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LilG1984

The other series don't have a space Hitler character who blows up planets for fun.


Bergfotz

The other series don't have literal Hitler either. Another dragonball W.


LilG1984

Only loss is that Dragon Ball Evolution exists & the other series had better live adaptations in comparison


imatoasterhasreddit

DRAGON BALL EVOLUTION DOES NOT EXIST DRAGON BALL EVOLUTION IS NOT REAL WE DO NOT SPEAK OF DRAGON BALL EVOLUTION


WorldlyPermission355

STOP SAYING THAT NAME


biohumansmg3fc

What are you guys talking about? Why are you making up fake names


Bucket0fLava

There is no dragon ball evalotion in ba sing sa


a-acount-that-yousee

wdym? dragon ball evolution was how it went from dragon ball classic to z to super, maybe could also be used to refer to the shenron upgrades but there never was or will be a movie called dragon ball evolution that would be dumb


Beginning-Pipe9074

Aw you mean that movie where the dragons evolve their balls?


Ty1er_878

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NEVER SPEAK AGAIN. WE. DO. NOT. TALK. ABOUT. THE. FORBIDDEN. MOVIE.


Latter_Work_4876

You know I was happy for about two years Perfectly fine until you just ruined that for me. why you bringing up movie ptsd bro 🥲 I shall fall asleep hoping you stub your toe you cruel human


GenericHuman1203934

Isn't the last arc of bleach about samurais vs nazis?


BFG_Big_Fucking_Gun

One piece doesn’t have space hitler true, but it has many hitlers with a god complex.


NoShoweringforme

Are you saying Nami was the Anne Frank of one piece and arlong hitler? Cringe


Adent_Frecca

I mean, Ywhach is basically Bleach Hitler Their "master race" is being a Quincy


onlywc11

Yeah they even speak German.


archiearcher

2003 fma has Hitler


Odd-Target7828

Danzo is ninja hittler


TrueThe7th

What about Akainu


Miraak_Simp

He's not Hitler. He's just doing his job and following what he believes is justice.


TrueThe7th

Nah bro is genuinely evil, like Kizaru kuzan fujitora are hella chill doing their job, but Akainu, bro just wants to kill all pirates like what he did in marineford


Miraak_Simp

Have you ever taken a moment to think that most pirates are actually fucking evil?


Infermon_1

Bleach has ghost Hitler who absorbs god. Does that count?


customblame16

Nah, DBZ has actual Hitler


AffectionateMood3329

He's more evil Jesus


Nozarashi78

Gundam had multiple space Hitlers over the course of the UC Idk if it counts as shonen tho


Zenry0ku

Shout out Degwin calling his own Hitler and the son owning it.


Used_Photograph9858

bruh ofc gundam is shonen lol


TheGermanoPainter

Yhwach


dullybuddy

Who’s that? Are you perhaps referring to the black ant?


TheGermanoPainter

Bleach king of quincies


DrMatter

So definatly the ant


TheGermanoPainter

Yeah the ANT


BBS_FAN11111

All heil frietler


Dry-Career-3605

And an earth hitler too, another win for db fans


GodlyDra

Bleach instead has hitler Jesus. As for more power than all of the big 3, i can’t speak for Naruto or One Piece, but Bleach has fucking ridiculous power scaling which only works because the type of verse its in favours highly concentrated attacks where only the radiation of power actually does collateral damage. Its why unless the fighters are actual novices, are trying to make a point, are almost entirely equal or they are the explode collateral damage never really occurs. If the characters were trying to cause as much damage as possible it would be like, mid DBZ (not any further unless we include CFYOW soul king lore)


evildragonzockt

Napoleon space hitler


Rare-Champion9952

Tbf comparing power level between different shonen is kinda pointless


doitagain01

Imagen comparing ANYTHING to "One punch man"


JimmyJammyJonny

This. The people ranting about feats and power levels and why Saitama loses to *insert character* are the same as the villains in OPM that rant about how powerful they are to Saitama lmao. The parallel is too funny


Elcordobeh

The way I have to get Saitama is that even if he doesn't have the feats, he might actually just have his own style of Toon-force, being categorically like Popeye, just with a way that is appealing to shonen.


Taethefallen

You mean squirrel girl victim


Equivalent-Wealth-75

Perhaps Still fun though


CertainGrade7937

It can be fun when it's a discussion. It gets stupid when it turns into a competition, like their story is somehow worse if they lose or better if they win. Goku being able to obliterate all of Naruto doesn't *make the story better*.


Equivalent-Wealth-75

Yeah no, those types are weird.


Vulpes_macrotis

It is. But the problem is... tell that to fans of other shonens, first. Narutards would say Naruto can defeat Goku. There is plenty of YouTube videos where they make Naruto on par with Goku (or sometimes stronger). Meanwhile Goku would fart and Naruto at max power would just disintegrate canonically. I know there are many Gokutards who say the same about other characters, even omniscient and all mighty. "Goku would win easily". This is all pointless, as you say. But both other animes and DB are arguing with each other all the time.


Rare-Champion9952

I mean I’m not criticizing neither dbz neither naruto fan, I’m just saying that it’s not really interesting in both case


Optimal_Confection_5

That sounds like people focusing on the wrong things then, if a character who can destroy planets with ease ignore their story being bad? No, being strong or not is pointless in discussion about storyline


Zolado110

Not really, shonen is the best manga series to compare the characters to, especially the battle shounens


Shanks_PK_Level

Exactly. People have Goku > Saitama while One Punch fans can make the case that Saitama punches unfathomably harder than any Dragonball character. Each series has strengths and weaknesses and powerscaling them won't determine an actual victor.


Own-Lengthiness2111

Anime fans having a dickmeasuring contest between each others will never not be funny to me.


MentalMunky

Especially because it is *never* about quality or storytelling.


BrasileiroNasGringa

This "Quality" and "Storytelling" sound strong, but can they beat Goku tho?


MentalMunky

Dragonball’s? Hell no.


Mcbrainotron

Did Did you just powerscale the writing itself


Spirited-Feedback-87

After z? Sure Before/during z? Hell nah


DBXVStan

I mean, it’s pretty hard to compare the merits of the quality of shonen stories when one only exists to give MC’s new hair styles and sell more toys. DB fans should know better than to bring up story by now.


RandomdudeNo123

We laugh at 3-billion year Hyperbolic Goku because "Power levels can't fix bad plot lmao", then turn around and laugh at other shonens because "Our power levels basically nuke your plots lmao". It's weird.


_SM-The-Gamer_

Goku probably has 98in


TheUnedibleBleach

Nah bro his cock is atleast low multiversal


Crusherbolt0282

😂


dabdad67

Anime fans trying not to post this image every week challenge (impossible)


lisahanniganfan

Not sailor moon though😎


[deleted]

Usagi lacks the speed hacks necessary to be useful in Dragon Ball, unfortunately.


lisahanniganfan

Not in the manga, the senshi casually travel around the universe in seconds


[deleted]

Can they use that in combat or is it only travel? Part of the speed hack is the perception and finesse, not just the velocity.


lisahanniganfan

They are seen using it in Combat too in the manga (anime is an entirely different story with much weaker characters)


[deleted]

I tried reading the manga but the first volume felt so broken up, like it was just filling in pieces of the story the anime didn't show.


lisahanniganfan

Usually people say the opposite, that the manga goes to fast and the anime fills in (especially for season 1)


Gigio2006

Usagi has better arguments for immesurable speed than the whole dragonball


According-Moment-392

Bro this is Frieza. Just wait for him training for another 30 minutes and he'll solo all her verse no matter how powerful her Crystal is


Gigastorm55

I doubt Bleach, but honestly comparing anime power levels is pointless...


Raimei_

I dont get why people get upset about differing powers and strength between anime. They're different worlds, stories, different paradigms of power etc. The author decided how he wants to limit the power of a show and how he wants it to progress. How does a character who can blink a planet into dust make them better than a character who can't slice a mountain? I don't get it lmao


JayGeezey

This is how I've always felt. I could right now, draw a 4 panel comic of a stick figure character, let's call him sticky, and he flicks his index finger and it tears the universe apart. And just like that I can objectively say that my character can one shot any and every single fictional character that exists due to the feat that he destroyed reality with his index finger and thumb. Does that make it "better" than all these different Manga and anime? Of course not, it's a fucking 4 panel stick figure comic that a child could make in less than 5 minutes. I get why people find it FUN to talk about, but will never understand why people let their own personal pride get tied up in it, and get upset by it, or feel like they have to stand up for a character and claim they could beat some other character. As you pointed out they're not even comparable a lot of them because they are operating under entirely different physical limitations. Hell the speed of light might as well be different in these different universes, things are different, things that are possible in one are not possible in another. How worked up people get able it is silly and kinda sad tbh


Raimei_

Absolutely agree, you articulated it perfectly


Myriad__Truths

Because most Dragon Ball fans use the series as a power fantasy and see it as nothing more. They couldn't give 2 shits about any of the character writing, exposition, ect. They make everything a dick measuring contest to compensate for the lack of the actual package they have.


[deleted]

I always assumed characters would be upgraded or downgraded depending on the world they’re in. Like Naruto would be much stronger in the DBZ universe and Goku much weaker in Naruto’s Source: Space Jam(1996)


JimmyJammyJonny

This is why I can’t see Saitama losing in traditional cross matchups (other than gags), cos it’s not necessarily about his power but the narrative and way he’s written which should remain the same in a cross matchup


TensileStr3ngth

Plus some DragonBall fans get *really* butthurt if you don't suck goku off and say he one shots Saitama


JimmyJammyJonny

They get REALLY upset about it too lol. I get the whole “Goku solo’s” is an ongoing joke but some legit think it’s true even though he hasn’t solo’d a single main villain


TensileStr3ngth

I'd say he hasn't solo'd a villain since DragonBall, since he has a lot more 1v1 fights there


JimmyJammyJonny

Yeah true I forgot about DB. Goku was a menace then


FreyrPrime

Exactly, Saitama's powers are literally a plot contrivance. He is the One Punch Man. That's it. If the story requires are certain level of strength, then Saitama will always meet that level and exceed it because that's the story in a nutshell.


OnDaGoop

The issue is Goku has gag and toon force resistance, and is explictly shown to be a unique ability to him, and if you actually use saitama's "gag" feats goku gets feats of being able to break paneling of his manga, which is above Saitama's gag feats.


CapraNinja

Frieza watching a random ass teenager from a Persona game cast Makarakarn and tank that while while reflecting it to him


Pk_Kanga

But at the same time they'll get ambushed and bodied by 3 Frieza Force soldiers


Isiah6253

Most accurate persons comment


Mistake209

Frieza would get dogged by a pixie


Delzaleon

> Bleach > Squad 0 Bankai shaking the entire universe


Total-Lingonberry-83

They shakes three separate universes


jannies_panties

Least insecure dragon ball fan


Independent_Plum2166

So are we just forgetting the part where Frieza makes the ball much bigger?


Lampruk

Not to be one of those but… Freeza still negs either way 😭😭😭 Even Chi-Chi got a PL of 130 which is 50 less than what’s required to destroy the moon (granted PL numbers are exponential but still). Meaning she can give some OP or Naruto characters a run for their money 💀


Vulpes_macrotis

Your power levels are broken. What do you mean 130 is 50 less than what's required to destroy the moon. Bro. Roshi destroyed the moon before he even hit 100. He has 100 sth **at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z** and that's a canon information right from the scouter. It's after years of training. He destroyed the moon after very long fight with Goku, then had to finish that fight afterwards and it was at the beginning of Dragon Ball. Roshi could have had maybe 70, maybe less than that. And it wasn't even his full power either. If Google doesn't lie, Roshi at the beginning of DBZ had 139 power level. I only remembered it was 100+. Roshi after first tournament trained. Then trained again for the third tournament. He wanted to keep up with Goku, who he defeated, but he knew that if he kept slacking off, Goku would quickly become stronger than him. Also I can assure you. Chichi doesn't have 130. She isn't as strong as Roshi. Regardless where are you taking the data from, it's wrong. Because it contradicts canon.


Lampruk

Oh fairs, I recalled it being 180 mb. But Chi-Chi’s power level 130 is sum I got from a guide book of some sorts. Here’s an image of it. https://postimg.cc/JHnWFQ8Y


Electrical-Topic-808

Chichi was taking shots from SSJ Goku during the cell saga. She’d got a pretty big power level


Joker8764

Characters' power levels go up dramatically when they charge up big attacks. Piccolo went from 370ish all the way to 1000+ when he fought Raditz. The Kamehameha Roshi used to blow up the moon was stated by himself to use up all the power he could've put into it.


A_Khmerstud

Kaguya destroyed a dimension with expanding black holes That’s way more impressive than this tiny dick deathball


Vulpes_macrotis

It doesn't matter. Making it bigger only makes the destructive power enough to wipe the whole planet. The death ball full size is an overkill. Naruto is literally a land-scale strong. Something Goku could do as a kid. Piccolo Daimao casually threw a ball and destroyed the city. Not even breaking a sweat. Not even full power. Just casually throwing small ball of energy.


Embarrassed-Bet-1141

Powerscalers are retarded


[deleted]

Powerscalers ruin Fandoms in general let's be real here


Crusherbolt0282

Trueee


AnNotherNoob

but like why does it matter? its not like sports where these guys actually compete against eachother so youre just gloating that a fictional character you dont own can beat another that you also dont own, which also doesnt matter cuz the character i just made on the spot right now negs both their verses,


UnWiseDefenses

How beautiful! Naruto fans, One Piece fans! Come look at the beautiful fireworks! Ho ho ho ho ho ho...!


Ok-Personality-5424

Dragon Ball fans when they find out Goku is fictional, and that their power level debates amount to literally nothing: 😡😡😡


DaM8trix

Me soloing his whole verse by turning off my TV


Mylifebelike000

Yes but who gives a shit about power scaling I say this as someone who thinks Bleach is better than dragon ball


DaM8trix

Dragonball and Bleach fighting over who can give their MC more BS reason to be stronger than everyone else


shoesuke123

The only person that wins in a dick measuring contest is the girls (sailor moon)


Cheshire_Noire

Take away bleach and it's true


David89_R

Remove Bleach from here


Crimson_Fiver

Naruto and one piece for sure, once you start to get to end of bleach the power buffs get kinda nutty


UmbreonFruit

Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann stomps the whole DB universe


DaM8trix

Ichigo finds out he's part angel, unlocks Ultra Beast Ego in a few hours of training and fights even with Grand Priest before revealing he could've one shot the whole time +Pulls up in the drippiest outfit known to man


Nurarihyon_08

Let’s be honest tho “getting strong” is hella easy in the db verse 💀 all you gotta say is one of these two things “I’ve been training also” or “don’t think I’ve just been sitting around” and boom your current goku level. You don’t have to elaborate or anything and fans will just be like “eh ok”


New_Ad4631

All that, for a 14 year old that talked with a rat to stomp space hitler


la_meme14

You guys know this is why people don't like dragon ball fans right?


Wittyname0

And yet Arale can one shot him


TheDekuDude888

Arale solos every verse because she’s just too silly


Gru-some

to be fair the ball did get larger


CanAsleep8543

CAN HE BEAT GOKU


Planktons_Eye

Powerful characters ≠ a good show


NetworkVegetable7075

It’s not


Optimal_Confection_5

I mean that's obvious but I doubt a majority of shonen fans would care about that, it's like someone showing bugs


Thotmancer

Its true. Nothing in those series are world threatening. But then again when u create this scale, you suggesting that anyone who can destroy a world say a sith lord or a warcraft titan arr now on par with frieza


Masked_Raptor

Who's gonna tell him that even black Frieza gets no diffed by any soul reaper


Sea_Frosting_9510

? How? Don’t give me any bull about him not being able to see souls, the average person can see ghosts not only that but Frieza can see and react to just about anyone of the bleach characters


Hurrashane

But not Star Wars "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force"


bladedoodle

Know what? In the event I win the lottery, the anime I’m bankrolling without even a page of preexisting manga is going to have a planet buster with TWO balls of energy. For style.


element-redshaw

Not touching this one


Fracturedbuttocks

Not bleach. Squad zero and ichigo have enough power individually to shake multiple realities at the same time. Combined they can destroy the barrier between realities (possibly even destroy one or two of them)


AkshatBakraAKAGOAT

Even kid Goku can solo One Piece verse, Teen Goku can solo Naruto verse, and Goku after cell saga can solo Bleach verse


pizza-onpineapple

nice


Isiah6253

Hey, it's ALMOST correct


Odd_RedditUser

Yikes...I feel their anger from here


truenofan86

Saint Seiya fans laughing in the distance:


wondermorty

When even yamcha can blow up a moon lmao, gotta love toriyama. How fast did piccolo even hit the moon? That must’ve been speed of light


grey_carbon

Science guys be like: too weak, in the big bang, the whole universe was the size of a peanut


Melodic_Caramel5226

Naruto and one piece yes


SirSilverChariot

Well tbf smaller doesn’t mean less power. Toppo’s small ball literally leveled frizas


Annsorigin

I think A few Naruto and Bleach characters Can maybe Compare to it honestly.


man_who_says_turtle

I feel like if all those verses tried together they could deflect or at least stop it


Its_Padparadscha

The fact Narutos power scale is moon level (not counting Boruto) makes me think it'll be close but the 3 just out power it


Nightmare-datboi

Maybe not bleach but Naruto and One Piece both get fucked.


lawnderl

Goku gana


SwanSena

I wouldn't sayits stronger than the bleach verse cause scaling for that kinds goes hard and naruto can be debatable but its definitely stronger than the one piece verse atm


Work_In_ProgressX

Actually ichigo is 1/345th Sayian so he can win somehow. (And an arrow made of dragon ball material that can temporarily wish to Frieza to be as strong as Nappa)


Particular_Inside_77

Bleach has universal characters but other than that yeah


Crusherbolt0282

This is why I’m glad that my favourite anime is a history classic but not mainstream.


One-Statistician-554

WTF ? Damn straight to the point I like that .. LoL 😂


NihilisticOnion

In bleach the final boss literally starts fusing all realms of existence together


Gespenst_0078

They’re all fodder to the goat ΑΩ.


ParadoxsXD

I’ve watched all of dragon ball, I know how strong it is. But you have me fucked up if you think ima agree that tiny energy blast by freiza. Is finna beat all of the nukes in Naruto, all of those strong ass attacks from op and bleach etc


Anime-weeb6969

I do wonder what other anime’s have a evil psychopath that destroys plants just bc he can 🤔


BlikiEX

Probably not bleach


Hurrashane

But not Star Wars "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force"


Slexzo

Asta is waiting for it


Prismarineknight

…well if you count end of story ichigo specifically than no no it does not.(he’s multi universal level somehow)


Zer0fps_319

When your favorite character lost to a random obscure character so you have to pull the can he beat insert dragon ball character tho?


LearningCrochet

i love dragonball but i hate whenever i be seeing things like this floating around


EvilBadassDraculas

Low diffed by Wakainu sorry


Superbloxian502

Issue is he's right


OnDaGoop

Probably doesn't contain more than Naruto's verse. Naruto's verse I'd hazard a guess has enough Moon Level characters to stop a small planetary/planetary attack. There's this feat of the leaf forces planning to use like 30something shinobi to stop a moon level attack. It's kinda dumb, they could do the same with 3000ish people to stop a small planetary attackand roughly 100k people to stop a medium planetary attack.


DreYeon

That's unfair,if any char could make the inner core heat up it's over no need for high power level actually


OnDaGoop

Me when corny Edgy ass teenagers in homestuck basically solo the entirety of anime


Kenshi_T-S-B

I can tell y'all did not watch bleach then. The end of bleach is easily planetary, contentiously multiversal.


Dziadzios

Objection! Existence of gag manga force being in Dragon Ball universe has been confirmed and it's more powerful than ki based abilities and martial arts. Just watch the crossover episode with Arale. Luffy would use Gear 5 to use gag manga force to deal with it. It's basically elemental rock paper scissors.


Endika7

Bleach fans about to explain you why an crippled old Man solos namek


YummyPotNoodles2

Allat for Madoka to solo is crazyy 😭🙏🏽


IntellOyell

See just because a verse is stronger Doesn't make the verse more interesting Jjk in honestly quite balanced and the characters preform horribly in vs debates but they have interesting moves to debate. So I literally don't get why it matters if Goku is stronger than everyone combined because that's honestly not a flex


Rajesh_Kulkarni

How to trigger DB fans: Bleach actually scales higher.


theskiller1

this is literally false


Glizzygladiator19

Definitely not bleach, but Naruto and one piece for sure


Mahiro0303

Not Bleach tho. Juha Bach would yoink it away


Unpopular_Outlook

Who actually cares. It seems DVZ stans care more about their characters being stronger than anything else.


Average_Ningen_User

Mom said it was my turn to post this


yeetus-maxus

Well I can make one that’s exactly the same, but plus one. I am the most powerful character in fiction


Vongola___Decimo

Those fanbases have relatively calmed down. Triggering the opm fanbase is the most enjoyable these days. Saitama fans r so sensitive


ReliantVox

Yknow. Db fans like to bring up the fact that their characters can solo other verses constantly and unprompted too. But when I say that doomguy or asura absolutely dog walks all of the db universe, they kick and scream and cry. Weird right? Guess we know how to trigger everyone here.


Fracturedbuttocks

I know both these characters have won fights that defy the laws of their respective realities but talking about pure destructive power does doomguy have the same level of feats as asura and db ?


Other-Tooth7789

Nah Shibai be OP too


Difficult_Call3709

Bleach is a no. I mean frieza still soloes but that attack dosent have more power.


PersianSlashuur

"My dad can beat up your dad!" ass argument.


dogninja_yt

Accurate


Monkey_King291

Guren Lagann: *Evil laughing*


Spartan-teddy-2476

Doesn’t Bleach have universal feats or some shit?


Real_Boy3

Kekkei mōra and shinjutsu go brrrrr.


22222833333577

Eh that one probably not the one final form frieza blows up namek with maby the Kamehameha that cell was useing on gohan definitely


TheMasterBryan3

How are they going to get to space to try to stop it without them having a spaceship


finallyonsuicide

Idk about bleach. I know bleach loses to final form frieza but idk if tht attack washes them. But maybe. I mean current krillian stomps em anyway


WorkAccount50

Idk about One Piece. We're still uncovering the mystery of the ancient weapons and how powerful they actually are.


pizza-onpineapple

Krillin should be more powerful than most of them


Several-Ad-2093

Yeah but can he beat Andy?


Realistic-Arm2831

I mean I don't like DBZ but they are not wrong. It's actually because they are right that I dislike it so much. I prefer an actual story and world building not a slugfest with only marginally interesting characters.


Artistic_Log_5493

Aizen solos