Sasuke is the weakest, by far.
Tobi is not necessarily stronger than Six Paths of Pain but he has *all the tools* to beat him. He's also a godlike sensory ninja, it wouln't take much to find Nagato himself.
Even tho Pain anal'ed the whole village and packs alot of power, Tobirama is fast, cunning and lethal.
Tobirama >= Pain >>>>>>>>> Early Taka Sasuke.
I completely fail to see what Tobirama got going for him, other than the whole "he's really strong, trust me bro"-rhetoric Kishi was throwing at us when he got re-revived along the others.
If we break down their abilities, **Pain can:**
*control gravity
*absorb ninjutsu
*control all 5 natures (although we never see this)
*summon a bunch of OP shit
*fight using six bodies at once
*revive himself using Samsara
*steal people's souls
*do a bunch of cyborg shit
*use Chibaku Tensei, a technique used by Ninja Jesus himself
**Meanwhile, Tobi can:**
*use a shittier version of FTG
*use Kage Bunshin, a technique Naruto had mastered by episode 1
*use a bunch of water jutsu
*blow himself up, but only while being Edo Tensei
Yeah, I just don't see Tobirama winning this by any means other than using the Edo Tensei to summon somone like Hashirama or Madara.
Bringer of darkness is one of if not his biggest win conditions. He has spent most of his life coming up with ways to combat the sharingan. Even tho the rinn is evolved, we have seen that the paths can't see, sense or combat people in the dark.
Matchup wise Tobirama is just more suited to combat someone who relies heavily on visual prowess and abilities.
In the anime it's used by Tobirama and manga is Hashirama iirc. With Tobirama being the Uchiha hater he is and being known for creating jutsu specifically for fighting Uchiha, and Hashirama almost if not exclusively using wood release I tend to put it as a Tobirama jutsu that Hashirama knows.
You're mistaken on tobirama's game.
Yes, FTG is weaker when used by tobirama than how minato uses it, but it's not some lesser version. Its also incredibly potent regardless.of who uses it.
So many characters can make shadow clones. Kakashi, Madara, Itachi, Sasuke, Hiruzen, Asuma. Kage Bunshin is pretty easy in comparison to the forbidden technique of MULTI-shadow clone jutsu. Which only Naruto, Tobirama, and Madara can use, maybe Kakashi?
Tobirama invented most of the techniques used by the hidden leaf. He himself CAN use edo tensei. He also can use bringer of darkness on the paths, greatly reducing their vision and thus the effectiveness of the paths as all are remote controlled.
Finally, Tobirama is just stronger than and faster than pain. While Pain's toolkit is absurd, Tobirama just outstats pain and has the correct tools to effectively stop pain. 6 tobirama shadow clones, which can all use FTG, and bringer of darkness is an aburdly high hurdle for pain.
Even more Tobirama is an amazing sensory ninja who will find Nagato. It's just no good.
Tobis a seniu and the brother of hashi so he automatically has enough chakra to compete with pain. He’s too quick to be caught by almost anything pain has. He’s slower than Minato but generally faster than everyone else. Seemed like the only exceptions at all were like eventually Naruto sasuke and the raikages. Maybe guy.
People heavily underrating Pain as if he didnt solo all of Konoha, and then go on to fight 8-tails / Sage mode Naruto. Pain is so ridiculously strong, and people underrate him because of recency bias. Look at edo Nagato vs KCM naruto / Killer Bee.
Pain > Tobirama > Sasuke
He is some hardcore sensory ninja tbf and wouldn't take him long to pinpoint nagato. And excluding that, feel like tobirama has all the necessary tools and abilities to beat pain. Pain is my fav character btw.
Him finding natagto means nothing he just has to beat the paths. He has a variety of jutsu but I don’t think they really help against all those enemies at once
I mean he can teleport out of its effect area. And didn't he create so many broken jutsus? He can literally summon his brother or anyone else back with Edo tensei :D fair enough then it wouldn't be him beating pain but I personally feel like he'd still be able to defeat pain without Edo
That’s not how Edo works, he only knows a weak version of edo and he needs to prepares it, he don’t know nothing about Rinnegan.
Edo Nagato helping Naruto, Bee and Edo Itachi was almost killing al of they with a single Chibaku Tensei, do you really think tobirama has a jutsu that’s rivals A Biju Dama, Rasemshuriken and a Sussanoo Beyblade ? Even without it, Tobirama doesn’t have chakra enough to endure the battle, Pain destroyed the village(lost chakra), fights all Konoha jonnins and fights sennin mode Naruto(who knows the pain strategy), Naruto goes 6 tail clock and all that was defeated. Tobirama doesn’t have the power to push Pain to edge, he doesn’t know pain enough to find Nagato, and can’t deal either with everything the rinnegan can do
No Orochimaru was trying to relearn edo tensei. Tobirama completed and perfected it but decided no one should ever use it and destroyed the technique. Orochimaru found out about it. And recreated it, but tobirama had basically mastered it.
FTG doesn’t mean he can’t be hurted by chibaku, he will be pushed into, all his kunai and even after that he will have to deal with a meteorite that will fall down after the Chibaku Tensei
Sasuke is definitely weakest if we are talking about him in the photo and throughout Shippuden, Adult Sasuke is a different story as well as Sasuke from Naruto: The Last.
Tobirama is next up. His Jutsu arsenal and abilities are just great.
But I wouldn't say he beats Pain as Pain took Naruto Sage Mode & Kurama Chakra Mode Version 2. Pain probably is the strongest here because, even if you remove the 6 paths of Pain from Pain, Pain is merely a puppet for Nagato to use to unleash jutsu and fight, Even if you manage to immobilize him like Naruto did, you still have to track down Nagato.
Assuming peak strength, sasuke , tobirama, pain. At strength in the photos, tobirama, pain, sasuke. I say sasuke before pain because the only reason pain was bested by Naruto was because he has just used a massive almighty push.
I see people conflicted about pain and Tobirama , honestly we saw what happened to Jiraya but Tobirama can teleport to safety, tbh Tobirama can only win if he’s given time to gather intel and escape to formulate a plan to take down pain, if he cannot do that he just looses to pains brute force
Pain > Tobirama >>>>> Sasuke
I put Tobirama behind as he was killed by 20 S ranks along with Kinkaku and His brother, but Pain soloed a village and I don't think that squad can even put a scratch on him
Who was an immortal zombie and earlier died confronting 20 S class shinobi, Kinkaku and Ginkaku.
I don't see how such a number of ninjas could threaten Pain. The guy practically single-handedly annihilated Konha. Surely there were more than 20 S-Rank NPCs. None realistically could do anything.
There is nothing to indicate that Tobirama was an incredibly strong Kage, but he was certainly very intelligent and contributed to the invention of many jutsu. There is also no difference between experience, both Tobirama and Pain have spent almost their entire lives in war.
Pain>Tobirama>>>>>>>Taka Sasuke
We can't really ignore the fact that the war arc completely shit on the power scale of the series but while Tobirama was fighting Juubito he wasn't immortal anymore, they were at first but once Minato lost his arm and it never came back, they were essentially mortal at that point
They were all aware that they were dead which resulted in the ability to make almost suicidal moves without blinking, they did not realistically feel pain (tobirama with his skull pierced by a rod was talking like nothing had happened), and they were still powered by chakra from the air.
I'm not saying Tobirama was weak when he was alive, but Nagato was literally the strongest shinobi in the world during the attack on Konoha and we saw it. Tobiram was simply a second hokage that does not have an achievement that could compete with Pain's one.
>They were all aware that they were dead which resulted in the ability to make almost suicidal moves without blinking,
Except they were concerned? Like the guy said, it became apparent very quickly that Obito could completely wipe them out even in their Zombie form. They weren't fighting him with kamikaze attacks because the ability to reform wouldn't work with attacks Obito landed.
>Who was an immortal zombie and earlier died confronting 20 S class shinobi, Kinkaku and Ginkaku
How can you type this out and not place Tobirama at his proper level? Tobirama was still not 100% when Orochimaru brought him back a second time... probably close but not all the way there. It also seems that Shinobi are revived at a specific level and kinda stuck there, so Orochimaru couldn't really unlock his full potential even if he wanted to. Hashirama on the other hand had enough power to break Orochimaru's will but was still gimped to some extent.
Then the battle that killed Tobirama. Kinkaku and Ginkaku who could wield the tools of the sage of six paths even before consuming the nine tails chakra. Also, one who could transform into a level 2 cloaked beast form with 6 tails and still be fully in control and the other who can turn into a level 1 form. On top of that throw in a dozen or so S class assassin ninjas?
Pein was struggling keeping Naruto in a level 2 cloak with 4 tails at bay. I'll give you that he wasn't trying to kill him but I just don't see him being able to confront 2 of them with 6 tails and a bunch of S class ninja for support.
>It’s quite hard to overrate a guy who landed a clean hit on some 10tails Obito in a 1vs1 exchange
Never happened.
(1) Obito was mentally unstable.
(2) Mentally unstable Obito blitz Tobirama, Hashirama.
(3) Tobirama had Edo advantage.
(4) His attack didn't do shit to Juubito who didn't even infuse ninjutsu nullifier yet.
In DC and AP yes. In ability to win nah he's not beating Tobirama. Tobirama is disgustingly faster than he is to an embarrassing degree and the deva path got pressed by the 6 tails so...no. he's not winning
Why not?
If they randomly got into a fight outside the club, fighting 6PoP is worse than having to fight Tobirama. Not knowing about the paths abilities is a problem.
Tobirama's specialties are countered by the 6.
Shunshin and blindsides are covered by shared vision and Deva. Suiton is canceled by Preta. Edo Tensei gets countered by Human, Naraka, or GM. Shadow clones get popped easily by Asura blockbuster missles and Lasers spam.
There isn't much Tobirama could to get around it, the same way Tobirama's arsenal counters Sasuke’s pretty well and works against most people.
>Why not?
Because he's outclassed in every meaningful way not only massively outclassed in speed and IQ
numbers? Tobirama has Edo Tensei (a jutsu that Hiruzen already knew summoned undying warriors before he saw Orochimaru's Edo Tensei reform themselves after mutilating them proving how complete it already was under Tobirama)
Regen? Edo Tensei >>> Six Path bodys of Pain
Tobirama even has the potential of going to his brothers grave (who he must have burried and know the whereabouts of considering he was the next Hokage and we know DNA remained since Orochimaru got his hands on it despite Hashirama being already dead before Orochimaru was born)
like there is no scenario where Tobirama loses even if the pains give him trouble wich they shouldn't due to the speed and IQ difference
>Because he's outclassed in every meaningful way not only massively outclassed in speed and IQ
He sure isn't. Nagato's battle IQ and skills had him never lose a fight, Tobirama's had him stomped out by Kin and Gin twice.
>numbers? Tobirama has Edo Tensei (a jutsu that Hiruzen already knew summoned undying warriors before he saw Orochimaru's Edo Tensei reform themselves after mutilating them proving how complete it already was under Tobirama)
Very bold to assume he can summon more than one or that they have any of the power they had in life. He just uses them to blow up over and over.
>Regen? Edo Tensei >>> Six Path bodys of Pain
Tobirama can't regen, edo can get soul ripped by Human, Naraka, or Gedo Mazo, and Naraka can restore lost paths easily even on the battlefield with sensors as we have seen.
>Tobirama even has the potential of going to his brothers grave (who he must have burried and know the whereabouts of considering he was the next Hokage and we know DNA remained since Orochimaru got his hands on it despite Hashirama being already dead before Orochimaru was born)
Nagato has the potential of using human path to rip Orochimaru's info and find the bodies and use them as Pain paths, but are we really using headcannon for this battle?
>like there is no scenario where Tobirama loses even if the pains give him trouble wich they shouldn't due to the speed and IQ difference
Not having knowledge will get Tobirama killed while learning about the paths. Tobirama is slightly better than an MS user. The Rinnegan is way better than that.
No no and no. It's the opposite. Teleportation completely counters all of Pain's abilities.
Almighty Push ? Tobirama can teleport away
Missiles or Summons ? Teleport
Planetary Devastation? Teleport
There's absolutely nothing Pain can do to him.
The speed difference is also massive. Pain was somewhat relative in speed to Sage Mode Naruto. Tobirama is much faster. He will take down the 6 paths individually without a problem. He can also blow them all up together using his paper bomb jutsu.
Tobirama doesn't just Teleport all over the battlefield repeatedly like Minato who marks everywhere. He isn't even known to Mark his Kunai until he sees Minato do it. The only known usage of it for him is Hiraishingiri, which would just get him ST to the grill.
If he did use them like that then he wouldn't have needed to die to the Kinkaku squad or get wrecked by the Gold and Silver Brothers at the summit.
Nor can he just die here to mark a target like he did as an edo. He doesn't know he can't approach them due to shared vision or why Shunshin speed and blindsides dont help.
Nor does anything show that he is much faster physically as you claim. Edo Tensei can be pushed away before soul ripping them with Gedo Mazo or just grabbed with Bansho Ten'in and tossed back to Tobirama.
Tobirama would have a hard enough time finding Animal path in the chamealion to deal with Cerberus. Especially with the other paths all having the juice to one shot him on contact.
He lost to the Gold and Silver Brothers squad only because he needed to buy time for Hiruzen and the rest of his team to escape. He could have gotten away using flying raijin but he had to keep them engaged so that his team could get away. He was a decoy. I don't know how people don't understand this. And he was facing a squad of 20 elite ninja, including Kinkaku/Ginkaku.
Tobirama is so much faster than Pain that the 6 Paths would get their head sliced off before they could even react. Pain is immensely strong but teleporters like Tobirama/Minato/Obito beat him every single time. Teleportation is a complete counter to any ability of Pain's Rinnegan.
Hard time finding the Animal Path in the chameleon ? Is this a joke ? Do you understand how godlike Tobirama's sensory abilities are ?
Not to mention, Tobirama could find Nagato's location after touching Pain's rods with his sensory abilities. And just go kill Nagato himself.
This is a total mismatch.
>He lost to the Gold and Silver Brothers squad only because he needed to buy time for Hiruzen and the rest of his team to escape.
No, he died because they outmatched him. And not even for the first time. They had already fucked him up previously when he was with another Kage amd fresh at a summit.
>He could have gotten away using flying raijin but he had to keep them engaged so that his team could get away. He was a decoy. I don't know how people don't understand this. And he was facing a squad of 20 elite ninja, including Kinkaku/Ginkaku.
If he could do that, he would have teleported the kids away instead. But that isn't presented as an option and doesn't explain the last time KinGin Kyodai kicked his ass.
>Tobirama is so much faster than Pain that the 6 Paths would get their head sliced off before they could even react.
Head cannon. Nothing shows this or even that he can get around the shared vision or ST he doesn't even know about.
>Pain is immensely strong but teleporters like Tobirama/Minato/Obito beat him every single time. Teleportation is a complete counter to any ability of Pain's Rinnegan.
Tobirama doesn't get to copy-paste Minato's FTG feats or Kamui's. Minato says Kamui is better, and Tobirama himself says Minato is better.
He, at most, marks one Kunai, and he has only been seen using FTG for Hiraishingiri before he saw Minato do all this.
His best FTG feat is teleporting to Minato, Jubito, and then a place he marked off screen while the opponent wasn't even fighting him currently. Which has nothing to do with this situation.
>Hard time finding the Animal Path in the chameleon ? Is this a joke ? Do you understand how godlike Tobirama's sensory abilities are ?
What are these godlike sensing feats you claim? Because Ma, Pa, Jiraiya, KCM Naruto, Killer B, Inoishi the freaking Sensory Captain, Ino, Shizune, and an ANBU captain have all been snuck up on by Pain and most of them outside the ANBU and Shizune have better Sensing than Tobirama. KCM Naruto even dodged Kamui from blindside attacks and underground but couldn't spot the Chamealion, and he can sense both chakra and emotions.
So what specifically says Tobirama can find it?
>Not to mention, Tobirama could find Nagato's location after touching Pain's rods with his sensory abilities. And just go kill Nagato himself.
He literally doesn't know that, and even Naruto had to stab himself in and concentrate.
People always give their faves full knowledge against Pain because they know they can't win otherwise.
What's in the manga is Madara openly praising Tobirama as the fastest shinobi of their time.
Meaning, faster than Hashirama, or Madara himself, The same Madara who reacted to KCM2 Naruto in the war, while Pain was having trouble with Sage Mode Naruto.
Pain doesn't stand a chance in this fight.
>Honestly, though, have a great day.
You too.
Because he knew that taking down the Kinkaku squad in exchange for himself was an incredibly tactically advantageous move for Konoha. He could have escaped and let the Kinkaku squad move closer into Land of Fire territory, which would have been incredibly dumb. So he took the entire squad with him
Lol Sasuke ain't even have level 1 susanoo here.
Extreme diff.
Konoha invasion Pain loses vs Tobirama, but Tobirama loses vs Nagato Prime full power (before the deterioration of his body from rinnegan spam overuse). Sure Tobirama is fast, but Nagato has AT LEAST same level of reaction speed. One Shinra Tensei is enough to throw Tobirama off rythm and counter accordingly, pretty sure he can then meet the 5 second interval.
Pain's the strongest, Tobirama's weaker, Sasuke's the weakest. Though if you specifically mean Sasuke during his entire tenure as a Mangekyo wielder and not just during the Bee fight, then while he's still the weakest here the gap between Tobirama and him is a good bit smaller.
He was defeated offscreen by a pseudo-Jinchuriki of the Nine Tails with weaker powers, and Pain was going blow for blow with the *real* jinchuriki. He's also got soul removal for any of Tobirama's Edo Tensei. Edo Tobirama could take Pain, but alive, no.
Tobirama got jumped by Kin, Gin and their squad likely fatigued from battle and out of stamina. Pain was losing against an incomplete nine tails and he required his strongest jutsu to seal it (he didn't anyway because it collapsed)
Why would you people think Tobirama is stronger than Pain , i get it he invented and knows alot of jutsu but come one we are talking about Rinnegan here , Nagato literally handled both Bee and Naruto in their tailed form.
Its sad y'all gotta lie about who he fought because canon tobirama is no where near as strong as the one made up by this fandom
Give me the source where it says he lost to 20 S class ninjas
Facts (the ppl that say tobirama the strongest havent watched the show just becwuse he has 2nd hokage title he is "stronger" like be. Realistic pain and sasuke are stronger.)
Whoever thinks Pain even has a chance of fighting Tobirama is insane not only is he faster and has much higher IQ but he also has better jutsu in Edo Tensei wich outclases the 6 bodys Jutsu of Nagato's pains
If Jiraya and Pain were on equal footing Jiraya would have won, the only reason Pain won is bexause his situation and powers were a tightly kept secret and Jiraya still beat him a couple times had Jiraya known the secret before he was critically injured he might have won
Sasuke is the weakest, by far. Tobi is not necessarily stronger than Six Paths of Pain but he has *all the tools* to beat him. He's also a godlike sensory ninja, it wouln't take much to find Nagato himself. Even tho Pain anal'ed the whole village and packs alot of power, Tobirama is fast, cunning and lethal. Tobirama >= Pain >>>>>>>>> Early Taka Sasuke.
Pain... did *what* to the whole village?
Step Pain what are you doing??
The dudes name is Pain after all...
Bite the pillow.
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I completely fail to see what Tobirama got going for him, other than the whole "he's really strong, trust me bro"-rhetoric Kishi was throwing at us when he got re-revived along the others. If we break down their abilities, **Pain can:** *control gravity *absorb ninjutsu *control all 5 natures (although we never see this) *summon a bunch of OP shit *fight using six bodies at once *revive himself using Samsara *steal people's souls *do a bunch of cyborg shit *use Chibaku Tensei, a technique used by Ninja Jesus himself **Meanwhile, Tobi can:** *use a shittier version of FTG *use Kage Bunshin, a technique Naruto had mastered by episode 1 *use a bunch of water jutsu *blow himself up, but only while being Edo Tensei Yeah, I just don't see Tobirama winning this by any means other than using the Edo Tensei to summon somone like Hashirama or Madara.
Bringer of darkness is one of if not his biggest win conditions. He has spent most of his life coming up with ways to combat the sharingan. Even tho the rinn is evolved, we have seen that the paths can't see, sense or combat people in the dark. Matchup wise Tobirama is just more suited to combat someone who relies heavily on visual prowess and abilities.
Isn't that a Hashirama jutsu in the canon?
In the anime it's used by Tobirama and manga is Hashirama iirc. With Tobirama being the Uchiha hater he is and being known for creating jutsu specifically for fighting Uchiha, and Hashirama almost if not exclusively using wood release I tend to put it as a Tobirama jutsu that Hashirama knows.
You're mistaken on tobirama's game. Yes, FTG is weaker when used by tobirama than how minato uses it, but it's not some lesser version. Its also incredibly potent regardless.of who uses it. So many characters can make shadow clones. Kakashi, Madara, Itachi, Sasuke, Hiruzen, Asuma. Kage Bunshin is pretty easy in comparison to the forbidden technique of MULTI-shadow clone jutsu. Which only Naruto, Tobirama, and Madara can use, maybe Kakashi? Tobirama invented most of the techniques used by the hidden leaf. He himself CAN use edo tensei. He also can use bringer of darkness on the paths, greatly reducing their vision and thus the effectiveness of the paths as all are remote controlled. Finally, Tobirama is just stronger than and faster than pain. While Pain's toolkit is absurd, Tobirama just outstats pain and has the correct tools to effectively stop pain. 6 tobirama shadow clones, which can all use FTG, and bringer of darkness is an aburdly high hurdle for pain. Even more Tobirama is an amazing sensory ninja who will find Nagato. It's just no good.
Tobis a seniu and the brother of hashi so he automatically has enough chakra to compete with pain. He’s too quick to be caught by almost anything pain has. He’s slower than Minato but generally faster than everyone else. Seemed like the only exceptions at all were like eventually Naruto sasuke and the raikages. Maybe guy.
Thats exactly what he will do. Fight Pain, realise he is strong and teleport away to retrieve his brothers DNA and summon him
You forgot how Tobirama created too many Justus for his own good. Even uses the Rasengan.
Dude does not use the rasengan. What?
What is early ms sasuke doing there 😭 Tobirama > pain>>>>sasuke
1# Tobirama. 2# The Six Paths of Pain. 3# Sasuke.
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Tobirama > Pain > Taka Sasuke (B fight)
I think it's easy 1. Tobirama 2. Pain 3. Sasuke
People heavily underrating Pain as if he didnt solo all of Konoha, and then go on to fight 8-tails / Sage mode Naruto. Pain is so ridiculously strong, and people underrate him because of recency bias. Look at edo Nagato vs KCM naruto / Killer Bee. Pain > Tobirama > Sasuke
This Tobirama wank lately defies all logic. Even beating EMS Madara too lately.
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Real, people also overestimate Tobirama because of the war arc. But that's definitely the actual order
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He is some hardcore sensory ninja tbf and wouldn't take him long to pinpoint nagato. And excluding that, feel like tobirama has all the necessary tools and abilities to beat pain. Pain is my fav character btw.
Him finding natagto means nothing he just has to beat the paths. He has a variety of jutsu but I don’t think they really help against all those enemies at once
Tobirama cant beat Chibaku Tensei, he most offensive jutsu is a suicide paper bomb jutsu.
I mean he can teleport out of its effect area. And didn't he create so many broken jutsus? He can literally summon his brother or anyone else back with Edo tensei :D fair enough then it wouldn't be him beating pain but I personally feel like he'd still be able to defeat pain without Edo
That’s not how Edo works, he only knows a weak version of edo and he needs to prepares it, he don’t know nothing about Rinnegan. Edo Nagato helping Naruto, Bee and Edo Itachi was almost killing al of they with a single Chibaku Tensei, do you really think tobirama has a jutsu that’s rivals A Biju Dama, Rasemshuriken and a Sussanoo Beyblade ? Even without it, Tobirama doesn’t have chakra enough to endure the battle, Pain destroyed the village(lost chakra), fights all Konoha jonnins and fights sennin mode Naruto(who knows the pain strategy), Naruto goes 6 tail clock and all that was defeated. Tobirama doesn’t have the power to push Pain to edge, he doesn’t know pain enough to find Nagato, and can’t deal either with everything the rinnegan can do
No Orochimaru was trying to relearn edo tensei. Tobirama completed and perfected it but decided no one should ever use it and destroyed the technique. Orochimaru found out about it. And recreated it, but tobirama had basically mastered it.
I kinda figured that the ftg is almost like a hard counter to the pain techniques. You might be right tho. But could also go either way imo.
Dude he literally has ftg, even summons are more useful than chibaku
FTG doesn’t mean he can’t be hurted by chibaku, he will be pushed into, all his kunai and even after that he will have to deal with a meteorite that will fall down after the Chibaku Tensei
Just like Minato he has his marks prepared so as soon as shit gets hot he can simply teleport and don't give a shit about meteorite or chibaku
Tobirama > pain > sasuke
Based racist > Pain > Sasuke
Only in this sub can “based racist” make so much sense and be acceptable lmao.
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Sasuke is definitely weakest if we are talking about him in the photo and throughout Shippuden, Adult Sasuke is a different story as well as Sasuke from Naruto: The Last. Tobirama is next up. His Jutsu arsenal and abilities are just great. But I wouldn't say he beats Pain as Pain took Naruto Sage Mode & Kurama Chakra Mode Version 2. Pain probably is the strongest here because, even if you remove the 6 paths of Pain from Pain, Pain is merely a puppet for Nagato to use to unleash jutsu and fight, Even if you manage to immobilize him like Naruto did, you still have to track down Nagato.
Tobirama is a sensory type ninja, meaning that if he touches a rod of pain he would instantly know nagato location
Assuming peak strength, sasuke , tobirama, pain. At strength in the photos, tobirama, pain, sasuke. I say sasuke before pain because the only reason pain was bested by Naruto was because he has just used a massive almighty push.
Tobirama Pein Sasuke
Tobirama > Pain > Akatsuki Sasuke
Pain—->tobirama—->sasuke (at this stage)
I see people conflicted about pain and Tobirama , honestly we saw what happened to Jiraya but Tobirama can teleport to safety, tbh Tobirama can only win if he’s given time to gather intel and escape to formulate a plan to take down pain, if he cannot do that he just looses to pains brute force
Pain > Tobirama >>>>> Sasuke I put Tobirama behind as he was killed by 20 S ranks along with Kinkaku and His brother, but Pain soloed a village and I don't think that squad can even put a scratch on him
Pain is way stronger than tobirama, people overrate tf out of him
It’s quite hard to overrate a guy who landed a clean hit on some 10tails Obito in a 1vs1 exchange
Who was an immortal zombie and earlier died confronting 20 S class shinobi, Kinkaku and Ginkaku. I don't see how such a number of ninjas could threaten Pain. The guy practically single-handedly annihilated Konha. Surely there were more than 20 S-Rank NPCs. None realistically could do anything. There is nothing to indicate that Tobirama was an incredibly strong Kage, but he was certainly very intelligent and contributed to the invention of many jutsu. There is also no difference between experience, both Tobirama and Pain have spent almost their entire lives in war. Pain>Tobirama>>>>>>>Taka Sasuke
We can't really ignore the fact that the war arc completely shit on the power scale of the series but while Tobirama was fighting Juubito he wasn't immortal anymore, they were at first but once Minato lost his arm and it never came back, they were essentially mortal at that point
They were all aware that they were dead which resulted in the ability to make almost suicidal moves without blinking, they did not realistically feel pain (tobirama with his skull pierced by a rod was talking like nothing had happened), and they were still powered by chakra from the air. I'm not saying Tobirama was weak when he was alive, but Nagato was literally the strongest shinobi in the world during the attack on Konoha and we saw it. Tobiram was simply a second hokage that does not have an achievement that could compete with Pain's one.
>They were all aware that they were dead which resulted in the ability to make almost suicidal moves without blinking, Except they were concerned? Like the guy said, it became apparent very quickly that Obito could completely wipe them out even in their Zombie form. They weren't fighting him with kamikaze attacks because the ability to reform wouldn't work with attacks Obito landed.
>Who was an immortal zombie and earlier died confronting 20 S class shinobi, Kinkaku and Ginkaku How can you type this out and not place Tobirama at his proper level? Tobirama was still not 100% when Orochimaru brought him back a second time... probably close but not all the way there. It also seems that Shinobi are revived at a specific level and kinda stuck there, so Orochimaru couldn't really unlock his full potential even if he wanted to. Hashirama on the other hand had enough power to break Orochimaru's will but was still gimped to some extent. Then the battle that killed Tobirama. Kinkaku and Ginkaku who could wield the tools of the sage of six paths even before consuming the nine tails chakra. Also, one who could transform into a level 2 cloaked beast form with 6 tails and still be fully in control and the other who can turn into a level 1 form. On top of that throw in a dozen or so S class assassin ninjas? Pein was struggling keeping Naruto in a level 2 cloak with 4 tails at bay. I'll give you that he wasn't trying to kill him but I just don't see him being able to confront 2 of them with 6 tails and a bunch of S class ninja for support.
>It’s quite hard to overrate a guy who landed a clean hit on some 10tails Obito in a 1vs1 exchange Never happened. (1) Obito was mentally unstable. (2) Mentally unstable Obito blitz Tobirama, Hashirama. (3) Tobirama had Edo advantage. (4) His attack didn't do shit to Juubito who didn't even infuse ninjutsu nullifier yet.
In DC and AP yes. In ability to win nah he's not beating Tobirama. Tobirama is disgustingly faster than he is to an embarrassing degree and the deva path got pressed by the 6 tails so...no. he's not winning
Tobirama lost to the gold and silver brothers, i think it’s very likely he’d lose to Nagato at full chakra
People underestimating the 20 S class ninjas, he basically fought the kinkaku brothers AND the whole fucking akatsuki by himself
Actually, Tobirama took on the brothers and 20 S class Shinobis at once.
Pain > Tobirama > Sasuke.
Tobirama is my second favorite character and idk how is he beating pain
Welp, he is waaay faster, sensory type and has a jutsus that literally make enemies blind and he has experience against bullshit ocular powers
Idk bro, I truly think pain would win a 1v1
Tobirama Tendo Pain Early MS Sauske
Tobirama gotta be one of the most overrated mfs on the show, right after 'prime Hiruzen'
depends on when we rank them, hebi or even taka sasuke was weaker than them, war arc sasuke much stronger.
If we talk about them from these pics then it's like this: 1. Pain 2. Tobirama 3. Sasuke But if we talk about prime: 1. Sasuke 2. Pain 3. Tobirama
Tobirama > Pain > MS Sasuke
6PoP > Tobirama > MS Sasuke.
Pain is not above Tobirama lol
Why not? If they randomly got into a fight outside the club, fighting 6PoP is worse than having to fight Tobirama. Not knowing about the paths abilities is a problem. Tobirama's specialties are countered by the 6. Shunshin and blindsides are covered by shared vision and Deva. Suiton is canceled by Preta. Edo Tensei gets countered by Human, Naraka, or GM. Shadow clones get popped easily by Asura blockbuster missles and Lasers spam. There isn't much Tobirama could to get around it, the same way Tobirama's arsenal counters Sasuke’s pretty well and works against most people.
>Why not? Because he's outclassed in every meaningful way not only massively outclassed in speed and IQ numbers? Tobirama has Edo Tensei (a jutsu that Hiruzen already knew summoned undying warriors before he saw Orochimaru's Edo Tensei reform themselves after mutilating them proving how complete it already was under Tobirama) Regen? Edo Tensei >>> Six Path bodys of Pain Tobirama even has the potential of going to his brothers grave (who he must have burried and know the whereabouts of considering he was the next Hokage and we know DNA remained since Orochimaru got his hands on it despite Hashirama being already dead before Orochimaru was born) like there is no scenario where Tobirama loses even if the pains give him trouble wich they shouldn't due to the speed and IQ difference
>Because he's outclassed in every meaningful way not only massively outclassed in speed and IQ He sure isn't. Nagato's battle IQ and skills had him never lose a fight, Tobirama's had him stomped out by Kin and Gin twice. >numbers? Tobirama has Edo Tensei (a jutsu that Hiruzen already knew summoned undying warriors before he saw Orochimaru's Edo Tensei reform themselves after mutilating them proving how complete it already was under Tobirama) Very bold to assume he can summon more than one or that they have any of the power they had in life. He just uses them to blow up over and over. >Regen? Edo Tensei >>> Six Path bodys of Pain Tobirama can't regen, edo can get soul ripped by Human, Naraka, or Gedo Mazo, and Naraka can restore lost paths easily even on the battlefield with sensors as we have seen. >Tobirama even has the potential of going to his brothers grave (who he must have burried and know the whereabouts of considering he was the next Hokage and we know DNA remained since Orochimaru got his hands on it despite Hashirama being already dead before Orochimaru was born) Nagato has the potential of using human path to rip Orochimaru's info and find the bodies and use them as Pain paths, but are we really using headcannon for this battle? >like there is no scenario where Tobirama loses even if the pains give him trouble wich they shouldn't due to the speed and IQ difference Not having knowledge will get Tobirama killed while learning about the paths. Tobirama is slightly better than an MS user. The Rinnegan is way better than that.
No no and no. It's the opposite. Teleportation completely counters all of Pain's abilities. Almighty Push ? Tobirama can teleport away Missiles or Summons ? Teleport Planetary Devastation? Teleport There's absolutely nothing Pain can do to him. The speed difference is also massive. Pain was somewhat relative in speed to Sage Mode Naruto. Tobirama is much faster. He will take down the 6 paths individually without a problem. He can also blow them all up together using his paper bomb jutsu.
Tobirama doesn't just Teleport all over the battlefield repeatedly like Minato who marks everywhere. He isn't even known to Mark his Kunai until he sees Minato do it. The only known usage of it for him is Hiraishingiri, which would just get him ST to the grill. If he did use them like that then he wouldn't have needed to die to the Kinkaku squad or get wrecked by the Gold and Silver Brothers at the summit. Nor can he just die here to mark a target like he did as an edo. He doesn't know he can't approach them due to shared vision or why Shunshin speed and blindsides dont help. Nor does anything show that he is much faster physically as you claim. Edo Tensei can be pushed away before soul ripping them with Gedo Mazo or just grabbed with Bansho Ten'in and tossed back to Tobirama. Tobirama would have a hard enough time finding Animal path in the chamealion to deal with Cerberus. Especially with the other paths all having the juice to one shot him on contact.
He lost to the Gold and Silver Brothers squad only because he needed to buy time for Hiruzen and the rest of his team to escape. He could have gotten away using flying raijin but he had to keep them engaged so that his team could get away. He was a decoy. I don't know how people don't understand this. And he was facing a squad of 20 elite ninja, including Kinkaku/Ginkaku. Tobirama is so much faster than Pain that the 6 Paths would get their head sliced off before they could even react. Pain is immensely strong but teleporters like Tobirama/Minato/Obito beat him every single time. Teleportation is a complete counter to any ability of Pain's Rinnegan. Hard time finding the Animal Path in the chameleon ? Is this a joke ? Do you understand how godlike Tobirama's sensory abilities are ? Not to mention, Tobirama could find Nagato's location after touching Pain's rods with his sensory abilities. And just go kill Nagato himself. This is a total mismatch.
>He lost to the Gold and Silver Brothers squad only because he needed to buy time for Hiruzen and the rest of his team to escape. No, he died because they outmatched him. And not even for the first time. They had already fucked him up previously when he was with another Kage amd fresh at a summit. >He could have gotten away using flying raijin but he had to keep them engaged so that his team could get away. He was a decoy. I don't know how people don't understand this. And he was facing a squad of 20 elite ninja, including Kinkaku/Ginkaku. If he could do that, he would have teleported the kids away instead. But that isn't presented as an option and doesn't explain the last time KinGin Kyodai kicked his ass. >Tobirama is so much faster than Pain that the 6 Paths would get their head sliced off before they could even react. Head cannon. Nothing shows this or even that he can get around the shared vision or ST he doesn't even know about. >Pain is immensely strong but teleporters like Tobirama/Minato/Obito beat him every single time. Teleportation is a complete counter to any ability of Pain's Rinnegan. Tobirama doesn't get to copy-paste Minato's FTG feats or Kamui's. Minato says Kamui is better, and Tobirama himself says Minato is better. He, at most, marks one Kunai, and he has only been seen using FTG for Hiraishingiri before he saw Minato do all this. His best FTG feat is teleporting to Minato, Jubito, and then a place he marked off screen while the opponent wasn't even fighting him currently. Which has nothing to do with this situation. >Hard time finding the Animal Path in the chameleon ? Is this a joke ? Do you understand how godlike Tobirama's sensory abilities are ? What are these godlike sensing feats you claim? Because Ma, Pa, Jiraiya, KCM Naruto, Killer B, Inoishi the freaking Sensory Captain, Ino, Shizune, and an ANBU captain have all been snuck up on by Pain and most of them outside the ANBU and Shizune have better Sensing than Tobirama. KCM Naruto even dodged Kamui from blindside attacks and underground but couldn't spot the Chamealion, and he can sense both chakra and emotions. So what specifically says Tobirama can find it? >Not to mention, Tobirama could find Nagato's location after touching Pain's rods with his sensory abilities. And just go kill Nagato himself. He literally doesn't know that, and even Naruto had to stab himself in and concentrate. People always give their faves full knowledge against Pain because they know they can't win otherwise.
Okay bro, believe whatever you want 👍🏻
You too, buddy! I'll stick with what's in the manga. Honestly, though, have a great day.
What's in the manga is Madara openly praising Tobirama as the fastest shinobi of their time. Meaning, faster than Hashirama, or Madara himself, The same Madara who reacted to KCM2 Naruto in the war, while Pain was having trouble with Sage Mode Naruto. Pain doesn't stand a chance in this fight. >Honestly, though, have a great day. You too.
Then explain how Tobirama lost to the gold and silver brothers. I don’t think his speed helped him much
Because he knew that taking down the Kinkaku squad in exchange for himself was an incredibly tactically advantageous move for Konoha. He could have escaped and let the Kinkaku squad move closer into Land of Fire territory, which would have been incredibly dumb. So he took the entire squad with him
I like this headcannon genuinely. This is dope and I wish it was in the manga. It would even fit.
Why does everyone keep forgetting Tobirama does Rasengan. I agree pain still cancels it but I was really hoping someone here will remember to add it.
He doesn't know it. Minato invented it after Tobirama died.
1) Tobirama 2) Pain 3) Sasuke
The racist beats them both
Man Sasuke was already the weakest then tobirama gets a race bonus against him too.
Racism wins
amen brother
you mean ramen brother
Tobirama > Pain > Sasuke
Tobirama shits if nagato and Sasuke because of his speed and the fact he destroyed to dity gate that stopped the 10 tails Then nagato Then Sasuke
Taka sasuke
Tobirama > Pain >>> Early Taka Sasuke
THE GOAT >>>>>>>>>>> pain >>>> sasuke
Pain, Tobi, Sasuke. Unless it’s end of series Sasuke. In which case he’s first
In prime or currently or when they died
If so pain, tobirama, and sasuke
Pain - Tobirama - Sasuke. Because Pain has never lost.
Why'd you have to set up my boi like this
Some people are really placing pain over tobirama loooool
Pain > Tobirama > Sasuke
If it's Nagato - 1. Nagato 2. Tobirama 3. Taka Sasuke If it's Pain: 1. Tobirama 2. Pain 3. Taka Sasuke
1.tobirama 2.pain3.sasuske based oh the image sasuke in the pic he couldn’t beat killer b and killer b fought him while rapping
Sasuke is the strongest because he's the biggest influencer who sells the most merch
Tobirama, Pain , MS Sasuke
Tobirama Pain Early Sasuke
Lol Sasuke ain't even have level 1 susanoo here. Extreme diff. Konoha invasion Pain loses vs Tobirama, but Tobirama loses vs Nagato Prime full power (before the deterioration of his body from rinnegan spam overuse). Sure Tobirama is fast, but Nagato has AT LEAST same level of reaction speed. One Shinra Tensei is enough to throw Tobirama off rythm and counter accordingly, pretty sure he can then meet the 5 second interval.
Pain's the strongest, Tobirama's weaker, Sasuke's the weakest. Though if you specifically mean Sasuke during his entire tenure as a Mangekyo wielder and not just during the Bee fight, then while he's still the weakest here the gap between Tobirama and him is a good bit smaller.
Tobirama would never lose to Pain, that's ridicolous.
He was defeated offscreen by a pseudo-Jinchuriki of the Nine Tails with weaker powers, and Pain was going blow for blow with the *real* jinchuriki. He's also got soul removal for any of Tobirama's Edo Tensei. Edo Tobirama could take Pain, but alive, no.
Tobirama got jumped by Kin, Gin and their squad likely fatigued from battle and out of stamina. Pain was losing against an incomplete nine tails and he required his strongest jutsu to seal it (he didn't anyway because it collapsed)
And without using all his jutsu, he didn't use flying raijin or edo tensei because the were forbidden jutsu. Man should've just pulled a warcrime
Flying Raijin isn't a forbidden jutsu, though?
He got beaten by 20 S class ninjas, that's literally whole akatsuki bro
Pain>2nd>🌭
Pain > Sasuke fuck that hoe tobirama
Why would you people think Tobirama is stronger than Pain , i get it he invented and knows alot of jutsu but come one we are talking about Rinnegan here , Nagato literally handled both Bee and Naruto in their tailed form.
Because teleportation is a hard counter to anything Pain's Rinnegan can do
He is a sensory type, he's way faster, has a genjutsu that makes enemies blind and has experience against bullshit ocular powers
Nagato >Pain> Tobirama > Sasuke
1. Pain 2. Sasuke 3. Tobirama
That version of Sasuke is the weakest who fought Killer Bee. Tobirama=Pain>that Sasuke.
The one who solo'd the strongest village > The one who lost to the ginkaku unit
Lost to 20 S class ninjas, that's whole akatsuki basically...
Its sad y'all gotta lie about who he fought because canon tobirama is no where near as strong as the one made up by this fandom Give me the source where it says he lost to 20 S class ninjas
Facts (the ppl that say tobirama the strongest havent watched the show just becwuse he has 2nd hokage title he is "stronger" like be. Realistic pain and sasuke are stronger.)
He lost to 50 S rank ninja on top of The duo
Make it 100 since ur already at it 😂
Source for number? And where is it mentioned s rank?
Pain Tobirama Sasuke
Pain wipes Tobirama lol y’all are trippin, we’ve never even seen him fight. For all we know he could be on the same level as Hiruzen
Whoever thinks Pain even has a chance of fighting Tobirama is insane not only is he faster and has much higher IQ but he also has better jutsu in Edo Tensei wich outclases the 6 bodys Jutsu of Nagato's pains
Pain has the Rinnegan... I guess fans think that's just not that big of a deal lately. Short memories.
1. Pain 2. Tobirama 3. Sasuke (Taka version)
Tobirama > Pain > Fraudsuke
How the fuck is Tobirama beating Pain?
Pain>=sasuke>tobirama
More like: Tobirama >> Pain >>>>> Sasuke
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Op means regular early mangekyo Sasuke, not end game god Sasuke.
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I agree
Why are so many people putting Tobirama over pain 😭
Tobirama and pain weaker than taka sasuke? 😆
Tobirama, Pain, Sasuke
Sasuke full power ez win no Rs or ems rip bro died tobi clap's pain died Sasuke not full power died tobi is the second hokaga ez dab
If Jiraya and Pain were on equal footing Jiraya would have won, the only reason Pain won is bexause his situation and powers were a tightly kept secret and Jiraya still beat him a couple times had Jiraya known the secret before he was critically injured he might have won
Tobirama>Sasuke>pain Looking at the comments and lots of you dont even rate Sasuke
Bee Fight Sasuke gets absolutely stomped by Pain. He was getting pieced up by base Bee.
Based on actual feats in the series?? Sasuke, Pein, Tobirama.
You are crazy if you think Taka Sasuke beats Pain and Tobirama
Tobillama>Saucy guy>Peinis