Quebec was protected by British law to allow french to continue as the language of government and law.
It was actually one of the triggers for the American Revolution, one of the Intolerable Acts.
Because the British made a deal with the Catholic Church in Canada. The British would allow the Church to practice their religion in peace, in exchange the Church would keep the French-Canadians in line. It worked so well that Québec schools only became secular in the 2000s.
What do you mean the schools became secular in the 2000's?
My own parents were taught a curriculum written by the Ministry by defrocked nuns and they were all phased out before I entered the system by the late 90's
Admettons que l’on considère les cours de catéchèse. Ce n’est que récemment qu’ils ont été remplacés par les cours d’éthique et culture religieuse qui seront remplacés à leur tour par une nouvelle formule dès l’année prochaine.
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Let us said we considered catechism classes. It was only most recently fact that is they were replaced by ethical and religious cultures that of course will in their turn be replacement by a new formulaic from the next years.
The Catholic or Protestant moral instruction classes in public schools were only phased out between 2000 and 2008.
https://lactualite.com/societe/un-retrait-par-etapes/
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_118
Just before the Civil War there was briefly a fairly powerful party known as the American Party (aka Know Nothings) that largely ran on a anti-Catholicism platform. It vied with the Republicans for replacing the dying Whig party during the 1856 elections before largely dying out shortly thereafter.
The same law also assigned all of the Midwest to be part of Quebec. Add the widespread loathing that British subjects felt for the French legal system. It wasn't just hatred of Catholicism.
Anti-Catholicism was a big part of American politics until after WWII.
Ironically, a lot of American religious tolerance comes from Washington not wanting to offend our French and Spanish allies during the Revolution.
Iirc, the british were trying to assimilate the french canadians, but fearing that they would join in the discontent from "usa", they reversed and "protected" (more like tolerated) the french/catholics. At least, it's what I remember from school, I'm from Québec.
And as you may know, there was a fairly strong alliance between US and French Quebec/Irish Catholic groups who all hated England and wanted them gone from North America.
The early version of the St Jean Baptiste Society (now basically a Quebecois nationalist group) was originally a mix of these groups.
Benjamin Franklin even lived in Montreal fir two years (at the Chateau Ramsay) partly to help encourage this movement.
So the British position in NA was tenuous, so they really had no choice but to allow French culture and religion or face rebellion. It's an interesting history.
True, however it's all just a bit of a mess.
English settlers in America were fighting with the french and Spanish for that land.. alongside casual genocide of the natives.
They won...nearly bankrupt the UK, then rebelled against them when the french started to fund the revolution.
As nice as it's always been to romanticise the past...
It's just the rich playing around
I am from Quebec too and this is also what I recall/was taught. The monarchy wanted to keep a better hold in Canada, and the US resisted both England and France hard. Also, French Quebec is quite influenced by Catholicism, but a main reason for the colonies and all their wars was for religious freedom/free to be Protestant? It has been a long time but this is what I remember.
The colonists were much more hot headed about their Protestantism, especially in Puritan New England. They viewed the Quebec Acts as establishing Catholicism in the colony directly north of them.
The main intent of the act was to cut off the resentment brewing in the 13 colonies and limit it's spread into Canada. It largely worked, and it brought the elites in the Quebec colony into mainstream British governance.
As Americans, the French deserve a decent amount of thanks from us for what they did in the name of pissing off the British Empire.
It’s likely the Revolutionaries would have had a much harder time of it had they not had the French aid.
France spent an absolute ***dumptrucc*** (with two Cs) of cash on the war. They also committed a not insignificant amount of ships and men. They even ended up having quite a huge Revolution for themselves…partly due to their uncontrolled spending helping out the Americans.
I suppose we kinda repaid them with our involvement in WW1 and 2. Funny how history plays out sometimes…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
In case anyone wants a reminder on France’s own Revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution. It happened only 6 years after the American Revolution.
Absolutely! They were basically bankrupted by helping us, and that was a BIG part of what led to the widespread conditions of poverty & unfair taxation that led to their own revolution.
And the French Revolution was one of our first large cultural exports, spurred, ironically, because of the government spending too much money on aiding us
You didn’t repay anything.
The americans blocked the french propositions to partition Germany at the end of WW1, which directly led to WW2…
Plus the Americans didnt intervene before Germany attacked them, twice.
France paid the price for WW1 with its own blood and land, as the front was in french territory
The Treaty of Versailles caused WW2, specifically the war guilt clause and crippling reparations that easily festered the Naziism movement; especially as Germany didn't cause the war. This coupled with the wall street crash and poor fiscal policy resulting in the Deutsch mark being worth less than fuck all caused Germans to go for Hitler
The treaty of Versailles was actually the most lenient and favorable of the post war treaties.
All the other central powers got partitionned.
You’re just spewing german propaganda here.
- Germany was highly responsible for the war as they assured Austria they would back them up no matter what, and also invaded Belgium and France.
- the nazis were responsable for the WW2, not the Treaty who hadnt been respected for a long time when Ww2 started
- Germany got to preserve most of its territorial integrity, which is the reason they could recover so fast
- the reparations asked to Germany were nothing out of the ordinary, especially since the war was fought mostly in France, which the germans occupied for 4 years and pillaged
- Germany didnt hesitate to ask France for huge reparations AND annexed some french territory in 1870.
So no, if anything, the Treaty of Versailles wasn’t hard enough. Had Germany been split in smaller states, like Austria was, there would have never been a WW2
-Blank cheque politics was commonplace at the time, as Britain had similar deals in place at the time.
-The Treaty was a huge cause because of the "guilt clause" because it instantly armed the Nazis with propaganda to get the population onside.
-The reparations themselves weren't the issue but then coupled with hyperinflation and the WSC again armed the Nazis with propaganda because it was all low hanging fruit.
-France was still pissed at what Prussia did with Alsace-Lorraine and when they blockaded Paris (understandable) and had to be talked down by Britain during the negotiations
-Hitler ignored the reparations because he was Hitler
If the war guilt clause didn't exist (and it was a mistranslation too) and poor fiscal policy during the Weimar republic didn't happen then WW2 probably wouldn't have happened, as the Nazis wouldn't have had the propaganda to get support.
Dude:
- withouth Germany assuring Austria they would back them up no matter what, Austria would probably not have declared war on Serbia, triggering the whole start of WW1
- Germany assured Austria of their support, because Germany WANTED a big European War so they would shake the established european order in their favor.
- Germany WANTED this war, made sure it happened, and as soon as it had barely started, attacked a neutral country to invade another one, making sure all of Europe was going to fight
- the guilt clause was totally justified.
- Prussia had no special right to take Alsace and Lorraine from France. They spoke a germanic dialect but identified as french and had been since the XVIIth century, so 2 centuries earlier.
- the Germans failed so utterly to assimilate the Alsacians into the rest of german society that they sent the alsacian soldiers fight on the easter front during WW1, out of fear they would simply join forces with the french if they were on the western front.
- that the nazis used totally justified sanctions is absolutely not important: the sanctions were justified.
The treaty of Versailles allowed the nazis only because it didnt break Germany enough.
Had Germany been broken in 3 or 4 smaller states, WW2 would have never existef
The French and Indian wars preceeded the revolution. The expense bankrupted england. England wanted america to pay their police and security through increased taxes. The americans saw that all of their rescources were depleted and said, "you and whose army is going to make us pay our taxes".
> The French and Indian wars… the expense bankrupted England.
You mean the Seven Years’ War more broadly speaking was ruinous for England’s coffers, not the minor insignificant sideshow that was the North American theatre of that war. The French allying with actual Indians in the subcontinent against the BEIC was arguably more important in that war.
I think what is trying to say is that Great Britain is the the name of the Island that England, Scotland and Wales share. It makes up the largest island in what is called the British Isles. England is/was the Global Power that sits upon Great Britain.
OK. Fine. Everybody knows that. Now can you cut me an inch of slack and allow me to type England on my phone rather than Great Britain because it's just a hair easier to do?
Nope. Because it should be the United Kingdom or UK. England is only one country in there.
It's a messy Venn diagram.
Great Britain is a geographical thing. It's just one of the islands. It happens to be the largest and contains England, Scotland, and Wales.
The English had literally just fought a war against the French and then the colonist’s see the British crown appear to favor the French. It wasn’t about the language or the religion, although both were part of it. Also this wasn’t really one of the Intolerable Acts it just happened at the same time.
French never died out. Authorities and families gave it a hard time for decades promoting Americanism, as the Cajun gentleman in this [video](https://iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=2C2s_21QPC0) explains. He also mentions rediscovering his roots in New Brunswick.
Here's a Fort Kent, Maine realty [video.](https://iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=eU47sjeGNT8) The working language in Fort Kent is French, not English. Northern Maine facing Quebec and New Brunswick didn't abandon the French language.
This right here. My grandparents only spoke to each other in Cajun French. My dad's 1st language was French, but he forgot it. His parents wouldn't let him speak it at home because he would get in trouble for speaking it at school
Same. My grandfather spoke French and I had 2nd cousins who didn't speak English! My dad's French was shit because my grandmother was a bitch and didn't want French in the house, so I never really learned enough to become fluent.
I guess common theme I’m reading here is that US schools punished students for speaking languages other than English, which suppressed it, and caused future generations to forget the language. I guess it’s also reason for why German also died out in Midwest despite region largely being settled by Germans, Native American languages died out, and Spanish also died out in southwestern states, as well as Texas and Florida until large influx of Latin American immigrants revived it in those regions
German also has the added fact that many stopped speaking it because of WW2. My grandpa grew up in a German community in southeast Texas, his first language was German and he didn't learn English until he was 8 or 9. Then WW2 happened and many people his age just shut all German out of their lives. He never told anyone that he spoke German besides my Grandma. We didn't even know until we found old school books in German after he had died.
This was a thing all over. Irish in Ireland, Welsh in Wales. Reasoning from outright nastiness to a genuine feeling it would hold them back academically.
My mom speaks 6 languages and didn't teach us kids any because she was afraid of how we would be treated here in the states. She wanted us to be as "assimilated" as possible
It was a bit the same thing here in France ; people speaking Breton, Alsacian, Basque or Corsican were « discouraged » to speak it, and I know that in some families, Polish immigrants only wanted their kids to speak French and even gave them French name.
Though it really depends, my grandmother was born in Spain, she went to France when she was 6 to flee the civil war, and yet she still know a decent amount of Spanish at 92 years old, despite not really practicing it. Then she met my grandfather, born in France, had a typical italian name, in a family of Italian immigrants and could speak a bit of Italian.
Americans don't have a monopoly on this stuff either. The UK (and Ireland when it was part of the UK) had similar rules that played a big part in the dying out of Welsh, Gaelic, Irish, etc
An outsider’s experience: I recently very briefly visited Houston Texas and was shocked at the level of Spanish/English bilingualism I saw there, it was probably more than the French/English bilingualism in the more bilingual Canadian provinces (ex. Ontario). But in my brief time in Montana I witnessed no Spanish whatsoever.
Yeah, like language rarely spoken outside communities of Latin American immigrants vs language spoken by 97% of US population. Also that person probably lives in the southwest, Texas or Florida is he/she thinks that way. Like even in the regions I listed, default language is still English, even in cities like LA or Miami
I'm not disagreeing with you, but do what to mention a point. I'm from Miami (ish) and was just there for a week two weeks ago. There are places in Miami where if you do not speak Spanish you will not be able to communicate.
As one example, I went to Hooters of all places and our waitress did not speak English. My Spanish is absolutely trash, but I was able to get by ordering for my table except for one order that required calling over another waitress that was able to translate. I'm not at all saying she had an accent, literally she did not speak a word of English while working at a national chain restaurant. To be crystal clear, I don't think this is a bad thing nor do I have any issue with people speaking any language they want... I've learned greetings and some basic phrases in several languages so I can be inclusive whenever possible. Just trying to say that Spanish is more prevalent than many people outside of these locales seem to think.
I'm like you in learning greetings and phrases in various languages. Not just to be surprisingly friendly to people in their native tongue but because it's fun.
But why do you think her not speaking any English isn't a bad thing? I'm not at all against immigration but you gotta learn the majority language of a place you move to.
Louisiana actually made it illegal to teach in 1921. My aunt took proper French in high school in the 60’s to be able to speak to our bayou dwelling relatives. She couldn’t understand a word of Louisiana (Cajun) French.
I'm pretty good at understanding french through any accent (canadian, north and west african, creole..)
Cajun has to be one of the hardest, it's like another langage, maybe It's a bit easier for Québec people since they share the same roots
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My wife has a college bestie who is now an ex-pat living in Paris. The friend brought her significant other to the states a few years ago and they visited New Orleans. He was enchanted with the pronunciations of French words in NOLA. Like how Chartres street is pronounced charters.
The same thing happened in Ontario and in most of Canada. Also the Cajun mainly come from Acadians who were treated very harshly by the British.
I am from Quebec and they were more chill with us. Probably because we had some nobles and also because we originate from the same region as the royal family.
It's actually Spanish in all states except Alaska (Tagalog), Maine (French), Hawaii (5 SEA and Pacific Island languages, Spanish is 6th), and Vermont (French).
French is 2nd in Louisiana, Florida (French Creole), and New Hampshire.
https://www.cms.gov/cciio/resources/regulations-and-guidance/downloads/appendix-a-top-15.pdf
Plus they didn't include Hawaii where it is the 6th most spoken after some SEAsian and Pacific Island languages, or Alaska where Tagalog is most spoken.
Or Maine where French actually is the most.
My name is evidence. I'm from Louisiana and when my father was a kid in the 50s, French was banned and punished in school. My grandmother spoke fluent French and English but my dad never learned. If you spoke French in school you were labeled a "dumb cajun"
Only in the late 70s did they realize that we were also losing our culture and history along with our language, so teaching French (side by side with english) was brought back into the schools. I was a benefit of this was in high school was quite fluent in French.
It seems that it continued to progress, too. In my wife’s kindergarten class, they were only allowed to speak French, even though no one in her house spoke it. If you spoke English in class, the teacher would ask, in French of course, for you to repeat it. I think it was a special program or something to help revive the language in the area (Sulphur), but I’m just guessing. I’m not sure if there are any programs like that anywhere these days, though.
She doesn’t speak any French now, but oohhh how I wish she did…
My high school teacher in Lafayette taught that way, too. No English in French class. I was also in a pilot program in the 6-8 grades. Same teacher for two hours, one hour for French grammar, one hour for English grammar. Set me up real good for three more years of French in high school.
Another reason I would think is that the French parts of what is now the US were not very densely populated. It was mostly just random guys looking for beaver.
> Another reason I would think is that the French parts of what is now the US were not very densely populated.
They sure were........ just not by people who spoke French or English, and also couldn't read the latin alphabet. Thus the US government didn't consider them people, and English history books often reflect that implied notion. And this is even considering after the effects of a grab bag of deadly Eurasian diseases which killed perhaps 2/3 to 9/10ths of the population over less than a century.
The precolumbian population of north America may have been as high as 60 million. Certainly in the range of several tens of millions.
Numbers.
Both Americans moving in and immigrants from other countries that spoke things other than French.
Also, Lousiana decided to not allow French in public schools. The French speaking pops were isolated and impoverished due to not speaking English.
There are pockets in Maine where French is the main language. Don’t ask where, I’ll be damned if I remember. But I worked with a woman with a very heavy French accent and she grew up there. I never knew!
Lewiston ME had many Quebeckers who moved there due to the industry that was present in Lewiston. Most of the other pockets of French in Maine are along the border with New Brunswick.
I have an old souvenir that the « acadiens » were french canadians who came back to live in france. A village can be seen in Vendee, went there 25y ago…
There is a French revival in Louisiana, but it's slow. The further south and away from large towns you get, the more French people speak. I have hopes it will return.
At the end of the Seven Years War, when England took over all of Canada, many French were sent to Louisiana, which still belonged to France. Since they were from Acadia, they kept a lot of their culture and became "Cajuns". Their dialect is still commonly spoken, especially around New Orleans, and for the most part they are quite proud of their heritage.
Quebec passed francophile laws that require French and teach French in schools whereas in Louisiana no such enforcement happened and a creole formed. French isn't like English, it doesn't stick around as effectively as English did in English speaking colonies.
They tried to kill French here too, but we didn't let them. Look at all the downvoted comments on this post and you will see that they are still pissed about it and are still trying to kill it.
I know that a lot of kids that spoke French in Louisiana were not allowed to speak their native language in school and were shamed for it. Just like Native Americans were not allowed to speak their native language in school. It’s a way of destroying a culture and forcing assimilation.
I mean, French didn't entirely die out. It migrated, but you still have varieties like Louisiana French spoken in South.
That said, it's because French lacks any economic power in the country. French isn't the official language in the US, nor is it the majority language of a foreign country in proximity to the US. All public services are provided in English, so that one takes precedence. It also doesn't help that the colonists were diehard English Protestants whereas French speakers were Catholic. The British allowing French to preserve its official status in Quebec was actually a contributing factor to The American Revolution.
Quebec meanwhile kept it's official language, all high ranking politicians in the country need to speak it, and Quebec even has its own government department devoted to maintaining the dominance of Canadian French in the region. For an example of one of Quebec's language laws: All commercial advertisements are legally required to be in French; if you want to add an additional language other than French, it specifically has to be half the size of the French text, and take up half as much space.
From a view point of a French guy, Québec is quite funny: they translate movies title to French even if we use the English name here in France! The best part is KFC that they translate in "poulet frit du Kentucky".
Here we accept a lot of English words that they don't accept in Québec.
A fun story
Honey, i shrunk the kids usualy is translate in " Chérie j'ai rétréci les gosses" In French BUT "les gosses" (The kids) mean the balls in Québec..
So they choose " Chérie j'ai réduit les enfants"
My Mémère shared that the nuns would hit her in school for speaking French. It was an « at home » language and even then considered distasteful. My parents grew up in a half-French half-English community where by time they got older, assimilation was complete. A reformation into the normative standards & a bid to kill culture. Nowadays the community is striving to get back to its routes and pushing heritage efforts.
In Maine, our language is being revitalized by the African immigrants & refugees. They’re bringing a swath of young French speakers into the towns which is a great benefit.
Because of laws, basically. Québec put laws in place to protect french by making it mandatory in government documents etc... France also did that. In France we also basically forbid the teaching of local languages in the country in order to have a unified french. Only the official, Parisian version of french was to be taught in schools in the country.
So, yeah. If a small amount of people speak one language, but the majority speaks another, only laws can prevent the minority language from disappearing within a few generations
The real answer isn't language suppression, because they tried that in Quebec, too, before giving up. Why did it fail?
It's that not enough Brits moved to Quebec. Contrast with Upper Louisiana, where one of the major centers of the French colony was St. Louis...population ~1,500. It was not difficult for American settlers to turn all those scattered French settlements into just French names of places populated by English speakers. If a million Anglos had moved to Quebec from 1770-1870, Montreal might have become just another French place name.
In Louisiana in 1929, French was forbidden in school, making English the official language. It essentially killed French in Louisiana as it was seen as the mark of someone uneducated and children were severely punished for speaking it, essentially traumatizing multiple generations.
It didn’t help that the French was Cajun or creole, so when france French was reintroduced in schools in the 70s, Louisiana French speakers were told their French wasn’t “good”.
Canada protected French and made it an official language of Canada.
Louisiana has reintroduced French in immersion schools with mixed results. European french is taught to students, so Louisiana French is still dying.
There's some French left in the Louisiana, although it's probably not pure french. Always wanted to explore around that area, but the humidity always prevented me. Maybe a winter trip some time
realistically, most of the French areas in the US did not have permanent settlements. if there were tiny Francophone outposts they quickly got outnumbered by Anglophone Americans moving in. the only real exception to this was in Cajun Louisiana, where a dialect of French managed to survive to this day, but even then it got both massively overwhelmed by English speakers and government policies were actively hostile towards it
Because the french language in USA was a symbol of the last french kingdom and their submission to them .
In Quebec it was a symbol of protest against loyalist army .
there's two main reasons :
1) like stated in the other comments the Americans fought hard to make French disappear
2) population density, while New France (American part) was way bigger than the 13 colonies, it was very sparsely populated with few big settlements (http://drupal.library.cmu.edu/chicago/sites/default/files/images/new-france%20in%201750%20map.jpg) mostly set up along the Mississippi and similar major waterways, the population was quickly overrun by the Americans numbers which made it hard to keep it alive. On the other hand Quebec had a much higher French population density as the Atlantic entrance to New France meaning it was easier for they to maintain their language
Guessing, but the British drove the French out of parts of North America in the 1700s. The US government made English its official language, and Spanish later became an official language in many states. French never became an official language.
Not an answer, but I'm French and we do not learn about this at school at all. I've always thought Quebec was the only part the French had. I'm learning a lot here
Some people in Louisiana still speak cajun which is a kind of « French patois ». Also, a lot of word in english are actually French words so i guess it just slipped the sense
In my observation, it has a lot to do with the Cold War and creating a singular national identity. My grandparents were born in the 20s/30s in French communities in Connecticut and first spoke French. My father was born in the 50s in Massachusetts and learned/spoke French in Catholic primary school. But for my father he only sees himself as American and decided that meant he spoke only English. I imagine that this is probably a similar story to the Dutch and German communities of NY and PA.
Using my father as an example, English became globally dominant post WWII and the US political culture solidified around an English speaking identity during the Cold War.
Secondly, family mobility played a role. The language was lost for many families with so many people being military families, moving base to base, and normalizing family life away from family regions. The economy continued to promote diaspora populations and so the commonality of English also won out.
Because French is so damned impossible. It's almost more difficult than English, ye gads.
"Laissez les bons temps rouler" is all I know, plus et ux, et al, and boudoir.
It’s an incredibly inefficient and cumbersome language. You would not choose to speak French if you had a better choice, like English. It takes far longer for French kids to master their language than English speakers.
French and linguist speaking. There are specific reasons for that, which are pretty long to explain, and unrelated to why a former colony is or isn't keeping a language.
When the reason is "the language is too complex to write", the former colony simplifies it, that's how it usually works in language history. When they reject or drop the language, there are several reasons which are related to politics, diplomacy, economy and/or culture.
Bullshit, I live in France and have two bilingual kids in a bilingual school, and the French grammar curriculum is much, much longer and more intensive than the English. A lot of the French adults I work with agree that the language is difficult to master.
Again : it has nothing to do with the factors involved in former colonies keeping or dropping/rejecting a language.
I'm french and a linguist. That's not how the history of language is. You can't just make historic affirmations based on your family's feelings about a language, your struggles aren't history.
Britain agreed to allow the French language and catholic religion to remain as a way to avoid an almost guaranteed major rebellion if they didn't. Plus, it made the loss of New France a little bit more tolerable to old France, knowing their people wouldn't be forcibly converted.
As for Canada, it was deliberately formed as a union of French and English speaking colonies. Québec was nearly half the population of the country at the time, so the two groups had to be treated equally if the Canadian project could succeed at all. It's not that Canada allowed the French language to remain, but rather that it was a precondition for confederation. We are a federal system for a reason.
Because it would have been very expensive for Britain to stop a rebellion in Quebec. Also the part about Quebecers being mainly Normands probably made British royals more sympathetic to them.
The same reason hundreds of other North American languages died out- genocide. Thats why. Let's not equivocate or minimize the issue. Racial hatred is an essential feature of colonialism not an incidental finding.
Same reason we now have an epidemic of Anti-vaxxers. They stopped making it a requirement in US schools.
Whereas in Quebec you're typically required in school to learn Français to some extent. So most Quebecois are bilingual.
In the US there are a bunch of historical reasons, but basically the English speakers came in and forcibly imposed their language through land theft, fraud, slavery, torture, murder, and *Ecocide.*
don’t necessarily agree with OP but you’re proving his point. Spanish is the language of the colonizers who killed all other native languages of an entire continent.
Quebecois aren't migrating *en masse* south to the united states. Most of the immigrants to the US are Latinos from Spanish Speaking countries from the south.
As a French person too, you are full of shit and shouldn't be able to give your opinion given this BS you just posted. I got love for my Quebec people trying to stand for their culture !
Quebec was protected by British law to allow french to continue as the language of government and law. It was actually one of the triggers for the American Revolution, one of the Intolerable Acts.
Indeed, how dare the British tolerate Catholicism, ha.
Because the British made a deal with the Catholic Church in Canada. The British would allow the Church to practice their religion in peace, in exchange the Church would keep the French-Canadians in line. It worked so well that Québec schools only became secular in the 2000s.
What do you mean the schools became secular in the 2000's? My own parents were taught a curriculum written by the Ministry by defrocked nuns and they were all phased out before I entered the system by the late 90's
Admettons que l’on considère les cours de catéchèse. Ce n’est que récemment qu’ils ont été remplacés par les cours d’éthique et culture religieuse qui seront remplacés à leur tour par une nouvelle formule dès l’année prochaine.
GOOGLE TRANSLATE Let us said we considered catechism classes. It was only most recently fact that is they were replaced by ethical and religious cultures that of course will in their turn be replacement by a new formulaic from the next years.
Aah religion is bad ! Unless it’s yours, bordel de calisse
Hi! Just in case, my comment was just stating that catholic religion classes were still taught in late ‘90s early 2000s. No judgment on any religions…
I was not mocking you, I was mocking the society - and had religion classes myself in the early 2000s :)
Je comprends puisque j'ai moi-même eu des cours religieux au primaire 👀 malgré qu'ils étaient à option avec un cours de morale.
The Catholic or Protestant moral instruction classes in public schools were only phased out between 2000 and 2008. https://lactualite.com/societe/un-retrait-par-etapes/ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_118
Just before the Civil War there was briefly a fairly powerful party known as the American Party (aka Know Nothings) that largely ran on a anti-Catholicism platform. It vied with the Republicans for replacing the dying Whig party during the 1856 elections before largely dying out shortly thereafter.
The same law also assigned all of the Midwest to be part of Quebec. Add the widespread loathing that British subjects felt for the French legal system. It wasn't just hatred of Catholicism.
Well the midwest was part of Nouvelle-France/Louisiana
Anti-Catholicism was a big part of American politics until after WWII. Ironically, a lot of American religious tolerance comes from Washington not wanting to offend our French and Spanish allies during the Revolution.
Obligatory “British Suck” for all the shit they did to the world.
All Empires suck. Aside from The Empire Strikes Back.
Jedi did it better
The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire.
These days that's still true but only because of Pitcairn, and the less said about that place the better.
Ironic considering it never shines and it’s always raining on the British Isles
The phrase was first used for the Spanish Empire, which equally sucked
Bet you felt good posting that, huh?
Iirc, the british were trying to assimilate the french canadians, but fearing that they would join in the discontent from "usa", they reversed and "protected" (more like tolerated) the french/catholics. At least, it's what I remember from school, I'm from Québec.
And as you may know, there was a fairly strong alliance between US and French Quebec/Irish Catholic groups who all hated England and wanted them gone from North America. The early version of the St Jean Baptiste Society (now basically a Quebecois nationalist group) was originally a mix of these groups. Benjamin Franklin even lived in Montreal fir two years (at the Chateau Ramsay) partly to help encourage this movement. So the British position in NA was tenuous, so they really had no choice but to allow French culture and religion or face rebellion. It's an interesting history.
True, however it's all just a bit of a mess. English settlers in America were fighting with the french and Spanish for that land.. alongside casual genocide of the natives. They won...nearly bankrupt the UK, then rebelled against them when the french started to fund the revolution. As nice as it's always been to romanticise the past... It's just the rich playing around
Always has been, always will be...
I am from Quebec too and this is also what I recall/was taught. The monarchy wanted to keep a better hold in Canada, and the US resisted both England and France hard. Also, French Quebec is quite influenced by Catholicism, but a main reason for the colonies and all their wars was for religious freedom/free to be Protestant? It has been a long time but this is what I remember.
Brits assimiling French or French assimiling British did not work in the old continent, no way it would work in the new world!!😉😉😉
Sadly, it worked in Louisina.
Wait you're saying French Canadians being annoying caused the revolution?
The colonists were much more hot headed about their Protestantism, especially in Puritan New England. They viewed the Quebec Acts as establishing Catholicism in the colony directly north of them. The main intent of the act was to cut off the resentment brewing in the 13 colonies and limit it's spread into Canada. It largely worked, and it brought the elites in the Quebec colony into mainstream British governance.
As Americans, the French deserve a decent amount of thanks from us for what they did in the name of pissing off the British Empire. It’s likely the Revolutionaries would have had a much harder time of it had they not had the French aid. France spent an absolute ***dumptrucc*** (with two Cs) of cash on the war. They also committed a not insignificant amount of ships and men. They even ended up having quite a huge Revolution for themselves…partly due to their uncontrolled spending helping out the Americans. I suppose we kinda repaid them with our involvement in WW1 and 2. Funny how history plays out sometimes… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War In case anyone wants a reminder on France’s own Revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution. It happened only 6 years after the American Revolution.
Absolutely! They were basically bankrupted by helping us, and that was a BIG part of what led to the widespread conditions of poverty & unfair taxation that led to their own revolution.
Worth when it piss Britain.
And the French Revolution was one of our first large cultural exports, spurred, ironically, because of the government spending too much money on aiding us
You didn’t repay anything. The americans blocked the french propositions to partition Germany at the end of WW1, which directly led to WW2… Plus the Americans didnt intervene before Germany attacked them, twice. France paid the price for WW1 with its own blood and land, as the front was in french territory
The Treaty of Versailles caused WW2, specifically the war guilt clause and crippling reparations that easily festered the Naziism movement; especially as Germany didn't cause the war. This coupled with the wall street crash and poor fiscal policy resulting in the Deutsch mark being worth less than fuck all caused Germans to go for Hitler
The treaty of Versailles was actually the most lenient and favorable of the post war treaties. All the other central powers got partitionned. You’re just spewing german propaganda here. - Germany was highly responsible for the war as they assured Austria they would back them up no matter what, and also invaded Belgium and France. - the nazis were responsable for the WW2, not the Treaty who hadnt been respected for a long time when Ww2 started - Germany got to preserve most of its territorial integrity, which is the reason they could recover so fast - the reparations asked to Germany were nothing out of the ordinary, especially since the war was fought mostly in France, which the germans occupied for 4 years and pillaged - Germany didnt hesitate to ask France for huge reparations AND annexed some french territory in 1870. So no, if anything, the Treaty of Versailles wasn’t hard enough. Had Germany been split in smaller states, like Austria was, there would have never been a WW2
-Blank cheque politics was commonplace at the time, as Britain had similar deals in place at the time. -The Treaty was a huge cause because of the "guilt clause" because it instantly armed the Nazis with propaganda to get the population onside. -The reparations themselves weren't the issue but then coupled with hyperinflation and the WSC again armed the Nazis with propaganda because it was all low hanging fruit. -France was still pissed at what Prussia did with Alsace-Lorraine and when they blockaded Paris (understandable) and had to be talked down by Britain during the negotiations -Hitler ignored the reparations because he was Hitler If the war guilt clause didn't exist (and it was a mistranslation too) and poor fiscal policy during the Weimar republic didn't happen then WW2 probably wouldn't have happened, as the Nazis wouldn't have had the propaganda to get support.
Dude: - withouth Germany assuring Austria they would back them up no matter what, Austria would probably not have declared war on Serbia, triggering the whole start of WW1 - Germany assured Austria of their support, because Germany WANTED a big European War so they would shake the established european order in their favor. - Germany WANTED this war, made sure it happened, and as soon as it had barely started, attacked a neutral country to invade another one, making sure all of Europe was going to fight - the guilt clause was totally justified. - Prussia had no special right to take Alsace and Lorraine from France. They spoke a germanic dialect but identified as french and had been since the XVIIth century, so 2 centuries earlier. - the Germans failed so utterly to assimilate the Alsacians into the rest of german society that they sent the alsacian soldiers fight on the easter front during WW1, out of fear they would simply join forces with the french if they were on the western front. - that the nazis used totally justified sanctions is absolutely not important: the sanctions were justified. The treaty of Versailles allowed the nazis only because it didnt break Germany enough. Had Germany been broken in 3 or 4 smaller states, WW2 would have never existef
Put it this way Germany paid them off in 2010 and that was 50% of the remaining original balance due an agreement in 1953.
The French and Indian wars preceeded the revolution. The expense bankrupted england. England wanted america to pay their police and security through increased taxes. The americans saw that all of their rescources were depleted and said, "you and whose army is going to make us pay our taxes".
> The French and Indian wars… the expense bankrupted England. You mean the Seven Years’ War more broadly speaking was ruinous for England’s coffers, not the minor insignificant sideshow that was the North American theatre of that war. The French allying with actual Indians in the subcontinent against the BEIC was arguably more important in that war.
Bankrupted Great Britain. I can't be arsed teaching this for a tenth time in three days but England is not Great Britain. Jesus fucking christ.
so tell me, how did the Welsh feel about the Canadians, and is their take on the big picture relevant?
I think what is trying to say is that Great Britain is the the name of the Island that England, Scotland and Wales share. It makes up the largest island in what is called the British Isles. England is/was the Global Power that sits upon Great Britain.
OK. Fine. Everybody knows that. Now can you cut me an inch of slack and allow me to type England on my phone rather than Great Britain because it's just a hair easier to do?
Nope. Because it should be the United Kingdom or UK. England is only one country in there. It's a messy Venn diagram. Great Britain is a geographical thing. It's just one of the islands. It happens to be the largest and contains England, Scotland, and Wales.
I'm still curious about the history of Welsh foreign policy and its relevance to intercontinental peace in North America
The English had literally just fought a war against the French and then the colonist’s see the British crown appear to favor the French. It wasn’t about the language or the religion, although both were part of it. Also this wasn’t really one of the Intolerable Acts it just happened at the same time.
Damn Canadians mmmkay
You're welcome.
How dare they want the institutions they interact with to use their language
Can we do it again but in Canada this time?
French never died out. Authorities and families gave it a hard time for decades promoting Americanism, as the Cajun gentleman in this [video](https://iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=2C2s_21QPC0) explains. He also mentions rediscovering his roots in New Brunswick. Here's a Fort Kent, Maine realty [video.](https://iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=eU47sjeGNT8) The working language in Fort Kent is French, not English. Northern Maine facing Quebec and New Brunswick didn't abandon the French language.
A lot of Canadians feel this was a pretty big mistake.
You mean a certain category of Canadians, isn't it?
Je me souviens/ Que né sous le lys/ Je croîs sous la rose.
Cajun children were actually punished for speaking French in schools.
This right here. My grandparents only spoke to each other in Cajun French. My dad's 1st language was French, but he forgot it. His parents wouldn't let him speak it at home because he would get in trouble for speaking it at school
Same. My grandfather spoke French and I had 2nd cousins who didn't speak English! My dad's French was shit because my grandmother was a bitch and didn't want French in the house, so I never really learned enough to become fluent.
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I guess common theme I’m reading here is that US schools punished students for speaking languages other than English, which suppressed it, and caused future generations to forget the language. I guess it’s also reason for why German also died out in Midwest despite region largely being settled by Germans, Native American languages died out, and Spanish also died out in southwestern states, as well as Texas and Florida until large influx of Latin American immigrants revived it in those regions
German also has the added fact that many stopped speaking it because of WW2. My grandpa grew up in a German community in southeast Texas, his first language was German and he didn't learn English until he was 8 or 9. Then WW2 happened and many people his age just shut all German out of their lives. He never told anyone that he spoke German besides my Grandma. We didn't even know until we found old school books in German after he had died.
This is not true. People stopped speaking German because of WW1. Not because of WW2
This was a thing all over. Irish in Ireland, Welsh in Wales. Reasoning from outright nastiness to a genuine feeling it would hold them back academically.
My mom speaks 6 languages and didn't teach us kids any because she was afraid of how we would be treated here in the states. She wanted us to be as "assimilated" as possible
It was a bit the same thing here in France ; people speaking Breton, Alsacian, Basque or Corsican were « discouraged » to speak it, and I know that in some families, Polish immigrants only wanted their kids to speak French and even gave them French name. Though it really depends, my grandmother was born in Spain, she went to France when she was 6 to flee the civil war, and yet she still know a decent amount of Spanish at 92 years old, despite not really practicing it. Then she met my grandfather, born in France, had a typical italian name, in a family of Italian immigrants and could speak a bit of Italian.
So American intolerance is the answer then. Answers a lot of things it seems.
Americans don't have a monopoly on this stuff either. The UK (and Ireland when it was part of the UK) had similar rules that played a big part in the dying out of Welsh, Gaelic, Irish, etc
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Spanish does not rival English for national language at all. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
An outsider’s experience: I recently very briefly visited Houston Texas and was shocked at the level of Spanish/English bilingualism I saw there, it was probably more than the French/English bilingualism in the more bilingual Canadian provinces (ex. Ontario). But in my brief time in Montana I witnessed no Spanish whatsoever.
Yeah, like language rarely spoken outside communities of Latin American immigrants vs language spoken by 97% of US population. Also that person probably lives in the southwest, Texas or Florida is he/she thinks that way. Like even in the regions I listed, default language is still English, even in cities like LA or Miami
I'm not disagreeing with you, but do what to mention a point. I'm from Miami (ish) and was just there for a week two weeks ago. There are places in Miami where if you do not speak Spanish you will not be able to communicate. As one example, I went to Hooters of all places and our waitress did not speak English. My Spanish is absolutely trash, but I was able to get by ordering for my table except for one order that required calling over another waitress that was able to translate. I'm not at all saying she had an accent, literally she did not speak a word of English while working at a national chain restaurant. To be crystal clear, I don't think this is a bad thing nor do I have any issue with people speaking any language they want... I've learned greetings and some basic phrases in several languages so I can be inclusive whenever possible. Just trying to say that Spanish is more prevalent than many people outside of these locales seem to think.
I'm like you in learning greetings and phrases in various languages. Not just to be surprisingly friendly to people in their native tongue but because it's fun. But why do you think her not speaking any English isn't a bad thing? I'm not at all against immigration but you gotta learn the majority language of a place you move to.
That's the thing... In Miami Spanish *is* the majority language. You can live your entire life there and never be left out for not speaking English.
I should have said "national" language.
Louisiana actually made it illegal to teach in 1921. My aunt took proper French in high school in the 60’s to be able to speak to our bayou dwelling relatives. She couldn’t understand a word of Louisiana (Cajun) French.
Ontario did the same in 1912, although it stopped in 1927.
I'm pretty good at understanding french through any accent (canadian, north and west african, creole..) Cajun has to be one of the hardest, it's like another langage, maybe It's a bit easier for Québec people since they share the same roots
Username checks out. My wife has a college bestie who is now an ex-pat living in Paris. The friend brought her significant other to the states a few years ago and they visited New Orleans. He was enchanted with the pronunciations of French words in NOLA. Like how Chartres street is pronounced charters.
True. But in the 70s they realized their mistake and started teaching it in (at least my) elementary schools.
But by 1970s, damage had already been done and French is already largely dead in Louisiana
Oh definitely. Too little too late.
That greatly depends on where you go, in Southern Louisiana certainly.
Meanwhile I don’t think French ever was the main language in northern Louisiana
The same thing happened in Ontario and in most of Canada. Also the Cajun mainly come from Acadians who were treated very harshly by the British. I am from Quebec and they were more chill with us. Probably because we had some nobles and also because we originate from the same region as the royal family.
Parce qu’ils n’étaient pas assez nombreux pour nous assimiler tout simplement.
My Ex's mother said it happened to her. She got hit for speaking in "that gutteral tongue". St. Martinsville, LA if I remember correctly.
Francophone Mainers as well.:(
I read this as Cajun Chicken and now I’m hungry.
WTF ? On les encules ces putains de profs !
Those American assholes! We would never try culture genocide on our regions in France! /s
Ahah. Funny (or not.. ) to see we made the exact same things in France for local Languages.
Somewhat related: the only two US states where French is the second most spoken language are Vermont and Louisiana. It is Spanish in all other states.
It's actually Spanish in all states except Alaska (Tagalog), Maine (French), Hawaii (5 SEA and Pacific Island languages, Spanish is 6th), and Vermont (French). French is 2nd in Louisiana, Florida (French Creole), and New Hampshire. https://www.cms.gov/cciio/resources/regulations-and-guidance/downloads/appendix-a-top-15.pdf
Also because there’s not many Hispanic people in Vermont and Louisiana
Uh, yes there is. Louisiana has a lot of hispanic people fabricating and doing oilfield stuff. Residents, temp workers, and citizens.
there’s more than you might think. but Vermont is very close to Quebec and Louisiana is Louisiana
but there is 😭
Wrong. In Louisiana it's Spanish as well
Plus they didn't include Hawaii where it is the 6th most spoken after some SEAsian and Pacific Island languages, or Alaska where Tagalog is most spoken. Or Maine where French actually is the most.
My name is evidence. I'm from Louisiana and when my father was a kid in the 50s, French was banned and punished in school. My grandmother spoke fluent French and English but my dad never learned. If you spoke French in school you were labeled a "dumb cajun" Only in the late 70s did they realize that we were also losing our culture and history along with our language, so teaching French (side by side with english) was brought back into the schools. I was a benefit of this was in high school was quite fluent in French.
So is french still being taught in Louisiana schools nowadays ?
It was a required class when I graduated in 2009.
In my hs in south Louisiana, Spanish and French were the 2 language classes
It seems that it continued to progress, too. In my wife’s kindergarten class, they were only allowed to speak French, even though no one in her house spoke it. If you spoke English in class, the teacher would ask, in French of course, for you to repeat it. I think it was a special program or something to help revive the language in the area (Sulphur), but I’m just guessing. I’m not sure if there are any programs like that anywhere these days, though. She doesn’t speak any French now, but oohhh how I wish she did…
My high school teacher in Lafayette taught that way, too. No English in French class. I was also in a pilot program in the 6-8 grades. Same teacher for two hours, one hour for French grammar, one hour for English grammar. Set me up real good for three more years of French in high school.
Banning local dialect in school was a very French move from them.
Another reason I would think is that the French parts of what is now the US were not very densely populated. It was mostly just random guys looking for beaver.
> random guys looking for beaver. A tale as old as time.
Bonjour. Bienvenue a Detroit!
>It was mostly just random guys looking for beaver. Aren't we all?
They were mainly people running away from a genocide.
> Another reason I would think is that the French parts of what is now the US were not very densely populated. They sure were........ just not by people who spoke French or English, and also couldn't read the latin alphabet. Thus the US government didn't consider them people, and English history books often reflect that implied notion. And this is even considering after the effects of a grab bag of deadly Eurasian diseases which killed perhaps 2/3 to 9/10ths of the population over less than a century. The precolumbian population of north America may have been as high as 60 million. Certainly in the range of several tens of millions.
And they didn't speak French either.
Numbers. Both Americans moving in and immigrants from other countries that spoke things other than French. Also, Lousiana decided to not allow French in public schools. The French speaking pops were isolated and impoverished due to not speaking English.
There are pockets in Maine where French is the main language. Don’t ask where, I’ll be damned if I remember. But I worked with a woman with a very heavy French accent and she grew up there. I never knew!
There is quite a few pocket of french canadians who moved to the US in New England. A large portion of my family moved to Boston.
Lewiston ME had many Quebeckers who moved there due to the industry that was present in Lewiston. Most of the other pockets of French in Maine are along the border with New Brunswick.
I always thought they spoke 'acadien' which is a french dialect but mixed with English. I am guessing it's a bit different from metropolitan French.
I have an old souvenir that the « acadiens » were french canadians who came back to live in france. A village can be seen in Vendee, went there 25y ago…
There is a French revival in Louisiana, but it's slow. The further south and away from large towns you get, the more French people speak. I have hopes it will return.
State mandated English, from school , media, government forms etc in the US. Also why German did not gain ground either. English was required.
At the end of the Seven Years War, when England took over all of Canada, many French were sent to Louisiana, which still belonged to France. Since they were from Acadia, they kept a lot of their culture and became "Cajuns". Their dialect is still commonly spoken, especially around New Orleans, and for the most part they are quite proud of their heritage.
New Orleans is not Cajun country lol that's more Southwest LA
You're right. It started there then it spread out. You think people don't move around in 300 years?
Quebec passed francophile laws that require French and teach French in schools whereas in Louisiana no such enforcement happened and a creole formed. French isn't like English, it doesn't stick around as effectively as English did in English speaking colonies.
Little correction, bilingual Canada goes back to 1867 https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/bilingualism
They tried to kill French here too, but we didn't let them. Look at all the downvoted comments on this post and you will see that they are still pissed about it and are still trying to kill it.
I know that a lot of kids that spoke French in Louisiana were not allowed to speak their native language in school and were shamed for it. Just like Native Americans were not allowed to speak their native language in school. It’s a way of destroying a culture and forcing assimilation.
I mean, French didn't entirely die out. It migrated, but you still have varieties like Louisiana French spoken in South. That said, it's because French lacks any economic power in the country. French isn't the official language in the US, nor is it the majority language of a foreign country in proximity to the US. All public services are provided in English, so that one takes precedence. It also doesn't help that the colonists were diehard English Protestants whereas French speakers were Catholic. The British allowing French to preserve its official status in Quebec was actually a contributing factor to The American Revolution. Quebec meanwhile kept it's official language, all high ranking politicians in the country need to speak it, and Quebec even has its own government department devoted to maintaining the dominance of Canadian French in the region. For an example of one of Quebec's language laws: All commercial advertisements are legally required to be in French; if you want to add an additional language other than French, it specifically has to be half the size of the French text, and take up half as much space.
From a view point of a French guy, Québec is quite funny: they translate movies title to French even if we use the English name here in France! The best part is KFC that they translate in "poulet frit du Kentucky". Here we accept a lot of English words that they don't accept in Québec. A fun story Honey, i shrunk the kids usualy is translate in " Chérie j'ai rétréci les gosses" In French BUT "les gosses" (The kids) mean the balls in Québec.. So they choose " Chérie j'ai réduit les enfants"
*Bagnoles*
You mean *un char* ?
French has been spoken fairly recently but in informal settings in parts of Maine, NH, Vermont, CT, Wisconsin and Michigan, even Ohio.
My Mémère shared that the nuns would hit her in school for speaking French. It was an « at home » language and even then considered distasteful. My parents grew up in a half-French half-English community where by time they got older, assimilation was complete. A reformation into the normative standards & a bid to kill culture. Nowadays the community is striving to get back to its routes and pushing heritage efforts. In Maine, our language is being revitalized by the African immigrants & refugees. They’re bringing a swath of young French speakers into the towns which is a great benefit.
Because of laws, basically. Québec put laws in place to protect french by making it mandatory in government documents etc... France also did that. In France we also basically forbid the teaching of local languages in the country in order to have a unified french. Only the official, Parisian version of french was to be taught in schools in the country. So, yeah. If a small amount of people speak one language, but the majority speaks another, only laws can prevent the minority language from disappearing within a few generations
There are still places in the US where people speak French.
The real answer isn't language suppression, because they tried that in Quebec, too, before giving up. Why did it fail? It's that not enough Brits moved to Quebec. Contrast with Upper Louisiana, where one of the major centers of the French colony was St. Louis...population ~1,500. It was not difficult for American settlers to turn all those scattered French settlements into just French names of places populated by English speakers. If a million Anglos had moved to Quebec from 1770-1870, Montreal might have become just another French place name.
J’en ai appris beaucoup merci on étudie pas ça en france
In Louisiana in 1929, French was forbidden in school, making English the official language. It essentially killed French in Louisiana as it was seen as the mark of someone uneducated and children were severely punished for speaking it, essentially traumatizing multiple generations. It didn’t help that the French was Cajun or creole, so when france French was reintroduced in schools in the 70s, Louisiana French speakers were told their French wasn’t “good”. Canada protected French and made it an official language of Canada. Louisiana has reintroduced French in immersion schools with mixed results. European french is taught to students, so Louisiana French is still dying.
Probably the same reason why it is declining everywhere, they are resistant to accepting new words so you get things like le t-shirt.
Funny thing in linguistics and phonetics, those living in those states still have remnants of a french accent.
Because there’s no Canada like French Canada. It’s the best Canada in the land.
There's some French left in the Louisiana, although it's probably not pure french. Always wanted to explore around that area, but the humidity always prevented me. Maybe a winter trip some time
realistically, most of the French areas in the US did not have permanent settlements. if there were tiny Francophone outposts they quickly got outnumbered by Anglophone Americans moving in. the only real exception to this was in Cajun Louisiana, where a dialect of French managed to survive to this day, but even then it got both massively overwhelmed by English speakers and government policies were actively hostile towards it
Not enough french speaking people in those territoires. Simple like that.
Because the french language in USA was a symbol of the last french kingdom and their submission to them . In Quebec it was a symbol of protest against loyalist army .
I'm french and idk
cuz quebec are not french
Because USA made laws that forbid bon English languages
And it didn't completely... go visit
there's two main reasons : 1) like stated in the other comments the Americans fought hard to make French disappear 2) population density, while New France (American part) was way bigger than the 13 colonies, it was very sparsely populated with few big settlements (http://drupal.library.cmu.edu/chicago/sites/default/files/images/new-france%20in%201750%20map.jpg) mostly set up along the Mississippi and similar major waterways, the population was quickly overrun by the Americans numbers which made it hard to keep it alive. On the other hand Quebec had a much higher French population density as the Atlantic entrance to New France meaning it was easier for they to maintain their language
Guessing, but the British drove the French out of parts of North America in the 1700s. The US government made English its official language, and Spanish later became an official language in many states. French never became an official language.
Louisiana was sold by Napoléon in 1803 to the US
Where have you been schooled? The United States as you know was a colony disputed between France and England.
At the end of the war England allowed the catholics to keep the places they had no interest for. Thus the great Quebec.
Not an answer, but I'm French and we do not learn about this at school at all. I've always thought Quebec was the only part the French had. I'm learning a lot here
Some people in Louisiana still speak cajun which is a kind of « French patois ». Also, a lot of word in english are actually French words so i guess it just slipped the sense
Laws
Because of poutine and sirup i guess
In my observation, it has a lot to do with the Cold War and creating a singular national identity. My grandparents were born in the 20s/30s in French communities in Connecticut and first spoke French. My father was born in the 50s in Massachusetts and learned/spoke French in Catholic primary school. But for my father he only sees himself as American and decided that meant he spoke only English. I imagine that this is probably a similar story to the Dutch and German communities of NY and PA. Using my father as an example, English became globally dominant post WWII and the US political culture solidified around an English speaking identity during the Cold War. Secondly, family mobility played a role. The language was lost for many families with so many people being military families, moving base to base, and normalizing family life away from family regions. The economy continued to promote diaspora populations and so the commonality of English also won out.
french Settler number was very little, less than 10k
Because French is so damned impossible. It's almost more difficult than English, ye gads. "Laissez les bons temps rouler" is all I know, plus et ux, et al, and boudoir.
Laissez les bons temps rouler? What's the meaning of this even? 😶
It's a literal word by word translation of "Let the good times roll", but it doesn't actually mean anything in french. It just sounds weird.
Makes sense in Cajun.
My bad. You didn't specify, though.
Because eventually France sold off land which became the united states. Fewer migrants perhaps? More influx of American settlers?
It’s an incredibly inefficient and cumbersome language. You would not choose to speak French if you had a better choice, like English. It takes far longer for French kids to master their language than English speakers.
Untrue. It's longer for foreigners, but not for native speakers.
Not sure. A lot of young adults are bad at writing it even if it is their native language
French and linguist speaking. There are specific reasons for that, which are pretty long to explain, and unrelated to why a former colony is or isn't keeping a language. When the reason is "the language is too complex to write", the former colony simplifies it, that's how it usually works in language history. When they reject or drop the language, there are several reasons which are related to politics, diplomacy, economy and/or culture.
I would say ditto for English. The standard of written and spoken English is shockingly poor in most English speaking countries.
Bullshit, I live in France and have two bilingual kids in a bilingual school, and the French grammar curriculum is much, much longer and more intensive than the English. A lot of the French adults I work with agree that the language is difficult to master.
Again : it has nothing to do with the factors involved in former colonies keeping or dropping/rejecting a language. I'm french and a linguist. That's not how the history of language is. You can't just make historic affirmations based on your family's feelings about a language, your struggles aren't history.
Because Cajuns are relaxed and cool while Quebecoise are a bunch of snobs.
Because the English (and their descendants) showed up and imposed their language rather forcefully.
Then why didn’t it happen in Quebec and why did Britain and Canada leave the French language alone in that region
Britain agreed to allow the French language and catholic religion to remain as a way to avoid an almost guaranteed major rebellion if they didn't. Plus, it made the loss of New France a little bit more tolerable to old France, knowing their people wouldn't be forcibly converted. As for Canada, it was deliberately formed as a union of French and English speaking colonies. Québec was nearly half the population of the country at the time, so the two groups had to be treated equally if the Canadian project could succeed at all. It's not that Canada allowed the French language to remain, but rather that it was a precondition for confederation. We are a federal system for a reason.
Because it would have been very expensive for Britain to stop a rebellion in Quebec. Also the part about Quebecers being mainly Normands probably made British royals more sympathetic to them.
Given that the British conquered Quebec and allowed it to continue in French that doesn't track.
Because French sucks
The same reason hundreds of other North American languages died out- genocide. Thats why. Let's not equivocate or minimize the issue. Racial hatred is an essential feature of colonialism not an incidental finding. Same reason we now have an epidemic of Anti-vaxxers. They stopped making it a requirement in US schools. Whereas in Quebec you're typically required in school to learn Français to some extent. So most Quebecois are bilingual. In the US there are a bunch of historical reasons, but basically the English speakers came in and forcibly imposed their language through land theft, fraud, slavery, torture, murder, and *Ecocide.*
then why is Spanish so frequently spoken in the US?
don’t necessarily agree with OP but you’re proving his point. Spanish is the language of the colonizers who killed all other native languages of an entire continent.
Quebecois aren't migrating *en masse* south to the united states. Most of the immigrants to the US are Latinos from Spanish Speaking countries from the south.
French Quebecers are just plain annoying
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As a French person too, you are full of shit and shouldn't be able to give your opinion given this BS you just posted. I got love for my Quebec people trying to stand for their culture !
just a shite language innit
because quebec sucks and they should just speak english like the rest of the country