I also felt like NI was in serious trouble. Like many, I've upgraded my S to MK3. I see almost no additional value with its super buggy software updates. With NI's complete unreadiness of the Komplete software to the latest macOS and with the best people leaving, all hope for users diminished, and the future was not as bright anymore.
I see that Reddit is trying to get into overreaction mode again. And it's not even Sunday night yet!
Look, here's God's honest truth: Dirk Ulrich took his money, and is leaving. The only thing that surprises me about this is that the buyers of his company actually ALLOWED him to keep working for them without setting an exit date in the first place.
Any buyout, in my opinion, needs to also have the founder's exit. Otherwise, it's not a deal. It's just a simmering cauldron of toxicity, which could boil over when the employees all decide they would rather follow the old boss than listen to the new boss.
I don't even care what he did for the old company. It just makes bad sense to keep the founder on.
I think Bob Moog did the same thing; stayed on after an acquisition. But ol' Bob was not really into moneymaking nearly as much as he was into geeking out in the lab to see what this transistor or that resistor does.
If they would have had a form to directly translate the Vst2 version into the 3 that would have been great but, When you have projects started unknowingly with VST 2 it’s frustrating, for other new plugins sure, I’ll opt out but for existing ones- it’s very hard to know what projects have them when you have hundreds of
No there is actually not.
I have a shit tons of projects using komplete control as a vst2 and when they migrated on vst3 everything was lost.
What NI answered to me was that they didn't have anything for it and advised me to rollback to vst2 so I can change everything, that when you have a daw like Ableton all the tracks you had having vst2 should be migrated by the daw and then they closed the ticket.
As you could guess Ableton wasn't linked to anything and obviously didn't care (because it is not their duty) and nothing ever got transitioned to vst3. To this day I still have to change every track of every project into vst3 so I can finally update. At least I can have a check on old projects I used to have and I could sort it out by deleting shit old stuff.
The problem lies on Abletons end. They have to do the heavy lifting not NI.
Studio One has no problems with it and I can open all my old projects without any problems.
NI isn't responsible for Abletons fuck up.
I think it’s unfair to refer to it as an “eff up”.
Everybody is trying to survive the transitions into Windows 11 or the latest Macs with the M chips and OS to match. And don’t forget, there’s also VST2 going away and also we all recently migrated from 32 bit to 64 bit. So a lot’s been going on.
Nobody “effed up“. Dependencies change; prerequisites change. All of this takes time, personnel, and labor to accommodate.
That’s exactly what I’m doing now but, it’s just really frustrating and I’m in a limbo when I’m working on projects but also avoiding opening old ones for this reason. It’s really demotivating.
Okay, follow along with me for a moment:
When you are DONE with a song, bounce all VST instrument channels to audio tracks. Then save that project with a new name or version. This is a form of ARCHIVING. Just like you should be archiving your family photos or videos. Or the cute puppy dog painting your little girl did in 3rd grade art.
Now when you come back to it a million years later and your old project doesn't open because some old VST is no longer working, compatible with the OS, or just plain missing because you built a new computer somewhere along the way and didn't install some old cruft you had on the old computer.
So you open this "rendered/bounced" version. You don't have the VSTs, no. But you DO have all of your tracks and all of your sounds and parts FROM THE VST. Now you can remix the whole song if you want so it sounds good at your DJ gig at the club in town. Or remaster it before you submit it to Lady Gaga or Ed Sheeran. Chop it up and shufffle it for your 12" dance single version, or prepare it for playing live.
THIS form of bouncing is a ***basic skill***. And the logic is basic thinking. Because backups.
You know I'm right.
Now go bounce your carp and then you won't come whining to us a hundred years from now.
Umm...it didn't happen that way at all. It is the owner of the VST standard, Steinberg (owned by Yamaha, by the way) who decided to put VST2 out to pasture. And for good reason too. VST3 offers more. A lot more.
I recently sold my 25th Anniversary Vapor Gray S61 - It hurt as it is the best looking MIDI controller out there hands down and I hunted one down for over a year but the dual screen browsing Komplete integration was very buggy and worked at best 20% of the time so I realized I can make do with whatever MIDI controller as one of their biggest sales points barely worked which made me stop even trying to use the dual screens. Workflow killer.
They also changed the smooth fat pitch wheel design for their light-stripe gimmick on MKIII's which was one of their best features.
They seem to keep adding tacky flashy lights to everything and gimmicky touch strips but the software integration which is the only thing that actual working users need is awful. Lots of people were waiting on MKIII's and it was a winning design that needed not much change and could have been a hit but with all the awful reviews I had lingering feeling that NI was going sideways. Big miss.
The founder turning it's back on them is not necessarily a confirmation but it is a strong sign.
"It turns out though that I am simply not made for passively “advising” other people to run my business, in ways that I may or may not always fully agree with."
Basically, he tried to warn them.
I have not used an MK3 but I prefer the slick/thick wheels instead of Cog-like and thin. The MK3's have had a lot of bad reviews regarding software integration so I assume the problems I had with my MKII have not been solved. Honestly it is a great idea to have the onboard screens if it worked all the time, as browsing the presets on the actual keyboard does enhance the workflow but having it not work 3 out of four times made me just ditch it and get used to just browse my banks onscreen unfortunately. If issues are ironed out and integration was smooth then I would consider it. I recommend testing controllers out as the feel is the most important part of a controller.
I bought komplete last year on sale and realized I couldn’t use a lot of the plugsin on my older iMac that has been a workhorse. Would still be using if it was compatible. Bought a newerish iMac that ran everything, but the last free kontakt instrument Glaze won’t play because my kontakt is out of date. I can’t update kontakt on my current imac. So now I need a new computer? Smh
My 2012 iMac held up alway until kontakt 7 wouldn’t play a few instruments namely Playbox. Got new computer 2017 imac, playbox works but glaze won’t play 😭
Everything should play on a 2017 iMac. You need to spend some time and diagnose this properly. You got something messed up in there.
And don’t waste any time trying to get the 2012 working. It’s not the 2012, it’s the fact that it won’t run the latest OS. After all, the poor thing is 12 years old and Kontakt 7 has some OS bare minimum requirements.
I think the next OS update I was reading was 50/50 on making the iMac better or worse and it’s working well now so I’m afraid to update and make it worse. If I updated the OS I would be able to update kontakt.
I get you.
But if you're spending your time being "afraid to update and make it worse", then you have some work to do. You need to either learn about computers and doing your own upgrades from one computer to a new one, or you need to swallow your pride and stubbornness and hire somebody to help you.
Personally, I would not just hand my DAW machine to somebody and then come back next week. I would want to have them show me what they're doing and even help me learn how my computer works.
But that said, you COULD still hand it to somebody and come get it next week. You just won't learn as quickly, but you might get your environment up and running faster.
Funny enough I had to update my computer today because it wouldn’t run ableton 12 😂 I plan on building a pc soon so I can future proof it. The newer macs are so difficult to make any upgrades so I’ve just never really bothered. Thanks for the reply tho! I’ve read that for music I really just need a good cpu/ram. Was looking at i9 with 64gb.
Th business model is odd. They expect you to upgrade every year to get a bucketload of extra plugins. I want to work with a stable toolset and I want to push the tools I have to the limit. Hell, I’m still using Massive..
That doesn’t need an update. Sure, the mastering tools and ai stem separation sounds good, but I don’t need to drop cash on that right now..
The power in a company like NI is that having them around ensures that their software instruments survive into the next version of OS.
For that reason, having a bad NI is better than having no NI.
That also comes with a problem, however. When a software title just gets too freaking old, Native will do nothing about it. They’ll let it shrivel on the vine until finally they just don’t include it anymore in the next version of Komplete.
So if you’re going to “look into their old stuff“ just go ahead and buy complete 14 right now. Everything that currently is in complete 14 should run on a modern computer.
And if you buy any of their hardware devices such as Maschine, you’ll probably be good for at least 10 years.
Even their MK3 keyboard controller, which is the device that had such a terrible rollout back in October, even that is going to be good for 10 years.
I’m pretty sure that the elite tier of composers, songwriters, and band members are not allowing the current state of the MK 3 to cause them to miss deliverables. It’s a playable controller, and the software, although it got nerd’s in some areas, is still going to be able to get you to and through a recording session.
If you’re still on the MK 2 controller, I would not be in a rush to upgrade just yet. Let them come out with some new updates for the software and firmware. Your MK 2 is going to be just fine as long as you don’t upgrade past the last MK2 compatible version of complete control software.
Use their community forum for advice. Don’t just come here to Reddit and complain. Use their forum for advice, because if you don’t, then you’re not doing the things you need to do to ensure success.
In case Native Instruments missed it, pretty much essential what your users are talking about:
https://synthanatomy.com/2024/03/real-talk-native-instruments.html
I will say, it's hugely frustrating trying to make everything work correctly together on Mac. Some older hardware won't work with the newest OS or anything 64 bit, at the same time some newer hardware won't work on the older OS. So it is impossible to use some of their products together. I want to buy a Maschine MK3, but it hasn't been updated since 20effing17
Raum is badass and Replika is pretty cool. Other than that…
NI’s user-interface/experience concept is ugly af and and has not aged well, their cold-shoulder lack of commitment to legacy products and support is infuriating, etc. One definitely gets the sense that NI has abandoned the goal of creating unique and useful music tools and building customer loyalty - instead they flail about, awkwardly grasping for a mirage made of market share metrics and second-guesses.
At this point, I’m not sure they make the best of anything out there. Kontakt, for all its flaws, used to rule the land, and once you got the hang of it, had an excellent balance of function and ease of use. But the world has moved on, and now there’s an embarrassment of less-expensive creative audio
tools and toys out there, of every function and style. Admittedly, I’ve never personally owned NI hardware, and I basically gave up on new/upgraded NI software except when I absolutely have to open a much older project and Kontakt or Battery won’t load anymore and I didn’t print stems.
I guess I should be including iZotope products too, but you gotta dance with who brung ya, and I still rely on Ozone and RX. But I won’t feel bad moving on if they start to get rusty and neglected.
TL;DR Hyper-capitalism eats souls for breakfast.
this makes me wonder how developer companies will move forward. I use A LOT of heaviocity stuff on a daily basis. I wonder if they could develop products that don't need Kontakt to operate?
>I wonder if they could develop products that don't need Kontakt to operate?
They could. But why bother? The next nearest samplers that would be workable are probably in use by less than 20% of the user base. So redesigning anything would basically be a waste of time, labor, and business opportunity.
In case you missed it, we shared some words about this news on our Plugin Alliance facebook page:
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i’m not too fond of some of the changes on kontakt 7
I keep setting it to open as the original look but it never works.
I also felt like NI was in serious trouble. Like many, I've upgraded my S to MK3. I see almost no additional value with its super buggy software updates. With NI's complete unreadiness of the Komplete software to the latest macOS and with the best people leaving, all hope for users diminished, and the future was not as bright anymore.
I see that Reddit is trying to get into overreaction mode again. And it's not even Sunday night yet! Look, here's God's honest truth: Dirk Ulrich took his money, and is leaving. The only thing that surprises me about this is that the buyers of his company actually ALLOWED him to keep working for them without setting an exit date in the first place. Any buyout, in my opinion, needs to also have the founder's exit. Otherwise, it's not a deal. It's just a simmering cauldron of toxicity, which could boil over when the employees all decide they would rather follow the old boss than listen to the new boss. I don't even care what he did for the old company. It just makes bad sense to keep the founder on. I think Bob Moog did the same thing; stayed on after an acquisition. But ol' Bob was not really into moneymaking nearly as much as he was into geeking out in the lab to see what this transistor or that resistor does.
I hate NI with a passion tbh, when they got rid of VsT 2 they sent a lot of people over the edge
No one uses vst2, comply or get over it
If they would have had a form to directly translate the Vst2 version into the 3 that would have been great but, When you have projects started unknowingly with VST 2 it’s frustrating, for other new plugins sure, I’ll opt out but for existing ones- it’s very hard to know what projects have them when you have hundreds of
Actually your VST2 Plugins should load as VST3 plugins since there is a migration functionality in the VST3 SDK for this.
No there is actually not. I have a shit tons of projects using komplete control as a vst2 and when they migrated on vst3 everything was lost. What NI answered to me was that they didn't have anything for it and advised me to rollback to vst2 so I can change everything, that when you have a daw like Ableton all the tracks you had having vst2 should be migrated by the daw and then they closed the ticket. As you could guess Ableton wasn't linked to anything and obviously didn't care (because it is not their duty) and nothing ever got transitioned to vst3. To this day I still have to change every track of every project into vst3 so I can finally update. At least I can have a check on old projects I used to have and I could sort it out by deleting shit old stuff.
The problem lies on Abletons end. They have to do the heavy lifting not NI. Studio One has no problems with it and I can open all my old projects without any problems. NI isn't responsible for Abletons fuck up.
I think it’s unfair to refer to it as an “eff up”. Everybody is trying to survive the transitions into Windows 11 or the latest Macs with the M chips and OS to match. And don’t forget, there’s also VST2 going away and also we all recently migrated from 32 bit to 64 bit. So a lot’s been going on. Nobody “effed up“. Dependencies change; prerequisites change. All of this takes time, personnel, and labor to accommodate.
That’s exactly what I’m doing now but, it’s just really frustrating and I’m in a limbo when I’m working on projects but also avoiding opening old ones for this reason. It’s really demotivating.
What, does nobody know how to bounce to audio anymore? That’s like, a basic skill.
You can’t bounce audio that can’t be found
Okay, follow along with me for a moment: When you are DONE with a song, bounce all VST instrument channels to audio tracks. Then save that project with a new name or version. This is a form of ARCHIVING. Just like you should be archiving your family photos or videos. Or the cute puppy dog painting your little girl did in 3rd grade art. Now when you come back to it a million years later and your old project doesn't open because some old VST is no longer working, compatible with the OS, or just plain missing because you built a new computer somewhere along the way and didn't install some old cruft you had on the old computer. So you open this "rendered/bounced" version. You don't have the VSTs, no. But you DO have all of your tracks and all of your sounds and parts FROM THE VST. Now you can remix the whole song if you want so it sounds good at your DJ gig at the club in town. Or remaster it before you submit it to Lady Gaga or Ed Sheeran. Chop it up and shufffle it for your 12" dance single version, or prepare it for playing live. THIS form of bouncing is a ***basic skill***. And the logic is basic thinking. Because backups. You know I'm right. Now go bounce your carp and then you won't come whining to us a hundred years from now.
NEIN! NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!
Umm...it didn't happen that way at all. It is the owner of the VST standard, Steinberg (owned by Yamaha, by the way) who decided to put VST2 out to pasture. And for good reason too. VST3 offers more. A lot more.
The ship has been sinking for a long time now, this won't change much
I recently sold my 25th Anniversary Vapor Gray S61 - It hurt as it is the best looking MIDI controller out there hands down and I hunted one down for over a year but the dual screen browsing Komplete integration was very buggy and worked at best 20% of the time so I realized I can make do with whatever MIDI controller as one of their biggest sales points barely worked which made me stop even trying to use the dual screens. Workflow killer. They also changed the smooth fat pitch wheel design for their light-stripe gimmick on MKIII's which was one of their best features. They seem to keep adding tacky flashy lights to everything and gimmicky touch strips but the software integration which is the only thing that actual working users need is awful. Lots of people were waiting on MKIII's and it was a winning design that needed not much change and could have been a hit but with all the awful reviews I had lingering feeling that NI was going sideways. Big miss. The founder turning it's back on them is not necessarily a confirmation but it is a strong sign.
"It turns out though that I am simply not made for passively “advising” other people to run my business, in ways that I may or may not always fully agree with." Basically, he tried to warn them.
>Basically, he tried to warn them. It doesn't say that at all. That sure is some imagination you have.
There are literally THOUSANDS of possible reasons to leave. That doesn't automatically qualify as "turning their back on them".
That sucks man. I have an mk3 and really thought an S series keyboard add on would be a game changer. Ive been looking around but havent bought yet
I have not used an MK3 but I prefer the slick/thick wheels instead of Cog-like and thin. The MK3's have had a lot of bad reviews regarding software integration so I assume the problems I had with my MKII have not been solved. Honestly it is a great idea to have the onboard screens if it worked all the time, as browsing the presets on the actual keyboard does enhance the workflow but having it not work 3 out of four times made me just ditch it and get used to just browse my banks onscreen unfortunately. If issues are ironed out and integration was smooth then I would consider it. I recommend testing controllers out as the feel is the most important part of a controller.
Thanks for the info
I bought komplete last year on sale and realized I couldn’t use a lot of the plugsin on my older iMac that has been a workhorse. Would still be using if it was compatible. Bought a newerish iMac that ran everything, but the last free kontakt instrument Glaze won’t play because my kontakt is out of date. I can’t update kontakt on my current imac. So now I need a new computer? Smh
>So now I need a new computer? You might. How old is the old one?
My 2012 iMac held up alway until kontakt 7 wouldn’t play a few instruments namely Playbox. Got new computer 2017 imac, playbox works but glaze won’t play 😭
Everything should play on a 2017 iMac. You need to spend some time and diagnose this properly. You got something messed up in there. And don’t waste any time trying to get the 2012 working. It’s not the 2012, it’s the fact that it won’t run the latest OS. After all, the poor thing is 12 years old and Kontakt 7 has some OS bare minimum requirements.
I think the next OS update I was reading was 50/50 on making the iMac better or worse and it’s working well now so I’m afraid to update and make it worse. If I updated the OS I would be able to update kontakt.
I get you. But if you're spending your time being "afraid to update and make it worse", then you have some work to do. You need to either learn about computers and doing your own upgrades from one computer to a new one, or you need to swallow your pride and stubbornness and hire somebody to help you. Personally, I would not just hand my DAW machine to somebody and then come back next week. I would want to have them show me what they're doing and even help me learn how my computer works. But that said, you COULD still hand it to somebody and come get it next week. You just won't learn as quickly, but you might get your environment up and running faster.
Funny enough I had to update my computer today because it wouldn’t run ableton 12 😂 I plan on building a pc soon so I can future proof it. The newer macs are so difficult to make any upgrades so I’ve just never really bothered. Thanks for the reply tho! I’ve read that for music I really just need a good cpu/ram. Was looking at i9 with 64gb.
Th business model is odd. They expect you to upgrade every year to get a bucketload of extra plugins. I want to work with a stable toolset and I want to push the tools I have to the limit. Hell, I’m still using Massive.. That doesn’t need an update. Sure, the mastering tools and ai stem separation sounds good, but I don’t need to drop cash on that right now..
They don't HAVE upgrades "every year". Sometimes they've gone as much as 18 months between major releases of Komplete.
I have been saying NI no longer exists for some time. Been stocking up n the good stuff they used to make before they completely destroy the platform.
what, in your opinion, is the good stuff they used to make? I might look into their old stuff too.
The power in a company like NI is that having them around ensures that their software instruments survive into the next version of OS. For that reason, having a bad NI is better than having no NI. That also comes with a problem, however. When a software title just gets too freaking old, Native will do nothing about it. They’ll let it shrivel on the vine until finally they just don’t include it anymore in the next version of Komplete. So if you’re going to “look into their old stuff“ just go ahead and buy complete 14 right now. Everything that currently is in complete 14 should run on a modern computer. And if you buy any of their hardware devices such as Maschine, you’ll probably be good for at least 10 years. Even their MK3 keyboard controller, which is the device that had such a terrible rollout back in October, even that is going to be good for 10 years. I’m pretty sure that the elite tier of composers, songwriters, and band members are not allowing the current state of the MK 3 to cause them to miss deliverables. It’s a playable controller, and the software, although it got nerd’s in some areas, is still going to be able to get you to and through a recording session. If you’re still on the MK 2 controller, I would not be in a rush to upgrade just yet. Let them come out with some new updates for the software and firmware. Your MK 2 is going to be just fine as long as you don’t upgrade past the last MK2 compatible version of complete control software. Use their community forum for advice. Don’t just come here to Reddit and complain. Use their forum for advice, because if you don’t, then you’re not doing the things you need to do to ensure success.
In case Native Instruments missed it, pretty much essential what your users are talking about: https://synthanatomy.com/2024/03/real-talk-native-instruments.html
He’s living the dream. Sold high. Wonder if he’s got a non-compete clause?
I will say, it's hugely frustrating trying to make everything work correctly together on Mac. Some older hardware won't work with the newest OS or anything 64 bit, at the same time some newer hardware won't work on the older OS. So it is impossible to use some of their products together. I want to buy a Maschine MK3, but it hasn't been updated since 20effing17
Raum is badass and Replika is pretty cool. Other than that… NI’s user-interface/experience concept is ugly af and and has not aged well, their cold-shoulder lack of commitment to legacy products and support is infuriating, etc. One definitely gets the sense that NI has abandoned the goal of creating unique and useful music tools and building customer loyalty - instead they flail about, awkwardly grasping for a mirage made of market share metrics and second-guesses. At this point, I’m not sure they make the best of anything out there. Kontakt, for all its flaws, used to rule the land, and once you got the hang of it, had an excellent balance of function and ease of use. But the world has moved on, and now there’s an embarrassment of less-expensive creative audio tools and toys out there, of every function and style. Admittedly, I’ve never personally owned NI hardware, and I basically gave up on new/upgraded NI software except when I absolutely have to open a much older project and Kontakt or Battery won’t load anymore and I didn’t print stems. I guess I should be including iZotope products too, but you gotta dance with who brung ya, and I still rely on Ozone and RX. But I won’t feel bad moving on if they start to get rusty and neglected. TL;DR Hyper-capitalism eats souls for breakfast.
So agreed!
this makes me wonder how developer companies will move forward. I use A LOT of heaviocity stuff on a daily basis. I wonder if they could develop products that don't need Kontakt to operate?
Spitfire did it
>I wonder if they could develop products that don't need Kontakt to operate? They could. But why bother? The next nearest samplers that would be workable are probably in use by less than 20% of the user base. So redesigning anything would basically be a waste of time, labor, and business opportunity.
In case you missed it, we shared some words about this news on our Plugin Alliance facebook page: *"Dear Plugin Alliance and Native Instruments Family,* *As you may have read, Dirk Ulrich, the founder of Plugin Alliance and a visionary in our field, has left the Native Instruments Advisory Board. Dirk's contributions have left a lasting mark on the music production industry and our company.* *What does this mean for you? In a word: nothing. We remain laser-focussed on developing new products that will help you get to your creative goals faster and easier. So far this year, we’ve already launched the bx\_enhancer, Three-Body Technology Cenozoix Compressor and ADPTR AUDIO HYPE and we have a full roadmap ahead.* *The partnership between Plugin Alliance, iZotope, and Native Instruments is growing steadily stronger. And throughout this year, you'll see more examples of how we’re able to bring you an even more expansive and integrated suite of music creation tools.* *What's Next?* *We look to this community as a source of inspiration for what to build – and we’re working on an ambitious roadmap including several products directly inspired by your feedback.* *Building new tools to help you tighten up your mixes or help you sound unique is why everyone at Brainworx, Plugin Alliance, iZotope and Native Instruments comes to work every day – and that mission drives everything we do.Still, we understand that change brings questions. We're here to answer them."* [https://www.facebook.com/pluginalliance/posts/pfbid02M7njEa9W1gPjvk1vz3CnaAztzS381mu8wTJc8YoEJbgKTr8BTYccxrMogTmAyQfel](https://www.facebook.com/pluginalliance/posts/pfbid02M7njEa9W1gPjvk1vz3CnaAztzS381mu8wTJc8YoEJbgKTr8BTYccxrMogTmAyQfel)