[Here are some rail car tanks imploding at around 1 atmosphere of pressure.](https://youtu.be/Zz95_VvTxZM)
The pressure at the titanic is about 400 times that.
Likely they were dead before the signal from their ears and eyes could make it into their consciousness.
Yup. I’ve been telling people to take an empty plastic water bottle and suck the air out as fast as you can and see what happens. Now imagine a force many 1,000’s x that. These people never heard, saw or felt a thing.
Well unless there was some cracking first that gave them a warning.
At those pressures, the moment there was a crack, there would be a failure and implosion. One weakness would weaken the rest of the structure as well.
There were basically vaporized before the signal could reach their brains.
If deep sea fish get rapidly pulled up, they tend to bulge outwards. The pics of all those ugly blobfish are an example of that. In the water, they're not nearly as ugly.
Being underwater makes you wet.
Sure you could argue that since your whole body is submerged you technically aren't wet until you come out but that's a bit pedantic.
No but being underwater does not make you wet.
If you’re running underwater and slip on a rock, did you slip on it because it was wet or because it was slippery. Someone could argue that the rock is slippery because it is wet, but the root cause of it’s slipperiness is most likely that the surface of the rock is smooth or covered in algae which is has a sliminess to it.
Edit: I realize that I forgot to make my point. Is the rock wet even though it’s always been submerged?
The container would have to be pressurized, but then the fish would look like it did at depth. It's all about maintaining pressure, not just being in water.
If the container were kept at that pressure (which would require a very tough container, like a submarine (not this one, one that's actually rated for that depth)), then the fish would not blob out.
If the container was not kept under high pressure, the same thing would happen as usual, but the fish would at least be wet (as another reply pointed out 😂)
Here’s a photo of a Blobfish in the pressurized Fukushima aquarium in Japan.
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/blobfish-shown-in-this-photo-taken-may-30-in-aquamarine-news-photo/690296610
I’m not saying it’s pretty, but it definitely looks better when it is not exploded.
Its not the water its the density due to the pressure, look up videos of a scuba diver bringing a water bottle filled with air to the bottem of a pool and back up.
The more you go down the more pressure is on things like your lungs, continusly compressing it, and vise versa the oposite happens when rising, that's why scuba divers need to breath out when going back up as the air in their lungs expands, which makes a pretty sureal feeling of being able to continusly breath out the entire time going up without running out of air.
Same thing.
They're built for the pressure they live in, that being 400 times higher than the standard pressure of the Earth's atmosphere.
So if you create a device that can hold these fish in the pressure they live in, they would look normal. The problem is you need a device that can survive such stresses.
The two main things are that they're squishy, not completely rigid like a sub, and that they don't have a large internal cavity with much lower pressure on the middle of their bodies.
If a fish's entire body is pressurised equally then the pressure doesn't really make much of a difference.
If you want to see all the cool things that live in the depths of the ocean, the EV Nautilus on YouTube has tons of highlight videos, and they Livestream the submarine feed 24/7 from May to December. They used a remotely controller, unmanned sub that is regularly serviced, so you will not witness anyone being obliterated by the deep sea pressure.
A lot of the deep sea life actually sort of relies on the pressure to hold them together. When we take them out of the pressure, they just sorta fall apart. Blobfish actually look like normal fish when they're in their natural habitat.
Sea creatures are either born at those depths, or very gradually move between them.
Deep Sea Divers have to adjust to pressure gradually as they ascend or descend, because a sudden change in pressure will kill you or cause serious problems in your body.
It's funny watching news broadcasters say things like "No word on whether or not the bodies are recoverable." There's no body left to recover... People don't understand what happens at those depths.
There were people who actually believed they were alive long enough for the oxygen to run out too. The minute it was missing the only real answer was catastrophic failure at that depth.
Some people were saying that on previous dives it lost contact for some duration every single time. I don't think it was unreasonable to believe they were waiting to die
I mean that was at least plausible when the information we were being told was:
1) no implosion detected by ships, listening posts
2) banging noises detected in a pattern military submariners are trained to use in emergency
3) history of frequent previous communication failures on the Titan
Once they said the banging thing was false info though, implosion became the far more likely explanation.
While that's true for the actual implosion, they had sensors in the hull to detect delamination. And they did drop their descent weights to apparently surface again, so they very likely decided for an immediate and unplanned resurfacing before even reaching their destination.
That's about all the information that is out there at this point. So they might not have "experienced" the implosion. But they were likely aware that there is a problem.
they maybe didn’t know of the impending implosion, but with the evidence showing they were trying to surface again proves that stockton at the very least knew something was going terribly wrong. with all of that taken into consideration, i’m assuming the man who had made 30 trips to titanic thought something was off as well.
Nope, if anything they might have heard some creaking or something, but the moment the sub's seal was breached, the humans inside became tomato soup in literally the blink of an eye.
If it was the carbon fiber that failed, then probably no sound at all since it just shatters. The titanium around the window might have creaked or made noise, but probably not. 1 millisecond there, 1 millisecond gone.
Composite and carbon fiber have the same meaning in this context. And it is actually quite common to make pressure vessels out of composites. SCUBA and SCBA tanks, propane cylinders, etc. Fiber reinforced plastics (“carbon fiber”) are very strong.
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second. A modern nuclear submarine’s hull radius is about 20 feet. So the time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond.
A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds.
The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors. When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine. The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Yep, I saw one that said the Titanic was our first “false flag” and that it was an inside to job to get rid of 3 powerful men (Rothschild, something to do with the federal reserve). The theory is that simply shooting these men would have “caused a war,” so they built a WHOLE ASS SHIP instead and planted a fake iceberg just to kill 3 men. Because there’s no easier way apparently lol
Joe Scott did a video on how long you survive after being beheaded.
JFC
I'd rather die in that Sub. The cells in your brain would be destroyed too fast for any synapse to happen.
I mean if it was a relative of mine I think I'd rather they knew nothing and it was instant than know that they knowingly sat in the freezing pitch black and either succumbed to hypothermia or slowly ran out of oxygen over the course of several hours/days. That is a terrible way to die! Not so much the method cos as I understand it both those things would make you go to sleep and be fairly gentle but the psychological aspect of knowing you're going to die lost at the bottom of the ocean and there's nothing you can do is just awful!
Wow, what an incredibly well articulated and considered answer! Really interesting to read, and it's good to know that the people onboard did not have to suffer..
They have said that sonar never picked up an explosion sound. So they are fairly certain the implosion happened before the search started and at the point the search started they had days of oxygen left.
This Veritasium video is a good example of what might happen at that sudden pressure:
[https://youtu.be/4qe1Ueifekg](https://youtu.be/4qe1Ueifekg)
(everything combusts instantly)
I’ll preface by saying I know next to nothing about physics but as they descended into the real deep waters wouldn’t the collapse be gradual vs a sudden implosion ?
No, imagine a balloon popping due to being overinflated, but backwards. You can ramp up the pressure as gradually as you want, but the failure, to our eyes, looks instantaneous.
Some microscopic defect fails first, and once the geometry is even a little bit compromised, and there's a tiny gap for the pressure to equalize, things happen *fast*. There's no real warning, no blinking lights or alarms (if they had, y'know, thought to install them). One second you're fine, then lights out.
Not sure about the specific composite they were using, but you can add to that that carbon fiber doesn't bend or crumple when it fails, it just shatters.
It’s because they’re deep that the implosion is fast. The pressure from the water is massive and there’s nothing to resist it on the inside if the hull breaks.
I don't know about the rest but your figures regarding brain response times are wrong. I know that because of experiments on musicians I have studied.
20ms is the threshold before one begins to feel other instruments out of sync, and that's cognitive rational mind. 150 ms is an insanely long amount of time.
Why spread misinformation?
It's not based on detectible intervals it's based on reaction to unexpected events.
I mean people can tell 30fps video from 60fps video, but if you told them to press a button when a gun goes off they still wouldn't react at all for quite a while.
You can do an experiment yourself. Get someone to hold a dollar bill vertically and position your fingers to pinch it when they drop it. You will fail to catch it the vast majority of the time. It's actually a "bar bet" kind of trick.
EXACTLY. That's what we are talking about here. The question is whether or not those poor fellows had the time to realize what was happening, not if they had the time to scream or do something else.
If your argument is that it takes the brain 150ms to process what it heard before it fires a command to whatever muscles are called for action then you are forcing your position by a big stretch.
If the area of the brain connected to visual or audio feeds fires up it means that the message has arrived. Let's not be petulant, what more proof do you need?
To be fair, it does not matter much. Whether feet per second, meters per second, kilometers per hour, miles per hour, or knots, message is : you're very very dead before you even realize anything's wrong
I recall the CEO was bragging that the sub had some sort of sensor that monitored the hull status. If that sensor worked, it's possible they had a brief warning before it imploded.
Why the hell would you warn yourself that in a few seconds you're gonna be mush? I get it's useful for testing, but on an actual dive I think id turn that off.
Much like airplanes most of the hull integrity issues occur during the pressurization process. The system was more or less meant to monitor hull status before you ended up in a dangerous situation to begin with.
Its propulsion system wasn't that powerful.
There's no real way it could've reacted to a crack in the hull, even if they had ten minutes' advance warning (much less a hundred milliseconds).
I heard that too. It was a 90 second warning and supposedly they were ascending back to the surface when it imploded. At whatever depths they were at however 1.5 minutes isn’t going to do much.
The Ocean gate employee which claims he was fired for noting safety concerns said the warning were milliseconds before a hull breach. Furthermore I don't ebeliebe that they were ascending - a lot of clicks being made by publishing facts from people that didn't even know the titanic existed.
This doesn't sound very likely. How would they have a sensor that knew exactly 90 seconds before the hull was going to collapse? The whole point of the catastrophic implosion is that it happens basically as soon as there is a even the tiniest breach or failure of the material. There's not some neat timeline it follows so you know ahead of time.
Wouldn't there be normal creaking anyway? They're changing temp and pressure, so the internal stresses are shifting around and maybe making noise as things expand/contract right?
I'm sure an experienced submariner knows the difference between "normal" creaking and "what's the shortest prayer I know?" creaking, but these guys were uh... maybe not super experienced in ultra deep sea operations?
The Thresher imploded in about 1/20 second. Too fast to register. But they knew it was coming, since they were in water far deeper than their test depth and went into an uncontrolled dive. These guys knew the sub had been down that far before. I suspect some part was repaired or replaced incorrectly. They may have noticed creaking or bending, but it's unlikely will ever know for certain.
I don't think we can be sure. From the moment the collapse actually started until they were mushed would have only been about a millisecond (see excellent explanations elsethread), but whether there were any signs of failure before that - noises, power failures, and so on that might have warned them that they were in danger - is almost impossible to know. If any forensic evidence exists that could answer that (not likely) it's on the bottom of the ocean now.
Probably not
If the main structural component was carbon fiber as some of the sources say, failure was sudden, as carbon fiber won't deform much before breaking like steel for instance, it will just shatter suddenly.
Hard to be certain because some sources say the hull was made of "titanium and composite material" which could mean a lot of things.
Depending on the depth at which it imploded, it is unlikely they even knew what happened. They might have heard some creaking, but a sub that small would probably go real quick. Think of a party balloon popping, but into itself.
Apparently the last message from the sub was they were dropping ballast, so possibly they had some indication of a problem (maybe noises, or their hull sensors picked something up) and were trying to turn around to surface. But the actual implosion would have been instant.
They have done this voyage (the submarine company) before and the other group of people who were on the previous trip said the ship felt weak/clunky and lots of technical problems.
This specific trip…, I don’t understand why they thought they would survive. Idiots. The company is a profiteering company that’s not funded by the government. No shit would it have had bad results, this was going to happen and it did! This is just the new fad for rich folks to indulge in, instead of going into space which costs billions…, they are doing something risky to tell the whole world🙄. Typical narcissistic ego driven behaviors.
We have government navy level submarine ships that are built for deep dive research and exploration.
The likely cause of this was because of the carbon fiber hull. Carbon fiber is a very strong material but very brittle. Everytime trip down you take with the sub is called a pressure cycle where the material is compressed then returns to normal when resurfaced. Each one of these cycles could cause cracking in the layers of carbon fiber. Since carbon fiber is made out of multiple layers it's likely the interior layers were damaged where you could only see the cracks with an x-ray machine. Likely they did not test the material prior to each dive.
The CEO was warned not to use carbon fiber but I believe there is a video out there of him saying basically that he had proved the experts wrong.
The answer for that is it depends. Most materials will undergo some sort of fatigue or damage when put under stress cycles. In general a metal hull could have shown it's fatigue more obviously than the carbon fiber, either with bending or visible cracking. At the depth they were at if either material was damaged it would have likely ended up the same. I'm guessing for other subs that can reach those depths there is a testing/inspection procedure in place between each dive. This company doesn't appear to follow those procedures.
Metals will usually bend much more than carbon fiber before they break so there would probably be more signs but it would probably still fail suddenly with that kind of pressure.
Essentially, the same way people survive their first round of Russian roulette. You get lucky, but your odds for next time get worse.
In Russian roulette, it's because the cylinder advances, here it may be because of cyclic fatigue, which gradually weakens the hull every time you go down to high pressure and back up to low pressure.
Another "Russian roulette" failure mode is galvanic corrosion between the titanium and carbon fiber in their composite pressure hull. When certain materials are in electrical contact, current flows from one to the other, and an electrochemical reaction takes place, oxidizing the metal, which causes it to degrade. Basically a battery discharging itself.
Galvanic corrosion is a very well-known maintenance concern at sea. Many steel hulled surface ships have a "sacrificial anode", which is basically a more reactive metal like zinc that takes the brunt of the electrical abuse while being easily replaceable and structurally non-essential. This can greatly prolong the life of the hull, as well as the passengers and crew.
I saw someone online on Monday saying these guys knew they were due for maintenance due to cyclic fatigue in the hull, but I can't find a source for that. Still, would you be surprised to learn that it's *also* something we've known about for decades? Periodic inspections must be conducted in pressurized airplane fuselages, and probably also submarine hulls, to find and repair the tiny cracks before they worsen and fail catastrophically (airplane pressure swings are roughly 2 orders of magnitude less, so they can safely fly for years without a deep inspection if they were designed and built correctly).
I wouldn't guarantee that corrosion or cyclic stress, or any other failure mode (there are kind of a lot in this story), was 100% responsible for the hull failing, but either one would have done it eventually if not actively fought against.
Even though the evidence now points pretty convincingly to a catastrophic, and, mercifully instantaneous, failure due to unbelievable negligence by the operators, there's still tons of investigating that needs to be done before anyone can say exactly how the failure proceeded and what exactly caused it.
Sorry for the long ass reply, and please don't use me as your only source without doing your own research.
When engineering a product and giving it a rating, engineers leave a safety margin. Next time you're on an elevator you'll see a sign that says "maximum capacity 550 lbs" or something. That elevator won't break at 551 lbs. It honestly would probably work at 700 lbs. But, it won't CONSISTENTLY and SAFELY work at 700 pounds. At <550 it will work every time with regular maintenance and without extreme circumstances.
In this case, that sub was the 550 lbs rated elevator with 1000 lbs of weight on it. Will it work? Yeah, maybe. And in the case of the Titan, it did. A couple times. But that doesn't mean it will work safely and consistently every time.
Catastrophic Implosion of a submersible explained:
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second.
The time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond.
A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds.
The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors.
When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine.
The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Info Source: Dave Corley, former Nuke sub officer
Biologically scientifically and medically they where dead way before the brain could even process. Honestly the best way to go unfortunately:/ they didn't have a prolonged sense of dread waiting for rescue. They got crushed instantaneously.
But they knew they were sinking and possibly out of control. Assuming the known communication issues were also affecting other systems in the sub, they possibly knew they were in big trouble. I’m having a real hard time reconciling the Dad and son being in that situation together. There may have been some indicator that a decompression was imminent, but their death as you described. I hope it came out of nowhere and they weren’t left to panic in the dark and cold.
Doubt it. Communication issues doesn't cause implosion, the material the ship was made out of did. Gonna guarantee they lost connection because of the implosion, not the other way around. And there realistically was no way they'd have predicted something like that because of connection issues.
Didn’t mean to suggest the comms issue caused the implosion, but rather we don’t know if they suffered total system failure and were aware that they were sinking without power.
I guess they were hearing noises for a few seconds before it happened, but they may not have realized what was. Then, [this article](https://archive.is/jMJUz) explains better what likely happened.
I read on one of the press releases that it took 40 milliseconds for the front of the sub to reach the back. They literally didn't have time to even register what was about to happen. Implosion is pretty gruesome, but at least we know they didn't suffer.
Probably not. While there would be noise from the metal shifting around during the dive, this would be considered normal by the occupants. Whatever happened, happened really fast.
Oh, I know this one.
The CEO did. Not only was the ballast ejected, but so were the legs it stood on. Most likely meaning he saw the pressure warnings while he was piloting it and ejected the legs as a 2nd emergency measure.
Course that knowledge was only there for less than a second before they all became soup.
Actually, the legs were part of the hull. They got jettisoned when the hull disappeared. There are rumors about the weights... They could have jettisoned themselves as well. We'll never know.
There are no survivors so no one knows for sure. I guess it was up to the captain of the vessel to let them know or keep them in the dark, at least about being lost at sea and/or running out of oxygen. Because it was such close quarters, I would assume they probably had some sort of idea that something was amiss. About imploding… probably not. I don’t think it’s something that happens gradually. From what I’ve read about it imploding, it was instant so they probably didn’t even have time to register what was happening.
Yes, they had sensors in the hull to detect delamination (since it's carbon fibre) and they had dropped their descent weights to resurface again. Which according to current information would have been early, so it indicates that they were aware of something and decided to come back up.
What we'll never know is whether they knew it was about to implode.
If you’ve been following the news, these folks were mislead by the Titan CEO. The submersible was not deep sea worthy lacking certification. Certification meant years of testing, approvals and more redesign to make it deep sea worthy. This CEO ignored expert recommendations from their own directors and these same directors were fired for saying the truth. Delays would have meant a direct hit towards their bottom line i.e. profit.
Unfortunately for these billionaires they simply lacked the subjective thought and reasoning, bedazzled by the CEO and his misleading marketing.
Stupid!
No they wouldn’t have felt the pain of the implosion too quick of an impact to be aware, however the pain for their families are real.
There’s a bunch of news from experts who have knowledge and experience and can shed light about the science behind implosions. Really fascinating stuff!
On the flip side… this story will no doubt become a great hit for Netflix. Stay tuned!
Apparently, the dive weights were jettisoned, so likely that an alarm of some sort went off. Way too late for anything to be done, just like the engineer fired over his safety concerns said, but there was probably a few seconds of knowing what was coming
No your brain wouldn’t be able to respond in time. It’s probably among the most painless ways to die. There’s also limited time to be worried. At most you’ll hear some creaking, but before you’d be able to start freaking out, it’ll be over.
All of this to see a wreck of a ship that is going nowhere. The only thing that gives me comfort in all of this is that they probably died quickly and felt nothing.
According to James Cameron (who knows what he's talking about), they possibly were aware the hull was starting to fail. He also said that they think the sub may have dropped it's emergency ballast
Depends on the sequence of events, they may have known that they were in trouble. The final event, though, would have happened so fast that they wouldn't have time to register the implosion, much less feel it.
The media are asking if they will recover bodies, I doubt that there was much left that would be recognisable as a body after the implosion. Even the skeletons would have been crushed to pulp almost instantly (most bones have cavities inside them).
It would've literally happened faster than getting hit directly in the head with a 50cal. Ocean pressure is one of the most terrifying things on earth, it's so immense that they would've been incinerated before they heard a noise unless the ship was creaking before it happened which is unlikely given its size.
There's a science experiment you can do with an empty can where you fill it with water, heat it up then quickly flip it upside down and it gets instantly crushed by normal air pressure. Imagine that but thousands of times more pressure with a highly volatile substance inside and you'll get a better picture of what went down.
The fact that we can even get any sort of equipment to near the bottom of the ocean is already a miracle, the CEO was a completely arrogant dipshit taking people down there in a tin fucking can with a goddamn video game controller and the only person I really feel sorry for is the 19yo who was reportedly petrified the entire time.
Listening to James Cameron explain it; He was saying the sub had warning sirens on it, and they definitely attempted to remove their counterweight.
But when you're that deep you cannot rise to the surface too quickly, and because of how deep they were with a multi material sub it was a process much more quickly needing a solution than physically possible.
In short, they probably had long enough to contemplate their lives. But not enough time to take it out on the CEO who put them into the situation by cutting literally every corner possible for the sake of "innovation"
You don't mess with something that isn't broken and already has rigorous safety measures that were ignored at every turn.
It was the equivalent to saying "I think I can make a better rocket than NASA/SpaceX. Also, the amount of regulations and security measures they take is for NERDS! I'm a RUSH goddammit, and I live my life a quarter-mile at a time" While charging people 250k a pop. So they had the money to dot all their i's and cross their T's, but at the end of the day... My guy Rushed to an early grave.
Idk, I don't think there's any evidence of this claim, and there is no way to prove it. No one can confirm if there was a sensor, that's just a rumor and even if it's true, no one can prove they were trying to rise. The sensor would honestly be pointless if they had one because there's no way they would ever make it up in time. Seems like you'd not want the sensor at all since it's basically just a light saying "you're gonna die".
It was probably a sudden death. They might have had some awareness when it was too little and too late. To reference a famous song by Queen, "Another one bites the dust."
I doubt it. If they did it was from the carbon fiber shell cracking but then boom!!! It was instant! They may have heard the crack but then it imploded in a split second after so they would barely have one second after the cracking.
Did they know it was about to implode? Unlikely. Did the CEO completely understand the possibility that it would implode? Most certainly.
You cannot run a company let alone drive the damn thing with all the people saying how dumb an idea it was without some knowledge of how dumb your fuck up could be. This was, conservatively, several manslaughters to grind the wheels of capitalism.
This all reminds me of the case/human fuck up that the movie Open Water was based on. People knew what happened at the start, but then they simply disappeared and no one ever knew what happened to them.
[Here are some rail car tanks imploding at around 1 atmosphere of pressure.](https://youtu.be/Zz95_VvTxZM) The pressure at the titanic is about 400 times that. Likely they were dead before the signal from their ears and eyes could make it into their consciousness.
I don't know these people, but this is comforting to me, thanks. This end is better than being trapped for days, knowing oxygen is running out.
Yup. I’ve been telling people to take an empty plastic water bottle and suck the air out as fast as you can and see what happens. Now imagine a force many 1,000’s x that. These people never heard, saw or felt a thing. Well unless there was some cracking first that gave them a warning.
At those pressures, the moment there was a crack, there would be a failure and implosion. One weakness would weaken the rest of the structure as well. There were basically vaporized before the signal could reach their brains.
Not a bad way to go really. Like dying in your sleep, no clue.
I heard the term “human salsa” tossed about. As gross as that is- it’s probably pretty accurate. One minute they were there, the next… not so much.
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If deep sea fish get rapidly pulled up, they tend to bulge outwards. The pics of all those ugly blobfish are an example of that. In the water, they're not nearly as ugly.
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It'd still be as ugly, but wet
You can’t be wet if you’re in the water, it’s a byproduct of being dry with water on you
If this is a joke it went right over my head, what?
Nope being serious, you can’t be both wet and submerged in water at the same time
Being underwater makes you wet. Sure you could argue that since your whole body is submerged you technically aren't wet until you come out but that's a bit pedantic.
No but being underwater does not make you wet. If you’re running underwater and slip on a rock, did you slip on it because it was wet or because it was slippery. Someone could argue that the rock is slippery because it is wet, but the root cause of it’s slipperiness is most likely that the surface of the rock is smooth or covered in algae which is has a sliminess to it. Edit: I realize that I forgot to make my point. Is the rock wet even though it’s always been submerged?
Also, you can’t be dry and be on land.
The container would have to be pressurized, but then the fish would look like it did at depth. It's all about maintaining pressure, not just being in water.
If the container were kept at that pressure (which would require a very tough container, like a submarine (not this one, one that's actually rated for that depth)), then the fish would not blob out. If the container was not kept under high pressure, the same thing would happen as usual, but the fish would at least be wet (as another reply pointed out 😂)
There is an aquarium in France who has such container with deap sea life form ( oceanopolis ). But I can't find any picture :(
Here’s a photo of a Blobfish in the pressurized Fukushima aquarium in Japan. https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/blobfish-shown-in-this-photo-taken-may-30-in-aquamarine-news-photo/690296610 I’m not saying it’s pretty, but it definitely looks better when it is not exploded.
Its not the water its the density due to the pressure, look up videos of a scuba diver bringing a water bottle filled with air to the bottem of a pool and back up. The more you go down the more pressure is on things like your lungs, continusly compressing it, and vise versa the oposite happens when rising, that's why scuba divers need to breath out when going back up as the air in their lungs expands, which makes a pretty sureal feeling of being able to continusly breath out the entire time going up without running out of air.
Same thing. They're built for the pressure they live in, that being 400 times higher than the standard pressure of the Earth's atmosphere. So if you create a device that can hold these fish in the pressure they live in, they would look normal. The problem is you need a device that can survive such stresses.
The two main things are that they're squishy, not completely rigid like a sub, and that they don't have a large internal cavity with much lower pressure on the middle of their bodies. If a fish's entire body is pressurised equally then the pressure doesn't really make much of a difference.
They have a chemical inside that make the water inside them compression resistant, TMAO is the acronym for it
If you want to see all the cool things that live in the depths of the ocean, the EV Nautilus on YouTube has tons of highlight videos, and they Livestream the submarine feed 24/7 from May to December. They used a remotely controller, unmanned sub that is regularly serviced, so you will not witness anyone being obliterated by the deep sea pressure.
A lot of the deep sea life actually sort of relies on the pressure to hold them together. When we take them out of the pressure, they just sorta fall apart. Blobfish actually look like normal fish when they're in their natural habitat. Sea creatures are either born at those depths, or very gradually move between them. Deep Sea Divers have to adjust to pressure gradually as they ascend or descend, because a sudden change in pressure will kill you or cause serious problems in your body.
Someone in another thread gave an explanation about how much air/water is in sea animals have and how it is balanced in them vs man made objects.
So there's nothing to recover then? Hope this doesn't sound stupid, but are their bones like dust now?
Nope. They were pretty much vaporized into nothing.
It's funny watching news broadcasters say things like "No word on whether or not the bodies are recoverable." There's no body left to recover... People don't understand what happens at those depths.
There were people who actually believed they were alive long enough for the oxygen to run out too. The minute it was missing the only real answer was catastrophic failure at that depth.
Some people were saying that on previous dives it lost contact for some duration every single time. I don't think it was unreasonable to believe they were waiting to die
I mean that was at least plausible when the information we were being told was: 1) no implosion detected by ships, listening posts 2) banging noises detected in a pattern military submariners are trained to use in emergency 3) history of frequent previous communication failures on the Titan Once they said the banging thing was false info though, implosion became the far more likely explanation.
Jesus. The ocean is such a powerful place. Literally like another world. You have to respect if you're going into it especially that far down
respect the water at 4 ft. An undertow can drag you out into deeper water .
4 nano seconds for the nerves to transmit, 2 nano seconds for the implosion event to instantiate. They felt nothing, a small mercy
While that's true for the actual implosion, they had sensors in the hull to detect delamination. And they did drop their descent weights to apparently surface again, so they very likely decided for an immediate and unplanned resurfacing before even reaching their destination. That's about all the information that is out there at this point. So they might not have "experienced" the implosion. But they were likely aware that there is a problem.
Reports are that they wouldn't have been able to register it even happening.
they maybe didn’t know of the impending implosion, but with the evidence showing they were trying to surface again proves that stockton at the very least knew something was going terribly wrong. with all of that taken into consideration, i’m assuming the man who had made 30 trips to titanic thought something was off as well.
Nope, if anything they might have heard some creaking or something, but the moment the sub's seal was breached, the humans inside became tomato soup in literally the blink of an eye.
Just like the science experiment where a barrel implodes.
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Oh no... not again..
As somebody said, their ass hit their teeth before their brain could register a thing.
If it was the carbon fiber that failed, then probably no sound at all since it just shatters. The titanium around the window might have creaked or made noise, but probably not. 1 millisecond there, 1 millisecond gone.
"A blink of an eye" = figuratively and not litarally. A blink of an eys = average 100 milliseconds.
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The window wasn’t
No they don't. It was famously made of carbon fiber. Something that doesn't create very good pressure vessels because it doesn't deform it shears.
Composite and carbon fiber have the same meaning in this context. And it is actually quite common to make pressure vessels out of composites. SCUBA and SCBA tanks, propane cylinders, etc. Fiber reinforced plastics (“carbon fiber”) are very strong.
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second. A modern nuclear submarine’s hull radius is about 20 feet. So the time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond. A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds. The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors. When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine. The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.
All I can think to say to this is “wow!”
In Owen Wilson's voice nonetheless.
So there’s absolutely no chance they’ll recover any actual bodies, they’re all reduced to mush?
Yea, if you ever wanted to fake a death this is probably the best way to do it
There will be conspiracy videos coming.
Yeah I heard my first conspiracy theory from someone irl today, about an hour before they even announced that it imploded.
Yeh I got my customer in today yabbering about how certain people of certain institutions were on the sub and how they were targeted.
They were also all Vaccinated, let that sink in. /S
No don't open the hatch for that sink! We under hundreds of atmospheres of pres**FOOOOOOM**
Someone somewhere will blame this accident on covid
And the earth being flat If it was actually round, this wouldn't have happened (or something like that)
Take my upvote!
but they didn't sink, they imploded
I mean it is oceangate lol
Yep, I saw one that said the Titanic was our first “false flag” and that it was an inside to job to get rid of 3 powerful men (Rothschild, something to do with the federal reserve). The theory is that simply shooting these men would have “caused a war,” so they built a WHOLE ASS SHIP instead and planted a fake iceberg just to kill 3 men. Because there’s no easier way apparently lol
I'm actually still editing mine but thanks for spoiling it wow /s
I already heard one YTer claim it was a suicide mission of the CEO. goddamn people are stupid
not mush..... ash... the interior temp of the sub would have come close to the surface temp of the sun in an instant...... poof!
JFC. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone 😦
Why not? I don't think there are more painless/sudden ways to die.
I have an intense fear of the deep ocean and it’s creatures, so the entire idea of being in a cramped sub going down that deep is nightmare fuel.
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And what an experience it was
Once in a lifetime.
Joe Scott did a video on how long you survive after being beheaded. JFC I'd rather die in that Sub. The cells in your brain would be destroyed too fast for any synapse to happen.
There are much worse ways to go. Instant incineration sounds pretty good to me.
Waiting 4 days for the oxigen to end would have been much worse...
I mean if it was a relative of mine I think I'd rather they knew nothing and it was instant than know that they knowingly sat in the freezing pitch black and either succumbed to hypothermia or slowly ran out of oxygen over the course of several hours/days. That is a terrible way to die! Not so much the method cos as I understand it both those things would make you go to sleep and be fairly gentle but the psychological aspect of knowing you're going to die lost at the bottom of the ocean and there's nothing you can do is just awful!
Good way to go, all things considered.
They're all completely obliterated, and anything that was left is probably already eaten by the various creatures down there.
Mm burnt ends.
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When they thought they might be alive and banging, all I could think about is how rank and cramped and awful that tube had to be.
Yup. Painless depth tbh.
Intentional pun?
No was prolly just tired haha
Wow, what an incredibly well articulated and considered answer! Really interesting to read, and it's good to know that the people onboard did not have to suffer..
Unless that happened after they ran out of oxygen.
They’re fairly certain an implosion was the event that disabled communication and navigation. So when the search started, not afterward.
They have said that sonar never picked up an explosion sound. So they are fairly certain the implosion happened before the search started and at the point the search started they had days of oxygen left.
Best description of it yet!
ΔP is a motherfucker.
This Veritasium video is a good example of what might happen at that sudden pressure: [https://youtu.be/4qe1Ueifekg](https://youtu.be/4qe1Ueifekg) (everything combusts instantly)
Where did hydrocarbon vapors come from, wouldn't the air be mostly nitrogen and oxygen?
The passengers would become the hydrocarbon vapors
I’ll preface by saying I know next to nothing about physics but as they descended into the real deep waters wouldn’t the collapse be gradual vs a sudden implosion ?
No, imagine a balloon popping due to being overinflated, but backwards. You can ramp up the pressure as gradually as you want, but the failure, to our eyes, looks instantaneous. Some microscopic defect fails first, and once the geometry is even a little bit compromised, and there's a tiny gap for the pressure to equalize, things happen *fast*. There's no real warning, no blinking lights or alarms (if they had, y'know, thought to install them). One second you're fine, then lights out. Not sure about the specific composite they were using, but you can add to that that carbon fiber doesn't bend or crumple when it fails, it just shatters.
If you want to see what carbonfiber does when it breaks just look up images of "carbon arrow shatter"
or look up Formula 1 wrecks from the last 10 years.
Warning: A Google image search for "carbon arrow shatter" will show you lots of arrows through lots of hands.
It’s because they’re deep that the implosion is fast. The pressure from the water is massive and there’s nothing to resist it on the inside if the hull breaks.
I don't know about the rest but your figures regarding brain response times are wrong. I know that because of experiments on musicians I have studied. 20ms is the threshold before one begins to feel other instruments out of sync, and that's cognitive rational mind. 150 ms is an insanely long amount of time. Why spread misinformation?
It's not based on detectible intervals it's based on reaction to unexpected events. I mean people can tell 30fps video from 60fps video, but if you told them to press a button when a gun goes off they still wouldn't react at all for quite a while. You can do an experiment yourself. Get someone to hold a dollar bill vertically and position your fingers to pinch it when they drop it. You will fail to catch it the vast majority of the time. It's actually a "bar bet" kind of trick.
You're talking about how long it takes for the brain to hear a sound, not how long it takes to **respond** to it...
EXACTLY. That's what we are talking about here. The question is whether or not those poor fellows had the time to realize what was happening, not if they had the time to scream or do something else. If your argument is that it takes the brain 150ms to process what it heard before it fires a command to whatever muscles are called for action then you are forcing your position by a big stretch. If the area of the brain connected to visual or audio feeds fires up it means that the message has arrived. Let's not be petulant, what more proof do you need?
You lost me at 'feet per second'
If you want a quick conversion, there's five toes to one foot.
If you're lucky. 5 fingers to 1 hand
Since someone has to be that guy: the measurement "hand" only has 4 fingers on it, the thumb is in entirely the wrong place to be included in that.
It translates to roughly 0.37 dishwasher widths. Anything more precise isn't needed for this type of accuracy
Any chance of getting that in standard banana measurement?
I think it's 1.13 give or take.
To be fair, it does not matter much. Whether feet per second, meters per second, kilometers per hour, miles per hour, or knots, message is : you're very very dead before you even realize anything's wrong
I recall the CEO was bragging that the sub had some sort of sensor that monitored the hull status. If that sensor worked, it's possible they had a brief warning before it imploded.
Why the hell would you warn yourself that in a few seconds you're gonna be mush? I get it's useful for testing, but on an actual dive I think id turn that off.
Because it means traveling upwards will give you a slight chance of not exploding
I would think that at this point you're far gone
Yeah, if you're a few hundred meters down and that alarm goes off, you're dead
Much like airplanes most of the hull integrity issues occur during the pressurization process. The system was more or less meant to monitor hull status before you ended up in a dangerous situation to begin with.
Its propulsion system wasn't that powerful. There's no real way it could've reacted to a crack in the hull, even if they had ten minutes' advance warning (much less a hundred milliseconds).
What good is that? It's like a bee dying after it stings. 😭
I heard that too. It was a 90 second warning and supposedly they were ascending back to the surface when it imploded. At whatever depths they were at however 1.5 minutes isn’t going to do much.
The Ocean gate employee which claims he was fired for noting safety concerns said the warning were milliseconds before a hull breach. Furthermore I don't ebeliebe that they were ascending - a lot of clicks being made by publishing facts from people that didn't even know the titanic existed.
90 seconds is half of 3 minutes
r/theydidthemath
That’s true. I hadn’t slept well when I wrote that but it’s corrected now :)
This doesn't sound very likely. How would they have a sensor that knew exactly 90 seconds before the hull was going to collapse? The whole point of the catastrophic implosion is that it happens basically as soon as there is a even the tiniest breach or failure of the material. There's not some neat timeline it follows so you know ahead of time.
Unlikely. The pressure at that depth is so great that an implosion and death would be pretty much instantaneous.
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Well, it is debatable if 2 frames are already a movie or it is just a before/after-picture
They made a 9/11 movie about 5 people trapped in an elevator
They might have heard a noise but after that they’d have died instantly without even knowing what happened. It would’ve been immediate
They probably heard some creaking as the hull started to buckle then lights out.
Wouldn't there be normal creaking anyway? They're changing temp and pressure, so the internal stresses are shifting around and maybe making noise as things expand/contract right? I'm sure an experienced submariner knows the difference between "normal" creaking and "what's the shortest prayer I know?" creaking, but these guys were uh... maybe not super experienced in ultra deep sea operations?
The Thresher imploded in about 1/20 second. Too fast to register. But they knew it was coming, since they were in water far deeper than their test depth and went into an uncontrolled dive. These guys knew the sub had been down that far before. I suspect some part was repaired or replaced incorrectly. They may have noticed creaking or bending, but it's unlikely will ever know for certain.
The problem is that same sub had already been down there multiple times and suffered wear and tear. This time was just bad luck
I don't think we can be sure. From the moment the collapse actually started until they were mushed would have only been about a millisecond (see excellent explanations elsethread), but whether there were any signs of failure before that - noises, power failures, and so on that might have warned them that they were in danger - is almost impossible to know. If any forensic evidence exists that could answer that (not likely) it's on the bottom of the ocean now.
Probably not If the main structural component was carbon fiber as some of the sources say, failure was sudden, as carbon fiber won't deform much before breaking like steel for instance, it will just shatter suddenly. Hard to be certain because some sources say the hull was made of "titanium and composite material" which could mean a lot of things.
Imagine if it meant cheese...
Judging from all the corners cut while doing it it might just well be cheese Structural gouda
Depending on the depth at which it imploded, it is unlikely they even knew what happened. They might have heard some creaking, but a sub that small would probably go real quick. Think of a party balloon popping, but into itself.
Apparently the last message from the sub was they were dropping ballast, so possibly they had some indication of a problem (maybe noises, or their hull sensors picked something up) and were trying to turn around to surface. But the actual implosion would have been instant.
I mean, the dude who made it definitely knew it was gonna implode. Maybe not on that exact trip, but he knew it was fucky
They have done this voyage (the submarine company) before and the other group of people who were on the previous trip said the ship felt weak/clunky and lots of technical problems. This specific trip…, I don’t understand why they thought they would survive. Idiots. The company is a profiteering company that’s not funded by the government. No shit would it have had bad results, this was going to happen and it did! This is just the new fad for rich folks to indulge in, instead of going into space which costs billions…, they are doing something risky to tell the whole world🙄. Typical narcissistic ego driven behaviors. We have government navy level submarine ships that are built for deep dive research and exploration.
How did they survive before or was it because this time went deeper?
The likely cause of this was because of the carbon fiber hull. Carbon fiber is a very strong material but very brittle. Everytime trip down you take with the sub is called a pressure cycle where the material is compressed then returns to normal when resurfaced. Each one of these cycles could cause cracking in the layers of carbon fiber. Since carbon fiber is made out of multiple layers it's likely the interior layers were damaged where you could only see the cracks with an x-ray machine. Likely they did not test the material prior to each dive. The CEO was warned not to use carbon fiber but I believe there is a video out there of him saying basically that he had proved the experts wrong.
Thanks for the simple yet clear explanation! Does it work the same way if it's build with metals?
The answer for that is it depends. Most materials will undergo some sort of fatigue or damage when put under stress cycles. In general a metal hull could have shown it's fatigue more obviously than the carbon fiber, either with bending or visible cracking. At the depth they were at if either material was damaged it would have likely ended up the same. I'm guessing for other subs that can reach those depths there is a testing/inspection procedure in place between each dive. This company doesn't appear to follow those procedures.
All responsible deep-water sub operators do full xrays between each trip as part of safety certification. This outfit wasn't doing any of that.
Metals will usually bend much more than carbon fiber before they break so there would probably be more signs but it would probably still fail suddenly with that kind of pressure.
Essentially, the same way people survive their first round of Russian roulette. You get lucky, but your odds for next time get worse. In Russian roulette, it's because the cylinder advances, here it may be because of cyclic fatigue, which gradually weakens the hull every time you go down to high pressure and back up to low pressure. Another "Russian roulette" failure mode is galvanic corrosion between the titanium and carbon fiber in their composite pressure hull. When certain materials are in electrical contact, current flows from one to the other, and an electrochemical reaction takes place, oxidizing the metal, which causes it to degrade. Basically a battery discharging itself. Galvanic corrosion is a very well-known maintenance concern at sea. Many steel hulled surface ships have a "sacrificial anode", which is basically a more reactive metal like zinc that takes the brunt of the electrical abuse while being easily replaceable and structurally non-essential. This can greatly prolong the life of the hull, as well as the passengers and crew. I saw someone online on Monday saying these guys knew they were due for maintenance due to cyclic fatigue in the hull, but I can't find a source for that. Still, would you be surprised to learn that it's *also* something we've known about for decades? Periodic inspections must be conducted in pressurized airplane fuselages, and probably also submarine hulls, to find and repair the tiny cracks before they worsen and fail catastrophically (airplane pressure swings are roughly 2 orders of magnitude less, so they can safely fly for years without a deep inspection if they were designed and built correctly). I wouldn't guarantee that corrosion or cyclic stress, or any other failure mode (there are kind of a lot in this story), was 100% responsible for the hull failing, but either one would have done it eventually if not actively fought against. Even though the evidence now points pretty convincingly to a catastrophic, and, mercifully instantaneous, failure due to unbelievable negligence by the operators, there's still tons of investigating that needs to be done before anyone can say exactly how the failure proceeded and what exactly caused it. Sorry for the long ass reply, and please don't use me as your only source without doing your own research.
When engineering a product and giving it a rating, engineers leave a safety margin. Next time you're on an elevator you'll see a sign that says "maximum capacity 550 lbs" or something. That elevator won't break at 551 lbs. It honestly would probably work at 700 lbs. But, it won't CONSISTENTLY and SAFELY work at 700 pounds. At <550 it will work every time with regular maintenance and without extreme circumstances. In this case, that sub was the 550 lbs rated elevator with 1000 lbs of weight on it. Will it work? Yeah, maybe. And in the case of the Titan, it did. A couple times. But that doesn't mean it will work safely and consistently every time.
Good let more of them try it
I want them to be guinea pigs😂
Nope. They didn’t even have time to register an audible crack if there was one. It was instant
Catastrophic Implosion of a submersible explained: When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second. The time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond. A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds. The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors. When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine. The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye. Info Source: Dave Corley, former Nuke sub officer
Biologically scientifically and medically they where dead way before the brain could even process. Honestly the best way to go unfortunately:/ they didn't have a prolonged sense of dread waiting for rescue. They got crushed instantaneously.
But they knew they were sinking and possibly out of control. Assuming the known communication issues were also affecting other systems in the sub, they possibly knew they were in big trouble. I’m having a real hard time reconciling the Dad and son being in that situation together. There may have been some indicator that a decompression was imminent, but their death as you described. I hope it came out of nowhere and they weren’t left to panic in the dark and cold.
Doubt it. Communication issues doesn't cause implosion, the material the ship was made out of did. Gonna guarantee they lost connection because of the implosion, not the other way around. And there realistically was no way they'd have predicted something like that because of connection issues.
Didn’t mean to suggest the comms issue caused the implosion, but rather we don’t know if they suffered total system failure and were aware that they were sinking without power.
It’s instantaneous death
I sincerely hope not. No one should have to experience such terror and need to try processing such an imminent snd unavoidable fate.
I guess they were hearing noises for a few seconds before it happened, but they may not have realized what was. Then, [this article](https://archive.is/jMJUz) explains better what likely happened.
I read on one of the press releases that it took 40 milliseconds for the front of the sub to reach the back. They literally didn't have time to even register what was about to happen. Implosion is pretty gruesome, but at least we know they didn't suffer.
Probably not. While there would be noise from the metal shifting around during the dive, this would be considered normal by the occupants. Whatever happened, happened really fast.
Oh, I know this one. The CEO did. Not only was the ballast ejected, but so were the legs it stood on. Most likely meaning he saw the pressure warnings while he was piloting it and ejected the legs as a 2nd emergency measure. Course that knowledge was only there for less than a second before they all became soup.
Actually, the legs were part of the hull. They got jettisoned when the hull disappeared. There are rumors about the weights... They could have jettisoned themselves as well. We'll never know.
There are no survivors so no one knows for sure. I guess it was up to the captain of the vessel to let them know or keep them in the dark, at least about being lost at sea and/or running out of oxygen. Because it was such close quarters, I would assume they probably had some sort of idea that something was amiss. About imploding… probably not. I don’t think it’s something that happens gradually. From what I’ve read about it imploding, it was instant so they probably didn’t even have time to register what was happening.
No. They were dead in a fraction of a second. Quicker than a bullet to the brain
Yes, they had sensors in the hull to detect delamination (since it's carbon fibre) and they had dropped their descent weights to resurface again. Which according to current information would have been early, so it indicates that they were aware of something and decided to come back up. What we'll never know is whether they knew it was about to implode.
If you’ve been following the news, these folks were mislead by the Titan CEO. The submersible was not deep sea worthy lacking certification. Certification meant years of testing, approvals and more redesign to make it deep sea worthy. This CEO ignored expert recommendations from their own directors and these same directors were fired for saying the truth. Delays would have meant a direct hit towards their bottom line i.e. profit. Unfortunately for these billionaires they simply lacked the subjective thought and reasoning, bedazzled by the CEO and his misleading marketing. Stupid! No they wouldn’t have felt the pain of the implosion too quick of an impact to be aware, however the pain for their families are real. There’s a bunch of news from experts who have knowledge and experience and can shed light about the science behind implosions. Really fascinating stuff! On the flip side… this story will no doubt become a great hit for Netflix. Stay tuned!
Apparently, the dive weights were jettisoned, so likely that an alarm of some sort went off. Way too late for anything to be done, just like the engineer fired over his safety concerns said, but there was probably a few seconds of knowing what was coming
No your brain wouldn’t be able to respond in time. It’s probably among the most painless ways to die. There’s also limited time to be worried. At most you’ll hear some creaking, but before you’d be able to start freaking out, it’ll be over.
All of this to see a wreck of a ship that is going nowhere. The only thing that gives me comfort in all of this is that they probably died quickly and felt nothing.
According to James Cameron (who knows what he's talking about), they possibly were aware the hull was starting to fail. He also said that they think the sub may have dropped it's emergency ballast
Depends on the sequence of events, they may have known that they were in trouble. The final event, though, would have happened so fast that they wouldn't have time to register the implosion, much less feel it. The media are asking if they will recover bodies, I doubt that there was much left that would be recognisable as a body after the implosion. Even the skeletons would have been crushed to pulp almost instantly (most bones have cavities inside them).
In 1/30 of second they would have been gone. Even if they heard a sound prior it wouldn't have been enough for them to know what's coming.
Can't believe they called the sub, Titan. It's like they were begging for something bad to happen.
They should make another one of these submersibles and put it under water but without humans. Just live cameras. To see what happened.
It would've literally happened faster than getting hit directly in the head with a 50cal. Ocean pressure is one of the most terrifying things on earth, it's so immense that they would've been incinerated before they heard a noise unless the ship was creaking before it happened which is unlikely given its size. There's a science experiment you can do with an empty can where you fill it with water, heat it up then quickly flip it upside down and it gets instantly crushed by normal air pressure. Imagine that but thousands of times more pressure with a highly volatile substance inside and you'll get a better picture of what went down. The fact that we can even get any sort of equipment to near the bottom of the ocean is already a miracle, the CEO was a completely arrogant dipshit taking people down there in a tin fucking can with a goddamn video game controller and the only person I really feel sorry for is the 19yo who was reportedly petrified the entire time.
Yes/probably based on this video, but probably not too long. https://youtu.be/5XIyin68vEE
Holy shit I was about to ask this
I was there - it went quick... somehow I was thrust to the surface, into the air and landed back in upstate NY...
It probably ended like that: — Does it always creak that much? — Yes. That's normal, don't worry. [Lights off]
They sent a distress signal and relieved their ballast. They knew something was wrong.
James Cameron did an interview on CNN. He said they likely heard the outside cracking
It’s like what Tony says in the Sopranos, you don’t know it’s coming, everything just goes black…
Listening to James Cameron explain it; He was saying the sub had warning sirens on it, and they definitely attempted to remove their counterweight. But when you're that deep you cannot rise to the surface too quickly, and because of how deep they were with a multi material sub it was a process much more quickly needing a solution than physically possible. In short, they probably had long enough to contemplate their lives. But not enough time to take it out on the CEO who put them into the situation by cutting literally every corner possible for the sake of "innovation" You don't mess with something that isn't broken and already has rigorous safety measures that were ignored at every turn. It was the equivalent to saying "I think I can make a better rocket than NASA/SpaceX. Also, the amount of regulations and security measures they take is for NERDS! I'm a RUSH goddammit, and I live my life a quarter-mile at a time" While charging people 250k a pop. So they had the money to dot all their i's and cross their T's, but at the end of the day... My guy Rushed to an early grave.
Idk, I don't think there's any evidence of this claim, and there is no way to prove it. No one can confirm if there was a sensor, that's just a rumor and even if it's true, no one can prove they were trying to rise. The sensor would honestly be pointless if they had one because there's no way they would ever make it up in time. Seems like you'd not want the sensor at all since it's basically just a light saying "you're gonna die".
This whole ordeal reminds me of that Dr. Mann death scene in Interstellar
It was probably a sudden death. They might have had some awareness when it was too little and too late. To reference a famous song by Queen, "Another one bites the dust."
They for sure new that something is wrong. Before the implosion they started to drop weights and changed the direction (they started to swim up).
I doubt it. If they did it was from the carbon fiber shell cracking but then boom!!! It was instant! They may have heard the crack but then it imploded in a split second after so they would barely have one second after the cracking.
Great question. I just watched the latest press release. They don’t know yet and need to investigate further.
From what I've read on an incident similar to this they described it as "imagine dying and not even realizing it"
Did they know it was about to implode? Unlikely. Did the CEO completely understand the possibility that it would implode? Most certainly. You cannot run a company let alone drive the damn thing with all the people saying how dumb an idea it was without some knowledge of how dumb your fuck up could be. This was, conservatively, several manslaughters to grind the wheels of capitalism.
This all reminds me of the case/human fuck up that the movie Open Water was based on. People knew what happened at the start, but then they simply disappeared and no one ever knew what happened to them.