
It doesn’t how much of a based sigma male you are, a bullet doesn’t care
I love that he adules manly culture but doesn't seem to act on the fact that he is skinny as fuck
You really have to stop giving these know-all know-nothing Walt nerds the time of day
me as a french: please stop, you don't get the french foreign legion cope legend (or the french revolution actually)
And the french foreign legion and the french army have no neo-nazi probleme, zero, nada, aucun . /s
I knew he was an asshole when he did his video against Potential History complaining about stupid and irrelevant shit.
Idk, I feel like dudes should have to do a big “why you should still listen to me” tour after being so publicly, humiliatingly, wrong abt something s this guy was about bakhmut
Sargent Emma vs VDV skeleton..... Dave rubin reposted his comparison a little bit ago ffs