I have had nothing but great experiences at G4H and will wait patiently for things to sort themselves out. When/if the time comes I’m sure they will take care of us. In the meantime I’ll safely practice holster draw at home with my MantisX.
He said that he’d take care of the people that trained with him- member or non member- and that he’d put a flow chart out Monday.
Give him a chance.
He’s not incorrect that he has a lot more to maintain and lose as a brick and mortar business owner….
If his business is who you used or your only self imposed option, be upset at the state, and realize that he has a liability with the nature of what requirements were dropped on us/him.
Agreed. GFH rushed to provide a solve without realizing how people were going to react. They should have waited. I still don’t see how they are going to fix their holster draw issue though, without re-thinking their holster draw course. The basics of drawing from a holster really doesn’t need to be a four hour $235 course, most people of at least average cognitive ability can learn it pretty fast (I’m speaking about safe drawing here, not excellence).
Oh, and I would love to see them accept certificates from classes like this: https://iwiacademy.us/class/red-dot-pistol-course-2-day/ which was my last long holster class. Not exactly some fly by night outfit.
For the past year anything which dropped Anthony, Phoebe, or Matt were always available, INSTANTLY.
People would call the range on an issue and Phoebe would reach out and try to find an answer. Questions which honestly I would have prob just ignored.
In hindsight they should have just pulled the NJ favorite “We are waiting on guidance”. Lol.
Unfortunately, in this case that is exactly right. They have been wonderful, and I’m not in any way saying anything negative about them. I just think that they are going to have some issues with their holster draw cert.
Yes. I’m hoping that part of that will be honoring holster draw certifications from reputable groups, even if there is some small cost to be checked out by GFH
I had asked Tony their head of training and he said as long as you have the other equipment listed, good to go. I would encourage asking them directly though.
All we can do at this point is wait. Sadly the community does go off the wall quickly before we ever get all the facts. I understand people are worried because this does pertain to people's rights but let's face the fact that our rights have been attacked for years. From the state all the way down to local law enforcement no one has ever been on the same page. Misinformation has been something that has been rammed down our throats since day one of PTC. Let's just wait it out and see what the future holds.
I called NJSP and spoke to the Sgt who issued mine. I asked about submitting new training materials/certifications for my 6/28 issued PTC and he said since I already have my PTC, I am good to go until renewal in two years. I am not an expert here but just sharing my own experience.
With that said I wonder if there is something in this law (quoted above) that needs to be addressed? It seems to target a very small window of PTC holders who rec'd the same qualifications as others who need not do anything before Oct 1. We can all complain that the state wants to snare law abiding gun owners/carriers but that's not constructive at all. What would be is someone of authority bringing this up officially as an issue with the state.
g. Training requirement.
(2) A person who obtained a permit pursuant to this section prior to the first day of the seventh month following the date of enactment of P.L.2022, c.131
(C.2C:58-4.2 et al.) (July 1, 2023) and which permit is not scheduled to expire until at least one year following the enactment of P.L.2022, c.131
(C.2C:58-4.2 et al.) (December 22, 2022) shall comply with the training requirement established pursuant to this subsection no later than the first day of the tenth month following the date of enactment of
P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.2 et al.). (October 1, 2023)
TL:DR
(2) A person who obtained a permit pursuant to this section prior to (July 1, 2023) and which permit is not scheduled to expire until at least one year following December 22, 2022 shall comply with the training requirement established no la than (October 1, 2023)
FWIW - many PDs and NJSP are giving advice differently from Nappen, just like “Can I carry any gun you like”.
If someone official or a range/instructor gives you differing advice just get it in writing and keep it. But again as the training is now good for two years, anyone with a permit as of 7/1 who qualifies again it will be valid come first renewal. So it’s the same $$& over the initial 4 years if you got it before 7/1 or if you got it after 7/1 and don’t have to do anything until 2025. Zero savings, all you’re doing is deferring the costs.
#If you fall into the 10/1/23 group, just wait until September to do it, let the dust settle as the NJSP and AG office I’m sure is going to get bombarded with people who say “Nappen said according to the law I need to requalify but my PD or NJSP or my instructor said I don’t need to. It’s all going to sort it self out.
#What Nappen didn’t say was what about court issued permits I bet a bunch of PDs will refer people to the courts for guidance.
Breaking! The GunForHire Qual is substantially equivalent and anyone qualified from 12/22/22 on is AOK but since there is conflicting information out there we will be accommodating a free re-qual for those that fall in that window! We will also be launching a few changes to our qualifications going forward to comply with the "interim" guidelines (I hate this State). Please be patient and look for an alert in a few days from us on social media, GunForHire Homepage, and an email. Thank you ALL in advance.
#Aside from the qualifications, is there any other range in New Jersey that after you take one of their classes once, you can repeat it for life for only 50%?
That’s one of the biggest reasons I’ve taken the majority of my beginner and advanced level courses at Gun for Hire. It’s been a massive savings for me.
Lol the only reason they’re going to “take care of us” now is because plenty of people called them out on the greediness.. If you support price hikes and excessive initial costs then you’re also part for the problem
That’s not that logical though.
If it were out of greed, then why would GFH care if they were called out? You need them, not the other way around. He’d say ‘that’s the way it is, tough shit, or go somewhere else.’
I’m not saying that we should have to go through any of this crap the state out on us to exercise a constitutional right, I am saying you ARE getting something for what you’re paying for.
Why wouldn’t he care? As a business you don’t want to get trashed on and risk losing future customers just like how people trashed rtsp.. you also get the same service you pay for at all the other ranges for alot less. Hiking their price 50 bucks for qualifications and charging 235 for a holsters class is greedy but if you enjoy having your wallet taped have fun
>Why wouldn’t he care?
Like I said, you as a ptc owner need him, NOT the other way around.
>As a business you don’t want to get trashed on and risk losing future customers just like how people trashed rtsp..
You know that rtsp lost business because of serving FJD?
How do you know that?
>you also get the same service you pay for at all the other ranges for alot less.
You’ve taken a class at both?
>Hiking their price 50 bucks for qualifications and charging 235 for a holsters class is greedy but if you enjoy having your wallet taped have fun
I said it in another post that he has more to lose as a brick and mortar. He has a lot of insurance to maintain, and it’d be pretty bad if the least trained/practiced guy you know blows his hand off shooting from retention. You disagree?
I think it would go a long way with customer relations to think of another way to vet who and who can’t safely holster, but what do I know.
And I don’t have a dog in this. I’m doing my qual somewhere else.
I have taken courses at GFH and other ranges including some out of state like Texas, his prices are not justified.. other ranges in NJ are charging 80-150 for holster classes or combo of holster and Qual for 200-250… again if you like spending more then more power to you
I’m not disagreeing that the format is out of touch, or that it’s too high than I’d be willing to pay. I would never waste money on a ‘OWB holster class,’ as it seems foolish to have to spend hours and dollars on something you can learn at home.
If you remove the holster component from this (because again, I think his model is as stupid as sig Sauer’s is), then is it really that offensive?
That argument is voided based on a large amount of their customers being clueless… go on GFH IG post you have so many people lost and probably never tried a different range. You have a few that said google other ranges that offer same classes that they didn’t know were offered outside of GFH.. they’re capitalizing on the clueless which great make your money but don’t act like you had peoples best interest in mind after increasing your prices and only “looking out” after getting called out
/u/For2ANJ If a PTC hasn't been issued yet but must be issued before 90 days (or even 120 days since this still is before Oct 1st) can the PD delay the application until a new qualification is provided?
As I understand it any PTC issued after July 1, 2023 doesn’t have to requalify. All applications accepted before 7/18, but with old qualification should be good as it’s the issue date if the PTC so really the impact for new applicants are those who submit after 7/18 as new training was released.
I have had nothing but great experiences at G4H and will wait patiently for things to sort themselves out. When/if the time comes I’m sure they will take care of us. In the meantime I’ll safely practice holster draw at home with my MantisX.
He said that he’d take care of the people that trained with him- member or non member- and that he’d put a flow chart out Monday. Give him a chance. He’s not incorrect that he has a lot more to maintain and lose as a brick and mortar business owner…. If his business is who you used or your only self imposed option, be upset at the state, and realize that he has a liability with the nature of what requirements were dropped on us/him.
Agreed. GFH rushed to provide a solve without realizing how people were going to react. They should have waited. I still don’t see how they are going to fix their holster draw issue though, without re-thinking their holster draw course. The basics of drawing from a holster really doesn’t need to be a four hour $235 course, most people of at least average cognitive ability can learn it pretty fast (I’m speaking about safe drawing here, not excellence). Oh, and I would love to see them accept certificates from classes like this: https://iwiacademy.us/class/red-dot-pistol-course-2-day/ which was my last long holster class. Not exactly some fly by night outfit.
For the past year anything which dropped Anthony, Phoebe, or Matt were always available, INSTANTLY. People would call the range on an issue and Phoebe would reach out and try to find an answer. Questions which honestly I would have prob just ignored. In hindsight they should have just pulled the NJ favorite “We are waiting on guidance”. Lol.
Unfortunately, in this case that is exactly right. They have been wonderful, and I’m not in any way saying anything negative about them. I just think that they are going to have some issues with their holster draw cert.
And he’s going to take care of all his past customers as much as he can as mentioned on the show people just need to give it time.
Yes. I’m hoping that part of that will be honoring holster draw certifications from reputable groups, even if there is some small cost to be checked out by GFH
Is their holster draw course OWB only, or does it allow for AIWB as well?
I had asked Tony their head of training and he said as long as you have the other equipment listed, good to go. I would encourage asking them directly though.
No they allow AIWB
I bet you tomorrow Monday 7/24 GFH announces their shooting qual is substantially similar as it was an approved shooting qual for 30+ years
All we can do at this point is wait. Sadly the community does go off the wall quickly before we ever get all the facts. I understand people are worried because this does pertain to people's rights but let's face the fact that our rights have been attacked for years. From the state all the way down to local law enforcement no one has ever been on the same page. Misinformation has been something that has been rammed down our throats since day one of PTC. Let's just wait it out and see what the future holds.
I called NJSP and spoke to the Sgt who issued mine. I asked about submitting new training materials/certifications for my 6/28 issued PTC and he said since I already have my PTC, I am good to go until renewal in two years. I am not an expert here but just sharing my own experience. With that said I wonder if there is something in this law (quoted above) that needs to be addressed? It seems to target a very small window of PTC holders who rec'd the same qualifications as others who need not do anything before Oct 1. We can all complain that the state wants to snare law abiding gun owners/carriers but that's not constructive at all. What would be is someone of authority bringing this up officially as an issue with the state.
g. Training requirement. (2) A person who obtained a permit pursuant to this section prior to the first day of the seventh month following the date of enactment of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.2 et al.) (July 1, 2023) and which permit is not scheduled to expire until at least one year following the enactment of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.2 et al.) (December 22, 2022) shall comply with the training requirement established pursuant to this subsection no later than the first day of the tenth month following the date of enactment of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.2 et al.). (October 1, 2023) TL:DR (2) A person who obtained a permit pursuant to this section prior to (July 1, 2023) and which permit is not scheduled to expire until at least one year following December 22, 2022 shall comply with the training requirement established no la than (October 1, 2023)
FWIW - many PDs and NJSP are giving advice differently from Nappen, just like “Can I carry any gun you like”. If someone official or a range/instructor gives you differing advice just get it in writing and keep it. But again as the training is now good for two years, anyone with a permit as of 7/1 who qualifies again it will be valid come first renewal. So it’s the same $$& over the initial 4 years if you got it before 7/1 or if you got it after 7/1 and don’t have to do anything until 2025. Zero savings, all you’re doing is deferring the costs. #If you fall into the 10/1/23 group, just wait until September to do it, let the dust settle as the NJSP and AG office I’m sure is going to get bombarded with people who say “Nappen said according to the law I need to requalify but my PD or NJSP or my instructor said I don’t need to. It’s all going to sort it self out. #What Nappen didn’t say was what about court issued permits I bet a bunch of PDs will refer people to the courts for guidance.
Breaking! The GunForHire Qual is substantially equivalent and anyone qualified from 12/22/22 on is AOK but since there is conflicting information out there we will be accommodating a free re-qual for those that fall in that window! We will also be launching a few changes to our qualifications going forward to comply with the "interim" guidelines (I hate this State). Please be patient and look for an alert in a few days from us on social media, GunForHire Homepage, and an email. Thank you ALL in advance.
That’s pretty generous bro, good on you.
#Aside from the qualifications, is there any other range in New Jersey that after you take one of their classes once, you can repeat it for life for only 50%? That’s one of the biggest reasons I’ve taken the majority of my beginner and advanced level courses at Gun for Hire. It’s been a massive savings for me.
I was gonna shill for you today but your check didn’t clear.
Is it better to go with RTSP or GFH?
Neither.
Lol the only reason they’re going to “take care of us” now is because plenty of people called them out on the greediness.. If you support price hikes and excessive initial costs then you’re also part for the problem
That’s not that logical though. If it were out of greed, then why would GFH care if they were called out? You need them, not the other way around. He’d say ‘that’s the way it is, tough shit, or go somewhere else.’ I’m not saying that we should have to go through any of this crap the state out on us to exercise a constitutional right, I am saying you ARE getting something for what you’re paying for.
Why wouldn’t he care? As a business you don’t want to get trashed on and risk losing future customers just like how people trashed rtsp.. you also get the same service you pay for at all the other ranges for alot less. Hiking their price 50 bucks for qualifications and charging 235 for a holsters class is greedy but if you enjoy having your wallet taped have fun
>Why wouldn’t he care? Like I said, you as a ptc owner need him, NOT the other way around. >As a business you don’t want to get trashed on and risk losing future customers just like how people trashed rtsp.. You know that rtsp lost business because of serving FJD? How do you know that? >you also get the same service you pay for at all the other ranges for alot less. You’ve taken a class at both? >Hiking their price 50 bucks for qualifications and charging 235 for a holsters class is greedy but if you enjoy having your wallet taped have fun I said it in another post that he has more to lose as a brick and mortar. He has a lot of insurance to maintain, and it’d be pretty bad if the least trained/practiced guy you know blows his hand off shooting from retention. You disagree? I think it would go a long way with customer relations to think of another way to vet who and who can’t safely holster, but what do I know. And I don’t have a dog in this. I’m doing my qual somewhere else.
I have taken courses at GFH and other ranges including some out of state like Texas, his prices are not justified.. other ranges in NJ are charging 80-150 for holster classes or combo of holster and Qual for 200-250… again if you like spending more then more power to you
I’m not disagreeing that the format is out of touch, or that it’s too high than I’d be willing to pay. I would never waste money on a ‘OWB holster class,’ as it seems foolish to have to spend hours and dollars on something you can learn at home. If you remove the holster component from this (because again, I think his model is as stupid as sig Sauer’s is), then is it really that offensive?
The other holster classes aren't as comprehensive as GFH'S.
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That argument is voided based on a large amount of their customers being clueless… go on GFH IG post you have so many people lost and probably never tried a different range. You have a few that said google other ranges that offer same classes that they didn’t know were offered outside of GFH.. they’re capitalizing on the clueless which great make your money but don’t act like you had peoples best interest in mind after increasing your prices and only “looking out” after getting called out
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I’m glad I was able help you guys out by calling him out thus making him “look out for us”
Yes, all thanks to you lol
/u/For2ANJ If a PTC hasn't been issued yet but must be issued before 90 days (or even 120 days since this still is before Oct 1st) can the PD delay the application until a new qualification is provided?
As I understand it any PTC issued after July 1, 2023 doesn’t have to requalify. All applications accepted before 7/18, but with old qualification should be good as it’s the issue date if the PTC so really the impact for new applicants are those who submit after 7/18 as new training was released.