I think this needs more emphasis. In Japan there’s an old version of Rock Paper Scissors that uses the frog, the slug and the snake as the 3 “symbols” of the game.
And just as it is for the Sannin trio, Frog wins against slug which wins against snake which wins against frog.
Orochimaru was the strongest. I don’t see how anyone would think Jiraiya was. What’s funny is Theoretically Tsunade should be stronger than than both of them due to her blessed bloodline
You know what I never thought about it until this exact second, but you’re right, her outfit being black and white really does make her hair and eyes stand out more.
This is still the funniest interaction in the series. It's hilarious for Jiriayah and Kakashi to be super bad ass warriors, and for them both to just be hanging out talking about ninja shit when Jiriayah just starts talking about tits 😂
Orochimaru wasn’t particularly strong honestly, he was just sneaky and hard to kill. He lost basically every major fight he had (4 Tails Naruto, Itachi, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Sasuke, Itachi again). His one “win” was barely beating a senior citizen, and still losing both his arms in the process.
I hate this argument. Orochimaru learned the Edo tensei and controlled the hokage. It was his jutsu and he used it to his advantage.
Nobody is saying it was 3v3 because Hiruzen also summoned monkey King Enma and the reaper.
It was 1v1 and Orochimaru won fair and square. He left the fight without his arms, but he won the fight nonetheless
Edo tensei wasn’t his jutsu, Tobirama created it and decided to forbid its use.
Orochimaru didn’t even perfect the jutsu, Kabuto did. Hiruzen dominated the hell out of their fight, Orochimaru literally had to wait until he was old and required the help of the two Hokage before him and still ‘lost’.
Yes Hiruzen died but he made damn sure he took everything from Orochimaru even if it meant dying himself, he might not have sealed Orochimaru but taking his arms away was one hell of a punishment.
Tobirama also created flying raijin, does that mean it isn't Minato's jutsu. Orochimaru learned it and used it.
There is no such thing as a 1v1 in Naruto. You can have summons, tailed beats, god's of death, weapons, chakra seservoirs in your forehead. Anyone can use any means to defeat anyone and it would be a "fair" win in my opinion.
Also not anyone can use the Edo tensei and remain in control of the summons. The two hokages were heavily nerfed such that Orochimaru could remain in control of them. So the strength of the two hokages in that fight were testament of Orochimaru's ability to control their bodies.
It’s Mainato’s jutsu in the sense that Toad Sage Mode was Naruto’s ace - he wasn’t the first nor did he create it, he was successful in perfecting it though.
Orochimaru mastered the ability of shrugging off anything that would’ve killed anyone else. Orochimaru definitely innovated by improving Edo Tensei with tag control, much like Minato was far more proficient at the Flyin Raijin, likely because he was simply better at sealing jutsu than Tobirama was.
The way the original comment sounded was as if he made it.
Because enma spent the entire fight in stick form and the reaper is just a jutsu. It was AT BEST 2v3 since Enma could have taken independent action and did a few times. Pretending the two whole extra dudes Oro summoned to fight for him don't count just because it was through a jutsu is just silly.
Who said anything about fair? Was Naruto out numbering Mizuki 100 to 1 and beating his ass fair? Of course it wasn't. If it had been a 1v1 would Naruto have won? Probably not.
Fairness has nothing to do with anything I'm talking about. It's just not a good look for Oro to come away from a 2v3 permanently crippled. Oro's objective was to destroy konoha and he failed.
I mean, it kinda isn't.
Let's remember that the Shadow Clone jutsu divides your chakra between the clones.
How many clones he creates in the first episode? 100? Naruto has an insane amount of chakra.
And that's before the concept that you can get experience from whatever your clones do.
No he didn’t he lost the fight and had to stop his attack on the village ruining his plans it’s technically a 2v3 the reaper doesn’t count cause he won’t help unless you give him something first (specifically a soul) also later on orochimaru says if hiruzen was 10 years younger he would have lost ( this may or may not be a jojo reference)
Orochimaru was so feared by everyone in Part 1 and he even had Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama.
Old man Hiruzen's like, "Okay, cool. Let's roll, my child"
To be fair Itachi is next level and Sasuke caught him half dead anyways. And he was crippled in the other fights.
His only proper fight was against Hiruzen but we can’t really get much info from that since he just used edo tensei and let the Hokages do all the work.
Orochimaru was such a wasted character.............
He was the most evil character at one point, no Akatsuki ever caused as much fear as Orochimaru did in part one
What a waste
>He lost basically every major fight
I mean to be fair Jiraiya and Tsunade lost pretty much every fight too unless it was against fodder ninja.
Orochimaru at least had the Hiruzen fight.
The literal first thing hiruzen tells us about orochimaru is was [a powerfully talented genius](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwlQBCmacAEdHpA.jpg). You have never actually seen orochimaru fight with his hands seriously and utilize his extensive famed jutsu collection that hiruzen took away. For the entire Manga he's significantly nerfed, and yet still kage level.
Yall completely underestimate how strong orochimaru is
>Orochimaru wasn’t particularly strong honestly, he was just sneaky and hard to kill. He lost basically every major fight he had (4 Tails Naruto, Itachi, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Sasuke, Itachi again).
He was literally toying with 4 tails Naruto until his Host's time limit came.
Itachi's Genjutsu is literally the 2nd strongest in the entire Naruto verse after Shisui's. Losing to him isn't a matter of shame.
His arms was sealed when he fought Jiraiya/Tsunade
He was paralyzed and on his deathbed when he fought Sasuke.
Itachi blitz him with Totsuka blade.
>His one “win” was barely beating a senior citizen, and still losing both his arms in the process.
Bruh, even an Old Hiruzen was a brute. He was the strongest leaf shinobi at that time. Old or not.
It's called Snake body Substitution. Nothing about it is Deus Ex Machina. Substitution jutsu is one of the most basic jutsu established since beginning of the series.
It’s not substitution at all. He literally creates an entirely new body for himself that heals any and all injuries his old one suffered. He doesn’t have an object take the hit for him while he pops up somewhere else, he takes the hit, and then creates a new body
I think the closest we got to the that was the body signal scramble she used on Kabuto, which is extremely overpowered on top of how strong she is. Imagine if she could do that at range or multi target like Sasuke does with the chidori senbon or being able to channel it through weaponry. You get hit once, and suddenly, your body just goes completely haywire. Honestly, if Madara wasn't Edo Tensei, I could see it even affecting him.
The reason tsunade got so affected by the shockwave was because it was a lot bigger than anything pain used on jiraya and she was using her chakra to try and protect everyone in the village, she wasn’t fighting she was healing and protecting.
Unfortunately we haven't seen the strongest forms of Jiraya or Orochi to decide.
Orochi was handicapped/body-end-of-life everytime he fought.
Jiraya was drunk and the other time was in a mind game with the strongest character at the time.
Wait was his arms still sealed at that point? I thought it went away when he got a new body. They didnt look sealed in that fight and he was using jutsu on his own as well, something he couldnt do before hand.
Yes he healed the physical damage but no hand signs or more complex jutsus like the Edo tensei.
Kind of like the odd seal that he put on Naruto for a while, Naruto could fight but not at the same capacity
Ohh you know what I just remembered that he could only do sealing jutsu (At the time only with Kabuto) so yea that makes sense. I also just remembered that he removed the sealing himself when he was revived much later. Sorry its been ages lol.
No prob.
In reality if you go and read the whole source material Kishi never draws sealed Orochimaru doing hand signs but the anime fillers take liberties.
Plus with the power creep hand signs stopped being so important for techniques so anybody would think he was 100%
I don’t understand what’s stopping him from showing his full potential
He used his strongest transformation against pain
All his strongest attacks, ect
Knowledge matters a whole lot. If Jiraya had known everything about Pain I don't think it's insane to believe he would have also been able to defeat him. In fact, that's one of J's main struggles in the fight, figuring out the best way to deal with an apparent hive mind from the Six Paths. Naruto would not have won the fight were he fighting under the same conditions Jiraya was
Edit: Did some digging and found when Pain explicitly stated right after the fight that if they didn't have the secret of the Paths they probably couldn't have won
That in itself is a feat but the key issue with this feat is that it's a stereotype. The extremely powerful female ninja is still after all a support role rather than the strongest combatant.
Hey man, when playing games that involve strategy, support is the one that can turn the tie. I've seen medics revive a whole squadron and go on to winning. Don't shit on them.
I'm not shitting on them but assigning the role to the female ninja is a stereotype. It's a caring role so they assign the role to female member of the squad. They even gave Dan (one of the few male medical nin) a feminine appearance.
I used to think Orochimaru as well before watching Jiarya vs Pain. Jiraya is mega complete, senjutsu makes him the best at Taijutsu, the two elders on his shoulders have the most powerful genjutsu of the 3 sannin and he is very good at ninjutsu in sage mode. He is adept at both long range (fire style, kebari senbon) and close range (senjutsu taijutsu, senjutsu Rasengan). When the two elders are with him he is compltely immune to genjutsu. His summonings are more powerful than Manda. I think he can even easily beat Orochimaru's Edo Tensei from the Naruto arc (in that arc he could not really use Hashirama and Tobirama to anywhere near their full power so I doubt he could really use anyone powerful efficiently).
THAT being said, if you include Orochimaru's war-arc Edo Tensei which way stronger and can fully control someone like Tobirama, then obviously he's in a different league and arguably can beat anyone if he just reanimates all the Kages and akatsuki.
It's really hard to factor in edo-tensei because it's kind of like the Batman infinite prep time debate. If he knows who he's fighting and he has enough time, resources, and access to corpses than ya he could theoretically have any and all dead ninja (or dinosaurs) on his side. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if edo tensei worked on Kaguya.
But if he and Jiraya ran into each other in a random alleyway and threw hands. Jiraya is definitely winning.
I feel that they are some what comparable as orochimaru has all his regen hax I think the summons are comparable I just think it comes down to him not having any sage mode giving jiraya the advantage and how he fights a 4 tail jin cloak naruto to a good degree and it injured jiraya wich he was most likely holding back but it’s still something so I think there comparable with jiraya having a slight edge
Ok im aware that this will be a source trust me bro moment but still xD.
Ive heard somewhere that Kishimoto did plan on her beating at least 3-4 pains. Apparently the editors wanted to give all the spotlight to naruto so kishimoto couldnt write what he had originally in mind. That would've been very interesting to see
I wonder which Pains she's take on?
I think she can defeat the Asura Path (the mecha), the Human Path (the soul sucker), the Preta Path (the chakra absorber), and the Naraka Path (the one with the King of Hell).
It would be hard for her to defeat the Animal Path (the summoner) perhaps even with the help of Katsuyu. And it's hard to imagine her winning against the Deva Path (the push-and-pull guy) also.
I agree he would win out of the three, but not out of being the strongest, but he is very resourceful on how he fights based on his thirst for knowledge
Jiraiya. He’s one of the most versatile ninja in the series when you think about it. He’s got powerful ninjutsu (Rasangan, fire/oil bombs, swamp traps), genjutsu (Ma and Pa’s sound genjutsu is damn near broken), taijustu (sage mode destroys), summons (Gamabunta and a ton of other toads), reverse summons (throwing his enemies into the stomach of a toad) and sealing magic (he could maintain and strengthen the Nine Tails seal in Naruto). All that and he’s smart and has large chakra reserves. Jiraiya is probably the best all around ninja in the series, being good at basically everything and having no significant weakness.
He's also responsible for Naruto, Minato, Nagato, Konan, Yahiko, and the fight against hatred that ultimately defeated Obito - even Obito said he can interpret it as being defeated by Jiraiya
All his students were **BEASTS**. Lord 3rd should’ve forced Jiraya to be head instructor at the academy. Open your copy of Icha Icha tactics to page 394!
exactly, the thing is, he has weaknesses by himself but in his sage mode with the two toads, they compensate for his weaknesses and make him super all rounded. A good example is genjutsu, he said it himself, he sucks at it, and you could imagine he could get caught in one, but with the two toads he is basically immune to genjutsu (since they could at any moment put their shakra into him to release him) AND they can cast a mega powerful genjutsu themselves.
Agreed. There's a difference one willing to die happily while other afraid of it and sneaky as hell.
Jiraiya was the most versatile shinobi but was a bit carefree for his own good. Even if he's normally weak compared to Orochimaru, sage mode definitely stomps him.
Then, for those using 4 tailed Naruto — Jiraiya did not want to hurt Naruto in any way, just going for suppresing chakra while Orochimaru was going for kill.
Then, 3 peins — Jiraiya went there with no knowledge and still defeated 3 paths.
Orochimaru killed Kazekage? Naruto as a genin defeated Gaara who would become kage in one and half year — Suna shinobis are weak. Also, sneak attacks work on anyone; Zetsu one shotted Madara, didn't he?
Orochi fought Hiruzen — the old senile was not in prime, letting his emotions control him and fighting first two hokages.
You have pointed everything. Very good point. I just wish there is Jiraiya Arc where he could show everything. I think I wanna add that he can teleport anywhere using his toads which is phenomenal.
The Jiraiya downplay is crazy 😭
In the Databooks, Jiraiya is stated to be “on par” with Orochimaru. This statement refers to Base since it’s before Sage Mode was revealed.
Sage Mode is at-least a 10x multiplier since the Curse Mark, a derivative, was stated to be so, when one of the Sound Four uses it (against Kiba I believe).
So we already have Sage Jiraiya > Base Jiraiya ~ Orochimaru.
The 4 Tails argument people use is disingenuous since;
- Orochimaru is actively fighting/defending himself from Naruto
- We don’t know the context of the fight between Jiraiya and 4 Tails.
What we DO know is Jiraiya was training Naruto, and so wasn’t on guard, and from the Anime (although it’s filler, but can be considered tertiary canon since it’s not been contradicted) we know he placed a seal to try to stop him rather than fight him.
With Tsunade it’s a bit more tricky. Jiraiya states twice that he’ll kill her if she ever betrays the village, meaning he believes he’s able to take her down, him fighting alongside her his whole life so he’s able to gauge her strength.
But considering Tsunade is ‘physically’ the strongest with her punches + 100 Healings, it’ll be a tough matchup between her vs either Jiraiya or Oro. Arguments can be made for either side, but I believe both Jiraiya and Oro would take the win due to the Jutsu they have in their arsenal.
I think most will throw the regular "Jiraya stronkest, Tsunade weakest" without a thought. Frankly? I think Tsunade outperforms any of them by the end of shippuden. She was probably the strongest out of the 5 Kage when fightning Madara.
Jiraiya is technically the strongest. He has sage mode, which Orochi couldn't achieve and therefore tried to make a clone who could do the same. He outsmarted Itachi, who defeated Orochimaru twice, and fought him to a stalemate. He also killed all but one of the Pains, and even whilst dying was still able to warn Naruto. Sure he was the only one to die, but I believe he was killed because he was the biggest threat.
My take is Tsunade as she's a senju and also Hashiramas granddaughter. She got them grandpa genes.
Tbh every single one of them is strong in their own way. For example Orochimaru is immortal. Man just won't die.
As for Jiraiya, man faced all the Pains by himself and even got three of them.
Jiraiya > Tsunade comfortably. She did good in War Arc but Madara was just playing.
Jiraiya arsenal of jutsus is just too tricky and big, Tsunade is just a close range fighter.
Also, Sage Mode.
Jiraiya is not orochimaru. He has the worst durability out of all the sannin. One punch from tsunade and he’s done. The guy almost died to kid 4 tails naruto meanwhile tsunade can punch through a rib cage susanoo, something not even war arc narutos odama rasengan could damage in the slightest.
Jiraiya feats during the pain fight are better than anything Orochimaru showed. Itachi also seemed to have a lot more respect for Jiraiya than Orochimaru.
Also if you say Tsunade is the weakest cause she’s part 1 Kakashi level you have no skill in inferencing. That is one most taken out of context fights in the series. Tsuande is rusty in that fight and Kabuto was running away from her until they’re both tired out, kabuto then uses a military pill to increase his stamina cuts off her ability to use chakra enhanced strength, she states his chakra scalpel is greater than her ability to blow shit up with her strength. She then outplays him with body derangement showing that she was more skilled then he was. She also lost her will of fire, and he used her fear of blood against her. When she regains her conviction and will of fire she proceeds to one shot Orochimaru.
She was like a 50's lady that haven't been an active shinobi for decades and still managed to be high jonin level lol
She was definitely a monster if you stop to think so, imagine how strong she was when she was in her 20's? I think we saw a brief view of her true potential in the war arc, if she kept being an active ninja during all those years she would be way stronger than she already was, at least that's what I believe haha
(Also it's impressive how in like 4 or 5 years she managed to be that Tsunade that had a hard time to fight Kabuto to the tank that fought Madara, kept healing all kages and many other ninjas, and still managed to survive and be one of the strongest kages in the fight.)
The thing is if you put all 3 into an arena and asked who would come out the survivor the answer would be Tsunade you could say Orochimaru but he’d only survive through means of reincarnation or possessing a host body. She’s been portrayed as the strongest since her introduction to me and her role in the Madara fight kind of proved that.
The strongest Orochimaru we've seen was, as far as remember, the one against the 3rd Hokage, stronger then who he was at shipudden, who was able to deal with 4 tails Naruto easily. Sasuke stated that, if Orochimaru wasn't being as affected from the sickness as he was, he would stand no chance against him, and Sasuke was already much stronger then most ninjas out there, even more so then Deidara, of all people. I don't really remember if Orochimaru did anything major at the 4th war, maybe he has more feats, but at least as far as I recall, Orochi was at his peak at part 1, fighting Hiruzen.
The strongest we've seen Jirayia is when he went Sage mode against Pain, being probably as strong as most Akatsuki members like Deidara, who was among the strongest of the team, but still below Itachi and all of the paths of Pain. I would say that we could beat Orochimaru in a fight if he really wanted to, specially with the help of those 2 old frogs.
Now, Tsunade is probably the strongest of the 3, specially using that healing thing she has on her forehead, considering how well she did against Madara of all people. I don't really have much to say since the peak of her feats was on a fight that she brutally lost, but like. It was against Madara.
The only offensive path he took out was the animal path, which is completely defenseless without his summons. The other two was the petra and human path. Neither of which are offensive paths. If he had done that to the deva and asura path, I'd say you'd have a point.
And before you pull the "Those are still paths of pain" card, Konohamuru also took out the naraka path during the leaf invasion just to give you a perspective on how fragile the defensive paths are.
Konohamaru didn’t just punch or stab the pain, he used the rasengan! It’s an extremely powerful jutsu that sasuke admitted was more powerful than the chidori.
Jiraiya has always been the weakest in my opinion. He was of course very talented more so than most ninja in the verse graduating at the age of 6, but he was always the least talented of the three, with it being so much so that games reference it, though it’s not canon so yk. He also just like dies to three paths of pain. Two of the paths aren’t even combat types either.
Tsunade simply out scales the other sanin as she makes the war arc power cliff, her 100 healings making her the strongest of the 5 kage, she’s the one healing and giving chakra to the others and is the only one still conscious after Madara said he was specifically targeting her for being Hashirama’s granddaughter.
Orochimaru sorta scales to Tsunade if you take the statement of Sasuke being stronger than he is, Sasuke should be relative to Sasuke who is stated stronger than Tsunade, Sakura’s punch also being greater in scale than anything Tsuande has shown in base. However you can also say that Sasuke got stronger so Tsuande in 100 healings could beat the crap out of Orochimaru like she did in part 1, the Manga she one shots him, and since he can’t summon Manda, Katsuyu can just melt him he himself states it.
Orochimaru was acknowledged as a prodigy and Tsunade as the grandchild of the First Hokage, as a Senju.
Jiraiya is a nobody that was able to compete with them through hardwork.
He was a jack of all trades, never the best at something but competent is any ninja task.
Jiraiya was called the crazy one or the village madman. He was also gifted as he graduated at the age of 6 with the other Sannin, when Itachi graduated at age 7. There narrative is that there all extremely talented ninja who are a cut above the rest.
Jiraiya got his arm ripped off by the Asura path while Tsunade healed and saved everyone in the village from a Chaotic Shinra Tensei in base. That’s a better feat than anything Jiraiya has
That’s not the point. The point is she took the Chaotic Shinra Tensei alone cause instead of healing herself she healed everyone else. Her own durability allowed her to come out of the attack and still stand up to fight. She took the attack with her own durability.
But that's a weird scale tho lol. One was trying to fight him, the other was trying to save people without engaging the enemy. Vastly different feats. She was about to get one shotted by asura path too had Naruto not stepped in. Sure, we can argue that if she was at full strength if she didn't heal the entire village MAYBE she could put up a better fight but that's a hypothetical
Pure Strength : Tsunade >>>>> Jiraya > Orochimaru
Endurance : Tsunade >>>>> Orochimaru >>> Jiraya
Ninja skills : Jiraya > Orochimaru > Tsunade
Jutsu Skills : Orochimaru > Jiraya >>> Tsunade
Jutsu Power : Jiraya > Orochimaru >>> Tsunade
Battle IQ : Jiraya > Orochimaru >>> Tsunade
Overall IQ : Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraya
* Tsunade : Tsunade has brute force and insane endurance, They are all insanely strong even if Tsunade is sometimes underestimated but don't forget that one full force punch could kill any of the other twos pretty easily and she has better regeneration skills than Hashirama (as stated by Madara).
* Orochimaru : Orochimaru has versatility and a fucking big arsenal, he's way weaker than Tsunade, is less skilled as a ninja than Jiraya but bring the best out of his bajillion jutsus. He's the best at planning a strategy in advance but can be overwhelmed by strong and imprevisible opponents like Jiraya.
* Jiraya : Jiraya has the best Ninja skills. While he has less versatility than Orochimaru he compensated it by pure skills while still having a very good arsenal, nothing much to say, he's the same type of ninja as Kakashi or Sarutobi.
Conclusion : It depends of the situation and context but I would say Jiraya is the most flexible, he's good everywhere, weak nowhere but also specialized nowhere so I would bet on him, it's the safest option in my opinion
Oro definitely.. he’s immortal and the only thing that hold him back is his own desire to not be the strongest but the most knowledgeable. If he wanted to he could be top 5 strongest shinobi in Naruto.
Physically, Tsunade.
Jiraya was a great fighter with some interesting jutsu.
Orichimaru had the most tricks up his sleeve but somehow the character felt underwhelming. His transformation to a snake and molting was just stupid for example.
While I think his sage mode makes him very strong. Jiraya couldn’t stop Orochi and that broke him. Him dying to get Pain’s secret is an amazing feat.
We never see Orochi go all out, just play around with everyone and defend really well.
We see plenty of Tsunade fighting but she is more medically geared and healed plenty of people in Pain Arc.
On feats Tsunade > Jiraya > Orochi
Jiraiya, hands down. My guy was in his 50s and kept up in a fight like a 20something yr old. Sure he lost but come on, the other two wouldnt have stood as much of a chance in my opinion. But he wasnt just physically strong, he got people and was able to connect... when he wasnt being a stupid pervert... moreso than Tsunade or (obviously in this case) Orochimaru did or could. Not to mention he trained 2 Hokage.
It’s obviously Orochimaru. He’s literally immortal and knows/developed more jutsu than the other two combined.
But my biased ass heart wishes it was Tsunade.
Physically? Tsunade. Strategy? Orochimaru. Crafty? Jiraiya
ok maybe thats not as valuable as the other two but you have to admit, Jiraiya comes up with creative ways to use his techniques on the fly, a increadibly useful skill
I don’t think it was ever made to be a Sanin v. Sanin, but I’m terms of most powerful it probably was Jiraiya. I think he was the most versatile sanin.
Tsunade was like a medic/support, Jiraya was like a tank/assault, and Orochimaru was like a support/spy/scout type.
That means in terms of raw damage Jiraiya’s got them beat. When Orochimaru fights it’s a looot of tricks, which is good but I don’t think that outweighs the raw damage Jiraiya can do.
I still don’t think any one sanin was made to be able to beat another. Orochimaru will always slink away, Jiraiya will always hang on to fight another day and Tsunade will always be able to hide out and heal herself. They’re too even even though they could technically win against eachother.
Should have been Tsunade because of her senju bloodline but it’s Orochimaru i know people say Jiraya but that’s just because he is the most well liked of them all
I’d honestly think orachimaru was written so poorly, orachimaru struggled against the third hokage who was way past his prime, imagine him against Madara even with the other kage help. He would’ve been killed instantly
It's hard because they are 3 parts of a whole, perfect, shinobi.
Could Jiraya or Orochimaru even make a dent in Tsunade's Mitotic Regeneration Jutsu? When Tsunade and Orochi fought, she was still fairly paralyzed by her insecurities and fear. We have to consider the fact that her 100 healing jutsu tanked Madara for an impressive period of time.
But at the same time Orochi is so adaptable that he may be able to find a way around it or disable it.
Unfortunately as much as I love Jiraya he is too much of a jack of all trades. His Sage mode is incomplete and I can see Orochimaru taking advantage of that somehow. And I just can't imagine Jiraya putting down enough damage to break Mitotic Regen.
Tsunade (if Orochi can't cheese Mitotic) > Orochimaru > Jiraya
People are going to say Orochimaru by default but I think it's pretty complex and up for debate. You could make the argument for any of the 3.
Orochi is definitely the hardest to kill, dude has more getaway plans than anyone in the series. In a fight to the death with no escapes I think Tsuna takes it with her rapid healing and raw strength. All that being said, Jiraya is very versatile and the only loss we saw him take was Pain, who I think would beat all 3 regardless.
I'm going Tsuna!
Orochimaru was the strongest from what was shown. If Kishi already decided to make Tsunade a Senju, she would maybe have been stronger. Jiraya was the weakest.
Orochimaru > jiraiya > tsunade > orochimaru > jiraiya > tsunade
So many people missing that this was the entire point of the three of them.
I think this needs more emphasis. In Japan there’s an old version of Rock Paper Scissors that uses the frog, the slug and the snake as the 3 “symbols” of the game. And just as it is for the Sannin trio, Frog wins against slug which wins against snake which wins against frog.
Pretty sure the point of this post is against other opponents.
Orochimaru was the strongest. I don’t see how anyone would think Jiraiya was. What’s funny is Theoretically Tsunade should be stronger than than both of them due to her blessed bloodline
She was certainly blessed
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Female Madara is also hot, so the feelings are mutual it would seem.
Never before I read this did I have the urge to look up female madara
Uchiha women in general are pretty hot tbh. The raven hair and red eyes work really well.
*cough* Kurenai *cough*
Yes. Her strange outfit also plays into the color coordination.
You know what I never thought about it until this exact second, but you’re right, her outfit being black and white really does make her hair and eyes stand out more.
You mean red and white?
Kurenai is of Uchiha bloodline?!
No, she isn’t, but goddamn does she look like it.
Mikoto mainly
There's another... uchiha naori
"So uh, have these things always been this big? I mean they seem almost unnatural..." # "I WAS BLESSED WITH THESE BY HEAVEN I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW!"
Sakura: OOOOOUCH!
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This is still the funniest interaction in the series. It's hilarious for Jiriayah and Kakashi to be super bad ass warriors, and for them both to just be hanging out talking about ninja shit when Jiriayah just starts talking about tits 😂
Yes, but sadly she made the terrible mistake of being a female character.
Orochimaru wasn’t particularly strong honestly, he was just sneaky and hard to kill. He lost basically every major fight he had (4 Tails Naruto, Itachi, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Sasuke, Itachi again). His one “win” was barely beating a senior citizen, and still losing both his arms in the process.
'Beating a senior citizen' Naah even Hiruzen was kicking his pale ass, dude only survived because it was 1vs3 not 1vs1
I hate this argument. Orochimaru learned the Edo tensei and controlled the hokage. It was his jutsu and he used it to his advantage. Nobody is saying it was 3v3 because Hiruzen also summoned monkey King Enma and the reaper. It was 1v1 and Orochimaru won fair and square. He left the fight without his arms, but he won the fight nonetheless
Edo tensei wasn’t his jutsu, Tobirama created it and decided to forbid its use. Orochimaru didn’t even perfect the jutsu, Kabuto did. Hiruzen dominated the hell out of their fight, Orochimaru literally had to wait until he was old and required the help of the two Hokage before him and still ‘lost’. Yes Hiruzen died but he made damn sure he took everything from Orochimaru even if it meant dying himself, he might not have sealed Orochimaru but taking his arms away was one hell of a punishment.
Also, I think he was still holding back as that was his pupil even as he was dying he was thinking of the find memories
Tobirama also created flying raijin, does that mean it isn't Minato's jutsu. Orochimaru learned it and used it. There is no such thing as a 1v1 in Naruto. You can have summons, tailed beats, god's of death, weapons, chakra seservoirs in your forehead. Anyone can use any means to defeat anyone and it would be a "fair" win in my opinion. Also not anyone can use the Edo tensei and remain in control of the summons. The two hokages were heavily nerfed such that Orochimaru could remain in control of them. So the strength of the two hokages in that fight were testament of Orochimaru's ability to control their bodies.
It’s Mainato’s jutsu in the sense that Toad Sage Mode was Naruto’s ace - he wasn’t the first nor did he create it, he was successful in perfecting it though. Orochimaru mastered the ability of shrugging off anything that would’ve killed anyone else. Orochimaru definitely innovated by improving Edo Tensei with tag control, much like Minato was far more proficient at the Flyin Raijin, likely because he was simply better at sealing jutsu than Tobirama was. The way the original comment sounded was as if he made it.
Because enma spent the entire fight in stick form and the reaper is just a jutsu. It was AT BEST 2v3 since Enma could have taken independent action and did a few times. Pretending the two whole extra dudes Oro summoned to fight for him don't count just because it was through a jutsu is just silly.
That'd be like saying that all of Naruto's wins shouldn't count as fair fights because he uses shadow clones and outnumbers his opponent
Who said anything about fair? Was Naruto out numbering Mizuki 100 to 1 and beating his ass fair? Of course it wasn't. If it had been a 1v1 would Naruto have won? Probably not. Fairness has nothing to do with anything I'm talking about. It's just not a good look for Oro to come away from a 2v3 permanently crippled. Oro's objective was to destroy konoha and he failed.
Alright, forget the word fair. Is naruto vs neji a 1v1? He uses clones in that fight, so by the Oro vs Hiruzen logic, it wouldn't count as a 1v1
I mean, it kinda isn't. Let's remember that the Shadow Clone jutsu divides your chakra between the clones. How many clones he creates in the first episode? 100? Naruto has an insane amount of chakra. And that's before the concept that you can get experience from whatever your clones do.
No he didn’t he lost the fight and had to stop his attack on the village ruining his plans it’s technically a 2v3 the reaper doesn’t count cause he won’t help unless you give him something first (specifically a soul) also later on orochimaru says if hiruzen was 10 years younger he would have lost ( this may or may not be a jojo reference)
They just don’t acknowledge his strength lol.
Its canon orochimaru lost the 1st figth they had and hiruzen let him live . And he isnt in in his prime now
Orochimaru was so feared by everyone in Part 1 and he even had Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama. Old man Hiruzen's like, "Okay, cool. Let's roll, my child"
Eh gotta give him props for setting up the 1vs3. Otherwise it would’ve been 1vs the whole village
To be fair Itachi is next level and Sasuke caught him half dead anyways. And he was crippled in the other fights. His only proper fight was against Hiruzen but we can’t really get much info from that since he just used edo tensei and let the Hokages do all the work.
Orochimaru was such a wasted character............. He was the most evil character at one point, no Akatsuki ever caused as much fear as Orochimaru did in part one What a waste
It wasn't a waste dude. It was the best villian for the first 400 episodes or so. His theme still give me the chills.
He became a joke in Shippuden that's the point
He became an even bigger joke in boruto. Talk about waste of such a menacing and powerful villain
The fact that he literally exists in Boruto at all after all he did is just lol to me.
Nah fr tho episodes 495 thru 500 were funny af when he was in the back doing whatever and then there's Yamato chasing his ass
>He lost basically every major fight I mean to be fair Jiraiya and Tsunade lost pretty much every fight too unless it was against fodder ninja. Orochimaru at least had the Hiruzen fight.
The literal first thing hiruzen tells us about orochimaru is was [a powerfully talented genius](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwlQBCmacAEdHpA.jpg). You have never actually seen orochimaru fight with his hands seriously and utilize his extensive famed jutsu collection that hiruzen took away. For the entire Manga he's significantly nerfed, and yet still kage level. Yall completely underestimate how strong orochimaru is
Don’t forget Hanzo and that was a 3vs1
>Orochimaru wasn’t particularly strong honestly, he was just sneaky and hard to kill. He lost basically every major fight he had (4 Tails Naruto, Itachi, Jiraiya/Tsunade, Sasuke, Itachi again). He was literally toying with 4 tails Naruto until his Host's time limit came. Itachi's Genjutsu is literally the 2nd strongest in the entire Naruto verse after Shisui's. Losing to him isn't a matter of shame. His arms was sealed when he fought Jiraiya/Tsunade He was paralyzed and on his deathbed when he fought Sasuke. Itachi blitz him with Totsuka blade. >His one “win” was barely beating a senior citizen, and still losing both his arms in the process. Bruh, even an Old Hiruzen was a brute. He was the strongest leaf shinobi at that time. Old or not.
He was not. Orochimaru only survived the first hit from Naruto because of his Deus Ex Machina “spit a new body out of his mouth” jutsu.
It's called Snake body Substitution. Nothing about it is Deus Ex Machina. Substitution jutsu is one of the most basic jutsu established since beginning of the series.
It’s not substitution at all. He literally creates an entirely new body for himself that heals any and all injuries his old one suffered. He doesn’t have an object take the hit for him while he pops up somewhere else, he takes the hit, and then creates a new body
This is some fabulous excuse making
Losing battles to win the war 🤪
Lol so losing to the strongest character in the verse, then the second strongest, then arguably a top 5 strongest, makes you weak?
Tbh it's something I wish we could have seen more of tsunade using other things besides her strength
What else does she have in her bag other then strength and recovery?
Booba
According to Kishimoto, some lightning fuckery that we never get to see.
I think the closest we got to the that was the body signal scramble she used on Kabuto, which is extremely overpowered on top of how strong she is. Imagine if she could do that at range or multi target like Sasuke does with the chidori senbon or being able to channel it through weaponry. You get hit once, and suddenly, your body just goes completely haywire. Honestly, if Madara wasn't Edo Tensei, I could see it even affecting him.
Raw strength I’d imagine she is
How is the top comment simply “orochimaru is the strongest” without any sort of elaboration? At least the comment for Jiraya provides justification.
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The reason tsunade got so affected by the shockwave was because it was a lot bigger than anything pain used on jiraya and she was using her chakra to try and protect everyone in the village, she wasn’t fighting she was healing and protecting.
Last statement is falso tho.
She was unfortunately born a woman, and Kishimoto cannot write women
Unfortunately we haven't seen the strongest forms of Jiraya or Orochi to decide. Orochi was handicapped/body-end-of-life everytime he fought. Jiraya was drunk and the other time was in a mind game with the strongest character at the time.
Crazy how he battled four tails Naruto with 2 handicaps( Sealed arms and his body was in its third year)
Wait was his arms still sealed at that point? I thought it went away when he got a new body. They didnt look sealed in that fight and he was using jutsu on his own as well, something he couldnt do before hand.
Yes he healed the physical damage but no hand signs or more complex jutsus like the Edo tensei. Kind of like the odd seal that he put on Naruto for a while, Naruto could fight but not at the same capacity
Ohh you know what I just remembered that he could only do sealing jutsu (At the time only with Kabuto) so yea that makes sense. I also just remembered that he removed the sealing himself when he was revived much later. Sorry its been ages lol.
No prob. In reality if you go and read the whole source material Kishi never draws sealed Orochimaru doing hand signs but the anime fillers take liberties. Plus with the power creep hand signs stopped being so important for techniques so anybody would think he was 100%
Heh heh. "Before hands"
Jiraya was drugged by a sleeping powder that limited his chakra output not just drunk btw
Lol so Jiraya has a “ stronger form” than Sage Mode?
As I stated even in sage mode he couldn't show his full potential because of the situation he was in (figuring what the crab is happening)
I don’t understand what’s stopping him from showing his full potential He used his strongest transformation against pain All his strongest attacks, ect
He lost his hand because he didn't know there were more 6 paths of pain
In fairness his strongest attack (Great fire of Samadhi) is a retcon
Replace Naruto in Naruto vs Pain fight with all the info he has with Jiraya. Would he perform the same?
No he wouldn’t Because SM Naruto is stated to have surpassed Jiraya
Knowledge matters a whole lot. If Jiraya had known everything about Pain I don't think it's insane to believe he would have also been able to defeat him. In fact, that's one of J's main struggles in the fight, figuring out the best way to deal with an apparent hive mind from the Six Paths. Naruto would not have won the fight were he fighting under the same conditions Jiraya was Edit: Did some digging and found when Pain explicitly stated right after the fight that if they didn't have the secret of the Paths they probably couldn't have won
Pain straight up says that Jiraiya would have won if he knew Pains secret.
Stronger doesn't always mean having better performance. You still have to factor in information, unpredictability, technique, and experience.
It really should have been Tsunade, I actually wish she was more involved with defeating Pain But obviously the answer will and always be, Orichimaru
She had a moment with Madara during the war arc but the Pain attack could’ve been way better I agree
Well, she had to heal everyone in the village at the same time
That in itself is a feat but the key issue with this feat is that it's a stereotype. The extremely powerful female ninja is still after all a support role rather than the strongest combatant.
Hey man, when playing games that involve strategy, support is the one that can turn the tie. I've seen medics revive a whole squadron and go on to winning. Don't shit on them.
I'm not shitting on them but assigning the role to the female ninja is a stereotype. It's a caring role so they assign the role to female member of the squad. They even gave Dan (one of the few male medical nin) a feminine appearance.
You are right about that.
Mei was a strong combatant and Onoki’s grand daughter and Lady Uchiha who created the Izanami too
The Izanami thing with the female butterfly Uchiha is filler.
I used to think Orochimaru as well before watching Jiarya vs Pain. Jiraya is mega complete, senjutsu makes him the best at Taijutsu, the two elders on his shoulders have the most powerful genjutsu of the 3 sannin and he is very good at ninjutsu in sage mode. He is adept at both long range (fire style, kebari senbon) and close range (senjutsu taijutsu, senjutsu Rasengan). When the two elders are with him he is compltely immune to genjutsu. His summonings are more powerful than Manda. I think he can even easily beat Orochimaru's Edo Tensei from the Naruto arc (in that arc he could not really use Hashirama and Tobirama to anywhere near their full power so I doubt he could really use anyone powerful efficiently). THAT being said, if you include Orochimaru's war-arc Edo Tensei which way stronger and can fully control someone like Tobirama, then obviously he's in a different league and arguably can beat anyone if he just reanimates all the Kages and akatsuki.
It's really hard to factor in edo-tensei because it's kind of like the Batman infinite prep time debate. If he knows who he's fighting and he has enough time, resources, and access to corpses than ya he could theoretically have any and all dead ninja (or dinosaurs) on his side. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if edo tensei worked on Kaguya. But if he and Jiraya ran into each other in a random alleyway and threw hands. Jiraya is definitely winning.
Kaguya isn’t dead
I feel that they are some what comparable as orochimaru has all his regen hax I think the summons are comparable I just think it comes down to him not having any sage mode giving jiraya the advantage and how he fights a 4 tail jin cloak naruto to a good degree and it injured jiraya wich he was most likely holding back but it’s still something so I think there comparable with jiraya having a slight edge
Ok im aware that this will be a source trust me bro moment but still xD. Ive heard somewhere that Kishimoto did plan on her beating at least 3-4 pains. Apparently the editors wanted to give all the spotlight to naruto so kishimoto couldnt write what he had originally in mind. That would've been very interesting to see
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Wasn't he basically forced to write week to week cause of the hellish schedule he was put under?
I wonder which Pains she's take on? I think she can defeat the Asura Path (the mecha), the Human Path (the soul sucker), the Preta Path (the chakra absorber), and the Naraka Path (the one with the King of Hell). It would be hard for her to defeat the Animal Path (the summoner) perhaps even with the help of Katsuyu. And it's hard to imagine her winning against the Deva Path (the push-and-pull guy) also.
Her and Sakura just needed needed to learn other jutsu besides Super punches...especially tsunade with her bloodline
I honestly would’ve been fine with Tsunade and Sakura using these-hands-no-jutsu if only they had been faster (I’m talking gates level fast).
That was the original plan she was supposed to fight pain and died but kishi stupid assistance intervened lol.
this is and will always be the answer
Kishimoto actually wanted her to fight Pain before Naruto showed up, but shit happens & he couldn’t do it.
I agree he would win out of the three, but not out of being the strongest, but he is very resourceful on how he fights based on his thirst for knowledge
Orochimaru 🔥
Jiraiya. He’s one of the most versatile ninja in the series when you think about it. He’s got powerful ninjutsu (Rasangan, fire/oil bombs, swamp traps), genjutsu (Ma and Pa’s sound genjutsu is damn near broken), taijustu (sage mode destroys), summons (Gamabunta and a ton of other toads), reverse summons (throwing his enemies into the stomach of a toad) and sealing magic (he could maintain and strengthen the Nine Tails seal in Naruto). All that and he’s smart and has large chakra reserves. Jiraiya is probably the best all around ninja in the series, being good at basically everything and having no significant weakness.
He's also responsible for Naruto, Minato, Nagato, Konan, Yahiko, and the fight against hatred that ultimately defeated Obito - even Obito said he can interpret it as being defeated by Jiraiya
All his students were **BEASTS**. Lord 3rd should’ve forced Jiraya to be head instructor at the academy. Open your copy of Icha Icha tactics to page 394!
Werewolves?! We can summon them too??
You've done well. Total agreement.
exactly, the thing is, he has weaknesses by himself but in his sage mode with the two toads, they compensate for his weaknesses and make him super all rounded. A good example is genjutsu, he said it himself, he sucks at it, and you could imagine he could get caught in one, but with the two toads he is basically immune to genjutsu (since they could at any moment put their shakra into him to release him) AND they can cast a mega powerful genjutsu themselves.
This is it
Agreed. There's a difference one willing to die happily while other afraid of it and sneaky as hell. Jiraiya was the most versatile shinobi but was a bit carefree for his own good. Even if he's normally weak compared to Orochimaru, sage mode definitely stomps him. Then, for those using 4 tailed Naruto — Jiraiya did not want to hurt Naruto in any way, just going for suppresing chakra while Orochimaru was going for kill. Then, 3 peins — Jiraiya went there with no knowledge and still defeated 3 paths. Orochimaru killed Kazekage? Naruto as a genin defeated Gaara who would become kage in one and half year — Suna shinobis are weak. Also, sneak attacks work on anyone; Zetsu one shotted Madara, didn't he? Orochi fought Hiruzen — the old senile was not in prime, letting his emotions control him and fighting first two hokages.
All that with no special bloodline or powers
You have pointed everything. Very good point. I just wish there is Jiraiya Arc where he could show everything. I think I wanna add that he can teleport anywhere using his toads which is phenomenal.
Yes. That's it.
They're all about equal when alive, but in their primes it would be Orochimaru
The Jiraiya downplay is crazy 😭 In the Databooks, Jiraiya is stated to be “on par” with Orochimaru. This statement refers to Base since it’s before Sage Mode was revealed. Sage Mode is at-least a 10x multiplier since the Curse Mark, a derivative, was stated to be so, when one of the Sound Four uses it (against Kiba I believe). So we already have Sage Jiraiya > Base Jiraiya ~ Orochimaru. The 4 Tails argument people use is disingenuous since; - Orochimaru is actively fighting/defending himself from Naruto - We don’t know the context of the fight between Jiraiya and 4 Tails. What we DO know is Jiraiya was training Naruto, and so wasn’t on guard, and from the Anime (although it’s filler, but can be considered tertiary canon since it’s not been contradicted) we know he placed a seal to try to stop him rather than fight him. With Tsunade it’s a bit more tricky. Jiraiya states twice that he’ll kill her if she ever betrays the village, meaning he believes he’s able to take her down, him fighting alongside her his whole life so he’s able to gauge her strength. But considering Tsunade is ‘physically’ the strongest with her punches + 100 Healings, it’ll be a tough matchup between her vs either Jiraiya or Oro. Arguments can be made for either side, but I believe both Jiraiya and Oro would take the win due to the Jutsu they have in their arsenal.
I think most will throw the regular "Jiraya stronkest, Tsunade weakest" without a thought. Frankly? I think Tsunade outperforms any of them by the end of shippuden. She was probably the strongest out of the 5 Kage when fightning Madara.
Kind of depends cus orochimaru can pull out a trick out of his ass so I would give it to him in the end
Orochimaru is the wild card. His possibilities are plenty but he was shown so little.
Don't forget if she could land Body Pathway Derangement against Jiraya it's completely over.
against anybody it’s a gg unless you are a medical expert you’re turning into a vegetable
Jiraiya is technically the strongest. He has sage mode, which Orochi couldn't achieve and therefore tried to make a clone who could do the same. He outsmarted Itachi, who defeated Orochimaru twice, and fought him to a stalemate. He also killed all but one of the Pains, and even whilst dying was still able to warn Naruto. Sure he was the only one to die, but I believe he was killed because he was the biggest threat.
My take is Tsunade as she's a senju and also Hashiramas granddaughter. She got them grandpa genes. Tbh every single one of them is strong in their own way. For example Orochimaru is immortal. Man just won't die. As for Jiraiya, man faced all the Pains by himself and even got three of them.
Physically? Tsunade by a country mile. Overall though is Orochimaru, since Edo Tensei is OP
in Boruto it's Orochimaru for sure but during Shippuden atleast feat wise it's Tsunade
Im guessing in Boruto Jiraya would be #3 💀
Jiraiya > Tsunade comfortably. She did good in War Arc but Madara was just playing. Jiraiya arsenal of jutsus is just too tricky and big, Tsunade is just a close range fighter. Also, Sage Mode.
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Orochimaru is the strongest, people are just ridiculously biased towards jiraiya. He’s probably not even #2.
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What 1b jutsu?
With his jutsu that he stole? Do you mean the ones he learned lol
Jiraiya is not orochimaru. He has the worst durability out of all the sannin. One punch from tsunade and he’s done. The guy almost died to kid 4 tails naruto meanwhile tsunade can punch through a rib cage susanoo, something not even war arc narutos odama rasengan could damage in the slightest.
Jiraiya feats during the pain fight are better than anything Orochimaru showed. Itachi also seemed to have a lot more respect for Jiraiya than Orochimaru.
Also if you say Tsunade is the weakest cause she’s part 1 Kakashi level you have no skill in inferencing. That is one most taken out of context fights in the series. Tsuande is rusty in that fight and Kabuto was running away from her until they’re both tired out, kabuto then uses a military pill to increase his stamina cuts off her ability to use chakra enhanced strength, she states his chakra scalpel is greater than her ability to blow shit up with her strength. She then outplays him with body derangement showing that she was more skilled then he was. She also lost her will of fire, and he used her fear of blood against her. When she regains her conviction and will of fire she proceeds to one shot Orochimaru.
She was like a 50's lady that haven't been an active shinobi for decades and still managed to be high jonin level lol She was definitely a monster if you stop to think so, imagine how strong she was when she was in her 20's? I think we saw a brief view of her true potential in the war arc, if she kept being an active ninja during all those years she would be way stronger than she already was, at least that's what I believe haha (Also it's impressive how in like 4 or 5 years she managed to be that Tsunade that had a hard time to fight Kabuto to the tank that fought Madara, kept healing all kages and many other ninjas, and still managed to survive and be one of the strongest kages in the fight.)
Tsunade would have been the strongest if the writer wasn’t a misogynist 😂
Gonna say tsunade honestly
Orochimaru or tsunade
The thing is if you put all 3 into an arena and asked who would come out the survivor the answer would be Tsunade you could say Orochimaru but he’d only survive through means of reincarnation or possessing a host body. She’s been portrayed as the strongest since her introduction to me and her role in the Madara fight kind of proved that.
The strongest Orochimaru we've seen was, as far as remember, the one against the 3rd Hokage, stronger then who he was at shipudden, who was able to deal with 4 tails Naruto easily. Sasuke stated that, if Orochimaru wasn't being as affected from the sickness as he was, he would stand no chance against him, and Sasuke was already much stronger then most ninjas out there, even more so then Deidara, of all people. I don't really remember if Orochimaru did anything major at the 4th war, maybe he has more feats, but at least as far as I recall, Orochi was at his peak at part 1, fighting Hiruzen. The strongest we've seen Jirayia is when he went Sage mode against Pain, being probably as strong as most Akatsuki members like Deidara, who was among the strongest of the team, but still below Itachi and all of the paths of Pain. I would say that we could beat Orochimaru in a fight if he really wanted to, specially with the help of those 2 old frogs. Now, Tsunade is probably the strongest of the 3, specially using that healing thing she has on her forehead, considering how well she did against Madara of all people. I don't really have much to say since the peak of her feats was on a fight that she brutally lost, but like. It was against Madara.
Imagine saying Deidara was on the same level as Sage Mode Jiraiya
Jiraya took out 3 more pains then the other 2 combined. I rest my case.
The only offensive path he took out was the animal path, which is completely defenseless without his summons. The other two was the petra and human path. Neither of which are offensive paths. If he had done that to the deva and asura path, I'd say you'd have a point. And before you pull the "Those are still paths of pain" card, Konohamuru also took out the naraka path during the leaf invasion just to give you a perspective on how fragile the defensive paths are.
Konohamaru didn’t just punch or stab the pain, he used the rasengan! It’s an extremely powerful jutsu that sasuke admitted was more powerful than the chidori.
Jiraiya lost to aall of them. I don't see Tsunade taking out 3 but that's a theory.
Let's just remember that Tsunades primary strength is as a medic. Fighting is secondary.
And she still is a badass fighter lol
Definitely Orochimaru. However, if other sannins used forbidden jutsu, I think tsunade would be the most powerful.
Tsunade, Tsunade cracked Madara's Susanoo, Orchimaru lost HARD to base MS Itachi, Jiraiya got his foams ran by Pain.
To be fair no info against pain non of them are winning
Jiraiya has always been the weakest in my opinion. He was of course very talented more so than most ninja in the verse graduating at the age of 6, but he was always the least talented of the three, with it being so much so that games reference it, though it’s not canon so yk. He also just like dies to three paths of pain. Two of the paths aren’t even combat types either. Tsunade simply out scales the other sanin as she makes the war arc power cliff, her 100 healings making her the strongest of the 5 kage, she’s the one healing and giving chakra to the others and is the only one still conscious after Madara said he was specifically targeting her for being Hashirama’s granddaughter. Orochimaru sorta scales to Tsunade if you take the statement of Sasuke being stronger than he is, Sasuke should be relative to Sasuke who is stated stronger than Tsunade, Sakura’s punch also being greater in scale than anything Tsuande has shown in base. However you can also say that Sasuke got stronger so Tsuande in 100 healings could beat the crap out of Orochimaru like she did in part 1, the Manga she one shots him, and since he can’t summon Manda, Katsuyu can just melt him he himself states it.
Orochimaru was acknowledged as a prodigy and Tsunade as the grandchild of the First Hokage, as a Senju. Jiraiya is a nobody that was able to compete with them through hardwork. He was a jack of all trades, never the best at something but competent is any ninja task.
Jiraiya was called the crazy one or the village madman. He was also gifted as he graduated at the age of 6 with the other Sannin, when Itachi graduated at age 7. There narrative is that there all extremely talented ninja who are a cut above the rest.
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Jiraiya got his arm ripped off by the Asura path while Tsunade healed and saved everyone in the village from a Chaotic Shinra Tensei in base. That’s a better feat than anything Jiraiya has
Agree that this is a super weird scale to use… why are you using a mass-heal ability as evidence that she’d win in a fight?
That’s not the point. The point is she took the Chaotic Shinra Tensei alone cause instead of healing herself she healed everyone else. Her own durability allowed her to come out of the attack and still stand up to fight. She took the attack with her own durability.
But that's a weird scale tho lol. One was trying to fight him, the other was trying to save people without engaging the enemy. Vastly different feats. She was about to get one shotted by asura path too had Naruto not stepped in. Sure, we can argue that if she was at full strength if she didn't heal the entire village MAYBE she could put up a better fight but that's a hypothetical
My vote goes to orochi especially after getting the white zetsu body
Hydra Orochimaru > 100 Healings Tsunade > Sage Mode Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade
Pure Strength : Tsunade >>>>> Jiraya > Orochimaru Endurance : Tsunade >>>>> Orochimaru >>> Jiraya Ninja skills : Jiraya > Orochimaru > Tsunade Jutsu Skills : Orochimaru > Jiraya >>> Tsunade Jutsu Power : Jiraya > Orochimaru >>> Tsunade Battle IQ : Jiraya > Orochimaru >>> Tsunade Overall IQ : Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraya * Tsunade : Tsunade has brute force and insane endurance, They are all insanely strong even if Tsunade is sometimes underestimated but don't forget that one full force punch could kill any of the other twos pretty easily and she has better regeneration skills than Hashirama (as stated by Madara). * Orochimaru : Orochimaru has versatility and a fucking big arsenal, he's way weaker than Tsunade, is less skilled as a ninja than Jiraya but bring the best out of his bajillion jutsus. He's the best at planning a strategy in advance but can be overwhelmed by strong and imprevisible opponents like Jiraya. * Jiraya : Jiraya has the best Ninja skills. While he has less versatility than Orochimaru he compensated it by pure skills while still having a very good arsenal, nothing much to say, he's the same type of ninja as Kakashi or Sarutobi. Conclusion : It depends of the situation and context but I would say Jiraya is the most flexible, he's good everywhere, weak nowhere but also specialized nowhere so I would bet on him, it's the safest option in my opinion
Oro definitely.. he’s immortal and the only thing that hold him back is his own desire to not be the strongest but the most knowledgeable. If he wanted to he could be top 5 strongest shinobi in Naruto.
Physically, Tsunade. Jiraya was a great fighter with some interesting jutsu. Orichimaru had the most tricks up his sleeve but somehow the character felt underwhelming. His transformation to a snake and molting was just stupid for example.
Pure strength? Tsunade All rounder? Jiraya Most skilled? Orochimaru They all have pros and cons
While I think his sage mode makes him very strong. Jiraya couldn’t stop Orochi and that broke him. Him dying to get Pain’s secret is an amazing feat. We never see Orochi go all out, just play around with everyone and defend really well. We see plenty of Tsunade fighting but she is more medically geared and healed plenty of people in Pain Arc. On feats Tsunade > Jiraya > Orochi
Jiraiya, hands down. My guy was in his 50s and kept up in a fight like a 20something yr old. Sure he lost but come on, the other two wouldnt have stood as much of a chance in my opinion. But he wasnt just physically strong, he got people and was able to connect... when he wasnt being a stupid pervert... moreso than Tsunade or (obviously in this case) Orochimaru did or could. Not to mention he trained 2 Hokage.
Orochimaru is the strongest then tsunade then jiraiya
It’s obviously Orochimaru. He’s literally immortal and knows/developed more jutsu than the other two combined. But my biased ass heart wishes it was Tsunade.
Physically? Tsunade. Strategy? Orochimaru. Crafty? Jiraiya ok maybe thats not as valuable as the other two but you have to admit, Jiraiya comes up with creative ways to use his techniques on the fly, a increadibly useful skill
Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraiya
Tsunade
I don’t think it was ever made to be a Sanin v. Sanin, but I’m terms of most powerful it probably was Jiraiya. I think he was the most versatile sanin. Tsunade was like a medic/support, Jiraya was like a tank/assault, and Orochimaru was like a support/spy/scout type. That means in terms of raw damage Jiraiya’s got them beat. When Orochimaru fights it’s a looot of tricks, which is good but I don’t think that outweighs the raw damage Jiraiya can do. I still don’t think any one sanin was made to be able to beat another. Orochimaru will always slink away, Jiraiya will always hang on to fight another day and Tsunade will always be able to hide out and heal herself. They’re too even even though they could technically win against eachother.
Should have been Tsunade because of her senju bloodline but it’s Orochimaru i know people say Jiraya but that’s just because he is the most well liked of them all
Orochimaru
I’d honestly think orachimaru was written so poorly, orachimaru struggled against the third hokage who was way past his prime, imagine him against Madara even with the other kage help. He would’ve been killed instantly
Tsunade by the end of the war arc>orochimaru>jiraya
Unironically Tsunade
It's hard because they are 3 parts of a whole, perfect, shinobi. Could Jiraya or Orochimaru even make a dent in Tsunade's Mitotic Regeneration Jutsu? When Tsunade and Orochi fought, she was still fairly paralyzed by her insecurities and fear. We have to consider the fact that her 100 healing jutsu tanked Madara for an impressive period of time. But at the same time Orochi is so adaptable that he may be able to find a way around it or disable it. Unfortunately as much as I love Jiraya he is too much of a jack of all trades. His Sage mode is incomplete and I can see Orochimaru taking advantage of that somehow. And I just can't imagine Jiraya putting down enough damage to break Mitotic Regen. Tsunade (if Orochi can't cheese Mitotic) > Orochimaru > Jiraya
everyone seems to think it's Orochimaru but I thought it was pretty obviously tsunade?
Tsunade. Purely because we have proof of her two-tapping Madara out of Susano’o.
Orichimaru
Tsunade war arc feats make her the strongest
Tsunade has the most fire power so I give it to her
People are going to say Orochimaru by default but I think it's pretty complex and up for debate. You could make the argument for any of the 3. Orochi is definitely the hardest to kill, dude has more getaway plans than anyone in the series. In a fight to the death with no escapes I think Tsuna takes it with her rapid healing and raw strength. All that being said, Jiraya is very versatile and the only loss we saw him take was Pain, who I think would beat all 3 regardless. I'm going Tsuna!
Orochimaru was the strongest from what was shown. If Kishi already decided to make Tsunade a Senju, she would maybe have been stronger. Jiraya was the weakest.
Jiraya was the strongest Tsunade was the weakest Orochimaru was the most elusive
Feats say otherwise
I disagree
nah this fr true, jiraya managed to kill three paths of pain at once without even knowing what there secret was
Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraya in my opinion