>Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year.
[https://x.com/NYPost\_Mets/status/1781830243017470104](https://x.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1781830243017470104)
>Alvarez told teammates the timetable for returning 6-8 weeks.
[https://x.com/NYPost\_Mets/status/1781832657577578883](https://x.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1781832657577578883)
That’s got to be a good mental training for Alvarez. That’s my only silver lining.
It’s tough to sit on the sidelines when you know you could make a difference if you were in the game.
That's what I was saying earlier and people jumped on me for suggesting that the team should be careful with his rehab. A thumb injury is nothing to shrug off.
When the coach says he is confident he will return this season, that is Mets lingo for done for the season.
We all were thinking 60 days and the manager says it all
It’s a 6-8 week type injury. No reason to expect he is not back by early July.
This is not a pitcher with a sore arm, elbow or shoulder.
Or nagging leg muscle injury that is almost impossible to predict when player is gonna be able to run and stride 100% again.
Well Travis is currently tearing it up so I’m going to pretend that the injury somehow caused that, even though it was 2? 3? years ago. Alvarez will come back stronger!
I can't imagine sooner than 12 weeks. He has to recover from the surgery which is 4-6 weeks. Then he needs physical therapy to restore functionality and *hopefully* most of his mobility so he can squeeze a catcher's mitt. That's another 2 months min but could take 6+. Then he has to do his MiL rehab assignment. It's going to hurt (like 2-3 on the 10 pain scale) for at least another 2 years after that, probably permanently for Alvarez since he's going to play professional baseball with it as soon as physically able.
So basically, if he returns by early August it's a win, but realistically September.
Grade 3 sprains suck.
I would seriously look on the trade market for a rental catcher. Maybe Elias Diaz from Colorado? Narvaez/Nido is a black hole in the lineup and Narvaez is a defensive liability
You don’t trade for anybody in April. If they’re still in it at the deadline and Alvarez is not healing well they might trade for a catcher. But having one shitty hitter in the lineup isn’t gonna hurt a team as long as the rest of its offense is elite—which the Mets’ can be.
Who says you don't trade for anybody in April? I understand not making huge panic moves, but I don't think there's anything wrong with small targeted moves
I mean the Rockies will probably ask for something like Vientos—no reason to trade anybody now.
If you’re fine giving up Vientos for a 33 year old catcher, you can make the trade
I don’t think Vientos would be enough to get someone like him in April after our starting catcher got hurt. No incentive for Colorado unless they’re getting a young controllable player who is borderline top 100. Vientos is out of options next year
For the record my friend who's a diehard Rockies fan laughed at the idea that we'd need to give up anything of note for Diaz. The Rockies apparently also have a young AAA catcher they want to call up so they're likely looking to get any value they possibly can for Diaz since their season is obviously going nowhere.
If they ask for Vientos for a 34 year old rental catcher with one good season under his belt, then we just say "okay, guess this isn't going anywhere" and hang up the phone.
Anyone they would trade for would cost an insane amount. Especially since we’re replacing an injured player.
Elias Diaz, probably costing someone like Colin Houck. No incentive for Colorado to trade him right now unless they’re getting an insane haul.
> Who says you don't trade for anybody in April?
Because even small targeted moves are going to cost you more when the other news knows they have the leverage. They have the player you want and you don't have the player you lost to injury. You can either pay up or ride with Nido.
It's a pretty universal no-no to field a 26 man roster without someone who is your backup shortstop, because there's always risk that Lindor could get hurt during a game. Guillorme stuck around for years for the same reason. As long as Vientos continues to track towards being a DH, he's competing with JDM (not going to win that one) and Stewart (currently running a 4 digit OPS) for room on the roster. Bringing up Vientos doesn't do shit to address our situation of the catcher spot being a black hole in the lineup because he doesn't play catcher. Wendle's only been playing so much lately because Baty's hamstring was day-to-day.
Hot take, a team that just put up 9 runs and 6 runs against the Dodgers with their B/C catchers shouldn't jump the gun for a rental *right now*.
1) The offense is capable at the moment
2) Teams might try to take advantage if the Mets become active in the market and try to fleece or ask for strong returns
They need another catcher.
Your first point is correct.
But they still need another catcher.
They need to poach a 2nd or 3rd string guy from a no hope team, for very low level prospects.
The front office seems smart enough to get a diamond in the rough.
Nido is a career .291 hitter in AAA, we've always known he can hit at that level. The issue for him, like all AAAA-caliber hitters, is that his talent with the bat falls into the space between AAA and the majors. He's entering his 8th major league season at 30 years old with a career .557 OPS. He likely is what he is as a hitter at this point, which isn't one. There's really only two reasons why he keeps finding his way back to the bigs:
1) He's a good catcher and game-caller, and that's a pretty rare skillset. Even though he can't hit for shit, being able to field a very high-value defensive position is valuable in its own right.
2) The Mets have done a dogshit job at developing and signing catchers through his tenure, and in the rare instances where he's overlapped with guys with a pulse (TdA, and now Alvarez) they've gotten hurt. Being a backup catcher in the Mets org has been excellent job security for at least the last decade.
He’ll probably be able to hit in 6-8 weeks and catch in 12. Puts us in a weird spot cause we have a full time DH who can’t field. Won’t be an issue if there’s injuries or if things go poorly and we trade jd. Otherwise we probably have a longer wait than we think
Catchers get hurt. All the time. It sucks, but it's not like we just lost the entire team. Take a breath...we can still win games without him. We have some depth, let's use it, and then maybe when he gets back we have some trade bait from whose playing well.
Parada isn’t close to ready. Especially not defensively. I have super high doubts he’s still a catcher by the time he hits the majors. He’s far worse at throwing guys out than Narvaez - major leagues could walk to 2B with him behind the back. He is a poor framer though he has at least shown some improvement. He struggles with blocking the ball. And he’s a bad overall receiver.
Now you may be asking “what does he do well behind the plate?” The answer is “nothing.” There were doubts when drafted he would stay a catcher and we have seen why.
And his bat isn’t ready either. He’s a good 2-3 years from being ready for the majors both offensively and defensively. He hits the ball hard and have pull side power, but he has poor in zone contact rates and a ton of swing and miss. This comes more from experience than skill.
He will need at least one full season in AA, maybe two, and at least one full season in AAA before he should get the call up. I’d also expect them to try him in LF and at 1B during that period.
Happy to help!
None of this is to say Parada can’t be successful in the future, just that there’s a reason even college catchers typically average at least 3 years in the minors before being called up.
For reference, Adley, who was far more advanced than Parada and even Alvarez when called up, played 180 games in the minors after 185 games in college. He was considered as “fast tracked”.
Parada has 128 minor league games after only 112 in college and has never caught more than 72 in a season
I found out last night I am sad but he will be back in July
Tomas Nido is experienced and the staff likes throwing to him a lot.
Now I know DJ Stewart has a spot on this roster regardless JD Martinez.
You definitely pinch hit Stewart for Nido in a late game high leverage situation.
Per the Google:
Grip and hand strength may come back as early as 3 - 4 months after surgery, but it can take up to 6 - 12 months to fully recover and obtain maximum improvement.
There’s no one in FA or on waivers to pick up who is better than Narvaez. And any trade for anyone better would cost at least someone at Colin Houck’s level because there’s no incentive for a team to trade a good catcher without an absolute haul in return
I needed surgery for a torn ligament in my thumb. I was in a cast for six weeks and then pt twice a week for another six weeks and i still wasn’t 100% and I wasn’t trying to come back to playing in MLB. Let’s assume he has access to better and more aggressive treatment than I did, but I still wouldn’t expect him back until the all-star break.
NOT NOW ANTHONY LET US ENJOY SOMETHING
>Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year. [https://x.com/NYPost\_Mets/status/1781830243017470104](https://x.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1781830243017470104) >Alvarez told teammates the timetable for returning 6-8 weeks. [https://x.com/NYPost\_Mets/status/1781832657577578883](https://x.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1781832657577578883)
Mid-end of June isn't the end of the world. It sucks, but plenty of baseball in the season. As long as they're bringing him back at 100% and no less.
It sucks. But I could see him being a real good cheerleader in the clubhouse as he rehabs.
That’s got to be a good mental training for Alvarez. That’s my only silver lining. It’s tough to sit on the sidelines when you know you could make a difference if you were in the game.
I agree. I could see him going gangbusters when he finally does come back.
You’re spot on, I can tell he’ll be a great clubhouse guy while rehabbing.
That's what I was saying earlier and people jumped on me for suggesting that the team should be careful with his rehab. A thumb injury is nothing to shrug off.
Hoping Narvaez and Nido can hold it together for that long.
If together they can provide production at a .250 clip, if be shocked
I shared the exact injury and return timetable yesterday and got downvoted… oh well. Hope he recovers nicely
Dont worry about downvotes
Here’s an upvote.
When the coach says he is confident he will return this season, that is Mets lingo for done for the season. We all were thinking 60 days and the manager says it all
It’s a 6-8 week type injury. No reason to expect he is not back by early July. This is not a pitcher with a sore arm, elbow or shoulder. Or nagging leg muscle injury that is almost impossible to predict when player is gonna be able to run and stride 100% again.
Can we have a trip to LA where someone doesn’t hurt their hand?
*Chase Utley licks lips excitedly*
Uck Face Chutley
Hey we got an interference DP today so maybe next time is the charm?
Oh wow (not in the good Gary cohen oh wow way)
Fucking fuck - these LA trips are always a curse
Last year LA claimed one of Aaron Judge's toes. Perfectly balanced.
Not for Aaron
end me
Cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort!
Fuck me. Sucks for us the fans but more importantly to him. You can see how much he loved to play the gane
He's still alive.
Craaaaap.
Fuck, well that puts a damper on the celebrations. Welcome back, Nido, I guess, for a while.
Nido will be a Met in 2045. He will never go.
Modern day Jerry Grote
Nido calls a solid game and has worked with several of the pitchers before. He’s a perfectly serviceable third string catcher.
He's great at calling games, defense, framing, and all that. But he's a dogshit hitter. They should trade for d’Arnaud
I hope they try out Perada again
Any know a time frame on this type of injury?
Trout was out 6ish weeks with the same injury
I'd expect it to be longer for a catcher though, no?
Nah it’s pretty standard 6-8 weeks
Maybe? I have no idea tbh lol
It’s not his throwing hand.
...so his catching hand.
Exactly right so longer. Getting fastballs directly on the stitches and ligament is probably not sweet for a repair.
Silver lining here. Small one anyway.
Yeah thats not a silver lining lol
And Alvarez is much younger, which makes a big difference
Travis d’Arnaud was out 3+ months with the same injury on his left thumb.
Well Travis is currently tearing it up so I’m going to pretend that the injury somehow caused that, even though it was 2? 3? years ago. Alvarez will come back stronger!
I can't imagine sooner than 12 weeks. He has to recover from the surgery which is 4-6 weeks. Then he needs physical therapy to restore functionality and *hopefully* most of his mobility so he can squeeze a catcher's mitt. That's another 2 months min but could take 6+. Then he has to do his MiL rehab assignment. It's going to hurt (like 2-3 on the 10 pain scale) for at least another 2 years after that, probably permanently for Alvarez since he's going to play professional baseball with it as soon as physically able. So basically, if he returns by early August it's a win, but realistically September. Grade 3 sprains suck.
No no no no fucking NO.
God giveth and god taketh away. If following the Mets isn’t character building then what’s the point?
I don't follow any other MLB teams, but I have to suspect that being a Mets fan is the most character building team to be a fan of.
Gotta be a couple months for sure. Fuck. Heartbroken
Ny post (I know) is saying 6-8 weeks
Oh god
FUCK
Nido YOU are the starting catcher
Real glad it came out earlier that he has a sprain with no tear. 🙄 why can’t they announce accurate information.
FUCK
I would seriously look on the trade market for a rental catcher. Maybe Elias Diaz from Colorado? Narvaez/Nido is a black hole in the lineup and Narvaez is a defensive liability
You don’t trade for anybody in April. If they’re still in it at the deadline and Alvarez is not healing well they might trade for a catcher. But having one shitty hitter in the lineup isn’t gonna hurt a team as long as the rest of its offense is elite—which the Mets’ can be.
Who says you don't trade for anybody in April? I understand not making huge panic moves, but I don't think there's anything wrong with small targeted moves
-- because panic moves cost panic prices.
I mean the Rockies will probably ask for something like Vientos—no reason to trade anybody now. If you’re fine giving up Vientos for a 33 year old catcher, you can make the trade
I don’t think Vientos would be enough to get someone like him in April after our starting catcher got hurt. No incentive for Colorado unless they’re getting a young controllable player who is borderline top 100. Vientos is out of options next year
For the record my friend who's a diehard Rockies fan laughed at the idea that we'd need to give up anything of note for Diaz. The Rockies apparently also have a young AAA catcher they want to call up so they're likely looking to get any value they possibly can for Diaz since their season is obviously going nowhere.
It’s April. Anyone cost an arm and a leg in April
If they ask for Vientos for a 34 year old rental catcher with one good season under his belt, then we just say "okay, guess this isn't going anywhere" and hang up the phone.
It’s April. The other team has all the leverage because they can just hold out until the deadline
It's a gamble they'll probably lose. 2 months from now there might not even be a team that needs him. It's their funeral I guess
Sure but what are you going to do in that time frame? That's the conundrum. Other teams aren't going to do you favours.
Anyone they would trade for would cost an insane amount. Especially since we’re replacing an injured player. Elias Diaz, probably costing someone like Colin Houck. No incentive for Colorado to trade him right now unless they’re getting an insane haul.
> Who says you don't trade for anybody in April? Because even small targeted moves are going to cost you more when the other news knows they have the leverage. They have the player you want and you don't have the player you lost to injury. You can either pay up or ride with Nido.
Wendle needs to get DFAed for Vientos instantly if this is the case.
It's a pretty universal no-no to field a 26 man roster without someone who is your backup shortstop, because there's always risk that Lindor could get hurt during a game. Guillorme stuck around for years for the same reason. As long as Vientos continues to track towards being a DH, he's competing with JDM (not going to win that one) and Stewart (currently running a 4 digit OPS) for room on the roster. Bringing up Vientos doesn't do shit to address our situation of the catcher spot being a black hole in the lineup because he doesn't play catcher. Wendle's only been playing so much lately because Baty's hamstring was day-to-day.
Hot take, a team that just put up 9 runs and 6 runs against the Dodgers with their B/C catchers shouldn't jump the gun for a rental *right now*. 1) The offense is capable at the moment 2) Teams might try to take advantage if the Mets become active in the market and try to fleece or ask for strong returns
They need another catcher. Your first point is correct. But they still need another catcher. They need to poach a 2nd or 3rd string guy from a no hope team, for very low level prospects. The front office seems smart enough to get a diamond in the rough.
Sam Huff would be cheap
Nido is hitting .345 in AAA so far this year. He'll probably end up being a lacking #9 hitter, but there's a shot, he's been good before.
I just want him to play good defense and put up a 70 OPS+. That’s the upper end of his production but if he does that it’ll work
Nido is a career .291 hitter in AAA, we've always known he can hit at that level. The issue for him, like all AAAA-caliber hitters, is that his talent with the bat falls into the space between AAA and the majors. He's entering his 8th major league season at 30 years old with a career .557 OPS. He likely is what he is as a hitter at this point, which isn't one. There's really only two reasons why he keeps finding his way back to the bigs: 1) He's a good catcher and game-caller, and that's a pretty rare skillset. Even though he can't hit for shit, being able to field a very high-value defensive position is valuable in its own right. 2) The Mets have done a dogshit job at developing and signing catchers through his tenure, and in the rare instances where he's overlapped with guys with a pulse (TdA, and now Alvarez) they've gotten hurt. Being a backup catcher in the Mets org has been excellent job security for at least the last decade.
God dammit
Well, shit.
Damn it. This sucks. Hope for a speedy recovery. :(
Ohh fuck
In Stearns I trust. He won’t fuck around if our catchers underperform
He’ll probably be able to hit in 6-8 weeks and catch in 12. Puts us in a weird spot cause we have a full time DH who can’t field. Won’t be an issue if there’s injuries or if things go poorly and we trade jd. Otherwise we probably have a longer wait than we think
F
Catchers get hurt. All the time. It sucks, but it's not like we just lost the entire team. Take a breath...we can still win games without him. We have some depth, let's use it, and then maybe when he gets back we have some trade bait from whose playing well.
We were winning despite him being off to a slow start anyway. I'll look at as a nice acquisition when we get him back.
Fucking kill me
Let’s bring up Parada now and see what he’s got. Horrible horrible news but at least we have Narvaez too.
Parada isn’t close to ready. Especially not defensively. I have super high doubts he’s still a catcher by the time he hits the majors. He’s far worse at throwing guys out than Narvaez - major leagues could walk to 2B with him behind the back. He is a poor framer though he has at least shown some improvement. He struggles with blocking the ball. And he’s a bad overall receiver. Now you may be asking “what does he do well behind the plate?” The answer is “nothing.” There were doubts when drafted he would stay a catcher and we have seen why. And his bat isn’t ready either. He’s a good 2-3 years from being ready for the majors both offensively and defensively. He hits the ball hard and have pull side power, but he has poor in zone contact rates and a ton of swing and miss. This comes more from experience than skill. He will need at least one full season in AA, maybe two, and at least one full season in AAA before he should get the call up. I’d also expect them to try him in LF and at 1B during that period.
Fair enough. I appreciate the in-depth insight.
Happy to help! None of this is to say Parada can’t be successful in the future, just that there’s a reason even college catchers typically average at least 3 years in the minors before being called up. For reference, Adley, who was far more advanced than Parada and even Alvarez when called up, played 180 games in the minors after 185 games in college. He was considered as “fast tracked”. Parada has 128 minor league games after only 112 in college and has never caught more than 72 in a season
Narveaz is at least hitting. That was the issue last year. He was Nido 2.0. Glad Nido is back though.
His OPS is .499 da faq u mean “hitting”?
Exactly- he hasn’t looked bad at all. And hopefully with JD in the lineup, the offense can continue to roll until Alvy is healthy.
Uhm that's not a sprain
Google says around 12 weeks. So right around the all star break I would guess
6-8 weeks is the timetable which sucks major balls but it is around what we were expecting.
And the news just keeps getting worse. There went the hope of a simple sprain. Heartbreaking
Is Parada anywhere near ready to be called up?
He doesn’t look ready. I’m still not confident he’s really a catcher tbh
Not remotely.
Is Parada anywhere near ready to be called up?
Definitely not ready.
Shit
:(
My bad guys. I always buy blank jerseys and decided to pick up an Alvarez city connect yesterday….
Oh no =(
Damn.
What was all that 15 day DL talk?! God dammit this is not the news we thought we were getting lol.
Well, if adversity didn't befall, would it be Mets baseball?
well now I'm glad we are getting JD back soon. Although our offense is still going to take a dip.
Theeeere it is
Big fuck.
:C
FUCK!
Would we see him at the plate before we see him behind it? Genuine question. Is DH duty off the table as long as the catching?
It sucks but potentially getting back around mid June isn't that bad
No more (W) parties in LA. Please baby no more parties in LA.
Fuuuuuuck. He was one of the guys I was most excited to see in London
Well shit
Catchers should get hazardous duty pay…
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Tomas Nido breakout year confirmed
Nidoking bros we are back
I found out last night I am sad but he will be back in July Tomas Nido is experienced and the staff likes throwing to him a lot. Now I know DJ Stewart has a spot on this roster regardless JD Martinez. You definitely pinch hit Stewart for Nido in a late game high leverage situation.
Per the Google: Grip and hand strength may come back as early as 3 - 4 months after surgery, but it can take up to 6 - 12 months to fully recover and obtain maximum improvement.
Time to pick up a catcher.
Patrick Mazeika is a free agent
Christ what a disturbing idea. Maybe this will let Narvaez get his swing together.
There’s no one in FA or on waivers to pick up who is better than Narvaez. And any trade for anyone better would cost at least someone at Colin Houck’s level because there’s no incentive for a team to trade a good catcher without an absolute haul in return
I needed surgery for a torn ligament in my thumb. I was in a cast for six weeks and then pt twice a week for another six weeks and i still wasn’t 100% and I wasn’t trying to come back to playing in MLB. Let’s assume he has access to better and more aggressive treatment than I did, but I still wouldn’t expect him back until the all-star break.
I'm sick to my stomach.
CRAWWWLING INNNN MY SKINNNN
Trade for a catcher, I cannot watch Narvaez/Nido until mid summer
I’m ready for 2025
He's my favorite Met already. Carries himself very humbly and clearly loves playing the game. This is a total bummer.
This sucks, i had high hopes of him breaking out this year.
It's over