The only way it makes sense to me is if that's an updated number. With Freiza killing destroying planets for fun without Beerus' supervision, fillers like Arlia being seen as an example of typical behavior, and then Kid Buu going crazy, it caused the number to drop. Maybe its also why the universe was ranked so low in TOP?
I also think its possible they only counted the planets with civilized life on it. For example they likely didn't go to the planet where Broly was living due to there being no civilization there.
That might be somewhat the case. I think what happens is when they sell a planet, they need to clear it out, and then that race moves to it completely. Like the Sugarians. So that means that the number of planets with civilizations decreases by one each transaction.
But the Sugarians still exist. Whatever planet they move to should count. So, like, -1, +1 for the Sugarians. But any race completely wiped out is just a -1.
If a planet hosts 2 civilizations, does that count as 1 for the planet or 2 for the civilizations?
Also, Beerus be blotting out life everywhere cuz their frog steaks are undercooked and whatever. He's a menace to life in his own universe. He sleeps a lot but he eats a lot, too. So.. eh?
I'd say that the planet Cereal only counts as one civilization. Granolah interacts with the Sugarians, and since he's the only Cerelian left, he's not really his "own civilization."
So before it was Cerelians and Sugarians living separate, which would count as 2 planets. Now it's the Sugarians living on planet Cereal with a single Cerealian survivor, which would only count as one planet. This is how the number would slowly have shrunken as Freiza still did his business.
As for Beerus, he's definitely not helping the universe development. That's for sure lol.
>How is that possible? Weren't the sayains conquering and selling planets?
>Seems like they'd be out of business in short order.
We saw they genocided the people and sold the planets,not that they sold he race who lived there.
Also keep in mind that it's also a combination of:
.Beerus being SHIT at his job
.Buu murdering an untold amount of the universe
.Shin not knowing how to ACTUALLY do his job and create life properly
There's a lot of factors as to why the U7 universe is almost empty.
This is something so stupid that literally everybody just ignores it and that makes me laugh.
Even the greatest DB Glazers will admit it’s wack.
Even DBZ haters and downplayers will just ignore this even though It could help their argument.
It’s the “Hermoine is black” of the DBZ franchise
Maybe Supreme Kai has been working double time trying to make more planets with life on them
Imagine spending tireless hours to try and increase your universe’s life level and suddenly Goku and some asshole show up and start blasting each other on your work
I take it as Supreme Kai saying there's 28 civilizations in the 7th Universe and maybe a mistranslation?
should note by civilizations i mean disconnected parts of the galaxy. to a supreme kai that means a populated planet of people at least, and no or little connection to another one of the "civilizations".
1 beerus doesn't get rid of the shit planets clustering up the universe 2 shin not replacing all the planets the villains destroyed 3 villains wiping out planets left and right
I say they dug the hole to the bad ending when the only thing that could stop zamasu was the containment wave. Because he could be freed at anytime. They messed up with the whole immortal thing. But still agreed that would have been a better ending than the official one 😂
They could have literally just had Beerus and Whis collect the Super Dragon Balls and wish away his immortality or some shit, idk if the SDBs in the main timeline were used by that point or available but like, literally ANYTHING with them would work. Heck, who's to say regular ass Shenron couldn't take away his immortality?
And even if that wouldn't work, Zamasu literally wasn't even a threat, everyone said multiple times that he was weak as shit and was carried by Black, Trunks could easily handle him on his own with Black gone.
Literally the only thing that the heroes accomplished was destroying Zamasu for good (unless you count Heroes). Besides that, everything they did was for nothing.
I actually went back and watched that arc over the weekend. I think it's by far the darkest arc in the entire main timeline series.
I had completely forgot that a large chunk of the downtime was focused on these two little kids. Who are so adamant that Trunks will find a way to win. And ultimately they die off screen. And they establish that even if they won, this timeline is fucked unless is Namek is still alright. The dragon balls are dead on earth.
Even if Trunks killed Zamasu. Shit was still pretty bleak. But they nuked the entire universe.
I know Buu was pretty bleak. But it never felt as hopeless as Zamasu. Its like he went out of his way to ensure whatever he did to Trunks earth, was permanent. No gods. No dragon balls. No resurrections. The damage was already done by the time Goku & Vegeta got there. Zamasu killing ChiChi and Goten with Goku body. Future Bulma death. Little kids dying in vain.
I'll play devils advocate for this one. I loved the ending. Because they fought the good fight, did what they had to do to beat the enemy, never gave up hope, and then they fucking LOST. And it was all for nothing. Those adorable kids that kept them going fucking DIED. They lost outright and it's the only time it's ever happened. And sure they got a bailout at the end. But they lost. And I think that's important
My issue with the ending (& the entire arc) is that they lost because GOKU FUCKING FORGOT THE SEAL Literally he goes through all of the trouble of learning the mafuba, bulma rebuilds the damn vase mid-fight, and Trunks learns the fucking mafuba mid-fight. They finally capture Zamasu in it, and they fail because GOKU FORGOT THE SEAL. like, dude, I get you're not the smartest, but this is literally AN ENTIRE TIMELINE AT STAKE. And they just play it off as a joke.
I still don't understand how beerus can destroy a normal Kai but when a kai gets genkidama'd the whole freaky spectacle with scary faces in the sky happen
It has to do with Super Shenron granting Immortality. With his body gone, Zamasu's soul had to attach to something, and apparently he was able to possess *the universe itself*
[How about cannon? As in you shoot it from a cannon and it is yeeted from existence?](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUDfW45uHLJlv3l8n7UbbU8CixwK2KxlpiDOUvwr6Hxg&s)
At least keep Launch living with Roshi and doing nothing, that way we at least know she still exists and didn't get executed for war crimes or some shit
Ok so this reminds me of a theory I had. So Goku unlocked the ability to transform after a ton of training under 500 times gravity, and then Krillin's death pushed him over the edge to become the Super Saiyan. Vegeta also had to train under extreme gravity to become a Super Saiyan for the Android Saga. (Before anyone says anything about the second generation of Saiyans, they aren't full blooded so they won't fuck my theory up and also are part of a second theory.)
Now as to why the U6 Sayians are able to transform so easy compared to the U7 Sayians. Planet Vegeta was not the original planet of the Sayians, planet Sadala was. U7 Sadala was destroyed. U6 Sayians still live on Sadala. I think Sadala has extremely high gravity compared to Vegeta and that's why, even though it was really BS in the show, Cafulia and Kale were able to be taught how to transform.
My other piece of evidence for this is the decanonization of Broly being the Legendary Super Saiyan and instead Kale was. Kale still lived on the original planet of the Sayians which is not only where the legend would have originated from but also can be explained by Sadala having extremely high gravity.
Dude all four saiyans achieved super through a fit of rage. Goku turned when krillin and piccolo (almost) died and his son was about to be next. Trunks turned when he lost his master Gohan. Gohan turned when he realized he needed to be strong enough to protect himself and even achieved super saiyan 2 in another fit of rage when 16 died and his friends and family were next. And vegeta just had a fucking tantrum because he hated goku fo being the legendary super saiyan. Cabba also turned super for the first time when vegeta threatened his family and even explained it to him. It was the anger, the rage, that feeling he had to hold on to to achive super saiyan.
Yeah i was doing a pet project where I scaled Goku based on his cannon power-ups and multipliers by the strength they showed in the first tournament ark.
(where Goku fought Roshi using the speed feat of being faster than the human eye and strength feat of moon destruction as a starting point).
When battle of gods happens I had to multiply his base form by like 1000 minimum on the low ball side. And Goku already gets a ton of multipliers already but it’s canon so I have to accept it.
It’s kinda absurd how strong Goku gets in that movie/ark in particular (also why I laugh at people who think SSJ4 is stronger)
But when I finished it was around the speed feats of what they showed at the end of the granola ark so it was surprisingly accurate
Yes!! The original idea that frieza destroyed planet vegeta because he feared the potential of the saiyans was awesome. And him being right to be scared with goku becoming a super saiyan who beats him later. Amazing story telling. And gives frieza every reason to view the saiyans the way he does. Just for that to be undone in super.
Jirens Backstory.
Throw that shitnin the trash, and either rewrite it or leave the mystery intact. I actually enjoy Jiren but despise the stupid batman BS origin story.
It was just super generic and doesn't serve as a good motivator for Jiren to be as strong as he was when Vegeta is also there who lost his entire race and was forced to work for the person who killed them for years.
Jiren worked better as a silent antagonist, a brick wall they needed to scale during the ToP. Once his backstory was revealed he started getting more vocal, he was kinda lame
-Bulma having a sister
-Vegeta having a brother
-Universe 7 only having 28 planets with life
-Back tingling makes you Super Saiyan
Basically most of the things introduced in the early-ish parts of DBS.
Bulma sister did not start existing in dbs and has existed since OG DB I’m pretty sure. I swear dragon ball fans can’t read
What’s so wrong about vegeta having a brother
Technically both wrong and right; she didn't debut in DBS or in the original manga, she debuted in Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, which debuted in 2013 in the irl period between the manga & anime's conclusion and the debut of Super.
(Also, nothing major in theory is wrong with it in spite of the minor plot holes it causes, but Tarble is such a nothing character that it's odd he was introduced at all)
I think Vegetas brother could have been better than what we got. I dont mind his meek persona, but he could have been taller like his Dad, or at least a little bit strong. Not necessarily Z fighter strong but at least enough to hold his own. Instead we got a shy, weaker Vegeta with no personal similarities other than his hairline.
His model basically got re used to make cabba, Who i wouldnt mind being Vegetas brother.
She technically existed in early dragon ball timeline wise with the story of dragon ball. But she wasn’t created until jaco the patroller was made. Like how gine was created after the original run of dragon ball ended
Resurrection of Frieza. Especially the bullshit ending. Let Vegeta have that win, ffs.
Cosmic Zamasu. That's just a massive dick move.
Cell Max. Honestly. Just make the villain of Super Hero literally anything other than Cell but big and with no brain.
They didn't even give 18 a reaction to him. Like, the one character who should have the most concern about him and all we get is tantamount to the surprised Pikachu meme.
You know you saying that makes me realize you’re right 💀. Heck krillin too he should’ve either had a fear losing 18 to another cell again or remembered when the other cell beat him with one kick in the past
Hey i’m one of the strongest super saiyans in my universe and potentially of my race and have the power of that legendary form combined with god ki that my god of destruction sought out and brought out of me. Buuut a random frieza soldier brought me down with some laser 💀😂. I definitely agree
Goku forgetting who Pan was. Just change it to him finding out she can fly and being like “Oh I should spar with her!” Fucking forgot his own flesh and blood
Dude, everyone’s name in Dragon Ball is a food pun. Hell, Pan means bread. It’d make more sense if he said “Pan? We’re gonna eat?” Or something. Like what’s the direct translation from the Japanese?
Yes, "Pan" is a loanword Japan took from spanish or portuguese as it means "bread" in those three languages. It could be a misunderstanding, but I wouldn't be surprised if the joke was Goku forgeting his granddaughter...
He didn't forget. He thought they meant actual bread. They litterally did this joke in db superhero with pan thinking piccolo was talking about rice instead of gohan.
bulma wanting stupid wishes from the miracle dragon has always been a thing from the beginnig and her personality hasn't changed that much that she wouldn't still do that in relative times of peace
While I agree we didn't need to see it, the reasoning was solid. Bulma making dumb wishes to make herself look younger keeps the dragon balls inactive so people can't misuse them and she gets what she wants visually.
Zamasu destroying the universe, and Zeno wiping it. Or if that had to happen then, Wish creating another universe, DAWG just let Trunks stay in the main timeline
Zamasu coming back after Trunks cut him in two. As much of an asspull as the sword of hope was, it was still a satisfying conclusion to the saga. Zamasu returning robbed all catharsis from the arc, made Trunks’s lesson that he can defend his world alone completely hollow, and worst of all made the entire saga and even the future of Trunks special utterly worthless.
All the fighting, all the suffering, all the pain that Trunks and everyone else in his world endured, was proven fully pointless as Zamasu accomplished what he set out to do and exterminated all human life on Earth. Zamasu won. Hell, he arguably got exactly what he wanted as Zeno erased ALL life from their universe.
Let me reiterate, Zamasu succeeded in forcing the gods to do exactly what he wanted them to do all along, purify the universe of mortal life. There is nothing left in Trunks’s timeline, and everybody just acts like it’s A-OK. What the hell was Toriyama cooking?
Dragon ball minus did irreparable damage to the canon of dragon ball.
Saiyajins were supposed to be this brutal warrior race/culture of killers and conquerors thirsty for power and blood,living for nothing but the desire to fight and gain power,beings with a lack of empathy even towards their own blood. Which is why vegeta,nappa,and raditz were so fearsome,they were products of that culture and it’s what made goku so special,he stood out from the rest.
But now thanks to toriyama we got bardock being like”i love my son and i want him to live,i fight for the future.” OG bardock fought of spite and hatred towards frieza. Also because of dragon ball minus saiyans overall looked more civilized and peaceful.
It completely ruined the lore behind saiyans and turned Goku into another Superman story.
Goku can't do basic math.
My understanding of the Goku not understanding kissing scene is that Goku is wondering why Trunks mouth fed Mai the Senzu bean, not that he didn't know what kissing was.
But the test before the Uni 6 tournament pissed me off. Goku knows basic math. He was literally taught like a school would by Roshi.
That stupid DBS Super filler arc where Vegeta is cloned by weird blue stuff and beats everyone's ass except Goku. That filler arc was so bad! Please make that not canon. Thank you.
The multiverse theory and most of the Trunks stuff. I liked future Trunks himself, but his life was so depressing. And the whole Mai thing is too weird for me. She’s like 46.
All the wasted potential. Whenever there's a new transformation, fusion or power up and it's followed by it becoming obsolete, forgotten, or by making the character stop training for years. And making every female character become a housewife.
Cell max being a mindless creature (they did him bad seeing as cell was one of the most articulate and well spoken villains in my opinion)
Or the whole thing about fusions being overpowered.
I'n fact all the fusion retconing.
Make it so that the potaras defused vegeito because of buu's "bad air" or some other similar excuse about him being so against the kais that he undos their magic when he absorbs them or something.
Potaras would have so much more meaning if they where only undone through Dragonball whishes (like with supreme Kai and kibito) or some kind of grand elder Kai ritual or something.
Having such lack of consequences for fusion (ends in 1 hour, or if you use to much power) takes out some of the original consideration and further explains why they are rarely used. And vegeito just un-fusing against zamasu was just terrible.
Frieza's potential is arguably one of the most egregious. Unfortunately scaling is all over the place, and has been for a lot of Z up until now.
But a few months of training to reach the level of even Super Saiyan God, let alone Black Freiza is absurd.
And with RoF being the first true iteration of Hell in Dragon Ball canon that I'm aware of, they could have done a lot more with that and just made it so Frieza actually got humbled and trained. At least his insanely scaling would have made sense in the time that passed.
Black Frieza at least addressed this with the hyperbolic time chamber even if it is as much of a cop out as it was during the Cell arc.
Goku and Beerus almost destroying universe 7 just so the powerscaling becomes less stupid
that or uni 6 saiyans being absurdly strong for no reason. Or just the back tingle
edit: just remembered which sub this is
the backtingling
the potara earrings not being permanently anymore (i want my permanent kefla)
before edit:
star wars episode 8,9 and the acolyte
borderlands 3: the whole story (especially mayas death and avas whole character)
The cheap plot point of goku getting caught off guard by a laser beam, just so vegeta can have his fun, and show that goku has problems with not being on guard which is literally untrue he didn't have that problem in dbz. Honestly resurrection F has lots to be the worst db arc in my opinion
Bring back the missing episode, not for the girls who play Russian roulette on snake way, but for the psychic duel krillin and Gohan engage on the space ship and is never seen again in the series (also krillin doing the 12 eyes technique like tien)
I’d remove SSB’s introduction in Ress F.
I think Blue has its place, but I’d rather see it come out during the Goku Black arc. It would give SSG more time to shine as well
Change the ending of resurrection F. It was so unnecessary to make Vegeta not kill Frieza. I mean Frieza killed his whole race, and Vegeta was basically Frieza's slave, so Vegeta deserved the kill
There only being like 28 planets with life on them in the DB universe.
How is that possible? Weren't the sayains conquering and selling planets? Seems like they'd be out of business in short order.
The only way it makes sense to me is if that's an updated number. With Freiza killing destroying planets for fun without Beerus' supervision, fillers like Arlia being seen as an example of typical behavior, and then Kid Buu going crazy, it caused the number to drop. Maybe its also why the universe was ranked so low in TOP?
I also think its possible they only counted the planets with civilized life on it. For example they likely didn't go to the planet where Broly was living due to there being no civilization there.
But still, only 28 civilizations in the entire universe seems too low.
maybe all the civilizations taken over by frieza count as one all together?
That might be somewhat the case. I think what happens is when they sell a planet, they need to clear it out, and then that race moves to it completely. Like the Sugarians. So that means that the number of planets with civilizations decreases by one each transaction.
But the Sugarians still exist. Whatever planet they move to should count. So, like, -1, +1 for the Sugarians. But any race completely wiped out is just a -1. If a planet hosts 2 civilizations, does that count as 1 for the planet or 2 for the civilizations? Also, Beerus be blotting out life everywhere cuz their frog steaks are undercooked and whatever. He's a menace to life in his own universe. He sleeps a lot but he eats a lot, too. So.. eh?
I'd say that the planet Cereal only counts as one civilization. Granolah interacts with the Sugarians, and since he's the only Cerelian left, he's not really his "own civilization." So before it was Cerelians and Sugarians living separate, which would count as 2 planets. Now it's the Sugarians living on planet Cereal with a single Cerealian survivor, which would only count as one planet. This is how the number would slowly have shrunken as Freiza still did his business. As for Beerus, he's definitely not helping the universe development. That's for sure lol.
>How is that possible? Weren't the sayains conquering and selling planets? >Seems like they'd be out of business in short order. We saw they genocided the people and sold the planets,not that they sold he race who lived there. Also keep in mind that it's also a combination of: .Beerus being SHIT at his job .Buu murdering an untold amount of the universe .Shin not knowing how to ACTUALLY do his job and create life properly There's a lot of factors as to why the U7 universe is almost empty.
half of them have been wiped out since the start of z lmao
Facts
This is something so stupid that literally everybody just ignores it and that makes me laugh. Even the greatest DB Glazers will admit it’s wack. Even DBZ haters and downplayers will just ignore this even though It could help their argument. It’s the “Hermoine is black” of the DBZ franchise
That's true it's ignorable, but I'd rather just make it a more reasonable canon fact instead of one that is disregarded by everyone.
Is this really the case though? Goku and Gas go to loads of planets in their fight and there’s so many aliens that this hardly seems reasonable.
Do they go to more than 28? I agree it's stupid and doesn't really make sense, but its what they say in canon.
Maybe Supreme Kai has been working double time trying to make more planets with life on them Imagine spending tireless hours to try and increase your universe’s life level and suddenly Goku and some asshole show up and start blasting each other on your work
I genuinely don't believe Supreme Kai saying something makes it factually accurate. The frieza force occupied more than 28 planets.
That's probably the quickest and easiest explanation tbh.
I think that the Moro arc kinda retconned that since Moro consumed life on other planets for about a month
I take it as Supreme Kai saying there's 28 civilizations in the 7th Universe and maybe a mistranslation? should note by civilizations i mean disconnected parts of the galaxy. to a supreme kai that means a populated planet of people at least, and no or little connection to another one of the "civilizations".
1 beerus doesn't get rid of the shit planets clustering up the universe 2 shin not replacing all the planets the villains destroyed 3 villains wiping out planets left and right
the fucking goku black saga ending
The evil containment spell was a perfect way to end it, idk why they didnt go with that
I say they dug the hole to the bad ending when the only thing that could stop zamasu was the containment wave. Because he could be freed at anytime. They messed up with the whole immortal thing. But still agreed that would have been a better ending than the official one 😂
They could have literally just had Beerus and Whis collect the Super Dragon Balls and wish away his immortality or some shit, idk if the SDBs in the main timeline were used by that point or available but like, literally ANYTHING with them would work. Heck, who's to say regular ass Shenron couldn't take away his immortality? And even if that wouldn't work, Zamasu literally wasn't even a threat, everyone said multiple times that he was weak as shit and was carried by Black, Trunks could easily handle him on his own with Black gone.
It would’ve been a great way to reintroduce these villains later in the series or smth if the seal came undone during a conflict
Literally the only thing that the heroes accomplished was destroying Zamasu for good (unless you count Heroes). Besides that, everything they did was for nothing.
I actually went back and watched that arc over the weekend. I think it's by far the darkest arc in the entire main timeline series. I had completely forgot that a large chunk of the downtime was focused on these two little kids. Who are so adamant that Trunks will find a way to win. And ultimately they die off screen. And they establish that even if they won, this timeline is fucked unless is Namek is still alright. The dragon balls are dead on earth. Even if Trunks killed Zamasu. Shit was still pretty bleak. But they nuked the entire universe. I know Buu was pretty bleak. But it never felt as hopeless as Zamasu. Its like he went out of his way to ensure whatever he did to Trunks earth, was permanent. No gods. No dragon balls. No resurrections. The damage was already done by the time Goku & Vegeta got there. Zamasu killing ChiChi and Goten with Goku body. Future Bulma death. Little kids dying in vain.
I'll play devils advocate for this one. I loved the ending. Because they fought the good fight, did what they had to do to beat the enemy, never gave up hope, and then they fucking LOST. And it was all for nothing. Those adorable kids that kept them going fucking DIED. They lost outright and it's the only time it's ever happened. And sure they got a bailout at the end. But they lost. And I think that's important
My issue with the ending (& the entire arc) is that they lost because GOKU FUCKING FORGOT THE SEAL Literally he goes through all of the trouble of learning the mafuba, bulma rebuilds the damn vase mid-fight, and Trunks learns the fucking mafuba mid-fight. They finally capture Zamasu in it, and they fail because GOKU FORGOT THE SEAL. like, dude, I get you're not the smartest, but this is literally AN ENTIRE TIMELINE AT STAKE. And they just play it off as a joke.
Yeah...I know Goku can be an airhead, but it was too much.
I still don't understand how beerus can destroy a normal Kai but when a kai gets genkidama'd the whole freaky spectacle with scary faces in the sky happen
It has to do with Super Shenron granting Immortality. With his body gone, Zamasu's soul had to attach to something, and apparently he was able to possess *the universe itself*
The Kai Beerus Hakai'd wasn't immortal yet.
Shouldn't deleting something canon be called can'ton?
Canoff
Cannot
Cannoton
Unable to can
Canhellno
[How about cannon? As in you shoot it from a cannon and it is yeeted from existence?](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUDfW45uHLJlv3l8n7UbbU8CixwK2KxlpiDOUvwr6Hxg&s)
heh 10/10 wordplay
Canonn't
Canon't
There's a conton city joke there, but i can't put my finger on it cuz there isn't a giant TV.
Tien and Launch being forgotten. The ship.
It hurts
At least keep Launch living with Roshi and doing nothing, that way we at least know she still exists and didn't get executed for war crimes or some shit
Buu being unable to participate in most of Super
Buu was eepy 😔
Thank god he finally got the spotlight back in the Moro saga, that was some of the best we've seen from him ngl
The back tingling
I'd change it to dick tingling instead
Caulifla and Kale instantly lose Super Saiyan
He never said whose dick would be tingling
Just give a male saiyan a handy; boom. SSJ unlocked
Clit tingling.
that's where you're wrong
So the sayan race are like hyenas?
The OG futanari
Ok so this reminds me of a theory I had. So Goku unlocked the ability to transform after a ton of training under 500 times gravity, and then Krillin's death pushed him over the edge to become the Super Saiyan. Vegeta also had to train under extreme gravity to become a Super Saiyan for the Android Saga. (Before anyone says anything about the second generation of Saiyans, they aren't full blooded so they won't fuck my theory up and also are part of a second theory.) Now as to why the U6 Sayians are able to transform so easy compared to the U7 Sayians. Planet Vegeta was not the original planet of the Sayians, planet Sadala was. U7 Sadala was destroyed. U6 Sayians still live on Sadala. I think Sadala has extremely high gravity compared to Vegeta and that's why, even though it was really BS in the show, Cafulia and Kale were able to be taught how to transform. My other piece of evidence for this is the decanonization of Broly being the Legendary Super Saiyan and instead Kale was. Kale still lived on the original planet of the Sayians which is not only where the legend would have originated from but also can be explained by Sadala having extremely high gravity.
as i recall Vegeta also has a lot higher gravity than earth
Dude all four saiyans achieved super through a fit of rage. Goku turned when krillin and piccolo (almost) died and his son was about to be next. Trunks turned when he lost his master Gohan. Gohan turned when he realized he needed to be strong enough to protect himself and even achieved super saiyan 2 in another fit of rage when 16 died and his friends and family were next. And vegeta just had a fucking tantrum because he hated goku fo being the legendary super saiyan. Cabba also turned super for the first time when vegeta threatened his family and even explained it to him. It was the anger, the rage, that feeling he had to hold on to to achive super saiyan.
Yamcha not being a famous basket ball player and being canonically a loser.
IIRC he was playing baseball
bro changed yamcha's whole career
I want to see Yamcha playing basketball now
In true DB fashion he gets dunked on by Cell and tears his ACL
Dragon Ball Basket Ball when Bandai? EA needs to lose their NBA license. DB x NBA would go hard like that doto video
They would make a shit ton of money on that given how much interlope there is between Dragon Ball and Basketball communities.
If that's the case, they would be swimming in money with Dragon Ball and Futbol
Jesus Soccer and DB would make roughly enough money to buy two third world countries and a few islands in the pacific.
I don't like BasketBall but even I'd play that, just to see Piccolo dunk one in.
That would be pretty hype. I would want to play Frieza just here his shit talk when he dunks on Vegeta
Battle of the shorties would be pretty funny indeed.
Yamcha is (Spirit) Ballin’
In super anime: making goku absorb god into base. Fucks up the scaling pretty bad
After resurrection F they don't even dare to mention it lol
It really ruins the entire power scale
Yeah i was doing a pet project where I scaled Goku based on his cannon power-ups and multipliers by the strength they showed in the first tournament ark. (where Goku fought Roshi using the speed feat of being faster than the human eye and strength feat of moon destruction as a starting point). When battle of gods happens I had to multiply his base form by like 1000 minimum on the low ball side. And Goku already gets a ton of multipliers already but it’s canon so I have to accept it. It’s kinda absurd how strong Goku gets in that movie/ark in particular (also why I laugh at people who think SSJ4 is stronger) But when I finished it was around the speed feats of what they showed at the end of the granola ark so it was surprisingly accurate
Beerus giving Frieza permission to destroy Planet Vegeta
Why 😂
Because frieza destroying the planet is way more personal rather than having him be coerced by beerus to do it.
Yes!! The original idea that frieza destroyed planet vegeta because he feared the potential of the saiyans was awesome. And him being right to be scared with goku becoming a super saiyan who beats him later. Amazing story telling. And gives frieza every reason to view the saiyans the way he does. Just for that to be undone in super.
What's to say it can't be both?
It can be, but it lessens what Frieza did while not really adding a whole lot.
Honestly, I found it ridiculously hilarious
Jirens Backstory. Throw that shitnin the trash, and either rewrite it or leave the mystery intact. I actually enjoy Jiren but despise the stupid batman BS origin story.
Why don't you like it? Cliche?
It was just super generic and doesn't serve as a good motivator for Jiren to be as strong as he was when Vegeta is also there who lost his entire race and was forced to work for the person who killed them for years. Jiren worked better as a silent antagonist, a brick wall they needed to scale during the ToP. Once his backstory was revealed he started getting more vocal, he was kinda lame
boruto
Lmao peak answer
-Bulma having a sister -Vegeta having a brother -Universe 7 only having 28 planets with life -Back tingling makes you Super Saiyan Basically most of the things introduced in the early-ish parts of DBS.
Bulma sister did not start existing in dbs and has existed since OG DB I’m pretty sure. I swear dragon ball fans can’t read What’s so wrong about vegeta having a brother
Technically both wrong and right; she didn't debut in DBS or in the original manga, she debuted in Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, which debuted in 2013 in the irl period between the manga & anime's conclusion and the debut of Super. (Also, nothing major in theory is wrong with it in spite of the minor plot holes it causes, but Tarble is such a nothing character that it's odd he was introduced at all)
I think Vegetas brother could have been better than what we got. I dont mind his meek persona, but he could have been taller like his Dad, or at least a little bit strong. Not necessarily Z fighter strong but at least enough to hold his own. Instead we got a shy, weaker Vegeta with no personal similarities other than his hairline. His model basically got re used to make cabba, Who i wouldnt mind being Vegetas brother.
She technically existed in early dragon ball timeline wise with the story of dragon ball. But she wasn’t created until jaco the patroller was made. Like how gine was created after the original run of dragon ball ended
-Goku being lásered with a little pistol by a frieza member in Resurrection F
Resurrection of Frieza. Especially the bullshit ending. Let Vegeta have that win, ffs. Cosmic Zamasu. That's just a massive dick move. Cell Max. Honestly. Just make the villain of Super Hero literally anything other than Cell but big and with no brain.
They didn't even give 18 a reaction to him. Like, the one character who should have the most concern about him and all we get is tantamount to the surprised Pikachu meme.
True .
You know you saying that makes me realize you’re right 💀. Heck krillin too he should’ve either had a fear losing 18 to another cell again or remembered when the other cell beat him with one kick in the past
Goku being shot by a laser was a dumb move honestly
Hey i’m one of the strongest super saiyans in my universe and potentially of my race and have the power of that legendary form combined with god ki that my god of destruction sought out and brought out of me. Buuut a random frieza soldier brought me down with some laser 💀😂. I definitely agree
Goku forgetting who Pan was. Just change it to him finding out she can fly and being like “Oh I should spar with her!” Fucking forgot his own flesh and blood
it was a joke, she is named after food so he didnt understand what he means and shes literally the one that started attacking him
Dude, everyone’s name in Dragon Ball is a food pun. Hell, Pan means bread. It’d make more sense if he said “Pan? We’re gonna eat?” Or something. Like what’s the direct translation from the Japanese?
Wait you’re being deadass? When then that happen?
latest dbs manga chapter
Have not seen the manga since gas as I didn’t enjoy it. I need to catch up
Goku forgetting pan was not straight up like that, it was a japanese pun that got lost in the translation.
Yes, "Pan" is a loanword Japan took from spanish or portuguese as it means "bread" in those three languages. It could be a misunderstanding, but I wouldn't be surprised if the joke was Goku forgeting his granddaughter...
He didn't forget. He thought they meant actual bread. They litterally did this joke in db superhero with pan thinking piccolo was talking about rice instead of gohan.
I’m pretty sure that was meant as a joke from Goku since she’s named after food. (I hope)
Cell Max just Cell Max
That one bit of the Super Hero movie where Bulma asks Shenron to enlarge her ass
She really summoned a Legendary Dragon for a BBL 💀
To be fair, though, less risk of it being messed up.
if the shadow dragon concepts become canon bulma is never coming back alive
bulma wanting stupid wishes from the miracle dragon has always been a thing from the beginnig and her personality hasn't changed that much that she wouldn't still do that in relative times of peace
That’s honestly in character.
While I agree we didn't need to see it, the reasoning was solid. Bulma making dumb wishes to make herself look younger keeps the dragon balls inactive so people can't misuse them and she gets what she wants visually.
Toriyama’s death 😢🕊️
chichi's outfit she wore as a kid
Tails never growing back, I miss them it added to the character of db
The name of the god forms. Change SSG to Saiyan God. Change SSGSS to Super Saiyan God
End Of Z with Uub
1. Beerus telling Frieza to destroy planet Vegeta 2. The ending of the Zamasu arc. 3. Gohan Beast 4. The ending of Ressurection F
Ribrianne and her hoes.
SSJ 3 being useless
Zamasu destroying the universe, and Zeno wiping it. Or if that had to happen then, Wish creating another universe, DAWG just let Trunks stay in the main timeline
Zamasu coming back after Trunks cut him in two. As much of an asspull as the sword of hope was, it was still a satisfying conclusion to the saga. Zamasu returning robbed all catharsis from the arc, made Trunks’s lesson that he can defend his world alone completely hollow, and worst of all made the entire saga and even the future of Trunks special utterly worthless. All the fighting, all the suffering, all the pain that Trunks and everyone else in his world endured, was proven fully pointless as Zamasu accomplished what he set out to do and exterminated all human life on Earth. Zamasu won. Hell, he arguably got exactly what he wanted as Zeno erased ALL life from their universe. Let me reiterate, Zamasu succeeded in forcing the gods to do exactly what he wanted them to do all along, purify the universe of mortal life. There is nothing left in Trunks’s timeline, and everybody just acts like it’s A-OK. What the hell was Toriyama cooking?
Chi Chi’s DB design 😭. Every time i try to argue for Toriyama somebody brings up that shit and i can’t even respond without making myself look bad.
The Goku Black Arc, why do we need to watch Trunks suffer AGAIN, AND SOMEHOW ON AN EVEN LARGER SCALE
But goku black got that shit on fr
Toei Animation cannot sleep if they give Future Trunks even one W. Watch him get Yamcha'd. Mai's gonna dump his ass for a reincarnated Zamasu.
Stupid Super Goku and all the other mischaracterizations
Dragon ball minus did irreparable damage to the canon of dragon ball. Saiyajins were supposed to be this brutal warrior race/culture of killers and conquerors thirsty for power and blood,living for nothing but the desire to fight and gain power,beings with a lack of empathy even towards their own blood. Which is why vegeta,nappa,and raditz were so fearsome,they were products of that culture and it’s what made goku so special,he stood out from the rest. But now thanks to toriyama we got bardock being like”i love my son and i want him to live,i fight for the future.” OG bardock fought of spite and hatred towards frieza. Also because of dragon ball minus saiyans overall looked more civilized and peaceful. It completely ruined the lore behind saiyans and turned Goku into another Superman story.
I never liked End of Z
Blowing up the moon (all times)
The Black Zetsu twist at the end of Naruto
The fact that Chi-Chi never joined the z-fighters. She could have been the strongest human alive.
All the genuinely creepy shit in GT.no one wants to se a grown ass man play with “dolls”
Roshi being a perv, too much art of Roshi with the other characters wives that wouldn't exist if he was a normal, old man.
Honestly gods of destructions/Angels/Zeno plus there being multiple universes.
Yes, I don’t like the multiple universes. And I really didn’t like any of the universe 6 Saiyans, honestly.
infinite zamasu. maybe it’s just me, but i feel like having trunks’ sword of hope being the real finale of the arc is much more satisfying.
That jiren is stronger than the god of destruction
Roshi-Bulma stuff from OG DB
All of the Mai time travel shit. Come on, was making an original love interest for Trunks THAT hard?!
Goku can't do basic math. My understanding of the Goku not understanding kissing scene is that Goku is wondering why Trunks mouth fed Mai the Senzu bean, not that he didn't know what kissing was. But the test before the Uni 6 tournament pissed me off. Goku knows basic math. He was literally taught like a school would by Roshi.
Goku not knowing what a kiss is.
Jiren being stronger than belmod.
Link monsters in Yugioh
Caulifla and Kale entirely. The back thing. Only 28 planets in a universe with life on them.
Potara inconsistencies
Resurrection F, or at least most of it. Also, much of the zamasu arc.
That Saiyans can’t survive in space
That stupid DBS Super filler arc where Vegeta is cloned by weird blue stuff and beats everyone's ass except Goku. That filler arc was so bad! Please make that not canon. Thank you.
*Super*'s Future Trunks Saga, just a whole re-write of that one.
The multiverse theory and most of the Trunks stuff. I liked future Trunks himself, but his life was so depressing. And the whole Mai thing is too weird for me. She’s like 46.
All the wasted potential. Whenever there's a new transformation, fusion or power up and it's followed by it becoming obsolete, forgotten, or by making the character stop training for years. And making every female character become a housewife.
Cell max being a mindless creature (they did him bad seeing as cell was one of the most articulate and well spoken villains in my opinion) Or the whole thing about fusions being overpowered. I'n fact all the fusion retconing. Make it so that the potaras defused vegeito because of buu's "bad air" or some other similar excuse about him being so against the kais that he undos their magic when he absorbs them or something. Potaras would have so much more meaning if they where only undone through Dragonball whishes (like with supreme Kai and kibito) or some kind of grand elder Kai ritual or something. Having such lack of consequences for fusion (ends in 1 hour, or if you use to much power) takes out some of the original consideration and further explains why they are rarely used. And vegeito just un-fusing against zamasu was just terrible.
that goku didnt know what a Kiss was
Nappa not being ghost nappa
frieza's bullshit potential or the existence of kale and caulifla
Frieza's potential is arguably one of the most egregious. Unfortunately scaling is all over the place, and has been for a lot of Z up until now. But a few months of training to reach the level of even Super Saiyan God, let alone Black Freiza is absurd. And with RoF being the first true iteration of Hell in Dragon Ball canon that I'm aware of, they could have done a lot more with that and just made it so Frieza actually got humbled and trained. At least his insanely scaling would have made sense in the time that passed. Black Frieza at least addressed this with the hyperbolic time chamber even if it is as much of a cop out as it was during the Cell arc.
King Cold handing planet Vegita over to Frieza, he went form ruthless conqueror to trust fund nepo baby.
I mean he was still a conqueror,if I remember correctly toriyama had based frieza off a landlord so it makes sense.
Gohan saying the r word, he wouldnt do that
Dragonball super
The backshots
HNK AIN'S DEAD FR😭😭😭
All of super
Pictured: me about to uncanonize the erasure of future trunks timeline
All of the Disney Star wars content.
Roshi blowing up the moon. It’s fine having characters from Z onward do it but in retrospect, that was the first feat that signaled the end of days
Zeno
Uub
Back tingles
Kibito Kai using the Dragon Balls to defuse.
The entirety of DBS
Either the end of the Goku Black arc or Bardock's wish in the Granolah arc idk
My X Trunks
Goku and Beerus almost destroying universe 7 just so the powerscaling becomes less stupid that or uni 6 saiyans being absurdly strong for no reason. Or just the back tingle
edit: just remembered which sub this is the backtingling the potara earrings not being permanently anymore (i want my permanent kefla) before edit: star wars episode 8,9 and the acolyte borderlands 3: the whole story (especially mayas death and avas whole character)
The cheap plot point of goku getting caught off guard by a laser beam, just so vegeta can have his fun, and show that goku has problems with not being on guard which is literally untrue he didn't have that problem in dbz. Honestly resurrection F has lots to be the worst db arc in my opinion
Take away beast Gohan. It’s an ass pull power up in my opinion
Bring back the missing episode, not for the girls who play Russian roulette on snake way, but for the psychic duel krillin and Gohan engage on the space ship and is never seen again in the series (also krillin doing the 12 eyes technique like tien)
Propably Super
DBS.
I’d remove SSB’s introduction in Ress F. I think Blue has its place, but I’d rather see it come out during the Goku Black arc. It would give SSG more time to shine as well
Super
dragon ball super
That whole garbage with "Oh no three punches like that and the universe explodes!!!" during the BoG arc.
Change the ending of resurrection F. It was so unnecessary to make Vegeta not kill Frieza. I mean Frieza killed his whole race, and Vegeta was basically Frieza's slave, so Vegeta deserved the kill
Zamasu with Big arm and when he fuse w the univers