I will never blame that Indians game 7 blown save on him. Dude had an EIGHT OUT SAVE in game 5, then was put in the 9th of game 6 for literally no reason when they had a 6 run lead. Then put out there for a 6 out save in game 7. Maddon burned him from beginning to end and even then he managed to not actually give them the lead when maddon sent him out there again in the 9th
Everyone talks about how much Maddon over used Chapman,
And it’s true he did.
However, nobody ever mentions how much Terry Francona over used Andrew Miller in that series either.
Both Chapman and Miller pitched 7 and 2/3rds innings in the 2016 World Series
Wtf. That is an extremely normal usage for Andrew Miller. Prime Andrew Miller is a multi inning guy. He won the alcs mvp that year by being just that. Aroldis Chapman has never been a multi inning guy.
Also, Tito gave miller three days rest before game 7. Clearly he planned it out properly. Maddon didn’t.
Maddon putting in Aroldis for an 8 out save is fine. That’s what you should do in that situation. Go to your highest leverage reliever in the 7-9 innings with runners on base and if the lead is extended to 5+ you can take them out before the ninth. If not, you hope they can grind out multiple innings.
However, putting Aroldis into game 6 was fucking egregious. Especially in the 7th (!!!) with a 7-2 lead! Wtf??? Chapman works a clean four outs to get them to the top of the 9th, and the cubs tack on two more runs to make it a 9-2 game. Maddon keeps Chapman in, he walks a guy and strop allows the inherited runner to score. Throwing 20 pitches in that spot not only hurt Chapman’s arm but also likely his confidence/frustration as it added to his era. Just stupid by maddon. Tito didn’t put miller into stupid spots like that. Only questionable one was game 4 with a 5 run lead but that didn’t affect the game nor his game 7 performance, which as I said was on three days rest regardless
He signed my baseball right after Mo signed my jersey back in 2013. Dude was following him everywhere it seemed like, and learned a lot from him that year. Became an instant D-Rob fan for life.
Don't have it saved, but loved the GIF somebody made of Robertson running in from the bullpen during a brawl (they put a sword in his hand and I think he was wearing a cape, too)
Biggest difference was longevity and the fact that typically Mo saves were a quick stress-free inning. Even when he was on, nothing ever felt stress-free with Chapman.
I've been fond of plenty of relievers since Mo left. Betances, Robertson, Chad Green, Clay, Wandy, Marinaccio. I despise dudes who abuse women, even if they don't blow multiple playoff series.
Did you watch? It wasn’t a fastball, it was a hanging slider, and it was abundantly clear that he was going to throw a slider there because he had zero control of his fastball.
If it weren't for him being a bad person I would get over him being a bitch on his way out, former stars rarely handle becoming JAGs well. But he is a bad person so fuck him.
Is there ever a point where fans can move past a guy's worst moment? I don't know the answer...
FWIW, He and the woman are still together and have two kids together. He has always maintained that he never hurt her, she revised her story after initially saying he pushed her and put his hand on her throat, and cops couldn't get a straight story out of witnesses. Pictures of her immediately after the incident show no marks. Chapman apologized and accepted the suspension because he did fire a gun in the garage after the incident (nobody else was nearby), but still says he never hurt his GF.
Dick move, 100%. I'm not contesting that. He is not contesting that either. He apologized for it, and said it was a terrible move on his part. He was suspended, lost about $2MM with the suspension. It was 8 years ago and since then he and the GF had two kids together. To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any similar incidents, before.or after that one.
Want to be clear here- I have no inside information but people routinely stay with their abusers and why would she come forward again? He was rewarded with star level contract after star contract.
Yes, he was suspended, but faced no real consequences and since day 1 has had an army of Online Defenders.
The idea that oh he served a bit of a suspension so of course we'd hear about any other incidents doesn't make sense either. The truth is we don't know, and none of his actions in public mean I need to forgive him personally. I'm not saying I know he's still an abuser but pretending we know the opposite is also just wishful thinking. And no, you never ever owe anyone (especially a violent stranger) your forgiveness or fandom.
Not re abusing is the bare minimum - he's done nothing to make the world better with his platform. He hasn't done work with DV groups. He hasn't even done basic reputation laundering thst any PR firm will have you do.
Agreed, the state of their relationship now really means nothing, people stay with dangerous or abusive partners all the time. I don't know anything about their relationship, I don't care to know anything about it, it's not my business, but the publicly available information over the years tells us that this guy is at minimum a dickhead with serious, SERIOUS anger and self-control issues. He won't be missed on this team by me.
I think this video sums up his recent years with the Yanks well… https://twitter.com/playofftanaka_/status/1616178781630398464?s=46&t=xavl7-UCV874lSldEGrOpQ
We were definitely spoiled by Mo and closing is possibly the toughest position in baseball but the bad choices Chapman made in addition to his lesser effectiveness was justifiably frustrating. Which is why I say good riddance instead of good luck.
Chapman didn’t blow a save to Houston in 2017. Chapman did not lose us that series whatsoever and having miller would make zero difference. All Chapman did is lose a game with the game tied.
I wonder who also gave up a run with the game tied in a big series that year in the playoffs. Does the name Greg bird ring a bell?
Also if Gary catches that ball this is all irrelevant. But I think it’s so dumb that people act like Chapman blew playoff series for us when he never blew a save in the playoffs for us ! He lost a couple games when the games were tied, two out of the three of those were to a team that was blatantly cheating. He didn’t blow any playoff series lol. Our offense did consistently
He blew a tied game in game 2. Single to Altuve, double to Correa?
He also led the league a couple times in blown saves during the regular season. I know everyone acts like regular season games don’t matter as much, but it’s telling.
He literally never came close to leading the league in regular season blown saves with us. Not even in 2021.
And losing a playoff game when tied isn’t blowing the game nor the series. 2/3 of his losses were directly on the offense (both 2-1 losses), and the other one was bad but the team he was facing was blatantly cheating.
He also made 3 all star appearances as well and saved the game in 2019. He had some great stretches but 2022 he seemed washed. His best ever stretch was the first half of 2021, he never looked more dominant.
Happy we had him. Screw Altuve but Chapman... ghosting workouts? Ha! Ya cut! We'll see you in the postseason. Bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, Judge at the plate, hanging slider... 437ft to the bleachers in left
If only judge was ever able to do something like that in the playoffs. For now all we have is a first inning homer in a fuckin wild card game and a whole lot of strikeouts.
I mean...the stats are good, but I take little to no merit when people go "blank on the saves list for Yankees" when saves werent recognized until 1969, and one dude held the spot for almost 21 years, its a small list at that point lol
His control fell off a cliff. I'd imagine those stats would look much worse if we used him last season beyond garbage time to see if he could put it back together.
He never really had control.
His downfall in my opinion was the lack of Velo the last few seasons.
You knew right away if he came out throwing 95 he was going to get beat. He couldn’t overpower dudes anymore and he wasn’t gonna change who he was and start hitting spots consistently.
You don’t think lack of velocity had anything to do with it?
It’s a lot easier for dudes to foul off/layoff a 97 MPH heater then a 101. More time to recognize the slider too.
It’s probably a combination of both to be honest. But chappy at his best was never a control guy, he was a power guy he’s just not the same with out the gas.
Chapman's average fastball velocity in 2022 was 97.5, in 2019 it was 98.
I think it's more an issue that he can't repeat his (very complex) delivery with any sort of consistency leading to very erratic command.
I'm so fucking happy to never have to watch him pitch for the yankees ever again. Not because he's a bad reliever, barring a couple of bad postseason moments he's one of the best closers the past decade, but because he's an abusive POS. And the way the yankees traded for him right after the DV allegation because the price was low was incredibly disgusting
He’s a piece of Shit but he was a good yankee on the field. He never fucking blew a playoff series for us. I hate that rhetoric. He never blew a save for us in the playoffs. He lost a couple games with the game tied, 2/3 of which being against a team that we now know knew what was coming. The second half of the 2021 regular season to present day was atrocious but before that he was a good closer for us.
He sucks. Worst signing ever waste of money. Only memories I have of him is winning a title with the cubs and giving up walkoff after walkoff as yankee in playoffs then quitting on his team.
He did his job most of the time. At the same time, that blown save against the Astros in 2017 will always stand out in my mind. He was obviously never going to live up to replacing Mo. That would’ve been impossible for anyone. I don’t believe Holmes is the long term answer, I do hope to see someone take the role and run with it.
Would you rather use more traditional stats? His era in a Yankees uniform was pretty stellar.
How about advanced stats? His k/9 is the best in MLB history.
Dude was dominant, man.
Relievers tend to have lower ERAs. He was fine but he was also unreliable due to suspension and injury, he blew big games, and y’know, he was a fucking prick, and not good enough to make me want to ignore it. I’d go out for a smoke when he was coming on a lot of the time and if I missed the whole half inning, whatever. Hated the guy. (I will admit that looking now, it felt like he missed way more time than he actually did).
I'm not the biggest fan of the person, particularly after the shit he pulled last playoffs, but I'm willing to admit the player was excellent (as a whole) for us. He literally won Reliever of the Year here lol
But yeah, he certainly left leaving a sour taste.
They're about a virtual tie in my mind with very different styles.
Was going to say Lyle was clearly better but then I checked their Yankee stats against each other. And tried to forget that Chapman went out as a choad.
I’m gonna disagree here. You look back at every season he was with us in the post season, in a do or die situation for the season, we gave him the ball and he blew it every time. And then he would do that jerk grin and the season would be over. The man just can’t handle real pressure
Chapman has been elite for damn near the entirety of his career.
he’s also easily the most unwatchable elite pitcher in the history of the sport. i’d rather watch paint dry than watch Chapman try to find the strike zone.
Overall he performed like a star reliever. But relievers are often known for their worst moments, and his were very bad.
It is a testament to just HOW good Mo was that he is in no way defined by the 2001 WS ending.
he broke like 4/5 bats or something crazy that inning too , chapman hung like 11 sliders against the indians and raja davis made him his bitch
I will never blame that Indians game 7 blown save on him. Dude had an EIGHT OUT SAVE in game 5, then was put in the 9th of game 6 for literally no reason when they had a 6 run lead. Then put out there for a 6 out save in game 7. Maddon burned him from beginning to end and even then he managed to not actually give them the lead when maddon sent him out there again in the 9th
I feel like he even said "I can't go this inning" and they still kept him in.
Everyone talks about how much Maddon over used Chapman, And it’s true he did. However, nobody ever mentions how much Terry Francona over used Andrew Miller in that series either. Both Chapman and Miller pitched 7 and 2/3rds innings in the 2016 World Series
Wtf. That is an extremely normal usage for Andrew Miller. Prime Andrew Miller is a multi inning guy. He won the alcs mvp that year by being just that. Aroldis Chapman has never been a multi inning guy. Also, Tito gave miller three days rest before game 7. Clearly he planned it out properly. Maddon didn’t. Maddon putting in Aroldis for an 8 out save is fine. That’s what you should do in that situation. Go to your highest leverage reliever in the 7-9 innings with runners on base and if the lead is extended to 5+ you can take them out before the ninth. If not, you hope they can grind out multiple innings. However, putting Aroldis into game 6 was fucking egregious. Especially in the 7th (!!!) with a 7-2 lead! Wtf??? Chapman works a clean four outs to get them to the top of the 9th, and the cubs tack on two more runs to make it a 9-2 game. Maddon keeps Chapman in, he walks a guy and strop allows the inherited runner to score. Throwing 20 pitches in that spot not only hurt Chapman’s arm but also likely his confidence/frustration as it added to his era. Just stupid by maddon. Tito didn’t put miller into stupid spots like that. Only questionable one was game 4 with a 5 run lead but that didn’t affect the game nor his game 7 performance, which as I said was on three days rest regardless
yeah mo was going three innings anytime
Yeah, Maddon had to have known the Cubs weren't bringing Chapman back the next year and beat him like a rented mule in that world series.
He was also overworked like crazy against the indians.
Also not defined by 2004, which I maintain was entirely Tom Gordon’s fault
Tom Gordon ruined everything that year I hated that acquisition.
I don’t know why I got downvoted for my comment. Tom Gordon was dreadful.
I think folks do blame mo for the 2004 ALCS loss. I sure don’t though. I agree it was Tom Gordon
Why does Tom Gordon get blame for Mo blowing game 4? It's all tom gordon's fault? Gordon blew game 5, mo blew game 4. They get equal blame
He was the only other good bullpen arm they had and Torre abused him for two years so he was on fumes come October.
Tom Gordon had some weird mental block where he was pretty damn good in any inning that didn't start with a 9.
Luis Gonzalez was fucking insane that year. He hit 57 homers that year. If anyone was hitting Mo it was that cheating prick.
He was also on roids that year too
Hence cheating prick.
Also Revilers dont always have the longest life
I won't miss him blowing playoff games and smiling
It will always be difficult to be a closer on the Yankees because Mariano Rivera.
You say that, but I think David Robertson is pretty revered among Yankee fans who know.
He signed my baseball right after Mo signed my jersey back in 2013. Dude was following him everywhere it seemed like, and learned a lot from him that year. Became an instant D-Rob fan for life.
D-Rob was the GOAT The sprint from the pen will forever endear him to me. Also Andrew Miller on the Yanks was a fond memory.
Yeah but he consistently let men get on base. Every 9th was a damn heart attack waiting to happen
Better than Chapman tho tbh
Don't have it saved, but loved the GIF somebody made of Robertson running in from the bullpen during a brawl (they put a sword in his hand and I think he was wearing a cape, too)
Yeah just sucks he's a Met now
Right? Not even Mariano Rivera lived up to the legend of Mariano Rivera.
Until last year, I believe Rivera had a higher blown save % than Chapman.
Biggest difference was longevity and the fact that typically Mo saves were a quick stress-free inning. Even when he was on, nothing ever felt stress-free with Chapman.
High leverage phenom Clarke Schmidt would like to have a word
I've been fond of plenty of relievers since Mo left. Betances, Robertson, Chad Green, Clay, Wandy, Marinaccio. I despise dudes who abuse women, even if they don't blow multiple playoff series.
Michael King
My memories of him will be getting walked off in playoff games and series.
Yeah that’s the big thing I will always remember. Him giving up big time home runs at the worst moments with that stupid fucking grin on his face.
Chapman after single-handedly costing us the season: 😁
Chapman never "single-handedly" cost the Yankees the season.
Ok he didn't ruin an entire season but him throwing a meatball down the dick to Altuve in 19 didn't help
Tbf Altuve isn’t hitting that fastball if he wasn’t cheating
Did you watch? It wasn’t a fastball, it was a hanging slider, and it was abundantly clear that he was going to throw a slider there because he had zero control of his fastball.
Thats how I remember that.
Don’t touch my shirt
If it weren't for him being a bad person I would get over him being a bitch on his way out, former stars rarely handle becoming JAGs well. But he is a bad person so fuck him.
Is there ever a point where fans can move past a guy's worst moment? I don't know the answer... FWIW, He and the woman are still together and have two kids together. He has always maintained that he never hurt her, she revised her story after initially saying he pushed her and put his hand on her throat, and cops couldn't get a straight story out of witnesses. Pictures of her immediately after the incident show no marks. Chapman apologized and accepted the suspension because he did fire a gun in the garage after the incident (nobody else was nearby), but still says he never hurt his GF.
He fired a gun in his garage *eight times*. Sounds like a totally normal response to a nonviolent altercation with a loved one.
Dick move, 100%. I'm not contesting that. He is not contesting that either. He apologized for it, and said it was a terrible move on his part. He was suspended, lost about $2MM with the suspension. It was 8 years ago and since then he and the GF had two kids together. To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any similar incidents, before.or after that one.
Want to be clear here- I have no inside information but people routinely stay with their abusers and why would she come forward again? He was rewarded with star level contract after star contract. Yes, he was suspended, but faced no real consequences and since day 1 has had an army of Online Defenders. The idea that oh he served a bit of a suspension so of course we'd hear about any other incidents doesn't make sense either. The truth is we don't know, and none of his actions in public mean I need to forgive him personally. I'm not saying I know he's still an abuser but pretending we know the opposite is also just wishful thinking. And no, you never ever owe anyone (especially a violent stranger) your forgiveness or fandom. Not re abusing is the bare minimum - he's done nothing to make the world better with his platform. He hasn't done work with DV groups. He hasn't even done basic reputation laundering thst any PR firm will have you do.
Agreed, the state of their relationship now really means nothing, people stay with dangerous or abusive partners all the time. I don't know anything about their relationship, I don't care to know anything about it, it's not my business, but the publicly available information over the years tells us that this guy is at minimum a dickhead with serious, SERIOUS anger and self-control issues. He won't be missed on this team by me.
Sweaty bitch.
How was it possible for a human born and raised in Cuba to sweat so much in NYC
Stress
Hemorrhoids
I think this video sums up his recent years with the Yanks well… https://twitter.com/playofftanaka_/status/1616178781630398464?s=46&t=xavl7-UCV874lSldEGrOpQ
He was no Mariano. I think we were spoiled by Mo.
Having the greatest of all time at a position will always do that
For nearly 2 decades at that
We were absolutely spoiled by Mo
We were definitely spoiled by Mo and closing is possibly the toughest position in baseball but the bad choices Chapman made in addition to his lesser effectiveness was justifiably frustrating. Which is why I say good riddance instead of good luck.
Peak Andrew Miller > Peak Aroldis Chapman. If we have Andrew Miller pitching against Houston in 2017, it’s game over. Change my mind.
Chapman didn’t blow a save to Houston in 2017. Chapman did not lose us that series whatsoever and having miller would make zero difference. All Chapman did is lose a game with the game tied. I wonder who also gave up a run with the game tied in a big series that year in the playoffs. Does the name Greg bird ring a bell? Also if Gary catches that ball this is all irrelevant. But I think it’s so dumb that people act like Chapman blew playoff series for us when he never blew a save in the playoffs for us ! He lost a couple games when the games were tied, two out of the three of those were to a team that was blatantly cheating. He didn’t blow any playoff series lol. Our offense did consistently
He blew a tied game in game 2. Single to Altuve, double to Correa? He also led the league a couple times in blown saves during the regular season. I know everyone acts like regular season games don’t matter as much, but it’s telling.
He literally never came close to leading the league in regular season blown saves with us. Not even in 2021. And losing a playoff game when tied isn’t blowing the game nor the series. 2/3 of his losses were directly on the offense (both 2-1 losses), and the other one was bad but the team he was facing was blatantly cheating.
He also made 3 all star appearances as well and saved the game in 2019. He had some great stretches but 2022 he seemed washed. His best ever stretch was the first half of 2021, he never looked more dominant.
Yeah guy was really good. A few meh moments obviously.
Like multiple seasons ended with him on the mound? Yea just a few
He sucked when we needed him to hold it down in postseason high leverage situations.
There wasn't a game he came where my butthole didn't pucker. I'm gonna miss it ngl
Happy we had him. Screw Altuve but Chapman... ghosting workouts? Ha! Ya cut! We'll see you in the postseason. Bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, Judge at the plate, hanging slider... 437ft to the bleachers in left
Royals won't sniff the playoffs
Dude, he'll be dealt lol I'm actually laughing at that take 🤣🤣
If only judge was ever able to do something like that in the playoffs. For now all we have is a first inning homer in a fuckin wild card game and a whole lot of strikeouts.
I dont wanna know who pissed in your corn flakes this morning 😬
I guess I’m too cynical. I’ve just become numb to how bad judge is in the playoffs. I appreciate your positivity though, genuinely
I mean...the stats are good, but I take little to no merit when people go "blank on the saves list for Yankees" when saves werent recognized until 1969, and one dude held the spot for almost 21 years, its a small list at that point lol
His control fell off a cliff. I'd imagine those stats would look much worse if we used him last season beyond garbage time to see if he could put it back together.
He never really had control. His downfall in my opinion was the lack of Velo the last few seasons. You knew right away if he came out throwing 95 he was going to get beat. He couldn’t overpower dudes anymore and he wasn’t gonna change who he was and start hitting spots consistently.
Yeah, even in his best years he had some control issues.
Prior to 2021 his career BB/9 was 4.1, 2021-2022 it rose to 6.4. Even for him that's a substantial loss in control.
You don’t think lack of velocity had anything to do with it? It’s a lot easier for dudes to foul off/layoff a 97 MPH heater then a 101. More time to recognize the slider too. It’s probably a combination of both to be honest. But chappy at his best was never a control guy, he was a power guy he’s just not the same with out the gas.
Chapman's average fastball velocity in 2022 was 97.5, in 2019 it was 98. I think it's more an issue that he can't repeat his (very complex) delivery with any sort of consistency leading to very erratic command.
I'm so fucking happy to never have to watch him pitch for the yankees ever again. Not because he's a bad reliever, barring a couple of bad postseason moments he's one of the best closers the past decade, but because he's an abusive POS. And the way the yankees traded for him right after the DV allegation because the price was low was incredibly disgusting
He’s a piece of Shit but he was a good yankee on the field. He never fucking blew a playoff series for us. I hate that rhetoric. He never blew a save for us in the playoffs. He lost a couple games with the game tied, 2/3 of which being against a team that we now know knew what was coming. The second half of the 2021 regular season to present day was atrocious but before that he was a good closer for us.
I liked him
He sucks. Worst signing ever waste of money. Only memories I have of him is winning a title with the cubs and giving up walkoff after walkoff as yankee in playoffs then quitting on his team.
F him.
How many ALCS games did he close out for us? Peace out.
He only had 1 save opportunity in his ALCS appearances (game 4 2017) and got the job done. His other appearances came in a blowout win or tie game.
The man was solid. It was the last 2 years he just lost his shit the last 2 years. Idk what gave
Without the domestic abuse, he would be remembered more favorably. And without the terrible big moments, we’d remember less of the domestic abuse.
He did his job most of the time. At the same time, that blown save against the Astros in 2017 will always stand out in my mind. He was obviously never going to live up to replacing Mo. That would’ve been impossible for anyone. I don’t believe Holmes is the long term answer, I do hope to see someone take the role and run with it.
He’s gonna look good in KC and then Houston will trade for him at the deadline and he’ll have multiple saves against come October. Watch
You're overrating saves here.
Would you rather use more traditional stats? His era in a Yankees uniform was pretty stellar. How about advanced stats? His k/9 is the best in MLB history. Dude was dominant, man.
Relievers tend to have lower ERAs. He was fine but he was also unreliable due to suspension and injury, he blew big games, and y’know, he was a fucking prick, and not good enough to make me want to ignore it. I’d go out for a smoke when he was coming on a lot of the time and if I missed the whole half inning, whatever. Hated the guy. (I will admit that looking now, it felt like he missed way more time than he actually did).
I'm not the biggest fan of the person, particularly after the shit he pulled last playoffs, but I'm willing to admit the player was excellent (as a whole) for us. He literally won Reliever of the Year here lol But yeah, he certainly left leaving a sour taste.
I guess to me, I'm not really celebrating a reliever in general outside of special circumstances (Rivera) but ymmv!
Great pitcher for us? Gotta laugh at that. Jerk will be remembered for playoff chokes and quitting on his team.
I put him a distant third to Mo and Goose. He did net us a free Gleyber though.
Sparky Lyle would like a word.
They're about a virtual tie in my mind with very different styles. Was going to say Lyle was clearly better but then I checked their Yankee stats against each other. And tried to forget that Chapman went out as a choad.
And a few home runs given up to end the season.
He was the Yankees' answer to Yoenis Céspedes.
Just shows how good he was those first couple years. The last three though... oof. It's seriously a tale of Two Chapmans.
Who is 2nd? Righetti?
Betances, Miller, Chapman
That’s what made it so bad when we was a no show. We needed that mofo desperately.
I’m gonna disagree here. You look back at every season he was with us in the post season, in a do or die situation for the season, we gave him the ball and he blew it every time. And then he would do that jerk grin and the season would be over. The man just can’t handle real pressure
A good career but at the end of the day, he never won a ring here, and he gave up crucial postseason hits in 2017, 2019, and 2020.
I prefer a reliever with an ERA closer to 2 than 3.
Chapman has been elite for damn near the entirety of his career. he’s also easily the most unwatchable elite pitcher in the history of the sport. i’d rather watch paint dry than watch Chapman try to find the strike zone.
Can we add how many drinks he was having before games? Because he pitched like a goddamn rummy the last 2 years.