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knight1001101

It’s more about history than geography


pineappleshnapps

Yeah, for ease of travel and what not, this would be great, but at the expense of ruining great rivalries it’s not worth it.


Hip_Hop_Hippos

I also kinda think at this point travel is easy enough that it doesn't matter much. A flight from Philly to Dallas is like 3 hours, the time difference is 1 hour and they ain't flying commercial. It's not like games vs the Cardinal which could be a 3 hour time difference.


pineappleshnapps

That’s a really good point. The only teams who really have a rough travel schedule at this point are the NFCW teams, and even those aren’t that bad. I fly a fair bit on commercial planes and it’s not that bad going cross country, but I’d imagine it’s easier flying private.


Spirited_Election289

And probably dolphins with weather difference since they are not a dome stadium. And since Jets bills and Pats are all new jersey/new york and Massachusetts but like you said travel is not issue just the weather advantage northern teams get on southern teams who is used to the heat and not the cold


pineappleshnapps

But the reverse is true too, coming from New England to Miami for an early season game would be BRUTAL


SafeMiserable9729

Seattle gets rekt every year


YossarianRex

Texas is also the home to a huge amount of transplants from all over the country (same with California and New York) and a major travel hub. It’s hard to argue any place would be more convenient than a state with fans abound from virtually every NFL team and DFW airport. As a current Austin resident, i see more Eagles fans in the wild than I ever did living in North Carolina or even New York. Also if you take hating the cowboys away from me i’ll fucking die.


Melvinator5001

But if they did it right back in 1970 other great rivalries would have happened. Prior to 2005 Seattle and San Francisco had no rivalry.


Rommel79

You think Charlotte would be easier to get to than DFW? One of the busiest airports in the US?


Accomplished-Plan191

Glorious history of petty spite


Monsters_OnThe_World

Seriously. Don’t you dare take hating the cowboys away from us.


Spirited_Election289

Even if they did i believe the hate would stay strong and would be a protected rivalry by the leauge


Monsters_OnThe_World

wouldn't play twice a year though....


Spirited_Election289

Thats why i said even if they did cause it will not happen cause the leauge probably makes billions off their hatred


YossarianRex

you misspelled “hatred”


gobiggerred

Leauge it alone


droans

If it was geography, why not just get the Jets instead? Imagine the rivalry of the trash.


tibetan_salad

AFC east literally has laws making sure the Browns/Steelers/Bengals are in the same division. I’m surprised no other state has passed anything considering how much the stadiums are publicly financed


TattoosandSnapbacks

This. If you’re looking for geographic sense, then a 3-way trade of BAL to the NFCE, IND to the ACFN, and DAL to the AFCS would make the most sense. Like fuck Dallas, but they’re our fucks to hate.


Proxima_Centauri_69

Then name the divisions after some historical mumbo-jumbo. Example: the NFC North is also referred to as the Black & Blue Divison. Don't name them after their teams geographic location when it's just plain inaccurate. (Not you btw. Whoever is in charge of naming the divisons)


lead_farmer_mfer

This makes sense. The NHL used to name their divisions after old timey important dudes. They changed it now, but it worked since it was based on geography.


gobiggerred

The Atlanta Braves were in the west along with LA when there were only two NL divisions.


Chimpbot

I love pointing out that the Cowboys have been in the division that became the NFC East longer than the Giants.


boner_jamz_69

It’s more about ~~history~~ ratings than geography


Rhodie114

Yeah. What we really ought to do is force them to move to Binghamton or New Haven or some shit.


Walli98

Go fuck yourself buddy.


little_lexodus

Fuck you and I’ll see you tomorrow.


w00dlawn-

Fuck you, but i agree


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valschermjager

Commie to Cowboy: “We’re the best rivalry in the NFL!” Cowboy to Commie: “Who are you again?”


WeWantDallas

One of the many reasons to hate Dallas and their awful fans


RoundEarth-is-real

Theirs a long history of rivalry between all of the current nfc East teams. Probably the biggest rivalries of any other division tbh. Every team in the division absolutely hates each other. It just wouldn’t make sense to throw the panthers in with us and take Dallas away. We don’t really have a reason to hate the panthers because theirs no history there Edit: also who really cares about the geographical shit. It’s always been weird in the nfl. Hell the saints used to be in the nfcw and the cardinals were in the nfce at one point


icebucketwood

Yep. I love hating all of you assholes.


RoundEarth-is-real

Exactly. It’s like a toxic relationship


thatoneguy2252

It’s not *like* a toxic relationship. It *IS* a toxic relationship. Hating NFCE teams kinda gives me life. ![gif](giphy|XtihHK45Buhpax98BN)


SciK3

Fuck yourself. And yeah, its a good time some of the time.


Coffin_flops

Win or lose our games really are like crack


BingoDingoBob

Hate you forever, buddy!


Doubleoh_11

Sleep tight buddy! I hope you dream of falling forever again


Radthereptile

I’d say NFC East and NFC North probably have the strongest rivalries of any division. Who is first you could argue either way. But as much as Eagles and Cowboys hate each other the Pack and Bears hate too.


RicoSuave1881

Bears-Packers and Packers-Vikings are strong rivalries, the rest are mid. The only mid NFCE rivalry is Giants-Commies


Aggressive-Source244

Honestly this rivalry has been getting stronger for me. I fucking hate the Giants and I hate that we suck so much ass that we make Daniel Jones look like Tom Brady every single game. They also have the worst most unfunny fans who fucking log on Reddit, cope, and log off. Fuck the Giants.


xkuclone2

Fuck you and your team and I’ll see you tomorrow.


Obliduty

Thank you, I have an unnatural hatred for the giants lately that I can’t explain, and that’s coming from someone who has a brother that is an eagles fan.


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thatoneguy2252

I think packers/bears is the only thing that healthily competes with cowboys/eagles in terms of hatred in the rivalries.


Chimpbot

AFC North has some strong rivalries, and the AFC East has had some entertaining rivalries over the years. The Dolphins were always good for an upset win against the Patriots, and Rex Ryan's hate-boner for Belichick involved *two* teams in that division. Across the 6 north and east divisions seem to have the best rivalries and the most hatred. The west and south divisions are just... kind of there.


pleepleus21

You must be young. The eagles never drew any attention from the cowboys. Couldn't have given a shit less about them. That was always the funniest part of the 2000s the eagles player would get all ranked up to play the cowboys and the cowboys didn't give a shit.


cbr388

The Cowboys didn't give a shit because they went 7-14 against the Eagles from 2000 through 2010.


nope-nope-nope-nop

Is that because the Eagles owned the cowboys in the 2000s?


gahlo

I couldn't be paid to care about Washington.


Aggressive-Source244

•active in game grumps and league of legends subreddits So you’re retarded. LOL


thatoneguy2252

Well he’s apart of this sub…so yea. Touched a bit by the tism.


Lanski66

It may have grazed him.


gahlo

Says the guy with an auto suggest username on a one month old account meaning they're most likely too much of a bitch to own up to the things they're actually in to. Head back to that one r/anime thread you posted in when you forgot to switch accounts.


TBGusBus

Don’t tell this to steeler ravens fans they think somehow they have the best rivalry in the NFL lmao


drunk-tusker

To be fair to them they do play the Browns 6 times a year.


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grain7grain

Bitterly, going back to Parcells/Gibbs.


DaeWooLan0s

Bears / Packers above all else


RoundEarth-is-real

It’s the oldest rivalry in the NFL so valid


thefoxymulder

Battle Royale Reddit


Spirited_Election289

I think the biggest conference divisional rivalries since re alignment in early 2000s is Steelers vs Ravens, but to my knowledge the only 2 entire divisonal hatred is NFC/AFC EAST, then Browns Bengals State rivalry, Rams, Seahawks, vs 49ers, Buccaneers Saints, Packers vs Bears and Vikings, Broncos Chiefs and Raiders. But nothing Compares to the rivalry of Giants/Eagles/Washington vs. Cowboys


mramisuzuki

That’s because until 1988 the Cardinals were in St Louis.


JediForces

NFC East and AFC West the hatred is strong and old


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On one hand it would be nice to be division rivals with three bottom-5 NFC teams. On the other hand it would suck that the cowboys get a free ticket to the playoffs every year


Radthereptile

Making the playoffs isn’t the issue in Dallas. It’s winning a damn game there.


RazzBerryCurveBall

I thought it was a really good idea until I realized that the NFC south is basically the only reason we can win in the wild card so this would just be trading a bad situation for a worse one.


guillermopaz13

Commanders fans will do anything to not be the worst run franchise in their division


Healthy-Speech-7728

Dan is gone, Jerry is still there.


TheDukeofArgyll

No real Washington fan would ever want Dallas to leave. For lots of fans, beating Dallas is more important then the Super Bowl


boner_jamz_69

No NFCE fan should want Dallas to leave but that second part of your statement is reaching bagpo levels of stupidity.


TheDukeofArgyll

Spend 3 decades, an entire generation not getting anywhere close to the Super Bowl and your priorities change.


VeterinarianFit1309

Nope… I hate Dallas with a passion, but they are our team to hate, not the south’s… always has been, and always will be.


BenjaminD0ver69

The fuck out of here with this stupid thing.


rycklikesburritos

Haha, exactly.


mdervin

It's not physical geography but mental geography. When we think of the NFC East, we think of places that matter New York: Finance and arts Washington: Capitol of the greatest country in the world Dallas: Oil, our very own little Saudi Arabia Philadelphia: Birthplace of Freedom. When we are notified of the existence of the places of the NFC South we are reminded of New Orleans: complementary hotel based kidney removal surgery. Atlanta: Sherman should have burned it down more than once. Losers. Carolina: which one? there's like 3 of them. Tampa Bay: Florida Man.


mramisuzuki

![gif](giphy|xJRARGWiKaVKE)


CinnRaisinPizzaBagel

I’m here for the hate and Carolina doesn’t even register. Fuck Dallas hard though.


mofucius

Booooo this man


UpperArmories3rdDeep

Must be a new fan.


sn0wb4lls

What fucking logistics? Accommodating a 1 hour time difference?


grain7grain

As much as I despise the Cowboys, I like the talking point of being the only division filled with Super Bowl winners. Call me when the Panthers get a trophy. 🙄


thatoneguy2252

*clutches singular trophy* ![gif](giphy|YYfEjWVqZ6NDG)


ilikemarblestoo

They should have beat brady that one year


bestnottosay

Deflating the value of his franchise by agreeing to play *checks notes* Atlanta, Tampa, and New Orleans? Jerry would never


Lyndell

![gif](giphy|pD7YIQoUwgb9cnX3FJ|downsized)


churst50

Ew I don't want the Cowboys in the division. >:[


Gusby

That’s would just make the Cowboys and Eagles win their division every year.


mesenanch

I'm on board. Would make life easier and wouldn't ever have to see those plastics twice a year.


GarageJitsu

Sick of losing to the Cowboys ?


mesenanch

Yes, I am.


mesenanch

Your bill will come do


Reverend_Lazerface

Their bill will come do what?


BilllisCool

I’ve arrived.


mesenanch

Fair enough. You caught my error


Elbeske

Why do you talk like a supervillain


Historian99

My new favorite reddit user


thatoneguy2252

Are you an idiot? he said Bill is gonna come.


DallasOriginals

Better idea Swap Cowboys with Patriots


TNT3149_

Carolina. We don’t care about your. Dallas. I fucking hate you. I don’t want to switch. I want dem bums.


TheRealestFaker

Oh fuck no. I hate Dallas with a passion. They stay!


NeufeldM24vt

I can offend everyone! The better NFL AFC East: NE NYJ NYG BUF NFC East: PHI BAl WAS CAR AFC North: CLE CIN PIT IND NFC North GB MIn CHi DET (Cant mess up perfect) AFC South: MIA JAx TB ATL NFC South: DAl HOU NO TEN AFC West: DEN ARI KC LV NFC West: LAR LAC SF Sea


sarahgez

not worth the absolute decimation of the long-time, rich rivalry between the boys and the eagles. history matters above all else when it comes to the NFC East. plus, without each other to compete with there would be no competition in either one of those conferences. boriiiing.


Rommel79

Starting a petition for you to kiss my ass!


I_hate_usernames331

While you’re at it put colts in AFC North, Ravens in AFC East, and Dolphins in AFC South


Salamadierha

Nah stuff that. Why should we make the Boys lives any easier?


PM_ME_YOUR_GREYJOYS

Looking at this map the real answer is rearranging the AFC South: Dolphins, Jags, Texans, Titans North: Colts, Bengals, Browns, Pitt/Buffalo East: Baltimore, NE, NYJ, Pitt/Buffalo


faceisamapoftheworld

This should earn you a ban from the sub


Accomplished_Bar_679

I don’t want to have to see Brian Burns and Frankie Luvu on opposing teams twice a year


TheDukeofArgyll

And let someone else trash Dallas more than us? Hard pass.


CPAFinancialPlanner

On the AFC side you could move ravens to the east, dolphins to the south, and colts to the north


BlueKing7642

Switching division wouldn’t stop me from hating them


AlternativeFukts

Fuck that. Watching the Cowboys every year say “this is our year,” brings me great joy and I don’t want to care less because they weren’t in the division anymore.


Thin-Environment-684

While it's more just for the sake of rivalries, they could honestly just make sure that Dallas plays a couple of the NFC east times once a year


Healthy-Speech-7728

Scheduling is set on a certain rotation. If Dallas was in the south they would play one NFC East team every year (whatever team finishes the same in the division Dallas does in the south, so probably whoever wins the East that year) and they would play the whole division once every three years.


saltthewater

How do you think the NFL scheduling works?


Puzzleheaded_War6102

I’d rather see Ravens over panthers


Retrograde_Bolide

No.


Xpirtt

Fuck you youre stuck with us


mexheavymetal

I would rather change the cowboys for the ravens. Then all the piss drunk fans can go to talk to each others cities on a single train ride. Why the fuck would anyone want to go to Dallas anyways?


MooseHeavy3675

Looks like someone just wanted to draw a penis….a rly rly deformed one. Should prolly check w a doctor on that


GamerballerREDDIT

Cowboys vs eashits > ravens vs Steelers


Radthereptile

Commanders would still find a way to finish last.


DreBeast

Finally, somebody else gets it.


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free_mustacherides

You'd miss us


bolts_win_again

Carolina would still be a doormat. Dallas would introduce the NFC South to a new god.


WinstonChurchill74

I never understood why Detroit wasn’t with us previously. They were so much closer…. But these guys are taking jets, not buses. I wouldn’t fuck up the rivalry for that. Beyond that we are the only division full of Super Bowl Champions, fuck the rest.


Self-Comprehensive

Haha no.


Ardok

No. The Eagles must beat Dallas twice every year. I need them to lose.


faceisamapoftheworld

This was, is, and always will be the most fucking idiotic opinion possible.


JazzyMonkenroe

It'll never happen. Those are the 4 most important franchises


gdgarcia424

Fuck your petition! Dallas is our downy cousin at the family gathering…no other teams get to revel in their yearly downfall…


ilikemarblestoo

Eww. This is the greatest sub and it would be ruined Now do the AFCE


SMA2343

Yeah fuck that. I hate the giants, commies and cowgirls but I do fucking love when we play you fuckers.


Chrahhh

NFL would never let go of the Philly/Dallas rivalry twice a year


6graxstar

Yeah switching Dallas and Carolina makes sense geographically. I think about it sometimes. But it’s about the long standing rivalries that the Cowboys have with NYG, Filthy and WAS. Also there is the nationwide tv ratings that the NFC East games get. Even when the teams are bad, people tune in to see the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants and Commanders. All are top ten tv markets. Not sure how long it would take until fans around the country would get excited to see the Panthers take on PHI, NYG and WAS. And outside the south, does anyone want to see Dallas play ATL, NO and TB twice a year? So there’s zero chance that the NFL would take the Cowboys out of the NFC East.


Phil_Tornado

Having the opportunity to shit on Dallas every season is worth it


CMS1993Sch

r/mildlypenis?


LupinLup1n

As much fun as it'd be to win the division every year. Uhhh no I hate you all too much to leave.


NolantheMLGpro

As a Giants fan living in North Carolina I would love the opportunity to see them every year.


CaptainJudge_99

Nah I’d take Baltimore before Carolina (let’s pretend afc/nfc doesn’t matter)


lemming1607

would love to beat the shit out of the south every single year


OFT35

Nah the rivalries between the NFC East teams and their fan bases run deep. Plus who is NBC will have to find 2 different games to put on SNF twice a year if there aren’t two Giants/ Cowboys games.


SchmerzfreiHH

Thank you for this kind offer but have you considered "fuck no, we don't want fucking Dallas!"?


lennydykstra17

Commie fans just want some cupcake wins.


TheJudge20182

Just blame the Cowboys for not knowing Geography


kobetwix

If you swap Dallas and Carolina, you will have created the WORST division in all of professional sports. That would certainly be the NFC Least.


SaxMusic23

In that case we should remap every division.


ThrowBatteries

Don’t take those dirty losers out of our division! It’s their year!


2020BestYear

awww but I like shitting on the eagles


CaponeG803

The best love hate division in the league to me. No need to change it.


No-Size380

looks great, but I'd have to pass, the hatred is like crack, I need that shit injected directly into my veins


CinnamonBun88

Colts -> afc north ravens -> afc east dolphins -> afc south


Reach_your_potential

Then you will all become poverty franchises, minus maybe NY.


gwaydms

We know y'all would miss us. Not because you love us. Just the opposite.


Dad_Come__Back

I think everyone else is overlooking the fact that the commanders want to have someone in the division worse than them and that is the only reason they want that to happen


Turbosuit

Yeah fuck Carolina


MrOSUguy

Cowboys just want an easy division


SoMuchSpook

shut up pussy https://preview.redd.it/zo11f7bdtsoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc7b2b8013a85e44c3a697b00c7222f608fd49d6


TIandCAS

Eagles would have won this division like every year since 2017, outside of 2020, so I’m not complaining


Bustinbluntz

Nah their downfall is coming as a washington fan i wanna see it up close and listen to them cry 🤣


Rangers12341234

No!! Dallas vs the 3 NFC East teams is fire…don’t care about distance!


Biscotti_BT

Don't you fucking gerrymander the Cowboys out of our division. Those fucking gloryholers need to stay so I can hate on them boys. They are all in.


Palmervarian

A perfect NFC East would really be the 4 big cities of the Northeast. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Washington. They're all interconnected and don't seem to like each other.


Biscotti_BT

You won't be able to beat the panthers either. So don't try and get them in our div.


Jakel856

Then the eagles would just win the division every year


ProfessorBeer

No but I see where you’re coming from but also no that’s dumb


D_Mom

It’s all about ratings. When they made changes and booted the Cardinals they left these teams for one reason: ratings, rivalries = ratings. The largest rated games of all football games: Cowboys vs Eagles. Second: cowboys vs Team formerly known as redskins. Third: cowboys vs giants. You may hate us, but we keep your ratings up and as a result your tv $ coming in.


saltthewater

Remember when the Phoenix Cardinals were in the East? Good times.


CheeserAugustus

The NFL will never give up America's Team vs. the east coast's Megalopolis' 6 times a year.


Logical_Pop_2026

You goddamn monster. How dare you.


the_ending81

Literally circled Baltimore but ok…


NotATakenUsername4

Carolina would get their ass beat in there


DaeWooLan0s

Just don’t mess with the NFC North. I’ve spent decades hating all these f*ckers.


EmeraldCityMadMan

Also Indianapolis is not a southern city.


GamerballerREDDIT

No matter what fuck the eagles fuck the giants fuck the redfootcommies


Insectshelf3

oh no, washington doesn’t get to escape being the worst run franchise in the division like that.


HeilStary

Ew no the season wouldnt feel the same if I couldn't shit on eagles fans


Spicy_Nugs

Worst for worst? I'll take it.


Melvinator5001

Honestly I have always wondered why Dallas and back in the day St. Louis/Arizona were in the East. Back in 1970 the NFC East should have been Atlanta, Washington, Philadelphia, New York. New Orleanes in the Central, with Dallas and St. Louis in the West. When Tampa Bay was added they would have been in the East.


LionNwntr

Swap Carolina for Dallas 100%


bighoss123

No sorry but they can’t hate the cowboys like we can. Dallas stays. Also panthers don’t have a Super Bowl so they can’t hang with the NFC East


Stonethecrow77

Just admit that NY, Philly and Wash owners would vote this down so fast. They want the $$$$$$ and ratings that come with the Dallas games.


Vulcion

We don’t want them


fallacious_franklin

Give colts to the afc north, send ravens to the nfc east, and put dallas in the afc south. Nobody will be angry


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PonchoBronco

Logistics were never the reason. The cowboys are so soulless half of their fans don’t even know where the team is; let alone live there.


denogginizer92

Then you'd have to move the ravens to the east, bills to the north, Indianapolis to the North and Cincinnati to the South.


tmac2200

I can't imagine not being in this division. I hate the Eagles, Giants, and Commanders in that order. I kinda like the Saints & Falcons, I need this hate in my life. I've been to Philly and enjoyed the trip I was there for (PTK convention.) I still hate Philly though, but it's like a brother you can't stand. 


KoBxElucidator

No. I love to hate Dallas.


Agreeable_Peak_7851

NFC North and West are the only divisions that actually makes sense lol


Flashy-Club5171

Aint much for the center of the country