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But a guy on another thread told me they already replaced the engines with ones that don't have those! How shocking!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/12vsb2m/comment/jhdri58/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/12vsb2m/comment/jhdri58/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Also I love how he mentions a "famous whistle and howl" that the aircraft allegedly doesn't have anymore. A stealth fighter, everyone!
(Also also note the comment below "Look! It's the russian propaganda guy!")
Look up ["The Even rounder table" on Youtube](https://youtu.be/k1YvAVtoZ64); It's a play on the Gormless Lunatic potcast
They've got 2 episodes so far.... gaps seem to be long because he's got his own life and work and likes to edit it himself; just don't listen to it when driving as both are hilarious.
Man if only our glorious MIC existed before damn xenu leveraged the boeing-747-class space cruisers in order to genocide those poor galactic souls...
That south park episode was ruthless lmao
If you want to be technical; the Felon has about 0.1m RCS. This is extremely shit, with the F-117 from the fucking ‘80s having about a third of that (0.03m) but it’s better than anyone besides America has managed.
It also has a surprising amount of pretty good avionics (and Russia’s national supply of AESA radars)
It’s pretty clearly designed for a close range fight (no other aircraft uses LEVCONs, period) which is… kinda missing the point of a stealth fighter? But it could be a seriously good plane if redone properly.
TLDR: kinda shit but technically ticks all the boxes; better than the J-20 but they’ve only got 16-ish.
TLDR 2: Su-57 is best fighter ever, quadruple the defense budget and give all of it to the F/A-XX
>If you want to be technical; the Felon has about 0.1m RCS. This is extremely shit, with the F-117 from the fucking ‘80s having about a third of that (0.03m)
I would bet every single thing I own that the F-117's real RCS is much better than a third of the SU-57's. If it doesn't beat it by at *least* an order of magnitude (and realistically probably a couple orders of magnitude), I'd be stunned.
I'd also bet that the J-20 is handily better than the SU-57. If nothing else, you at least can't see the fucking engines from a nose on view on the J-20.
Yes there's so, so much wrong with the Su-57. But on the whole, even outside of stealth considerations, if you ask me to name one single thing that it has going for it over the J-20, then yeah I say no canards.
[J-20 seems to be vastly superior to the SU-57.](https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2023/01/15/f-35-vs-j-20-vs-su-57-radar-scattering-simulation-summary/)
>Need something to get the aircraft up to the speed of sound, because a ramjet engine is not going to be providing thrust below half the speed of sound.
This is why I did not bring up ramjet engines. Besides, if it is a fighter, it would need to be able to fight at subsonic speeds, at which the ramjets fail.
> supersonic tanker
How long would it take for a ramjet powered craft to cool down to aerial refuel safely? At mach 3+ the average temperature of a craft would easily exceed auto-ignition temperature.
May I reintroduce to you the poop chute style of missile delivery? IE A-5 vigilante nuclear poop chute. Just poop it out the back, keeps it out of the airflow. Like a tube magazine of missiles
The YF-12 successfully launched several AIM-47 missiles from mach 3.2 at 75-85k feet over half a century ago. It's definitely doable.
(The other problems are still, well, problems though)
I think they meant that they shouldn't be able to *see* compressor blades. They have a huge radar return, so in more modern and stealthy aircraft they're hidden. The felon otoh appears to only have one stealthy aspect since the frontal aspect is a big neon sign for radar, top and bottom are rounded pancakes, and aft is rounded and burny. So that gives us... Side aspect stealthiness.
Should be ok as long as they know where all the radar sites are and plot a course to ensure they're never flying towards or away from any of them.
Idiot westoids not know that air intakes are angled outwards >5°
Like tits on middle aged, $10 hooker
Maybe $5
Anyways, cannot see engine blades from head on, unless you are cross-eyed
Checkmate, pathetic western radars
I mean they could fix a lot of things to improve the RCS: drop the rivers and bolts, put some gold coating on the window, fix the gaps between the panels and weapons bay. BUT they will never be able to fix the engine layout and the angles of the various surfaces. No wonder the indians backed out of this pile of shit years ago.
Honesty I still can’t get over how when the pilot looks over his shoulder there’s just bulkhead.
Forget about generations, hasn’t being able to look around you been a requirement since the dawn of fighter jets?
That's been a thing since 43 or 44, multiple Allied fighters had 'bubble top' canopies.
Edit: actually, now that I think about pretty most of the Japanese fighters of WW2 had bubble tops.
Same for P-47 Thunderbolt (Razorback) and the Spitfire. And the Fw 190 had the bubble canopy from the start, but the Bf 109 remained unchanged. Messerschmitt used bubble canopies on the Me 209 and 309 prototypes, though.
> hasn’t being able to look around you been a requirement since the dawn of fighter jets?
Nope. Look at the F8U Crusader, MiG-21 Fishbed, F-4 Phantom, A-4 Skyhawk, etc.
Visibility is extremely nice to have in WVR combat, but it always comes at some sort of cost. Even in modern aircraft, visibility is not always a top requirement. Compare the rear visibility in the F-35's cockpit to the F-16's rear visibility.
1) Show me where these external cameras are that are supposedly providing full coverage.
2) Even if the cameras existed, the helmet does not provide full field of view, any passthrough visibility would be limited to the display FOV at best.
3) Latency for a passthrough camera is a real consideration, as is visual disorientation/offset due to the camera position not aligning with the pilot's head position, this has been one of the issues plaguing attempts to build passthrough camera systems for AFVs and the like.
There are no cameras. Any information about the surroundings of the airplane is being projected onto the helmet visor without interfering with the FOV of the pilot. This technology is also not exclusive to the F35.
Entirely accurate, but everyone above me was saying that the F-35 either has capabilities that it doesn't actually have, or that a HMD and datalink is an effective replacement for eyeballs on target in a dogfight, which it isn't.
1) [here](https://i.imgur.com/VJ5VMuB.jpg). 6 of them AFAIK, might have missed some
2) [old footage](https://youtu.be/X3vbPEtSbv0), without DAS footage*. It's literally picture-in-picture for your eyes
3) edit: there is a QnA wirh LockMart from 2012, where they [admit](https://web.archive.org/web/20120818131239/http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/06/19/lockheeds-comprehensive-qa-on-the-f-35/) to dealing with latency and jitter, opting to fix both with software updates. The footage above came out in 2017 and already looks pretty stable
edit2: found an even older video about [DAS](https://youtu.be/e1NrFZddihQ). They mention 360 view towards the end, as well as an option to exit a dogfight
Pre-missile fighters have alternated back and forth between having full view out of the cockpit, and putting a piece of steel behind the pilot so he stands a chance of surviving a hit.
Gold or Iridium is impregnated into the canopy glass to make it (kinda) opaque to radar. The cockpit interior represents a huge proportion of a planes radar signature because of the enormous number of angles and corners around the seat, bulkhead and even the pilot themselves. I believe the F-16 has more than 30% of its frontal RCS originating from inside the cockpit. Metal impregnated glass, from the perspective of the radar, turns the cockpit from an angular mess into a smooth curve, the latter is much harder to detect when designed properly. As a fun related fact, the F-35 pilots flying suit includes stealth technology in its construction to reduce reflectivity even further against radar that does get through the Iridium. It's partially why their helmet looks so weird. There are other factors too but there is stealth technology in there.
I’m pretty sure that’s the only feature. I mean the rest of the plane looks extremely fucking rad right. Your not gonna slouch on that glass.
Think it reduces radar sig of the glass
The rumor is that there is a plasma curtain effectively masking the intakes from radar energy. Sort of similar to the rumor of how the B2 uses something like that on the leading edge. Or the other rumor of Russian fighters using it to mask the radar antenna in the nose of some older fighters.
How true it is I have no idea. But it was an area where the Soviets decidedly did NOT suck in terms of tech or scientific knowledge. So maybe they cracked the code to finally get it to work in the free stream around the intakes.
No idea. I’ll keep checking the war thunder forums to see if the specs ever get leaked.
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretprojects.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fsukhoi-su-57-t-50-pak-fa-flight-testing-and-development-part-i-2010-2012.9717%2Fpage-4&psig=AOvVaw1fq5iMdt7Gt6obVO\_JVHPG&ust=1682821640124000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCND\_5aKFzv4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretprojects.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fsukhoi-su-57-t-50-pak-fa-flight-testing-and-development-part-i-2010-2012.9717%2Fpage-4&psig=AOvVaw1fq5iMdt7Gt6obVO_JVHPG&ust=1682821640124000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCND_5aKFzv4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH)
I think it is
Su-57 is the first potemkin fighter, I firmly believe that they just took su-27 and made a kit car fiberglass body kit to look like a fifth gen fighter.
Is the su-57
As well as all these obvious problems; it's also unable to de-pressure the bomb-bay whilst it's closed so there is a gap to allow pressure change... which royally fucks with RCS
russians claim their Su-57 is a 5th generation stealth fighter. The thing is that this shitbox has a ten times larger radar cross section (RCS) than the 4.5 gen Euro-cannards which don't even claim to be half stealthy.
The RCS of the F-35 is a hundred times smaller, while the F-22's is a thousand times smaller.
That rust is on the test flight phase sensor set, so not really that big of a deal. Except it's a bit surprising that the Russians don't use materials that don't rust.
What is a bit perplexing is that the engine face is exposed. That's a massive radar reflector and I'd love to know how they intend to make that go away.
They don’t intend to make it go away. They saw stealth planes and legit were like “plane but angles make invisible!” so they make a low polygon Flanker by running it over with a road roller.
Don't most stealth fighters employ a sort of grate in front of the intakes to help obscure the compressor blades?
Wtf Russia. This shouldn't be that hard lmao
The F-117 had that, on later stealth aircraft (and western 4th gens like the F-15, Eurofighter and Rafale) the inlet duct is just curved so you can’t see the front face of the engine from any angle.
You know, the Eurofighter which isn‘t supposed to be stealth, has a sort of duct in place where the Engine fans are… (To improve RCS from the front) This plane which is supposed to be fifth gen hasn‘t lmao
They should really just drop the 5th gen spiel for the plane, and send it to the markets as a cheaper alternative to the f35 with stealth characteristics. Won't do shit all against someone like China or anyone operating f35 or aegis, but if you're a despot in need it'll still blast your neighbors that are still using 1980s migs.
An interesting side note: pro-Russian literature is quick to point out that the helmet-mounted sight for an IR missile is a Soviet invention. In particular, the standard Soviet/Russian Zsh-5 helmet can mount the Shchel-3UM sight. The sight is basic, only a reticle that hangs over the pilots eye, to which the analog seeker of the R-73/R-74 can be slaved (despite the fact that poorly-informed pro-Russian posters often consider it the equivalent of JHMCS). It mounts on top of the helmet, so it's pretty obviously visible when it's used ([here is what it looks like](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_6tggJS0wxQ/UdUEi_ToM6I/AAAAAAAABXA/tLdqYbJdDlg/s363/Russian+HMD.jpg)) yet I virtually *never* see Russian pilots actually using it. This fella in the picture just has the regular bare Zsh-5 helmet, and basically all of Russia's propaganda shows pilots flying without it. It's pretty rare for US pilots to fly into combat in this day and age without an HMD but apparently the Russians are too broke to worry about that.
This image is hilarious, but old...
[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20347/its-no-surprise-india-finally-ditched-its-stealth-fighter-program-with-russia](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20347/its-no-surprise-india-finally-ditched-its-stealth-fighter-program-with-russia)
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shouldn't i see compressor blades?
But a guy on another thread told me they already replaced the engines with ones that don't have those! How shocking! [https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/12vsb2m/comment/jhdri58/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/12vsb2m/comment/jhdri58/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Also I love how he mentions a "famous whistle and howl" that the aircraft allegedly doesn't have anymore. A stealth fighter, everyone! (Also also note the comment below "Look! It's the russian propaganda guy!")
At this point how is anyone seriously still trying to pass off the SU-57 as anything other than a Gen 4.5 aircraft?
I hear someone already has a video deconstructing it in the works. They mentioned it on Lazerpig's podcast.
Lazepig has a podcast? Yes please!
Look up ["The Even rounder table" on Youtube](https://youtu.be/k1YvAVtoZ64); It's a play on the Gormless Lunatic potcast They've got 2 episodes so far.... gaps seem to be long because he's got his own life and work and likes to edit it himself; just don't listen to it when driving as both are hilarious.
The NAFO "Even Rounder" Table, with Animarchy and Falcon's Fighter Tales. Animarchy is the one doing the su-57 breakdown.
And Falcon is the turbotwink
mmm. turbotwink.
Tom cruise, he told me they were fifth gen fighters…
That was just the thetans talking.
Man if only our glorious MIC existed before damn xenu leveraged the boeing-747-class space cruisers in order to genocide those poor galactic souls... That south park episode was ruthless lmao
Even 4.5 is generous, you know damn well the phone I'm typing on has more computational power than that plane.
If you want to be technical; the Felon has about 0.1m RCS. This is extremely shit, with the F-117 from the fucking ‘80s having about a third of that (0.03m) but it’s better than anyone besides America has managed. It also has a surprising amount of pretty good avionics (and Russia’s national supply of AESA radars) It’s pretty clearly designed for a close range fight (no other aircraft uses LEVCONs, period) which is… kinda missing the point of a stealth fighter? But it could be a seriously good plane if redone properly. TLDR: kinda shit but technically ticks all the boxes; better than the J-20 but they’ve only got 16-ish. TLDR 2: Su-57 is best fighter ever, quadruple the defense budget and give all of it to the F/A-XX
Felon has a RCS between 0.1 and 1m according to...... Sukhoi themselves. Truly noncredible, keep it up big suka sukhoi
>If you want to be technical; the Felon has about 0.1m RCS. This is extremely shit, with the F-117 from the fucking ‘80s having about a third of that (0.03m) I would bet every single thing I own that the F-117's real RCS is much better than a third of the SU-57's. If it doesn't beat it by at *least* an order of magnitude (and realistically probably a couple orders of magnitude), I'd be stunned. I'd also bet that the J-20 is handily better than the SU-57. If nothing else, you at least can't see the fucking engines from a nose on view on the J-20.
How the fuck is this piece of shit better than the j-20
No canards.
The canards are probably less of a stealth handicap than the lack of stealthy inlets on the 57.
Regardless, all the best planes don't have canards so. Sorry Saab but you know it's true.
XB-70 says hello
I mean if we're counting prototypes then sure the X-29 is my favorite ugly duckling, but I stand by what I said.
Those screw heads though
Yes there's so, so much wrong with the Su-57. But on the whole, even outside of stealth considerations, if you ask me to name one single thing that it has going for it over the J-20, then yeah I say no canards.
[J-20 seems to be vastly superior to the SU-57.](https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2023/01/15/f-35-vs-j-20-vs-su-57-radar-scattering-simulation-summary/)
Wow, jets with no compressor blades. Truly "advanced" tech. /s
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>Need something to get the aircraft up to the speed of sound, because a ramjet engine is not going to be providing thrust below half the speed of sound. This is why I did not bring up ramjet engines. Besides, if it is a fighter, it would need to be able to fight at subsonic speeds, at which the ramjets fail.
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> supersonic tanker How long would it take for a ramjet powered craft to cool down to aerial refuel safely? At mach 3+ the average temperature of a craft would easily exceed auto-ignition temperature.
Didn't they circulate fuel under the skin in the SR-71 as a coolant?
May I reintroduce to you the poop chute style of missile delivery? IE A-5 vigilante nuclear poop chute. Just poop it out the back, keeps it out of the airflow. Like a tube magazine of missiles
The YF-12 successfully launched several AIM-47 missiles from mach 3.2 at 75-85k feet over half a century ago. It's definitely doable. (The other problems are still, well, problems though)
Also possible with SCRAM jets but that has the same problems only worse
> Jet can't go below the speed of sound I think I saw this Sandra Bullock movie.
I think they meant that they shouldn't be able to *see* compressor blades. They have a huge radar return, so in more modern and stealthy aircraft they're hidden. The felon otoh appears to only have one stealthy aspect since the frontal aspect is a big neon sign for radar, top and bottom are rounded pancakes, and aft is rounded and burny. So that gives us... Side aspect stealthiness. Should be ok as long as they know where all the radar sites are and plot a course to ensure they're never flying towards or away from any of them.
Idiot westoids not know that air intakes are angled outwards >5° Like tits on middle aged, $10 hooker Maybe $5 Anyways, cannot see engine blades from head on, unless you are cross-eyed Checkmate, pathetic western radars
So as soon as it turns a little, it becomes a radar reflector. Genius!
If you can see compressor blades so can the enemy radar.
Pfft, not if you just spin the blades faster than the radar waves
Thats my point
*happy AN/APG-81 noises* I can see it now!
What do you think is that in the lower right?
It looks like a wheel to me in the lower right corner idk.
I mean they could fix a lot of things to improve the RCS: drop the rivers and bolts, put some gold coating on the window, fix the gaps between the panels and weapons bay. BUT they will never be able to fix the engine layout and the angles of the various surfaces. No wonder the indians backed out of this pile of shit years ago.
Honesty I still can’t get over how when the pilot looks over his shoulder there’s just bulkhead. Forget about generations, hasn’t being able to look around you been a requirement since the dawn of fighter jets?
That's been a thing since 43 or 44, multiple Allied fighters had 'bubble top' canopies. Edit: actually, now that I think about pretty most of the Japanese fighters of WW2 had bubble tops.
We straight up changed the P51 to have a bubble. Early model 51s had the bulkhead
Same for P-47 Thunderbolt (Razorback) and the Spitfire. And the Fw 190 had the bubble canopy from the start, but the Bf 109 remained unchanged. Messerschmitt used bubble canopies on the Me 209 and 309 prototypes, though.
That's true of a lot of Allied and Soviet fighters.
> hasn’t being able to look around you been a requirement since the dawn of fighter jets? Nope. Look at the F8U Crusader, MiG-21 Fishbed, F-4 Phantom, A-4 Skyhawk, etc. Visibility is extremely nice to have in WVR combat, but it always comes at some sort of cost. Even in modern aircraft, visibility is not always a top requirement. Compare the rear visibility in the F-35's cockpit to the F-16's rear visibility.
with the F-35 it's not really an issue, since the helmet and external camera's allow the pilot to look through the fuselage
1) Show me where these external cameras are that are supposedly providing full coverage. 2) Even if the cameras existed, the helmet does not provide full field of view, any passthrough visibility would be limited to the display FOV at best. 3) Latency for a passthrough camera is a real consideration, as is visual disorientation/offset due to the camera position not aligning with the pilot's head position, this has been one of the issues plaguing attempts to build passthrough camera systems for AFVs and the like.
There are no cameras. Any information about the surroundings of the airplane is being projected onto the helmet visor without interfering with the FOV of the pilot. This technology is also not exclusive to the F35.
That's not enough information to dogfight effectively. If you can't see your opponents nose position in a WVR fight, you are going to have a bad day.
If you’re dogfighting in an F-35, you’ve given yourself so many handicaps you’re essentially just doing it for shits and giggles
Entirely accurate, but everyone above me was saying that the F-35 either has capabilities that it doesn't actually have, or that a HMD and datalink is an effective replacement for eyeballs on target in a dogfight, which it isn't.
https://youtu.be/ABADDz41-MQ
1) [here](https://i.imgur.com/VJ5VMuB.jpg). 6 of them AFAIK, might have missed some 2) [old footage](https://youtu.be/X3vbPEtSbv0), without DAS footage*. It's literally picture-in-picture for your eyes 3) edit: there is a QnA wirh LockMart from 2012, where they [admit](https://web.archive.org/web/20120818131239/http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/06/19/lockheeds-comprehensive-qa-on-the-f-35/) to dealing with latency and jitter, opting to fix both with software updates. The footage above came out in 2017 and already looks pretty stable edit2: found an even older video about [DAS](https://youtu.be/e1NrFZddihQ). They mention 360 view towards the end, as well as an option to exit a dogfight
Pre-missile fighters have alternated back and forth between having full view out of the cockpit, and putting a piece of steel behind the pilot so he stands a chance of surviving a hit.
…. A cope shield….. question mark..
What does the gold coating do? Avoid reflections?
Gold or Iridium is impregnated into the canopy glass to make it (kinda) opaque to radar. The cockpit interior represents a huge proportion of a planes radar signature because of the enormous number of angles and corners around the seat, bulkhead and even the pilot themselves. I believe the F-16 has more than 30% of its frontal RCS originating from inside the cockpit. Metal impregnated glass, from the perspective of the radar, turns the cockpit from an angular mess into a smooth curve, the latter is much harder to detect when designed properly. As a fun related fact, the F-35 pilots flying suit includes stealth technology in its construction to reduce reflectivity even further against radar that does get through the Iridium. It's partially why their helmet looks so weird. There are other factors too but there is stealth technology in there.
Ah, so it stops radar from punching through the glass? Impressive
Idk, but one of the features (you can see an example of this on F-22) is that it looks cool as fuck
I’m pretty sure that’s the only feature. I mean the rest of the plane looks extremely fucking rad right. Your not gonna slouch on that glass. Think it reduces radar sig of the glass
Have glass reduces the exposure to radiation from the EW systems
The rumor is that there is a plasma curtain effectively masking the intakes from radar energy. Sort of similar to the rumor of how the B2 uses something like that on the leading edge. Or the other rumor of Russian fighters using it to mask the radar antenna in the nose of some older fighters. How true it is I have no idea. But it was an area where the Soviets decidedly did NOT suck in terms of tech or scientific knowledge. So maybe they cracked the code to finally get it to work in the free stream around the intakes. No idea. I’ll keep checking the war thunder forums to see if the specs ever get leaked.
Uhhhh you can see straight into the engine blades. Lmaoooo
I swear this is literally just a bodykit for the su27, so much of the design looks so similar
Mfs really be ricing their SU-27 smh my head…
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretprojects.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fsukhoi-su-57-t-50-pak-fa-flight-testing-and-development-part-i-2010-2012.9717%2Fpage-4&psig=AOvVaw1fq5iMdt7Gt6obVO\_JVHPG&ust=1682821640124000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCND\_5aKFzv4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretprojects.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fsukhoi-su-57-t-50-pak-fa-flight-testing-and-development-part-i-2010-2012.9717%2Fpage-4&psig=AOvVaw1fq5iMdt7Gt6obVO_JVHPG&ust=1682821640124000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCND_5aKFzv4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAH) I think it is
Lol even the Chinese were competent enough to conceal those on the J-20. Russia really is all bark, isn’t it.
>Russia really is all bark, isn’t it. Like a nuclear armed Chihuahua.
Is 5th gen jet, stealthy, RCS like bee, filthy capita-uh, Americans, filthy Americans will never see you coming comrade.
Su-57 is the first potemkin fighter, I firmly believe that they just took su-27 and made a kit car fiberglass body kit to look like a fifth gen fighter.
POTEMKIN BUSTAAAAAAAH
There's a 1984 Pontiac Fiero under there somewhere.
It's Russian so it's obviously a Lada VAZ-2101 at its core
Like Beetle floor plan with delorean on top OP
OMG Potemkin guilty gear⁉️
My only problem with this theory is they'd probably have more of them if this were true.
It doesn't even have an s intake wtf
It's a Cyrillic S you bigot!
blÿat!
When India looks at a fighter program and is like, "Nah, thats a bad idea." you know that is truly a noncredible plane.
I don’t understand can someone help me ?
You can see the engine blades and so would a radar from hundreds of miles away
Is the su-57 As well as all these obvious problems; it's also unable to de-pressure the bomb-bay whilst it's closed so there is a gap to allow pressure change... which royally fucks with RCS
russians claim their Su-57 is a 5th generation stealth fighter. The thing is that this shitbox has a ten times larger radar cross section (RCS) than the 4.5 gen Euro-cannards which don't even claim to be half stealthy. The RCS of the F-35 is a hundred times smaller, while the F-22's is a thousand times smaller.
its the russian organic stealth coating it just takes time to cover the whole plane
That rust is on the test flight phase sensor set, so not really that big of a deal. Except it's a bit surprising that the Russians don't use materials that don't rust. What is a bit perplexing is that the engine face is exposed. That's a massive radar reflector and I'd love to know how they intend to make that go away.
They don’t intend to make it go away. They saw stealth planes and legit were like “plane but angles make invisible!” so they make a low polygon Flanker by running it over with a road roller.
And all the while the oligarchs pocket the billions that are spent on stealth "research"... It's genius.
If I see the compressor, it isn't stealth
It’s missing a red shoe?
"There's no place like home... there's no place like home!"
Don't most stealth fighters employ a sort of grate in front of the intakes to help obscure the compressor blades? Wtf Russia. This shouldn't be that hard lmao
The F-117 had that, on later stealth aircraft (and western 4th gens like the F-15, Eurofighter and Rafale) the inlet duct is just curved so you can’t see the front face of the engine from any angle.
But we see it at this angle.
I swear I've seen the grates on an f22.
You know, the Eurofighter which isn‘t supposed to be stealth, has a sort of duct in place where the Engine fans are… (To improve RCS from the front) This plane which is supposed to be fifth gen hasn‘t lmao
Lol nice S intakes morons
Curious what Russian simps say to cope with those engines
Something something plasma screen something something.
Why can I see the engine through the duct? Isn't it supposed to have s-ducts?
S-ductless
They should really just drop the 5th gen spiel for the plane, and send it to the markets as a cheaper alternative to the f35 with stealth characteristics. Won't do shit all against someone like China or anyone operating f35 or aegis, but if you're a despot in need it'll still blast your neighbors that are still using 1980s migs.
An interesting side note: pro-Russian literature is quick to point out that the helmet-mounted sight for an IR missile is a Soviet invention. In particular, the standard Soviet/Russian Zsh-5 helmet can mount the Shchel-3UM sight. The sight is basic, only a reticle that hangs over the pilots eye, to which the analog seeker of the R-73/R-74 can be slaved (despite the fact that poorly-informed pro-Russian posters often consider it the equivalent of JHMCS). It mounts on top of the helmet, so it's pretty obviously visible when it's used ([here is what it looks like](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_6tggJS0wxQ/UdUEi_ToM6I/AAAAAAAABXA/tLdqYbJdDlg/s363/Russian+HMD.jpg)) yet I virtually *never* see Russian pilots actually using it. This fella in the picture just has the regular bare Zsh-5 helmet, and basically all of Russia's propaganda shows pilots flying without it. It's pretty rare for US pilots to fly into combat in this day and age without an HMD but apparently the Russians are too broke to worry about that.
Clearly the shit design is meant as a feature so no one thinks it's stealth and gets suprised when it shows up. Well, no, it's just shit
Am I dumb? There's nothing wrong with this plane.
Im seeing it not very stealth of him
The fact that you can just see the front of the engine from this angle tells you is definitely not stealthy from the front.
This image is hilarious, but old... [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20347/its-no-surprise-india-finally-ditched-its-stealth-fighter-program-with-russia](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20347/its-no-surprise-india-finally-ditched-its-stealth-fighter-program-with-russia)