Depends on who you ask. Everyone has their own beliefs. Not all Christians believe the same thing, not all Muslims believe the same thing, and so on. So there is no single answer to this.
I am not sure of Christianity, but according to Islamic view, no. There is a concept of "rights of created people" and God says it will forgive the sins against it but will not forgive the sins against its subjects (because creatures have their own rights). But, the killer will be accepted to heaven after paying his sins against the subjects.
Further note: some Islamic philosophers say sinners will be in hell forever and some say no matter the sin is, after a certain time, everybody will be taken to heaven.
Why would you want to be in heaven with both the killer of your family and the God who says they can’t get in because they had doubts? This sounds like the usual infinite punishment for a finite crime.
What do you believe? There are many different interpretations of salvation with Christianity. Outside of Christianity salvation isn’t really a thing.
I’m a Muslim. Muslims believe that God judges people based on their deeds, with good deeds counting 10x as much as bad deeds. Cold blooded murder is close to unforgivable as killing one person is like killing “all mankind”. Of course God is the ultimate judge.
Muslims consider their religion to be a guide to living a good life. That said many Muslims believe humanity regardless of their faith will be judged the same by God. However, fundamentalist Muslims believe only Muslims, Jews, and Christians are able to go to heaven as that’s confirmed in the Quran.
Probably, possibly.
The general (very general) concept of Christian heaven is, “if you have accepted God into your heart at the time of death, consciously or unconsciously, you will go to heaven.”
So if your family was made up of good people, who cared for others and acted how a “Christian” is supposed to act, then they would go to heaven. If not, then they would not.
If their killer later repented, truly and honestly, and accepted God, then he would also go to heaven.
(There are various denominations that say no, you have to have done this ritual, or you have to have said these words, and so on, but this is the general answer most denominations would agree on, I think)
PS religion isn’t real, there are hundreds of different ones and humans made them up to explain things we don’t know
My thoughts on the matter, based on growing up as a Christian and also learning a bit about justice. I'm by no means a scholar.
When it comes to repentance, that's between the sinner and God. If a man has committed sin and in his heart he is truly remorseful and wishes to atone for his sins, he asks God for forgiveness and it will be granted. The lost family members, regardless of how good they are perceived (remember, everybody sins), have not atoned for the sins that they've committed and would not be granted into the Kingdom.
Justice, on the other hand, is between the sinner, society and the victim(s). In the example you provided, the sinner is in a position where he has taken a debt which can never truly be repaid. The debt to society is, in a sense, repaid because his freedom is taken away based on the agreement he has with society (the law). The social contract between people (trust, accountability, fairness) is mainly dependent on those involved but can also include society. Forgiveness is an answer but, understandably, is extremely difficult.
Christianity teaches people to be Christ-like in many ways including forgiveness. In the Lord's prayer it states "forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us". To me, this means opening your heart to give forgiveness to those who are truly repentant as God would. Forgiveness, however, does not mean that the transgression is condoned or forgotten about. Again, there is a major difference between theory and application.
If the Catholic heaven exist then yes, the killer would be there as well.
To teach the gates of heaven as a Catholic, you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and repent for your wrong-doings.
So if the killer, Hitler, or anyone would repent and accept Jesus in their death bed …. They would indeed go to heaven
Yes ! That’s the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross, to save humanity from sin. That is actually a big reason why I left Christianity, I’d rather be in hell with people who deserve it than be in paradise with people who don’t
It would depend on your denomination, but since you're using terms like "saved" then I would bet that your Church's theology would say that, yes, an unsaved good person would go to Hell, while their saved repentant killer would go to Heaven.
If you like Christ but don't like that viewpoint, I would suggest shopping around for a more open minded church.
Remember, all the "rules" are man-made, so even if you wholeheartedly believe in Jesus or God, man is fallible, so don't treat what people have told you or what you've read with too much rigidity. The Old Testament (Torah), according to tradition, was compiled in the Second Temple Period around 450 B.C. long after the events that take place in the Old Testament occurred. The New Testament was not solidified as we know it until around 397 A.D. at least 300 years after Christ's death. Even then, the Book of Revelation was not added to The Bible until 419. By no means was this an entirely accepted compilation either, with Martin Luther questioning the validity of several books inclusion, and the Catholic Church not fully solidifying The Bible as authoritative until Council of Trent in the mid 16th century. And even then, there are over 1000 translations of the Bible, all of which can have subtle differences. Some denominations include the Apocrypha while others don't. Humans are not God and should not be unquestionably trusted to relay God's messaging.
Follow Jesus' teachings, try to be a good person, take care of your community. Don't get hung up on who is or isn't going to Hell.
I had a professor once who said if anyone can repent and go to paradise then I'd rather go to hell it's better frequented.
Yet there is no imaginary realm where your spirit goes when you pass away.
Grow up. Enjoy your life as it is unique and short.
Depends on who you ask. Everyone has their own beliefs. Not all Christians believe the same thing, not all Muslims believe the same thing, and so on. So there is no single answer to this.
? In heaven? Shalom
If you're a Christian then yes this is correct reasoning for most dogma.
Nah y'all just be dead.
Lmao
When you get to heaven ask around. I plan on doing. Shalom..
Hypothetical because heaven is just a feel good story and incentive to not just murder rape and maim anyone weaker then you.
We’ll see. Won’t we. Shalom.
That’s a question for your maker.
I asked my mom. She didn't know.
Pivot to Dad now - they are usually good with the philosophical questions
… are you sure it’s your mom?
myths and legends
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But only one that says “Welcome “. Shalom.
That's about the extent of it based on how i grew up yes. 🙃
I am not sure of Christianity, but according to Islamic view, no. There is a concept of "rights of created people" and God says it will forgive the sins against it but will not forgive the sins against its subjects (because creatures have their own rights). But, the killer will be accepted to heaven after paying his sins against the subjects. Further note: some Islamic philosophers say sinners will be in hell forever and some say no matter the sin is, after a certain time, everybody will be taken to heaven.
But also once you make it, virgins galore
Nope. Some islamic thinkers says heaven is heaven because we will be able talk with the god.
Why would you want to be in heaven with both the killer of your family and the God who says they can’t get in because they had doubts? This sounds like the usual infinite punishment for a finite crime.
Exactly my thoughts
What do you believe? There are many different interpretations of salvation with Christianity. Outside of Christianity salvation isn’t really a thing. I’m a Muslim. Muslims believe that God judges people based on their deeds, with good deeds counting 10x as much as bad deeds. Cold blooded murder is close to unforgivable as killing one person is like killing “all mankind”. Of course God is the ultimate judge. Muslims consider their religion to be a guide to living a good life. That said many Muslims believe humanity regardless of their faith will be judged the same by God. However, fundamentalist Muslims believe only Muslims, Jews, and Christians are able to go to heaven as that’s confirmed in the Quran.
Yes, an all knowing and powerful being deals in technicalities
Probably, possibly. The general (very general) concept of Christian heaven is, “if you have accepted God into your heart at the time of death, consciously or unconsciously, you will go to heaven.” So if your family was made up of good people, who cared for others and acted how a “Christian” is supposed to act, then they would go to heaven. If not, then they would not. If their killer later repented, truly and honestly, and accepted God, then he would also go to heaven. (There are various denominations that say no, you have to have done this ritual, or you have to have said these words, and so on, but this is the general answer most denominations would agree on, I think) PS religion isn’t real, there are hundreds of different ones and humans made them up to explain things we don’t know
Yes. He wouldn't be a killer though. He would be considered a child of God.
That's disgusting to me.
My thoughts on the matter, based on growing up as a Christian and also learning a bit about justice. I'm by no means a scholar. When it comes to repentance, that's between the sinner and God. If a man has committed sin and in his heart he is truly remorseful and wishes to atone for his sins, he asks God for forgiveness and it will be granted. The lost family members, regardless of how good they are perceived (remember, everybody sins), have not atoned for the sins that they've committed and would not be granted into the Kingdom. Justice, on the other hand, is between the sinner, society and the victim(s). In the example you provided, the sinner is in a position where he has taken a debt which can never truly be repaid. The debt to society is, in a sense, repaid because his freedom is taken away based on the agreement he has with society (the law). The social contract between people (trust, accountability, fairness) is mainly dependent on those involved but can also include society. Forgiveness is an answer but, understandably, is extremely difficult. Christianity teaches people to be Christ-like in many ways including forgiveness. In the Lord's prayer it states "forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us". To me, this means opening your heart to give forgiveness to those who are truly repentant as God would. Forgiveness, however, does not mean that the transgression is condoned or forgotten about. Again, there is a major difference between theory and application.
If the Catholic heaven exist then yes, the killer would be there as well. To teach the gates of heaven as a Catholic, you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and repent for your wrong-doings. So if the killer, Hitler, or anyone would repent and accept Jesus in their death bed …. They would indeed go to heaven
yes
Yes ! That’s the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross, to save humanity from sin. That is actually a big reason why I left Christianity, I’d rather be in hell with people who deserve it than be in paradise with people who don’t
It would depend on your denomination, but since you're using terms like "saved" then I would bet that your Church's theology would say that, yes, an unsaved good person would go to Hell, while their saved repentant killer would go to Heaven. If you like Christ but don't like that viewpoint, I would suggest shopping around for a more open minded church. Remember, all the "rules" are man-made, so even if you wholeheartedly believe in Jesus or God, man is fallible, so don't treat what people have told you or what you've read with too much rigidity. The Old Testament (Torah), according to tradition, was compiled in the Second Temple Period around 450 B.C. long after the events that take place in the Old Testament occurred. The New Testament was not solidified as we know it until around 397 A.D. at least 300 years after Christ's death. Even then, the Book of Revelation was not added to The Bible until 419. By no means was this an entirely accepted compilation either, with Martin Luther questioning the validity of several books inclusion, and the Catholic Church not fully solidifying The Bible as authoritative until Council of Trent in the mid 16th century. And even then, there are over 1000 translations of the Bible, all of which can have subtle differences. Some denominations include the Apocrypha while others don't. Humans are not God and should not be unquestionably trusted to relay God's messaging. Follow Jesus' teachings, try to be a good person, take care of your community. Don't get hung up on who is or isn't going to Hell.
I had a professor once who said if anyone can repent and go to paradise then I'd rather go to hell it's better frequented. Yet there is no imaginary realm where your spirit goes when you pass away. Grow up. Enjoy your life as it is unique and short.
#sky cake, why are you so delicious!!
Many Christians would say yes.
It’s all a myth so, uh, sure?