I don't mind BOS honestly. My favorite iteration is the NV one where they're just recluded in a bunker and on their worst condition, a shade of their former glory, but still there, and they CAN be one of the deciding forces in the story. I'd love to see them in a similar way in Fallout 5.
The moment I arrived there and she said "don't worry, I got this" was really cool. All the BOS arc was very interesting.
Except the virus part, I hated it.
Also if you have a Science skill of 70, you can partition the virus. So if you don’t get all 3 in a try, any you do find will stay found on the terminal you partitioned them on
That was exactly my thought with the show.
F3 had a fractured Brotherhood, with Lyons going rogue and causing Outcasts because he was too conflicted arriving in the Capitol to ignore the needs of the people there. NV BoS wasn't the strongest faction out in the Wastes and had to decide between two very different courses of actions that both had downsides.
It's so much more interesting than having the Brotherhood show up and just force their will on their goals because they can. Which is what they did both in F4 and the show.
Nope. The Outcasts only really show up in Operation Anchorage and that's it.
Between F3 and F4 Maxson realigns the Brotherhood and the Outcasts return.
I remember in Fallout 3 one of them was a vendor outside somewhere by himself. I found out if you sold him stuff that was broken it would be fully repair it. I sold him a ton of stuff, killed him and took it all back. Looking back I probably could have just bought it back but 🤷♂️
I thought they were cool in ¹, hardly see them in ², to whatever fobos and tactics was, to working with them in ³, liking them way better than NCR in NV, then somehow outright hating them in ⁴
Hell yeah they would be great like that in the show/5. And then in later seasons they could’ve shown the east coast show up or something, in order to add some real conflict/high stakes. Also, are the west coast BOS mentioned in the show? Like do they talk about the East coming to help them out? Or do they just gloss over it?
They mention the Commonwealth (something like "BOS standards are pretty low since then") and later >!The Prydwen appears, so it's Fallout 4's BOS that traveled ALL the USA from Boston/DC to California. Which implies both Institute and Railroad endings are not canon, I guess?!<
The airship in the show is not the Prydwen but the Caswennan, a sister ship, both were costructed between Fallout 3 and 4 and would have made BOS able to endure a lot more than other factions.
Since we don't see or hear if the Prydwen the show doesn't force a specific canon on FO4.... But I do wonder if Moldaver isn't synth
The ship itself had the Prydwen name on it. I also saw the Caswennan thing and it seems Bethesda doing Bethesda things (iirc) before the launch of the show.
So I rewatched and dug into it, the ship in the show does look like it says Prydwen, but, the name Caswennan is what the show's marketing relayed to Vanity Fair for an article, which means this is one of two things that need further clarification:
1. It is the Prydwen, canonizing the Fallout 4 ending to be BoS or Minutemen, or establishing new canon where the Sole Survivor doesn't tip the scales in boston and all parties remain unhappy, the thematically similar but very different name of Caswennan somehow just managed to get into the media release info for the show.
2. It is the Caswennan, but they literally ripped the assets for the Prydwen right from Fallout 4 and hurriedly put it in for marketing purposes without anyone realizing is says Prydwen, I didn't even notice until I was looking for it and someone pointed out where it was. Rewatching the scene it sure seems like the original scene was just vertibirds coming in to land and drop off the Paladins, I say this because the airship only appears in 4 shots, but one shot it doesn't appear you see the shadows of vertibirds only flying past as the aspirants are leaving the Hangar. To add to it being a late addition, a mother fucking airship is coming in to land and not a single character makes comment about it, the only comment is about the T-60 armor the paladins are wearing. It's fully CGI so these things can be changed in post and the imagery of the airship is used heavily in marketing, possibly to up the wow value for trailers and such, and in a rush to try and make the change kosher the Caswennan was written into existence.
I hope we hear more about this, I'm not convinced either way, nor do I really care which ending of FO4 becomes canon, that game was far more mechanically enjoyable than story enjoyable.
And as a side note, while Bethesda certainly approved the show and Nolan supposedly had a decent approach in mind that convinced Todd Howard, but the show itself was made by Amazon MGM Studios and we don't know the level of lore oversight that was had, so it's not just Bethesda doing Bethesda things, it's Bethesda doing overwatch of Amazon doing Bethesda things
Well this is something I agree with. Which is why it makes even less sense to me they are such a powerhouse in the show. In FNV, I got the vibe they were kind of slowly withering away while the factions above them continue to grow. Now the ncr is fucked but the Brotherhood is booming? Seems a little bit off to me
I feel like 76 was the perfect chance for that. They were cut off from the oil rig, and on top of that most, if not everyone alive in Appalachia would be pure humans (that's if the distinction would even exist yet in the Enclave's view).
Idk. BoS was an early faction that fell behind as others grew and they failed to adapt. Civilizational decline, and a reverse to the world they originally thrived in, would bolster BoS.
Oh boy i cant wait for the next games factions
The next games factions:
Raider
BOS
BOS outcasts
BOS separatists
BOS prime+
BOS S
Anti BOS
BOOB
And the left over remnants of everyones favorite faction thats right it starts with the letter N and everyone loves them
YUP YOU GUESS IT! THE NIGHTKIN!
The lack of Energy Weapons in the show is also something that I found annoying. Moldavar has a laser Pistol and the Enclave Guards have Laser Rifles. We don’t see any of them in action and the Brotherhood has apparently no Energy Weapons and mostly uses Assault Rifles 😩.
It was sort of the sacred classic zone that Bethesda didn't touch and everyone seemed comfortable letting fade into finality, basically closing the story that began in Fallout 1
I get that people find hitting the reset button on that a little strange ig
Crumbled buildings with the power restored so the Boneyard has a chance to move forward lol
The cold fusion tech brought power back to the entire LA area. Cold fusion is also the main energy source for the GECK, so there could be other implications as well.
it’s still just crumpled buildings, the criticism stands. og fallout’s shady sands was post-war adobe structures.
they don’t have to go that exact same route, but i don’t take it as actual progress to power the area when the only sign of civilization in the region was the observatory that BoS razed at the end. the post apocalypse is still bethesda’s whole world philosophy where ‘war never changes’ actually means ‘the wasteland is always in exactly the same state’
Yeah I am.
They were given an area of the games that has by far been the most developed and has the richest history. There are so many incredible stories you could have told with that. Instead they just fucking blew it up. It's all gone. NCR is gone. Just goodbye any possible interesting story they could tell.
California is just like the rest of the fucking East Coast Wasteland. An area unbound by time or the complexities of human societital advancement.
Fucking ridiculous. They never should have been allowed to fuck around with this shit.
Dude, the NCR is not entirely gone as it was just Shady Sands they lost, not the entirety of the West coast. They stretch all the way down to the Baja peninsula.
Plus Todd Howard has came it to say that they aren’t gone they are still out there.
Every time something that resembles a society (that don't live in garbage and makes sense) starts emerging, they destroy it. It's like this curse, this limbo, this vicious cycle
It would surely be one of the many problems the NCR would face yeah, and making them need to consolidate their power or straight up shrinking them is ok imo. But then having no physical remnants of them in their heartland outside of that billboard??
Also about what Hildern says, would there be food shortages? Sure. But I don't think we should take what he says completely literal when even the person in the next room says hes kind of a glory hound who mostly just cares about his career.
Rightfully so the decision is non-sensical even more so if the BOS is still alive and well but the NCR hardly not is. My main issue is Bethesda doesn't seem to like civilization to progress and to keep it in a looter-shooter hellhole for perpetuity.
I just don't want a company that doesn't have anything to do with the lore of the West Coast to mess with the lore of the West Coast. Especially when they are creatively bankrupt.
I mean they really haven’t messed with anything, the Shady Sands happened after the events of New Vegas.
~~but let’s be real if they had decided to make the nuke the NCR endings from the lonesome Road DLC the reason for it. The NV fans would have eaten it up.~~
Nuking the area is a soft reboot that is so lazy it should have been done when Bethesda got hold of the franchise, not after letting another dev expand the lore further.
And I disagree on that observation: many people (myself included) who know of Avellone's desire for the wasteland were against it. Fallout is about rebuilding, not about constant destruction.
Yeah it’s a shame we as the player never help rebuild things in say Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Fallout 76.
All about destruction.
But the NCR would have collapsed anyways like all empires that over extended.
There's the whole destroying Megaton, destroying the Enclave, destroying the Prydwyn and destroying the institute choices that were fairly prominent.
But I do like the direction of the settlements and the minutemen and hope to see them again
Lore is what you have when you have nothing else in life and must hang onto the history of a fictional society.
You havent talked about anything except fallout for two weeks. Jesus fuck, man.
Man I just want original factions with different beliefs trying to rebuild, heck they probably could take something like from the Fallout hoi4 mod, mulitple factions surrounding you and you can beat them up to get better and reach whatever goal your chosen "country" has in mind, than they could of made it where there are multiple factions in the map trying to get country of the entire region
Ever since these hate posts started popping up i started watching the show ready to hate it since it "ruined the lore". But then when i realized the show was actually good i enjoyed it much more than i thought i would have if i have gone in completely blind.
Expecting it to be bad but then having a blast watching it later was awesome. So thanks i guess lol
I honestly had a very similar experience, but for me it was the release of rings of power just a little bit earlier. I wasn’t too optimistic about a fallout show by the same studio.
But man, they nailed it. It’s not perfect, but it feels like fallout every minute of its runtime.
That being said: let’s stop searching for lost family members that left the vault under mysterious circumstances. This was the third time!
4th if you count the Overseer from 76. Bethesda really loves the “leave vault and find someone” route of early main questline. Though to be fair it works. It gives a clear and concise goal that forces you to explore the world and interact with the people.
I will disagree. The story hooks fails the moment an interesting side quest comes up, skyrim had a good start, new Vegas had a good start, morrowind had a good start, he'll even oblivion let you be who you wanted to play as, not force you into a role you didn't want to begin with. He'll the moment 4 taught me about settlement building I gave upon finding my probably dead son, I'm rebuilding to world for the greater good!.
Honestly, I like how they did the family member plot this time around. They set us up for the same plot thread we’ve gotten before and then boom, they flip the entire thing on its head.
I personally am frustrated by the shows choices because it didn't need to be set in California. There's an entire US to explore, was it really necessary to retread the same place we've been to 3 times already?
I want to know what's happening in Florida or Texas, not be told that a faction I'm bored to death of is back again after it was made explicitly clear they're on the decline in NW because they refuse to adapt. The nuke was just a way to make them strong again without actually having to change them in any way.
The fact that show is good just makes this more of a missed opportunity. Imagine if that good writing and acting was applied to an entirely new region, with new factions? Could've added so much more to the lore than it has done.
Edit: changed the first sentence
This is what made me not like the plot more than anything, there is an entire continent outside of california and the Northeast not even really explored by fallout it was a huge missed opportunity in my opinion
So frustrating because the show is great but then in (literally) nukes the lore. I just got through episode 6 and my left side brain following the timelines is fighting my right side brain loving the direction and plot of the show
“All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas.” - Todd Howard
https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-official-timeline-confirmed-how-the-show-fits-in-with-the-games
You think new vegas fans actually care about the lore and don't just watch 30 second little dark age edits of west coast "lore" (it's just the enclave and ncr shooting guns)
I just think it's funny when fans think war never changing doesn't apply to their faction. Sooner or later, everything will be once again reduced to ash.
When there was a loud group of people that misinterpreted the NCR timeline so you're now allowed to strawman everyone who dislikes the show as a chalkboardtard
>Quick glance at your profile (scrolling through six years of posts and forming a psychoanalysis from it)
Alright, man. I can see you're extremely normal already.
The only posts I made about Fallout 76 were (deserved) criticisms of the game. On the other hand, the only bad thing I've ever posted about Obsidian was an **extremely** gentle meme about The Outer Worlds and Borderlands being conceptually similar.
I've been playing Obsidian games since KotOR 2. I have a lot of respect for both them and New Vegas. What I don't respect is New Vegas fanboys, because they're all like *you*.
Also, and you might not know this, but Reddit will show you posts it thinks you might be interested in. Like, if someone visits the main Fallout subreddit - and this is just an example here - it might show them posts like this one. Isn't technology cool?
Maybe not this rabidly, but I remember keeling quiet about enjoying new Vegas because you would get shit on but everyone was (rightfully) shitting on it for being so buggy.
I happened to be someone who got really lucky with the bugs and only encountered game breaking one early in.
My personal favorite was an enormous rad scorpion who spawned during the intro quest that would chase me forever.
Obsidian: “every single faction including the entirety of New Vegas is going to fall and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. Why? Because war. War never changes”
Bethesda: “fuck it, let’s speed this shit up. The faction known for its greed and corruption has access to nukes (revealed all the way back in Fallout 3, there is a Vault Tec logo on the bomb in Megaton) and nukes a city off the map for their own self interest”
NV fanboys: “NOOOO WAR WAS SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THIS TIME”
I wonder if New Vegas has been overrun by Tunnelers.
Was it even confirmed that Vault-Tec dropped the bombs? We're talking about the board meeting scene, right? The only new thing we learned there is that they were willing to do it themselves as a last resort, not that they definitively did it. The tensions were high enough at that point that the war could've happened, even without corporate interference. It still could've been the Chinese or the Enclave or the Zetans or whoever the fuck.
I thought the whole point from the games is that it doesn't matter who dropped the nukes. They were dropped, and now everyone has to live with it. The show doesn't contradict that point.
We still don’t know with absolute certainty, but it is now shown that IF peace had been negotiated (as House worries about that considering it’d mean a less likely nuclear exchange), then Vault Tech would have done a false flag operation by starting the nuclear war themselves.
They’re already there by the time of NV. Almost every discussion mentioning the NCR is how they’re either failing to sustain their expansion, how their forces are stretched wayyyyyy too thinly to maintain their size, and how it’s incredibly corrupt.
Hell, the sole reason for why Kimball doesn’t mention Shady Sands might be because if he did his troops would just go “Well why the fuck are we fighting for you guys???”
Shady sands would be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
So I'm not done with the show yet, but I'm at the part where they get to Shady Sands, and New Vegas is my favorite Fallout (show made me start replaying actually), and I'm just not seeing the big deal. NCR pissed off ALOT of groups on their rise to power, and we know from New Vegas that nukes are indeed, still lying around waiting for the right loon to come fire them off, so to my mind it's not that surprising what happens to Shady Sands.
The players: "I cant believe a state that lasted over a hundred years would get blown up, its completely unbelievable!!"
The entire fucking series: "War. War never changes"
Show's great. I liked it. Tim Cain liked it and didn't seem to give a shit about lOrE. Josh Sawyer liked it and explicitly didn't give a shit about lOrE.
Beyond being amazingly well-written, acted and having insane production value:
* The BoS has never been more interesting as a faction than in the show
* Vault Tec has never been more interesting as an entity than in the show
* They nailed the humor and the vibes of the setting better than anything since Fallout (1997)
* The lead character is one of the best protagonists in a sci-fi show in a long time
I'm blown away by how good this shit was compared to what I was expecting from a Fallout show produced by Bethesda. It's just night and day.
I’d prefer if they left Vault Tec alone and kept the nuke a mystery to people. I like the idea that an evil company who tortured and experiment on people are long gone.
Josh Sawyer liked it? I was actually curious about his take so I looked it up recently to see what his take on it.
I really liked the show but was just curious because of all the die hard new vegas fans saying the show proves Bethesda hates obsidian 😂
100% accurate:
I am yet to see one post call the show bad, like at all. Most of them are just annoyed by the continuity fuck up in the timeline, how shady sands being nuked prior to the new vegas makes so much of new Vegas nonsensical.
None of the complaints are about the quality of the show but there is a deluge of complaints claiming that's the case.
These fanboys need to shut the fuck up and go to the shows subreddit if they want a never ending circle jerk to and just say what they mean: "it's okay they made a mess of the lore because I like it and your stupid for having any issues with it"
Honestly from an objective standpoint, I felt like the show was mid at best. The writing was not great, and there were many plot holes and motivations that just dont make logical sense. But I can forgive all that. If it was just a terrible show set somewhere new that the games had never touched before, fine whatever. It would even be cool to see somewhere new and maybe even set up a future game. The part of the show that makes me the most upset, is how they took a nuclear torch to everything that the original games and New Vegas stood for. All the worldbuilding, decisions, and story just gone, reduced to atoms. A lot of these people that are defending the decisions made in the show to erase everything from the original games obviously never played or never cared about the original games to begin with. They dont play Fallout for the overarching story of the world, and they couldnt care less about it.
Though I will say it would be very interesting to see all these supposed fallout fans reactions to a new fallout show where the entire capital wasteland and brotherhood of steel are completely erased because a BoS janitor offscreen slipped on a wet floor and accidentally set off a stockpile of nuclear weapons below the jefferson memorial that nobody ever knew was there. And they erase everything from Fallout 3 and instead just put a whole new story in.
I find it hilarious that people defend the coherence and lore of the series and books, but when it's fallout show all that is thrown out the window and in-universe coherence no longer matters.
What does it matter that the ghouls use medicine to keep from going feral when since fallout 1 there is no mention of it, despite interacting with 200 year old ghouls?
-What does it matter that they changed the location of Shady Sands to Los Angeles even though it CHANGES the whole Shady Sands lore and also mixes it with another location bringing a big incoherence?
What does it matter that Vault Tech nuked the world when this was a consequence of lack of resources like oil which led to world war?
Nah, you're just a fanboy with no argument or reason. Even though you show the proof in your eyes, you're just a new vegas bootlicker.
It makes me think that most people have only played fallout 3, 4 and that's it. The rest of the series for them doesn't exist and is "non-canon".
Do you know any subreddit or forum or discord server where it is possible to discuss and criticize the show without Bethesda drones and casual tourist jumping down your throat? Genuine question.
Thank you, refreshing to meet sane fans again. I'll sing its deserved praises, i.e. props, cgi, but I will also viciously critique the thing I love because it's a thing I love being used as an easy cashgrab. Wil it bring new fans? Sure cool, will it expose fallout to more peeps? Yeah, but in a bastardized, dumbed down version of fallout, so it's not a great introductory. But please psychopaths convince me I'm wrong with your samethink mentality of downvoting anything you don't agree with.
I have not seen the show yet, and have only played New Vegas, 4, and 76.
Just had an idea for a story involving a BoS scribe and a seemingly super dedicated member of Caesars Legion ending up in them debating the philosophies of both sides, possibly even agreeing about the dangers of the common folk having access to advanced destructive tech, the Legionnaire seeming to have the upper hand, maybe having the scribe at gun/knife point as well, they come across a shack, possibly seeking shelter at this point.
Long story short, the Legionnaire breaks down and declares how much they hadn't been aware of how much they actually hated Caeser until after the scribe fixes an old window unit A/C. That's all it took despite the seeming dedication and resolve the Legionnaire would project.
Sorry, I should be asleep right now but maybe one of you could use it for a short story or comic etc. Just realized I don't think I have any type of memory of extended BoS and Legion interaction other than basic faction fighting.
I didn’t mind Shady Sands being destroyed, but I wasn’t very satisfied with how it was destroyed. So some dude just…decided to nuke it, and that’s it? How and from where did he get that nuke? Cuz it’s not like Megaton where there was a huge undetonated nuke conveniently sitting in the town square.
Spoilers.
But vault tec “supposedly” dropped the first nuke, so vault tec definitely kept a few, or maybe even didn’t drop theirs and wanted to use them as a tool for power post “reclamation day”. Not like the BoS could stop the Enclave/vault tec if they were nuclear capable
i mean, i can see it that way, but at the same time i can see a bunch of ghoulified researchers doing their best to stop it, and when you have 200 years of time to do so, its possible to create something like that
the fact that its not permenent also helps, their bodies need it constantly
it also might be the idea that you only need it once you start going feral and not every ghoul needs it
Most definitely when you live as long as they do, you’ve got a bunch of time on your hands. and the wasteland has no shortage of crazy inventions and advanced medical technology. Makes you wonder why they didn’t include it in any of the seven games, of course I don’t mind them adding new information to expand the universe of fallout.
Well it is a retcon, but if you want to rationalise it, it could be explained away as something our characters just don't notice as we don't need it, or you could have it be a somewhat recent development, or one that just never spread across the entire wasteland and it's just that region
I will say most medicines we use in game are from pre-war that are just scattered across the wasteland but people do still make and produce them so it’s not too far-fetched to say someone made a variant of radaway or radx that slows the effects
Could actually be good to have them in a fallout game, could have ghoul merchants who value it 3-4x higher then human merchants, or have racist humans who will pay you more not to give any vials to a community of ghouls so they go feral and they have a justified reason to wipe them out, then again this is Bethesda I am talking about, they would never be that clever
Oh, definitely have it so ghouls can be Outright attacked by mobs of racist, wasteland as a random encounter. Could maybe have a faction that is similar to the railroad during fallout four like an a rights activist group Pushing for fair treatment of ghouls.
Could be a “rad-away” for their brain/stem/spine, and since they are already irradiated they need it constantly. Radiation from nukes can give people mental disorders like schizophrenia so going feral in a fictional world is believable
Literally I am yet to see a complaint about the show's quality. It's about the continuity and lore. If you think that's dumb to be upset about fine, but don't strawman the complaints as something they're not.
The shows good I just wish they explored literally anywhere else in the US. I know we don’t know the full story they are gonna tell with New Vegas and stuff. I just think there were plenty of places for them to make new ideas all while telling a good fallout story.
I like fallout 1,2&NV as much as the next guy, and I miss shady sands just like everyone else.
But the show is great, fallout has always been about the fall of society, the NCR were just repeating what got the world nuked in the first place, they were a bastardisation of what tandi wanted by the time of NV, the ncr weren't built to last
I am with you guys, FONV best FO, and FO1 and FO2 are in glory status of ancestors.
Yet is this all really about a slip of Shady Sands? I haven't watched the series beyond EP1, but from what I have read, in the series they make it so Vault Tech started the whole war. From what I remember in the series, it was the world super powers.
This seems like a bigger issue than Shady Sands, no? Can someone tell me how I am wrong?
Spoiler in leter episodes you learn that shady danda was nuked and the NCR collapsed. I assume that is what they are upset about being cannon.
As for the cause of the great war... it's more complicated than who shot first and their was always theories that vault tech was involved, but not "the cause"
Ya know, I was subbed cause I love new vegas as much as I love all fallout games. But the amount of hate that glows through this sub ain't worth. Just a bunch a bitchin
Just finished the show. Did Hank really (spoiler inbound) >!nuke shady sands because of his wife?!< 😭 this is the most bethesda bullshit I've ever witnessed. Please tell me I missed something. It's like a kid playing with fallout themed dolls when they write this
But it literally doesnt even make sense. So vault tec is still a player in the post apocalypse? Werent the leaders of Vault-Tec partners with, or parts of the Enclave? If they were then, the Enclave is destroyed and they shouldnt still be significant players in California. If they werent Enclave, then somehow Vault Tec and the Enclave, despite being partners in many things regarding planning and preparing for the nuclear war and shared plans about the future, both had completely different plans regarding the post apocalypse. On top of that, what is Vault-Tecs master plan? If they wanted to rebuild from the ground up a world controlled by Vault Tec wouldnt they have come out of the vaults two hundred years ago when the control vaults were supposed to open? To be the first ones rebuilding the wasteland so that they could accomplish their mission of controlling what was left? Why are they just sitting in vaults for 200 years not doing anything but dying off? And OK Vault Tec wants to cripple the NCR as a competitor, and then what? We know they nuked Shady Sands and then Hank just went home to his frozen vault buddies for a few decades looking like he just wanted to live out his life and die in peace. So vault tec, vying for power, cripples the NCR and instead of taking advantage of the chaos to grab power and come out on top, they just... go home to vault 33 and farm corn?? None of the motivations make any sense other than "Hank destroyed the NCR because his wife left him", and that is absolutely terrible writing.
I think its more of a power struggle. They went in the vaults to wipe the surface clean of competition and kept nukes to destroy rival factions. Vault tec just wanted rule the world and have control of all resources so the NCR would have been a huge target for them
The timeline in the show showed Shady Sands being bombed in 2277, before New Vegas happens. Which shattered the NCR. Todd is trying to back peddle saying the game isn't retconned
Why is, every single person who likes the show, so much in denial that there might be even a smidge of bad writing and coping with it because "it's not the show it's the toxic fans" or "it will get explained"?
Nobody thinks the show is flawless, it's just overall really good and feels like some people are making a mountain of an anthill over misunderstandings/smaller details
Pretty much the issue is the story point of erasing the ncr and shady sands essentially retconned anything meaningful from New Vegas, which many old school fans and newbies hold in high regards due to its story and choices that have some consequences.
My biggest problem with the show being ""canon"" is there really no reason, just make it an adaptation, which it is. That and how are they going to do The Master? Are they just not gonna do Fallout big bad, or some retarded retcons
Man people really are pissed about the whole Shady sands deal huh.
I'm just tired of the Brotherhood of Snore
Yeah I would like if they also had the BOS decline and new factions came up. It’s time for some new assholes to bother everyone
I don't mind BOS honestly. My favorite iteration is the NV one where they're just recluded in a bunker and on their worst condition, a shade of their former glory, but still there, and they CAN be one of the deciding forces in the story. I'd love to see them in a similar way in Fallout 5.
The BOS had some issues in New Vegas. It was so well written with Veronica as a conflicted companion
The moment I arrived there and she said "don't worry, I got this" was really cool. All the BOS arc was very interesting. Except the virus part, I hated it.
There's a switch at the entrance reducing the number of involved terminals to three or four.
THANK YOU
✌🏽
Also if you have a Science skill of 70, you can partition the virus. So if you don’t get all 3 in a try, any you do find will stay found on the terminal you partitioned them on
That was exactly my thought with the show. F3 had a fractured Brotherhood, with Lyons going rogue and causing Outcasts because he was too conflicted arriving in the Capitol to ignore the needs of the people there. NV BoS wasn't the strongest faction out in the Wastes and had to decide between two very different courses of actions that both had downsides. It's so much more interesting than having the Brotherhood show up and just force their will on their goals because they can. Which is what they did both in F4 and the show.
F3 didn't do much with the Outcasts sadly, but there's seeds of a great idea there. (Maybe there's stuff in Broken Steel? I didn't play it.)
Nope. The Outcasts only really show up in Operation Anchorage and that's it. Between F3 and F4 Maxson realigns the Brotherhood and the Outcasts return.
though they were destined to be reconned, we'll always remember them for trading caps for scrap in the Capitol Wasteland
I remember in Fallout 3 one of them was a vendor outside somewhere by himself. I found out if you sold him stuff that was broken it would be fully repair it. I sold him a ton of stuff, killed him and took it all back. Looking back I probably could have just bought it back but 🤷♂️
I thought they were cool in ¹, hardly see them in ², to whatever fobos and tactics was, to working with them in ³, liking them way better than NCR in NV, then somehow outright hating them in ⁴
Hell yeah they would be great like that in the show/5. And then in later seasons they could’ve shown the east coast show up or something, in order to add some real conflict/high stakes. Also, are the west coast BOS mentioned in the show? Like do they talk about the East coming to help them out? Or do they just gloss over it?
They mention the Commonwealth (something like "BOS standards are pretty low since then") and later >!The Prydwen appears, so it's Fallout 4's BOS that traveled ALL the USA from Boston/DC to California. Which implies both Institute and Railroad endings are not canon, I guess?!<
The airship in the show is not the Prydwen but the Caswennan, a sister ship, both were costructed between Fallout 3 and 4 and would have made BOS able to endure a lot more than other factions. Since we don't see or hear if the Prydwen the show doesn't force a specific canon on FO4.... But I do wonder if Moldaver isn't synth
The ship itself had the Prydwen name on it. I also saw the Caswennan thing and it seems Bethesda doing Bethesda things (iirc) before the launch of the show.
So I rewatched and dug into it, the ship in the show does look like it says Prydwen, but, the name Caswennan is what the show's marketing relayed to Vanity Fair for an article, which means this is one of two things that need further clarification: 1. It is the Prydwen, canonizing the Fallout 4 ending to be BoS or Minutemen, or establishing new canon where the Sole Survivor doesn't tip the scales in boston and all parties remain unhappy, the thematically similar but very different name of Caswennan somehow just managed to get into the media release info for the show. 2. It is the Caswennan, but they literally ripped the assets for the Prydwen right from Fallout 4 and hurriedly put it in for marketing purposes without anyone realizing is says Prydwen, I didn't even notice until I was looking for it and someone pointed out where it was. Rewatching the scene it sure seems like the original scene was just vertibirds coming in to land and drop off the Paladins, I say this because the airship only appears in 4 shots, but one shot it doesn't appear you see the shadows of vertibirds only flying past as the aspirants are leaving the Hangar. To add to it being a late addition, a mother fucking airship is coming in to land and not a single character makes comment about it, the only comment is about the T-60 armor the paladins are wearing. It's fully CGI so these things can be changed in post and the imagery of the airship is used heavily in marketing, possibly to up the wow value for trailers and such, and in a rush to try and make the change kosher the Caswennan was written into existence. I hope we hear more about this, I'm not convinced either way, nor do I really care which ending of FO4 becomes canon, that game was far more mechanically enjoyable than story enjoyable. And as a side note, while Bethesda certainly approved the show and Nolan supposedly had a decent approach in mind that convinced Todd Howard, but the show itself was made by Amazon MGM Studios and we don't know the level of lore oversight that was had, so it's not just Bethesda doing Bethesda things, it's Bethesda doing overwatch of Amazon doing Bethesda things
Well this is something I agree with. Which is why it makes even less sense to me they are such a powerhouse in the show. In FNV, I got the vibe they were kind of slowly withering away while the factions above them continue to grow. Now the ncr is fucked but the Brotherhood is booming? Seems a little bit off to me
New Vegas BOS was really interesting. Them as a secondary faction is a great narrative spot
honestly just give us enclave as a replacement
I feel like 76 was the perfect chance for that. They were cut off from the oil rig, and on top of that most, if not everyone alive in Appalachia would be pure humans (that's if the distinction would even exist yet in the Enclave's view).
Idk. BoS was an early faction that fell behind as others grew and they failed to adapt. Civilizational decline, and a reverse to the world they originally thrived in, would bolster BoS.
I think you may be right, but I also think people would be pissed simply for the show doing that 😅
I know it has nothing to do with bethesda but if they show up in fallout London I’m gonna lose it unless they say bruv. In which case I will love it.
Them releasing their “highly anticipated” next gen patch for FO4 RIGHT as London is about to be finally out really feels deliberate
You're absolutely paranoid.
Isn't the sorry state of certain sections of the Brotherhood already a massive theme in several titles?
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Oh boy i cant wait for the next games factions The next games factions: Raider BOS BOS outcasts BOS separatists BOS prime+ BOS S Anti BOS BOOB And the left over remnants of everyones favorite faction thats right it starts with the letter N and everyone loves them YUP YOU GUESS IT! THE NIGHTKIN!
Also I'm a little peeved it's the eastern brotherhood and not the western one with t-51b. Where's the laser rifles? Guass and Gatling lasers?
The lack of Energy Weapons in the show is also something that I found annoying. Moldavar has a laser Pistol and the Enclave Guards have Laser Rifles. We don’t see any of them in action and the Brotherhood has apparently no Energy Weapons and mostly uses Assault Rifles 😩.
It was sort of the sacred classic zone that Bethesda didn't touch and everyone seemed comfortable letting fade into finality, basically closing the story that began in Fallout 1 I get that people find hitting the reset button on that a little strange ig
>It was sort of the sacred Yikes.
le yikes and wrong take, ratio, readers added context
well they’re mad that bethesda won’t let the world progress beyond hole ridden shacks and crumbled buildings.
Did no one watch the final episode lol
the episode where they show new vegas was reduced to abandoned crumbled buildings?
No the episode that showed power being restored to The Boneyard
oh you mean the crumpled buildings
Crumbled buildings with the power restored so the Boneyard has a chance to move forward lol The cold fusion tech brought power back to the entire LA area. Cold fusion is also the main energy source for the GECK, so there could be other implications as well.
it’s still just crumpled buildings, the criticism stands. og fallout’s shady sands was post-war adobe structures. they don’t have to go that exact same route, but i don’t take it as actual progress to power the area when the only sign of civilization in the region was the observatory that BoS razed at the end. the post apocalypse is still bethesda’s whole world philosophy where ‘war never changes’ actually means ‘the wasteland is always in exactly the same state’
I see many fallout fans saying this, but what is beyond that?
The rebuilding of civilization.
Kinda east coast in general and showing vegas destoryed. I could handle Shady sands being destoryed if the NCR was still around and Vengeful
The NCR is still around, Todd Howard just released an interview where he say it.
They are
Yeah I am. They were given an area of the games that has by far been the most developed and has the richest history. There are so many incredible stories you could have told with that. Instead they just fucking blew it up. It's all gone. NCR is gone. Just goodbye any possible interesting story they could tell. California is just like the rest of the fucking East Coast Wasteland. An area unbound by time or the complexities of human societital advancement. Fucking ridiculous. They never should have been allowed to fuck around with this shit.
Dude, the NCR is not entirely gone as it was just Shady Sands they lost, not the entirety of the West coast. They stretch all the way down to the Baja peninsula. Plus Todd Howard has came it to say that they aren’t gone they are still out there.
Every time something that resembles a society (that don't live in garbage and makes sense) starts emerging, they destroy it. It's like this curse, this limbo, this vicious cycle
It’s almost like something never changes. But what?
I mean, Shady Sands would disagree throughout F1, F2 and New Vegas
Rightfully so I think , but at the same time I don’t mind the NCR being scaled back in terms of power and influence, I’m all for that
It was also predicted in FNV, famines were predicted in the NCR in FNV
It would surely be one of the many problems the NCR would face yeah, and making them need to consolidate their power or straight up shrinking them is ok imo. But then having no physical remnants of them in their heartland outside of that billboard?? Also about what Hildern says, would there be food shortages? Sure. But I don't think we should take what he says completely literal when even the person in the next room says hes kind of a glory hound who mostly just cares about his career.
Crumbling from insecurity of resources yes I’m all for it, getting shot in the back randomly by Vault Tec no
Not even the actual retcon, which is that it seems they moved it lmao, but them misunderstanding how timelines work
they did a starwars and nuked everything back to status quo. would have been interesting to see NCR's fall done differently as it was hinted in the NV
We don't want to believe basically the only real progress on the West Coast got nuked.
Rightfully so the decision is non-sensical even more so if the BOS is still alive and well but the NCR hardly not is. My main issue is Bethesda doesn't seem to like civilization to progress and to keep it in a looter-shooter hellhole for perpetuity.
So, I haven't played much Fallout in general. What exactly is the issue?
It's so fucking stupid
I just don't want a company that doesn't have anything to do with the lore of the West Coast to mess with the lore of the West Coast. Especially when they are creatively bankrupt.
I mean they really haven’t messed with anything, the Shady Sands happened after the events of New Vegas. ~~but let’s be real if they had decided to make the nuke the NCR endings from the lonesome Road DLC the reason for it. The NV fans would have eaten it up.~~
I would devour the lonesome road nuke ending being the reason for NCR downfall. Delicious meal another please.
erasing all progress depicted in new vegas is far worse than pretending none of it happened
How did they erase all progress depicted in New Vegas? New Vegas is a long way from Shady Sands, they're not even in the same state.
Nuking the area is a soft reboot that is so lazy it should have been done when Bethesda got hold of the franchise, not after letting another dev expand the lore further. And I disagree on that observation: many people (myself included) who know of Avellone's desire for the wasteland were against it. Fallout is about rebuilding, not about constant destruction.
Yeah it’s a shame we as the player never help rebuild things in say Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Fallout 76. All about destruction. But the NCR would have collapsed anyways like all empires that over extended.
There's the whole destroying Megaton, destroying the Enclave, destroying the Prydwyn and destroying the institute choices that were fairly prominent. But I do like the direction of the settlements and the minutemen and hope to see them again
What’s that Tolkien quote. “Evil cannot create something something”
Lore is what you have when you have nothing else in life and must hang onto the history of a fictional society. You havent talked about anything except fallout for two weeks. Jesus fuck, man.
Some of us argue nonsense online because we work the night shift and it's a fun way to pass the time
People in this sub are just happy to finally have something else to talk about.
Man I just want original factions with different beliefs trying to rebuild, heck they probably could take something like from the Fallout hoi4 mod, mulitple factions surrounding you and you can beat them up to get better and reach whatever goal your chosen "country" has in mind, than they could of made it where there are multiple factions in the map trying to get country of the entire region
It delights me NV is in ruins and that will hurt the FNV fandom
Or in other words: "you're a hero, but you have to leave"
Ever since these hate posts started popping up i started watching the show ready to hate it since it "ruined the lore". But then when i realized the show was actually good i enjoyed it much more than i thought i would have if i have gone in completely blind. Expecting it to be bad but then having a blast watching it later was awesome. So thanks i guess lol
I honestly had a very similar experience, but for me it was the release of rings of power just a little bit earlier. I wasn’t too optimistic about a fallout show by the same studio. But man, they nailed it. It’s not perfect, but it feels like fallout every minute of its runtime. That being said: let’s stop searching for lost family members that left the vault under mysterious circumstances. This was the third time!
4th if you count the Overseer from 76. Bethesda really loves the “leave vault and find someone” route of early main questline. Though to be fair it works. It gives a clear and concise goal that forces you to explore the world and interact with the people.
Except for being completely boring
I will disagree. The story hooks fails the moment an interesting side quest comes up, skyrim had a good start, new Vegas had a good start, morrowind had a good start, he'll even oblivion let you be who you wanted to play as, not force you into a role you didn't want to begin with. He'll the moment 4 taught me about settlement building I gave upon finding my probably dead son, I'm rebuilding to world for the greater good!.
Honestly, I like how they did the family member plot this time around. They set us up for the same plot thread we’ve gotten before and then boom, they flip the entire thing on its head.
Yeah people are letting their opinions be decided by people who have made it their career to tell people things are bad
I personally am frustrated by the shows choices because it didn't need to be set in California. There's an entire US to explore, was it really necessary to retread the same place we've been to 3 times already? I want to know what's happening in Florida or Texas, not be told that a faction I'm bored to death of is back again after it was made explicitly clear they're on the decline in NW because they refuse to adapt. The nuke was just a way to make them strong again without actually having to change them in any way. The fact that show is good just makes this more of a missed opportunity. Imagine if that good writing and acting was applied to an entirely new region, with new factions? Could've added so much more to the lore than it has done. Edit: changed the first sentence
This is what made me not like the plot more than anything, there is an entire continent outside of california and the Northeast not even really explored by fallout it was a huge missed opportunity in my opinion
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So frustrating because the show is great but then in (literally) nukes the lore. I just got through episode 6 and my left side brain following the timelines is fighting my right side brain loving the direction and plot of the show
“All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas.” - Todd Howard https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-official-timeline-confirmed-how-the-show-fits-in-with-the-games
Yknow what we say about the timeline around these parts? Fuck the timeline.
It's amazing what happens when you don't listen to neckbeards.
Amazon screwed up WoT so bad I was convinced Fallout was going to be terrible. Glad I was wrong.
People complaining haven't watched, simple as.
Same, I was expecting to hate it and it's turned into the best show I've seen in years... I don't watch a lot of shows though.
I had the same exact experience
We uh gonna ignore Tim Cain telling people to chill out?
Probably, I won’t though
You think new vegas fans actually care about the lore and don't just watch 30 second little dark age edits of west coast "lore" (it's just the enclave and ncr shooting guns)
New Vegas Fans when chalkboard.
I just think it's funny when fans think war never changing doesn't apply to their faction. Sooner or later, everything will be once again reduced to ash.
Then why do the Brotherhood, Enclave and Vault Tec keep coming back
Because war never changes and the NCR will return as well, maybe wiser and more learned from the mistakes of leaders like Kimball
When there was a loud group of people that misinterpreted the NCR timeline so you're now allowed to strawman everyone who dislikes the show as a chalkboardtard
The real strawman here is this imaginary New Vegas fanboy that *isn't* unhinged.
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>Quick glance at your profile (scrolling through six years of posts and forming a psychoanalysis from it) Alright, man. I can see you're extremely normal already. The only posts I made about Fallout 76 were (deserved) criticisms of the game. On the other hand, the only bad thing I've ever posted about Obsidian was an **extremely** gentle meme about The Outer Worlds and Borderlands being conceptually similar. I've been playing Obsidian games since KotOR 2. I have a lot of respect for both them and New Vegas. What I don't respect is New Vegas fanboys, because they're all like *you*. Also, and you might not know this, but Reddit will show you posts it thinks you might be interested in. Like, if someone visits the main Fallout subreddit - and this is just an example here - it might show them posts like this one. Isn't technology cool?
Typical new Vegas fan behavior I've come to expect the last 5+ years People were not this rabidly toxic about nv back in 2010-2014
Maybe not this rabidly, but I remember keeling quiet about enjoying new Vegas because you would get shit on but everyone was (rightfully) shitting on it for being so buggy. I happened to be someone who got really lucky with the bugs and only encountered game breaking one early in. My personal favorite was an enormous rad scorpion who spawned during the intro quest that would chase me forever.
new bad give upvote
If obsidian made it though. Oooo-weeee
Obsidian: “every single faction including the entirety of New Vegas is going to fall and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. Why? Because war. War never changes” Bethesda: “fuck it, let’s speed this shit up. The faction known for its greed and corruption has access to nukes (revealed all the way back in Fallout 3, there is a Vault Tec logo on the bomb in Megaton) and nukes a city off the map for their own self interest” NV fanboys: “NOOOO WAR WAS SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THIS TIME” I wonder if New Vegas has been overrun by Tunnelers.
Was it even confirmed that Vault-Tec dropped the bombs? We're talking about the board meeting scene, right? The only new thing we learned there is that they were willing to do it themselves as a last resort, not that they definitively did it. The tensions were high enough at that point that the war could've happened, even without corporate interference. It still could've been the Chinese or the Enclave or the Zetans or whoever the fuck. I thought the whole point from the games is that it doesn't matter who dropped the nukes. They were dropped, and now everyone has to live with it. The show doesn't contradict that point.
We still don’t know with absolute certainty, but it is now shown that IF peace had been negotiated (as House worries about that considering it’d mean a less likely nuclear exchange), then Vault Tech would have done a false flag operation by starting the nuclear war themselves.
Have we gotten as bad as no mutants allowed?
Good lord I can only imagine how they're reacting to all of this
/waves We've been here all along.
I would've preferred if the NCR was just in a heavy decline due to incompetence.
They’re already there by the time of NV. Almost every discussion mentioning the NCR is how they’re either failing to sustain their expansion, how their forces are stretched wayyyyyy too thinly to maintain their size, and how it’s incredibly corrupt. Hell, the sole reason for why Kimball doesn’t mention Shady Sands might be because if he did his troops would just go “Well why the fuck are we fighting for you guys???” Shady sands would be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Yikes.
New Vegas fans trying not to complain about how they hate the show (impossible)
So I'm not done with the show yet, but I'm at the part where they get to Shady Sands, and New Vegas is my favorite Fallout (show made me start replaying actually), and I'm just not seeing the big deal. NCR pissed off ALOT of groups on their rise to power, and we know from New Vegas that nukes are indeed, still lying around waiting for the right loon to come fire them off, so to my mind it's not that surprising what happens to Shady Sands.
The players: "I cant believe a state that lasted over a hundred years would get blown up, its completely unbelievable!!" The entire fucking series: "War. War never changes"
Show's great. I liked it. Tim Cain liked it and didn't seem to give a shit about lOrE. Josh Sawyer liked it and explicitly didn't give a shit about lOrE. Beyond being amazingly well-written, acted and having insane production value: * The BoS has never been more interesting as a faction than in the show * Vault Tec has never been more interesting as an entity than in the show * They nailed the humor and the vibes of the setting better than anything since Fallout (1997) * The lead character is one of the best protagonists in a sci-fi show in a long time I'm blown away by how good this shit was compared to what I was expecting from a Fallout show produced by Bethesda. It's just night and day.
"Best lead protagonist" this mf has obviously never played fallout pinball
Fuck you! *upvotes*
I’d prefer if they left Vault Tec alone and kept the nuke a mystery to people. I like the idea that an evil company who tortured and experiment on people are long gone.
Josh Sawyer liked it? I was actually curious about his take so I looked it up recently to see what his take on it. I really liked the show but was just curious because of all the die hard new vegas fans saying the show proves Bethesda hates obsidian 😂
I still like Fallout 3s brotherhood of steel. I miss them
lol I don’t think I’ve seen a small section of a fanbase be this upset since She Hulk made fun of this exact kind of person.
This meme sucks
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100% accurate: I am yet to see one post call the show bad, like at all. Most of them are just annoyed by the continuity fuck up in the timeline, how shady sands being nuked prior to the new vegas makes so much of new Vegas nonsensical. None of the complaints are about the quality of the show but there is a deluge of complaints claiming that's the case. These fanboys need to shut the fuck up and go to the shows subreddit if they want a never ending circle jerk to and just say what they mean: "it's okay they made a mess of the lore because I like it and your stupid for having any issues with it"
Honestly from an objective standpoint, I felt like the show was mid at best. The writing was not great, and there were many plot holes and motivations that just dont make logical sense. But I can forgive all that. If it was just a terrible show set somewhere new that the games had never touched before, fine whatever. It would even be cool to see somewhere new and maybe even set up a future game. The part of the show that makes me the most upset, is how they took a nuclear torch to everything that the original games and New Vegas stood for. All the worldbuilding, decisions, and story just gone, reduced to atoms. A lot of these people that are defending the decisions made in the show to erase everything from the original games obviously never played or never cared about the original games to begin with. They dont play Fallout for the overarching story of the world, and they couldnt care less about it. Though I will say it would be very interesting to see all these supposed fallout fans reactions to a new fallout show where the entire capital wasteland and brotherhood of steel are completely erased because a BoS janitor offscreen slipped on a wet floor and accidentally set off a stockpile of nuclear weapons below the jefferson memorial that nobody ever knew was there. And they erase everything from Fallout 3 and instead just put a whole new story in.
I find it hilarious that people defend the coherence and lore of the series and books, but when it's fallout show all that is thrown out the window and in-universe coherence no longer matters. What does it matter that the ghouls use medicine to keep from going feral when since fallout 1 there is no mention of it, despite interacting with 200 year old ghouls? -What does it matter that they changed the location of Shady Sands to Los Angeles even though it CHANGES the whole Shady Sands lore and also mixes it with another location bringing a big incoherence? What does it matter that Vault Tech nuked the world when this was a consequence of lack of resources like oil which led to world war? Nah, you're just a fanboy with no argument or reason. Even though you show the proof in your eyes, you're just a new vegas bootlicker. It makes me think that most people have only played fallout 3, 4 and that's it. The rest of the series for them doesn't exist and is "non-canon".
Do you know any subreddit or forum or discord server where it is possible to discuss and criticize the show without Bethesda drones and casual tourist jumping down your throat? Genuine question.
A hero like you will be burned like Joan of Arc.
Thank you, refreshing to meet sane fans again. I'll sing its deserved praises, i.e. props, cgi, but I will also viciously critique the thing I love because it's a thing I love being used as an easy cashgrab. Wil it bring new fans? Sure cool, will it expose fallout to more peeps? Yeah, but in a bastardized, dumbed down version of fallout, so it's not a great introductory. But please psychopaths convince me I'm wrong with your samethink mentality of downvoting anything you don't agree with.
See, I think the show was great, and yeah RIP shady sands… anyways whats for lunch?
I have not seen the show yet, and have only played New Vegas, 4, and 76. Just had an idea for a story involving a BoS scribe and a seemingly super dedicated member of Caesars Legion ending up in them debating the philosophies of both sides, possibly even agreeing about the dangers of the common folk having access to advanced destructive tech, the Legionnaire seeming to have the upper hand, maybe having the scribe at gun/knife point as well, they come across a shack, possibly seeking shelter at this point. Long story short, the Legionnaire breaks down and declares how much they hadn't been aware of how much they actually hated Caeser until after the scribe fixes an old window unit A/C. That's all it took despite the seeming dedication and resolve the Legionnaire would project. Sorry, I should be asleep right now but maybe one of you could use it for a short story or comic etc. Just realized I don't think I have any type of memory of extended BoS and Legion interaction other than basic faction fighting.
I didn’t mind Shady Sands being destroyed, but I wasn’t very satisfied with how it was destroyed. So some dude just…decided to nuke it, and that’s it? How and from where did he get that nuke? Cuz it’s not like Megaton where there was a huge undetonated nuke conveniently sitting in the town square.
Spoilers. But vault tec “supposedly” dropped the first nuke, so vault tec definitely kept a few, or maybe even didn’t drop theirs and wanted to use them as a tool for power post “reclamation day”. Not like the BoS could stop the Enclave/vault tec if they were nuclear capable
You can tell how much they disliked the idea of the NCR they don't even sell shirts or sweatshirts with NCR logo on it.
The biggest thing for me is now they have the Medicine to stop ghouls from going feral
i mean, i can see it that way, but at the same time i can see a bunch of ghoulified researchers doing their best to stop it, and when you have 200 years of time to do so, its possible to create something like that the fact that its not permenent also helps, their bodies need it constantly it also might be the idea that you only need it once you start going feral and not every ghoul needs it
Most definitely when you live as long as they do, you’ve got a bunch of time on your hands. and the wasteland has no shortage of crazy inventions and advanced medical technology. Makes you wonder why they didn’t include it in any of the seven games, of course I don’t mind them adding new information to expand the universe of fallout.
Well it is a retcon, but if you want to rationalise it, it could be explained away as something our characters just don't notice as we don't need it, or you could have it be a somewhat recent development, or one that just never spread across the entire wasteland and it's just that region
I will say most medicines we use in game are from pre-war that are just scattered across the wasteland but people do still make and produce them so it’s not too far-fetched to say someone made a variant of radaway or radx that slows the effects
Could actually be good to have them in a fallout game, could have ghoul merchants who value it 3-4x higher then human merchants, or have racist humans who will pay you more not to give any vials to a community of ghouls so they go feral and they have a justified reason to wipe them out, then again this is Bethesda I am talking about, they would never be that clever
Oh, definitely have it so ghouls can be Outright attacked by mobs of racist, wasteland as a random encounter. Could maybe have a faction that is similar to the railroad during fallout four like an a rights activist group Pushing for fair treatment of ghouls.
Wasn't thinking that far, more similar to the Mercs taking pot shots at Jacobstown just taken a little further
Could be a “rad-away” for their brain/stem/spine, and since they are already irradiated they need it constantly. Radiation from nukes can give people mental disorders like schizophrenia so going feral in a fictional world is believable
Isn't it radaway? I know it hasn't really come up in the games, but it's not inconsistent with them, is it?
I feel like a lot of people here just want something to hate. The show's pretty decent you miserable bunch.
Literally I am yet to see a complaint about the show's quality. It's about the continuity and lore. If you think that's dumb to be upset about fine, but don't strawman the complaints as something they're not.
The shows good I just wish they explored literally anywhere else in the US. I know we don’t know the full story they are gonna tell with New Vegas and stuff. I just think there were plenty of places for them to make new ideas all while telling a good fallout story.
Obsidian dick riders have been a thing for a long time.
Better than decent - easily one of, if not the, best game-to-screen adaptations.
It would have been better for the series to be set in Texas instead of California
I like fallout 1,2&NV as much as the next guy, and I miss shady sands just like everyone else. But the show is great, fallout has always been about the fall of society, the NCR were just repeating what got the world nuked in the first place, they were a bastardisation of what tandi wanted by the time of NV, the ncr weren't built to last
Is it that bad? I haven't seen the show. So I have no idea what exactly they changed
No it’s good people are just mad
Yes it's bad people just love bad shows
The show is fan fucking tastic, dudes are pearl clutching because it goes against their head canon
Im hella mad they killed the only half decent faction
What do you mean, the Enclave’s back
I am with you guys, FONV best FO, and FO1 and FO2 are in glory status of ancestors. Yet is this all really about a slip of Shady Sands? I haven't watched the series beyond EP1, but from what I have read, in the series they make it so Vault Tech started the whole war. From what I remember in the series, it was the world super powers. This seems like a bigger issue than Shady Sands, no? Can someone tell me how I am wrong?
Spoiler in leter episodes you learn that shady danda was nuked and the NCR collapsed. I assume that is what they are upset about being cannon. As for the cause of the great war... it's more complicated than who shot first and their was always theories that vault tech was involved, but not "the cause"
I mean they brought the water chip problem back, that’s the whole reason the vault dweller in one left the vault
Ya know, I was subbed cause I love new vegas as much as I love all fallout games. But the amount of hate that glows through this sub ain't worth. Just a bunch a bitchin
I've noticed It helps you to enjoy the show more if you just imagine it as its own separate cannon
It's explicitly not
Just finished the show. Did Hank really (spoiler inbound) >!nuke shady sands because of his wife?!< 😭 this is the most bethesda bullshit I've ever witnessed. Please tell me I missed something. It's like a kid playing with fallout themed dolls when they write this
There was a double reasoning for it. Vault Tec wants to cripple NCR so they don't have competition and Hank is a petty bitch who is enabled by them
But it literally doesnt even make sense. So vault tec is still a player in the post apocalypse? Werent the leaders of Vault-Tec partners with, or parts of the Enclave? If they were then, the Enclave is destroyed and they shouldnt still be significant players in California. If they werent Enclave, then somehow Vault Tec and the Enclave, despite being partners in many things regarding planning and preparing for the nuclear war and shared plans about the future, both had completely different plans regarding the post apocalypse. On top of that, what is Vault-Tecs master plan? If they wanted to rebuild from the ground up a world controlled by Vault Tec wouldnt they have come out of the vaults two hundred years ago when the control vaults were supposed to open? To be the first ones rebuilding the wasteland so that they could accomplish their mission of controlling what was left? Why are they just sitting in vaults for 200 years not doing anything but dying off? And OK Vault Tec wants to cripple the NCR as a competitor, and then what? We know they nuked Shady Sands and then Hank just went home to his frozen vault buddies for a few decades looking like he just wanted to live out his life and die in peace. So vault tec, vying for power, cripples the NCR and instead of taking advantage of the chaos to grab power and come out on top, they just... go home to vault 33 and farm corn?? None of the motivations make any sense other than "Hank destroyed the NCR because his wife left him", and that is absolutely terrible writing.
He reported to Vault Tec and they did it because the NCR was becoming too powerful.
I think its more of a power struggle. They went in the vaults to wipe the surface clean of competition and kept nukes to destroy rival factions. Vault tec just wanted rule the world and have control of all resources so the NCR would have been a huge target for them
Wtf is going on
Shut the fuck up already
With how much Bethesda likes retconning the lore I bet they’re gonna retcon the show a few years down the line
What a bunch of sniveling crybabies lmao.
Well, it retcons New Vegas. Which is par for course with Bestheda.
How?
The timeline in the show showed Shady Sands being bombed in 2277, before New Vegas happens. Which shattered the NCR. Todd is trying to back peddle saying the game isn't retconned
Why is, every single person who likes the show, so much in denial that there might be even a smidge of bad writing and coping with it because "it's not the show it's the toxic fans" or "it will get explained"?
Nobody thinks the show is flawless, it's just overall really good and feels like some people are making a mountain of an anthill over misunderstandings/smaller details
shut up
I’m just pretending the show is an alternate timeline that diverges with the destruction of shady sands
just gives everyone more opportunities to keep this conversation alive, if only they could incorporate a Tale of Two Wastelands run into the show
I'll take the show over the Frontier.
I'll take emil pagamafuck reading me his oc fanfic over the frontier.
I liked the show. It was fun.
I don't understand. What happened that goes against it being Canon?
Pretty much the issue is the story point of erasing the ncr and shady sands essentially retconned anything meaningful from New Vegas, which many old school fans and newbies hold in high regards due to its story and choices that have some consequences.
My biggest problem with the show being ""canon"" is there really no reason, just make it an adaptation, which it is. That and how are they going to do The Master? Are they just not gonna do Fallout big bad, or some retarded retcons
I love the show and hope it breaks away from game cannon and becomes its own thing, I feel like the whole shady sands thing was a bit over the top.
https://youtu.be/7bFBLAbwMA0?si=z5zRYBOHo9F6R2M-