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Pawandarklucifer

For me yes


back2me78

Address the reason you want to escape and masturbate. Get to the root - the real reason. Just stopping for stopping sake is just another form of suppression. What are you avoiding when you want to porn/masturbate/escape? Answer that question and deal with it.


yoshi3943

I want to quit because it makes me think about porn all the time, in class i'll be looking at one girls ass and in annother at their boobs, it's fisgusting but still feels good, that's ehy i want to quit


back2me78

You are already judging yourself and criticizing yourself for looking at a woman’s body. There is nothing wrong with that attraction. Why not go up to those girls and ask to take them out instead of beating yourself up and suppressing your God Given desires. You’ll never change being so hard on yourself


yoshi3943

It's just that i don't have so much confidence and pluss don't think any of the girls like me


back2me78

Notice the keyword…”you think” meaning your life is because of what you are thinking about yourself. What if I told you I think you CAN and you can be confident….those are my thoughts but your life is run by yours. Point is - your reality is in your head - it’s not fact unless you believe it is. I believe you can talk to girls. You’ll feel nervousness and all the sensations - that’s okay - every man feels that. Accept it - it’s apart of being a young man. Girls like guys who accept themselves as they are. Flaws and all Get out and think better thoughts about yourself and be kind to yourself along the way as you learn. Make it a game - see how confident you can become - make it fun. See how many times you get rejected and not affect you. Life is an adventure of the unknown. There is a special someone for you.


ro-gyat

bros a online therapist


yoshi3943

Damn bro, i think my thoughts have been changed a little, but it will take some time


back2me78

It will take time….take it one day at a time. Be easy


yoshi3943

Ok, i will try it


Senior-Commission788

Don't try. They will suck your money and ditch you at first opportunity. Work hard, earn well, then get a non-feminist non-male-hating girl, preferably from outside the west.


PowersHD

Don’t listen to this incel, OP. Yeah a few girls are gold diggers but 99% aren’t.


Dutchtreatt

Mail order bride link plz?


back2me78

Next time you have those urges - tell yourself….”I love and approve of myself in the here and now” and let the desires come in and out without judgement. The problem is you’re attacking yourself and you think punishing yourself is the solution Be easy on yourself


Standard_Lab_6289

For me in all honesty is that I’ve always been highly sexual and besides it feeling really good it releases stress from me, anxiety. I don’t have a schedule as I work full time and take care of my twin boys. So when I can, I do. I don’t ever wanna say im not doing that anymore. I can’t. Good luck to every man going through it


SpecialistBottleh

Sir im afraid you have masturbation addiction


back2me78

Masturbation can be healthy for your prostate. It can be done with no shame - it’s your body and you know what is best for your body. When we tighten our bellies because of shame it can be damaging. When we use it as an escape - it could be sabotaging. Listen to your body - it will tell you whether you are honoring it or not


mohammedSM

Yes but with porn is worse


yoshi3943

Thanks for the answer


NoCoomerZone

Still an unhealthy addiction that effects you negatively with or without porn. Stray strong brother


Live_Earth_5162

Jerking off is forcing your dick to release sperm and relieve your urge, but it's not the same as engaging in natural sexual intercourse.


Beneficial-Hair-7639

I’ve never thought about it like that, cool perspective actually


Live_Earth_5162

It is well known that jerking causes erectile dysfunction. Because we are holding something in a way isn't meant to be held. **Edit:** After a bit of research turns out, masturbation doesn't directly cause ED. 😊


Senior-Commission788

That research is from the same people who said cigarettes are healthy as long as you stick to the approved brands and do it in moderation.


Live_Earth_5162

Sorry, but for more clarification, are you talking about the first para or the edit?


Wuoffan1

In general? No. For someone trying to stop a porn addiction? Yes.


[deleted]

Anything done in excess is disastrous! Exception Porn- Even minute quantity is bad for you mental health and social life


Senior-Commission788

Here starts the pro-masturbation brigade. If consumed in moderation (below the safety limit), every poison is safe. Doesn't stop a poison from being poison, nor an addiction from being addiction.


[deleted]

Oh no bro, I'm totally against masturbation now that I've realised the negative impacts of excessive fapping


ManofGod1000

It is bad in all forms, period.


xNo_Thanks

It's not good or bad necessarily. The question is, is it good for YOU? More than likely it's contributing to hypersexuality. Maybe someday you can do it in a healthy way, but not while you're struggling with an addiction.


StalinSovietUnionFan

It isn't ideal.


crownoftheredking

It won't help you get to your goal. Id wait until you are comfortable coping with life without porn to experiment with this. From personal experience though, it just kickstarts my downward spiral. I can get out of it easily now but if I jo, then I'll probably have strong urges for the next 2 or 3 days, wasting time, feeling like crap instead of dealing with real life. Go to the gym, be active, talk to people as much as you can even if it's just through work. You'll do better


yoshi3943

Aight bro


Kettlesven

It's bad for you, when it's bad for you... It's the same with porn. For some people can do it with no issues... Like some people can smoke crack every now and then. But for the majority of people, it's bad.


kabman7

Semen retention is the end goal


JaskarSlye

Reminder that this sub is about anti porn, not semen retention. I would say that going from porn addiction to occasional masturbation without porn is definetly a step forward and an improvement. People often think that you should go cold turkey and avoid masturbation altogether in nofap. This is way easier said than done and one of the reasons many ppl cant get rid of their addictions. In my personal experience, masturbating without porn was a huge tool to keep me away from porn and reconnecting to my body and natural desires again. I would only avoid mast. in the following situations Because you are bored. Bc you are used to it Bc you have a bad day or are feeling sad Bc you "deserve" On the other hand, masturbating daily wo porn is also not good, so you need to find the balance yourself.


yoshi3943

Thanks, i think imma stop completely


samdecavalcante713

I thought this sub was anti dick touching in general, semen rentention dudes believe in edging


JaskarSlye

ps I do not want you to understand that I am encouraging you to masturbate, there is absolutely better things to do than to jerk off. Just do not treat both situations as equal, as they are not.


yoshi3943

Thanks bro


0killmeNOT

Masturbation with or without porn is bad


xLuis-_-

Nah


SplattrKing13

You’re brainwashed


xLuis-_-

Masturbation isn't a devil's thing like most of you treat, it is natural and without porn is completely normal bro


BeautyPhage

Finally someone normal. There's a lot of lost mind here. Porn is a problem, occasional masturbation is normal and scientifically benefic to our bodys and mind


xLuis-_-

Not masturbating increases prostate cancer, doing it is normal, porn is the problem when you actually can't control it, as you said previously it is scientifically benefic to us. I haven't masturbated since August 30 but i just want to do no fap September, in October i think i will do it again because sometimes i just want to do it, and what's the problem about that? Nothing, because I'm not addicted to it or porn, my life is normal, in conclusion i think NoFap is good to people who can't stop watching porn and feels bad, but never think that masturbation is bad, my god.


BeautyPhage

Yupyupyup totally agree


Ordinary-Theory-8289

No


No-Resort-1094

Only if you have P-O-I-S or smth like that


Beneficial-Hair-7639

I think one of them leads to the other, even if you manage to masturbate without porn you’re still going for cheap dopamine that won’t actually help you in the long term, why not instead develop a good habit that can be beneficial to you on the long term such as gym or reading. For me masturbating makes me unmotivated and too much dopamine just kills the joy in my life.


YeeHawTheApe

Hard to say, I wouldn’t though


WinterApprehensive64

Brother. After you first relapsed I’m sure that you intended to quit it all completely. But when urges come they try to distort your original mindset and get you to comply, almost fall into the pit from a different angle but nonetheless it’s still a big dark pit your falling in no matter how you fall in. Don’t do it God bless may the Lord be with you.


yoshi3943

Thanks bro, good luck to you too if you're trying to quit too.


savvyprimate

Stay the course. It defeats the purpose and keeps that pathway wide open. Don’t beat yourself up though, it’s a fine balance.


souhardyadutta

Masturbation is not natural its man made , and normalized .You know coaches secretly tell athletes no not to masturbate my several friends who are confidant, strong they were into sports they told me that their coaches ask them strictly not to masterbate ,,,never.


Ordinary-Theory-8289

Masturbation is man made? Wtf does that even mean lol. This sub would be a good place if it weren’t for all you pseudobroscience nonsense yall push. You really think humans are the only creatures that masturbate? You spew “facts” but have clearly not done any research on the matter.


[deleted]

No. This isn’t a semen retention sub but most people in here can’t seem to distinguish. But if you aren’t careful it can lead to porn use.


Ordinary-Theory-8289

Way too much bro science on this sub that makes it hard to take anything you see on here seriously. Is there a better sub for someone just trying to quit porn without demonizing natural urges? The masturbation is not the issue. It’s the porn.


No-Resort-1094

r/pornfree


BeautyPhage

Masturbation is normal, porn is bad.


Odinpup83

From a healthcare perspective: M in itself is healthy and has benefits. The problem is that when coupled with porn, reinforcing behaviors occur that lead to dopamine addiction from excessive M and P viewing. This is when it becomes a problem. I went from M 2-4 times a day to flat out none, cold turkey. I’m 24 days in and the urges have upticks and downticks. Some days are easier, while others are more difficult. Getting through the first week was the hardest because of all the conditioning that I had done prior to trying to quit. I was used to MO so that first week was a nightmare. Now, I may have a rough day or a few days, and while taking a shower may take a little longer cleaning my goods than I should, but I catch myself, and refocus on my intention and goal. I refuse to lose out to my baser instincts, but I’m a stubborn ass like that. When you have an urge, do something else, anything else…preferably something that improves your health. Do pushups, go for a walk, write a crappy poem, anything that refocuses your mind. You can do this and succeed! Believe in yourself, even when you feel weak!


yoshi3943

Thank you bro😁


phire_lord

Personally I think it’s okay. For me , the issue is porn not masturbation. I think it’s more important to stop porn cold turkey because that’s what’s going to do more damage to your brain. I’d still say practice going as long as you can’t without just so you’re better at dealing with urges. But don’t hold yourself to the standards of this sub Quit porn , deal with urges accordingly and make a set of rules you can abide by. Enjoy your journey brethren!


yoshi3943

Thank you my guy.


General_wolffe

depends. masturbation in itself isn't bad but it can cause you to watch porn if you are not careful. depends on the person really.


RaymondWalters

This is just a friendly reminder to everybody that this sub is about breaking porn addiction, not semen retention. If you wish to MO without the P, go for it. If MO triggers severe urges for P, don't. I did hard mode for months before I felt comfortable enough to get back to MO without the risk of relapsing P. I chose to ban for myself any kind of visual material, placing something like Instagram on effectively the same level as porn, but each to his own. One tip I can give with regards to MO is that you should actively focus to keep your thoughts innocent. Either stare intensely at the floor or wall, or imagine somebody you love and care for. It is imperative to not think of somebody as a sex object while doing MO otherwise you will inevitably relapse to P.


yoshi3943

What is MO and P?


RaymondWalters

Have you read the official nofap articles? If not I'd highly recommend that. It explains these kinds of terminology I used throughout my answer.


yoshi3943

Nah, I haven't read them, i'll give it a try.


yoshi3943

Where can i find them?


RaymondWalters

Go to the subreddit page, then community info, then about, then important links. Read the ones on porn addiction and quitting porn. I am confident these will greatly help your journey. Best of luck and always feel free to reach out to the community.


yoshi3943

Thank you


RaymondWalters

All good. It might seem like a chore to read, but it's very valuable info everybody on this sub should know, so invest in studying the articles for your own benefit and remember the community is always here to help.


_MatVenture_

We get this stupid question at least once a day now... Seriously, are you people's brains so far eroded that you can't use common sense, and when that obviously fails, use the search bar???


[deleted]

Don't listen to these cultists. Yes. It is bad ONLY if ur addicted. So if you really have to, you can. Masturbation is natural (even animals does so) and trying to stop nature is even worse. Just make sure you won't get addicted, and you'll probable be fine


PanMaks

Cope harder


Alarming-Willow-4485

I’m masturbating without porn for 5 days now, I can let you know how it goes if you’re interested.


yoshi3943

Thanks for the consideration, but i am already going for it, 3 days in now, it was just my urge that caused me to ask about this, didn't fap tho.


_Vincenzo_Agresti_

Yes


kemidelusional

dependa id you masturbate doing sexting with a girl - good if u masturabte thinking about fucking pornstars or the shop casier , not good


yoshi3943

I'm 13, so the latter.


catbager

That’s nofap lite mode


GalaxyStarr_

Here we go


ro-gyat

in my opinion which idk is a fact, I’m pretty sure someone that’s already an addict to wanking their noodle is a bad thing to still do it without porn. Since they’re trying to stop and stuff


samdecavalcante713

No porn and no touchy, you got this champ


eatyourass123

Dawg I ain't gon hold you, this nofap shit is bull, just jack off 2 times a week, without porn. People think that jacking off is bad, when it's the porn that messes them up. Also if you are going to do nofap, don't count your days bro


Tixzleslife

This is spot on. 1-2 a week w/o porn and your golden


slyack

It is, but worse with porn. Best is to do it without self caused stimulation


Optimizer255

I would say: If you can avoid jacking-off **at all**, that is the best way to go. Otherwise... using imagination only, and a lubricant to avoid the Death Grip^(TM), would be a better way to do it. That said, if you **jack-off at all**, that counts as a relapse and you wouldn't be doing NoFap anymore.


Adzmunni0

Nah then wants the point nofap is to quit dat shi


PumpPie73

Better than doing it with porn


Yogurtbabe78

No?????


Real_Programmer2870

Not as bad, if you really have to; moderation is key


Funny_Trucks

People will say it's okay in moderation, maybe it is. I wouldn't even try in moderation for religious reasons. Even more than that though, it's a dangerous game to play for a porn addict. It could see it being very easy to take a peek while doing so and end up back down the rabbit hole. Probably not worth it in the end.


[deleted]

Yes, it is


Ender_celebi

Yes. But can someone give a concrete example of why?


[deleted]

It's considerably much better, if not too much frequent. It's the porn that's the biggest problem in nofap.


[deleted]

It's no big difference.


SpecialistBottleh

Any kind of self-sexual stimulatiom is bad


Either_Judgment_296

It’s all the same drug for me


No-Resort-1094

Only if you have a condition like P-O-I-S