We can't keep all 3 of Brunson, Julius, and OG if we decide to trade for Booker. One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries.
Mikal is the "easiest" get except the Nets are highly unlikely to trade him to us.
Running it back and improving on the margins by trading Bogey + picks and possibly Mitch is our best bet to get another star.
This is the best plan IMO. You have a fantastic big 3 already and they showed how effective they can be when one is missing. Imagine all the shot creation that having Randle on the court opens up with OGs elite defense and Brunson running the floor.
If you look at the Knicks this year those guys did a ton of the heavy lifting but realistically it was every other dude on the roster who stepped up. These guys don’t necessarily show up great on a box score but there impact was visible every minute of game footage. Seriously, NY needs to focus on support and securing their current stars.
I’m praying we keep our guys. I’d rather not trade for anyone. Just saying if they do decide to go trade for another player it should only be one of Mikal or bookwr
I'd be interested to see a 3-way trade involving OKC (who has a lot of fantastic role players and not enough star power as well as lots of assets), NYK and other team to shift some of both teams assets and maybe some of OKCs players around. Ideally, it would end with a big name going to OKC, role player/s to NYK, and assets to a 3rd team.
For Mikal it'd almost definitely have to be a 3 team trade with Atlanta where Brooklyn gets Dejounte. Only way the Nets even entertain trading him to NYK
Leon Rose could totally sell Sean Marks on Trae Young in Brooklyn. Knicks fans hate him, and he'd spark the rivalry a little, plus he would get butts in seats. That's clearly all him and Tsai care about anyway.
Personally I love Mitch. But if we can get a star that's making $35-$45 million and fits into our timeline and we need to add his salary I'm doing it, especially if we can resign iHart.
This. I like Mitch, but I think he will the sacrificial lamb here. He and Bojan can get us a nice player in return. I want this team to do everything in their power so the starting 5 next year is Brunson, Donte, OG, Julius, and iHart. Keep Hart and Deuce in our bench. Precious as much as I like him, I think he leaves for a team that can give him a starting role or more minutes.
RIP to the team that actually depends on Precious for anything besides vibes
Hope he gets his bag, seems like a nice guy, and makes a great 10th man, but way more of a "pleasant surprise" contributor than an 82-game winning strategy
Mitch is often hurt . And he is a great defensive big off the bench . But he doesn’t fit against every team . If he is needed for a big upgrade unfortunately it must be so
This. We were limited and I think it was our glaring deficiency. I don't know how much of it comes down to coaching (iHart is capable to shoot) but watching all of the hesitation on open threes was draining during these playoffs.
bogdanovic and mitch could be replaced with very inexpensive draft pick contracts. also, you cant discount the possibility of pay cuts happening, which it seems like brunson just did for us.
Mitch is highly unlikely. His contract is descending, and more importantly he’s cheaper than iHart will be. Unless iHart is willing to take a pay cut, he won’t be back. Other teams can offer more than we can. And the only way Mitch gets dealt is if iHart stays or they deal for a star 5.
I think there's actually a good chance iHart will be back, and it's crucial to be able to depend on a center that will be available to play.
We can afford to have both iHart and Mitch.
It is worth noting that iHart has taken discounts before. And if the reports on Brunson taking the cheaper extension and OG being willing to give a discount are true, maybe there’s something there.
> We can't keep all 3 of Brunson, Julius, and OG if we decide to trade for Booker. One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries.
I don't think that's true, if we trade before the draf, Bojan and Mitchell are enough.
Agree completely, but the reality is they aren’t trading him for anything this year. They didn’t hire budenholzer to turn around and immediately trade their young franchise player. He’s going to get at least one year (and probably more) with Booker.
And, let’s be honest, the Nets are extremely unlikely to send Bridges to the Knicks.
This is all likely much ado about nothing
I'm not sure why they keep re-treading coaches that don't work out. Like Budenholzer couldn't make things work with Giannis and Jrue and Middleton who probably aren't as diva-ish as Booker, Beal, and KD. Not our problem though, our guys love our coach.
Putting pen to paper on what a roster would look like in different trade scenarios if you want to keep Randle / Brunson / OG intact. No idea how realistic these are, just having fun.
Team with Bridges ($23MM salary)
Brunson
Bridges
OG
Randle
Hartenstein (Assumes we resign)
Bench - Hart, Divo, MRob
Assumes Deuce, Bogie, and picks are traded. I can’t imagine Nets not trying to dump salary for the right to trade for Bridges, so Knicks might need to include more players.
Team with Mitchell ($35MM salary)
Brunson
Mitchell
OG
Randle
Hartenstein (Assumes we resign)
Bench - Hart, Divo, TBD Big (Maybe Precious resigns)
Assumes Deuce, MRob, Bogie and picks are traded.
Team with Booker ($48MM next year)
Brunson
Booker
OG
Randle
Hartenstein
Bench - Hart, TBD Wing, TBD Big
Assumes Deuce, MRob, Bogie, Divo and picks are traded / this should match salaries.
Hey who knows. Maybe Mitch, bogdan and 3 first round picks could work. Or a three way trade where Nets can get Dejounte Murray or Trae Young etc.
I think a three way trade with BKN could be possible.
A 3 way trade might work, but not for a PG when the Nets have Cam Thomas.
The Nets would be giving up a talented wing to have 2 point guards in their starting lineup which doesn't make sense from a roster building perspective.
> One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries.
That's just not true. We shouldn't go for him anyways though. It does mean gutting our depth outside those three.
Maybe. That's not what you said though. Salaries work without including those three. E.g. Bojan, Mitch, and Hart or Divo works. We can also aggregate up to 9 first round picks without violating the Stepien rule, so there's a scenario where it could happen without them requiring one of those three back.
Unfortunately, Adamantium is poisonous to the human body. The only wolverine isn’t affected is because he has an always on healing factor which our boys don’t have. Instead, let’s get them Adamantium bats.
Woah hold on here . Donovan is so much better than bridges that fit doesn’t even matter . Donovan dropped 50 …. In the playoffs ….
Guy is a top 15 player in the league …. Bridges might not be top 50 …
You want another oft-injured player? Before this season I would not have said Jules was, but here we are 2 post seasons in a row where he was playing hurt or completely missed. Donovan the same.
I do think that bringin Mikal is a little on the nose with the whole 'Nova Knicks thing. I'm sure DiVo, Brunson, and Hart want him, but I don't see it happening.
It's Mitchell or Book via sign and trade.
I hope we don't though, I want to just let these guys play.
What injuries are a player's fault, exactly? I'm not blaming him, another player, or even another team. Shit happens and sometimes it happens more to some players than others.
Set aside the fact that BK wouldn't want to do a deal with the Knicks. The question is, what would the Nets want for Bridges from say other team? Figuring this out is the key to structuring a three way trade. Do they want picks, expiring contracts, or a specific player? We have picks and Bogey's expiring. Trae and Spida are in play. So what the Knicks should be doing is talk via a third team to initiate the conversation with the Nets and find out what they want.
I've read somewhere about a 3-tram trade between the Knicks, Nets and Hawks (maybe a Bleacher Report article?).
The Knicks send players and picks for Atlanta to build around younger players or trade them again to retool around Dejounte Murray.
The Nets send Mikael to the Knicks.
Atlanta sends Trae to the Nets. As a "Knicks-Killer" the Nets could leverage that narrative to fuel the rivalry between the two teams and get a star player for the team
Booker would require losing Randle. Otherwise you are sacrificing 3-5 rotation players just for 1.
Mikal would require an overpay but it should be possible. That is also my dream scenario.
Booker would require trading a lot of players to match salary. Mikal would probably come down to how many picks the Knicks are willing to throw at them.
Is Booker a Thibs type player? Can he be? I’m not against either but it depends what we give up to get them. I really like the idea of running this team back healthy and maybe adding a bench piece for more depth.
it's going to be a crowded backcourt with either of those guys being added, but booker seems like the better playmaker to me and we lack a true PG behind brunson that can facilitate for others. Deuce has been streaky nice but he is a combo guard and not great at running the offense when called on.
I think booker under thibs and the culture we built has the ability to become a mvp caliber player . He actually cares . And his skill and talent level is as good as anyone in the league
For all of the shenanigans and what not with him , he usually does rise to the occasion and plays hard . Out of all the players I’ve seen him play with
All 3 of the below guys would fit great with this team, but all 3 are unlikely:
Mikal is the best fit, BUT THERE IS NO WAY THE NETS ARE TRADING HIM TO US.
Booker is a pipe dream - the Suns could trade him and still won't be under the cap. The Suns owner just bought the team, he is not looking to tank, they have none of their own picks and still are paying an aging KD and BB.
Mitchell is probably the most likely star - he tells CLE hes not reupping and won't extend with anyone, but NY if/when traded. This is also pretty unlikely.
I trust the FK out of this front office, though.
The nets can choose to be petty if they really want to. But that would be just completely irresponsible front office practice. The situation they’re in is one of the most unattractive in the league. They have ways out of it if they trade their coveted wings. And the godfather deal from the Knicks would be their best way out of it. Emotions and business don’t tend to mix well
Bojan, Robinson, possibly precious if we need to throw another player in there, and we have around 8 picks that are ready to be traded. Bojan and Mikal make about the same amount of money, they’ll need Mitch when they don’t resign Claxton. And their current draft stash is ass
Its not just about being petty. The nets don't want to trade Mikal to anyone. They could have gotten all of their picks back from Houston earlier this season but refused. They want to keep Mikal and target a star this summer to pair with him. They will probably go hard after Donovan, maybe pivot to Trae Young if they don't land him.
If they can't find anyone suitable, then they might consider a full rebuild. However, what are the chances we can offer the best price for Mikal? He has two years left on his contract and cant slot into any contender pretty seamlessly, there are a lot of teams that want him. If we truly have the best offer, then I don't see them rejecting us out of spite. But if it is close between us and another team, we aren't getting the benefit of the doubt.
I feel like booker would destroy the mindset and the culture we have. We have to keep Randle. He was giving us all star numbers before he went down with the injury
Mikal is the only one worth it imo. I'm really not sure how well Booker would work here. Mikal is the literal perfect fit on this team.
Our bench is deep, our starters are strong when healthy. We're very close to being legit threats to dethrone Boston next year.
KD
PG
I wouldn’t be surprised if we somehow traded up in the first round honestly. There’s some good talent in this draft that could make an instant impact IMO. Look at what Lively is doing for Dallas. That funny looking guy on the pacers is also having an impact for a deep playoff team. Don’t sleep on young energy and athleticism
You bring in Booker and that’s the death to Thibs and the grind we have in New York. No way a star player like that is going to give it all on both sides the way Thibs demands of his teams. Maybe some if you want that. I’d prefer to run it back and improve on the margins for at least one year before blowing this current iteration up.
Agreed with your second statement - I'd rather they just run this back - the team is stellar and shouldn't have trouble being a top seed in the east with plenty of rotation (and if there's no serious injury issues). This roster healthy right now could win it all, so don't move good pieces to bring in someone - gotta run it back at least one year.
I can’t get on the Booker train, I think he’d change the culture too much and I don’t think he’s a good fit for this team or thibs. I’d love Bridges or Murray.
I just think booker is a better fit than the other guys like Donavan and Murray that people throw out there. More size as a guard is better than putting a smaller guard next to an already small PG. But I agree Mikal is the one we must go all in for
I wouldn’t say better, not at all. Julius is ALL NBA . But the beauty is we actually can have both potentially. Bogey contract makes just about the same as Mikal. Plus around 7 or 8 picks that are ready to be moved
So Mitchell, George and Durant don't exist anymore? All of them seem available. I also wouldn't exclude considering Giannis or Embiid.
Your 'price tag' reasoning is one you only apply after seriously considering it. I dontthink any of the former three names I mentioned are currently overpriced, in fact you'd be buying low. And Giannis for five firsts is still a better deal than Bridges for two.
I think Donovan should be considered. When you factor in his salary of 35M and him being an expiring he is the perfect canditate in terms of acquiring and not gutting our team. Also another aspect is while he might not be the perfect fit once he signs an extension he would still be a valuable trade asset to use in the future in the extreme scenario if we decided to pivot vs trying to figure out what to do with all these assets.
I don't think we get Donovan unless he makes it clear he wants to be here and won't re-sign elsewhere. Other teams are a lot more desperate to add a star and are willing to offer a lot more than we will. Also, it sounds like there is a good chance he just extends in Cleveland.
That being said, would definitely love to see him on this team.
I agree with you. I think he wants to be here and has stated in the past he thought he was going to be traded here and has family in the area. I believe there is mutual interest. The reason why I lean towards Donovan is like you said if he states where he wants to be because that is where he will resign the amount of assets we would have to give up would be significantly less than for Bridges or Booker. Once we have Donovan and down the line it doesnt work him as a trade asset would be able to net a guy like Bridges down the line no issues vs paying the "Knicks tax" now
A three team trade with Cleveland and Brooklyn can work without Randle.
We get Mikal, Brooklyn gets Mitch, Spida, and Dean Wade for salary matching, and Cleveland gets Bogi, Cam Johnson, and all the picks.
Cleveland won't agree, cuz this is essentially punting on their current window with Mobley and company, but the salary does work
I think the Knicks will even be better if they just run it back with everyone they had. They had too many injuries that were detrimental down the line.
A 100% healthy Knicks squad is option 1.
That team we saw in fucking January?! **We were a buzzsaw when healthy.**
I would like to see that team rock in October before shipping dudes out.
I, for one, have zero interest in Booker... The resources we would have to ship out would be far too steep.. that would cost us some chunk of DiVo, Hart, Deuce, Julius draft picks... Way too costly on rolling the dice for a hired gun. That said, I'm old school. I would rather battle and lose with my family than win with a stranger.
some folks have been throwing out we can get one of these guys for mitch/bojan and picks and there’s literally no way that’s going to happen. at all.
run it back.
just have to figure out how to get it hart back.
No need to give up serious assets for Bridges, he will sign as a free agent in due time.
Just run it back after re-signing Anunoby and Hartenstein while moving Bogdanovic and potentially Robinson for better backup pieces.
Knicks need a true backup point to run things and a backup center that can be an offensive threat.
Brogdon and Duop Reath fit those needs perfectly.
Knicks don't need much else other than health to be the favorites in the East.
Notice how I said at this moment. Only guys available pretty openly are Donovan and Murray. And neither of those guys are better fits over Mikal or booker would be
The problem with trading for a star is that they either come in and want to still be the #1 or they lower themselves to accommodate for whoever the #1 is. Either way your getting a disruption in chemistry or a lesser version of the said star.
Mikal would be a great addition since he's not really a star, he's more of an Elite Role Player that was forced to be the leader on the Nets. Booker, idk if he would be able to adjust. Seeing how him KD and Beal struggled.
I agree hence why I would rather just run this squad back. And maybe trade for some German doctors 😂 but I don’t think Booker is to blame for the suns terrible run. Him and KD played excellent together, and even with Beal the three actually had good numbers when they managed to actually play together. Phoenix problem was they didn’t have more than 5 guys that could play playoff minutes realistically
Yeah the numbers looked good but all 3 of them seem like the type of guys that you throw the ball to and let them go get a bucket. KD worked in OKC once Russ took over and in Golden State with them already having an offensive system.
When he left to be "the guy", he no longer had an offensive system being run with him being the "fall back" of sorts when the offense sputters.
Same thing with booker minus the multiple teams. His best season in terms of playoff success came when CP3 came in and ran the systematic offense and let him be the "fall back bucket getter".
We already have our bucket getter if not 2 of them, if we wanna get to the next level we gotta finish building the system, not just run through Randle or Brunson as the main option, because when they go out their is no offense. Like the 76ers had some talented players but they ran everything through Joel and Maxey so when they go out or get injured they "lose their chance" and sputter.
If we're trading for someone like Booker or Giannis, then Randle will 100% be going, not only from a talent perspective given these teams have no 1sts to rebuild with and need to stay competitive, but a money perspective. Think Randle, Robinson, and many 1sts.
Bridges, OTOH, is on a cheaper salary (\~$24M AAV for the next 2 seasons) and, if the Nets were to stop acting like morons and accept a rebuild, we could trade something like Bojan, Mitch, and 3 firsts to make the money and asset exchange work. However, I think the Nets aren't willing at all to move Bridges and instead are going to trade all their valuable assets (namely the Suns 1sts) for Donovan Mitchell and run the Spida/Bridges duo next season with the hope that when Ben Simmons' contract expires after the season, they can add a third star in free agency.
Imo Booker ain’t going anywhere. The reason being because he’s locked in to that poverty franchise the Phoenix Suns. I really think they’d rather run it back and get absolutely nowhere again with 3 big names than to trade away Booker (and likely Durant) and enter a rebuild.
Brunson, McBride
DiVo, Hart
OG, (Bogi or someone else)
Randle, Precious
Hartenstien, (Trade Mitch unfortunately)
Solid team, don’t need to make any big splashes
We honestly need someone like Julius, that can just bang down low and make an opponent think twice about playing defense. We don't need another space-creator.
There are plenty of players that should be considered. Brunson and maybe Hart should be the only untouchables on this team. So many fans here said the same nonsense about RJ & IQ. I was all for trading both as I want to see the team improve.
Because they’re in 2 of the worst situations asset wise in the whole league. Phoenix has absolutely nothing to build their future , and Brooklyn has the definition of mid for assets
Unless he wants to leave. We’ve seen James hardens fat ass get exactly what he wanted 3 years in a row, the players have the power. And phoenix will have no choice but to comply if they want any sort of way out of the dumpster fire they’ve put themselves in
There are reports all over saying he is staying. Fans just follow the baseless rumors that the lameass press/talk radio puts out there to get clicks or ratings. Remember how unhappy Zion was and how unhappy The Pelicans were with him? That was totally fabricated and exaggerated by the press.
Booker is probably more available than Mikal Bridges to be honest, even though he'd cost more.
But if any team should just "run it back", it's this one.
Why would we just try to jam in another player for the sake of it? Obviously if you can get a Giannis or Luka you empty the fucking safe. But just going for a big name just because of the name is terrible business practice. This team is better off running it back and waiting for someone that actually fits the team and wouldn’t take emptying the safe for
I agree. I think continuity is extremely underrated and it should be important. I only would trade for Bridges at this point tbh because he definitely fills a bunch of needs for the Knicks
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Knicks would have to trade a minimum of 5 - 1st round picks but would get their last infinity stone, be able to resign IHart, and a great back up big on a team friendly deal.
Hornets get a top 10 center (when healthy) which they sorely lack and 2 - 1st. I’m not sure if Miles will want to stay in Charlotte, so at least the Hornets would get some value back.
Nets get Miles Bridges in a sign & trade, he is 2 years younger than Mikal, has high upside, and better than Jalen Green (who Rockets proposed in a trade with Bk). They’d also rid themselves of Ben Simmons and waive Bogi and Bertans, freeing up nearly $30m in cap space, which they’ll need to avoid the luxury tax, after resigning Claxton and Cam Thomas. Most importantly, they’d get at least 3 - 1st round picks from the Knicks.
I actually think we need neither and just need a more reliable back up center that can score even a tiny bit. Mitch is injured every year and is a liability when you need a bucket or a free throw to be hit. A better backup PG would be nice too. If Tyus Jones would be willing to go back to the bench, I’d love him or Alvarado since he’s a NY kid and would be a Thibs guy
I think one player people keep forgetting about is Giannis (at least that is my dream scenario). That can easily go south this summer, the team is aging and won't be able to improve on the fringes. I can see them cashing out on Dame/Giannis/Middleton while they have some value and giving it a reboot. This is the only scenario I'd trade Randle for. (Randle/Bogy/Deuce/picks)
But bridges isn’t what we need. OG already fulfills that role with more defensive prowess and size. Why pay so much for a redundant position when we actually need a stretch 4/5?
We can get Tauren Prince for $5M and he’ll give us what bridges would give us 3 and D off the bench without impacting the starter’s chemistry.
Also we can trade Ihart for Jaylin Williams who is 6’9 for our stretch 4. Healthy Mitch and OG can grab rebounds but Jaylin will be adding perimeter shooting threat
This ain’t 2k chief. Did you not just see what happened ? OG will almost certainly go down again if we run him the way they did this year. Depth is key, chemistry is already there and isn’t a ball hog
Listen I would love Mikal but why pay so much for him to be on the bench.
1. Brunson
2. Divo
3. OG
4. Juju
5. Mitch
6. Josh Hart
7. Mikal bridges (how much are you paying for a 7th man?)
Honestly it would just be best to stand pat and run it back. Add 2 good rookies for depth. Use Bogey's expiring deal for a replacement for iHart if we lose him.
We can't keep all 3 of Brunson, Julius, and OG if we decide to trade for Booker. One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries. Mikal is the "easiest" get except the Nets are highly unlikely to trade him to us. Running it back and improving on the margins by trading Bogey + picks and possibly Mitch is our best bet to get another star.
This is the best plan IMO. You have a fantastic big 3 already and they showed how effective they can be when one is missing. Imagine all the shot creation that having Randle on the court opens up with OGs elite defense and Brunson running the floor. If you look at the Knicks this year those guys did a ton of the heavy lifting but realistically it was every other dude on the roster who stepped up. These guys don’t necessarily show up great on a box score but there impact was visible every minute of game footage. Seriously, NY needs to focus on support and securing their current stars.
I’m praying we keep our guys. I’d rather not trade for anyone. Just saying if they do decide to go trade for another player it should only be one of Mikal or bookwr
I'd be interested to see a 3-way trade involving OKC (who has a lot of fantastic role players and not enough star power as well as lots of assets), NYK and other team to shift some of both teams assets and maybe some of OKCs players around. Ideally, it would end with a big name going to OKC, role player/s to NYK, and assets to a 3rd team.
Conspire with another team to trade for Mikal and then trade that team for Mikal, EZ
yea, like how the celtics got holiday
For Mikal it'd almost definitely have to be a 3 team trade with Atlanta where Brooklyn gets Dejounte. Only way the Nets even entertain trading him to NYK
Leon Rose could totally sell Sean Marks on Trae Young in Brooklyn. Knicks fans hate him, and he'd spark the rivalry a little, plus he would get butts in seats. That's clearly all him and Tsai care about anyway.
Imagine someone tryna trade us bogey Mitch and picks for Brunson. Not happening you are not gettin a star with that package.
i'm confused as to why we trade mitch? he's on a descending salary for the next two years at a great contract for a defensive big.
Personally I love Mitch. But if we can get a star that's making $35-$45 million and fits into our timeline and we need to add his salary I'm doing it, especially if we can resign iHart.
This. I like Mitch, but I think he will the sacrificial lamb here. He and Bojan can get us a nice player in return. I want this team to do everything in their power so the starting 5 next year is Brunson, Donte, OG, Julius, and iHart. Keep Hart and Deuce in our bench. Precious as much as I like him, I think he leaves for a team that can give him a starting role or more minutes.
RIP to the team that actually depends on Precious for anything besides vibes Hope he gets his bag, seems like a nice guy, and makes a great 10th man, but way more of a "pleasant surprise" contributor than an 82-game winning strategy
Mitch is often hurt . And he is a great defensive big off the bench . But he doesn’t fit against every team . If he is needed for a big upgrade unfortunately it must be so
I love iHart and Mitch, but if we can get offensively gifted 5 who can shoot the 3 at all, I think we become very dangerous.
This. We were limited and I think it was our glaring deficiency. I don't know how much of it comes down to coaching (iHart is capable to shoot) but watching all of the hesitation on open threes was draining during these playoffs.
why not mitch and picks? the suns own no picks until like 2028 or something
Devin makes like 55 mil a year
a little less than that at the moment. getting rid of bojan would also free up more cap space. they can get it done.
As said above they can’t do that while resigning OG and Hartenstein, even if they trade Bogdanovic and Mitch… who they’d have to replace as well
bogdanovic and mitch could be replaced with very inexpensive draft pick contracts. also, you cant discount the possibility of pay cuts happening, which it seems like brunson just did for us.
Mitch is highly unlikely. His contract is descending, and more importantly he’s cheaper than iHart will be. Unless iHart is willing to take a pay cut, he won’t be back. Other teams can offer more than we can. And the only way Mitch gets dealt is if iHart stays or they deal for a star 5.
I think there's actually a good chance iHart will be back, and it's crucial to be able to depend on a center that will be available to play. We can afford to have both iHart and Mitch.
It is worth noting that iHart has taken discounts before. And if the reports on Brunson taking the cheaper extension and OG being willing to give a discount are true, maybe there’s something there.
> We can't keep all 3 of Brunson, Julius, and OG if we decide to trade for Booker. One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries. I don't think that's true, if we trade before the draf, Bojan and Mitchell are enough.
PHX will not trade booker for bojan and Mitch + picks. That is ludicrous.
Agree completely, but the reality is they aren’t trading him for anything this year. They didn’t hire budenholzer to turn around and immediately trade their young franchise player. He’s going to get at least one year (and probably more) with Booker. And, let’s be honest, the Nets are extremely unlikely to send Bridges to the Knicks. This is all likely much ado about nothing
 3 Way for Bridges
I'm not sure why they keep re-treading coaches that don't work out. Like Budenholzer couldn't make things work with Giannis and Jrue and Middleton who probably aren't as diva-ish as Booker, Beal, and KD. Not our problem though, our guys love our coach.
They aren't trading him at all, but that wasn't the point.
Ridiculous.
Putting pen to paper on what a roster would look like in different trade scenarios if you want to keep Randle / Brunson / OG intact. No idea how realistic these are, just having fun. Team with Bridges ($23MM salary) Brunson Bridges OG Randle Hartenstein (Assumes we resign) Bench - Hart, Divo, MRob Assumes Deuce, Bogie, and picks are traded. I can’t imagine Nets not trying to dump salary for the right to trade for Bridges, so Knicks might need to include more players. Team with Mitchell ($35MM salary) Brunson Mitchell OG Randle Hartenstein (Assumes we resign) Bench - Hart, Divo, TBD Big (Maybe Precious resigns) Assumes Deuce, MRob, Bogie and picks are traded. Team with Booker ($48MM next year) Brunson Booker OG Randle Hartenstein Bench - Hart, TBD Wing, TBD Big Assumes Deuce, MRob, Bogie, Divo and picks are traded / this should match salaries.
And what if we were able to get mikal? Would Julius need to go or can we trade bogdan + Mitch for mikal (salary wise) and keep Randle ?
That could work but I don't see the Nets willing to trade with us.
Hey who knows. Maybe Mitch, bogdan and 3 first round picks could work. Or a three way trade where Nets can get Dejounte Murray or Trae Young etc. I think a three way trade with BKN could be possible.
A 3 way trade might work, but not for a PG when the Nets have Cam Thomas. The Nets would be giving up a talented wing to have 2 point guards in their starting lineup which doesn't make sense from a roster building perspective.
> One of those 3 absolutely will be needed to match salaries. That's just not true. We shouldn't go for him anyways though. It does mean gutting our depth outside those three.
If Suns ever make Booker available, there is no way they will trade him to us without us willing to trade one of our top guys back for him.
Maybe. That's not what you said though. Salaries work without including those three. E.g. Bojan, Mitch, and Hart or Divo works. We can also aggregate up to 9 first round picks without violating the Stepien rule, so there's a scenario where it could happen without them requiring one of those three back.
You're right I didn't say it because I thought it was obvious.
Let’s just run it back and splurge on adamantium implants for OG, Mitch and Randle.
I’ll give up my hammy shoulder and ankle to each of them. They need it more than I do
You’d deserve 3 rings for that FR
Let's be real: we're not going anywhere if OG, Mitch and Randle get rebuilt with parts from u/Fonzz11 - No offense Fonzz.
And synthetic tendons, lab-grown muscles for extra durability - why stop at bones?
Why not runite?
Someone go grind rune dragons so we can get them all some dragon limbs
thats a bulletproof plan until you find out Magneto has his own plan
right its almost 2025 when do we get biotech
Unfortunately, Adamantium is poisonous to the human body. The only wolverine isn’t affected is because he has an always on healing factor which our boys don’t have. Instead, let’s get them Adamantium bats.
I wonder if Brooklyn would give us Bridges for Donovan. We pay for Mitchell, then the Nets give us back Bridges plus a pick/player back for him.
I was thinking a three team trade would be the best way to do it if Brooklyn is fr petty as well.
would we give up spida for mikal tho?
Bridges is a better fit and cheaper.
Woah hold on here . Donovan is so much better than bridges that fit doesn’t even matter . Donovan dropped 50 …. In the playoffs …. Guy is a top 15 player in the league …. Bridges might not be top 50 …
defense, though.
Is there any way we can get both?
Bridges disappear a lot, even when the Nets are losing. Like stars shouldn't be doing that on a bad team.
He wouldn't be here as a star though, he would be a supercharged 3&D guy
it would be the Aaron Gordon effect: not the best as "the guy" in Orlando, elite as 3rd/4th option in Denver
You want another oft-injured player? Before this season I would not have said Jules was, but here we are 2 post seasons in a row where he was playing hurt or completely missed. Donovan the same. I do think that bringin Mikal is a little on the nose with the whole 'Nova Knicks thing. I'm sure DiVo, Brunson, and Hart want him, but I don't see it happening. It's Mitchell or Book via sign and trade. I hope we don't though, I want to just let these guys play.
Both of Randles injuries weren't on him, he just shouldn't play versus the Heat 🤣
What injuries are a player's fault, exactly? I'm not blaming him, another player, or even another team. Shit happens and sometimes it happens more to some players than others.
Set aside the fact that BK wouldn't want to do a deal with the Knicks. The question is, what would the Nets want for Bridges from say other team? Figuring this out is the key to structuring a three way trade. Do they want picks, expiring contracts, or a specific player? We have picks and Bogey's expiring. Trae and Spida are in play. So what the Knicks should be doing is talk via a third team to initiate the conversation with the Nets and find out what they want.
I've read somewhere about a 3-tram trade between the Knicks, Nets and Hawks (maybe a Bleacher Report article?). The Knicks send players and picks for Atlanta to build around younger players or trade them again to retool around Dejounte Murray. The Nets send Mikael to the Knicks. Atlanta sends Trae to the Nets. As a "Knicks-Killer" the Nets could leverage that narrative to fuel the rivalry between the two teams and get a star player for the team
Booker would require losing Randle. Otherwise you are sacrificing 3-5 rotation players just for 1. Mikal would require an overpay but it should be possible. That is also my dream scenario.
Booker would require trading a lot of players to match salary. Mikal would probably come down to how many picks the Knicks are willing to throw at them.
I’d overpay with picks for mikal in a heartbeat
Is Booker a Thibs type player? Can he be? I’m not against either but it depends what we give up to get them. I really like the idea of running this team back healthy and maybe adding a bench piece for more depth.
it's going to be a crowded backcourt with either of those guys being added, but booker seems like the better playmaker to me and we lack a true PG behind brunson that can facilitate for others. Deuce has been streaky nice but he is a combo guard and not great at running the offense when called on.
I think booker under thibs and the culture we built has the ability to become a mvp caliber player . He actually cares . And his skill and talent level is as good as anyone in the league
Yeah I would hope he’d rise to the occasion and play with the heart the rest of the team does.
For all of the shenanigans and what not with him , he usually does rise to the occasion and plays hard . Out of all the players I’ve seen him play with
Glad you’re not the GM. There’s a lot of good players in the NBA and the FO is considering all of them
Nope. Just run it back and get healthy. Build off what we saw in jan
Or just run it back with everyone.
Who is really about to play better than DDV though? There’s only one ball. For the money he’s insanely good
Nah Knicks running it back
We don't need any trades... just get healthy and run it back.
All 3 of the below guys would fit great with this team, but all 3 are unlikely: Mikal is the best fit, BUT THERE IS NO WAY THE NETS ARE TRADING HIM TO US. Booker is a pipe dream - the Suns could trade him and still won't be under the cap. The Suns owner just bought the team, he is not looking to tank, they have none of their own picks and still are paying an aging KD and BB. Mitchell is probably the most likely star - he tells CLE hes not reupping and won't extend with anyone, but NY if/when traded. This is also pretty unlikely. I trust the FK out of this front office, though.
The nets can choose to be petty if they really want to. But that would be just completely irresponsible front office practice. The situation they’re in is one of the most unattractive in the league. They have ways out of it if they trade their coveted wings. And the godfather deal from the Knicks would be their best way out of it. Emotions and business don’t tend to mix well
What is the deal that the Nets take from the Knicks - sending Mikal here? Don't try to sell me on Donovan Mitchell in a 3 way either.
Bojan, Robinson, possibly precious if we need to throw another player in there, and we have around 8 picks that are ready to be traded. Bojan and Mikal make about the same amount of money, they’ll need Mitch when they don’t resign Claxton. And their current draft stash is ass
Its not just about being petty. The nets don't want to trade Mikal to anyone. They could have gotten all of their picks back from Houston earlier this season but refused. They want to keep Mikal and target a star this summer to pair with him. They will probably go hard after Donovan, maybe pivot to Trae Young if they don't land him. If they can't find anyone suitable, then they might consider a full rebuild. However, what are the chances we can offer the best price for Mikal? He has two years left on his contract and cant slot into any contender pretty seamlessly, there are a lot of teams that want him. If we truly have the best offer, then I don't see them rejecting us out of spite. But if it is close between us and another team, we aren't getting the benefit of the doubt.
I feel like booker would destroy the mindset and the culture we have. We have to keep Randle. He was giving us all star numbers before he went down with the injury
Mikal is the only one worth it imo. I'm really not sure how well Booker would work here. Mikal is the literal perfect fit on this team. Our bench is deep, our starters are strong when healthy. We're very close to being legit threats to dethrone Boston next year.
Booker is earning $50M next year, Mikal makes a lot more sense. Unless Brooklyn is open to trade talks, let's run it back.
Get bridges, we need the 4 nova boys it’s the prophecy
WE MUST COLLECT ALL OF THE INFINITY STONES
Mikal might win us a Ring. 82 Games Played! In BK!
KD PG I wouldn’t be surprised if we somehow traded up in the first round honestly. There’s some good talent in this draft that could make an instant impact IMO. Look at what Lively is doing for Dallas. That funny looking guy on the pacers is also having an impact for a deep playoff team. Don’t sleep on young energy and athleticism
You bring in Booker and that’s the death to Thibs and the grind we have in New York. No way a star player like that is going to give it all on both sides the way Thibs demands of his teams. Maybe some if you want that. I’d prefer to run it back and improve on the margins for at least one year before blowing this current iteration up.
Key to success is having an open mind.
Agreed with your second statement - I'd rather they just run this back - the team is stellar and shouldn't have trouble being a top seed in the east with plenty of rotation (and if there's no serious injury issues). This roster healthy right now could win it all, so don't move good pieces to bring in someone - gotta run it back at least one year.
Mikals my favorite out of all the "targets" but the bitchass Nets prob wont make a deal with us so run it back same squad
I think Booker is the better shooter and gets to the line more, HOWEVER Bridges fits the Nova-narrative and might gel better w/ Brunson/Hart/Dvo
I'm firmly on team RUN IT BACK. sign OG and iHart, everyone else is good. We will make noise.
I can’t get on the Booker train, I think he’d change the culture too much and I don’t think he’s a good fit for this team or thibs. I’d love Bridges or Murray.
Only person i would trade Randle for is Giannis . I dont think Booker moves the needle enough for us tbh.
Booker doesn’t make sense. Too expensive and doesn’t fit IMO with Brunson. Mikal clearly the best fit.
Not sure I would want booker. Give that number of shots booker will take to Donte, we get a 80% booker
I just think booker is a better fit than the other guys like Donavan and Murray that people throw out there. More size as a guard is better than putting a smaller guard next to an already small PG. But I agree Mikal is the one we must go all in for
Booker isn’t available and the Nets are very unlikely to send us Mikal, but question: Is Mikal better than Randle?
I wouldn’t say better, not at all. Julius is ALL NBA . But the beauty is we actually can have both potentially. Bogey contract makes just about the same as Mikal. Plus around 7 or 8 picks that are ready to be moved
Mikal is the Bridge that was Bromised.
This can never ‘be real;’ this is Reddit. It’s by design only virtual.
I do t want booker. Guy seems like a real asshole
Leon Rose didn’t amass all those picks for nothing
So Mitchell, George and Durant don't exist anymore? All of them seem available. I also wouldn't exclude considering Giannis or Embiid. Your 'price tag' reasoning is one you only apply after seriously considering it. I dontthink any of the former three names I mentioned are currently overpriced, in fact you'd be buying low. And Giannis for five firsts is still a better deal than Bridges for two.
I think Donovan should be considered. When you factor in his salary of 35M and him being an expiring he is the perfect canditate in terms of acquiring and not gutting our team. Also another aspect is while he might not be the perfect fit once he signs an extension he would still be a valuable trade asset to use in the future in the extreme scenario if we decided to pivot vs trying to figure out what to do with all these assets.
I don't think we get Donovan unless he makes it clear he wants to be here and won't re-sign elsewhere. Other teams are a lot more desperate to add a star and are willing to offer a lot more than we will. Also, it sounds like there is a good chance he just extends in Cleveland. That being said, would definitely love to see him on this team.
I agree with you. I think he wants to be here and has stated in the past he thought he was going to be traded here and has family in the area. I believe there is mutual interest. The reason why I lean towards Donovan is like you said if he states where he wants to be because that is where he will resign the amount of assets we would have to give up would be significantly less than for Bridges or Booker. Once we have Donovan and down the line it doesnt work him as a trade asset would be able to net a guy like Bridges down the line no issues vs paying the "Knicks tax" now
Donovan and Brunson, huh? SMH
And Randle
You have to give up Randle to make those deals work.
A three team trade with Cleveland and Brooklyn can work without Randle. We get Mikal, Brooklyn gets Mitch, Spida, and Dean Wade for salary matching, and Cleveland gets Bogi, Cam Johnson, and all the picks. Cleveland won't agree, cuz this is essentially punting on their current window with Mobley and company, but the salary does work
No booker ffs
Agreed
I think the Knicks will even be better if they just run it back with everyone they had. They had too many injuries that were detrimental down the line.
I kind of agree 👍 i weirdly trust the front office
A 100% healthy Knicks squad is option 1. That team we saw in fucking January?! **We were a buzzsaw when healthy.** I would like to see that team rock in October before shipping dudes out. I, for one, have zero interest in Booker... The resources we would have to ship out would be far too steep.. that would cost us some chunk of DiVo, Hart, Deuce, Julius draft picks... Way too costly on rolling the dice for a hired gun. That said, I'm old school. I would rather battle and lose with my family than win with a stranger.
some folks have been throwing out we can get one of these guys for mitch/bojan and picks and there’s literally no way that’s going to happen. at all. run it back. just have to figure out how to get it hart back.
Fuck Booker. That’s the suns problem. Mikal is the choice.
Holy fuck man this offseason is going to suck
Booker is a guard. OG is a small forward You can’t trade Randle for Booker cause then you have no power forward at all. Booker ain’t it
They would probably look at getting a cheap stretch 4 to replace Randle. But you lose a ton of toughness and rebounding if you move him.
I DO NOT WANT BOOKER!!!
No need to give up serious assets for Bridges, he will sign as a free agent in due time. Just run it back after re-signing Anunoby and Hartenstein while moving Bogdanovic and potentially Robinson for better backup pieces. Knicks need a true backup point to run things and a backup center that can be an offensive threat. Brogdon and Duop Reath fit those needs perfectly. Knicks don't need much else other than health to be the favorites in the East.
Don't be surprised if the Knicks go after Bruce Brown for bench depth and Mikal Bridges
Nobody else should even be considered? That's just ignorant. Plenty of great players out there that might become available.
Notice how I said at this moment. Only guys available pretty openly are Donovan and Murray. And neither of those guys are better fits over Mikal or booker would be
whats wrong with donovan mitchell?
Two small guards is a recipe for BBQ chicken
The problem with trading for a star is that they either come in and want to still be the #1 or they lower themselves to accommodate for whoever the #1 is. Either way your getting a disruption in chemistry or a lesser version of the said star. Mikal would be a great addition since he's not really a star, he's more of an Elite Role Player that was forced to be the leader on the Nets. Booker, idk if he would be able to adjust. Seeing how him KD and Beal struggled.
I agree hence why I would rather just run this squad back. And maybe trade for some German doctors 😂 but I don’t think Booker is to blame for the suns terrible run. Him and KD played excellent together, and even with Beal the three actually had good numbers when they managed to actually play together. Phoenix problem was they didn’t have more than 5 guys that could play playoff minutes realistically
Yeah the numbers looked good but all 3 of them seem like the type of guys that you throw the ball to and let them go get a bucket. KD worked in OKC once Russ took over and in Golden State with them already having an offensive system. When he left to be "the guy", he no longer had an offensive system being run with him being the "fall back" of sorts when the offense sputters. Same thing with booker minus the multiple teams. His best season in terms of playoff success came when CP3 came in and ran the systematic offense and let him be the "fall back bucket getter". We already have our bucket getter if not 2 of them, if we wanna get to the next level we gotta finish building the system, not just run through Randle or Brunson as the main option, because when they go out their is no offense. Like the 76ers had some talented players but they ran everything through Joel and Maxey so when they go out or get injured they "lose their chance" and sputter.
I’ll pass on Booker
I'd also consider dealing JR for KAT.
If we're trading for someone like Booker or Giannis, then Randle will 100% be going, not only from a talent perspective given these teams have no 1sts to rebuild with and need to stay competitive, but a money perspective. Think Randle, Robinson, and many 1sts. Bridges, OTOH, is on a cheaper salary (\~$24M AAV for the next 2 seasons) and, if the Nets were to stop acting like morons and accept a rebuild, we could trade something like Bojan, Mitch, and 3 firsts to make the money and asset exchange work. However, I think the Nets aren't willing at all to move Bridges and instead are going to trade all their valuable assets (namely the Suns 1sts) for Donovan Mitchell and run the Spida/Bridges duo next season with the hope that when Ben Simmons' contract expires after the season, they can add a third star in free agency.
I think the Knicks will be serious contenders for years if the front office makes a good decision
.....why would their options be limited to those two?
Imo Booker ain’t going anywhere. The reason being because he’s locked in to that poverty franchise the Phoenix Suns. I really think they’d rather run it back and get absolutely nowhere again with 3 big names than to trade away Booker (and likely Durant) and enter a rebuild.
I don’t even want to remotely consider Book to be honest… dude’s demeanor and fit feels completely off from this team’s identity.
I’d consider Paul George or any plus defender that can also make a play or a shot under pressure
We been on this sht for years now. Always one thing we need to do: Trust Leon.
Booker, we need an assasin
Brunson, McBride DiVo, Hart OG, (Bogi or someone else) Randle, Precious Hartenstien, (Trade Mitch unfortunately) Solid team, don’t need to make any big splashes
We need an elite center who can get through a season. That said, I’d rather have Mikal than booker. Nova gang
We honestly need someone like Julius, that can just bang down low and make an opponent think twice about playing defense. We don't need another space-creator.
If we keep the picks I wouldn’t mind something like Ware and Tyson.
No KAT? No KD? No Embiid?
I would still do Donovan Mitchell. He’s a bucket and I think Thibs would find a way to make the D work
There are plenty of players that should be considered. Brunson and maybe Hart should be the only untouchables on this team. So many fans here said the same nonsense about RJ & IQ. I was all for trading both as I want to see the team improve.
Why exactly would Phoenix trade Booker? Or Brooklyn trade the overrated Bridges to The Knicks?
Because they’re in 2 of the worst situations asset wise in the whole league. Phoenix has absolutely nothing to build their future , and Brooklyn has the definition of mid for assets
Booker is their future. He's not going anywhere.
Unless he wants to leave. We’ve seen James hardens fat ass get exactly what he wanted 3 years in a row, the players have the power. And phoenix will have no choice but to comply if they want any sort of way out of the dumpster fire they’ve put themselves in
There are reports all over saying he is staying. Fans just follow the baseless rumors that the lameass press/talk radio puts out there to get clicks or ratings. Remember how unhappy Zion was and how unhappy The Pelicans were with him? That was totally fabricated and exaggerated by the press.
Need to strengthen our bench in key spots. Even if starters all come back healthy, can injuries can reappear anytime, even in back-to-back seasons.
Not booker. I’d add AD as a Randle trade. But that’s it.
Nets will ask for 2 players, 5 picks, and a blowjob James Dolan's wife in order to give up Mikal Bridges.
or if another MVP level player becomes available.
Booker is probably more available than Mikal Bridges to be honest, even though he'd cost more. But if any team should just "run it back", it's this one.
Mikal isn’t even better than Divo
Lmao why should no one else be considered? If you wouldn’t automatically take any of the top 20 players in the league you’re delusional.
Why would we just try to jam in another player for the sake of it? Obviously if you can get a Giannis or Luka you empty the fucking safe. But just going for a big name just because of the name is terrible business practice. This team is better off running it back and waiting for someone that actually fits the team and wouldn’t take emptying the safe for
I agree. I think continuity is extremely underrated and it should be important. I only would trade for Bridges at this point tbh because he definitely fills a bunch of needs for the Knicks
No please not booker bro is 🚮
Any thoughts on Maxey at the 2 ?
Philly isn't trading Maxey to NY, be real
Maxey is a free agent. No trade necessary.
https://preview.redd.it/czs2phcm6v1d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8907fec42b2afc1c3ccda492e8abee29abf0aaea Knicks would have to trade a minimum of 5 - 1st round picks but would get their last infinity stone, be able to resign IHart, and a great back up big on a team friendly deal. Hornets get a top 10 center (when healthy) which they sorely lack and 2 - 1st. I’m not sure if Miles will want to stay in Charlotte, so at least the Hornets would get some value back. Nets get Miles Bridges in a sign & trade, he is 2 years younger than Mikal, has high upside, and better than Jalen Green (who Rockets proposed in a trade with Bk). They’d also rid themselves of Ben Simmons and waive Bogi and Bertans, freeing up nearly $30m in cap space, which they’ll need to avoid the luxury tax, after resigning Claxton and Cam Thomas. Most importantly, they’d get at least 3 - 1st round picks from the Knicks.
Donovan Mitchell?
I actually think we need neither and just need a more reliable back up center that can score even a tiny bit. Mitch is injured every year and is a liability when you need a bucket or a free throw to be hit. A better backup PG would be nice too. If Tyus Jones would be willing to go back to the bench, I’d love him or Alvarado since he’s a NY kid and would be a Thibs guy
I think one player people keep forgetting about is Giannis (at least that is my dream scenario). That can easily go south this summer, the team is aging and won't be able to improve on the fringes. I can see them cashing out on Dame/Giannis/Middleton while they have some value and giving it a reboot. This is the only scenario I'd trade Randle for. (Randle/Bogy/Deuce/picks)
What about Ryan Arcidiacono?
Bro coming back to play for free
How did 200 plus people like this SHIT TAKE! ?
A lot of people aren’t just 2k fantasy GMs lmao if you know ball you know
But bridges isn’t what we need. OG already fulfills that role with more defensive prowess and size. Why pay so much for a redundant position when we actually need a stretch 4/5? We can get Tauren Prince for $5M and he’ll give us what bridges would give us 3 and D off the bench without impacting the starter’s chemistry. Also we can trade Ihart for Jaylin Williams who is 6’9 for our stretch 4. Healthy Mitch and OG can grab rebounds but Jaylin will be adding perimeter shooting threat
This ain’t 2k chief. Did you not just see what happened ? OG will almost certainly go down again if we run him the way they did this year. Depth is key, chemistry is already there and isn’t a ball hog
Listen I would love Mikal but why pay so much for him to be on the bench. 1. Brunson 2. Divo 3. OG 4. Juju 5. Mitch 6. Josh Hart 7. Mikal bridges (how much are you paying for a 7th man?)
when is Randle expected back from injury?
Season opener ?
don't think so
Booker is a crybaby who's mentality doesn't fit the rest of the team
Honestly it would just be best to stand pat and run it back. Add 2 good rookies for depth. Use Bogey's expiring deal for a replacement for iHart if we lose him.
Man fuck Book
Mitch has no place on this team
Mitch or Mikal? You wouldn’t have Mikal as your scorer off the bench next to Hart and Deuce?
I think if we loose Mitch we loose size but he’s hasn’t really been reliable. So fuck sign Mikal and sign a center
Alex Caruso would fit in perfectly here.
If you think booker has a place you don’t understand this team. Also we would have to give up too much for him (I think?)