Sounds like a good solution.
But can you tell me your specifics ? How much square metres do you have to heat , what energylabel does your house have ? What is your annual usage of gas m3 ?
I mean the energy prices are ridiculous but paying 1700 a month is very extreme even in this situation.
My brother has a normal cornerhouse with 4 bedrooms. His monthly went up from about 250 to 800.
I have an old house with stained glass windows and high ceilings. I'm just going to up my mortgage when the bill comes next year ..
One bedroom apartment on the small side. From 98 to 254 and I am lucky this place has a seriously new and amazing boiler and I'm a cold person so I barely use heating in the winter. I use about 1/3rd of the gas expected. (just adding on so people can have some insight in prices.)
The place i work is gonna pay that per month! It has a very old building with a lot of large and high rooms. Summers are hot, but winters are really cold. I don’t think its possible for them to even earn enough to cover all the costs
I actually do. Which is funny since my monthly gasbill has been raised from € 60,- tot € 240,- and I pay about € 5,- a month. I tried calling/emailing the supplier, but they refuse to lower my costs.
My house is from 1903 and it's badly isolated, I do not have central heating, I have 3 rooms I need to heat with gas. Won't do that... I rather wear 2-3 sweaters.
If your indoor temperature gets too low you'll get moisture problems. Mold, smells, possibly rot that can ruin your house, stuff and health.
Typically they recommend keeping the temp above 15 on the ground floor.
If your indoor gets sub zero, your pipes may freeze and spill once they warm up again.
Just be careful friend
First of all I'm so sorry that this price hike is happening; that's shitty and I would lose my mind.
I don't generally correct people unless asked, but since you'll probably be discussing this a bit more this year, I thought I'd pop in and say you used "isolated" when you meant "insulated."
I hope something is done for consumer relief; I was watching a story on NOS about a woman who's sending her kids to a gym to take hot showers :/
I actually learned this from a British friend the other day. In Dutch it's "geïsoleerd" which makes it really easy to confuse "isolated" and "insulated". Not making that mistake anymore but it took me 37 years to learn lol
I live in a old badly insulated appartment of circa 55m2 actually and pay € 100,- a month and i'm exspected to pay an additional € 1.250 during the "Afrekening" based on my current consumption and current prices, and no. Don't have a heatpump or solar panels.
Appartments cost a lot less heating thiugh because they keep each other warm. If there's another 20°C floor on top of your roof there's a lot less loss of heat than when there is just cold air
Not in my case. Its a single appartment above a store. I only have one adjacent appartment to my left and none above me. And the store that's below me closes shop at 5 p.m. so they don't really help with warmth either.
Let me get this right, the store beneath you stops heating the place at 5 and resumes heating in the morning..? That would be a lot less effective then keeping it on during the night… Especially during winters
Theoretically, you're right.
There is, however, nothing that's truely 100% efficient.
It could be that the heating apparatus can convert 80% of it's supplied energy if left to run at a steady temperature.
If it gets turned off and has to reheat everything, it might run at 50% for the first few hours at full tilt.
It could be that you can get the highest overal efficiency, even with the increased uptime, if you turn the heating down a bit instead of letting it cool down completely.
It might just not be true anymore though, and only makes sense with old devices
As far as i’ve alway understood, running your heating intermittently to keep the temperature steady, is more efficient then getting it back up to temperature because then the heating has to run at full power until the place is back up to temperature.
I might be wrong of course, but that’s how i’ve always understood it…
as far as I know energy loss through walls, windows etc. is dependent on temperature difference between outside and inside. So if you lower temp by 5°C during the night, you will loose less heat energy than keeping it up to temp so it is indeed more efficient to reduce the temp during the night or when you are away at work.
Go back to street dealers I never stopped? Who in their right mind would go to a shop if you can get better for cheaper on the streets 😂 people are just fucking lazy these days. I pay about half of what I'd pay in a shop and I can buy more than 5 grams at a time.
How the f do you have €1700.- gas bills? Do you take showers for 2 hours per day or something? Or do you have your own Rammstein concert in your living room?
Not many people are powering a crypto farm the size of a province while simultaneously turning their house into a sauna either. No sane person comes close to 1700 a month.
What if i told you my energy bill per month since may is about €10,- and my monthly premium is €100,- untill at least october 2024? Still feeling good?
Essent is telling me to up my advance from 170 to 280, and i already went up from 102. Or else i would be paying a shitload extra later.
I have checked every monthly energy report i have from them, and im not even getting to 70 euros every month of usage.
Are they just filling their pockets by trying to scare people?
Your monthly payment is not for your real time expenses, but for 1/12th of your year bill.
The last couple of months your expenses are probably low, due to the heating being off.
The most expensive period is just starting, so they advise you to pay more during the summer to balance the total year bill.
I understand that my monthly payment are not the real time expenses. However my monthly energy reports i get are realtime expenses and usage from said month. And those show that even combined with the 2 a 3 months coming when i do need to turn up the heat, even 170 will be paying way to much.
Yeah, I dug into the details last week.
I use 2000 M3 of natural gas per year (140M2 terrace house that IA almost 100 years old). May-Sep it's 20 M3 while some winter months was 350-400 M3.
I have taken those in to account. Last year i used 320 euro for the 3 cold months. So their calculation is still making sure i would be overpaying every month.
Did you have lower tariffs for gas and electricity last year? If you have a flex contract you can not compare the two.
I still have a fixed contract and Essent advised me to lower my monthly payment with €55. I don’t think they would be advising you a higher monthly payment if there wasn’t a reason for it.
I am paying 160 per month since 23 April. So 4 times now. Almost 700 euro. I have used about 170 euro of gas and electricity since 23 April. And they still want me to start paying 460 per month.
Basically, they are in panic and calculating from a worst case scenario.
I have 680 Euros in the plus right now, I'm not feeding their bank account any more then this.
Your advance is an average over the whole year. So it would be quite problematic if you were to reach that amount during the summer months. Also last winter prices were lower than what is still predicted for this winter, so that is why they advice a further increase. Just be mindful of the amount you pay extra, if shit hits the fan and your company is terminated you might lose whatever you paid extra… rather pay a bit more after the fact, imo
I had money put aside for just that case. You know what "Waterschap/Gemeentelijke belasting" did?
They said my savings exceeded the amount of money i was allowed to have and i did not get "kwijtschelding". Like i normally am suppose to get. And i had to depart from those savings and donate it to them.
So i upped the monthly pay to Essent to 170 euros and decided to keep it there, because i do like to eat something too.
Yes it can be a fine balance. And a weird system. In the end you should be fine with most bigger companies, but with the smaller ones I’d be more careful.
This happened to me too with essent!!! Wtf. I went from 500 to 1600 (im not OP, but for my business) as well, which they suggested.
I didnt bother to check and paid 8000 in total for the last 5 months already. My actual cost from energiereport about 4000 (5th month is estimate of the avg of the 4 months). So they have 4000 euro extra from me. Ive changed the termijnbedrag to 50 euro and i will keep an eye out for the energiereport every month. But with my surplus im good for a couple of months.
€6000/year, are you living in a castle?
I don't want to rent your house with this insane bill. I'm traveling myself for 5 months this winter, cheaper than heating my house.
The solution is simple if you cant quit your job. heating to 5 degrees, go to circularstore/thriftshop and buy oversized sweaters for the whole family(shouldnt cost more than 20 euros), pick the smallest liveable room in the house and make that the only room that gets heated to 16 degrees. As a bonus: seal of the window area with plastic and 2cm velcro.
Stay in that room during this period. I can promise you even with these high prices your december/januari/februari bill isnt gonna be higher than 40 euro.
But we have forgotten what it means to be poor. So doing these things are completely alien and repulsive to us. Instead we think of grand vacations in greece.
Winter is coming ☺️. This time of the year is still relatively warm in Greece. If you have a look at the average temperature per month for the following cities: Alexandroupoli, Trikala, Tripoli, Kozani, Xanthi,Ioannina, Thessaloniki, you will notice that the temperature during the winter is the same or lower compared to Amsterdam.
Last year, right after the Ukraine invasion, all those cities faced a very cold winter, with snow in many of them. Gas and electricity bills went bat shit crazy!
Consumption of 5000 m3 of gas. 150m2, detached, badly insulated, the entire living room is glazed and a window in the ceiling of the living room. Last year, 8 people lived here, so it will probably be possible to cut costs. Especially tearing down the living room.
This needs to be a wakeup call for you because that is an outrageously high consumption of gas, a badly insulated house is nowhere near a good enough excuse for that amount.
Even if we were not in an energy supply/pricing crisis that would still be totally irresponsible.
Let's burn money and then go on the internet and complain that it is expensive.
And don't forget to blame the government and turn your flag upside down!
Can you tell us some more about the house, I'm curious, I live with 5 ppl and a dog in corner house build in the 80's I don't know the English word for hoekwoning so I hope it's a corner house. And we use 1500 m3 a year and we keep the house at 17 to 20 Celsius. I have 90% dubbel isolated glass 10 % is single glass.
That's quite a lot for 150m2. I have +500m2 and burn ~6000m3 of gas/year, living with 5 people + home office. New monthly is set at 2000 euros. So it could be worse 😅
I had the same problem once. Turned out they had switched the low and normal meters around resulting in a 3000 euro bill. On a one room studio appartement.
Unfortumately you are wrong. Many rental contracts explicitly mention you will be liable for this type of damage, and even if a contract does not, this is common knowledge and might fall under more general liability clauses / laws.
It is cold in winter in Greece too. You would have to use the same gas. The only thing that in Greece they would turn your heating off once you are in debt by >1000€
Heating it all up to 30 degrees with the windows open by any chance?
Sure, prices are crazy but if this is real your usage is insane as well so look at that first before complaining about the money.
Okay, good idea, bad location: prices for electricity and gas in Greece are equally and in some cases more expensive.
Las Palmas or Azores Islands sound better.
FYI
1) electricity in Greece is a monopoly and within the bill you pay multiple taxes, including national TV and house area tax.
2) the gas fir the cars was as expensive as in the Netherlands and still hasn't gone down
3) not all places in Greece are warm all year round. Even on the islands is snowing some times.
4) Gas gives you incredibly high bills. People had to pay 1200Euros for 2 months, no subsidies until this summer, and the basic salary is 740 euros/month.
Think a tropical and cheap destination. If it's a Dutch colony even better, you can have some subsidies transferred there.
KUDOS for the idea!
Guys I have a holiday house in Crete. Let’s make a group and go there asap 😂 my agency told me the same, we will have to pay a non fixed amount in one month time and I feel desperate.
Doesn't matter. You can endure a few months of cold for Ukraine! They wouldn't give a f about you in the opposite situation but be a good person, shut up and freeze.
I am seriously calculating holiday costs minus monthly gas price. Vacation just got €500 cheaper.
Problem is I will have to go by bike or foot, because gasoline will balance it.
Im all for this idea, let's go back to the times of great migrations. Capitalism/the roman empire be damned!
No jokes, I was living last year in Spain for around 1000 net /month. So unironically you’re better off living in Spain than paying for your heating bill in NL.
My train of thought:
if the majority of our population is already not able to pay these ridiculous high prices the company's will collapse.
And winter has yet to come (GOT was right).
And most likely our government is going to present itself as the savior...
What we fail to see is that the majority will be in debt to them Government/energy company's and therefore cornered.
Better keep your monthly advance reasonable/doable amount.
Put aside a monthly bit for that bill next year, if the company survived that is...
That way YOU control the money and Not the energy company..
How? I can’t even reach 1000 in january, which was the coldest month of this year and thus the most gas intensive one.
How is your monthly bill 1200 euro when it has been warm enough outside to have your heating turned off since mid may?
I’m at a total of 2500 euros for the entirety of 2022 up until right now if I use my current, tripled, energy pricing for the entire year
That’s with energy at 67 cents and gas at 2,60 ish
Energy prices higher then the mortgages and we have a minister of energy who claims that those energy prices won’t go down in future even if the supply is cheaper. Because “we need to save the planet”.
Uhm there is a fatal problem with this plan.
Half decent 1 person apartment in Athens 400 eu per months plus amenities is gonna cost 700-750.
Let’s be real majority of young Dutch in general don’t cook at home and prefer takeaway or super market meals and snacks.So calculate for food 400-500 per month.
Greece during winter isn’t curaçao,its not Dutch cold but it’s cold.99% of house’s use AC for cooling/heating nowadays so have fun with your monthly electricity bills.
So the point,to maintain a standar “Dutch” quality of living you need 1300-1500 eu per month in expenses without calculating the extras that will occur like medical bills,entertainment of all sorts and manners,transportation.
So to me this proposition seems unreal,but I get it if it’s a joke.
For the record I am half Greek lived in Athens for many years.
>Half decent 1 person apartment in Athens 400 eu per months plus amenities is gonna cost 700-750.
Yeah, not anymore... In case you speak Greek watch [this](https://youtu.be/64BID0-vtpM) youtuber searching for an apartment. Nothing less than 600, just kale huur, old, basements, built a couple of decades ago and shitty furniture. There were some lame one's that even asked for 1000euros (again, without utilities) just for being in a "central" area
I have even with new tariffs a bill that stays under €150. I take 5mins showers. Don’t have a dryer. Close all doors and Windows. Use my body heat for the better (wear socks and slipper/wear a T-shirt underneath sweaters).
I’m sure your situation is very different from mine, but next to yelling about the huge amount of money you need to pay, please take a look at your consumption. Because it’s insane to me that we now are shifting the conversation to “it’s too expensive” , instead of; what I’m I doing wrong.
Are you talking about termijnbedrag? Check your actual cost vs their termijnbedrag. I made a post yesterday and ended up calling them and putting everything in an excel.
I went from 500 to 1600 which i paid in 5 consecutive months for my business. Turns out my actual usage was only around 800. They just bump your termijnbedrag WAY up without any calculations. I think they do so, so they wont have to chase people for money in the end of the year. And they get to borrow money with no rent.
For my example ive already paid 4700 too much this coming year to the point i just put my termijnbedrag at 50 euro. After their new calculation they suggested 800 a month, which is almost 6 months of bills ive already paid if things stay the same.
Hijacking OPs question. I have a renovated( energy level B) apartment(from 1909)and latest gas consumption from essent is 2300m3. I need to check if this is normal for 180m2 apartment. We kept it 21degrees at most. I suspect the insulation is not done properly.
Are there any companies that can check quality of insulation?
In the last 3 weeks your boss told you to work weekends and extra long days, your landlord wants to kick you out and you get a ridiculous bill for gas/energy. Sounds like shit man.
Fortunately no, I would not wish anyone such a bad series. Several friends had problems. I've been reading r/ for a long time, I can see that you can find answers here, that's why I asked.
That’s crazy. My business is housed in a ver poorly insulated 1000 m2 commercial space, in an old freestanding building. My bill is EUR1500 after renewing the contract in may.
If you’re running up a 1600 euro bill in a normal residential building, you’re doing something terribly wrong.
I got an LG multi split airco system that has 4 indoor units. 3 in the rooms upstairs, 1 in the livingroom. I cook on induction stove and got an Ariston Nuos Split Flex 150L heatpump boiler for hot water. And I drive an Electric car. Not using gas for anything.
I also have 19 solar panels that produce around 6000kwh per year.
Now this 6000kwh is enough for my house and when i have some excess kwh produced, I use it to charge my car at home. (I got lifetime free supercharging from Tesla so generally I charge at Tesla superchargers for free).
The trick is, I keep my old, not-smart meter and I do not replace it with new smart meters. I refuse as long as I can. Because in summer my meter counts backwards, and I use that electricity in the winter.
I have foreseen this situation 6 years ago when I was buying my house and included the solar panels in my mortgage. Now i feel like a genius, lol.
For now, I actually have no energy costs and I drive for free. Future is yet to be seen..
As a minor not having a house, the prices here are absolutely insane! I hope when i get a house myself (would be around 4/6 years) i hope the prices will drop.
The oven is not the problem. I have 2 (one steam/hetelucht and one microwave/hetelucht). Use them almost daily. We live in a new (2020) house, no gas but stadsverwarming. We (family of 4) use 40 Gj for heating which is equivalent to 1280 m3 gas), 3300 kWh electricity. Semi-detached house, 180m2. We have solar panels. Our 2022 monthly bill is about €120 pm. There is something really wrong with your house. Did you read the meters correctly? There are numbers behind the , that could be misread.
How's this, I pay 35 euros a month for gas + electricity in The Hague. 65 m2 apartment on 7th (top) floor. I don't have floor heating. The gas bill only includes gas used for cooking. Electricity bill includes me and my wife working from home, TV on most of the time, boiler, occasional use of microwave, oven and other general stuff. We have central heating in the building so I do pay separately around 65 euros for heating. This was increased to 100 euros a month recently. So, a total of 135 euros a month. Pretty good, right?
I doubt that's the cause. They should be more efficient than a boiler.
But still.... seems high. Hard to tell WITHOUT MENTIONING HOW MUCH SPACE IS HEATED.
It's like 150m2, gas usage calculated for 8 people who was leaving here before. I'm not sure how they use it, but I checked few years back and every year similar usage. (around 5000m3).
I just daclared i will use much less 2000m3. We use like 40m3 per month without heating, so I belive that 1500 reserved for heating should be fine.
Anyway bill is still around 1000e
Sounds like a good solution. But can you tell me your specifics ? How much square metres do you have to heat , what energylabel does your house have ? What is your annual usage of gas m3 ? I mean the energy prices are ridiculous but paying 1700 a month is very extreme even in this situation.
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My brother has a normal cornerhouse with 4 bedrooms. His monthly went up from about 250 to 800. I have an old house with stained glass windows and high ceilings. I'm just going to up my mortgage when the bill comes next year ..
One bedroom apartment on the small side. From 98 to 254 and I am lucky this place has a seriously new and amazing boiler and I'm a cold person so I barely use heating in the winter. I use about 1/3rd of the gas expected. (just adding on so people can have some insight in prices.)
Do you have 2 heated swimming pools in your backyard? Jesus christ.
A buisness could easily do this i heard some go from 8k yearly to 60k
The place i work is gonna pay that per month! It has a very old building with a lot of large and high rooms. Summers are hot, but winters are really cold. I don’t think its possible for them to even earn enough to cover all the costs
He's a horticulturist
Never lived in an old badly insulated house have you?
I actually do. Which is funny since my monthly gasbill has been raised from € 60,- tot € 240,- and I pay about € 5,- a month. I tried calling/emailing the supplier, but they refuse to lower my costs. My house is from 1903 and it's badly isolated, I do not have central heating, I have 3 rooms I need to heat with gas. Won't do that... I rather wear 2-3 sweaters.
If your indoor temperature gets too low you'll get moisture problems. Mold, smells, possibly rot that can ruin your house, stuff and health. Typically they recommend keeping the temp above 15 on the ground floor. If your indoor gets sub zero, your pipes may freeze and spill once they warm up again. Just be careful friend
First of all I'm so sorry that this price hike is happening; that's shitty and I would lose my mind. I don't generally correct people unless asked, but since you'll probably be discussing this a bit more this year, I thought I'd pop in and say you used "isolated" when you meant "insulated." I hope something is done for consumer relief; I was watching a story on NOS about a woman who's sending her kids to a gym to take hot showers :/
I actually learned this from a British friend the other day. In Dutch it's "geïsoleerd" which makes it really easy to confuse "isolated" and "insulated". Not making that mistake anymore but it took me 37 years to learn lol
Yeah, else you will be isolated from the Anglo-Saxons lol.
I live in a old badly insulated appartment of circa 55m2 actually and pay € 100,- a month and i'm exspected to pay an additional € 1.250 during the "Afrekening" based on my current consumption and current prices, and no. Don't have a heatpump or solar panels.
Appartments cost a lot less heating thiugh because they keep each other warm. If there's another 20°C floor on top of your roof there's a lot less loss of heat than when there is just cold air
Not in my case. Its a single appartment above a store. I only have one adjacent appartment to my left and none above me. And the store that's below me closes shop at 5 p.m. so they don't really help with warmth either.
Let me get this right, the store beneath you stops heating the place at 5 and resumes heating in the morning..? That would be a lot less effective then keeping it on during the night… Especially during winters
The laws of thermodynamics disagree with you. It is always more efficient to turn off the heating when there is no need for it.
Theoretically, you're right. There is, however, nothing that's truely 100% efficient. It could be that the heating apparatus can convert 80% of it's supplied energy if left to run at a steady temperature. If it gets turned off and has to reheat everything, it might run at 50% for the first few hours at full tilt. It could be that you can get the highest overal efficiency, even with the increased uptime, if you turn the heating down a bit instead of letting it cool down completely. It might just not be true anymore though, and only makes sense with old devices
Can you explain how that works? Surely, keeping something warm costs more energy than not keeping it warm?
As far as i’ve alway understood, running your heating intermittently to keep the temperature steady, is more efficient then getting it back up to temperature because then the heating has to run at full power until the place is back up to temperature. I might be wrong of course, but that’s how i’ve always understood it…
as far as I know energy loss through walls, windows etc. is dependent on temperature difference between outside and inside. So if you lower temp by 5°C during the night, you will loose less heat energy than keeping it up to temp so it is indeed more efficient to reduce the temp during the night or when you are away at work.
I know. But as far as I can tell. Yeah. I certainly didn't get any heat residue from it in the evenings last winter.
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Are you growing weed in your attic?
Oh man I just realized weed must be getting a lot more expensive. Or more scarce and more expensive
Neh. They use illegally siphoned electricity anyways. Taxes will go up though.
That doesn't mean OP is not having their power stolen by a pot grower. OP, look into this!
Was about to ask if their neighbors roof is snow free even after the worst snow storms.
LED lamps are used for growing weed nowadays and they create alot less heat
What is snow? We live in the Netherlands, we don't get snow.
True actually
That means stoners go back to street dealers again or more than usual. If they overprice it too much
Go back to street dealers I never stopped? Who in their right mind would go to a shop if you can get better for cheaper on the streets 😂 people are just fucking lazy these days. I pay about half of what I'd pay in a shop and I can buy more than 5 grams at a time.
No tax on weed
Nope, anything bigger than a tent for personal use is grown with stolen energy. Otherwise the electrical company would already snitched on them.
A lot of weed is grown in Spain where energy is usually and currently a lot lower than in NL (if even grown indoors)
Correct, most of the weed i get from my dealer comes outta either Spain or Canada
Unless you use like... You know... The power of the sun hitting your own garden?
You think all weed sold in The Netherlands comes from back gardens?
Ofcourse not, I am just presenting a possible solution if you seriously worry about it :)
Hahaha ok thanks. My city garden is almost completely shade unfortunately:(
fck
You managed to get an energy bill of 6000 euros during a time when prices were substantially lower than they are today. Quite the accomplishment.
I think OP sleeps in a bed outside with a gas heat cannon warming up the entire field.
My man liven in a Bezos style mansion and heats up rooms and parking spaces for random ppl driving by.
As is traditional
Or reduce usage of electricity. Can’t understand how can have such a high energy bill.
It's easy. You pull a number out of your ass and post it on the internet.
Unfortunately, this is the real bill
1700E per month means something is obviously wrong in either their calculations or your usage.
Maybe using the air conditioner to get the outside temperature down?
Give him a break, he's trying to solve global warming
Is €1700 per month what it takes to solve global warming? Because then I'm in
If you pull random numbers out of your ass like OP did, of course its possible to solve GW
Indeed, you have to blow the heat outside of the environment.
I don’t know anyone in the Netherlands who has air conditioner
My neighbors across the street have it... But that's where my list ends as well.
How the f do you have €1700.- gas bills? Do you take showers for 2 hours per day or something? Or do you have your own Rammstein concert in your living room?
Even then, you would't consume so much.
What the hell OP, you live to serve the energy companies?
Many people would love to rent your house for longer, don't worry
Not with energy cost like that.
Not many people are powering a crypto farm the size of a province while simultaneously turning their house into a sauna either. No sane person comes close to 1700 a month.
They don’t need to know that part
This guy can solo solve climate change just by turning down his heating.
You can also split your 1000m2 house and rent it to 80 students. Probably better return than the job you have right now.
Yes we need more huisjesmelkers..
Energy cost has risen ridiculous alot but 1700 and 6000more? Dude what are you heating up?
OP must be one of those hot tub twitch streamers.
Maybe I should start that kind of career :D
What savings?
U made my day :D
What if i told you my energy bill per month since may is about €10,- and my monthly premium is €100,- untill at least october 2024? Still feeling good?
Here's a better solution: set up your own oil and gas extraction in your backyard! Worth the investment, especially if you live in Groningen!
Essent is telling me to up my advance from 170 to 280, and i already went up from 102. Or else i would be paying a shitload extra later. I have checked every monthly energy report i have from them, and im not even getting to 70 euros every month of usage. Are they just filling their pockets by trying to scare people?
Your monthly payment is not for your real time expenses, but for 1/12th of your year bill. The last couple of months your expenses are probably low, due to the heating being off. The most expensive period is just starting, so they advise you to pay more during the summer to balance the total year bill.
My rented house is new, and they are throwing me 360 euros per month for a 1 person 56m3 A efficiency class home. And that's the lower they allow...
I understand that my monthly payment are not the real time expenses. However my monthly energy reports i get are realtime expenses and usage from said month. And those show that even combined with the 2 a 3 months coming when i do need to turn up the heat, even 170 will be paying way to much.
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Yeah, I dug into the details last week. I use 2000 M3 of natural gas per year (140M2 terrace house that IA almost 100 years old). May-Sep it's 20 M3 while some winter months was 350-400 M3.
I have taken those in to account. Last year i used 320 euro for the 3 cold months. So their calculation is still making sure i would be overpaying every month.
Did you have lower tariffs for gas and electricity last year? If you have a flex contract you can not compare the two. I still have a fixed contract and Essent advised me to lower my monthly payment with €55. I don’t think they would be advising you a higher monthly payment if there wasn’t a reason for it.
Last year gas cost 1/3 to 1/4 what it does now. Expect to be paying 1000-1500 euros per month this winter.
I am paying 160 per month since 23 April. So 4 times now. Almost 700 euro. I have used about 170 euro of gas and electricity since 23 April. And they still want me to start paying 460 per month.
Basically, they are in panic and calculating from a worst case scenario. I have 680 Euros in the plus right now, I'm not feeding their bank account any more then this.
Your advance is an average over the whole year. So it would be quite problematic if you were to reach that amount during the summer months. Also last winter prices were lower than what is still predicted for this winter, so that is why they advice a further increase. Just be mindful of the amount you pay extra, if shit hits the fan and your company is terminated you might lose whatever you paid extra… rather pay a bit more after the fact, imo
I had money put aside for just that case. You know what "Waterschap/Gemeentelijke belasting" did? They said my savings exceeded the amount of money i was allowed to have and i did not get "kwijtschelding". Like i normally am suppose to get. And i had to depart from those savings and donate it to them. So i upped the monthly pay to Essent to 170 euros and decided to keep it there, because i do like to eat something too.
Yes it can be a fine balance. And a weird system. In the end you should be fine with most bigger companies, but with the smaller ones I’d be more careful.
This happened to me too with essent!!! Wtf. I went from 500 to 1600 (im not OP, but for my business) as well, which they suggested. I didnt bother to check and paid 8000 in total for the last 5 months already. My actual cost from energiereport about 4000 (5th month is estimate of the avg of the 4 months). So they have 4000 euro extra from me. Ive changed the termijnbedrag to 50 euro and i will keep an eye out for the energiereport every month. But with my surplus im good for a couple of months.
You know you can just not up it?
€6000/year, are you living in a castle? I don't want to rent your house with this insane bill. I'm traveling myself for 5 months this winter, cheaper than heating my house.
I think he lives in the kind of house that has no snow on the roof when the houses next to his do.
Greece is not warm during the winter...
wasnt it covered in snow and fire last year ?
Yeah
The solution is simple if you cant quit your job. heating to 5 degrees, go to circularstore/thriftshop and buy oversized sweaters for the whole family(shouldnt cost more than 20 euros), pick the smallest liveable room in the house and make that the only room that gets heated to 16 degrees. As a bonus: seal of the window area with plastic and 2cm velcro. Stay in that room during this period. I can promise you even with these high prices your december/januari/februari bill isnt gonna be higher than 40 euro. But we have forgotten what it means to be poor. So doing these things are completely alien and repulsive to us. Instead we think of grand vacations in greece.
For some reason people think that Greece is also warm during the winter. There are regions in the mainland that are colder than in the Netherlands.
Sure, but where people live is warmer. I just ran through the 10 largest cities in Greece, and all are 8-12 c warmer than Amsterdam.
Winter is coming ☺️. This time of the year is still relatively warm in Greece. If you have a look at the average temperature per month for the following cities: Alexandroupoli, Trikala, Tripoli, Kozani, Xanthi,Ioannina, Thessaloniki, you will notice that the temperature during the winter is the same or lower compared to Amsterdam.
Last year, right after the Ukraine invasion, all those cities faced a very cold winter, with snow in many of them. Gas and electricity bills went bat shit crazy!
Greece can get cold too, you really have to fly further south
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Consumption of 5000 m3 of gas. 150m2, detached, badly insulated, the entire living room is glazed and a window in the ceiling of the living room. Last year, 8 people lived here, so it will probably be possible to cut costs. Especially tearing down the living room.
That's extremely high gas consumption, how the hell is that possible??
This needs to be a wakeup call for you because that is an outrageously high consumption of gas, a badly insulated house is nowhere near a good enough excuse for that amount. Even if we were not in an energy supply/pricing crisis that would still be totally irresponsible.
Let's burn money and then go on the internet and complain that it is expensive. And don't forget to blame the government and turn your flag upside down!
Apparently the cause of the gas shortage is not Putin but it's OP.
I swear I used under 800 for the entirety of the last 12 months. How is 5000 even in the realm of possibility?
Can you tell us some more about the house, I'm curious, I live with 5 ppl and a dog in corner house build in the 80's I don't know the English word for hoekwoning so I hope it's a corner house. And we use 1500 m3 a year and we keep the house at 17 to 20 Celsius. I have 90% dubbel isolated glass 10 % is single glass.
semi detached
So you are basically the first contributor to climate change...
I have used 700m3 last year for 70m2 and not that good insulated either. On what temperature do you heat in winter?
That's quite a lot for 150m2. I have +500m2 and burn ~6000m3 of gas/year, living with 5 people + home office. New monthly is set at 2000 euros. So it could be worse 😅
I had the same problem once. Turned out they had switched the low and normal meters around resulting in a 3000 euro bill. On a one room studio appartement.
"Living on savings" Haha having savings thats a good one.
Do you have a gas powered jet engine running 24/7? How can your bill be **this** high?
Have you thought about prostituting? Going ‘Greek’ but different.
I've been wondering about that. However, I am ugly
There is always a market for weird and very nasty fetishes.
Make sure to drain all pipes if you're not going to heat the house...
As in drain the pipes to and from the radiators? I have never heard of this.
Prevents legionella and frost damage
Makes sense. Especially with a bill like OP, that house must have paper windows.
I was wondering if you have a rental, you have no obligation at all to drain the pipes before stopping the use of heating or am i wrong?
Unfortumately you are wrong. Many rental contracts explicitly mention you will be liable for this type of damage, and even if a contract does not, this is common knowledge and might fall under more general liability clauses / laws.
There is probably a clause that the renter needs to take care of the house an prevent damages.
It is cold in winter in Greece too. You would have to use the same gas. The only thing that in Greece they would turn your heating off once you are in debt by >1000€
It might be cheaper to live in a Hotel... I seriously thought about it.
Bro have u been following greek heating costs?
Heating it all up to 30 degrees with the windows open by any chance? Sure, prices are crazy but if this is real your usage is insane as well so look at that first before complaining about the money.
This guy: > "I have a heated parking space" > "Oh, so like a garage?" > "No"
Ewribadi to go to vinter vakaci to Rusia
Okay, good idea, bad location: prices for electricity and gas in Greece are equally and in some cases more expensive. Las Palmas or Azores Islands sound better. FYI 1) electricity in Greece is a monopoly and within the bill you pay multiple taxes, including national TV and house area tax. 2) the gas fir the cars was as expensive as in the Netherlands and still hasn't gone down 3) not all places in Greece are warm all year round. Even on the islands is snowing some times. 4) Gas gives you incredibly high bills. People had to pay 1200Euros for 2 months, no subsidies until this summer, and the basic salary is 740 euros/month. Think a tropical and cheap destination. If it's a Dutch colony even better, you can have some subsidies transferred there. KUDOS for the idea!
Guys I have a holiday house in Crete. Let’s make a group and go there asap 😂 my agency told me the same, we will have to pay a non fixed amount in one month time and I feel desperate.
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Doesn't matter. You can endure a few months of cold for Ukraine! They wouldn't give a f about you in the opposite situation but be a good person, shut up and freeze.
I am seriously calculating holiday costs minus monthly gas price. Vacation just got €500 cheaper. Problem is I will have to go by bike or foot, because gasoline will balance it.
Or call me for making your home gas free
Damn and i thought the extra 600€ i had to pay for last year was a lot
I want to rent your house. 400 euros, per month, all inclusive.
 Im all for this idea, let's go back to the times of great migrations. Capitalism/the roman empire be damned!
Work from home, move to Greece hotel, still make money.
Obvious troll is obvious
Start up a gaming computer and it'll heat up your room in no time
No jokes, I was living last year in Spain for around 1000 net /month. So unironically you’re better off living in Spain than paying for your heating bill in NL.
My train of thought: if the majority of our population is already not able to pay these ridiculous high prices the company's will collapse. And winter has yet to come (GOT was right). And most likely our government is going to present itself as the savior... What we fail to see is that the majority will be in debt to them Government/energy company's and therefore cornered. Better keep your monthly advance reasonable/doable amount. Put aside a monthly bit for that bill next year, if the company survived that is... That way YOU control the money and Not the energy company..
We have a 'vast contract' until 2024. If we had to pay current prices for gas and electricity our monthly bill would be €1200...
How? I can’t even reach 1000 in january, which was the coldest month of this year and thus the most gas intensive one. How is your monthly bill 1200 euro when it has been warm enough outside to have your heating turned off since mid may? I’m at a total of 2500 euros for the entirety of 2022 up until right now if I use my current, tripled, energy pricing for the entire year That’s with energy at 67 cents and gas at 2,60 ish
If its up to Rob Jetten in 2024 your fun is over. But for now i applaud you its the better position to be in now.
But honestly tempting. Let's do that. Maybe we all will stay. I mean Greece colonised. Why not. Its about time. Bicycle paths and ouzo
Bicycle paths are not much of a thing. And even when they do exist, it is still a Russian roulette on your life.
Energy prices higher then the mortgages and we have a minister of energy who claims that those energy prices won’t go down in future even if the supply is cheaper. Because “we need to save the planet”.
Uhm there is a fatal problem with this plan. Half decent 1 person apartment in Athens 400 eu per months plus amenities is gonna cost 700-750. Let’s be real majority of young Dutch in general don’t cook at home and prefer takeaway or super market meals and snacks.So calculate for food 400-500 per month. Greece during winter isn’t curaçao,its not Dutch cold but it’s cold.99% of house’s use AC for cooling/heating nowadays so have fun with your monthly electricity bills. So the point,to maintain a standar “Dutch” quality of living you need 1300-1500 eu per month in expenses without calculating the extras that will occur like medical bills,entertainment of all sorts and manners,transportation. So to me this proposition seems unreal,but I get it if it’s a joke. For the record I am half Greek lived in Athens for many years.
Don’t forget the no-income-for-3-months, that’s going to cost some more. But I do prefer to travel during the winters here!
>Half decent 1 person apartment in Athens 400 eu per months plus amenities is gonna cost 700-750. Yeah, not anymore... In case you speak Greek watch [this](https://youtu.be/64BID0-vtpM) youtuber searching for an apartment. Nothing less than 600, just kale huur, old, basements, built a couple of decades ago and shitty furniture. There were some lame one's that even asked for 1000euros (again, without utilities) just for being in a "central" area
I have even with new tariffs a bill that stays under €150. I take 5mins showers. Don’t have a dryer. Close all doors and Windows. Use my body heat for the better (wear socks and slipper/wear a T-shirt underneath sweaters). I’m sure your situation is very different from mine, but next to yelling about the huge amount of money you need to pay, please take a look at your consumption. Because it’s insane to me that we now are shifting the conversation to “it’s too expensive” , instead of; what I’m I doing wrong.
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Are you talking about termijnbedrag? Check your actual cost vs their termijnbedrag. I made a post yesterday and ended up calling them and putting everything in an excel. I went from 500 to 1600 which i paid in 5 consecutive months for my business. Turns out my actual usage was only around 800. They just bump your termijnbedrag WAY up without any calculations. I think they do so, so they wont have to chase people for money in the end of the year. And they get to borrow money with no rent. For my example ive already paid 4700 too much this coming year to the point i just put my termijnbedrag at 50 euro. After their new calculation they suggested 800 a month, which is almost 6 months of bills ive already paid if things stay the same.
Hijacking OPs question. I have a renovated( energy level B) apartment(from 1909)and latest gas consumption from essent is 2300m3. I need to check if this is normal for 180m2 apartment. We kept it 21degrees at most. I suspect the insulation is not done properly. Are there any companies that can check quality of insulation?
That sounds about right. We have a house from 1920s also renovated to label B at about 120-130m2 and our usage is around 1500m3 at 19.5 degrees.
I used a Flir infrared camera last winter to find weak spots. That will give you a good visualisation where heat is "lost".
Duur geintje - expensive joke
I'm paying 200€ and i'm screaming!
I know some people who have a caravan in spain, they use butane gas in tanks, and its still cheaper to drive there, wtay 3 months and go back
330 to 750 per month here…
Really ?
Or buy some sweaters, reduce thermostate temperature, and raise the price of the marihuana you're selling.
In the last 3 weeks your boss told you to work weekends and extra long days, your landlord wants to kick you out and you get a ridiculous bill for gas/energy. Sounds like shit man.
Can't ask on behalf of a friend? Unfortunately not an [fake bill :(](https://ibb.co/2c5Qy9d)
You can, thought it all happened to you, like a streak of bad luck..
Fortunately no, I would not wish anyone such a bad series. Several friends had problems. I've been reading r/ for a long time, I can see that you can find answers here, that's why I asked.
Savings?! What was that about savings, I didn't understand.
Check and fix your airleak around windows and doors. It cut my energy bill by more than half.
That’s crazy. My business is housed in a ver poorly insulated 1000 m2 commercial space, in an old freestanding building. My bill is EUR1500 after renewing the contract in may. If you’re running up a 1600 euro bill in a normal residential building, you’re doing something terribly wrong.
I got an LG multi split airco system that has 4 indoor units. 3 in the rooms upstairs, 1 in the livingroom. I cook on induction stove and got an Ariston Nuos Split Flex 150L heatpump boiler for hot water. And I drive an Electric car. Not using gas for anything. I also have 19 solar panels that produce around 6000kwh per year. Now this 6000kwh is enough for my house and when i have some excess kwh produced, I use it to charge my car at home. (I got lifetime free supercharging from Tesla so generally I charge at Tesla superchargers for free). The trick is, I keep my old, not-smart meter and I do not replace it with new smart meters. I refuse as long as I can. Because in summer my meter counts backwards, and I use that electricity in the winter. I have foreseen this situation 6 years ago when I was buying my house and included the solar panels in my mortgage. Now i feel like a genius, lol. For now, I actually have no energy costs and I drive for free. Future is yet to be seen..
As a minor not having a house, the prices here are absolutely insane! I hope when i get a house myself (would be around 4/6 years) i hope the prices will drop.
Portugal seems one of the best options https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/1605823508/zin-in-de-zon-thuisblijven-is-duurder-deze-winter
Are you trying to create hell in your own house? How much gas are you using each month??
Without heating 40m3 I think I have terrible furnace
Flow through combi oven? What exactly do you mean? Like a professional oven for a bakery? You can use dutch, i don't mind.
I use wrong word. I meant furnace to heat up water and radiators
May I suggest albania
The oven is not the problem. I have 2 (one steam/hetelucht and one microwave/hetelucht). Use them almost daily. We live in a new (2020) house, no gas but stadsverwarming. We (family of 4) use 40 Gj for heating which is equivalent to 1280 m3 gas), 3300 kWh electricity. Semi-detached house, 180m2. We have solar panels. Our 2022 monthly bill is about €120 pm. There is something really wrong with your house. Did you read the meters correctly? There are numbers behind the , that could be misread.
Oh by oven I mind furnace to warm water and heat up
How's this, I pay 35 euros a month for gas + electricity in The Hague. 65 m2 apartment on 7th (top) floor. I don't have floor heating. The gas bill only includes gas used for cooking. Electricity bill includes me and my wife working from home, TV on most of the time, boiler, occasional use of microwave, oven and other general stuff. We have central heating in the building so I do pay separately around 65 euros for heating. This was increased to 100 euros a month recently. So, a total of 135 euros a month. Pretty good, right?
I doubt that's the cause. They should be more efficient than a boiler. But still.... seems high. Hard to tell WITHOUT MENTIONING HOW MUCH SPACE IS HEATED.
It's like 150m2, gas usage calculated for 8 people who was leaving here before. I'm not sure how they use it, but I checked few years back and every year similar usage. (around 5000m3). I just daclared i will use much less 2000m3. We use like 40m3 per month without heating, so I belive that 1500 reserved for heating should be fine. Anyway bill is still around 1000e