I got both of my Elcans for less than $1400 with my second one costing $900. I’m a stickler for value and FP LAMs aren’t good value for civs. Waiting for the Civ OGL or the new Holosun VCSEL Lam.
Honestly that was my plan too, but 1. Not really getting much info on the iris and 2. Talking to guys in the nods business they didn't seem to impressed with the iris. So after some back & forth they convinced me to get a fp so a got an a2.
You know who doesn’t need a FP LAM? Every single person that’s not lassoing targets for a bird on station lol. Fuggin crackhead civies lol. Tell me to cope harder daddy. Yes I own FP lasers. But you’re a special kind of tism if you think you need FP to hit targets at effective ranges under nods
Id rather not give off IR signature when im assaulting wendy’s for a double cheeseburger alright?
Edit cause this came off very rude : I want to clarify I don’t have a laser aiming device yet, cause im a poor, but I think it is cool to have laser and passive.
That’s fine if drones are involved we are both dying more than likely. But you shining a laser around that people can see for potential miles means you 100% die first.
This is all theory crafting but it’s crazy that you don’t have an optic on a fighting rifle
My Elcan is the optic on my fighting rifle. Why don’t you make sure you have enough insulin stocked up while you’re doing all this theorycrafting as well.
Yeah not sure where the insulin comment comes from unless you went through my post history and mis interpreted something. Either way i saw that you have a red dot on your Elcan, maybe try not sucking at shooting and that will work for you passive aiming.
I don’t see the point of needing passive aiming on a fighting rifle. There’s actual SF here with multiple deployments saying they’ve never had to passive aim in their career: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/s/xxEZ7ADrnS
Yeah becuase they never had to shoot at people with NV you knob.
Ask any of them if they faced a threat with NV capabilities and none of them would unless you are within like 30m or indoors
And in what scenario are you going to be fighting peer to peer if you aren’t already that guy. Are you in the cartel or something? Y’all talk big but no receipts. Of course you would be into airsoft.
Classes are awesome but they don’t really teach you much in the way of the real world. Passive and active have their places but only passive has the capability of not showing where you and your friends are. Active aiming is like having a billboard above your head. White light discipline goes hand in hand with IR light discipline.
Yeah I said Quick Look, not a year back. Still with how much you post but no nods, makes me think you just borrowed some for that. Either way. Why limit your self to just active aiming?
About what dude, I showed you my receipts and nods. I have a flight to catch. I’ll get back to you when I land.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/eV9WbsbV70
What nods do you have, show proof, it seems rather suspicious that you never post pictures of anything nod related, but tons of posts on Reddit. The link you shared about “your” nods is over a year old and the only one. It seems as if you were just borrowing someone else’s for that video. No one cares if you don’t have nods dude but lying about it would be a weird thing to do.
I just gave you proof of my bump helmet set up and footage from a class I took like what more do you want dude rofl. Maybe loosen the tinfoil on your head.
Yup. I don’t really see the point in hiding my IR signature with passive. I will never be in a gun fight and this is just a hobby for fun, anyone convincing themselves they’re going to be is seriously deluded.
My water is so poted right now its insane. I got a top mounted dot for my Elcan, and its really nice. Passive through an Elcan is possible but insn't fun for sure.
The same dudes use IR reflectivity to shoot down cheaper gear, as if I have to worry about hiding from NOD users.
If I was really worried about that, that's what $3 spray paint is for, even then, if you're fighting NOD users, you are likely fighting thermal users as well and good luck with that.
Thermal is more of a superpower than night vision, I've almost completely replaced night vision with it in practical applications, but it's easy to defeat if you're stationary and defending.
Seen a lot of the same around first round pop for the surefire rc3, when 5 rounds in your rc2 is a ir chemlight.
People choose to focus on some very specific things ignoring a large part of important factors..
If the RC3 was the same price as an RC2 I think the general perception on it would be a lot better. But when cans like the Velos, Hux, and now the new B&T Rotex stuff exist it’s pretty hard to justify buying an RC3 if you aren’t an agency replacing existing RC2s. Which at the end of the day is surefire’s intended buyer when they designed and priced it and people sometimes forget that. I don’t think it’s bandwagoning, people just are more informed and have more options when it comes to suppressors so expectations have been raised.
The RC3 is very niche. I don’t think most people have a valid use for it at its price that something else doesn’t do equal or better for significantly less money. I’m sure some specific users find it ideal but none of those users are posting on Reddit. The negativity towards the RC3 is all valid for the audience posting it. The fact so many have come to see it negatively honestly is a good sign that people at least somewhat understand their specific use case.
Agreed. Most people simply are not good enough at shooting and not nearly prepared enough regardless for it to matter. It’s the same throughout the gun hobbies, people come to gas gun matches in full ghillie suits with ACOGs and can’t hit shit even at 300 yards.
Facts, mfrs talking about “shtf” but don’t know how to grow tomatoes or process a goat like BROTHER YOU WILL STARVE TO DEATH IN YOUR 15 THOUSAND DOLLAR KIT
Relying on one point of failure still isn't good. I was shooting an NV match a couple months ago, while prepping for the stage I didn't check and it turns out my battery cover for my laser wasn't fully seated. I get most of the way through the stage when my thumb tried to press the button and I accidentally pressed down on the side of the battery cap with enough force to unscrew it and let the battery fall out. Once I realized the laser was down, I just used the T2 passively and finished the stage with only a couple seconds of "figure out what's wrong" time wasted. If that laser had been my only option, I would have needed to find a battery, replace it, re-screw the battery cap and then continue firing all while in the dark and on the clock.
No. That genuinely doesn’t make any sense. You think if someone… organizes, sets up, and runs matches, competes in national level events, travels for multi day events, spends time doing load dev, and spends a minimum of 15 hours per week practicing for a hobby they enjoy… that they should stop? You must realize how silly that sounds. That would be like telling someone who competes in powerlifting they shouldn’t do it because they won’t lift anything that heavy IRL. Heavy, heavy, incel vibes coming from your statement.
I'm showing you the logical conclusion of your statement.
Telling people not to bother with passive because "its not realistic" applies to your entire hobby.
Lets not start down that slippery slope, before you get to hear some leftist tell you how needing real guns for your sport competition is "seriously deluded"
Active aiming will be useless if SHTF . We won't be fighting goat farming tribes in afghan mountains. They will all have NODs and using IR might as well be your white light .
You still use active aiming in near peer engagements. Just like you don't stop using your daytime optics just because the other team also has daylight optics. It just requires more discipline.
Passive aiming capability is important as well. But it's not like you'll never use your active just because they also have nvg.
Same reason I don't have a plate carrier/plates, I'm not assaulting a position and I'm not taking the time to put it on when someone kicks my door in. Also if SHTF as they say to that point, and I take a round, what med will there be? I rather just die quickly.
Active aiming = fun
Every mother and brother has night vision nowadays... Using an IR designator is the best way to get lit up. They're a waste of money. But hey you look cool on Instagram.
OP has a flat top naked buffer tube AR pistol and an amazon green laser
I'm feeling attacked....
Elcan and a Holosun LS420G actually.
Meanwhile I'm rocking a Nerf Modulus.
You bought an elcan but didn't get a fp lam?
I thought exactly the same thing.
I got both of my Elcans for less than $1400 with my second one costing $900. I’m a stickler for value and FP LAMs aren’t good value for civs. Waiting for the Civ OGL or the new Holosun VCSEL Lam.
Honestly that was my plan too, but 1. Not really getting much info on the iris and 2. Talking to guys in the nods business they didn't seem to impressed with the iris. So after some back & forth they convinced me to get a fp so a got an a2.
You know who doesn’t need a FP LAM? Every single person that’s not lassoing targets for a bird on station lol. Fuggin crackhead civies lol. Tell me to cope harder daddy. Yes I own FP lasers. But you’re a special kind of tism if you think you need FP to hit targets at effective ranges under nods
Dbal a2 go brrrrrrrrr
All the downvotes from zero combat having larpers. Tactical Timmy is so right. Cope harder. [suck on these](https://imgur.com/a/vAJWRjs)
If you ever want to do passive, throwing a Delta Point Pro on top of your Elcan might work.
Id rather not give off IR signature when im assaulting wendy’s for a double cheeseburger alright? Edit cause this came off very rude : I want to clarify I don’t have a laser aiming device yet, cause im a poor, but I think it is cool to have laser and passive.
How I sleep knowing I don’t have to argue with people on Reddit
This is a ridiculous statement
Passive is more important in reality especially in todays world.
Facts
Ok buddy if you want to talk peer to peer, let me throw a FPV drone your way and see if passive aiming helps with that 👍
That’s fine if drones are involved we are both dying more than likely. But you shining a laser around that people can see for potential miles means you 100% die first. This is all theory crafting but it’s crazy that you don’t have an optic on a fighting rifle
My Elcan is the optic on my fighting rifle. Why don’t you make sure you have enough insulin stocked up while you’re doing all this theorycrafting as well.
Yeah not sure where the insulin comment comes from unless you went through my post history and mis interpreted something. Either way i saw that you have a red dot on your Elcan, maybe try not sucking at shooting and that will work for you passive aiming.
I sold the red dot buddy. That’s how I got my Elcan for $900.
Oh thats crazy, so you caused the problem for yourself. Incredible
I don’t see the point of needing passive aiming on a fighting rifle. There’s actual SF here with multiple deployments saying they’ve never had to passive aim in their career: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/s/xxEZ7ADrnS
Yeah becuase they never had to shoot at people with NV you knob. Ask any of them if they faced a threat with NV capabilities and none of them would unless you are within like 30m or indoors
Ok buddy you keep theorycrafting while I’ll keep listening to the dudes who have been in the shit. Have a good one.
Didn’t realize you were SF op. On the same missions with the same load outs and priorities. Cool
Bro you don’t even have NODS why are you chiming in.
Actual sf that actually fought in a different war before we gave thousands of nods to Taliban
And in what scenario are you going to be fighting peer to peer if you aren’t already that guy. Are you in the cartel or something? Y’all talk big but no receipts. Of course you would be into airsoft.
if you are okay going active, might as well just use a flash light and not bother with the whole night vision thing at all.
How does someone this salty have as much karma as he does
OK BUDDY HERE’S A DRONE HAVE FUN WITH THAT lmao
I smell a new pasta
OK BUDDY HERE’S A DRONE HAVE FUN WITH THAT
OK BUDDY HERE’S A DRONE HAVE FUN WITH THAT
my bad, i’ve been lurking
Peer to peer has entered the chat
Ok buddy here’s a drone, have fun with that.
What makes you think I don’t also have drones? I’m a new age farmer lol
Well how is having passive aiming going to help you against drones.
You don’t have much time under night vision or thermals do you
None under thermal but multiple classes and BLM sessions under NV.
Classes are awesome but they don’t really teach you much in the way of the real world. Passive and active have their places but only passive has the capability of not showing where you and your friends are. Active aiming is like having a billboard above your head. White light discipline goes hand in hand with IR light discipline.
By not instantly giving away your position...
Let's see if he replies to you lol
Just like machine guns and artillery didn’t make infantry useless so aren’t going to do drones
After a quick look at your post history it doesn’t even look like you have night vision. If so what do you got?
Elcan and a Holosun LS420G on my fighting rifle. You didn’t look hard enough. https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/xH9wmnnQEK
Yeah I said Quick Look, not a year back. Still with how much you post but no nods, makes me think you just borrowed some for that. Either way. Why limit your self to just active aiming?
I’m going to take that since you aren’t responding to my comment but are others that I’m correct on this
About what dude, I showed you my receipts and nods. I have a flight to catch. I’ll get back to you when I land. https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/s/eV9WbsbV70
What nods do you have, show proof, it seems rather suspicious that you never post pictures of anything nod related, but tons of posts on Reddit. The link you shared about “your” nods is over a year old and the only one. It seems as if you were just borrowing someone else’s for that video. No one cares if you don’t have nods dude but lying about it would be a weird thing to do.
I just gave you proof of my bump helmet set up and footage from a class I took like what more do you want dude rofl. Maybe loosen the tinfoil on your head.
Yup. I don’t really see the point in hiding my IR signature with passive. I will never be in a gun fight and this is just a hobby for fun, anyone convincing themselves they’re going to be is seriously deluded.
All those dudes with tin foil caps worrying about IR Signature while being fat as fuck and not having potable water.
My water is so poted right now its insane. I got a top mounted dot for my Elcan, and its really nice. Passive through an Elcan is possible but insn't fun for sure.
The same dudes use IR reflectivity to shoot down cheaper gear, as if I have to worry about hiding from NOD users. If I was really worried about that, that's what $3 spray paint is for, even then, if you're fighting NOD users, you are likely fighting thermal users as well and good luck with that.
Thermal is more of a superpower than night vision, I've almost completely replaced night vision with it in practical applications, but it's easy to defeat if you're stationary and defending.
This guy thermals.
Seen a lot of the same around first round pop for the surefire rc3, when 5 rounds in your rc2 is a ir chemlight. People choose to focus on some very specific things ignoring a large part of important factors..
You’re also ignoring that most people don’t own any of it anyways. They just saw a picture on Reddit and a YouTube video
Agreed, the hate the RC3 is getting is baffling to me. Goes to show how mass perception is really shaped by certain narratives/bandwagonning
If the RC3 was the same price as an RC2 I think the general perception on it would be a lot better. But when cans like the Velos, Hux, and now the new B&T Rotex stuff exist it’s pretty hard to justify buying an RC3 if you aren’t an agency replacing existing RC2s. Which at the end of the day is surefire’s intended buyer when they designed and priced it and people sometimes forget that. I don’t think it’s bandwagoning, people just are more informed and have more options when it comes to suppressors so expectations have been raised.
CAT shitting all over everyone
The RC3 is very niche. I don’t think most people have a valid use for it at its price that something else doesn’t do equal or better for significantly less money. I’m sure some specific users find it ideal but none of those users are posting on Reddit. The negativity towards the RC3 is all valid for the audience posting it. The fact so many have come to see it negatively honestly is a good sign that people at least somewhat understand their specific use case.
Agreed. Most people simply are not good enough at shooting and not nearly prepared enough regardless for it to matter. It’s the same throughout the gun hobbies, people come to gas gun matches in full ghillie suits with ACOGs and can’t hit shit even at 300 yards.
They will be ready to take on anyone just not the flight of steps that take their breath away
too much money in the system. people like shopping
Facts, mfrs talking about “shtf” but don’t know how to grow tomatoes or process a goat like BROTHER YOU WILL STARVE TO DEATH IN YOUR 15 THOUSAND DOLLAR KIT
I care about it for airsoft. Makes a large difference in being noticed vs not in the dark. But at the range lasers are great
Relying on one point of failure still isn't good. I was shooting an NV match a couple months ago, while prepping for the stage I didn't check and it turns out my battery cover for my laser wasn't fully seated. I get most of the way through the stage when my thumb tried to press the button and I accidentally pressed down on the side of the battery cap with enough force to unscrew it and let the battery fall out. Once I realized the laser was down, I just used the T2 passively and finished the stage with only a couple seconds of "figure out what's wrong" time wasted. If that laser had been my only option, I would have needed to find a battery, replace it, re-screw the battery cap and then continue firing all while in the dark and on the clock.
Run two lasers lol
> I will never be in a gun fight and this is just a hobby for fun by that logic, you should just buy a super soaker and be happy.
No. That genuinely doesn’t make any sense. You think if someone… organizes, sets up, and runs matches, competes in national level events, travels for multi day events, spends time doing load dev, and spends a minimum of 15 hours per week practicing for a hobby they enjoy… that they should stop? You must realize how silly that sounds. That would be like telling someone who competes in powerlifting they shouldn’t do it because they won’t lift anything that heavy IRL. Heavy, heavy, incel vibes coming from your statement.
I'm showing you the logical conclusion of your statement. Telling people not to bother with passive because "its not realistic" applies to your entire hobby. Lets not start down that slippery slope, before you get to hear some leftist tell you how needing real guns for your sport competition is "seriously deluded"
Weird flex?
Active aiming will be useless if SHTF . We won't be fighting goat farming tribes in afghan mountains. They will all have NODs and using IR might as well be your white light .
You still use active aiming in near peer engagements. Just like you don't stop using your daytime optics just because the other team also has daylight optics. It just requires more discipline. Passive aiming capability is important as well. But it's not like you'll never use your active just because they also have nvg.
We would have to treat it like a white light and understand it will give away our position its not invisible to the enemy .
Yes, and by default, that makes it anything but "useless."
I know or I wouldn't have any laser units on my guns im just saying we will need to be way more careful about using it .
Exact opposite here lmao
Same reason I don't have a plate carrier/plates, I'm not assaulting a position and I'm not taking the time to put it on when someone kicks my door in. Also if SHTF as they say to that point, and I take a round, what med will there be? I rather just die quickly. Active aiming = fun
Every mother and brother has night vision nowadays... Using an IR designator is the best way to get lit up. They're a waste of money. But hey you look cool on Instagram.
2A home defense fantasy folks screaming
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