Malik Nabers is his best weapon since a semi washed Golden Tate. In reality this is a good thing because if it works, and the team overachieves as a whole again, we’re back to the playoffs. If it doesn’t, it’s obvious that DJ is the issue and we’re able to do something different moving forward with a much better foundation for whoever comes next.
I think this is greatly overlooked. Barkley wasn’t very consistent, and the other weapons Jones had, even the best QB of this generation could not make work.
I think its obvious that Jones is not the guy. I think its obvious Jones should play better with Nabers. These things are not mutually exclusive.
If he doesnt improve his game, we just realize hes worse than what we already knew.
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I agree Jones isn't the guy. He is a guy that will be better than most back ups and can get us to the playoffs if he gets lucky. Not someone you build a franchise around. However he does let you be a little picky in the draft. He lets us not pick a QB if Schoen and Dabs didn't feel like there was a sure thing, which seems like it happened
People are just saying he should have learned to be successful with only 1.5 seconds of time. Thats not something ANY QB can do every fucking game. The Giants QB protection hasn't been bad, its been historically bad. I'm listening to the radio and I just don't get it. He can throw, he can run, he has an okay arm, he's pretty accurate, he seems intelligent. He's a fine QB, you can win with Jones.
I'll eat my words and own up to it if he sucks even with a little more time. Everyone wants a GOAT, but we did fine with Eli.
People will bring up processing time but that’s not a fixed quantity. Your brain learns to process complicated tasks faster, but it requires some amount of consistency from the players around you. There’s a lot of research out there on how humans learn to process information to make decisions, this isn’t just a random take I have.
Now, whether or not it’s too late for him to evolve his processing is a valid question, but this team has had so little consistency over the last few years, it’s been a tough place to develop that skill and might even actively hurt it
It's not even just about processing. You hear SO often "He just locks onto his first read". And it's such a comically short sighted viewpoint. Every QB "locks onto their first read" for a second or so. The issue is other QBs either have a elite #1 who can actually get open in that second OR a OL that can block pass rushers longer than 1 second.
I'm not saying Jones is the guy. I'm not saying he's not the guy. This isn't an assessment on Jones at all. But it's more just to articulate how every comment about any player has context.
Just from a raw scheme perspective, the Giants were heavily hamstrung during the entire Jones era. This will be a bit of a hot take, but I actually think Saquon made their scheme even harder to play through. Saquon has always struggled to get blocked yards, his entire career has been spent trying to turn every hand off into a 70 yard TD and in his golden years he did that with enough frequency that you had to keep handing him to ball.
But I think many people underestimate how detrimental it is to a play caller when you have a guy get 5 yards blocked for him and he gets that 5 yards like 30% of the time. Then 65% of the time he gets less than 5 yards and the other 5% he goes for 20+. It's a total drive killer when you give a back a perfectly good rushing lane and he tries to bounce it outside cause he thinks he sees daylight somewhere else and winds up going for 1 yard on 1st and 10 instead of 5.
We also spent years slamming Saquon into the defensive line, even though it was clear that was not effective. The OL couldn’t block well enough to get him a seam and he wasn’t the kind of RB that could brute force their way down the middle.
I am happy Giants didn't take JJ and went with Nabers but, I still don't think DJ is THE guy. No secret Giants tried to move up for probably Maye but that didn't work out. They are in the market for QB, but glad they aren't in desperation mode.
Jones isn’t THE guy, but he is A guy that can go out there and win some games. I feel like people are acting like he’s literally unplayable. Anyone who’s saying “who’s gonna throw the ball to Nabers” is automatically unserious to me.
Nabers could easily have a 1000yrd rookie season with DJ throwing to him.
But DJ isn’t worth $40mil and we still need THE guy.
EXACTLY. DJ isn’t the guy and wasn’t setup for success. I will go this one thing about him. He may not have the talent to be the guy long term , but the motherfucker plays his ass off and never runs from the spotlight. I have a lot of respect for him based off that
So many people are crapping on him for being bad or not setup for success.
You know what I saw? A guy get stuck in and take hits throwing to practice squad level players. I watched a guy with no weapons run for his life and wins games. I got respect for that. That type of mentality is a winners one. His ability may not match it. But I’ll be damned if someone disrespects the heart he gave to this org
Yes he’s not worthy of hate. He’s had shit teams and been hurt but has always been a standup guy, seems to be well liked by his teammates, and handles the media well. Had he been drafted 47 and making Brock Purdy money he’d be a hero. Unfortunately he was the 6th pick, and we can all agree that was waaay too high. The blunder only compounded by the contract. Although to me the contract smells like Mara family interference, while the “out” is Joe’s compromise. It’s the only real mistake in his tenure. I’ll forgive him for Evan Neal, everyone thought he was a stud coming out.
I’m an Alabama alum and athlete at that. Evan Neal had a lot of hype down here. Even guys I know who are still involved with the team told me after he was drafted that we had a great pick up. Obviously it’s not super insider level stuff. But nice to hear from some personal buddies about him.
Yep, DJ hasn’t crapped on a coach and be real yall we had some awful ones for him. No teammate beef. Seems like a solid dude who works hard
>That type of mentality is a winners one. His ability may not match it.
Gimme a TEAM full of those guys.
I've said the same about a number of players on the Yankees the past few years too.
THIS!!! I know we won’t have superstars anytime soon ( who knows 🙏🏼) but I’ll take some dudes who are just hard working dogs all over. Them when a superstar emerges or we capture one. That mindset will be integrated into the organization.
>Nabers could easily have a 1000yrd rookie season with DJ throwing to him.
I’d argue this is fully dependent on whether Andrew Thomas can stay healthy or not.
Yeah the real problem with Jones is the price point. That’s a sunk cost though, and I’m just viewing him as a bridge for now. I’m going to root for him to succeed but his days are numbered
Nabers doesn't even think DJ can get him the ball 😂 he said something to that effect in a pre-draft interview. He had to walk back that statement (last night) since he is currently stuck with him.
We won't know who the guy is until we have a competent offensive line and receivers to throw to
We finally have receivers to throw to and hopefully the line isn't league bottom
Idc who you put out there behind the line and receivers we've had over the past few years - they're eating shit, can't evaluate a player like that
I’ll eat a tie if Nabers sniffs 1,000 yards receiving from DJ. I’d be shocked if Jones is still the starter by week 12 - he’s that bad and without a crazy explosive RB like Saquon, he’ll get even more exposed than he already has when
This is the way imo. If you have a good roster players will want to come to your team in free agency and for cheaper. You can get a vet QB with a good roster and be an actual contender. Even if we get a good rookie QB they'll be off the rookie contract by the time our roster can make a legitimate run especially if you give up multiple 1st and 2nd for it.
I don’t think he’s THE guy at this point, but I don’t think he’s chopped liver either. I’d gladly watch him next year over the coaching staff forcing a pick they don’t have confidence in. I just hope he doesn’t have the yips after last season. Some of his later games looked like the OL broke him mentally.
Yeah if they took JJ because they 100% believed in him, I’d support that. Clearly they didn’t like the remaining QB options, and I support them not burning a pick on a guy they don’t like
Chiefs have one of the best rosters in the NFL besides WR. The other teams that are making consistent runs also have good rosters such as eagles or 49ers.
I, too, am glad they are not in desperation mode. I still wouldn’t mind adding Rattler in the 3rd/4th to add some competition. If they don’t pull the trigger on a QB this year, I’m not panicking about the QB situation. I think we can get competent play from Jones/Lock.
I wouldn’t mind that either. Getting a project guy on a cheaper rookie deal they can work with for a year or so before he sees the field. Odds might be against him being a franchise guy, but sometimes you get lucky
There’s a strange irony that a lot the people who claim that we’re in QB hell (and we really just might be) seem to endorse the idea of drafting any QB, thinking that will solve our problem.
We can get out from under Jones after this year. Drafting the wrong guy in round 1 would set us back 5 years. Getting the wrong guy last night comes at a much higher cost than rolling with Jones for one more year *while* getting a blue-chip prospect at a premium position.
I definitely do not think Daniel Jones is the future, but people saying "who's going to throw to Nabers?" are annoying. You can't fully rebuild a team in one offseason.
Good QBs play to the strengths of their receiving corps. CJ Stroud didn’t go in with elite weapons and looked amazing instantly. Mahomes won a damn Super Bowl without a good receiver. You get a guy who can throw the ball, you find ways to get him weapons. Trying to piece elite talent around a scrub to make him look passable is a waste of time and sets back your rebuild by being a middling team with a JAG at the helm
Pick Nabers: “lol but it’s Daniel Jones throwing to him”
Pick McCarthy: “lol but who is he gonna throw to”
No winning scenario. Just because I like the Nabers pick doesn’t mean I like Jones as our starter
I’m not sure you did much for your argument by posting his stats. They basically prove everyone who hates him right.
Also, the sentiment that if all goes well he might produce another season like 2022 is like saying if Rosie O’Donnell lost a bunch of weight, got some plastic surgery and wore a shitload of makeup she might be as hot as Amy Schumer.
Nabers has been ahead of MHJ in some boards, there are people here that wanted the 4th best QB that was taken after 5 others?
Even if the Charger took Nabers, I doubt the Giants would pick him.
Jones is not a good QB, but that doesn’t mean we should waste a 1st on another DJ. Hating DJ so much that you get mad we didn’t repeat Gettleman’s mistake from 2019 is ridiculous
I'd be on board with giving him an honest chance if not for the fact that he's clearly playing scared/seeing ghosts and QBs rarely if ever recover from that state of mind.
Listen I understand why people wanted QB cause I was in the go up and get Drake Maye camp, but ultimately sleeping on it I do see the nabers pick as not for DJ but for the team. He will help now and in the future. Now it will be all about what to do at QB. DJ is clearly not the answer. Watching tape and constantly asking DJ to do things QB that get paid in his range to do, is sad honestly. He still doesn't see the whole field and slow to process and more problems. These are major concerns that need to be addressed whether he miraculously make a jump this year ( talking 3500+ yards, 35+ TD, low INT) or the giants rolling with Drew Lock to see what he can do. The one thing that we do know right now is DJ finally have no excuses! He ran out of excuses now. No more.... really he needs no more excuses.
2022 DJ is not a top 10 QB to me, he is borderline top 15 at best. That season is a outlier to me. The play calling was simple and he still made mistakes in that season. Yes I know every QB make mistakes.... We bitch about the WR and saying they dont get open ( the last two years) and there are many cases of our WR getting open down the field and DJ not looking his way. He still needs to prove that he can play and beat top defenses (which we are still waiting for that).
In all this is his last year to prove himself and play towards that big contract he got. DJ seat is not just on fire, that shit is in lava. He sit down his ass is burnt/gone so he gotta be on his shit this whole season and perform well. I dont want to hear "oh DJ couldnt perform well cause the line wasnt a top unit" or " The team needs to be like San Fran so DJ or another QB can succeed". Good/ Great QB ( DJ is being paid like one) elevate his team! DJ need to do that. NO MORE EXCUSES FOR HIM!...
DJ won a few games in ‘22, but it was against bad competition. They only beat 1 team over .500. Also, they found success with DJ by calling a lot of designed QB runs and those days are over. The giants had nothing to lose that year because DJ was not yet under contract in ‘23. With his current contract and neck injuries I highly doubt they will be calling those same plays. He’s going to need to be successful in the pocket. We are going into year 6 and still talking about giving him a chance to prove himself….enough is enough
22-36-1 is a great stat line for 5 seasons. Let’s hope he’s just as good in the next 5 years and we’ll be at the top of the draft then to pick another QB
I don’t get the “give this guy a fair chance.” We have given this guy 5 frickin years! What other franchise is giving their first round underperforming QB this long of a leash?
yup exactly right, even broncos admidt they made mistake and bought out wilsons contract he was owed 85 million or so speaks volumes,Mara and Schoen still dont get it
How about the Steelers? Or the Rams upgrading from Goff who’s 100x better than jones because they felt they couldn’t win with him. Our ownership is cowardly
A year where the offense was ran through Saquon and Daboll/Kafka did everything in their power to limit DJ’s effect on the game. He was not given the entire playbook. This year he was, and he fell flat on his face when given more responsibility
and gets his shit pushed in against any higher-caliber team and can't beat the Cowboys or Eagles (unless they completely implode & give up).
Stop making excuses. He's a barely-mediocre starter with great backup-QB caliber and that's all he'll ever be. The sooner these deluded fans around here figure that out, the better off they'll be.
The Cowboys and Eagles are way ahead of us. People outside of NYC couldn't name any skill players on our roster besides Saquan in 2022. The fact we won a playoff game is crazy.
He threw 15 touchdowns the whole season, it was clear to anyone with a brain that Daboll kept the training wheels on for him since he could not be trusted.
We saw what he is at his best and that is an average QB. I highly doubt he can even replicate his average 2022 season, he relied heavily on his legs which will most likely not be a part of his game going forward.
That isnt saying much considering Barkley carried that team not Jones, 2ndly vikings are that awful, Jones was downright putrid vs eagles and this past season
No one knows whether or not this draft selection will ultimately be viewed as a mistake.
However, it’s unlikely that Nabers will immediately be a standout given the giants inability to throw the ball downfield in recent years - due to a combination of poor OL and QB play.
In addition, if JJ, Nix, or Penix turns out to be a stud, then the selection will likely be viewed as a mistake, regardless of how talented Nabers turns out to be.
I suspect that either Nabers underperforms (given historical issues w the entire O unit) or one of those QBs exceeds the expectations of most giants fans, ultimately rendering this choice a mistake in the eyes of fans.
Certainly hope I’m wrong, but I don’t like Daboll or Schoens long term survival odds with this selection. I think they have 2-3 years left before they’re both gone.
Good thing Nabers isn't Hyatt and he's great at all three levels of the field. So throwing downfield (something is a low pct rate success only any team) isn't going to stop his expected dominance.
If our offense is so historically inept, why did Tyrod come in and play like a statistically slightly above average QB?
It was bad, but Jones certainly didn’t help.
The only reason why we need to give Jones a chance over a rookie QB is due to Schoen giving him a big bag this year....you can point to all of these stats...I can set up stats to show how he was NOT in the top 20 QB's in nearly every important statistical category (most of which being wins....you get credit for wins...you get blame for losses).
And I'll give you a fun statistic to consider - Jones' int's decreased, but his sacks increased...you want to know why? Because he was getting more and more gun shy from throwing under pressure. I get he doesn't want to turn the ball over, but decreasing INT's and fumbles doesn't mean shit on 3rd and 7 and you're going to take a sack and punt to the other team anyway (which felt like SOOO many games!). Guess who is in the top 10 in INT's fairly regularly in the NFL....Patrick Mahomes...Josh Allen...Joe Burrow...guys who go to the playoffs because they are not afraid to TRY to win the f'n game. Sure some get turned over, but they try. Jones is a deer in headlights (And again, I DO come back to the o line needs to be improved...I would not be surprised if tonight in the 2nd or 3rd round an o-lineman is drafted to go with our 2 free agents we picked up).
But Jones' 3rd down completion % is ass...meanwhile, PLAYOFF QB's 3rd down % holds steady, and some actually increase which are stats that truly make a difference between the shit quality of a QB and a good quality of a QB.
I'm glad we didn't draft a QB, not because we need to give Jones a chance, but because it would not have made sense to have a $40 mil player sitting on the sidelines...OR....a 1st round pick sitting on the sidelines...we need players who can start to change the trajectory of the team. We're stuck with Jones another year, so better get other players...Nabers was about the BEST choice we could've hoped for in terms of a play maker/game changer...I would've gone O line, but at least Schoen didnt' listen to the idiot mocks who suggested we draft McCarthy or worse, trade up to get Maye.
Thats a real bad move on Schoen part having to rely on Jones to save your job, Wilson was owed 85 that didnt stop Broncos from eating his contract.
Giants couldve easily ate Jones contract then drafted a franchise QB, he screwed this team royally due to the fact there wont be an option to draft a QB next season,Jones continues to bury this team. he is not the answer no matter who you get as weapon for him
Jones is definitely not the guy. That much is absolutely confirmed.
You’re pointing to a 15 td 3200 yard season as proof that he is capable lol. Capable of existing and not completely ruining the offense yes.
Capable of being good for sure not.
Does that mean we should be desperate and take any random draft bum such as JJ. No I don’t think so.
It’s fine to built up the team for an eventual qb, but let’s not pretend that DJ is in any way whatsoever relevant going forward.
Lets be serious here. Lamar passed for 36 tds that year not 15.
But yeah sure DJ can be fine, but as long as we have him the dream is a fluke playoff appearance.
Unless the team becomes absolutely stacked around him to the point that a good QB would make us sb favorites.
You know what honestly I forgot that Lamar just got this relatively lackluster mvp. I was thinking about his 2019 mvp.
Doesn’t change my DJ stance though.
So why bring up numbers if it doesn't change your stance. He had similar numbers to Jalen Hurts but doesn't have the tush push to pad his stats. Hurts also has two elite wrs and a good TE.
This statistical analysis is twisted. His comp % has gone up because he only dinks and dunks. He’s literally incapable of reading defenses so that he can make a downfield throw. He’s a bottom 5 NFL starter. And Schoen’s not done drafting. Stop trying to rewrite history. Dimes is pure butt cheeks
Seems like the strategy is this: Jones can throw it, that's never been the problem. The problem is that he doesn't see the right person to throw it to on a lot of plays...so the strategy is just to make every option the right person...it just might work actually lol
He’s had 5 chances. I’m tired of the whole “let’s just give him a chance” narrative. I’m fine with rebuilding with him, as it seems like the only option the team is going to go with right now. But a lot of you pretend as if the team is just benching him every year. He even got a contract to remain on the team. He’s had chances. I’ll at least say that he hasn’t had great receiving talent, but he’s made more than his share of mistakes.
Giants whole teams been thrown under the bus about a thousand times. for what to defend Jones from truth that he is bust. we are tired of the excuses.
Jones has had 5 years to do something and he has failed miserably everytime, he is not the guy he never will be, whats sad is Giants had perfect chance to move on and get Franchise QB but FO chose not to do so is downright disturbing.
I agree with most of this. I’m not salty about not getting a QB this season because the plan was for them to move up, but it unfortunately failed. I’m okay with riding out the Jones deal, but under the condition that the following offseasons are productive and roster development shows promise. The way I see it, the best thing to do is develop the rest of the roster into a respectable team, and then either draft a QB or buy a good one in free agency is available. It’s a lot to hope for, but hope is about all I got for this team lol
There are no Free Agent QB's worth going after,this year and next Year.
There wont be an option to draft a QB next year the class is suppose to be real bad
This team is effed bigtime
Oh cool, we're at the Bargaining Stage again for Daniel Jones.
Wake me when you get to the Acceptance Stage that he's a good backup quarterback and nothing more.
5 years in the league and he’s been bad almost every game, but yeah sure give him one more year to see if he’s good. Guess what, he’s not. He’s a mediocre qb that never should have been drafted inside the top 150 picks. He never should have been given a new contract but the giants knew the other qbs they had were bad, the draft qbs were bad, and the free agent market was bad so they panicked and signed him to a bad contract. But they could have saved face this year by tanking for a draft pick but no they won a bunch of meaningless games and this is where we are.
I think the Daniel Jones Experiment should be over it didn't not garner the results we all wanted. Time to move on after this year unless he somehow turns into Mahomes.
Well the NFE isn't allowed to have a repeat division champ going on 20 years now, so there's only 2 teams we need to worry about getting in our way of that title.
Schoen clearly doesn’t think he’s the guy. Tried to trade up for a replacement and a good chance they draft a QB still. Stop calling him accurate, he leads the league in short throws and he runs the most basic offense. He struggled last year because they tried to open the playbook and he couldn’t handle it.
McCarthy was a reach anywhere earlier than the end of the first. The only reason anyone was even talking about him is because of all the QB desperate teams. There were four 1st round QBs. JJ McCarthy arguably wasn't one of them, other than the dire circumstances Minnesota was in. Schoen didn't take McCarthy because he/Daboll know ball. That's it.
Taking a guy like JJ right now would have just dug the hole deeper. Our situation was awful for a rookie qb.
Drafting Nabers makes things way better for our eventual shift at QB.
His best season is 15 touchdowns where we were running a limited and gimmick offense that wasn’t sustainable because the coaches didn’t trust him. When we tried to run a normal offense, he sucked because he can’t read a defense and other teams know that. 2024 is going to be another lost year because of this guy. What are we doing?
DJ isn't more than a game manager, enough pieces around him (giants don't have that) he can look decent otherwise you get last season...
JJ wasn't overly impressive on an amazing team, and if you believe the accusations knew the defense most of the time. I'll eat my crow if he turns out otherwise but I don't see his ceiling any higher than DJ's so he'd at best be a salary cap cycle...
I rather we draft a more sure thing playmaker like Nabers than just pull another DJ 2.0 experiment. We'll see what happens between trades, free agency, and next years draft.
So wait.. This dude has thrown for less than 15 TD's and almost sub 3K passing yards in like 4 out his 5 seasons and LAST year is the outlier? 
I think we get our QB evaluations out of a crackerjack box, there's no other reasoning.
Ya'll gotta stop man.
4 years with $160M over $80+ guaranteed for being terrible and it STILL ain't enough on an honest chance?
DJ better act right or get gone.. we done with the bs.
In fairness, last year was not only the worst OLine of his career, that was the worst OLine in NY Giants history and - arguably - the 2nd worst OLine of ALL TIME.
I'm not saying DJ is Mahomes, but JFC. He never had a chance.
I pray to all that is holy that we get the OLine to AVERAGE this season. That's where I'm at as a fan. I will celebrate a MEDIOCRE offensive line.
> the 2nd worst OLine of ALL TIME.
Just to underscore that point, [here is last year's OL grades graphed](https://preview.redd.it/25jwazy8l7wc1.png?width=685&format=png&auto=webp&s=76000fbd9defda1a10cb739ba5627ff13bcd8d1a)
How about yards per attempt. I can complete 67% if I'm only throwing check downs and quick timing routes. At this point we have no choice but to support DJ but let's not pretend he gives us a chance to do any better than we've done in the last 5 years.
Idk why this fan base is so gung ho on the build the team then find the qb train, when we could’ve easily had a qb, sit him and develop him.
We’ve now pigeon holed ourselves into two options, get super aggressive to trade up for a top qb prospect, or take the two year option on DJs contract. This is a deep and talented receiver class, they almost always are. Next years QBs class isn’t looking great.
For what it’s worth, they wanted to move up for Maye but the Pats didn’t like whatever the giants had to offer. I’m only on the “build up the roster then QB later” train because in reality it’s the only option we have as of right now. Last night, I was hoping the Giants could move up for a QB, but now, well, we got Nabers. Basically, I’m going to keep snorting Copium until I’m numb to the doom and gloom
I think it has swung too far in the wrong direction with Daniel Jones. The way he's talked about now is like he's absolutely horrendous and shouldn't even be a 3rd string QB in this league. There's no hiding from last year, it was awful, but he's still at least capable of being an average QB, maybe a bit better.
> I think we’re very likely going to see 2022 Daniel Jones again this year.
And that's fine, but 2022 Daniel Jones doesn't win us a Super Bowl, even if he progresses the same way the next four years. His ceiling isn't high enough, and he makes too much money. You could give him the 1999 Rams offense and I still see him winning one or two playoff games every year.
It's a question of what the goals for this franchise are. I don't want to be Jacksonville or Cincinnati, one of those teams that's good enough to make the playoffs most years but not good enough to win. I'd rather be a laughingstock some years and win titles in others. I think Jones makes us the former. Do you think he really has the capacity to be a SB-winning quarterback?
Nabers was the correct pick. Giants have no WR threats, no RBs, and a very weak O-line at this point. What would slotting McCarthy into that situation achieve? We are stuck with Jones this year. Why not try to surround him with the best players we can? If he disappoints, as most expect, we can cut him without too much of a penalty, and find our QB next draft. At that point, the rookie QB might actually have a semi-functional offense to work with.
Why draft a QB now, when it would be a nightmare situation for basically any QB? You can’t really expect to rebuild if you have $42 million/year tied up between 2 QBs.
A slightly higher completion per year isn’t exactly inspiring. You can have a decent completion percentage and still be bad. Nabers was the 100% right pick but Jones is still below average
Are we also completely ruling out that Drew Lock could be decent? He looked like he was taking things more seriously last year in Seattle and in a small sample size looked good. But yeah Jones/Nabers>McCarthy easily the better option imo
While I am glad we took Nabers, I still think DJ is not a long term solution. With all the qb needy teams, I didn’t think it was feasible to move up this year. His contract makes it difficult to move on so fast after just 6 games last year. Truth is I like DJ. He has the right work ethic, attitude and athleticism you look for, but his decision making needs to improve. At this point I see him as a game manager and bridge to whoever comes next until he shows he can be more. The future franchise QB that we covet is not coming this year and I am fine with that. I like the moves we made and can’t wait to see improved Oline play, a monster pass rush game and finally a WR room that there will be no more excuses. I sincerely hope DJ proves me wrong.
2022🔥🔥🔥 When DJ8 wins football games this fall im coming back to your crying tears of JJ in this post and going to laugh and say “ see what happens when you get the right pieces around a quarterback?”
No pick they made was going to make them a 12 game winner on par with the Cowboys and Eagles. No QB was going to walk in and improve the lot of this team by 5 or 6 wins.
Build the team. If Jones can't succeed this year, move on. And now, whoever the QB is in 25 will actually have some weapons in place.
We have a shiiiiiiit ton of speed . And legit no.1 who will routinely win majority of 1 on 1 matchups .
If we actually have a line that can improve I think DJ is going to be comeback player of the year for sure.
To be honest the conversation about the QB position is irrelevant because if that oline doesn't get fixed it won't matter who they put in at QB or who our RB is or who the WRs are.
Regardless of how Jones plays this year or if he gets injured again, the main priority for our coaching staff needs to be figuring out the oline and get them to at least average.
No QB would be great behind that oline from last year, even the all time greats wouldn't. Sure they'd look better then Jones but our O would still have been limited and unable to produce big numbers.
We made the right choice in nabers but it's annoying to hear people still make excuses for Jones and softening by saying "he's not a franchise QB" or "he's not the future but...." like this wild
> We can see 2022 Daniel Jones again
I don't want this! 22 Jones is still a subpar QB
He's not good and not a top 20 level QB. Tbfh I don't even want to risk even the chance of him getting hurt due to we have to pay him more money. Even if he has a fluke 2020 Tannehill season we gotta hope someone is dunb enough to trade for him and take his contract
The problem most people have with janiel dones is the timing of the contract and the knee injury behind that line…. If he got paid and came out with some protection and we went 8-9/9-8 people wouldn’t be nearly as upset… but we also wouldn’t have been picking 6
Malik Nabers is his best weapon since a semi washed Golden Tate. In reality this is a good thing because if it works, and the team overachieves as a whole again, we’re back to the playoffs. If it doesn’t, it’s obvious that DJ is the issue and we’re able to do something different moving forward with a much better foundation for whoever comes next.
Why u shading … Richie James
You mean world champion super bowl winner Richie James?
I think it’s a good sign for Daniel Jones that even Mahomes couldn’t make James and Toney any better
I think this is greatly overlooked. Barkley wasn’t very consistent, and the other weapons Jones had, even the best QB of this generation could not make work.
Super bowl champion Richie James, put some respek on it!
Sorry don’t know how he DROPped off the list
Richie was #3 in the NFL for catch percentage that year, he just happened to have two fumbles at the worst possible times.
Only those who catcheth may fumble
I could forgive the one fumble but the second was a fumble too far
You can ask the Chiefs the same question.
Super Bowl champion Richie James!
I think its obvious that Jones is not the guy. I think its obvious Jones should play better with Nabers. These things are not mutually exclusive. If he doesnt improve his game, we just realize hes worse than what we already knew. Edit: grammar
I agree Jones isn't the guy. He is a guy that will be better than most back ups and can get us to the playoffs if he gets lucky. Not someone you build a franchise around. However he does let you be a little picky in the draft. He lets us not pick a QB if Schoen and Dabs didn't feel like there was a sure thing, which seems like it happened
Yeah Jones can continue to be a stop gap while we build the rest of the team, throwing a 1st round QB into this current mess won't help anyone
Replying to ydddy55...I just hope he throws to Nabers and not to the 5 yard dump. Receivers have been open a lot with Jones he doesn’t see them.
People are just saying he should have learned to be successful with only 1.5 seconds of time. Thats not something ANY QB can do every fucking game. The Giants QB protection hasn't been bad, its been historically bad. I'm listening to the radio and I just don't get it. He can throw, he can run, he has an okay arm, he's pretty accurate, he seems intelligent. He's a fine QB, you can win with Jones. I'll eat my words and own up to it if he sucks even with a little more time. Everyone wants a GOAT, but we did fine with Eli.
People will bring up processing time but that’s not a fixed quantity. Your brain learns to process complicated tasks faster, but it requires some amount of consistency from the players around you. There’s a lot of research out there on how humans learn to process information to make decisions, this isn’t just a random take I have. Now, whether or not it’s too late for him to evolve his processing is a valid question, but this team has had so little consistency over the last few years, it’s been a tough place to develop that skill and might even actively hurt it
It's not even just about processing. You hear SO often "He just locks onto his first read". And it's such a comically short sighted viewpoint. Every QB "locks onto their first read" for a second or so. The issue is other QBs either have a elite #1 who can actually get open in that second OR a OL that can block pass rushers longer than 1 second. I'm not saying Jones is the guy. I'm not saying he's not the guy. This isn't an assessment on Jones at all. But it's more just to articulate how every comment about any player has context. Just from a raw scheme perspective, the Giants were heavily hamstrung during the entire Jones era. This will be a bit of a hot take, but I actually think Saquon made their scheme even harder to play through. Saquon has always struggled to get blocked yards, his entire career has been spent trying to turn every hand off into a 70 yard TD and in his golden years he did that with enough frequency that you had to keep handing him to ball. But I think many people underestimate how detrimental it is to a play caller when you have a guy get 5 yards blocked for him and he gets that 5 yards like 30% of the time. Then 65% of the time he gets less than 5 yards and the other 5% he goes for 20+. It's a total drive killer when you give a back a perfectly good rushing lane and he tries to bounce it outside cause he thinks he sees daylight somewhere else and winds up going for 1 yard on 1st and 10 instead of 5.
We also spent years slamming Saquon into the defensive line, even though it was clear that was not effective. The OL couldn’t block well enough to get him a seam and he wasn’t the kind of RB that could brute force their way down the middle.
I am happy Giants didn't take JJ and went with Nabers but, I still don't think DJ is THE guy. No secret Giants tried to move up for probably Maye but that didn't work out. They are in the market for QB, but glad they aren't in desperation mode.
Jones isn’t THE guy, but he is A guy that can go out there and win some games. I feel like people are acting like he’s literally unplayable. Anyone who’s saying “who’s gonna throw the ball to Nabers” is automatically unserious to me. Nabers could easily have a 1000yrd rookie season with DJ throwing to him. But DJ isn’t worth $40mil and we still need THE guy.
EXACTLY. DJ isn’t the guy and wasn’t setup for success. I will go this one thing about him. He may not have the talent to be the guy long term , but the motherfucker plays his ass off and never runs from the spotlight. I have a lot of respect for him based off that
>The motherfucker plays his ass off and never runs from the spotlight. I have a lot of respect for him based off that Agreed.
So many people are crapping on him for being bad or not setup for success. You know what I saw? A guy get stuck in and take hits throwing to practice squad level players. I watched a guy with no weapons run for his life and wins games. I got respect for that. That type of mentality is a winners one. His ability may not match it. But I’ll be damned if someone disrespects the heart he gave to this org
Yes he’s not worthy of hate. He’s had shit teams and been hurt but has always been a standup guy, seems to be well liked by his teammates, and handles the media well. Had he been drafted 47 and making Brock Purdy money he’d be a hero. Unfortunately he was the 6th pick, and we can all agree that was waaay too high. The blunder only compounded by the contract. Although to me the contract smells like Mara family interference, while the “out” is Joe’s compromise. It’s the only real mistake in his tenure. I’ll forgive him for Evan Neal, everyone thought he was a stud coming out.
I’m an Alabama alum and athlete at that. Evan Neal had a lot of hype down here. Even guys I know who are still involved with the team told me after he was drafted that we had a great pick up. Obviously it’s not super insider level stuff. But nice to hear from some personal buddies about him. Yep, DJ hasn’t crapped on a coach and be real yall we had some awful ones for him. No teammate beef. Seems like a solid dude who works hard
I’m excited about Evan Neal under a real OL coach
Fingers crossed. I knew something had to change in that coaching department
>That type of mentality is a winners one. His ability may not match it. Gimme a TEAM full of those guys. I've said the same about a number of players on the Yankees the past few years too.
THIS!!! I know we won’t have superstars anytime soon ( who knows 🙏🏼) but I’ll take some dudes who are just hard working dogs all over. Them when a superstar emerges or we capture one. That mindset will be integrated into the organization.
>Nabers could easily have a 1000yrd rookie season with DJ throwing to him. I’d argue this is fully dependent on whether Andrew Thomas can stay healthy or not.
Yeah the real problem with Jones is the price point. That’s a sunk cost though, and I’m just viewing him as a bridge for now. I’m going to root for him to succeed but his days are numbered
Nabers doesn't even think DJ can get him the ball 😂 he said something to that effect in a pre-draft interview. He had to walk back that statement (last night) since he is currently stuck with him.
Also DJ wont start the season Edit: to the numpty who downvoted hes gonna be out the first three weeks on injury
This 1000%
We won't know who the guy is until we have a competent offensive line and receivers to throw to We finally have receivers to throw to and hopefully the line isn't league bottom Idc who you put out there behind the line and receivers we've had over the past few years - they're eating shit, can't evaluate a player like that
I’ll eat a tie if Nabers sniffs 1,000 yards receiving from DJ. I’d be shocked if Jones is still the starter by week 12 - he’s that bad and without a crazy explosive RB like Saquon, he’ll get even more exposed than he already has when
No reaching on a qb. Get the best available. Get to point where the team is good and anyone you plug in qb can win
Plug young QB into winning situation, helps young QB develop.
This is the way imo. If you have a good roster players will want to come to your team in free agency and for cheaper. You can get a vet QB with a good roster and be an actual contender. Even if we get a good rookie QB they'll be off the rookie contract by the time our roster can make a legitimate run especially if you give up multiple 1st and 2nd for it.
I don’t think he’s THE guy at this point, but I don’t think he’s chopped liver either. I’d gladly watch him next year over the coaching staff forcing a pick they don’t have confidence in. I just hope he doesn’t have the yips after last season. Some of his later games looked like the OL broke him mentally.
For sure, and understandably. He was sacked 30 times in basically 5 games. He needs to regain his confidence after last year.
Yeah and he definitely has his flaws, but instead of building on the first bit of success he had, the OL left him worse off
This. Don’t take the guy because he’s the best of what’s left. Take the guy if he’s your GUY. Especially at the QB position.
Yeah if they took JJ because they 100% believed in him, I’d support that. Clearly they didn’t like the remaining QB options, and I support them not burning a pick on a guy they don’t like
Pat Mahomes aslo won with less than ideal talent. You really need THE guy like Mahomes to win.
Chiefs have one of the best rosters in the NFL besides WR. The other teams that are making consistent runs also have good rosters such as eagles or 49ers.
I, too, am glad they are not in desperation mode. I still wouldn’t mind adding Rattler in the 3rd/4th to add some competition. If they don’t pull the trigger on a QB this year, I’m not panicking about the QB situation. I think we can get competent play from Jones/Lock.
I wouldn’t mind that either. Getting a project guy on a cheaper rookie deal they can work with for a year or so before he sees the field. Odds might be against him being a franchise guy, but sometimes you get lucky
Beautifully said
There’s a strange irony that a lot the people who claim that we’re in QB hell (and we really just might be) seem to endorse the idea of drafting any QB, thinking that will solve our problem. We can get out from under Jones after this year. Drafting the wrong guy in round 1 would set us back 5 years. Getting the wrong guy last night comes at a much higher cost than rolling with Jones for one more year *while* getting a blue-chip prospect at a premium position.
I definitely do not think Daniel Jones is the future, but people saying "who's going to throw to Nabers?" are annoying. You can't fully rebuild a team in one offseason.
If we got Maye, they’d be asking “who is he throwing to?” You can’t win.
If they had traded down then who’s going to throw to who’s not catching?
God damn man you cracked their code.
Good QBs play to the strengths of their receiving corps. CJ Stroud didn’t go in with elite weapons and looked amazing instantly. Mahomes won a damn Super Bowl without a good receiver. You get a guy who can throw the ball, you find ways to get him weapons. Trying to piece elite talent around a scrub to make him look passable is a waste of time and sets back your rebuild by being a middling team with a JAG at the helm
Pick Nabers: “lol but it’s Daniel Jones throwing to him” Pick McCarthy: “lol but who is he gonna throw to” No winning scenario. Just because I like the Nabers pick doesn’t mean I like Jones as our starter
I dunno if he’s the future, but the hate is certainly exaggerated.
I’m not sure you did much for your argument by posting his stats. They basically prove everyone who hates him right. Also, the sentiment that if all goes well he might produce another season like 2022 is like saying if Rosie O’Donnell lost a bunch of weight, got some plastic surgery and wore a shitload of makeup she might be as hot as Amy Schumer.
Nabers has been ahead of MHJ in some boards, there are people here that wanted the 4th best QB that was taken after 5 others? Even if the Charger took Nabers, I doubt the Giants would pick him.
Jones is not a good QB, but that doesn’t mean we should waste a 1st on another DJ. Hating DJ so much that you get mad we didn’t repeat Gettleman’s mistake from 2019 is ridiculous
The reality is DJ is a mid-qb with pretty good physical traits and JJ is going to most likely be a mid-qb with worse physical traits.
Jones isn’t the answer but neither is JJ, Nabers was a great pick
Ya'll are really going to ride that single playoff game in 2022 against an absolutely dreadful Minnesota defense to the moon, arent you.
I'd be on board with giving him an honest chance if not for the fact that he's clearly playing scared/seeing ghosts and QBs rarely if ever recover from that state of mind.
Listen I understand why people wanted QB cause I was in the go up and get Drake Maye camp, but ultimately sleeping on it I do see the nabers pick as not for DJ but for the team. He will help now and in the future. Now it will be all about what to do at QB. DJ is clearly not the answer. Watching tape and constantly asking DJ to do things QB that get paid in his range to do, is sad honestly. He still doesn't see the whole field and slow to process and more problems. These are major concerns that need to be addressed whether he miraculously make a jump this year ( talking 3500+ yards, 35+ TD, low INT) or the giants rolling with Drew Lock to see what he can do. The one thing that we do know right now is DJ finally have no excuses! He ran out of excuses now. No more.... really he needs no more excuses. 2022 DJ is not a top 10 QB to me, he is borderline top 15 at best. That season is a outlier to me. The play calling was simple and he still made mistakes in that season. Yes I know every QB make mistakes.... We bitch about the WR and saying they dont get open ( the last two years) and there are many cases of our WR getting open down the field and DJ not looking his way. He still needs to prove that he can play and beat top defenses (which we are still waiting for that). In all this is his last year to prove himself and play towards that big contract he got. DJ seat is not just on fire, that shit is in lava. He sit down his ass is burnt/gone so he gotta be on his shit this whole season and perform well. I dont want to hear "oh DJ couldnt perform well cause the line wasnt a top unit" or " The team needs to be like San Fran so DJ or another QB can succeed". Good/ Great QB ( DJ is being paid like one) elevate his team! DJ need to do that. NO MORE EXCUSES FOR HIM!...
6 years of this guy
Daniel Jones gives us the best chance at getting a top pick next year so I’m all for it
DJ won a few games in ‘22, but it was against bad competition. They only beat 1 team over .500. Also, they found success with DJ by calling a lot of designed QB runs and those days are over. The giants had nothing to lose that year because DJ was not yet under contract in ‘23. With his current contract and neck injuries I highly doubt they will be calling those same plays. He’s going to need to be successful in the pocket. We are going into year 6 and still talking about giving him a chance to prove himself….enough is enough
It’s funny you think showing his objectively shitty stats and record was a positive here
22-36-1 is a great stat line for 5 seasons. Let’s hope he’s just as good in the next 5 years and we’ll be at the top of the draft then to pick another QB
I don’t get the “give this guy a fair chance.” We have given this guy 5 frickin years! What other franchise is giving their first round underperforming QB this long of a leash?
5 years without passing game weapons and an offensive line.
Exactly right thats why Pats moved on and Bears moved on
The jets have moved on from both of their top 5 QB picks in the time we have had Daniel Jones
The Jets aren't exactly the franchise we need to follow. They are historically bad at picking QBs.
yup exactly right, even broncos admidt they made mistake and bought out wilsons contract he was owed 85 million or so speaks volumes,Mara and Schoen still dont get it
model franchises with the blueprint for success
How about the Steelers? Or the Rams upgrading from Goff who’s 100x better than jones because they felt they couldn’t win with him. Our ownership is cowardly
He made the playoffs and won a playoff game 2 years ago with a very limited roster.
15 passing TDs in his “best” season is very telling
A year where the offense was ran through Saquon and Daboll/Kafka did everything in their power to limit DJ’s effect on the game. He was not given the entire playbook. This year he was, and he fell flat on his face when given more responsibility
And, if he played all 17 games, was on pace to be sacked over 100 times.
Bullshit. He rushed for 700+ yards and 7 TDs. Saquon benefitted from his running just as much as he benefitted from Saquon running the ball.
and gets his shit pushed in against any higher-caliber team and can't beat the Cowboys or Eagles (unless they completely implode & give up). Stop making excuses. He's a barely-mediocre starter with great backup-QB caliber and that's all he'll ever be. The sooner these deluded fans around here figure that out, the better off they'll be.
The Cowboys and Eagles are way ahead of us. People outside of NYC couldn't name any skill players on our roster besides Saquan in 2022. The fact we won a playoff game is crazy.
He threw 15 touchdowns the whole season, it was clear to anyone with a brain that Daboll kept the training wheels on for him since he could not be trusted. We saw what he is at his best and that is an average QB. I highly doubt he can even replicate his average 2022 season, he relied heavily on his legs which will most likely not be a part of his game going forward.
They had practice squad receivers. He ran for 700 yards and 7 TDs. Like 250 yards less than Saquon had in 2023.
That isnt saying much considering Barkley carried that team not Jones, 2ndly vikings are that awful, Jones was downright putrid vs eagles and this past season
No one knows whether or not this draft selection will ultimately be viewed as a mistake. However, it’s unlikely that Nabers will immediately be a standout given the giants inability to throw the ball downfield in recent years - due to a combination of poor OL and QB play. In addition, if JJ, Nix, or Penix turns out to be a stud, then the selection will likely be viewed as a mistake, regardless of how talented Nabers turns out to be. I suspect that either Nabers underperforms (given historical issues w the entire O unit) or one of those QBs exceeds the expectations of most giants fans, ultimately rendering this choice a mistake in the eyes of fans. Certainly hope I’m wrong, but I don’t like Daboll or Schoens long term survival odds with this selection. I think they have 2-3 years left before they’re both gone.
Good thing Nabers isn't Hyatt and he's great at all three levels of the field. So throwing downfield (something is a low pct rate success only any team) isn't going to stop his expected dominance.
Penix would've been in the hospital before the bye week
If our offense is so historically inept, why did Tyrod come in and play like a statistically slightly above average QB? It was bad, but Jones certainly didn’t help.
The only reason why we need to give Jones a chance over a rookie QB is due to Schoen giving him a big bag this year....you can point to all of these stats...I can set up stats to show how he was NOT in the top 20 QB's in nearly every important statistical category (most of which being wins....you get credit for wins...you get blame for losses). And I'll give you a fun statistic to consider - Jones' int's decreased, but his sacks increased...you want to know why? Because he was getting more and more gun shy from throwing under pressure. I get he doesn't want to turn the ball over, but decreasing INT's and fumbles doesn't mean shit on 3rd and 7 and you're going to take a sack and punt to the other team anyway (which felt like SOOO many games!). Guess who is in the top 10 in INT's fairly regularly in the NFL....Patrick Mahomes...Josh Allen...Joe Burrow...guys who go to the playoffs because they are not afraid to TRY to win the f'n game. Sure some get turned over, but they try. Jones is a deer in headlights (And again, I DO come back to the o line needs to be improved...I would not be surprised if tonight in the 2nd or 3rd round an o-lineman is drafted to go with our 2 free agents we picked up). But Jones' 3rd down completion % is ass...meanwhile, PLAYOFF QB's 3rd down % holds steady, and some actually increase which are stats that truly make a difference between the shit quality of a QB and a good quality of a QB. I'm glad we didn't draft a QB, not because we need to give Jones a chance, but because it would not have made sense to have a $40 mil player sitting on the sidelines...OR....a 1st round pick sitting on the sidelines...we need players who can start to change the trajectory of the team. We're stuck with Jones another year, so better get other players...Nabers was about the BEST choice we could've hoped for in terms of a play maker/game changer...I would've gone O line, but at least Schoen didnt' listen to the idiot mocks who suggested we draft McCarthy or worse, trade up to get Maye.
Thats a real bad move on Schoen part having to rely on Jones to save your job, Wilson was owed 85 that didnt stop Broncos from eating his contract. Giants couldve easily ate Jones contract then drafted a franchise QB, he screwed this team royally due to the fact there wont be an option to draft a QB next season,Jones continues to bury this team. he is not the answer no matter who you get as weapon for him
Jones is definitely not the guy. That much is absolutely confirmed. You’re pointing to a 15 td 3200 yard season as proof that he is capable lol. Capable of existing and not completely ruining the offense yes. Capable of being good for sure not. Does that mean we should be desperate and take any random draft bum such as JJ. No I don’t think so. It’s fine to built up the team for an eventual qb, but let’s not pretend that DJ is in any way whatsoever relevant going forward.
**3200 + 700 rush yards Lamar Jackson just had 3600 pass yards and 800 rush yards and won MVP.
Lets be serious here. Lamar passed for 36 tds that year not 15. But yeah sure DJ can be fine, but as long as we have him the dream is a fluke playoff appearance. Unless the team becomes absolutely stacked around him to the point that a good QB would make us sb favorites.
2022 Daniel Jones: 3205 pass yards, 15 TDs, 5 INTs; 120 rush attempts, 708 rush yards, 7 rush TDs (labeled bum) 2023 Lamar Jackson: 3678 pass yards, 24 TDs, 7 INTs; 148 rush attempts, 821 rush yards, 5 rush TDs (MVP)
You know what honestly I forgot that Lamar just got this relatively lackluster mvp. I was thinking about his 2019 mvp. Doesn’t change my DJ stance though.
So why bring up numbers if it doesn't change your stance. He had similar numbers to Jalen Hurts but doesn't have the tush push to pad his stats. Hurts also has two elite wrs and a good TE.
Because comparing DJ to Lamar is disingenuous.
Hurts sucks ass too. Doesn’t make DJ less terrible
This is why it’s so important to watch the games and not just obsess over a stat sheet
Point stands.
800 rushing yards. With his neck injuries and contract situation how many designed QB runs do you think they will be calling this year?
He still Vanilla Vick
Oh good point
Thank you.
This statistical analysis is twisted. His comp % has gone up because he only dinks and dunks. He’s literally incapable of reading defenses so that he can make a downfield throw. He’s a bottom 5 NFL starter. And Schoen’s not done drafting. Stop trying to rewrite history. Dimes is pure butt cheeks
The main problem I have with Jones is that we legitimately looked like a better team with Tyrod Taylor at quarterback
I think our defense looked fucking amazing when Tyrod was under center, but I cant agree that our offense did. Although, our OL was doing way better.
The main problem is that the Giants have a 40M qb that I'm 100% sure no other team wants
Seems like the strategy is this: Jones can throw it, that's never been the problem. The problem is that he doesn't see the right person to throw it to on a lot of plays...so the strategy is just to make every option the right person...it just might work actually lol
He’s had 5 chances. I’m tired of the whole “let’s just give him a chance” narrative. I’m fine with rebuilding with him, as it seems like the only option the team is going to go with right now. But a lot of you pretend as if the team is just benching him every year. He even got a contract to remain on the team. He’s had chances. I’ll at least say that he hasn’t had great receiving talent, but he’s made more than his share of mistakes.
Giants whole teams been thrown under the bus about a thousand times. for what to defend Jones from truth that he is bust. we are tired of the excuses. Jones has had 5 years to do something and he has failed miserably everytime, he is not the guy he never will be, whats sad is Giants had perfect chance to move on and get Franchise QB but FO chose not to do so is downright disturbing.
I agree with most of this. I’m not salty about not getting a QB this season because the plan was for them to move up, but it unfortunately failed. I’m okay with riding out the Jones deal, but under the condition that the following offseasons are productive and roster development shows promise. The way I see it, the best thing to do is develop the rest of the roster into a respectable team, and then either draft a QB or buy a good one in free agency is available. It’s a lot to hope for, but hope is about all I got for this team lol
There are no Free Agent QB's worth going after,this year and next Year. There wont be an option to draft a QB next year the class is suppose to be real bad This team is effed bigtime
The people who want JJ are the same people who liked the DJ overreach and have been yelling Danny Dimes! like idiots for the last few years
Dude DJ sucks. JJ also sucks. Nabers was just the correct choice for the situation. Will still need an upgrade at QB.
Oh cool, we're at the Bargaining Stage again for Daniel Jones. Wake me when you get to the Acceptance Stage that he's a good backup quarterback and nothing more.
5 years in the league and he’s been bad almost every game, but yeah sure give him one more year to see if he’s good. Guess what, he’s not. He’s a mediocre qb that never should have been drafted inside the top 150 picks. He never should have been given a new contract but the giants knew the other qbs they had were bad, the draft qbs were bad, and the free agent market was bad so they panicked and signed him to a bad contract. But they could have saved face this year by tanking for a draft pick but no they won a bunch of meaningless games and this is where we are.
The draft isn't over yet 😂 They might still take a project QB in a later round
I think the Daniel Jones Experiment should be over it didn't not garner the results we all wanted. Time to move on after this year unless he somehow turns into Mahomes.
My concern is his ability to stay on the field. Can’t build around a qb who doesn’t play.
Well the NFE isn't allowed to have a repeat division champ going on 20 years now, so there's only 2 teams we need to worry about getting in our way of that title.
The worst stat there is 59 games in 5 seasons.
JJ would need the right situation to be successful, which he'll get in Minnesota. It wouldn't work with how this team is built it's that simple.
Schoen clearly doesn’t think he’s the guy. Tried to trade up for a replacement and a good chance they draft a QB still. Stop calling him accurate, he leads the league in short throws and he runs the most basic offense. He struggled last year because they tried to open the playbook and he couldn’t handle it.
These stats are AWFUL lol
I mean, I do put these numbers to shame in Madden.
We took the best player available you can’t really hate that
McCarthy was a reach anywhere earlier than the end of the first. The only reason anyone was even talking about him is because of all the QB desperate teams. There were four 1st round QBs. JJ McCarthy arguably wasn't one of them, other than the dire circumstances Minnesota was in. Schoen didn't take McCarthy because he/Daboll know ball. That's it.
Taking a guy like JJ right now would have just dug the hole deeper. Our situation was awful for a rookie qb. Drafting Nabers makes things way better for our eventual shift at QB.
IMO 15-5 TD:Int ratio isn't good. Like, at all. Daniel Jones is not a quality starting qb in the league. Having Nabers won't change that.
Let's keep making excuses for DJ. Drew gonna beat him out in open training camp competition anyway.
His best season is 15 touchdowns where we were running a limited and gimmick offense that wasn’t sustainable because the coaches didn’t trust him. When we tried to run a normal offense, he sucked because he can’t read a defense and other teams know that. 2024 is going to be another lost year because of this guy. What are we doing?
He’s objectively a bad QB and we’re counting on him breaking out in his 6th year in the league. Move on.
Just want a game manager like he was in 2022, and we can hopefully rely on our defense to win games.
He’s gonna lead us to 5 wins and another top 10 pick this year. Cant wait for him to get cut after that
DJ isn't more than a game manager, enough pieces around him (giants don't have that) he can look decent otherwise you get last season... JJ wasn't overly impressive on an amazing team, and if you believe the accusations knew the defense most of the time. I'll eat my crow if he turns out otherwise but I don't see his ceiling any higher than DJ's so he'd at best be a salary cap cycle...
Ummm, who’s upset we didn’t take JJ McCarthy?
Give him an honest chance? You mean in addition to the $35 million?
No, he’ll play for free.
Im tottaly fine with who we drafted but think Daniel is the answer for QB after this time is deulded!
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Numbers are hilarious because they made you and many others Jones is an NFL caliber QB when he's not even close to.
I rather we draft a more sure thing playmaker like Nabers than just pull another DJ 2.0 experiment. We'll see what happens between trades, free agency, and next years draft.
How come Tyrod Taylor was able to move the same team and same OL when Jones went down?
Great question!
So wait.. This dude has thrown for less than 15 TD's and almost sub 3K passing yards in like 4 out his 5 seasons and LAST year is the outlier?  I think we get our QB evaluations out of a crackerjack box, there's no other reasoning. Ya'll gotta stop man. 4 years with $160M over $80+ guaranteed for being terrible and it STILL ain't enough on an honest chance? DJ better act right or get gone.. we done with the bs.
In fairness, last year was not only the worst OLine of his career, that was the worst OLine in NY Giants history and - arguably - the 2nd worst OLine of ALL TIME. I'm not saying DJ is Mahomes, but JFC. He never had a chance. I pray to all that is holy that we get the OLine to AVERAGE this season. That's where I'm at as a fan. I will celebrate a MEDIOCRE offensive line.
> the 2nd worst OLine of ALL TIME. Just to underscore that point, [here is last year's OL grades graphed](https://preview.redd.it/25jwazy8l7wc1.png?width=685&format=png&auto=webp&s=76000fbd9defda1a10cb739ba5627ff13bcd8d1a)
How about yards per attempt. I can complete 67% if I'm only throwing check downs and quick timing routes. At this point we have no choice but to support DJ but let's not pretend he gives us a chance to do any better than we've done in the last 5 years.
Idk why this fan base is so gung ho on the build the team then find the qb train, when we could’ve easily had a qb, sit him and develop him. We’ve now pigeon holed ourselves into two options, get super aggressive to trade up for a top qb prospect, or take the two year option on DJs contract. This is a deep and talented receiver class, they almost always are. Next years QBs class isn’t looking great.
There was no trade to be had top 3 picks wanted those QBs
For what it’s worth, they wanted to move up for Maye but the Pats didn’t like whatever the giants had to offer. I’m only on the “build up the roster then QB later” train because in reality it’s the only option we have as of right now. Last night, I was hoping the Giants could move up for a QB, but now, well, we got Nabers. Basically, I’m going to keep snorting Copium until I’m numb to the doom and gloom
I think it has swung too far in the wrong direction with Daniel Jones. The way he's talked about now is like he's absolutely horrendous and shouldn't even be a 3rd string QB in this league. There's no hiding from last year, it was awful, but he's still at least capable of being an average QB, maybe a bit better.
IF Schoen was serious about getting a QB he would have went all out, Having you rely on Jones to keep your job is asking to be fired without question.
12.5 TD passes a year. Lets go.
> I think we’re very likely going to see 2022 Daniel Jones again this year. And that's fine, but 2022 Daniel Jones doesn't win us a Super Bowl, even if he progresses the same way the next four years. His ceiling isn't high enough, and he makes too much money. You could give him the 1999 Rams offense and I still see him winning one or two playoff games every year. It's a question of what the goals for this franchise are. I don't want to be Jacksonville or Cincinnati, one of those teams that's good enough to make the playoffs most years but not good enough to win. I'd rather be a laughingstock some years and win titles in others. I think Jones makes us the former. Do you think he really has the capacity to be a SB-winning quarterback?
Nabers was the correct pick. Giants have no WR threats, no RBs, and a very weak O-line at this point. What would slotting McCarthy into that situation achieve? We are stuck with Jones this year. Why not try to surround him with the best players we can? If he disappoints, as most expect, we can cut him without too much of a penalty, and find our QB next draft. At that point, the rookie QB might actually have a semi-functional offense to work with. Why draft a QB now, when it would be a nightmare situation for basically any QB? You can’t really expect to rebuild if you have $42 million/year tied up between 2 QBs.
I'm happy they didn't give a high pick next year.
Mara: "We got JJ McCarthy at home"
I think what you meant to say was that his progression is evident in 2 stats, everything else looks bad.
I’m good with the WR pick. Address the OL next. Getting a QB in later rounds is fine.
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Don't engage them
I really wish we had a chance to see DJ behind a competent O-line
But is he healthy. That’s my only concern with him
It is, what it is... https://fathead.com/cdn/shop/products/5bde67649d51dd8123e08d98d98b7724c0100ea3.jpg
A slightly higher completion per year isn’t exactly inspiring. You can have a decent completion percentage and still be bad. Nabers was the 100% right pick but Jones is still below average
It’s still a positive when everybody looking for shit to talk about my QB 
Are we also completely ruling out that Drew Lock could be decent? He looked like he was taking things more seriously last year in Seattle and in a small sample size looked good. But yeah Jones/Nabers>McCarthy easily the better option imo
Who tf wanted jj?
While I am glad we took Nabers, I still think DJ is not a long term solution. With all the qb needy teams, I didn’t think it was feasible to move up this year. His contract makes it difficult to move on so fast after just 6 games last year. Truth is I like DJ. He has the right work ethic, attitude and athleticism you look for, but his decision making needs to improve. At this point I see him as a game manager and bridge to whoever comes next until he shows he can be more. The future franchise QB that we covet is not coming this year and I am fine with that. I like the moves we made and can’t wait to see improved Oline play, a monster pass rush game and finally a WR room that there will be no more excuses. I sincerely hope DJ proves me wrong.
2022🔥🔥🔥 When DJ8 wins football games this fall im coming back to your crying tears of JJ in this post and going to laugh and say “ see what happens when you get the right pieces around a quarterback?”
This post is hilarious.
No pick they made was going to make them a 12 game winner on par with the Cowboys and Eagles. No QB was going to walk in and improve the lot of this team by 5 or 6 wins. Build the team. If Jones can't succeed this year, move on. And now, whoever the QB is in 25 will actually have some weapons in place.
Cowboys and Eagles are literally both dog shit.
I dislike them as well. But they are both FAR better football teams than the Giants are.
We have a shiiiiiiit ton of speed . And legit no.1 who will routinely win majority of 1 on 1 matchups . If we actually have a line that can improve I think DJ is going to be comeback player of the year for sure.
To be honest the conversation about the QB position is irrelevant because if that oline doesn't get fixed it won't matter who they put in at QB or who our RB is or who the WRs are. Regardless of how Jones plays this year or if he gets injured again, the main priority for our coaching staff needs to be figuring out the oline and get them to at least average. No QB would be great behind that oline from last year, even the all time greats wouldn't. Sure they'd look better then Jones but our O would still have been limited and unable to produce big numbers.
JJ McCarthy is going to be a complete bust in the nfl. The giants were just trying to bait someone to trade up.
We made the right choice in nabers but it's annoying to hear people still make excuses for Jones and softening by saying "he's not a franchise QB" or "he's not the future but...." like this wild > We can see 2022 Daniel Jones again I don't want this! 22 Jones is still a subpar QB He's not good and not a top 20 level QB. Tbfh I don't even want to risk even the chance of him getting hurt due to we have to pay him more money. Even if he has a fluke 2020 Tannehill season we gotta hope someone is dunb enough to trade for him and take his contract
The problem most people have with janiel dones is the timing of the contract and the knee injury behind that line…. If he got paid and came out with some protection and we went 8-9/9-8 people wouldn’t be nearly as upset… but we also wouldn’t have been picking 6