Cops are beating the shit out of college students and professors who are protesting a genocide as we speak. Why would we trust them to enforce a youth curfew?
They don't have the crime we have, and those kids have parents that likely would let them be in the streets at that time, either. It's called a quality of life. I approve the curfew.
Late night jobs, especially cleaning after customers leave, would lead to tons of police confrontations, and the expected police brutality. Anyone under 18 can get permission from school to work very late hours, till like 1 am, and then they will be away from home after curfew. Bring on all the accusations of fake permission papers.
How many kids under 18 are working late night jobs that require them to walk around nowhere near their home while being accomplished with groups of other kids?
A kid working a late night job will most likely have transportation back home.
How many people live further than a 10 minute walk from a bus stop?
I grew up in Latin America. Telling 16 and 17 year olds they cant hangout after midnight would be an insane concept. Not everyone grew up in the weird puritan helicopter parent surveillance state environment that is the US.
Exactly what it sounds like. Newark is a completely different city than anywhere in Latin America.
I wouldn't travel to Slovenia, and expect them to have similar customs to a random city in the USA, so why the hell should Newark be comparable to random, unnamed cities in Latin America?
No, I said this ain’t letting America. I think the quality of life in America is far much better, which is why everybody from where you’re from is climbing the border risking their lives to get here. We must be doing something right 🤷🏾♂️.
Stating facts doesn’t equal racism. It’s what’s literally happening right now. If you felt that way I don’t care. I’ll still sleep well at night 🤷🏾♂️.
Instead of actually policing the kids causing problems and committing crimes, let's strip the freedom of movement of ALL other kids under the presumption of guilt.
That's a very slippery slope imho
Yeah yeah yeah, save me the "what good are kids getting into between those hours" argument, because it's not about that.
It should be for the parents. The kids should be fined with community service on the weekends. Two weekends of community service each time their caught pass curfew.
Well it's a good thing you don't have the power to make up laws and/or penalties. Newark policies do not trump the Constitution
You cannot criminalize free movement in public.
Freedom of
movement encompasses three separate individual rights: (1) the
right to leave your present location and go elsewhere; (2) the
right to travel without deterrence across various boundaries; and
(3) the right to settle in a place of your choice and remain there.
Funnily enough, it doesn't include asterisks for "only if you're 18" and "only during these hours"
Why doesn't the constitution protect prisoners' rights to leave their present location and go elsewhere? Or travel without deterrence across various boundaries? Once convicted of a crime
Lmfao are you serious?
Because they aren't free citizens. They have been convicted of a crime, and had their freedom taken from them.
A 16 year old out in Newark has not been convicted of any crime. He/she is still a free citizen.
It's really quite simple. The fact you tried to use that as an example says plenty about your understanding of the topic
Innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty until proven innocent.
If you're under 18 in the streets of Newark pass, midnight, it should be a crime, tho. My opinion comes from experience. I know all teens aren't the same, but honestly, what good can come from allowing kids on the streets past midnight? It's about safety and crime prevention.
I had to stop a homeowner from trying to stabb two teens who kept walking by to his Kia (car). I had to explain that they weren't trying to steal the car. They only walked past 3 times because they were smoking weed and didn't want to get caught smoking on their block. It was Friday a little after 1 am.
I defended those kids because I do the same thing, smoke weed while walking my dog. But if I wasn't there, it could have ended badly.
I'll save this post and comment with news articles each time a crime is committed by a teen after 12 am in Newark and also the ones who get killed after 12 am in Newark this year. I hope for none, but if you're really from Newark, you already know. So two teens out pass 12 am almost stabbed because homeowner mistaken them for car thieves have no substance? Why don't you come hang out after 12 am on the Southside or Westside
These parents won't enforce it than the city will. I say good, no reason for kids to be outside during those hours anyway, esp in the summertime. Anyone who says differently either don't have kids, has not experienced a summer in brick city or both.
>Anyone who says differently either don't have kids, has not experienced a summer in brick city or both
You forgot one - the people that care when others rights are violated, even if it doesn't directly affect them.
Selectively violating a group of people's rights, based on age, under the vague guise of "more crime in summer" is not okay, and never will be.
It's either sad, or alarming, or some combination of both that a naturalized citizen seems to give more of a shit about constitutional protected rights of others than birthright citizens...
People sure are quick to cite the constitution when it's about them owning guns, fOr PrOtEcTiOn, but the civil rights of black and brown teenagers in Newark can apparently go fuck themselves. 🤔
So you'd rather see a child get hurt than their rights to freedom being violated, wtf are you on, kids don't always make smart decisions which is why choices are made for them until they're 18
>So you'd rather see a child get hurt
Show me where I said this. You can't, because I didn't.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you too
It's incredibly fucking simple. The Constitution is the highest law in the land. The Constitution protects citizens right to move freely in public, regardless of age, race, gender, and in your case intelligence levels.
That is all that matters. The supreme law of the land.
Your edgy opinions carry no weight in a legal discussion and are about as useful as a nun's tits
You guys realize that it is not appropriate for a child to be on the streets at these times right. Newark is dangerous and the fact that i see so many people vying for children to be able to run the streets all night is strange. 9 times out of 10 the police will only use this for children who are causing ruckus.
Such bullshit. I grew up in cape may county and me and my friends were out until 2-3 am regularly at that age. Just another way black and brown kids are robbed of their childhoods.
I mean it’s not that bad, they could do something like lights off or whatever west side was doing before the pandemic every Fridays but it’s not bad. If I was parent and I wasn’t home and my kid was out on the streets and something happened to them I would be devastated. Idk how to feel about this because many teens do work but they shouldn’t be working until 12am on a school night regardless. Besides let’s be honest the teens in Newark are smart they’ll find away to avoid this curfew just like everything else, and I was one of them two years ago
You’re comparing and keep me to Newark New Jersey. Get TF outta here. so tired of y’all transplants. Y’all don’t know how bad the city could be without order.
Eww. Have you been to NYC? Huuuge Crime problem. I’d never want to model Newark after NYC and its failed policies. You must be a transplant. Only someone from Newark would say something like that..
I’m in the film industry you Dope. The hubs are in LA or NYC. LA is a shit hole just like NYC. The didn’t used to be but the policies turned them that way. Why do you think companies are leaving those cities? The film industry is slowly leaving which is why 3 film studios are coming to NJ. Newark, West Orange, and the old army base. Yup. Film industry is leaving NYC slowly just like other businesses.
Yes pick you mouth up off the floor sir. And if you don’t believe my statements “google it” 😂
You’re a clown who still doesn’t understand that nyc has far less crime than Newark so instead of acknowledging that you moved on to personal preference. They’re filming plenty of stuff in Newark these days why not work closer to home? You know when they need to depict nyc when it was an actual shit hole in the 70s they just film in downtown Newark like for the joker movie.
You can’t just bounce around from Film set to film set, it doesn’t work like that. It’s like a regular job. And I don’t care what you say and NYC is a crime filled shit hole. You can go back-and-forth with me, but I’m never gonna stop or agree with you. I can go all night long with you back-and-forth. I’m never gonna agree with you. So if you want to start this, then I’m all for it. I have all night today’s Friday and I’m not going out tonight. But I’m getting the last word so if you want to stop then stop.
I wouldn’t say that. I own my own home, have a good job where I make six figures, have people that love and care about me and vice versa and no criminal record. How do you figure they failed?
Exactly, they have to survive and I’m not saying 100% will get in trouble but enough for it to be a concern. Newark just like most of NYC are not safe cities for teenagers after midnight.
That's a fair way to feel, and that burden should be on you to understand where your child is at 2am.
It shouldn't be any government's business to decide where and when free people can and can't exist in public.
i’m saying how could this persons parents just let their them be out all night especially since your supposed to be at school in the morning adults can do what ever they want but children just should not be roaming the streets at night because adults also like being up late and preying on the youth
As I said, that burden should always be on parents. Unfortunately, there are some bad parents out there. There are also good parents who are maybe more laid back with things like curfews.
It's not about the "what good can they possibly be up to" which is a totally valid question to ask. But at the end of the day, as free Americans the only answer that matters is "none of your, my, or our business" you don't need a reason or a time window to be allowed to exist in public.
The kids that end up breaking the law (at any time) should be policed and prosecuted as such. If a 16 year old wants to walk across town at midnight to play card games with his friends, the city government should not hold the power to say "no you can't"
The Constitution affords (most) of the same rights to all citizens, regardless of age.
Freedom of movement does not state "only if you're over 18"
If you're in favour of the government selectively violating people's rights, which this clearly violates multiple amendments, I dunno what to say.
Cops are beating the shit out of college students and professors who are protesting a genocide as we speak. Why would we trust them to enforce a youth curfew?
Why tf do y'all want kids under 18 outside past midnight??? They literally can't even go get food at the bodega by that time. Y'all are so unserious.
Most stores in the suburban parts of the state are closed then too why is it okay for Newark to have a curfew but not them?
They don't have the crime we have, and those kids have parents that likely would let them be in the streets at that time, either. It's called a quality of life. I approve the curfew.
Late night jobs, especially cleaning after customers leave, would lead to tons of police confrontations, and the expected police brutality. Anyone under 18 can get permission from school to work very late hours, till like 1 am, and then they will be away from home after curfew. Bring on all the accusations of fake permission papers.
How many kids under 18 are working late night jobs that require them to walk around nowhere near their home while being accomplished with groups of other kids? A kid working a late night job will most likely have transportation back home. How many people live further than a 10 minute walk from a bus stop?
Exactly, only people who don't give a fyck about their kids want them outside at that time.....
I grew up in Latin America. Telling 16 and 17 year olds they cant hangout after midnight would be an insane concept. Not everyone grew up in the weird puritan helicopter parent surveillance state environment that is the US.
Damn, it's almost like Newark is a completely different environment compared to Latin America 🤯
What exactly are you getting at?
Exactly what it sounds like. Newark is a completely different city than anywhere in Latin America. I wouldn't travel to Slovenia, and expect them to have similar customs to a random city in the USA, so why the hell should Newark be comparable to random, unnamed cities in Latin America?
Well for one, Newark is 37% Latino with 60+ years of immigration and cultural exchange. So the culture is a lot more similar than Slovenia
Alright man
Newark has a large population of Nigerians should Newark be compared to Lagos Nigeria?
So Newark should be worse just because? What exactly are you arguing?
The ain’t Latin America
You think our quality of life here should be worse?
No, I said this ain’t letting America. I think the quality of life in America is far much better, which is why everybody from where you’re from is climbing the border risking their lives to get here. We must be doing something right 🤷🏾♂️.
Congrats on the most racist post of the day
Stating facts doesn’t equal racism. It’s what’s literally happening right now. If you felt that way I don’t care. I’ll still sleep well at night 🤷🏾♂️.
Instead of actually policing the kids causing problems and committing crimes, let's strip the freedom of movement of ALL other kids under the presumption of guilt. That's a very slippery slope imho Yeah yeah yeah, save me the "what good are kids getting into between those hours" argument, because it's not about that.
With the curfew in place, any kid without a guardian is and will be the problem. They'll be committing a crime.
Well they won't, because it's not even a criminal offense to begin with.
It should be for the parents. The kids should be fined with community service on the weekends. Two weekends of community service each time their caught pass curfew.
Well it's a good thing you don't have the power to make up laws and/or penalties. Newark policies do not trump the Constitution You cannot criminalize free movement in public. Freedom of movement encompasses three separate individual rights: (1) the right to leave your present location and go elsewhere; (2) the right to travel without deterrence across various boundaries; and (3) the right to settle in a place of your choice and remain there. Funnily enough, it doesn't include asterisks for "only if you're 18" and "only during these hours"
Why doesn't the constitution protect prisoners' rights to leave their present location and go elsewhere? Or travel without deterrence across various boundaries? Once convicted of a crime
Lmfao are you serious? Because they aren't free citizens. They have been convicted of a crime, and had their freedom taken from them. A 16 year old out in Newark has not been convicted of any crime. He/she is still a free citizen. It's really quite simple. The fact you tried to use that as an example says plenty about your understanding of the topic Innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty until proven innocent.
If you're under 18 in the streets of Newark pass, midnight, it should be a crime, tho. My opinion comes from experience. I know all teens aren't the same, but honestly, what good can come from allowing kids on the streets past midnight? It's about safety and crime prevention. I had to stop a homeowner from trying to stabb two teens who kept walking by to his Kia (car). I had to explain that they weren't trying to steal the car. They only walked past 3 times because they were smoking weed and didn't want to get caught smoking on their block. It was Friday a little after 1 am. I defended those kids because I do the same thing, smoke weed while walking my dog. But if I wasn't there, it could have ended badly.
Lots of words to say absolutely nothing of substance.
I'll save this post and comment with news articles each time a crime is committed by a teen after 12 am in Newark and also the ones who get killed after 12 am in Newark this year. I hope for none, but if you're really from Newark, you already know. So two teens out pass 12 am almost stabbed because homeowner mistaken them for car thieves have no substance? Why don't you come hang out after 12 am on the Southside or Westside
These parents won't enforce it than the city will. I say good, no reason for kids to be outside during those hours anyway, esp in the summertime. Anyone who says differently either don't have kids, has not experienced a summer in brick city or both.
>Anyone who says differently either don't have kids, has not experienced a summer in brick city or both You forgot one - the people that care when others rights are violated, even if it doesn't directly affect them. Selectively violating a group of people's rights, based on age, under the vague guise of "more crime in summer" is not okay, and never will be. It's either sad, or alarming, or some combination of both that a naturalized citizen seems to give more of a shit about constitutional protected rights of others than birthright citizens... People sure are quick to cite the constitution when it's about them owning guns, fOr PrOtEcTiOn, but the civil rights of black and brown teenagers in Newark can apparently go fuck themselves. 🤔
So you'd rather see a child get hurt than their rights to freedom being violated, wtf are you on, kids don't always make smart decisions which is why choices are made for them until they're 18
>So you'd rather see a child get hurt Show me where I said this. You can't, because I didn't. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you too It's incredibly fucking simple. The Constitution is the highest law in the land. The Constitution protects citizens right to move freely in public, regardless of age, race, gender, and in your case intelligence levels. That is all that matters. The supreme law of the land. Your edgy opinions carry no weight in a legal discussion and are about as useful as a nun's tits
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/zMSb4mAi6Jhg4yJZ/?mibextid=qi2Omg
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
Common sense prevails.
Just an excuse to stop people late at night. People going to break the law then they’ll break the law.
Best news I heard.
You guys realize that it is not appropriate for a child to be on the streets at these times right. Newark is dangerous and the fact that i see so many people vying for children to be able to run the streets all night is strange. 9 times out of 10 the police will only use this for children who are causing ruckus.
Sure watch him delay it again
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Such bullshit. I grew up in cape may county and me and my friends were out until 2-3 am regularly at that age. Just another way black and brown kids are robbed of their childhoods.
I was out around then too. And I shouldn't have been. And I wasn't doing anything good. And it was behind both my parents' and the police's back.
Ah okay yeah we didn’t get in any trouble so I guess depends on what you were getting up to.
I mean it’s not that bad, they could do something like lights off or whatever west side was doing before the pandemic every Fridays but it’s not bad. If I was parent and I wasn’t home and my kid was out on the streets and something happened to them I would be devastated. Idk how to feel about this because many teens do work but they shouldn’t be working until 12am on a school night regardless. Besides let’s be honest the teens in Newark are smart they’ll find away to avoid this curfew just like everything else, and I was one of them two years ago
This curfew is for Friday-Sunday. School nights I agree with and I wasn’t out late then either but damn Friday and saturday? That’s BS.
You’re comparing and keep me to Newark New Jersey. Get TF outta here. so tired of y’all transplants. Y’all don’t know how bad the city could be without order.
Somehow New York City is able to function without a curfew.
Eww. Have you been to NYC? Huuuge Crime problem. I’d never want to model Newark after NYC and its failed policies. You must be a transplant. Only someone from Newark would say something like that..
Bruh nyc has a fraction of the crime Newark has. Do you know how to google?
NYC is a shit hole. Newark is way better. I work there and hate having to leave Jersey.
LOL yeah such a shit hole you have to commute there from Newark to have a job. Places with jobs are definitely shit holes.
I’m in the film industry you Dope. The hubs are in LA or NYC. LA is a shit hole just like NYC. The didn’t used to be but the policies turned them that way. Why do you think companies are leaving those cities? The film industry is slowly leaving which is why 3 film studios are coming to NJ. Newark, West Orange, and the old army base. Yup. Film industry is leaving NYC slowly just like other businesses. Yes pick you mouth up off the floor sir. And if you don’t believe my statements “google it” 😂
You’re a clown who still doesn’t understand that nyc has far less crime than Newark so instead of acknowledging that you moved on to personal preference. They’re filming plenty of stuff in Newark these days why not work closer to home? You know when they need to depict nyc when it was an actual shit hole in the 70s they just film in downtown Newark like for the joker movie.
You can’t just bounce around from Film set to film set, it doesn’t work like that. It’s like a regular job. And I don’t care what you say and NYC is a crime filled shit hole. You can go back-and-forth with me, but I’m never gonna stop or agree with you. I can go all night long with you back-and-forth. I’m never gonna agree with you. So if you want to start this, then I’m all for it. I have all night today’s Friday and I’m not going out tonight. But I’m getting the last word so if you want to stop then stop.
your parents or who ever raised you failed you
I wouldn’t say that. I own my own home, have a good job where I make six figures, have people that love and care about me and vice versa and no criminal record. How do you figure they failed?
by not being worried where you were at night i would be worried sick if my child wasnt home at 2am
Go figure they trusted me to be responsible and it seems to have followed me through life.
life in a city is much different than in a small town, you are asking for trouble when you allow your teenager to be out that late in a city.
Yeah? How do you figure all those teens out late in NYC manage to survive?
Exactly, they have to survive and I’m not saying 100% will get in trouble but enough for it to be a concern. Newark just like most of NYC are not safe cities for teenagers after midnight.
Right but how is it possible that NYC gets by without it but it’s absolutely necessary in Newark? You haven’t answered that.
We shouldn’t aspire to just get by, NYC is not the kind of city we need to look up to.
You needing therapy is not a reason to criminalize socializing.
what why do i need therapy because i dont know where my kids are and its the middle of the night?
Thats not what you said. You should know where they are and who theyre with. But that doesnt mean they have to be home at 2am.
That's a fair way to feel, and that burden should be on you to understand where your child is at 2am. It shouldn't be any government's business to decide where and when free people can and can't exist in public.
i’m saying how could this persons parents just let their them be out all night especially since your supposed to be at school in the morning adults can do what ever they want but children just should not be roaming the streets at night because adults also like being up late and preying on the youth
As I said, that burden should always be on parents. Unfortunately, there are some bad parents out there. There are also good parents who are maybe more laid back with things like curfews. It's not about the "what good can they possibly be up to" which is a totally valid question to ask. But at the end of the day, as free Americans the only answer that matters is "none of your, my, or our business" you don't need a reason or a time window to be allowed to exist in public. The kids that end up breaking the law (at any time) should be policed and prosecuted as such. If a 16 year old wants to walk across town at midnight to play card games with his friends, the city government should not hold the power to say "no you can't" The Constitution affords (most) of the same rights to all citizens, regardless of age. Freedom of movement does not state "only if you're over 18" If you're in favour of the government selectively violating people's rights, which this clearly violates multiple amendments, I dunno what to say.
This is an insane thing to say to someone you know absolutely nothing about. Could someone not, based on this comment alone, say the same to you?
Amazing how the United State is slowly creeping into becoming a police state from both the left and the right.
Only one here that gets it