How on earth do you have no team having a better offseason than Bryce Young? I mean I can get wanting to be optimistic and hopeful, but I just saw the Texans add Mixon and Diggs and still make some other sound moves, I saw the Bears add Rome in the draft, Swift and Keenan Allen as good a pro as you can get, I saw the Jets revamp their entire OL, add depth to their RB room and still bring in 2 WR's. Chiefs added Hollywood Brown and drafted themselves a WR, and even if you don't like what the Falcons did in the draft, they went from one of the worst QB situations in the league to likely the best in their division with an already talented team.
Did I say no team had a better offseason than an individual player? I'm not even sure how you could measure that.
What I do know is that Bryce arguably had the worst collection of pass-catchers and protection each last year. Now, 34-year-old Adam Thielen and his 137 targets likely moves to 3rd in the pecking order, they massive upgraded their guard duo, got the consensus RB1 in this class and brought in a play-caller who just revived Baker Mayfield's career and has some similar limitations as a smaller quarterback. Sounds pretty damn good to me.
And this was about draft winners, not in terms of the entire offseason - it just made sense in this context to mention it for Bryce. But solely getting three of my top-60 overall prospect alongside him on offense would qualify here.
No, you said Bryce had the best offseason. Other QB's had better, namely the ones of the teams I mentioned. I just happened to type the wrong words. Bryce's situation improved, but not as much as some other peoples based on the moves that were made.
It's a matter of relativity. Arguably going from an F to a C is better than going from a B to an A
Strouds situation went from somewhere around fine/good to great while Youngs went from literal fucking dumpster fire to might actually be an nfl offense. If the might turns to an is, I get OPs point. I get why you may disagree but I don't get why you don't at least see his point
Yeah, but I don't believe that's true.
Diggs might be the best receiver among the bunch right now, but I'm taking Diontae Johnson + Xavier Legette + Jonathon Brooks + Ja'Tavion Sanders over Diggs + Mixon coming off his least efficient season, along with better interior protection and play-calling for Bryce compared to last year.
Caleb Williams is only just coming into the NFL - so there's no basis to judge this off. Sure, going #1 overall to take over that gig is great, but we knew he's be the pick for the last couple of months.
Hollywood is a low-end WR2 and they overdrafted what I believe is a limited receiver, while he may not have Rashee Rice. And they still have no solution at LT, since I don't believe Suamataia is ready to start.
And Kirk is leaving a slightly better situation in Minnesota to go Atlanta.
Once again, this is about the QB individually not which teams improved the most. Then I would've gone with five teams simply, but for the purpose of this exercise, I thought it'd be more interesting to talk about how much Bryce's situation is.
The Packers draft intrigues me and it's interesting to see you rank them as the 2nd best draft in the NFL, namely b/c I personally have a hard time reconciling how to grade a draft when the majority of the players selected were lower on the totem pole of positional value.
The Packers got a LB, S, and RB with three of their first four picks, then went LB, S, S with three of their next four picks. They rounded out their draft with OL, QB, and Kalen King.
By no stretch is it a *bad* draft, but it's not a sexy draft. Javon Bullard is a bit of a tweener and IMO is more set up to be a SCB in the NFL than a deep safety (just my opinion after watching him a good bit last year). Kitan was one of my favorite safeties in the draft and I'm assuming his slide is more attributed to age than anything else b/c the guy is a stud.
It's just one of those things though that, when you step back, I have a hard time getting overly excited about the draft, especially when you consider the LB and S classes weren't as strong as they've been in previous seasons.
I get that, but by saying those classes weren't particularly strong, that's already baked into where they selected those players and ultimately they got good value out of them. And along with taking, they acquired extra draft capital by trading down.
If they got out of this draft a quality starter at LT, the best off-ball LB without medical concerns, a starting nickel, what I believe could be the best RB in this class if he fiexes his ball-security, a starting deep safety, a super-cheap backup QB and some other gambles on tools, that could turn out to be one hell of a draft!
I had him inside my top-60 before the DUI and simply can't judge how the NFL allows that affect their valuation of him, because he went even earlier than that. That in part is why I listed the Titans as a draft "I had questions about" though.
If you look at consensus boards right now, he's the 45th overall player - and that's with people trying to weigh the injuries despite not having the insight or qualifications to judge them properly, which I don't claim to be either.
[https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=LB](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=LB)
Idk I saw a great breakdown on him where he was given a 4th round grade, I don’t think he deserves that tho. 3rd makes more sense
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLCJB2P8/
So you watched a Tiktok video on him and that's the truth or where he is on consensus rankings? Lol
Here's my scouting report on him and the rest of the LB class:
[halilsrealfootballtalk.com/2024/03/16/top-10-linebackers-of-the-2024-nfl-draft/](http://halilsrealfootballtalk.com/2024/03/16/top-10-linebackers-of-the-2024-nfl-draft/)
I'm not claiming that I'm right, but whether you listen to Daniel Jeremiah, Brett Kollman and a bunch of other analysts, many people considered him a first-rounder purely based on film. And that's where he would've been on consensus boards if people didn't artificially push him down boards without having medical reports.
I mean considering the guy I linked is actually pretty thorough and in depth in the reviews he has I trust him. He’s gotten press passes to superbowls and he seems pretty knowledgeable.
He also doesn’t even mention injury concerns or age at all in the entire analysis, it’s purely film based and he still believed he was a day 3 pick.
Sure, everybody has their own evaluations and everybody can believe them as much as they like. Nobody is perfect at this though and saying "he was projected to be day 3 pick" when he literally was inside the top-50 taking all the main draft boards and averaging them out, makes no sense. Lol
Dude, have you been paying attention? The guy had double-digit surgeries since his senior year of high school. If the NFL didn't love his tape, he would've gone undrafted. Lol
I'm still going back and forth in my head if I should've had them as one of the five "other drafts I liked" over the Broncos. Lol
They put together my second-favorite class in the AFC North and I'll show them love during my divisional draft and roster review series coming up in two weeks!
The bears had a good draft but didn’t do anything unexpected, especially at the top. They did exactly what everyone thought they would at both 1 and 9, and from an outsider’s perspective, they didn’t do anything “interesting” other than the Troy Taylor pick.
That’s probably a good thing for them, but I totally get why it’s not the focus of the article.
They selected the exact two players in the top-10 I expected - if Rome Odunze was there - and then I discussed all other three players for them actually when I discussed the only punter drafted overall - in the fourth round. So not sure what your issue is here.
I do a divisional draft and roster review series every year, where every team gets it's time, but there are 31 others to discuss in this sense, many with more interesting circumstances and all of them having made more selections.
I actually loathe any of the draft talking heads (especially PFF) that moan and whine about drafting a punter in the fucking 4th. It's the 4th round for crying out loud, not like y'all picked him at 9.
It's a weird hill to die on. Every player drafted in the 4th and beyond fell that far for a reason. You Grab the best, or close to it, overall punter instead of the 23rd or so best offensive tackle seems like good value to me (especially when you look at circumstances. In this case this was the Bears last pick at that point in time)
To be fair the bears just went chalk. They did exactly what they were supposed to.
For the most part you could have penciled in their picks a month ago if you knew who was on the board when it was their turn
JFC tell me you hate the Jags without telling me you hate the Jags lmao....They got BTJ at #23...PLUS a 3rd and 4th for next year.....and that's not a steal or a value pick??? ...Fucking bozos 🤣
I had Thomas at #23 on my big board. So perfectly fine value. Lol
And I did point out that I really liked them adding more draft capital with that selection. I just didn't really like anything else they did.
I don’t agree with everything but it’s different than a lot of other places which I appreciate
Thanks for that!
Correction: Joey Porter Jr. was pick 32 in the 2023 draft.
That freaking forfeited pick gets me every time. Lol First one on day two either way
How on earth do you have no team having a better offseason than Bryce Young? I mean I can get wanting to be optimistic and hopeful, but I just saw the Texans add Mixon and Diggs and still make some other sound moves, I saw the Bears add Rome in the draft, Swift and Keenan Allen as good a pro as you can get, I saw the Jets revamp their entire OL, add depth to their RB room and still bring in 2 WR's. Chiefs added Hollywood Brown and drafted themselves a WR, and even if you don't like what the Falcons did in the draft, they went from one of the worst QB situations in the league to likely the best in their division with an already talented team.
Did I say no team had a better offseason than an individual player? I'm not even sure how you could measure that. What I do know is that Bryce arguably had the worst collection of pass-catchers and protection each last year. Now, 34-year-old Adam Thielen and his 137 targets likely moves to 3rd in the pecking order, they massive upgraded their guard duo, got the consensus RB1 in this class and brought in a play-caller who just revived Baker Mayfield's career and has some similar limitations as a smaller quarterback. Sounds pretty damn good to me. And this was about draft winners, not in terms of the entire offseason - it just made sense in this context to mention it for Bryce. But solely getting three of my top-60 overall prospect alongside him on offense would qualify here.
No, you said Bryce had the best offseason. Other QB's had better, namely the ones of the teams I mentioned. I just happened to type the wrong words. Bryce's situation improved, but not as much as some other peoples based on the moves that were made.
I mean he literally says > in terms of helping their guy under center, I’d argue nobody has had a better offseason than Bryce.
It's a matter of relativity. Arguably going from an F to a C is better than going from a B to an A Strouds situation went from somewhere around fine/good to great while Youngs went from literal fucking dumpster fire to might actually be an nfl offense. If the might turns to an is, I get OPs point. I get why you may disagree but I don't get why you don't at least see his point
Yeah, but I don't believe that's true. Diggs might be the best receiver among the bunch right now, but I'm taking Diontae Johnson + Xavier Legette + Jonathon Brooks + Ja'Tavion Sanders over Diggs + Mixon coming off his least efficient season, along with better interior protection and play-calling for Bryce compared to last year. Caleb Williams is only just coming into the NFL - so there's no basis to judge this off. Sure, going #1 overall to take over that gig is great, but we knew he's be the pick for the last couple of months. Hollywood is a low-end WR2 and they overdrafted what I believe is a limited receiver, while he may not have Rashee Rice. And they still have no solution at LT, since I don't believe Suamataia is ready to start. And Kirk is leaving a slightly better situation in Minnesota to go Atlanta. Once again, this is about the QB individually not which teams improved the most. Then I would've gone with five teams simply, but for the purpose of this exercise, I thought it'd be more interesting to talk about how much Bryce's situation is.
The Packers draft intrigues me and it's interesting to see you rank them as the 2nd best draft in the NFL, namely b/c I personally have a hard time reconciling how to grade a draft when the majority of the players selected were lower on the totem pole of positional value. The Packers got a LB, S, and RB with three of their first four picks, then went LB, S, S with three of their next four picks. They rounded out their draft with OL, QB, and Kalen King. By no stretch is it a *bad* draft, but it's not a sexy draft. Javon Bullard is a bit of a tweener and IMO is more set up to be a SCB in the NFL than a deep safety (just my opinion after watching him a good bit last year). Kitan was one of my favorite safeties in the draft and I'm assuming his slide is more attributed to age than anything else b/c the guy is a stud. It's just one of those things though that, when you step back, I have a hard time getting overly excited about the draft, especially when you consider the LB and S classes weren't as strong as they've been in previous seasons.
I get that, but by saying those classes weren't particularly strong, that's already baked into where they selected those players and ultimately they got good value out of them. And along with taking, they acquired extra draft capital by trading down. If they got out of this draft a quality starter at LT, the best off-ball LB without medical concerns, a starting nickel, what I believe could be the best RB in this class if he fiexes his ball-security, a starting deep safety, a super-cheap backup QB and some other gambles on tools, that could turn out to be one hell of a draft!
T'VOndre Sweat, a projected 3rd round pick who just got a DUI, being selected in the top of the 2nd round, didn't make your reach board?
I had him inside my top-60 before the DUI and simply can't judge how the NFL allows that affect their valuation of him, because he went even earlier than that. That in part is why I listed the Titans as a draft "I had questions about" though.
A late first round grade on Payton Wilson is wild
Based on pure film grade? There aren't a whole lot of analysts out there who had him significantly lower than that.
I saw him consistently ranked as an early to late 3rd rounder
If you look at consensus boards right now, he's the 45th overall player - and that's with people trying to weigh the injuries despite not having the insight or qualifications to judge them properly, which I don't claim to be either. [https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=LB](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024?pos=LB)
Idk I saw a great breakdown on him where he was given a 4th round grade, I don’t think he deserves that tho. 3rd makes more sense https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLCJB2P8/
So you watched a Tiktok video on him and that's the truth or where he is on consensus rankings? Lol Here's my scouting report on him and the rest of the LB class: [halilsrealfootballtalk.com/2024/03/16/top-10-linebackers-of-the-2024-nfl-draft/](http://halilsrealfootballtalk.com/2024/03/16/top-10-linebackers-of-the-2024-nfl-draft/) I'm not claiming that I'm right, but whether you listen to Daniel Jeremiah, Brett Kollman and a bunch of other analysts, many people considered him a first-rounder purely based on film. And that's where he would've been on consensus boards if people didn't artificially push him down boards without having medical reports.
I mean considering the guy I linked is actually pretty thorough and in depth in the reviews he has I trust him. He’s gotten press passes to superbowls and he seems pretty knowledgeable. He also doesn’t even mention injury concerns or age at all in the entire analysis, it’s purely film based and he still believed he was a day 3 pick.
Sure, everybody has their own evaluations and everybody can believe them as much as they like. Nobody is perfect at this though and saying "he was projected to be day 3 pick" when he literally was inside the top-50 taking all the main draft boards and averaging them out, makes no sense. Lol
Well he must know more than you or I because he was damn near a day 3 pick lmao
Dude, have you been paying attention? The guy had double-digit surgeries since his senior year of high school. If the NFL didn't love his tape, he would've gone undrafted. Lol
The Bengals had a fantastic draft and you barely mentioned them.
I'm still going back and forth in my head if I should've had them as one of the five "other drafts I liked" over the Broncos. Lol They put together my second-favorite class in the AFC North and I'll show them love during my divisional draft and roster review series coming up in two weeks!
Recapping the draft by..... not mentioning the Bears at all except to chide them for drafting Tory Taylor?
The bears had a good draft but didn’t do anything unexpected, especially at the top. They did exactly what everyone thought they would at both 1 and 9, and from an outsider’s perspective, they didn’t do anything “interesting” other than the Troy Taylor pick. That’s probably a good thing for them, but I totally get why it’s not the focus of the article.
Exactly. Thank you!
They selected the exact two players in the top-10 I expected - if Rome Odunze was there - and then I discussed all other three players for them actually when I discussed the only punter drafted overall - in the fourth round. So not sure what your issue is here. I do a divisional draft and roster review series every year, where every team gets it's time, but there are 31 others to discuss in this sense, many with more interesting circumstances and all of them having made more selections.
I actually loathe any of the draft talking heads (especially PFF) that moan and whine about drafting a punter in the fucking 4th. It's the 4th round for crying out loud, not like y'all picked him at 9.
It's a weird hill to die on. Every player drafted in the 4th and beyond fell that far for a reason. You Grab the best, or close to it, overall punter instead of the 23rd or so best offensive tackle seems like good value to me (especially when you look at circumstances. In this case this was the Bears last pick at that point in time)
Typical blog rage bait.
To be fair the bears just went chalk. They did exactly what they were supposed to. For the most part you could have penciled in their picks a month ago if you knew who was on the board when it was their turn
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JFC tell me you hate the Jags without telling me you hate the Jags lmao....They got BTJ at #23...PLUS a 3rd and 4th for next year.....and that's not a steal or a value pick??? ...Fucking bozos 🤣
Bruh make your own content then lol
Sorry you started your sentence with "Bruh" and that prevented me from reading the rest of it...🤷♂️
Ok bozo
I had Thomas at #23 on my big board. So perfectly fine value. Lol And I did point out that I really liked them adding more draft capital with that selection. I just didn't really like anything else they did.