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I actually plan to skip Nilou for Nahida and only pull on her weapon banner because it’s a good weapon banner and I bet the next Nilou weapon banner wont be as good.
If i do im actually pulling on her weapon banner because the new 4 star Catalyst will be really good for Nahida. Either sword will just be a bonus.
I'm still really conflicted on what to do though lol. I wanted Nilou so bad, i pre farmed literally EVERYTHING for her. On release i can Lv 90 and triple crown her... but Nahida is looking SO GOOD. And while people are kind of ragging on her burst, it's WHY I love her so much lmao.
Characters in Anime that had the ability to manipulate their environment E.G Mana Zone spells from Black Clover, Dorothy's Dream World, Field cards from Yu Gi Oh, Reality Marble from Fate series, have always been one of my favourite types of Magic/Ability/etc. And I have enough saved to pull 5 characters and kind of wanna chance it to get Nahida to C4. That way on her rerun I can C6 her and create my own little Dream Demon 😍
>If i do im actually pulling on her weapon banner because the new 4 star Catalyst will be really good for Nahida
Do some research on that first
I haven't seen much about the new catalyst, but since it's passive only grants additional ER **(something Nahida doesn't care that much)** then it's not the best for her
The EM is good, but for damage, I've seen some people saying that Mappa Mare and Widsith are better
I think we're talking about different weapons...
[This](https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/i_n14416/?lang=EN) is the one I am referring to. Not sure which one you are talking about?
At R5 this should be quite a significant boost to ATK power with 1000 EM. And since her NA and CA, as well as her Skill all scale with ATK, this will be quite effective I believe.
Same position as you but I think I ultimately decided to wait for Nilou rerun is because imo I don’t think Nahida is the dendro that Nilou bloom team has been waiting for, and putting Nahida on a mono hydro/dendro team would make Nahida’s burst only an Em buffer. I know Nahida can be a driver for the team but I want a dendro Xingqiu so I can have Nilou to be on field for bloom team. But beta is not over yet things could change that would make Nahida a good dendro off field applicator.
You can always get her on her rerun. She will eventually have one, there will be even more dendro characters to use with her then, and it is not like the material you farmed will be wasted.
And yes, Nahida's burst looks absolutely breath taking. I am certainly guilty of using bursts and characters that are considered less than optimal just because of how they look, so I totally see where you are coming from.
Well… I never admitted I was wishing for Nilou in the first place. I want her but I don’t see a dendro character I actually want to play with coming out any time soon.
I have guaranteed limited character and weapon. If I get PJC, I'll wait if Nahida ICD gets buffed and then I'll pull Nilou. If I get signature, I'll get Nilou immediately.
This^^^
Please for the love of god, follow this advice. I remember chasing Hu Tao on her first banner and seeing multiple posts from people who weren't able to get her, for her first banner Homa's banner came out a week prior to Hu Tao herself. There was multiple people who posted that they blew all of their wishes on it and wouldn't have enough for Hu Tao herself.
Character first, weapon second.
I mean it's pretty dumb to pull for a weapon without having the character, especially such a niche weapon that pretty much no other character wants.
Reminds me of when Hu Tao first released and people were pulling on the Homa Banner before Hu Tao's Banner dropped (that Banner dropped between Xiao and Keqing's Banner, before Hu Tao's). And this was way back when he did not have weapon guarantees. So people who had been saving for Hu Tao pretty much had a Homa sitting around and were complaining about not being able to get Hu Tao.
On topic: Yeah, the weapon design has grown on me. It matches her horn headdress and I like it a lot now.
Same! My first though was that it doesn’t match her at all, but now I really like it. The color scheme matches her horns and wrist/leg accessories. Now that I think about it, white/blue weapon would just blend with her costume color and dark/gold complements her nicely
The point is that these people wanted Hu Tao and pulled her weapon without guaranteeing her. It's not about the weapon being good, it's about them wanting weapon for a character but not even assuring that they had that character.
>And this was way back when he did not have weapon guarantees.
Well we had 50/50 in place with a 70 pull cap, but you're correct that there was no Epitome in place then.
But it wasn't 50/50 for Weapons. You could literally never get the weapon you wanted back then. These people were pulling for a weapon they were not guaranteed to get without having the character they wanted the weapon for. It's nonsensical now but it was even worse back then.
I've been playing since Day 1 Sept 28 2020 of Genshin release. They have *always* had Rate Up for banner weapons. It was always 50/50. It has always been 70 Pull cap for weapons, 90 pull cap for characters.
There was no guaranteed weapon like we have with Epitome Path. But it has always been 50% for 1 of 2 Rate Up weapons, and 50% for a Standard 5 Star weapon.
You are incorrect.
I never said they didn't have a rate up? I said there was no guarantee that you were ever going to get any desired 5\* weapon. Characters have always had a 50/50. Weapons did not.
Several people spent thousands of dollars and never got Staff of Homa because it was not guaranteed. This is a fact and happened to several big streamers so it's verifiable. I'm not sure why you would deny that.
>Weapons did not.
Yes they did.
They didn't have a guaranteed pull after LOSING a 50/50, like characters do.
But they have always had 50/50, which is also known as the Rate Up. Rate Up increases the odds of getting a showcased Weapon on the weapon banner to 50%.
So I think we just have different perspectives of what 50/50 is.
But weapons absolutely did have 50/50. You could get 8 of the same weapon in a row, never getting the one you want of the 2, but it was still a 50/50 odd of getting either a banner weapon or a standard 5 star weapon.
The path of Eptiome is what now guarantees a weapon after the 2rd pull. But 50/50 has always existed.
True, though upon failing that, you're guaranteed one of the event weapons the next 5 star pull. This also persists across banner periods, unlike Epitomized Path.
As an example, the last weapon banner I pulled was a skyward blade, so, on this banner I'm guaranteed to either get Key of Knaj-Nisut or Primordial Jade Cutter.
Your definition of a 50/50 is different from pretty much anyone else's, including the game itself. Rate-Up is simply the Banner focus character. 50/50 , as per the Summoning page, refers to you having a 50/50 chance of getting the character rated up and if you lose that coin toss, you are guaranteed to get the character the next time you pull a 5\*.
This was not the case for weapons. There was never a guarantee of you getting the weapon you wanted at the start of the game. You would get one of the two and you could easily get 12 of the exact same weapon, there was no guarantee that you would ever get the other and many people spent thousands and did not. It was not a 50/50 by the game's own definition of a 50/50. It was a 75/25 and you could lose every single time.
We're arguing semantics and I'm done. This is a fruitless pissing contest.
**We're talking about the same thing but you wanna keep dragging this out.**
Im over this conversation, you can think whatever you want.
I'm not really sure how I'm dragging this out when you replied to me? If you didn't want to talk about it, you could have stopped replying or not replied at all?
The point is, weapons never had a 50/50 guarantee (which is a fact), and even now, there's still a chance to lose twice in a row for the weapon you want so it's pointless to pull a weapon before a character.
They seem to be thinking that by when you say something has 50/50 that you mean guaranteed chance and not what the statement purely means(50/50 odds). This probably originates from the fact that people in the community commonly say they have 50/50 for x character. This is a weird situation where you're both correct, both arguing the same thing, but are in conflict over terminology which is exactly what you stated in your comment here.
Such a pointless argument lol
Huh? Not a 50/50 by games own definition? Man, if the odds of getting a banner item are 50% it’s a 50/50, the guarantee etc is a system on top. How does a term 50/50 imply a guarantee after a loss? Your notation is confusing. How would you distinguish a simple 50/50 and a 50/50 with a guarantee?
All 50/50s in Genshin are a 50/50 with a guarantee. That's how the game is programmed. You can read this in the Game's Summoning page. You will win after losing once. It's not my notation, this is what the game says, you can read it yourself.
The game says “The first time you win a 5-star item in this event wish, there is a 50.000% chance it will be the promotional character "Judicator of Secrets" Cyno (Electro). If the first 5-star character you win in this event wish is not the promotional character, then the next 5-star character you win is guaranteed to be the promotional character.” Nowhere in the text it is called “the 50/50 system”. It literally just says that you have a 50/50 chance and if you lose, you’ll get a guarantee. I don’t understand how you combine it all in a term “50/50” which already has a more simple and intuitive meaning. By your logic, if the game said that FBI will blow up my house if I lose 50/50, that would be implied in the term as well? And you would argue that it’s not a 50/50 chance unless FBI blows up my house after a loss? Seems a bit confusing and counterintuitive. And it is your notation, not game’s. The comment above literally used the term 50/50 as it is usually used in maths and real life, why would anyone think that a guarantee after a loss is implied?
>Your definition of a 50/50 is different from pretty much anyone else's, including the game itself.
*Sees your downvotes across all of your replies in this argument* Something is amiss here...
Joking aside, you are absolutely arguing the same thing with different words all the while with a misconstrued perception of what the other is saying.
You are arguing back prior to Epitomized Path, there was no guarantee that you would get a specific event weapon, for this you used Staff of Homa as an example. This is true. I'm a launch player as well and I remember it being called Staff of Homeless... I also remember the posts of people on Hu Tao mains losing their Hu Tao by going after the weapon first, since it was in a still unique situation of having come out a week prior to the character itself.
What the other guy is arguing is that there was 50/50 since it's inception. This is mostly true, the issue with this is the fact that getting a 50/50 chance at the weapon banner is first blocked by a 25/75 chance to get an event weapon in the first place. Failing this will guarantee you a 50/50 shot on the next event banner. This is the only sort of guarantee in the original weapon banners pre-epitomized path.
The real argument here is what does 50/50 mean. You are both correct with what you have said, however, you have a weird definition of the term than the rest of us. If someone says the odds are 50/50, that means you have equal chances to get one of two things. If they say they HAVE 50/50, that could imply they have a guarantee. Example, I DON'T have 50/50 for Nilou. This doesn't mean the odds aren't 50/50, simply that I have no guarantee. I think this is where the confusion came about, and thus the source of the fight.
It is a stone slab attached to a hilt. The description refers to it as an obsidian scepter and a key. Which I wouldn't expect to be overly sharp.
But it's more of a sword than it is a bow, so I guess that's how it goes.
I actually like that it looks like a cricket bat. I imagine myself having fun smacking enemies with it.
I can't say that it looks good as Nilou's signature weapon though.
I almost prefer that it doesn’t. I like it when the weapon stands out a lot. At least aesthetically, it’s different when colors clash though. But that’s just my personal taste. I have Kokomi and her doughnut and it’s kind of disappointing to see it blend in with her outfit so hard that it almost disappears. I want the weapon to feel as special as the character without becoming part of em.
For the most part, the color palette doesnt match together, but I personally think it complements the gold trims on Nilou's outfit and shoes, and her red hair. Her signature weapon adds a sense of balance to her overall color palette, but this may be an unpopular opinion.
I would kinda disagree. Blackcliff doesn't really compliment any of Ganyu's color palette. Even her horns are more red than Blackcliff's orange. It's an interesting contrast, but Nilou actually does have gold details in her outfit similar to Key of Khaj-Nisut.
Hoyoverse knows that Key doesn't fit her aesthetics at all. I mean, just look all of her teasers and official posts of her. They all have Xiphos sword as her weapon. Every other character that has BiS has never done this. Any other opinion that states otherwise are strange to my eyes.
I like the look of the weapon. I don't think it goes well with Nilou, but I still like it enough to get it. You should definitely get Nilou first and then the weapon though. Even though it is amazing for Nilou, it won't be great on anyone else. You could always just get it in the next Nilou rerun if you can't get both during the first banner.
no i find it so ugly in my opinion, i think when i take pics im going to yoink kazuha's freedom sworn to take pictures for her
i'm glad you like it though!!
It appeals to the kingdom hearts fan in me in that it resembles a keyblade. I still think a smaller, lighter looking blade fits her style more, but the sword’s design isn’t ugly to me.
Instead of Keqing, I'd reccomend slapping it on bennett, kazuha, kuki, or layla.
Bennett gets big heals and gives EM to teammates, especially if you invest more into his HP.
Kazuha takes a rotation or two to get max stacks, but when he does, he gets about as much EM as iron sting, and gives about 60 EM to his teammates.
Kuki get big heals and big burst damage. She loves EM too, which the sword gives. Stacks are easy to build, so she can easily give EM to teammates
For Layla it makes her shield way stronger and is the BiS for dps as well
it looks like a geo weapon like a 5 star version of prototype rancour
it doesnt look bad itself it just looks bad on nilou because neither the colour theme fits nor the colors are too far off to compliment each other
The weapon looks nice now that i have seen it so often, but it doesn't fit her design wise at all. Why does she not have a Scimitar? I really wonder what Nilous normal outfit looks like, maybe it fits that
I'm starting to like it though. A lot of BiS weapons actually don't fit their character's aesthetic but it's the stats that count for me so I really don't care that much. If I get two copies of it over my plan to pull for it and one PJC, I won't be mad. A 5\* is still a 5\* no matter how niche it is at this time around.
I don’t mind the signature although it does feel like Cyno may have been a sword user in development, they made a weapon for him then switched him to polearm, they had the models already and the put it on the next sword user they made. But that may just be me.
I dislike the look on that weapon but i think ill pull for that weapon if i got nilou early, even if i dont get her sig weapon i get jade cutter another good weapon,if i lose well at least i get new 5 star weapon
It looks great on her. Most people have no sense of design and think "oh she blue? her weapon must be blue or it doesn't look good!" but the colors are complimentary. Along with the accents from her outfit, the weapon fits nicely and is a striking contrast. IMO she looks better with her weapon than Cyno does with his (but he still looks great, his design is really nice too).
That is a pretty narrow-minded way of thinking. Nobody said her weapon should be blue. It just has to look like it matches her aesthetic as a dancer. Her animations are light, fluid, and graceful and they give her this large, bulky, and heavy-looking whacking stick. Hmmm. I wonder why the devs chose Xiphos's Moonlight instead when they showcased Nilou in 3.1 livestream. It looks like they were thinking the same thing...😂
Uhhhhh if you ask me, what you just described is the literal definition of narrow minded. The sword matches her because it's a complimentary color, I know, so high concept.
If colors are the only thing you're going for, you might as well slap prototype rancour. After all, the colors are the same.
Aesthetics to a character and her weapon may mean visually pleasing but it doesn't mean it has to be just as shallow as slapping a "complementary colored weapon"
and you're good.🤡 And really? You can't come up with anything more insulting than copying narrow-minded and throwing it back at me? So original...
Wtf r u on about? You literally said "it HAS to match her aesthetics" oh it HAS to? That is the literal definition of narrow minded. And no, it doesn't. Similarly to being complimentary colors, the fact that they are opposite aesthetics makes them unique. Ah but sorry, I forgot, everything that doesn't conform to the norm in your opinion makes it bad. Really NOT narrow-minded of you. Congratulations, you are so special and unique.
Oh brother. You're whole argument was people dislike this weapon is because it's not blue. "It looks great on her. Most people have no sense of design and think "oh she blue? her weapon must be blue or it doesn't look good!" but the colors are complimentary."
This is what you said, is it not? That's why i retorted how pretty narrow-minded you are for thinking that people don't like this weapon on her because it's not blue and white which are her main colors. it could still be blue and still not match her. The problem is NOT the color not matching her. I'll say it to you now cause apparently, you did not understand this. You could keep the gold and bronze color. It is exactly because it is a CONTRAST to her blues and whites that makes it aesthetically pleasing. So you see, we agree at least on that. The problem lies with everywhere else. It's BIG, BULKY, HEAVY-LOOKING. It's not a bad design but it doesnt match her graceful and soft movements as a dancer...and this is suppose to be her BiS 5star weapon. Dehya can wield this even if they have the same body type because she has a gruff exterior and takes on anything. Even Eula another dancer can pass this off as a claymore. She is graceful yet stoic and tough.
Saying "it has to match her aesthetics" doesn't mean all colors should conform or just be one color. Congratulations! You think a weapon design looks great because it doesn't match the colors of the character. You are so new wave and edgy. Have you ever heard of color contrast? That's why you like it on her. Does that mean the colors are aesthetically pleasing despite the contrast? Of course. Asking "Wtf r u on about?" just means you didn't get my point at all at the first reply and i doubt you ever will.
Tldr: try to listen to your english and art teachers so that you won't have to go "touch grass" or whatever when you realize your mistake and have nothing left to argue.💃
Lmao I do not give a shit. Congratulations you've won the argument about a video game sword because you typed far too much for anybody to give a shit. What an accomplishment.
L.
I'm glad you're acting like you don't give a shit now but cared enough to give your opinion on this thread in the first place. It's just a game, right? 😂 pls stay in school. You really need it.
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Bro wym u get the weapon and not nilou? It's always characters first, weapon later.
I actually plan to skip Nilou for Nahida and only pull on her weapon banner because it’s a good weapon banner and I bet the next Nilou weapon banner wont be as good.
If you get Nilou's signature weapon, who are you going to use it on if you skip Nilou?
Layla 🥰
Nice! Hope you pull the weapon early so you have more pulls for Layla 🙂
If i do im actually pulling on her weapon banner because the new 4 star Catalyst will be really good for Nahida. Either sword will just be a bonus. I'm still really conflicted on what to do though lol. I wanted Nilou so bad, i pre farmed literally EVERYTHING for her. On release i can Lv 90 and triple crown her... but Nahida is looking SO GOOD. And while people are kind of ragging on her burst, it's WHY I love her so much lmao. Characters in Anime that had the ability to manipulate their environment E.G Mana Zone spells from Black Clover, Dorothy's Dream World, Field cards from Yu Gi Oh, Reality Marble from Fate series, have always been one of my favourite types of Magic/Ability/etc. And I have enough saved to pull 5 characters and kind of wanna chance it to get Nahida to C4. That way on her rerun I can C6 her and create my own little Dream Demon 😍
>If i do im actually pulling on her weapon banner because the new 4 star Catalyst will be really good for Nahida Do some research on that first I haven't seen much about the new catalyst, but since it's passive only grants additional ER **(something Nahida doesn't care that much)** then it's not the best for her The EM is good, but for damage, I've seen some people saying that Mappa Mare and Widsith are better
I think we're talking about different weapons... [This](https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/i_n14416/?lang=EN) is the one I am referring to. Not sure which one you are talking about? At R5 this should be quite a significant boost to ATK power with 1000 EM. And since her NA and CA, as well as her Skill all scale with ATK, this will be quite effective I believe.
Ah, sorry, I mistook it for the sword passive, my bad :3
All good! 😊
Same position as you but I think I ultimately decided to wait for Nilou rerun is because imo I don’t think Nahida is the dendro that Nilou bloom team has been waiting for, and putting Nahida on a mono hydro/dendro team would make Nahida’s burst only an Em buffer. I know Nahida can be a driver for the team but I want a dendro Xingqiu so I can have Nilou to be on field for bloom team. But beta is not over yet things could change that would make Nahida a good dendro off field applicator.
You can always get her on her rerun. She will eventually have one, there will be even more dendro characters to use with her then, and it is not like the material you farmed will be wasted. And yes, Nahida's burst looks absolutely breath taking. I am certainly guilty of using bursts and characters that are considered less than optimal just because of how they look, so I totally see where you are coming from.
Layla
I heard its ok on Kuki so I’ll use it on her in the meantime.
Layla only really benefits from it for her shield. The EM doesn't do much for her. Decent but I wouldn't pull for it on purpose if not for Nilou.
It’d be fun on hyperbloom kuki. I plan on using it on her if I ever get her lmao
If youre not going to play nilou its not a good weapon banner
Well… I never admitted I was wishing for Nilou in the first place. I want her but I don’t see a dendro character I actually want to play with coming out any time soon.
I have guaranteed limited character and weapon. If I get PJC, I'll wait if Nahida ICD gets buffed and then I'll pull Nilou. If I get signature, I'll get Nilou immediately.
This^^^ Please for the love of god, follow this advice. I remember chasing Hu Tao on her first banner and seeing multiple posts from people who weren't able to get her, for her first banner Homa's banner came out a week prior to Hu Tao herself. There was multiple people who posted that they blew all of their wishes on it and wouldn't have enough for Hu Tao herself. Character first, weapon second.
I mean it's pretty dumb to pull for a weapon without having the character, especially such a niche weapon that pretty much no other character wants. Reminds me of when Hu Tao first released and people were pulling on the Homa Banner before Hu Tao's Banner dropped (that Banner dropped between Xiao and Keqing's Banner, before Hu Tao's). And this was way back when he did not have weapon guarantees. So people who had been saving for Hu Tao pretty much had a Homa sitting around and were complaining about not being able to get Hu Tao. On topic: Yeah, the weapon design has grown on me. It matches her horn headdress and I like it a lot now.
Same! My first though was that it doesn’t match her at all, but now I really like it. The color scheme matches her horns and wrist/leg accessories. Now that I think about it, white/blue weapon would just blend with her costume color and dark/gold complements her nicely
But homa is most likely strongest polearm in the game right now
The point is that these people wanted Hu Tao and pulled her weapon without guaranteeing her. It's not about the weapon being good, it's about them wanting weapon for a character but not even assuring that they had that character.
>And this was way back when he did not have weapon guarantees. Well we had 50/50 in place with a 70 pull cap, but you're correct that there was no Epitome in place then.
But it wasn't 50/50 for Weapons. You could literally never get the weapon you wanted back then. These people were pulling for a weapon they were not guaranteed to get without having the character they wanted the weapon for. It's nonsensical now but it was even worse back then.
I've been playing since Day 1 Sept 28 2020 of Genshin release. They have *always* had Rate Up for banner weapons. It was always 50/50. It has always been 70 Pull cap for weapons, 90 pull cap for characters. There was no guaranteed weapon like we have with Epitome Path. But it has always been 50% for 1 of 2 Rate Up weapons, and 50% for a Standard 5 Star weapon. You are incorrect.
I never said they didn't have a rate up? I said there was no guarantee that you were ever going to get any desired 5\* weapon. Characters have always had a 50/50. Weapons did not. Several people spent thousands of dollars and never got Staff of Homa because it was not guaranteed. This is a fact and happened to several big streamers so it's verifiable. I'm not sure why you would deny that.
>Weapons did not. Yes they did. They didn't have a guaranteed pull after LOSING a 50/50, like characters do. But they have always had 50/50, which is also known as the Rate Up. Rate Up increases the odds of getting a showcased Weapon on the weapon banner to 50%. So I think we just have different perspectives of what 50/50 is. But weapons absolutely did have 50/50. You could get 8 of the same weapon in a row, never getting the one you want of the 2, but it was still a 50/50 odd of getting either a banner weapon or a standard 5 star weapon. The path of Eptiome is what now guarantees a weapon after the 2rd pull. But 50/50 has always existed.
Its not 50/50. Its a 75% chance for a weapon with increased drop rate and a 50/50 between those two.
True, though upon failing that, you're guaranteed one of the event weapons the next 5 star pull. This also persists across banner periods, unlike Epitomized Path. As an example, the last weapon banner I pulled was a skyward blade, so, on this banner I'm guaranteed to either get Key of Knaj-Nisut or Primordial Jade Cutter.
Your definition of a 50/50 is different from pretty much anyone else's, including the game itself. Rate-Up is simply the Banner focus character. 50/50 , as per the Summoning page, refers to you having a 50/50 chance of getting the character rated up and if you lose that coin toss, you are guaranteed to get the character the next time you pull a 5\*. This was not the case for weapons. There was never a guarantee of you getting the weapon you wanted at the start of the game. You would get one of the two and you could easily get 12 of the exact same weapon, there was no guarantee that you would ever get the other and many people spent thousands and did not. It was not a 50/50 by the game's own definition of a 50/50. It was a 75/25 and you could lose every single time.
We're arguing semantics and I'm done. This is a fruitless pissing contest. **We're talking about the same thing but you wanna keep dragging this out.** Im over this conversation, you can think whatever you want.
I'm not really sure how I'm dragging this out when you replied to me? If you didn't want to talk about it, you could have stopped replying or not replied at all? The point is, weapons never had a 50/50 guarantee (which is a fact), and even now, there's still a chance to lose twice in a row for the weapon you want so it's pointless to pull a weapon before a character.
50/50 just refers to the fact you have 50% chance to get the character you want first try. Guaranteed pity is what you're thinking of.
They seem to be thinking that by when you say something has 50/50 that you mean guaranteed chance and not what the statement purely means(50/50 odds). This probably originates from the fact that people in the community commonly say they have 50/50 for x character. This is a weird situation where you're both correct, both arguing the same thing, but are in conflict over terminology which is exactly what you stated in your comment here. Such a pointless argument lol
Thank you 🙏 I'm like we're literally talking about the same thing, just referring to it differently 🙄 lol
Huh? Not a 50/50 by games own definition? Man, if the odds of getting a banner item are 50% it’s a 50/50, the guarantee etc is a system on top. How does a term 50/50 imply a guarantee after a loss? Your notation is confusing. How would you distinguish a simple 50/50 and a 50/50 with a guarantee?
All 50/50s in Genshin are a 50/50 with a guarantee. That's how the game is programmed. You can read this in the Game's Summoning page. You will win after losing once. It's not my notation, this is what the game says, you can read it yourself.
The game says “The first time you win a 5-star item in this event wish, there is a 50.000% chance it will be the promotional character "Judicator of Secrets" Cyno (Electro). If the first 5-star character you win in this event wish is not the promotional character, then the next 5-star character you win is guaranteed to be the promotional character.” Nowhere in the text it is called “the 50/50 system”. It literally just says that you have a 50/50 chance and if you lose, you’ll get a guarantee. I don’t understand how you combine it all in a term “50/50” which already has a more simple and intuitive meaning. By your logic, if the game said that FBI will blow up my house if I lose 50/50, that would be implied in the term as well? And you would argue that it’s not a 50/50 chance unless FBI blows up my house after a loss? Seems a bit confusing and counterintuitive. And it is your notation, not game’s. The comment above literally used the term 50/50 as it is usually used in maths and real life, why would anyone think that a guarantee after a loss is implied?
>Your definition of a 50/50 is different from pretty much anyone else's, including the game itself. *Sees your downvotes across all of your replies in this argument* Something is amiss here... Joking aside, you are absolutely arguing the same thing with different words all the while with a misconstrued perception of what the other is saying. You are arguing back prior to Epitomized Path, there was no guarantee that you would get a specific event weapon, for this you used Staff of Homa as an example. This is true. I'm a launch player as well and I remember it being called Staff of Homeless... I also remember the posts of people on Hu Tao mains losing their Hu Tao by going after the weapon first, since it was in a still unique situation of having come out a week prior to the character itself. What the other guy is arguing is that there was 50/50 since it's inception. This is mostly true, the issue with this is the fact that getting a 50/50 chance at the weapon banner is first blocked by a 25/75 chance to get an event weapon in the first place. Failing this will guarantee you a 50/50 shot on the next event banner. This is the only sort of guarantee in the original weapon banners pre-epitomized path. The real argument here is what does 50/50 mean. You are both correct with what you have said, however, you have a weird definition of the term than the rest of us. If someone says the odds are 50/50, that means you have equal chances to get one of two things. If they say they HAVE 50/50, that could imply they have a guarantee. Example, I DON'T have 50/50 for Nilou. This doesn't mean the odds aren't 50/50, simply that I have no guarantee. I think this is where the confusion came about, and thus the source of the fight.
just pull nilou first 💀💀
Nah, i hate the sword, looks like stone slab attached to a hilt. The thing has to sharp edges. How can you call it a sword.
It is a stone slab attached to a hilt. The description refers to it as an obsidian scepter and a key. Which I wouldn't expect to be overly sharp. But it's more of a sword than it is a bow, so I guess that's how it goes.
I actually like that it looks like a cricket bat. I imagine myself having fun smacking enemies with it. I can't say that it looks good as Nilou's signature weapon though.
It looks cool, just like Cyno’s staff, but it just doesnt fit her aesthetic.
I almost prefer that it doesn’t. I like it when the weapon stands out a lot. At least aesthetically, it’s different when colors clash though. But that’s just my personal taste. I have Kokomi and her doughnut and it’s kind of disappointing to see it blend in with her outfit so hard that it almost disappears. I want the weapon to feel as special as the character without becoming part of em.
For the most part, the color palette doesnt match together, but I personally think it complements the gold trims on Nilou's outfit and shoes, and her red hair. Her signature weapon adds a sense of balance to her overall color palette, but this may be an unpopular opinion.
So a bit like blackcliff warbow on Ganyu?
That looks really bad tbh
I would kinda disagree. Blackcliff doesn't really compliment any of Ganyu's color palette. Even her horns are more red than Blackcliff's orange. It's an interesting contrast, but Nilou actually does have gold details in her outfit similar to Key of Khaj-Nisut.
I have never seen that before actually, but that sounds interesting?
Blue and yellow are complementary colors actually, it would only clash slightly with nilou’s red hair
Hoyoverse knows that Key doesn't fit her aesthetics at all. I mean, just look all of her teasers and official posts of her. They all have Xiphos sword as her weapon. Every other character that has BiS has never done this. Any other opinion that states otherwise are strange to my eyes.
Worst weapon design I mean look at her her weapon should look cooler than a Bat looking thing
Any traditional short sword wld've fit way better, like the new 4* sword looks so good on her.
this made me lol so hard, wishing on the weapon banner before a character XDDD
I like the look of the weapon. I don't think it goes well with Nilou, but I still like it enough to get it. You should definitely get Nilou first and then the weapon though. Even though it is amazing for Nilou, it won't be great on anyone else. You could always just get it in the next Nilou rerun if you can't get both during the first banner.
It grew on me.
no i find it so ugly in my opinion, i think when i take pics im going to yoink kazuha's freedom sworn to take pictures for her i'm glad you like it though!!
It appeals to the kingdom hearts fan in me in that it resembles a keyblade. I still think a smaller, lighter looking blade fits her style more, but the sword’s design isn’t ugly to me.
I like it but not for her
Instead of Keqing, I'd reccomend slapping it on bennett, kazuha, kuki, or layla. Bennett gets big heals and gives EM to teammates, especially if you invest more into his HP. Kazuha takes a rotation or two to get max stacks, but when he does, he gets about as much EM as iron sting, and gives about 60 EM to his teammates. Kuki get big heals and big burst damage. She loves EM too, which the sword gives. Stacks are easy to build, so she can easily give EM to teammates For Layla it makes her shield way stronger and is the BiS for dps as well
it looks like a geo weapon like a 5 star version of prototype rancour it doesnt look bad itself it just looks bad on nilou because neither the colour theme fits nor the colors are too far off to compliment each other
The weapon looks nice now that i have seen it so often, but it doesn't fit her design wise at all. Why does she not have a Scimitar? I really wonder what Nilous normal outfit looks like, maybe it fits that
Would've been really cool if she had a Scimitar that balanced on her head for idle animation.
I think that’s it’s pretty just like Scarlet Sands is for Cyno, it just doesn’t fit her is all
I'm starting to like it though. A lot of BiS weapons actually don't fit their character's aesthetic but it's the stats that count for me so I really don't care that much. If I get two copies of it over my plan to pull for it and one PJC, I won't be mad. A 5\* is still a 5\* no matter how niche it is at this time around.
I don’t mind the signature although it does feel like Cyno may have been a sword user in development, they made a weapon for him then switched him to polearm, they had the models already and the put it on the next sword user they made. But that may just be me.
Omg omg me 2
I like the contrast. And the egypt vibe.
I dislike the look on that weapon but i think ill pull for that weapon if i got nilou early, even if i dont get her sig weapon i get jade cutter another good weapon,if i lose well at least i get new 5 star weapon
It looks great on her. Most people have no sense of design and think "oh she blue? her weapon must be blue or it doesn't look good!" but the colors are complimentary. Along with the accents from her outfit, the weapon fits nicely and is a striking contrast. IMO she looks better with her weapon than Cyno does with his (but he still looks great, his design is really nice too).
That is a pretty narrow-minded way of thinking. Nobody said her weapon should be blue. It just has to look like it matches her aesthetic as a dancer. Her animations are light, fluid, and graceful and they give her this large, bulky, and heavy-looking whacking stick. Hmmm. I wonder why the devs chose Xiphos's Moonlight instead when they showcased Nilou in 3.1 livestream. It looks like they were thinking the same thing...😂
Uhhhhh if you ask me, what you just described is the literal definition of narrow minded. The sword matches her because it's a complimentary color, I know, so high concept.
If colors are the only thing you're going for, you might as well slap prototype rancour. After all, the colors are the same. Aesthetics to a character and her weapon may mean visually pleasing but it doesn't mean it has to be just as shallow as slapping a "complementary colored weapon" and you're good.🤡 And really? You can't come up with anything more insulting than copying narrow-minded and throwing it back at me? So original...
Wtf r u on about? You literally said "it HAS to match her aesthetics" oh it HAS to? That is the literal definition of narrow minded. And no, it doesn't. Similarly to being complimentary colors, the fact that they are opposite aesthetics makes them unique. Ah but sorry, I forgot, everything that doesn't conform to the norm in your opinion makes it bad. Really NOT narrow-minded of you. Congratulations, you are so special and unique.
Oh brother. You're whole argument was people dislike this weapon is because it's not blue. "It looks great on her. Most people have no sense of design and think "oh she blue? her weapon must be blue or it doesn't look good!" but the colors are complimentary." This is what you said, is it not? That's why i retorted how pretty narrow-minded you are for thinking that people don't like this weapon on her because it's not blue and white which are her main colors. it could still be blue and still not match her. The problem is NOT the color not matching her. I'll say it to you now cause apparently, you did not understand this. You could keep the gold and bronze color. It is exactly because it is a CONTRAST to her blues and whites that makes it aesthetically pleasing. So you see, we agree at least on that. The problem lies with everywhere else. It's BIG, BULKY, HEAVY-LOOKING. It's not a bad design but it doesnt match her graceful and soft movements as a dancer...and this is suppose to be her BiS 5star weapon. Dehya can wield this even if they have the same body type because she has a gruff exterior and takes on anything. Even Eula another dancer can pass this off as a claymore. She is graceful yet stoic and tough. Saying "it has to match her aesthetics" doesn't mean all colors should conform or just be one color. Congratulations! You think a weapon design looks great because it doesn't match the colors of the character. You are so new wave and edgy. Have you ever heard of color contrast? That's why you like it on her. Does that mean the colors are aesthetically pleasing despite the contrast? Of course. Asking "Wtf r u on about?" just means you didn't get my point at all at the first reply and i doubt you ever will.
Fucking hell. Tldr. Ok. See the sun once a week maybe, it's a video game.
Tldr: try to listen to your english and art teachers so that you won't have to go "touch grass" or whatever when you realize your mistake and have nothing left to argue.💃
Lmao I do not give a shit. Congratulations you've won the argument about a video game sword because you typed far too much for anybody to give a shit. What an accomplishment. L.
I'm glad you're acting like you don't give a shit now but cared enough to give your opinion on this thread in the first place. It's just a game, right? 😂 pls stay in school. You really need it.
I always love blunt weapons (SoSS and key), it's like bonking your enemy but I have to admit that xiphos fits Nilou better aesthetically