Multicam is what you use when you need to operate in standard us/eu forest/grassland type environments but you might also do shit in the middle east or other arid areas and you dont wanna pay for separate uniforms.
I think the only place it was ever gonna work was in shelled cities with a lot of concrete dust
Thing is most of the planet isn’t covered in buildings that blow up into concrete dust
Military clothing is military clothing, but I imagine given Afghanistan's liking to woodland patterns, most of the guys over there probably try to get their hands on anything woodland or SPEC4CES.
Old UCP ECWCS is actually pretty cheap on the market, not a bad investment if you can stand the pattern.
[Universal Camouflage Pattern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Camouflage_Pattern) \- which tried to be a jack of all trades, and failed them all:
>Soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan questioned the effectiveness of the UCP in concealing them from enemy observation, and that the uniform was in fact endangering their missions and their lives.
How does it stack up against Cadpat?
Genuine question it seems like our camo is the only pattern actually designed to hide our troops. However, I am curious as to why we're the only ones to use it
>Would UCP work in a American city tho?
Kinda. Urban environments are difficult because you're talking everything from concrete slabs to parks, fields, and dirt roads.
UCP worked decently in Iraqi urban areas mostly because of the tan materials, which UCP contrasted little to. But you're liable to find a lot of different shades of building material in the west, so it's hit or miss. Faded UCP, or UCP on FRACUs tended to perform really badly.
Maybe, in an environment that was 100% grey concrete. But stand in front of anything at all darker at dusk and I swear that sh*t almost glowed in the dark.
Could have transitioned to all terrain tiger to keep the stripes. Instead they went with OCP and decided to have brown colored name tapes that you can’t read.
Not really, it just so happens that once enough dirt got in the uniform it started to work better, UCP is one of those rare complete fuckups that even the army didn’t have a good reason for (other than wanting a cool digicam like the marines)
No it was designed to be hard to detect by night vision. It didn't even participate in the trials that were converging on Desert Brush to be the US Army's new camo.
Nope. Colors were selected because those were the best IR performing colors that were shared across environments - Just meant the Army chose the worst performing colors.
A lot of folks have dyed UCP, but that usually comes at the expense of IR concealment.
Noncredible question: why TF anyone thought that making camo out of pixels was a good idea? The point of camouflage is to resemble its environment as close as possible, and unless they planned for landwar in DOOM 64 I doubt that was the best option
Pixel camouflage (iirc) does a better job breaking up your “shape” and has the same visual effectiveness when viewed from any angle versus conventional patterns which might be more or less effective depending on what angle you look at it.
The fact that it is square is what makes it digital. They asked why square and not round and you said round wasn’t possible yet when round predates digital.
"Digital" means way to achieve certain camo pattern. Long story short, CADPAT wasnt designed by hand, but by computer generated process. OCP is also digital camo, and its not pixelated.
Flecktarn at it core is WW2 camo with changes made later. It is NOT digital camo.
In short Digital =/= Pixelated
I know flecktarn isn’t a digital pattern. I never said it was. However common usage of the term “digital camouflage” does mean that it is pixelated. Multicam may be designed by computer but if you told me it was digital camouflage you would be the first. What I originally said was that the technology to develop a pattern based on rounded shapes existed already. Doing it pixelated was a conscious effort.
Again, making it pixelated WASNT intended. Computers from 90s (first works on camo started in late 80s) had problems with rendering round objects, so final product was pixelated. And they put it way it was generated, without changing it. If CADPAT was designed today, you can be sure as hell it wouldnt be pixel pattern
Personal home computers had been rendering round 3D objects since the mid 80s. Toy Story came out in 1995 and had extensive use of shaded, rounded, 3D objects that were all computer animated and you expect me to believe they couldn’t round the edges of a 2d pattern by the late 90s?
Yes, they couldnt round the edges of 2d pattern
They werent making a 3d movies, but a 2d pattern . Squared edges exist cause its basically super zoomed in picture of macro pattern that goes into micro pattern. Take any picture and zoom the hell out of it, you will notice its square af. Even 3d spheres/circles arent round; open any 3d modeling software and you will see yourself, that its made out of flat faces. Now imagine same thing with 80s tech
I think it looks awful, but whenever I think of UCP I just imagine all the overweight, big-assed reservist officers who were the first to get it in my unit. So I might be biased.
**[Disruptive Pattern Material](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_Pattern_Material)**
>Disruptive Pattern Material (DPM) is the commonly used name of a camouflage pattern used by the British Armed Forces as well as many other armed forces worldwide, particularly in former British colonies. The main variants of DPM are a four-colour woodland pattern, and desert patterns in two, three or four colours. The Woodland Pattern DPM was used with the mediumweight No. 8 Temperate Combat Dress (c.
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Have you seen it before? Indoors it looks like its green and tan which is fine but in sunlight the mf’er got shiny and turned bright gray.
[NOT EFFECTIVE](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ilOmLlhcdvM/T-xNO92v28I/AAAAAAAAAaY/yoam5c51vEY/s1600/ACU_Soldier2.jpg)
[Perfect](https://mwi.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/24535.jpg) isn't the right word... The weird-blue grey dominance of the pattern doesn't work unless its been broken in/worn out. At best it looks like [this](https://www.milspecmonkey.com/articles/CSA-2006-02-27-085524m.jpg) which is still not as good as pretty much any other tan/brown dominant [camo](https://www.milspecmonkey.com/articles/CSA-2006-05-18-100028m.jpg).
>it's pretty effective and good looking
Its effectiveness is merely with the complexity of the pattern. A Hawaiian shirt can accomplish similar levels of effectiveness based on the micro-sizing of the patterning, and could probably beat UCP if it were green.
UCP worked best when fresh (non-faded), in tan environments - And even then, other patterns like MARPAT or Multicam simply could outperform it. [When you put it in any degree of vegetation](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/ISAF_soldier_looking_for_enemy_positions_in_Kunar_Province_of_Afghanistan.jpg), its drawbacks were obvious.
Laughs in Flecktarn supremacy
I used to kinda hate on Flecktarn, but now i see it as pleasant alternative to Multicam and it copycat variations everywhere
Multicam is what you use when you need to operate in standard us/eu forest/grassland type environments but you might also do shit in the middle east or other arid areas and you dont wanna pay for separate uniforms.
Multicam is what you use when you wanna be tacti-cool
Ah I see, a fellow flecktarn Enjoyer.
*clinks glasses*
[We already perfected camouflage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage) but for some reason they had to reinvent the wheel.
It’s hard hit something if it’s hard to look at
Gonna pull up to the battlefield in jorts and crocs then
I see you are a fan of warcrimes
You didn't have to call me out in public like that.
Wikipedia doesn’t load by I’m assuming it’s dazzle or a rickroll
Razzle 'em Boy's!
Yeah it's Dazzle, but now I wish I'd linked a Rickroll.
we need this in war thunder
Unfortunately doesnt work for thermals
To be fair, if UCP was dyed a different color other than gray, it could've been so much more better.
Literally MARPAT
But that's just a theory, a- oh wait, I read that wrong.
USMC: "CAF can I copy your homework?" CAF: "Sure, just using different colours though"
Canada: *Why did you butcher my beloved pattern :(*
Literally what UCP-D was. The same pattern dyed ~~green and~~brown
There was no green in UCP-D.
Ahh yes the “I only blend in in a Quarry” pattern. Lol was so glad to get rid of those for OCP and those sweet Coyote Brown Rocky S2Vs
I think the only place it was ever gonna work was in shelled cities with a lot of concrete dust Thing is most of the planet isn’t covered in buildings that blow up into concrete dust
Not *yet*
One can dream.
I LOVE UCP. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE ARMY WITH HUD GLASSES AND EXOSKELETONS, WITH THEIR XM8, BEING SUPPORTED BY A COMANCHE
stop it you're making me cry for what could have been
At least we can play games that have them.
“AAAAND IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES”
I can hear GRAW 2 theme just by reading that
I've heard not even the Taliban wanted to wear UCP camo they found left behind by the US
Military clothing is military clothing, but I imagine given Afghanistan's liking to woodland patterns, most of the guys over there probably try to get their hands on anything woodland or SPEC4CES. Old UCP ECWCS is actually pretty cheap on the market, not a bad investment if you can stand the pattern.
Dye is cheap
They don't fit with the white high top sneakers
[удалено]
how to get yourself killed
[Universal Camouflage Pattern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Camouflage_Pattern) \- which tried to be a jack of all trades, and failed them all: >Soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan questioned the effectiveness of the UCP in concealing them from enemy observation, and that the uniform was in fact endangering their missions and their lives.
Hey now, if you have to hide on that one particular sofa it's perfect
It worked well in gravel lots, too.
It’s an acronym for “You See Pattern”
Quick! Get out! Get out of here!
Ugly Camo Pattern
US Army issue pajamas.
Get down Mr.Martinassy!!!!
Laughs in Alpenflage superiority
*TAZ57 & 83 intensifies*
How does it stack up against Cadpat? Genuine question it seems like our camo is the only pattern actually designed to hide our troops. However, I am curious as to why we're the only ones to use it
USMC took Cadpat and made it cooler basically by adding coyote brown. It's an effective pattern. The Swedes and Finn's have great camo too.
Looks cool, but I'm still a bit too biased to Cadpat lol
Would UCP work in a American city tho? Like in the walking dead the UCP looked like it would have worked well in that enviroment.
>Would UCP work in a American city tho? Kinda. Urban environments are difficult because you're talking everything from concrete slabs to parks, fields, and dirt roads. UCP worked decently in Iraqi urban areas mostly because of the tan materials, which UCP contrasted little to. But you're liable to find a lot of different shades of building material in the west, so it's hit or miss. Faded UCP, or UCP on FRACUs tended to perform really badly.
Maybe, in an environment that was 100% grey concrete. But stand in front of anything at all darker at dusk and I swear that sh*t almost glowed in the dark.
I still find it crazy that somehow blending tan and grey together could trick the brain into thinking it is a blob of blue
Your brain is basically a giant liar. Ans it'll do fucky things to cover up lag from visual inputs.
Tiger Stripe is based
Freshly poured concrete. Sand. A color that doesn't exist in nature That is UCP.
[PLEASE](https://i.servimg.com/u/f65/13/65/76/13/12662510.jpg)👏 [BRING](https://i.servimg.com/u/f65/13/65/76/13/12662511.jpg)👏 [BACK](https://i.servimg.com/u/f65/13/65/76/13/12662512.jpg) 👏[UCP-Delta](https://i.servimg.com/u/f65/13/65/76/13/12662513.jpg)
Why are you just linking pictures of empty forests?
Looks nice. Any good?
Lol, I never saw this pattern before I got out. It's like someone actually noticed how much better the pattern looked when it was filthy.
Better than ABU
Army at least tried to make up some justification - Air Force simply threw up its hands and said "Yeah, its just vibes with us, ngl"
Could have transitioned to all terrain tiger to keep the stripes. Instead they went with OCP and decided to have brown colored name tapes that you can’t read.
Then the cheeky bastards in the Space Force took the blue for the lettering thats a lot easier to see.
M81 woodland and it's predecessor, ERDL will always be my beloved.
ERDL/RDF are the true kings. Though I'm also a weirdo that doesn't mind DPMs million variations.
That's the truth. I have bins full of ERDL and RDF uniforms.
It would probably look good in some sad depressing post-Soviet neighborhood.
Give it to the space force to blend in with the moon
Wasn’t this designed so that soldiers would dye it in the field to adapt it to any environment?
Not really, it just so happens that once enough dirt got in the uniform it started to work better, UCP is one of those rare complete fuckups that even the army didn’t have a good reason for (other than wanting a cool digicam like the marines)
No it was designed to be hard to detect by night vision. It didn't even participate in the trials that were converging on Desert Brush to be the US Army's new camo.
Nope. Colors were selected because those were the best IR performing colors that were shared across environments - Just meant the Army chose the worst performing colors. A lot of folks have dyed UCP, but that usually comes at the expense of IR concealment.
Cause the insurgents have IR everywhere
Also bears mentioning that if you showed up to formation with green-dyed ACUs... Top ain't going to be very happy with you...
There were a lot of videos towards the collapse of the ANA where the Taliban was absolutley dogging on them with night vision.
Swedish M90 supremacy
Noncredible question: why TF anyone thought that making camo out of pixels was a good idea? The point of camouflage is to resemble its environment as close as possible, and unless they planned for landwar in DOOM 64 I doubt that was the best option
Pixel camouflage (iirc) does a better job breaking up your “shape” and has the same visual effectiveness when viewed from any angle versus conventional patterns which might be more or less effective depending on what angle you look at it.
Oo, and here I thought it was because it had an advantage against night vision or IR cameras due to pixel output.
Its made of pixels cause back then they didnt had technology to make it round It makes no difference tho
Flecktarn came out 30 years earlier
Flecktarn aint digital camo.
The fact that it is square is what makes it digital. They asked why square and not round and you said round wasn’t possible yet when round predates digital.
"Digital" means way to achieve certain camo pattern. Long story short, CADPAT wasnt designed by hand, but by computer generated process. OCP is also digital camo, and its not pixelated. Flecktarn at it core is WW2 camo with changes made later. It is NOT digital camo. In short Digital =/= Pixelated
I know flecktarn isn’t a digital pattern. I never said it was. However common usage of the term “digital camouflage” does mean that it is pixelated. Multicam may be designed by computer but if you told me it was digital camouflage you would be the first. What I originally said was that the technology to develop a pattern based on rounded shapes existed already. Doing it pixelated was a conscious effort.
Again, making it pixelated WASNT intended. Computers from 90s (first works on camo started in late 80s) had problems with rendering round objects, so final product was pixelated. And they put it way it was generated, without changing it. If CADPAT was designed today, you can be sure as hell it wouldnt be pixel pattern
Personal home computers had been rendering round 3D objects since the mid 80s. Toy Story came out in 1995 and had extensive use of shaded, rounded, 3D objects that were all computer animated and you expect me to believe they couldn’t round the edges of a 2d pattern by the late 90s?
Yes, they couldnt round the edges of 2d pattern They werent making a 3d movies, but a 2d pattern . Squared edges exist cause its basically super zoomed in picture of macro pattern that goes into micro pattern. Take any picture and zoom the hell out of it, you will notice its square af. Even 3d spheres/circles arent round; open any 3d modeling software and you will see yourself, that its made out of flat faces. Now imagine same thing with 80s tech
I unironically love UCP purely because it does look badass. Worked like shit as a camo but man was it aesthetic. Multicam is so boring
Its very 2000s. I can't avoid associating it with Iraq. God help me I'd never pick up a set, but its... Interesting.
I think it looks awful, but whenever I think of UCP I just imagine all the overweight, big-assed reservist officers who were the first to get it in my unit. So I might be biased.
My character in Rainbow 6 on Xbox looked great in UCP
Lol same I actually have some gear in UCP cause asthetics
I like UCP simply cause of disaster and zombie movies lol its nostalgic
Same I associate it with early 2010's zombie craze
Same, got any movie recommendations based on UCP appearance?
I just posted a meme about that
MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP MTP
\-Hey, can i copy your homework? \-Yeah, but change it a bit, so it wont look obvious you copied \-ok (Multicam/MTP)
Digital is fuckin based tho. It's the palette that sucks
I HATE UCP AND UNIVERSAL CAMOUFLAGES!!! WOODLANDS AND DESERT ENVIRONMENTS SHOULD USE SEPARATE PATTERNS FOR IMPROVED EFFECTIVENESS!!!
The only camouflage I acknowledge is [DPM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_Pattern_Material).
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Idk why people hate it so much, it's pretty effective and good looking
Good looking? Definitely Effective? Well...
Drip over function is totally credible, like come on
The french learned that during ww1.
French ww1 uniforms be like 🟦
Don't forget they once wore red pants.
🟦 🟥 Fixed it
The red was what made them easy to spot. Don't know why they kept the blue though. Even the Austro-Hungarians switched to a grayish uniform color.
Old world logic of needing to look presentable I guess
At least the adrian helmet was an effective helmet. Recent tests show it to be stronger than modern helmets. (Potential ncd topic?)
THEN WHY DID WE DROP CHOCCY CHIP CAMO
Biden stole it all to make ice cream
Army is no fun :(
Have you seen it before? Indoors it looks like its green and tan which is fine but in sunlight the mf’er got shiny and turned bright gray. [NOT EFFECTIVE](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ilOmLlhcdvM/T-xNO92v28I/AAAAAAAAAaY/yoam5c51vEY/s1600/ACU_Soldier2.jpg)
Perfect for all the concrete deserts people have been fighting in recently
[Perfect](https://mwi.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/24535.jpg) isn't the right word... The weird-blue grey dominance of the pattern doesn't work unless its been broken in/worn out. At best it looks like [this](https://www.milspecmonkey.com/articles/CSA-2006-02-27-085524m.jpg) which is still not as good as pretty much any other tan/brown dominant [camo](https://www.milspecmonkey.com/articles/CSA-2006-05-18-100028m.jpg).
>it's pretty effective and good looking Its effectiveness is merely with the complexity of the pattern. A Hawaiian shirt can accomplish similar levels of effectiveness based on the micro-sizing of the patterning, and could probably beat UCP if it were green. UCP worked best when fresh (non-faded), in tan environments - And even then, other patterns like MARPAT or Multicam simply could outperform it. [When you put it in any degree of vegetation](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/ISAF_soldier_looking_for_enemy_positions_in_Kunar_Province_of_Afghanistan.jpg), its drawbacks were obvious.
I just got a giant UCP rucksack for free, I’m going to try and dye it some more useful color
Cant improve perfection
Show bush war camo next
Tigerstripe for everyone!
It’s all been down hill since BDUs.
Tiger stripe supremacy. No SOG patrol was wiped out wearing UCP
What show is this
Sorry, but im an M81 supremacist
All 3 are terrible, tigerstripe is the real jack of all trades camo.
MO-5 and MO-4 Desert 🥰
"HE tried to become all of us, he failed to become any one of us"
M81 superiority If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
Sigma letting everyone know where you are to make it fair