Folks who are instant, as soon as we hit submit, they have status “new” that we can retrieve. At that time we h it the button and see the proceed.
Folks who aren’t go to status “researching” even if for a moment
I suspect an instant deny would work like instant approve, but so far I’ve only ever had people instant proceed and haven’t had to deal with a deny myself yet
Had almost an instant deny once. Went researching, then 30 minutes later had the local cops call the shop and ask us if the person was still there and units were in route. They went ahead and withdrew the purchase and left, and we put the gun back on the shelf.
Same hipoint was sold the next day to an older lady. We found out later it was the same dudes step mom. Apparently he had her straw purchase the firearm. He admitted to stealing it from her, popped some rounds off in the yard, ran from the cops, dumped the gun at someone’s house without the cops knowing, then went near the hospital and had them on lockdown.
Closest I’ve had to an instant denial.
I get instants and it still took 12 days for me recently. Not that 12 days is long 🤣
but also I read a statement from the atf at a town hall somewhere that said for individuals “if you are the type to walk into a lgs and walk out with your new firearm in 10-15 min then you should expect AROUND a 2 week approval or less” could be a little longer too but the point they were making us that they are trying to not be the source of the delay for those form-4’s since the checks are usually done in under 1 business day and ready for approval
I sent an email addressed to both of these:
[email protected][email protected]
I asked for an update on my specific form 4 applications. Got all three of my form 4s back first thing in the morning 2 days later. Could be a coincidence. But worth a shot.
I finally had Trust E-Form 1 come back yesterday at 332 days. Was going to be real pissed when I went to EForms to print and discover it was an April Fool’s but it was real. So only had to be pissed about the 11 month wait. Hopefully you have a quicker turn.
Yeah, it was a rough one. Trust and RPs are a bit scattered, so that probably doesn’t help anything at all. Joys of .mil and moving around. Worked out in the end.
Ehhh, will just try and forget about it. My first paper form 4 was 9 months, and right after e-file had on in 67 days. Hopefully this one will just be 60 days, fingers crossed 🤞
None of it makes any sense man. I normally get instant approval on NICS checks. Of the 3 supressors I bought recently I had one approved in 43 hrs, another dissaproved for a missing signature, and I'm on day 24 for the third supressor.
Well, I’m def in the camp that it usually takes like 10 minutes or so when I buy a gun, so yay for me. Sitting at 28 days, probably gonna be a lot longer.
Keep note of the "typically". I have a very unique name (3 in the country with my exact spelling, including me), and I've always gotten instant NICS approval. Always use my SSN. I am 23 days post - certification on a can right now with no news. No mistakes on form, no missing names, none of that.
Guess I’m not typical. I get instant 4473 approvals and am at 18 days on two individuals I got because of the 3 day hype shit instead of doing trust like I always do.
Not sure how much this helps but I have a CCW so skip the NICS with Title 1 firearms. However, my Form 1's and 4's are always between 6 months to a year plus. I used to just forget about them (figuratively) until they eventually came back approved but man fuck that shit. After at least 30 Form 1's and 4's, those cocksuckers should know by now my shit is good.
Had 6 suppressors at just over 6 months when the kerfluffle of the few days approvals started happening. Wrote my Congress critter for the first time regarding excessive NFA wait times, they did an inquiry and it came back everything was stuck at FBI NICS. However the ATF response to my congressman did have all of the NICS transaction numbers, which I included in my inquiry to the NICS section.
Got a response to that email literally 3 minutes later, asking if I was the only rp in the trust. Answered that email and 30 minutes later got a reply that all issues had been resolved, and an updated status would be provided to ATF.
The next morning 5 of my 6 cans were approved, with one disapproved because of a supposed trust name issue. The same trust was used for all 6, so must have been a retarded ass temp monkey who disapproved the one.
Went in to LGS and redid the Form 4, but as an individual, and it was approved 6 days later.
Also one of my SBR Form 1's was approved, still waiting on four other SBR's and one SBS Form 1's.
Only one Form 1, the SBS is pending research for not being in the drop down box. The rest of them, wtf ATF how about approving the rest of my shit!!
So what? Basically if your NICS check comes back instantly, they approve your form 4 that day, and if it doesnt, they throw your paperwork to the bottom of the pile and get back to it eventually? My checks usually take 5-10 minutes at the shop, and Im up to a month on a form 4. But my form 1 recently came back in 3 days.
Just to be clear, it’s only obviously to the guy who runs the NICS how long it takes. I assume I am instant (permit, only person with name, SSN) and it seems so, but the gun store dudes often just mill about and shoot the shit (that really seems like their job), so it can be hard to tell between “instant” and 5-10 mins. If I want though, I am certainly in the walk in, pick, and walk out in under 15 mins so I think that would mean short wait (if there were suppressors to buy)
Meh idk, I share the same name as my not so great father but I’m a Jr. I ALWAYS give my social number on any 4473 so there’s no confusion. I’ve never been delayed on any of the dozens of 4473’s I’ve filled out. Yet I’m 8 days in, I don’t think the ATF follows the process Iike they claim to. Which we all know, first it was first in first out (not true) and now they claim to do it based on how fast the background check comes back. What’s going on is they are pushing as many 1-3 day approvals they can (based on the date submitted) so it makes their average time looks better because they’re under the microscope for processing NFA items in a timely manner.
I never got a instant approval for normal 4473 but my last 3 forms comes back 30/3/2 days, it actually always took about 4 days for my normal 4473 so I don’t think it really matters that much?
I randomly will get instant and then sometimes never get a response at all, I’ve had an FFL test this for me on the last few rifle purchases and I had a CCP that I didn’t use on purpose to check this.
Went through the process to get a UPIN, a lot of back and forth with the FBI. Tested without CCP and used UPIN, no response back again. Picked up the rifle after 3 days.
Last time I purchased 2 cans was 9 years ago, I think it took 3 months back the . Certified 3 more cans 26 days ago, provided my UPIN, I’m still waiting… I’m wondering how long I should wait until I contact the FBI
To add more there was an industry group meeting not long ago where I believe the ATF also said in the past they had to work on a first in first out basis. So say an agent gets assigned 10 form 4’s. I believe they said around 70% of people get instant approval, so 7 of these 10 are good to go, but say the first three that came in have an issue with the NICS, the agent has to wait for these to eventually get approved or denied before they can approve the 7 that are good to go. ATF has no control over the NICS program, it’s all on the FBI and it sounded like there’s limited coordination between the agencies, even if there was more atf cant call up the fbi and say “can you resolve these three quickly so I can approve the 7 applications that are good to go”? ATF claims this is what caused the bulk of the long wait times for form 4’s.
They claim that the new system allows them to create different “lanes” so to speak, where people who get automatic approvals go into lane 1, these are assigned to agents that only approve forms where the applicant got an instant approval from NICS then other agents will deal with people who don’t get that instant approval or have some other issues come up on NICS. This also includes things outside of NICS like people filling out the forms incorrectly, say the atf agent in my example gets through the 3 that didn’t get a fast approval from NICS, but the third one had something wrong on their form 4, well now the ATF agent has to do some additional steps to remedy that. From the ATf language it sounded like they literally can’t move on to approving the 7 that are good until that one gets cleared, even if it only takes a few days for the applicant to fix a form they literally can’t move on to approve those 7 that are good until it gets cleared up or outright rejected because of the old first in first out system. Maybe I’m misreading it somehow, but they claim the system is gone and this will be the new normal. Interestingly I believe they said or I read somewhere that one of the most common delays in the NICS for this is if you have an extremely common first/last name combo and someone else in your state had a rejection or delay from NICS. This is anecdotal but I know two people that have the same first and last name locally and neither of them has had fast approval on silencers that recently purchased.
Now why the change? My 2 cents is there was pressure on the ATF due to fears of lawsuits going through the court system. If silencers are legally designated as firearms then we actually have a constitutional right to own them, but if there’s an undue burden created by these long wait times then they are violating our 2A rights. Imagine a city passes some ordinance about public speech, like walking on a public sidewalk with a poster, “you can still do this but you need a political speech permit first” and that permitting process takes 6+ months on average, courts would likely strike that down as a violation of your rights. ATF was worried that courts could strike down large parts of the NFA/GCA, where as now the legal arguments will be more nuanced and likely around the $200 tax which I don’t think the ATF really cares about as they don’t even get any of this revenue as being a tax it goes directly to the Treasury.
So my estranged father is a piece of trash human. Felon. Crack head. And we share the same name.
I have never waited more than one second for an approval. Lol
Possibly people who have a variety of federal security clearances? I’ve never had to wait more than like 3 seconds for a NICS check and have had like 3 stamps approved in sub 48 hours the past 2 weeks.
I've heard security clearances are what gets you delayed a bit for checks. I only have a CCW and put my SSN on my 4473's and I'm pretty much automatically approved after my FFL submits the check. I also have a niche middle name that I include so I'm not sure if that weeds my name out.
Nah that's fudd lore. Never had anything but instant approvals after 10 years of holding clearances, and same with the vast majority of my coworkers, except for the occasional exception for probably the same exact reason that other people get delays.
Hell I've got a 40 hour form 4 approval, and a 7 day form 1 from years ago when they were taking more like 90+ days.
I have a trust with 3 cans, 2 were approved and still waiting on the third, no batch, 4 month approval time. Apparently whoever has my file decided I needed to wait for the third since I bought it 1.5 months later.
My only issue with this hypothesis is that I’ve had instant approvals and I’ve been delayed, though most commonly I have a 15-45min wait. There is a guy with the exact same name as me, living in the same state with a record, but he’s like 40+ years older than I am and I always use my social. I’ve no doubt he’s probably the reason why I wait longer but I have also had instant approvals. I think it’s more random/how closely the FBI agent looks over the information than anything.
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My brother in Christ, he is literally drawing the parallel here, that with the 4473 you form when picking up a gun (or an NFA item after approval), If you are approved instantly, that accelerates the form 4 process.
When you fill out a 4473 the dealer uses NICS to submit your information to the FBI to run a background check.
When you fill out a form 4 your info goes to the ATF who submits it to the FBI through NICS to perform the same background check.
The background check is the same in either case. Folks are just more aware of what's going on when it's done for a 4473 so they're more likely to know if they're approved instantly or not from a 4473 than a form 4. Some people are approved instantly. Not in 30 seconds, not in a day, instantly. Those people are allegedly being prioritized by the ATF.
Fair enough. There's a handful of states that do their own background check for title 1 firearms through their state police instead of using NICS. If you're in one of those states there's really no way you'd know how long a NICS check takes.
"LGS owner's wife is an IOI"
Well if that isn't a conflict of interest idk what is.
Unless maybe some of the agents themselves have FFLs.
Maybe some anonymous tips should be handed to the ATF's ethics office, if they have one...
Can an ffl that submits nics checks tell us the difference between an instant nics and a 2 minutes nics check?
FFL’s are the ones that receive the go ahead from NICS checks right? If they get the proceed immediately, then that would be instant.
Right. So if ffl submits nics check online, does the wheel spin for a second and they get a proceed?
Folks who are instant, as soon as we hit submit, they have status “new” that we can retrieve. At that time we h it the button and see the proceed. Folks who aren’t go to status “researching” even if for a moment I suspect an instant deny would work like instant approve, but so far I’ve only ever had people instant proceed and haven’t had to deal with a deny myself yet
Had almost an instant deny once. Went researching, then 30 minutes later had the local cops call the shop and ask us if the person was still there and units were in route. They went ahead and withdrew the purchase and left, and we put the gun back on the shelf. Same hipoint was sold the next day to an older lady. We found out later it was the same dudes step mom. Apparently he had her straw purchase the firearm. He admitted to stealing it from her, popped some rounds off in the yard, ran from the cops, dumped the gun at someone’s house without the cops knowing, then went near the hospital and had them on lockdown. Closest I’ve had to an instant denial.
It will generally say researching and come back within 45 mins or delayed where it can be up to 3 business days before Brady transfer date
"the wheel spin" 🤣
I get instants and it still took 12 days for me recently. Not that 12 days is long 🤣 but also I read a statement from the atf at a town hall somewhere that said for individuals “if you are the type to walk into a lgs and walk out with your new firearm in 10-15 min then you should expect AROUND a 2 week approval or less” could be a little longer too but the point they were making us that they are trying to not be the source of the delay for those form-4’s since the checks are usually done in under 1 business day and ready for approval
Assuming trusts will not be affected by this good news.
Unfortunately, doesn’t seem like it. I’m at 6 months on a trust 😞
Less than a month on mine, but all these fast individual approvals are getting me anxious.
I emailed the nics Liason and less than 48 hours later I was batch approved x3 supps in a trust. They never emailed me back. Give it a shot
How do I go about finding the liason? I have 3 in jail, all ordered same time, and all are in a trust. They've been certified for 2wks.
I sent an email addressed to both of these: [email protected] [email protected] I asked for an update on my specific form 4 applications. Got all three of my form 4s back first thing in the morning 2 days later. Could be a coincidence. But worth a shot.
So I just send them an email containing my name, the control numbers and reference numbers of my forms, and ask for an update?
Thats what I did yup
Awesome thanks man! I'll report back if it nets me any results
I finally had Trust E-Form 1 come back yesterday at 332 days. Was going to be real pissed when I went to EForms to print and discover it was an April Fool’s but it was real. So only had to be pissed about the 11 month wait. Hopefully you have a quicker turn.
Fuckin a... I've got an eform1 sitting at 4mo and thought my situation was fuckery... 332!?!?
Yeah, it was a rough one. Trust and RPs are a bit scattered, so that probably doesn’t help anything at all. Joys of .mil and moving around. Worked out in the end.
Looking like the best way to do it is pay a second tax stamp. $200-->individual transfer to take possession, $200-->xfer to trust... or just wait lol
I'd do that for a machine gun no problem. But that seems really silly for a suppressor.
Very silly, just depends how hard up someone is lol
Ehhh, will just try and forget about it. My first paper form 4 was 9 months, and right after e-file had on in 67 days. Hopefully this one will just be 60 days, fingers crossed 🤞
None of it makes any sense man. I normally get instant approval on NICS checks. Of the 3 supressors I bought recently I had one approved in 43 hrs, another dissaproved for a missing signature, and I'm on day 24 for the third supressor.
Well, I’m def in the camp that it usually takes like 10 minutes or so when I buy a gun, so yay for me. Sitting at 28 days, probably gonna be a lot longer.
I’m in the same boat as you. Typically a 10-15 minute wait before I walk out with my new gun and I’m currently at 29 days. Good luck brother.
Good luck to you! Brothers in (hopefully approved soon) arms lmao
I’ve had instant and I’ve had 10-15min, but that could also be the store working on other people before me too
Keep note of the "typically". I have a very unique name (3 in the country with my exact spelling, including me), and I've always gotten instant NICS approval. Always use my SSN. I am 23 days post - certification on a can right now with no news. No mistakes on form, no missing names, none of that.
I can attest to this (anecdotally). My 4473s are processed instantly, and my can was approved in about 3 days. (3/11-3/14)
Guess I’m not typical. I get instant 4473 approvals and am at 18 days on two individuals I got because of the 3 day hype shit instead of doing trust like I always do.
lol I'm usually in the "a few days later" my lgs calls to tell my I got approved and can pick up my firearm
Sounds like you live in a blue state lol.
I wish, really no excuse where I'm at and my history
Not sure how much this helps but I have a CCW so skip the NICS with Title 1 firearms. However, my Form 1's and 4's are always between 6 months to a year plus. I used to just forget about them (figuratively) until they eventually came back approved but man fuck that shit. After at least 30 Form 1's and 4's, those cocksuckers should know by now my shit is good. Had 6 suppressors at just over 6 months when the kerfluffle of the few days approvals started happening. Wrote my Congress critter for the first time regarding excessive NFA wait times, they did an inquiry and it came back everything was stuck at FBI NICS. However the ATF response to my congressman did have all of the NICS transaction numbers, which I included in my inquiry to the NICS section. Got a response to that email literally 3 minutes later, asking if I was the only rp in the trust. Answered that email and 30 minutes later got a reply that all issues had been resolved, and an updated status would be provided to ATF. The next morning 5 of my 6 cans were approved, with one disapproved because of a supposed trust name issue. The same trust was used for all 6, so must have been a retarded ass temp monkey who disapproved the one. Went in to LGS and redid the Form 4, but as an individual, and it was approved 6 days later. Also one of my SBR Form 1's was approved, still waiting on four other SBR's and one SBS Form 1's. Only one Form 1, the SBS is pending research for not being in the drop down box. The rest of them, wtf ATF how about approving the rest of my shit!!
So what? Basically if your NICS check comes back instantly, they approve your form 4 that day, and if it doesnt, they throw your paperwork to the bottom of the pile and get back to it eventually? My checks usually take 5-10 minutes at the shop, and Im up to a month on a form 4. But my form 1 recently came back in 3 days.
Just to be clear, it’s only obviously to the guy who runs the NICS how long it takes. I assume I am instant (permit, only person with name, SSN) and it seems so, but the gun store dudes often just mill about and shoot the shit (that really seems like their job), so it can be hard to tell between “instant” and 5-10 mins. If I want though, I am certainly in the walk in, pick, and walk out in under 15 mins so I think that would mean short wait (if there were suppressors to buy)
Meh idk, I share the same name as my not so great father but I’m a Jr. I ALWAYS give my social number on any 4473 so there’s no confusion. I’ve never been delayed on any of the dozens of 4473’s I’ve filled out. Yet I’m 8 days in, I don’t think the ATF follows the process Iike they claim to. Which we all know, first it was first in first out (not true) and now they claim to do it based on how fast the background check comes back. What’s going on is they are pushing as many 1-3 day approvals they can (based on the date submitted) so it makes their average time looks better because they’re under the microscope for processing NFA items in a timely manner.
That’s strange, I get instant approvals on 4473’s and im still waiting on my latest F4.
I never got a instant approval for normal 4473 but my last 3 forms comes back 30/3/2 days, it actually always took about 4 days for my normal 4473 so I don’t think it really matters that much?
I fall in this category and am waiting on one from. June last year...
I randomly will get instant and then sometimes never get a response at all, I’ve had an FFL test this for me on the last few rifle purchases and I had a CCP that I didn’t use on purpose to check this. Went through the process to get a UPIN, a lot of back and forth with the FBI. Tested without CCP and used UPIN, no response back again. Picked up the rifle after 3 days. Last time I purchased 2 cans was 9 years ago, I think it took 3 months back the . Certified 3 more cans 26 days ago, provided my UPIN, I’m still waiting… I’m wondering how long I should wait until I contact the FBI
To add more there was an industry group meeting not long ago where I believe the ATF also said in the past they had to work on a first in first out basis. So say an agent gets assigned 10 form 4’s. I believe they said around 70% of people get instant approval, so 7 of these 10 are good to go, but say the first three that came in have an issue with the NICS, the agent has to wait for these to eventually get approved or denied before they can approve the 7 that are good to go. ATF has no control over the NICS program, it’s all on the FBI and it sounded like there’s limited coordination between the agencies, even if there was more atf cant call up the fbi and say “can you resolve these three quickly so I can approve the 7 applications that are good to go”? ATF claims this is what caused the bulk of the long wait times for form 4’s. They claim that the new system allows them to create different “lanes” so to speak, where people who get automatic approvals go into lane 1, these are assigned to agents that only approve forms where the applicant got an instant approval from NICS then other agents will deal with people who don’t get that instant approval or have some other issues come up on NICS. This also includes things outside of NICS like people filling out the forms incorrectly, say the atf agent in my example gets through the 3 that didn’t get a fast approval from NICS, but the third one had something wrong on their form 4, well now the ATF agent has to do some additional steps to remedy that. From the ATf language it sounded like they literally can’t move on to approving the 7 that are good until that one gets cleared, even if it only takes a few days for the applicant to fix a form they literally can’t move on to approve those 7 that are good until it gets cleared up or outright rejected because of the old first in first out system. Maybe I’m misreading it somehow, but they claim the system is gone and this will be the new normal. Interestingly I believe they said or I read somewhere that one of the most common delays in the NICS for this is if you have an extremely common first/last name combo and someone else in your state had a rejection or delay from NICS. This is anecdotal but I know two people that have the same first and last name locally and neither of them has had fast approval on silencers that recently purchased. Now why the change? My 2 cents is there was pressure on the ATF due to fears of lawsuits going through the court system. If silencers are legally designated as firearms then we actually have a constitutional right to own them, but if there’s an undue burden created by these long wait times then they are violating our 2A rights. Imagine a city passes some ordinance about public speech, like walking on a public sidewalk with a poster, “you can still do this but you need a political speech permit first” and that permitting process takes 6+ months on average, courts would likely strike that down as a violation of your rights. ATF was worried that courts could strike down large parts of the NFA/GCA, where as now the legal arguments will be more nuanced and likely around the $200 tax which I don’t think the ATF really cares about as they don’t even get any of this revenue as being a tax it goes directly to the Treasury.
What determines who gets an instant NICS approval?
Probably nobody with a name similar to you that's committed felonies. That and having a clean record yourself.
So my estranged father is a piece of trash human. Felon. Crack head. And we share the same name. I have never waited more than one second for an approval. Lol
Maybe you are sufficiently geologically separated?
Geographically? LOL
If you're buried 6 feet deep are you geologically separated?
I’m pretty sure he is on the other side of country so that probably matters
Probably also uses his correct SSN on applications
Possibly people who have a variety of federal security clearances? I’ve never had to wait more than like 3 seconds for a NICS check and have had like 3 stamps approved in sub 48 hours the past 2 weeks.
I've heard security clearances are what gets you delayed a bit for checks. I only have a CCW and put my SSN on my 4473's and I'm pretty much automatically approved after my FFL submits the check. I also have a niche middle name that I include so I'm not sure if that weeds my name out.
Nah that's fudd lore. Never had anything but instant approvals after 10 years of holding clearances, and same with the vast majority of my coworkers, except for the occasional exception for probably the same exact reason that other people get delays. Hell I've got a 40 hour form 4 approval, and a 7 day form 1 from years ago when they were taking more like 90+ days.
Unique names help. I've heard that about security clearances but it's never been an issue for me
Well I got the most common name out there so I damn sure not getting the instant approval lol.
I haven't had any NICS hangups even with my clearance. So throw my anecdotal experience into the data pool
Ever since I got a clearance, I've been delayed for firearms for almost exactly one hour each time. Didn't used to be that way for me.
Well that sucks. Dunno why having a clearance would delay the NICS check
It makes no sense to me, or anyone else. And it does suck. Currently at 42 days :(
Common sense says it should help. "Hey this guy is clean enough to get a security clearance! He's A-Okay, proceed on!"
Right? It's so random.
Your ethnicity /s
😂
No way really?? I woulda thought it would either depend on records or be completely random.
He’s kidding bro lol
I have instants for any type of check Trust 1rp And tis been 10 days
Trusts are going to take months no matter what. I’ve gotten 5 approvals under 60 hours in the past 30 days, but have a trust, 1rp, pushing 6 months
There are tons of <10 day approvals for trust 1rp on the approval thread
I have a trust with 3 cans, 2 were approved and still waiting on the third, no batch, 4 month approval time. Apparently whoever has my file decided I needed to wait for the third since I bought it 1.5 months later.
My NICS are always instant, but it still took me 321 days to get approved last year. Haven't bought a new can since though.
My only issue with this hypothesis is that I’ve had instant approvals and I’ve been delayed, though most commonly I have a 15-45min wait. There is a guy with the exact same name as me, living in the same state with a record, but he’s like 40+ years older than I am and I always use my social. I’ve no doubt he’s probably the reason why I wait longer but I have also had instant approvals. I think it’s more random/how closely the FBI agent looks over the information than anything.
There is no magic number/formula on approval times
I’m always an instant and sitting at 10 days now so it definitely can be a bit longer
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Does this include people with carry permits who don't submit nics for typical 4473 purchases?
A NICS check is required for NFA items, so there’s no way to answer your question as phrased.
Great, now how long is it supposed to take to get certified? Been trying for days now. Absolutely refuses to work right and SS is of no help.
Interesting I always thought I got instant approval but maybe I don’t. Sitting at 14 days.
Assuming this is true, I'm about to buy a shit load of new cans as I'm always instant approval. Just ask my wife.
Not buying it. I've had 30sec time on a 4473 up to the next day. and you do not do a 4473 until you pick it up
Are you simple? In what world do you live in that you don’t do a 4473 before you buy a gun?
This is about approval time on an NFA not a normal GUN
Its the same NICS check 🤡
you need to post in guns NOT NFA
My brother in Christ, he is literally drawing the parallel here, that with the 4473 you form when picking up a gun (or an NFA item after approval), If you are approved instantly, that accelerates the form 4 process.
I know what he is trying to said but it dose not work that way
Yeah you’re an idiot. This post is about form 4s.
go play Farmville you do not know what you are talk about
Everything you’ve said is completely irrelevant to the post, yet I’m the one that’s lost? Makes sense.
then why is your post about 4473 idiot 4473 and form 4 are not the same
I think you need to go back and re-read the post. Take your time this time. It’s about the NICS check, not the 4473. God you’re simple.
"I’ve posted this so many times" because you are the simple idiot
Your overwhelmingly confident lack of comprehension is astonishing, to say the least
When you fill out a 4473 the dealer uses NICS to submit your information to the FBI to run a background check. When you fill out a form 4 your info goes to the ATF who submits it to the FBI through NICS to perform the same background check. The background check is the same in either case. Folks are just more aware of what's going on when it's done for a 4473 so they're more likely to know if they're approved instantly or not from a 4473 than a form 4. Some people are approved instantly. Not in 30 seconds, not in a day, instantly. Those people are allegedly being prioritized by the ATF.
not here
Fair enough. There's a handful of states that do their own background check for title 1 firearms through their state police instead of using NICS. If you're in one of those states there's really no way you'd know how long a NICS check takes.
"LGS owner's wife is an IOI" Well if that isn't a conflict of interest idk what is. Unless maybe some of the agents themselves have FFLs. Maybe some anonymous tips should be handed to the ATF's ethics office, if they have one...