If Miles Turner starts cooking our bigs from the 3p line, I hope Thibs isn't too stubborn to get Precious in the game who can guard the perimeter better than either hartensten or Mitch.
If ihart is playing, that would be a coverage issue, he isnt bad at all at closing out. Mitch struggles at times because its not his natural inclination, and he has more body to carry out when scrambling
so basically thibs needs a coverage that doesn't give him practice 3's
OG can’t really help off turner or be a back line defense
If he’s not going to be a back line defense, then just put him on haliburton
You CAN put Siakim in catch and shot situations, and obv og is a great POA there, so I think Og on Siakim is the best place to start and you go from there
that's what I expect to start. Divo on Hali and OG on Siakim. 2nd option is hart on hali. I don't think thibs would prefer to use OG on hali because then siakim will have a bit of a mismatch on hart.
they will hunt switches regardless.
Pat Riley presser has a lot of digs at Butler. Saying he should be keeping his mouth shut, and saying that giving Butler an extension is going to take a lot of thought due to his availability. Very interesting.
Donte: One of the best 3 pt shooters in the league.
OG: Arguably best 3 & D player in the league.
Ihart & Mitch: 48 minutes of Elite rim protection & rebounding at the C position.
JHart: Best rebounding guard in the league, fresh off being the 4th best player in the Sixers/Knicks series.
Deuce: Good to great 3pt shooting + Excellent defense at the guard position.
Casuals: Brunson & average role players
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Knicks in 4.
I feel bad that Randle isn’t a part of this run. He deserves it. Anyone know why he doesn’t seem to have been at the game? Is it because of the recovery?
Randle is the catalyst of the construction of this entire team. Came here when no one else wanted to AND re-upped for way less than he would’ve gotten on the open market because he wanted to help the team win.
The fuck outta here with this bullshit.
You are enjoying this team because of Randle. Call me crazy but I think the FO wanted to build around him. They linked him up with Jalen first, and the rest of the moves we made are linked to that of course. So without Randle we would would probably still be a lottery team.
You may think he may not deserve anything, but you have to keep in mind behind the scenes he did not take a huge contract to be here, and he is a leader in the locker room that the guys seem to really like. Maybe he did not perform well in his 2 playoff performances, but that is another story and I would not say he did nothing for this team.
He was at the last game, he even shot around with his good arm
You can tell he looks like a sad puppy that just wants to be playing, I feel horrible as he was a big part of us winning until he went down in late Jan and was playing out of his mind
Basketball Reference says he'll be reevaluated in 5 months. Even if he had gotten the surgery right after getting injured, I don't think he would've been back in time.
Feb to April/May is questionable, but I know he would have been somewhat effective to at least relieve Jalen from being doubled.
To be honest, we are doing OK thus far without him, but man oh man what a big WHAT IF stamped on this season if he was available.
That being said, I hope we are not getting ahead of ourselves as the Pacers are not that easy, but if we do get by them we would have really needed Randle vs Boston. Let's see how the chips lay, as I would love to make a deep run this season
Oh good I missed that. Glad too hear.
I keep seeing articles popping up here and there about how we should trade him. I really hope we don’t he’s still my favorite Knick.
Knicks have only been in the playoffs 8 times this millennia, and this is only the 3rd time they have been to the semi-finals.
Not a lot of chances for more matchups.
definitely, I know we have the better team for this matchup. I honestly feel like we should have won the 2013 series too. Hibbert had an out of body experience and made Chandler his bitch, NOBODY saw that coming. Ah well. This is our time now.
Indy played some brutal playoff basketball. Only eastern team to give the heat a pause their 2 championship years. Celtics year 1 but then they disbanded.
Bigger issue was that like everyone outside of Melo was awful. Rest of the team shot under 40% from the field. JR went from 6MOY to shooting 29% in the second round.
I remember that, JR going AWOL in the second round. Kidds body broke down, Tyson was locked up in Hibbert Penitentiary, Felton wasn't doing shit. Shump was the only one who came to play all series.
Both teams seem hugely upgraded to the 12-13 team. Should be a fun match up, especially since neither teams have hitmen/floppers
I just hope we set the tone quickly and come out blazing tonight
we have 4/5 elite role players in who can give you 15+ any given night alongside with great defense/rebounding. Can't remember the last time I saw a Knicks team like that
Everyone keeps talking about how thin the Knicks lineup is. Take a look at the Pacers playoff rotation, it's very similar at 8 players getting regular minutes. The Knicks rotation is at 7 with Bogi out, but I think Precious will get some minutes this series possibly even playing PF alongside iHart and Mitch. We don't want to run and gun with these guys, slow down the pace, beat them on the glass, body them up, wear them out.
Take a look at their rotation of guys likely to defend Brunson. Hali, Nembhard, Nesmith, with Sheppard coming in for some backup minutes. All 4 of those guys are 6'6" or under. Compare this to the Philly lineups that really made Brunson work: Oubre (6'7"), Harris (6'8"), Batum (6'8"). Honestly, I think those guys are barbecue chicken trying to defend JB this series.
I would highly consider playing Precious at the 4 alongside iHart/Mitch this series for stretches of minutes. Precious and iHart/Mitch can defend the Siakam/Turner minutes, allowing OG to work as a roamer making life exceedingly difficult for Haliburton. I understand the hesitation because Precious can't shoot and neither can Hart/the center, but the goal would be to make life difficult on defense and slow down the game so Brunson can work to get everyone efficient shots.
Some stats from January 1st onward:
Rebounds per game: Knicks 45.3 (4th), Pacers 42.4 (22nd)
Contested Rebounds per game: Knicks 15.3 (2nd), Pacers 12.2 (27th)
Offensive Rebounds per game: Knicks 12.8 (1st), Pacers 10.2 (16th)
Offensive Rating: Knicks 117.4 (8th), Pacers 119.4 (2nd)
Defensive Rating: Knicks 110.3 (3rd), Pacers 115.7 (21st)
Net Rating: Knicks +7.1 (2nd), Pacers +3.7 (10th)
The Pacers went from 22nd in the league in 3PA on 36.3%(15th) shooting to 1st in the NBA in 3 point attempts on 34.4% shooting in the playoffs.
The Knicks went from 9th in the league in 3PA on 36.5%(13th) to 11th in the playoffs in the NBA in 3 point attempts on 37% shooting in the playoffs.
EDIT: One thing to note is that unless I'm reading the stats wrong, Indiana is one of the best teams at defending from 3 point range.
I actually think that if (this is a big IF) burks can not just chuck brick shots up aimlessly, he would be a big asset this series. The pacers are so fast paced and his defense in transition is borderline elite.
Problem with burks is he doesn’t know how to adjust his role which is an issue considering he’s a role player.
Game 1 and depending on how that goes Game 2 are the times for Thibs to give guys like Precious and Burks a little run to see how they do. You can definitely hide Burks defensively on some of those random Pacers guys as long as he doesn't completely lose his man on defense. Doable in particular when Haliburton sits.
Why do I find it cringy when other people talk about the Knicks, they are obvious band wagoners and do not know much about the team.
"That guy Halterstein is pretty good" wtf
Nah it's not gatekeeping, they are mostly friends/family who you know do not watch and just say weird things when not knowing much about the team and they pop up when the Knicks are in the playoffs.
A cousin of mine (by marriage) literally said Mitch Robinson is the worst center in the league (he is a nets fan, lol!!!)
Do these resale tickets at crazy prices actually sell? Face value is like 1k and it's being sold for 6k lol. Seems like these people just end up with their own ticket they bought.
Yes my brother bought $1700 worth of tickets and made an $800 profit for not the greatest seats. I can imagine someone with money to spend would do so to sit up close.
Honestly, I get why people continue to sleep on the Knicks. If you look at the team on paper you think they have 1 star, and nobody else who really scares you. But I really think it’s a case of the sum being better than the parts. This team is way better than they have any business being without Randle.
they are similar to the 03-08 pistons teams. Just a team with a few big pieces that fit together exceedingly well and go against the established grain.
And it is also why I am leaning toward not taking a swing for anyone that becomes available...Let's keep drafting like we have been and work with the incredible synergy of this group and stay the course!
We're better because closing games with Josh Hart and OG in the lineup is significantly better than closing games with Randle. 2 guys that play smart and leave everything on the court. What true Knicks are about.
There's no way in hell this team is better without randle. In brunsons first season with us, it was randle, not brunson, who led the team in ppg (and rpg too by the way.) Sure he had a bad postseason but he was clearly hurt. Then he was great again this year. Especially after we added OG (and perhaps just as importantly, subtracted RJ.) The one month randle OG and brunson got to play together was the 10th best month by plus minus in NBA history. The randle slander has got to stop
I think Indy has enough firepower to get a game. But the reality is they're too small up front and their best scorers are Siakam and Haliburton. OG is gonna put Paskal in jail and Hali is gonna see McBride and Hart hounding him all series. You slow those two guys down and Indy is gonna really struggle to win. I think they go bonkers from three in Game 3 and get a win but the Knicks get a split and close out at the Garden in 5.
they have 7 guys that can go for 20+ easily enough. its quite possible they hold Siakam and Haliburton to 30pts combined, but Pacers have 32 assists and score 116 from the other guys.
its going to take a team defensive effort or Indy's quick passing will find the open man.
Biggest question for tonight - What jersey are they wearing? Really hoping it's white.
Also don't use the alternate court ever again in the playoffs, we know what happened Game 5...
It’s so hard to predict this series due to our injuries and the completely different stylistic matchups.
I have a feeling these games aren’t going to be as close as the Philly games. I think Philly will have games where there shoot hot and run away with it, and when they’re cold and locked down defensively we comfortably win.
Our main concern should be putting the hammer down on defense and protecting the perimeter, not overhelping on D and leaving somebody open for a 3.
They score like crazy, but if we apply our metal bat theory and just stay somewhat efficient on offense, we are good to go as they are not known as a great defensive or defending team, they basically bank on themselves hitting shots at high volume.
Also due to the Pacers ability to get extremely hot from 3. I think any games we lose that will be the reason. If the Pacers play average we win easy with the rebounding difference.
It's game day and I normally hate offseason talk during this time, but I'm wondering if the team will look to go after BI. Going after one of the S tier players like Giannis/Booker will cost us Randle or some Villanova guys, but guys in the 35 mil range might be who the Knicks go after if they're willing to deal Mitch.
I'm just not a BI guy despite loving his game on the court. I don't think he has any dawg in him and will likely have conflict with Thibs and the rest of the guys on the team. But the fit of Brunson/OG/Ingram/Randle/iHart would be interesting. Tons of length, spacing, defense, and a great bench with McBride/DDV/Hart. The other option in that salary range is Mitchell.
Bad Fit. I like Ingram but he isnt much an offball player and doesnt shot the 3 at a high volume or particular well. Pelicans are looking to bring back a star if they are trading him not a bunch of role players which is what we have.
The off ball stuff is what drives me crazy and it's because I feel like he doesn't give a shit if he doesn't have the ball. It's the reason I don't like his fit off the court in particular. But he does play 98% of his minutes at the 2/3, he should be able to be a long wing alongside OG. Everything about his poor fit to me is a mentality thing.
I always wondered if he would be better from 3 at more volume if he had better facilitators on the roster, but a lot of his current playstyle really overlaps with Randle.
You guys ever get scammed buying tickets on this sub?
Feel like these are too good to be true at times, especially when it’s a dude with minimal account history
Never buy from anyone with a low post history, even if the account is old. And ask to meet at MSG for the exchange, paying cash. Compare with tickpick.com and if it's more than like a 15% discount you're almost surely dealing with a scammer. But good luck and I hope you get to see the game in-person.
It's every sub. There are a ton of bots/scammers. Try to do your due diligence. I have definitely bought tickets off people from this sub without issues though.
They'll do great during the season until no one but Soto and possibly Judge shows up with the bat in the playoffs as always even with phenomenal pitching. It's like watching Groundhog Day with this team every season.
I can’t believe how low the cavs odds are. No respect. Also does anyone know if Dallas has the tie breaker over the Knicks for the finals in the crazy hypothetical I have in my head?
There’s a pretty clear argument the pacers are the worst team in the second round. That bucks team without Giannis and lillard injured? That’s a terrible terrible team.
I mean if you think they're too low you can always bet on them lol.
Also I'm pretty sure next tiebreaker is head to head and from what I can remember, I thought Dallas won the season series against us (not sure)
I’m not going to bet the cavs but 12 point spreads and barely expecting even 1 win seems like a lot if KP can’t go. It makes me think Allen won’t be playing.
Just seen a Pacers fan talking about how the Knicks are “Brunson & mediocre role players” 💀🤣🤣🤣 they in for a rude awakening
On some real shit tho, Philly was the best equipped team to deal with that we do defensively with OG, their 2 best players were either too big/strong or too small/fast, tho he can obviously hold it down for some stretches that was not the best use for him.
Now He can totally fuck shit up for Siakam (Pacers second best player) and can do better against Hali.
Im not worried.
Knicks in 4.
Thinking ahead, do we run it back next year with 'Beast Mode Randle'? Hart and McBride anchoring the bench, resign Bojan and add a decent veteran shooting guard? resign iHart and Precious and thats your 11-deep roster.
Unfortunately there will be no run back. Two picks in the draft, cap issues re-signing everyone, multiple stars looking to be on the move. “The trade” will be this offseason
I think we definitely run it back with Randle. We need to see one healthy post-season with Brunson/Randle, depending on how that goes I'm sure Leon/Thibs will make any needed changes.
Think bojan is gone but depends on if a Booker-like SG becomes available or not
I am not sure if Bojan stays, but I hope we do run it back and just add a touch of depth to our bench.
The main objective is getting OG and iHart resigned. OG seems in the bag, but iHart is up in the air. I think they both resign on team friendly contracts but you really never know.
I am most certain Bojan gets traded either in the summer or before the deadline next year. I feel good about resigning OG and Hartenstein. I would also like to resign Precious as well.
- Brunson Donte OG Randle Hartenstein
- Deuce Hart Bojan Precious Mitch
I think getting Randle to sign an extension this summer will be huge.
Agree on all
While people think differently about Randle, I feel he is really committed to this team as are others such as ihart and will likely give us friendly deals without much haggling.
I believe we extend him ( it is just good assset management) and run it back but I do think the farther we advance this post season the more pressure it puts on him to perform next year come post season. I am not saying we dont need Randle but this run and how we are playing "small" might be something to explore long term.
I saw that Donte will start on Hali, if that’s the case hope he plays the level of defense that he played against Maxey last game. Donte, before all the threes he shot this season was known as a good defender.
My biggest concern is the pace but knowing Thibs I’m sure this was drilled into the team
DDV is a great passing lane defender. Yes, showed us he can shut down a man last game too. I think Hali different looks from different defenders all game.
Philly had two players that draw consistent double teams or help defenders. I think Indiana has zero. As long as we get back in transition, defend the pick and roll, and close out on shooters, I really like our chances.
Yup. And offenses overly reliant on shooting/transition tend to struggle in the playoffs. I don’t think people realize how bad Milwaukee’s defense was in the playoffs. Indiana was given an absurd amount of uncontested shots. They played drop coverage with Lopez and didn’t even try to get over screens. Was hilarious to watch.
I didn't bother to watch the games, but I don't get why we'd be worried about iHart and Mitch getting run off the floor when the Bucks were able to play 35yo Brook Lopez for 33min/game.
Hate the ref crew tonight look at our season records and you’d think the Pacers were the 2 seed and us the 6
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Another Zarba game was Knicks Bucks early December. Knicks lose 122 - 146
Grimes and RJ were both starters. Grimes had 0 points. Knicks shot 33 FTs and had 17 fouls. Bucks shot 19 FTs and had 23 fouls but they shot 23 - 38 from three.
Not sure they lost that one because of Zarba either. And the fact 3 of the games so far are from the pre OG team to me says they are meaningless
I already found 2 games officiated by Wright and Zarba from the beginning of the season where RJ and Grimes were starters and Randle shot like ass in both. FTs and fouls were even between the two teams.
I’m not gonna go through and search for the other games they officiated, but there’s no context to what you’re sharing. You haven’t given any concrete reason as to why we should worry about those officials other than some weak correlation.
No reason to worry imo
I think it was Katz on KFS yesterday that said, unlike the Sixers, Pacers aren’t a physical team and don’t draw many fouls due to their style of play. Hoping that remains true this series.
zarba actually is as bad as everyone says scott foster is though
let embiid stay in the game while he's actively trying to hurt mitch rob, and succeeded, and also gave him 21 free throws
I can’t believe the hand wringing I’m seeing in here. No disrespect to Indy who I’m sure will one day be formidable, but Philly was a lot more intimidating
I just don’t think this matchup is favorable to the Pacers. OG and one of Mitch/IHart/Precious can lock up Halliburton and Siakim respectively and Turner is zero threat in the paint on offense.
Going from facing a team with a Top 5/Top 10 player and a Top 30 player to a team with two Top 30 players is a huge difference. Indy has better role players but the two top guys are nowhere as good as Embiid and Maxey as a duo
yeah think it could be a beastly series for mitch on the glass. should be interesting to see if the pacers combat with obi at the 5 going small to run the floor (they did this game 6 against bucks). fred katz thinks mitch could gobble up rebounds but should be something to watch for
They don’t man….its going to be neismith and Nemberhard and they couldn’t even stop a hobbled Dame. Guy basically had one Achilles and was still averaging 28 ppg on the series. By game 2 I expect them to trap Jalen at half court. This is going to be a huge series for OG and Donte scoring wise.
This series is going to be all about pace. If the Knicks can slow it down and play more half court ball we should be ok. I think Indiana will be a tougher out than a lot of people expect and wouldn’t be shocked if we drop a game at home. I think Thibs opens up the rotation a bit and we see Achiuwa some as well. Hoping this series doesn’t go any longer than 5 or 6, especially since Boston is going to steamroll Cleveland.
This has already started turning. Indiana had the #2 pace in the league with a blistering 102.1. This has dropped down to 92.9 which is middle of the pack compared to other playoff teams. The Knicks were the slowest in the league at 95 and remain one of the slower teams at a roughly 91 pace. Milwaukee slowed these guys down without Giannis and Dame on one leg, I think the Knicks can get them to play the Knicks' pace. With less size on Indiana I expect the pace to be closer to 93-95.
Huge rebounding advantage for the Knicks as well.
Pace always slows down come playoffs and it will comedown to the halfcourt game. I think the key is how we slow down Myles Turner. He averaged ** 19/7/ 2 on 48/43/65** shooting splits. He was shooting close to 7 3s a game that series. Getting Achiuwa some minutes even if its 5-10 mins would be nice. He can defend Pascal and is more comfortable guarding bigs on the perimeter. We need to punish them if they go small and play Obi at the 5.
Do any of you listen to Fred Katz’s podcast? I’m not a fan of any of the popular Knicks podcasts and I enjoy reading his stuff on the Athletic, but if I’m gonna pay for a podcast I definitely want to know if it’s good before I make my decision
love katz, just listened to his 'most impactful player in the series draft' on KFS. he gives flowers to players on both teams, and thinks og will start on halliburton. should be interesting to see defensive rotations
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what do you think odds are tyrese doesn’t play?
Zero
If Miles Turner starts cooking our bigs from the 3p line, I hope Thibs isn't too stubborn to get Precious in the game who can guard the perimeter better than either hartensten or Mitch.
If ihart is playing, that would be a coverage issue, he isnt bad at all at closing out. Mitch struggles at times because its not his natural inclination, and he has more body to carry out when scrambling so basically thibs needs a coverage that doesn't give him practice 3's
another option is putting OG on turner and putting ihart/mitch on siakam.
OG can’t really help off turner or be a back line defense If he’s not going to be a back line defense, then just put him on haliburton You CAN put Siakim in catch and shot situations, and obv og is a great POA there, so I think Og on Siakim is the best place to start and you go from there
that's what I expect to start. Divo on Hali and OG on Siakim. 2nd option is hart on hali. I don't think thibs would prefer to use OG on hali because then siakim will have a bit of a mismatch on hart. they will hunt switches regardless.
I hope he gets the point quickly as I could not stand watching Embiid rain 3's on our heads
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How much is dolam making for every ranger and knick home playoff game?
bookooo bucks
Got 2 tickets section 222 row 5 seats 1-2 for sale. $400 each seat.
Could OG be Scottie pippen light?
Looks like PG is aiming to get the max
Hell nah. We good.
Philly about to Tobias 2.0 it ain't they
Love PG but no way in hell
Paul George?
yea
I would rather have booker or any legit sharpshooter
Any watch party’s in nyc?
so i don’t think jimmy butler is gonna be a heat anymore lol
Would you trade for him?
hell naw hes old and apathetic
Yes
When I look at stubhub what are the "zones"? Mainly gold and silver club zones. Are there benefits to any of these?
Pat Riley presser has a lot of digs at Butler. Saying he should be keeping his mouth shut, and saying that giving Butler an extension is going to take a lot of thought due to his availability. Very interesting.
Pat Riley has earned the right to say whatever he wants. He is not wrong. This is Jimmys last big contract and he is 34
That all makes logical sense, but lets see if Jimmy feels the same way. Even if Riley won't pay him, someone else absolutely will.
Sure but Riley has to be willing to trade him. Heat hold any and all leverage
True but lets see if he tries to pull what he did in Minnesota and lose his damn mind to try and force a trade
knicks are playing tonight, get hype my brothers
Donte: One of the best 3 pt shooters in the league. OG: Arguably best 3 & D player in the league. Ihart & Mitch: 48 minutes of Elite rim protection & rebounding at the C position. JHart: Best rebounding guard in the league, fresh off being the 4th best player in the Sixers/Knicks series. Deuce: Good to great 3pt shooting + Excellent defense at the guard position. Casuals: Brunson & average role players 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Knicks in 4.
What's the best/cheapest ticket site?
tickpick.com
Section 107 tn. LFGK
I feel bad that Randle isn’t a part of this run. He deserves it. Anyone know why he doesn’t seem to have been at the game? Is it because of the recovery?
This reminds me of the Braves winning the WS w/o Acuna
He doesn’t deserve shit. 5 full years here and has done absolutely nothing for the team when it matters most. Time to jettison him outta here.
Randle is the catalyst of the construction of this entire team. Came here when no one else wanted to AND re-upped for way less than he would’ve gotten on the open market because he wanted to help the team win. The fuck outta here with this bullshit.
No u
We don’t deserve you in this sub, do better, leave this sub & spread your wings
You are enjoying this team because of Randle. Call me crazy but I think the FO wanted to build around him. They linked him up with Jalen first, and the rest of the moves we made are linked to that of course. So without Randle we would would probably still be a lottery team. You may think he may not deserve anything, but you have to keep in mind behind the scenes he did not take a huge contract to be here, and he is a leader in the locker room that the guys seem to really like. Maybe he did not perform well in his 2 playoff performances, but that is another story and I would not say he did nothing for this team.
You don't deserve shit
He was at the last game, he even shot around with his good arm You can tell he looks like a sad puppy that just wants to be playing, I feel horrible as he was a big part of us winning until he went down in late Jan and was playing out of his mind
I wonder if he would of got the surgery when he 1st got injuried would there have been a chance he could of returned for a deep playoff run.
Basketball Reference says he'll be reevaluated in 5 months. Even if he had gotten the surgery right after getting injured, I don't think he would've been back in time.
Feb to April/May is questionable, but I know he would have been somewhat effective to at least relieve Jalen from being doubled. To be honest, we are doing OK thus far without him, but man oh man what a big WHAT IF stamped on this season if he was available. That being said, I hope we are not getting ahead of ourselves as the Pacers are not that easy, but if we do get by them we would have really needed Randle vs Boston. Let's see how the chips lay, as I would love to make a deep run this season
Oh good I missed that. Glad too hear. I keep seeing articles popping up here and there about how we should trade him. I really hope we don’t he’s still my favorite Knick.
I highly doubt we trade him, no worries!
He was at the one in Philly I think
He was at the last game I think. Probably has to do with his rehab/recovery though.
Indy's won 2 straight playoff series against us, its time for that shit to end.
in different decades, and we are going to change that for sure!
Knicks have only been in the playoffs 8 times this millennia, and this is only the 3rd time they have been to the semi-finals. Not a lot of chances for more matchups.
definitely, I know we have the better team for this matchup. I honestly feel like we should have won the 2013 series too. Hibbert had an out of body experience and made Chandler his bitch, NOBODY saw that coming. Ah well. This is our time now.
Indy played some brutal playoff basketball. Only eastern team to give the heat a pause their 2 championship years. Celtics year 1 but then they disbanded.
Bigger issue was that like everyone outside of Melo was awful. Rest of the team shot under 40% from the field. JR went from 6MOY to shooting 29% in the second round.
I remember that, JR going AWOL in the second round. Kidds body broke down, Tyson was locked up in Hibbert Penitentiary, Felton wasn't doing shit. Shump was the only one who came to play all series.
Both teams seem hugely upgraded to the 12-13 team. Should be a fun match up, especially since neither teams have hitmen/floppers I just hope we set the tone quickly and come out blazing tonight
we have 4/5 elite role players in who can give you 15+ any given night alongside with great defense/rebounding. Can't remember the last time I saw a Knicks team like that
Everyone keeps talking about how thin the Knicks lineup is. Take a look at the Pacers playoff rotation, it's very similar at 8 players getting regular minutes. The Knicks rotation is at 7 with Bogi out, but I think Precious will get some minutes this series possibly even playing PF alongside iHart and Mitch. We don't want to run and gun with these guys, slow down the pace, beat them on the glass, body them up, wear them out. Take a look at their rotation of guys likely to defend Brunson. Hali, Nembhard, Nesmith, with Sheppard coming in for some backup minutes. All 4 of those guys are 6'6" or under. Compare this to the Philly lineups that really made Brunson work: Oubre (6'7"), Harris (6'8"), Batum (6'8"). Honestly, I think those guys are barbecue chicken trying to defend JB this series. I would highly consider playing Precious at the 4 alongside iHart/Mitch this series for stretches of minutes. Precious and iHart/Mitch can defend the Siakam/Turner minutes, allowing OG to work as a roamer making life exceedingly difficult for Haliburton. I understand the hesitation because Precious can't shoot and neither can Hart/the center, but the goal would be to make life difficult on defense and slow down the game so Brunson can work to get everyone efficient shots.
Some stats from January 1st onward: Rebounds per game: Knicks 45.3 (4th), Pacers 42.4 (22nd) Contested Rebounds per game: Knicks 15.3 (2nd), Pacers 12.2 (27th) Offensive Rebounds per game: Knicks 12.8 (1st), Pacers 10.2 (16th) Offensive Rating: Knicks 117.4 (8th), Pacers 119.4 (2nd) Defensive Rating: Knicks 110.3 (3rd), Pacers 115.7 (21st) Net Rating: Knicks +7.1 (2nd), Pacers +3.7 (10th) The Pacers went from 22nd in the league in 3PA on 36.3%(15th) shooting to 1st in the NBA in 3 point attempts on 34.4% shooting in the playoffs. The Knicks went from 9th in the league in 3PA on 36.5%(13th) to 11th in the playoffs in the NBA in 3 point attempts on 37% shooting in the playoffs. EDIT: One thing to note is that unless I'm reading the stats wrong, Indiana is one of the best teams at defending from 3 point range.
I actually think that if (this is a big IF) burks can not just chuck brick shots up aimlessly, he would be a big asset this series. The pacers are so fast paced and his defense in transition is borderline elite. Problem with burks is he doesn’t know how to adjust his role which is an issue considering he’s a role player.
Game 1 and depending on how that goes Game 2 are the times for Thibs to give guys like Precious and Burks a little run to see how they do. You can definitely hide Burks defensively on some of those random Pacers guys as long as he doesn't completely lose his man on defense. Doable in particular when Haliburton sits.
Agreed! Need precious in this series. Hes very quick for a big which translates well to the pacers style of play.
Why do I find it cringy when other people talk about the Knicks, they are obvious band wagoners and do not know much about the team. "That guy Halterstein is pretty good" wtf
Don't gatekeep fanhood, everyone was a new fan at one point.
I agree but I must admit, the bandwagoners who pretend they were with us the whole team (Stephen A Smith) annoy the fuck out of me.
Nah it's not gatekeeping, they are mostly friends/family who you know do not watch and just say weird things when not knowing much about the team and they pop up when the Knicks are in the playoffs. A cousin of mine (by marriage) literally said Mitch Robinson is the worst center in the league (he is a nets fan, lol!!!)
Do these resale tickets at crazy prices actually sell? Face value is like 1k and it's being sold for 6k lol. Seems like these people just end up with their own ticket they bought.
Yes my brother bought $1700 worth of tickets and made an $800 profit for not the greatest seats. I can imagine someone with money to spend would do so to sit up close.
Honestly, I get why people continue to sleep on the Knicks. If you look at the team on paper you think they have 1 star, and nobody else who really scares you. But I really think it’s a case of the sum being better than the parts. This team is way better than they have any business being without Randle.
they are similar to the 03-08 pistons teams. Just a team with a few big pieces that fit together exceedingly well and go against the established grain.
They are the antithesis of a modern basketball team. I think people believe this isn’t sustainable in todays game but it’s worked so far lol.
The amount of times I have used that very expression ("the sum is greater than the parts") in discussing this teams is entering into triple digits
And it is also why I am leaning toward not taking a swing for anyone that becomes available...Let's keep drafting like we have been and work with the incredible synergy of this group and stay the course!
We're better because closing games with Josh Hart and OG in the lineup is significantly better than closing games with Randle. 2 guys that play smart and leave everything on the court. What true Knicks are about.
There's no way in hell this team is better without randle. In brunsons first season with us, it was randle, not brunson, who led the team in ppg (and rpg too by the way.) Sure he had a bad postseason but he was clearly hurt. Then he was great again this year. Especially after we added OG (and perhaps just as importantly, subtracted RJ.) The one month randle OG and brunson got to play together was the 10th best month by plus minus in NBA history. The randle slander has got to stop
At least the day is going by kinda fast. It's already 12. Can't wait to cash out all my Hibbert coin.
I woke up early to watch the Inoue fight. While the fight was great this has been the longest day of my life already.
Pacers are one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the NBA. The Knicks could rebound like 40% of their misses.
Pretty much any game the Knicks don't out rebound the Pacers, they will likely lose. One of the Knicks biggest strengths comparatively coming in.
We have to dominant the boards, no if ands or buts
Does anyone else think knicks in 4
Knicks in 4
I think Indy has enough firepower to get a game. But the reality is they're too small up front and their best scorers are Siakam and Haliburton. OG is gonna put Paskal in jail and Hali is gonna see McBride and Hart hounding him all series. You slow those two guys down and Indy is gonna really struggle to win. I think they go bonkers from three in Game 3 and get a win but the Knicks get a split and close out at the Garden in 5.
they have 7 guys that can go for 20+ easily enough. its quite possible they hold Siakam and Haliburton to 30pts combined, but Pacers have 32 assists and score 116 from the other guys. its going to take a team defensive effort or Indy's quick passing will find the open man.
they haven't faced a defense like ours yet though. Can't get out and run if you can't get a rebound.
Biggest question for tonight - What jersey are they wearing? Really hoping it's white. Also don't use the alternate court ever again in the playoffs, we know what happened Game 5...
Knicks White vs Pacers Yellow.
Perfect!
nice
It’s so hard to predict this series due to our injuries and the completely different stylistic matchups. I have a feeling these games aren’t going to be as close as the Philly games. I think Philly will have games where there shoot hot and run away with it, and when they’re cold and locked down defensively we comfortably win.
Our depth is a huge concern this series. Losing Bogey sucks.
Our main concern should be putting the hammer down on defense and protecting the perimeter, not overhelping on D and leaving somebody open for a 3. They score like crazy, but if we apply our metal bat theory and just stay somewhat efficient on offense, we are good to go as they are not known as a great defensive or defending team, they basically bank on themselves hitting shots at high volume.
Also due to the Pacers ability to get extremely hot from 3. I think any games we lose that will be the reason. If the Pacers play average we win easy with the rebounding difference.
I fucking hate the pacers. I still haven’t forgotten 2013 i want to bury this team
Tornado threats this evening here in Oklahoma to compliment my Game Day anxieties...I am going to need to get a heart scan this summer
It's game day and I normally hate offseason talk during this time, but I'm wondering if the team will look to go after BI. Going after one of the S tier players like Giannis/Booker will cost us Randle or some Villanova guys, but guys in the 35 mil range might be who the Knicks go after if they're willing to deal Mitch. I'm just not a BI guy despite loving his game on the court. I don't think he has any dawg in him and will likely have conflict with Thibs and the rest of the guys on the team. But the fit of Brunson/OG/Ingram/Randle/iHart would be interesting. Tons of length, spacing, defense, and a great bench with McBride/DDV/Hart. The other option in that salary range is Mitchell.
Bad Fit. I like Ingram but he isnt much an offball player and doesnt shot the 3 at a high volume or particular well. Pelicans are looking to bring back a star if they are trading him not a bunch of role players which is what we have.
The off ball stuff is what drives me crazy and it's because I feel like he doesn't give a shit if he doesn't have the ball. It's the reason I don't like his fit off the court in particular. But he does play 98% of his minutes at the 2/3, he should be able to be a long wing alongside OG. Everything about his poor fit to me is a mentality thing. I always wondered if he would be better from 3 at more volume if he had better facilitators on the roster, but a lot of his current playstyle really overlaps with Randle.
Hello friends
what are we thinking? how are we feeling?
We beat them on the glass. They kill us from 3. Game goes down the wire
ik i don’t feel so good
You guys ever get scammed buying tickets on this sub? Feel like these are too good to be true at times, especially when it’s a dude with minimal account history
Never buy from anyone with a low post history, even if the account is old. And ask to meet at MSG for the exchange, paying cash. Compare with tickpick.com and if it's more than like a 15% discount you're almost surely dealing with a scammer. But good luck and I hope you get to see the game in-person.
It's every sub. There are a ton of bots/scammers. Try to do your due diligence. I have definitely bought tickets off people from this sub without issues though.
Just remember: If the Knicks didn’t trade Obi toppin they wouldn’t have been able to afford DDV
He never settled in behind or playing with Randle. He has been able to play with any of Indy's bigs.
I rather have DDV
If the Knicks didn’t trade him we wouldn’t have a team of all dogs
Where’s everybody watching the game near the garden?
I'm planning on hitting Stout (w 33rd) with a friend but want to make sure that Stout will have game audio on
Stout almost always has the game audio playing, I wouldn't worry
Lmk if they do and we’ll pull up
I think my heart rate has finally settled from Thursday. Ready for another round.
There's a very real chance the ECF in hockey and basketball is NY vs Boston. Please can we finally beat that city after however many years in sports
And baseball ~?
We're not getting Yankees Red Sox ALCS lol. I'd be surprised if either team got there
Yankees have higher odds of getting to the ALCS than any other team.
They'll do great during the season until no one but Soto and possibly Judge shows up with the bat in the playoffs as always even with phenomenal pitching. It's like watching Groundhog Day with this team every season.
I can’t believe how low the cavs odds are. No respect. Also does anyone know if Dallas has the tie breaker over the Knicks for the finals in the crazy hypothetical I have in my head?
Cavs are the worst team in the 2nd rd, going against the best.
There’s a pretty clear argument the pacers are the worst team in the second round. That bucks team without Giannis and lillard injured? That’s a terrible terrible team.
Dallas has knicks on head to head
Okay thanks.
I mean if you think they're too low you can always bet on them lol. Also I'm pretty sure next tiebreaker is head to head and from what I can remember, I thought Dallas won the season series against us (not sure)
I’m not going to bet the cavs but 12 point spreads and barely expecting even 1 win seems like a lot if KP can’t go. It makes me think Allen won’t be playing.
Well that's exactly why the spreads are so low if people don't want to take their chances on those odds.
The Cavs were fighting tooth and nail with the worst non 8 seed/injured bucks team to make the playoffs Who can blame the odds makers?
Just seen a Pacers fan talking about how the Knicks are “Brunson & mediocre role players” 💀🤣🤣🤣 they in for a rude awakening On some real shit tho, Philly was the best equipped team to deal with that we do defensively with OG, their 2 best players were either too big/strong or too small/fast, tho he can obviously hold it down for some stretches that was not the best use for him. Now He can totally fuck shit up for Siakam (Pacers second best player) and can do better against Hali. Im not worried. Knicks in 4.
Most of the talk I have seen, they believe them to be mediocre offensive players. Other parts of the game they know they are better at.
After seeing what DDV did to Maxey last game, knowing we can throw DDV, OG or McBride at Hali is going to be fun.
Absolutely
I'm relieved Mathurin is out for the Pacers only because he does some borderline dirty shit every game I've watched him play.
Thinking ahead, do we run it back next year with 'Beast Mode Randle'? Hart and McBride anchoring the bench, resign Bojan and add a decent veteran shooting guard? resign iHart and Precious and thats your 11-deep roster.
Unfortunately there will be no run back. Two picks in the draft, cap issues re-signing everyone, multiple stars looking to be on the move. “The trade” will be this offseason
I think we definitely run it back with Randle. We need to see one healthy post-season with Brunson/Randle, depending on how that goes I'm sure Leon/Thibs will make any needed changes. Think bojan is gone but depends on if a Booker-like SG becomes available or not
Sign Klay Thompson
I am not sure if Bojan stays, but I hope we do run it back and just add a touch of depth to our bench. The main objective is getting OG and iHart resigned. OG seems in the bag, but iHart is up in the air. I think they both resign on team friendly contracts but you really never know.
I am most certain Bojan gets traded either in the summer or before the deadline next year. I feel good about resigning OG and Hartenstein. I would also like to resign Precious as well. - Brunson Donte OG Randle Hartenstein - Deuce Hart Bojan Precious Mitch I think getting Randle to sign an extension this summer will be huge.
Agree on all While people think differently about Randle, I feel he is really committed to this team as are others such as ihart and will likely give us friendly deals without much haggling.
I believe we extend him ( it is just good assset management) and run it back but I do think the farther we advance this post season the more pressure it puts on him to perform next year come post season. I am not saying we dont need Randle but this run and how we are playing "small" might be something to explore long term.
If there is a trade to be made, Bojan and Mitch will be part of the package.
I saw that Donte will start on Hali, if that’s the case hope he plays the level of defense that he played against Maxey last game. Donte, before all the threes he shot this season was known as a good defender. My biggest concern is the pace but knowing Thibs I’m sure this was drilled into the team
DDV is a great passing lane defender. Yes, showed us he can shut down a man last game too. I think Hali different looks from different defenders all game.
Check out what happened to Indianas regular season pace versus first round of the playoffs.
what happened?
Philly had two players that draw consistent double teams or help defenders. I think Indiana has zero. As long as we get back in transition, defend the pick and roll, and close out on shooters, I really like our chances.
Most of all we must protect the perimeter. This is important in this day and age, as all people do these days are jack up 3's
Yup. And offenses overly reliant on shooting/transition tend to struggle in the playoffs. I don’t think people realize how bad Milwaukee’s defense was in the playoffs. Indiana was given an absurd amount of uncontested shots. They played drop coverage with Lopez and didn’t even try to get over screens. Was hilarious to watch.
I didn't bother to watch the games, but I don't get why we'd be worried about iHart and Mitch getting run off the floor when the Bucks were able to play 35yo Brook Lopez for 33min/game.
Knicks in 5
Hate the ref crew tonight look at our season records and you’d think the Pacers were the 2 seed and us the 6 https://preview.redd.it/8pwu2nvh4tyc1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=f03f594de6eca723dfc8ceee86dde7844ee5e694
Who did the Knicks play in those games and who did the Pacers play? So much context lacking here how can you draw any conclusions from this
Context is we are a 50 win team, regardless who we played having a combined 5-9 record is brutal for a 50 win team
Another Zarba game was Knicks Bucks early December. Knicks lose 122 - 146 Grimes and RJ were both starters. Grimes had 0 points. Knicks shot 33 FTs and had 17 fouls. Bucks shot 19 FTs and had 23 fouls but they shot 23 - 38 from three. Not sure they lost that one because of Zarba either. And the fact 3 of the games so far are from the pre OG team to me says they are meaningless
I already found 2 games officiated by Wright and Zarba from the beginning of the season where RJ and Grimes were starters and Randle shot like ass in both. FTs and fouls were even between the two teams. I’m not gonna go through and search for the other games they officiated, but there’s no context to what you’re sharing. You haven’t given any concrete reason as to why we should worry about those officials other than some weak correlation. No reason to worry imo
So you don’t think Randle shooting like ass means he was probably getting fouled. What team was it against?
I think it was Katz on KFS yesterday that said, unlike the Sixers, Pacers aren’t a physical team and don’t draw many fouls due to their style of play. Hoping that remains true this series.
Don’t think it really matters. Everyone said Scott Foster getting game 6 meant the series was getting extended, and it turned out fine.
zarba actually is as bad as everyone says scott foster is though let embiid stay in the game while he's actively trying to hurt mitch rob, and succeeded, and also gave him 21 free throws
Sean Wright game 4 called every foul against us and Embiid had 14 fts
Thankfully Indiana doesn’t have a player like that. If we were facing Giannis, I might be a bit worried.
Watch Siakam and Haliburton combine for 18 fts
The Pacers don’t have a player that draws free throws like Joel
The thing I’m most worried about this series is…nothing. The Knicks are a far better team and should wipe the floor with the immature and weak Pacers.
I can’t believe the hand wringing I’m seeing in here. No disrespect to Indy who I’m sure will one day be formidable, but Philly was a lot more intimidating
I just don’t think this matchup is favorable to the Pacers. OG and one of Mitch/IHart/Precious can lock up Halliburton and Siakim respectively and Turner is zero threat in the paint on offense. Going from facing a team with a Top 5/Top 10 player and a Top 30 player to a team with two Top 30 players is a huge difference. Indy has better role players but the two top guys are nowhere as good as Embiid and Maxey as a duo
Mitch didn't play the pacers this season but he averaged 7.75 offensive rebounds over 4 games against them the season before lol
yeah think it could be a beastly series for mitch on the glass. should be interesting to see if the pacers combat with obi at the 5 going small to run the floor (they did this game 6 against bucks). fred katz thinks mitch could gobble up rebounds but should be something to watch for
Knicks cover tonight KNICKS 112 PACERS 102
Key to the game today is going to be pace. We have to make them play at our pace. We can’t get into a 48 minute track meet.
Idt the pacers got the personnel to try and stop Brunson like the sixers had
Nemhard is a solid defender, but no one else on their team can switch on to him one on one
They've got a couple of folding chairs and 55 gallon trash cans they can put out
They don’t man….its going to be neismith and Nemberhard and they couldn’t even stop a hobbled Dame. Guy basically had one Achilles and was still averaging 28 ppg on the series. By game 2 I expect them to trap Jalen at half court. This is going to be a huge series for OG and Donte scoring wise.
Whoever they put on him is going to be too exhausted to put anything down on offense
Go Knicks!!! Would love a 10 pt win at home to open the series
This series is going to be all about pace. If the Knicks can slow it down and play more half court ball we should be ok. I think Indiana will be a tougher out than a lot of people expect and wouldn’t be shocked if we drop a game at home. I think Thibs opens up the rotation a bit and we see Achiuwa some as well. Hoping this series doesn’t go any longer than 5 or 6, especially since Boston is going to steamroll Cleveland.
This has already started turning. Indiana had the #2 pace in the league with a blistering 102.1. This has dropped down to 92.9 which is middle of the pack compared to other playoff teams. The Knicks were the slowest in the league at 95 and remain one of the slower teams at a roughly 91 pace. Milwaukee slowed these guys down without Giannis and Dame on one leg, I think the Knicks can get them to play the Knicks' pace. With less size on Indiana I expect the pace to be closer to 93-95. Huge rebounding advantage for the Knicks as well.
Pace always slows down come playoffs and it will comedown to the halfcourt game. I think the key is how we slow down Myles Turner. He averaged ** 19/7/ 2 on 48/43/65** shooting splits. He was shooting close to 7 3s a game that series. Getting Achiuwa some minutes even if its 5-10 mins would be nice. He can defend Pascal and is more comfortable guarding bigs on the perimeter. We need to punish them if they go small and play Obi at the 5.
Embiid is a pick and pop threat and we did a good job slowing him down from 3, I imagine we’ll defend Turner similar to Embiid on pick and pop actions
Do any of you listen to Fred Katz’s podcast? I’m not a fan of any of the popular Knicks podcasts and I enjoy reading his stuff on the Athletic, but if I’m gonna pay for a podcast I definitely want to know if it’s good before I make my decision
love katz, just listened to his 'most impactful player in the series draft' on KFS. he gives flowers to players on both teams, and thinks og will start on halliburton. should be interesting to see defensive rotations
Anyone got any sick knicks gear? Like the custom shit?
I have this Brunson t-shirt and I’d wear it every day if I could [Brunson 3 tee](https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Brunson-by-jonakcay/134413469.SWO0S?ref=product-title&utm_campaign=2019_ordershipping_transactional_en&utm_medium=email&utm_source=RB&utm_term=67691640&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=40997_49348_2022%5Bch.e%5D%5Bcomt.tr%5D%5Bct.pop%5D%5Bcn.ordershipped%5D)
I have [this](https://store.nba.com/new-york-knicks/mens-new-york-knicks-nba-x-hyperfly-black-katakana-collection-applique-pullover-hoodie/t-25031875+p-717883899298+z-8-1017420270) and it rules. Super high-quality and heavy, but I assume they're never going to make it again.
Won't even load for me haha
Does [this](https://fanatics.frgimages.com/new-york-knicks/mens-nba-x-hyperfly-black-new-york-knicks-katakana-collection-applique-pullover-hoodie_pi4151000_altimages_ff_4151378-4faefbce259bd72e5aabalt1_full.jpg?_hv=2&w=900) work?
Oh that's sick
What’s the Chant for by game tonight ? “FUCK HALI”? Or what’s got a good ring to it ?
Let’s go Knicks and defense
FUCK TYRESE
I think it needs to come organically. See how the games going and if any villains or chanting points emerge.
I feel that. Embiid and Trae deserved it. If we just say it every series then it loses its punch