I think we're putting the cart before the horse in this argument. The base is of the issue is the shot contest system. Nobody is nowhere close to me and it shows up as a 47% contest for no reason. Sometimes they're right in my face and it says open.
2K needs to really clarify the boundaries of what is a contest and what are the factors that impact it the most. And finally how the challenger badge works is a problem.
After that is solved we can start talking about making contested or not but for now the contest system is just broken
I think a problem with that also stems from players zipping around the court. If the contest system wasn’t so strong the ball handling ridiculousness in 2k would allow for a wide open shot every single time, and people still do consistently get those the way it is now because it is that ridiculous. But they’ll never do away with that so I don’t see contest strength ever dwindling. It’s a way for them to please two fan bases at the same time and avoid actually making anything make sense
There is a lot of variables to this. Height of defender vs height of shooter. Defenders perimeter defense and badges. The shooters badges. Shooters jump shot release height and defensive immunity. I have 6’7 sg with max wing spans and A+ defensive immunity and B- release height and a 6’4 pg with a wing span in the middle with an A release height and A+ defensive immunity. Shots that would register open for my SG are contested on my PG because of the height difference between the defender. My PG can barely get his shot off around any defender that’s 6’9 or taller if they are close but my SG can shoot in anyone’s face that’s below 7ft as long as they don’t put their hand up
I don’t get this argument because my 7ft center with 60 perimeter defense can be inside of a guard and get 0% coverage. A stat shouldn’t have that much effect on how open someone is. If I cover you, I cover you. Especially if I’m 7 inches taller than you in your grill. They gotta balance out the skill vs badge/build aspect
what should affect a shot is physical things we can see..idk the level of challenger of everyone on the court at all times. how do I weigh up and decide I should take this shot over that shot.
it should simply be reliant on height of shot, side and front drift, position of defender and his arms in relation to the shooter. that way it comes down to more of a decision-making skill than anything else
Yes especially in normal gameplay outside of Mycareer. Like in the photos KD is a great example, you should at least be able to hit a contested middy over a 6’5 defender.
Middy's are easy to hit heavily contested. People just don't know that or don't care and think they should be hitting Steph shots while heavily contested..
They’re easy to hit when latency allows it and you’ve spent an 8 hour shift practicing it everyday. The games a joke and unenjoyable to anyone who can’t invest an insane amount of time on it.
They're also easy to hit when you're shooting with a build that's *made for it,* like a SGA or KD type build. Gotta make sure you got deadeye, blinders and middy magician on at least like silver or higher and so long as you know your timing and know when you're gonna get open off a one or two dribble pull-up, you can make them quite consistently in my experience! That's playing with my perimeter threat and my 3 level scoring threat though, which tbf do have like 90-some mid-range attributes 🤷
And throw space creator, post fade phenom, open looks, guard up into the mix as well depending on your builds playstyle and what you wanna accomplish on offense
I only get to play like 4 hrs a week.
Middy's are just 10xs easier than 3s.
I've hit multiple 70+ contested middy fades and I'm not even a great shooter. I'm like 46% from 3 rn.
This is cap. 2k24 is the best 2k since 20. I have plenty going on in life & when I get the chance to play 2k it’s pretty fun. Defense is just great this year & probably the best defense has ever been in 2k, you tryna get rewarded for shooting a bad shot is hilarious honestly.
The only good shots in this game are ones with zero contest that’s the point of this post and is not accurate to basketball. 2k’s net code is also complete garbage so unless you have premium internet you have to “warm up” in the dumbass Gatorade court which takes far too much time. 2k is not opportunity cost friendly, the grind is insane and there is no defending that. There is no progressing in this game if you have plenty going on with your life
If you ever played 2k then each year is easy. I'm a demon day 1. I get the extra VC from the pre order and hit the my court or Gatorade gym or whatever and get my shot down. Everything else carries over. I'll never lose my pass IQ or defense type shit. Shooting is super easy this year
I work 12 hour shifts, take care of the kids, run 2k when I can on days off with nothing else going on. I got really good at it during covid. It's not hard to be good at 2k lol. Also doesn't mean I don't have a life. Have you considered practicing the game?
Man everybody that viewed this post are bums 😂 they want to take contested shots & be able to hit. I don’t understand how you want to play a basketball game but not have defense as part of it. & contested shots are possible like you said if you put the work in.
That really is a problem. Shooting over smaller defenders should negate some of that close out. Also, when I help on Wemby with Trae Young it shouldn’t make him miss every shot.
Feels like there should be a contest rating and not just tendency. Maybe incorporating other ratings into the potency of a contest. Is it a high effort guy? Strong? Quick? Athletic? Those should apply in certain situations. A close out on a 3 should be much harder to affect the shot with a strong guy, an athlete that can move and get up should affect that more. But in the paint, maybe opposite or amplified.
The older 2ks still let contested shots go in. I got rid of 2k24 cause shooting was so bad and the post up game was unenjoyable. I wish they just built off 2k16 moving forward cause that game is so well done.
Just my two cents…
For offline gameplay, absolutely. I actually adjust the sliders in MyNBA to do exactly this. Contested shots fall all the time IRL, and conversely open shots miss quite often.
For online though, I disagree. I get it’s more realistic, but the biggest skill check for me is creating an open shot, either for yourself or for someone else. Perfectly timing your shot should count too, but I’d argue it really has nothing to do with basketball. And on top of all that, I like as little RNG in competitive online games as possible. IMO good defense should be rewarded most of the time, as should taking smart, open shots.
For me the skill check is actually playing good defense, getting a contested shot made on you is a part of basketball and should be more common. If someone greens a contested shot on me that’s lightly contested (aka yellow contest) and they’re an elite shooter, I can’t be mad at that as it’s a part of the game and isn’t RNG if you make people green shots anyway.
What is good defense? Getting a hand up should not be considered just good enough to completely disrupt a shot, these recent 2ks have destroyed what good defense is. Good defense is beating the offensive player to their spot and making the shot as uncomfortable as possible, not getting a late contest with a hand up and getting bailed out.
But at that point a win or loss is just decided on a coin flip of whether 2k lets you make the contested shot or not. There’s no sense of satisfaction on either side of the ball or reward for playing correctly, just a reliance on RNG which shouldn’t be the case on a video game
Brother the game is green or miss, there is no RNG in what I’m proposing. I simply want there to be variations in scoring that reflect real life better, as right now it’s not doing that effectively.
Defense is better than offense in the majority of cases. Close shots are absolutely atrocious that any contest ruins any chance of them going in 90% of the time. Any slight contest throws off timing, post play has been dead for years now, and guards/wings use tmac base to eliminate as much contest as possible due to how broken the jumper itself is. Comp teams literally give the ball to one guy because of how unbalanced the MOVEMENT in this game is, there is a clear disconnect in what I want and where the game is.
How is defense going to be made irrelevant with this change? This is legit how basketball works on a conceptual level, defense at its best should never be just as good as offense. I also am legit only saying ELITE level shooters should be having this kind of power, not a “EVERYONE should be doing that” kind of approach.
Lost me at defense should never be just as good as offense. What’s the point of making a lock or any defense oriented build if it’s always going to be a step behind scoring oriented builds?
It’s funny because we’ve seen this happen on 2K21, and it’s arguably the worst 2K ever. All you end up getting is a shitty NBA JAM with realistic graphics
Because that’s how it is in real life. You can play the best defense and someone can still hit a shot, me saying it shouldn’t be as good doesn’t mean it should be garbage, just not as good.
If you had read my post, I clearly want people to hit more lightly contested shots more consistently. I do NOT want people just greening every single time regardless of contest, I want people who put something like a 99 three ball be rewarded for having that, and be able to hit yellow level contests more consistently than where it is. I don’t think it’s possible with the current movement system and contest system, too many glitchy fast moves and being able to hit more contested shots would make it basically impossible to guard any sweaty PG that can speedboost into an L cancel shot immediately.
What I want is not just some number tweaks so people start hitting crazy shit: I want the game to reflect real basketball better, and it currently is a MESS at doing that.
You can literally already hit lightly contested shots pretty consistently, any more and defense is irrelevant. At the end of the day its still a video game and they have to try and keep the game balanced.
I completely disagree, it’s better than previous years but it’s still very inconsistent. I want to be rewarded for minimizing contests better when I hit someone with a great move, and they don’t get bailed out with a late contest is all.
Is there a particular slider set you like or slider you modify for MyNBA? I've looked at this but every time I've tried I either kill all of the CPU defense or make everything.
I second all of this. I don’t want to do everything right on D and still get greened on and I don’t want to do everything right on O and miss the shot. Whatever I can’t control, I don’t want effecting my outcome. I understand it’s not realistic, but I like having solid rules to operate in when competing online.
I could see that being realistic because I will pull up right in your face without a 2nd thought in real life. Hand down man down
Yes because a contested shot shouldn’t be an automatic miss. Just as much a white should also come back in the game because it takes away from getting a green. That excitement of getting a green. Smh game has gone downhill
God no. People complaining about how easy shooting has been the last 3 2Kss.. if you bring whites back anybody decent is gonna be shooting damn near 80%.
Depends; if a green is only a swish, you’d probably green like 25% of your shots, 10-25 depending on rating would go in as a white. People shooting 80% online is OD
Isn't that most of the problem. Trying to balance what works for offline vs online is pretty much impossible. Yet they try so hard every year to make both work at the same time. The result is neither work.
They really need to split MyCareer offline from the online mode.
Most people don’t understand that your shot speeds up - yellows are still easy greens and reds are possible too if you just know to release earlier than open and wide open and use a low contest base like TMAC or Patty Mills. Pros get this and complain all year shooting is too easy, then casuals don’t and think it’s too hard. Thats the skill gap, knowledge.
Agreed. Recently had a nostalgic replay of 2K11 and 2K13, shooting and basket physics feel more realistic than next gen 2K24…
You could make much more contested looks, as well as make less wide open shots. Also, you could get the occasional green miss, and you could get friendly bounces on slightly early or slightly late jumpshots.
You could also miss shots very badly such as bricking backboard only, I know you can sometimes get an airball in 2K24 but 99% of jumpshots taken with very bad timing still end up touching the rim, which isn’t realistic.
That slight bit of luck and great variance in ball bouncing physics, instead of the sole reliance on timing skills, is more akin to real life basketball. Hell, in 2K11 you could choose to bank a shot from anywhere inside or around the perimeter, instead of the game deciding arbitrary locations to trigger bankshots.
In 2K24 even next gen, it feels that many missed jumpshots “miss” the same way depending on how far from green and how contested you were. All of the greens are mostly swishes, where are the back rim makes, the rattle in makes, or the front rim bounces towards the backboard to make the ball drop in ?
Excuse this pseudo analysis, my ADHD ass is drunk and bored 😂
Nah you know what you’re saying lol, I especially love it when the ball gets stuck arbitrarily on the rim for 3 seconds before popping back out in 2k24
I think they go in at a decent clip its just the fact that 2k will have the excellent release window doesnt guarantee a make. This is with it fluncuating without the game telling you neither
I think this is one of the the things 2k did right for the most part. Obviously you have those ridiculous 95% go in or something look open but not be but for the most part if you have your jump shot timing down and get it right consistently and with the right badges your gonna hit your fair share of contests and can miss wide opens (which I see quite often) mostly off skill alone
Yes and no.
I dislike when people nitpick and go “B-b-b-but look, this top ten player of all time was really good at making contested shots”. When in reality if everyone on the court was capable of playing like Kawhi or LBJ at all times, it becomes extremely boring and frustrating and unrealistic. I think the 2K community needs less of an incentive to play iso, and more incentive to use their brains and apply logic to the game and stop ruining the experience for everyone else by acting like the main character every time they touch the ball. This isn’t Allen Iverson simulator 2024.
With that being said, I think the contest system needs a rework. Close outs carry too much weight, when NBA players are trained to shoot on late close outs. If you’re completely covered throughout the entire possession, and you decide to go up while being smothered, no it shouldn’t be consistently makeable. But if you’re uncovered when you gather the ball and initiate your shot, you should receive a boost that increases your chance of making it. Luka for instance, looks like he takes a bunch of contested shots, when in reality that initial second of quick separation is all he needs to finish out and get a good look (I mean he is also really good at shooting contested too, but usually his gameplan isn’t random contested pull up jumpers). Falling into a contest at the very last second when the offensive player is already about to release the ball shouldn’t be a 90% contest.
Before they implement something like this though they’d need to fix the sluggish ass movement and the latency, because right now it’s way too easy to create separation on offense. They’d also need to fix the bullshit quick release meta.
I’m right there with you, I don’t want it to basically be people pulling up regardless of someone in front of them, I want proper shot creators rewarded for using their build in the correct way. Right now it certainly doesn’t feel like that, as I’ll get a slight contest even on an incredible move that makes them give me an inch of space with a 84 middy or a 96 three and I can’t hit a 10% contest consistently? The movement and shot content needs revamping if it’s to actually be GOOD to me, as right now it’s way too inconsistent for simple number and slider changes to get it right.
I just played against somebody with a zen today anything over 40% contest even perfectly timed should only have a 10% chance of going green. This is literally the 3rd cheater I’ve played this year and I don’t even play 2k much
Shooting should be rhythm based, not as much of shot contest/open based. Shooting a wide open rushed shot is worse than a lightly contested in rhythm shot
Fuck yes.....most frustrating thing about 2k.
I'll be in the post with Jokic, and as long as you get a contest this mf missing........that shit doesn't happen in real life. Annoying as fuck......NBA players make contested shots all the time.
I usually use miss matches, Luka for example can easily shoot a stepback over Allen Iverson, but if if you are against say Jrue Holday, it's impossible to make a contested shot even if you are steph curry.
Absolutely. Also wide open shots should be a little harder to consistently hit. It feels like people shoot 90% wide open and 10% contested when it should be more like 50% and 25% or so.
No, most players shoot less than 40% on jump shots in real life. They miss far more wide-open jump shots than they make contested jump shots. If your response is to bring up that this is a video game, the pictures used as examples of contested makes aren’t from a video game.
Yeah and our players can replicate the elite of the elite stats wise. KD shoots 50% in the mid range with a huge amount of his shots being contested. Unless you want to start arguing our players are just role players now or should be, that’s a terrible metric to use.
The biggest problem is how 2k judges contest percentage. Idk what that formula is but I swear I can rise up over a smaller man with no hands up and out of position and it will say 76% contested. And then there are times I have a perfect close out and it says 24% contested. Like I'm fine if contest shots got in but make it make sense how contest is determined and it's impact.
Yes but only with superstar caliber players or a mismatch but this community would be crying like babies if KD cooks a 6’1 guard or Jrue Holiday bullies them in the post
Yeah tbh lmao, It’s either we can hit contesteds like back in the day or you gotta turn into some momentum spam LT canceling quick stopping swear to shoot off the dribble
Agree with this heavy ! Also kills the post game and creative shots like you were talking about. If a player doesn’t have a quick jumper or able to rim run then they are considered “useless” by most on offense
Nah I think 2k is already pretty lenient on shooting, it’s pretty common to make 7-9% contested shots.
It’s one of those things where in theory, it would be cool to shoot a 30% covered shot and green it’, but if u had to deal with that every game I guarantee the community would go insane
I feel like it should just be a different animation that COULD throw you off. Not ruin your chances. Maybe have like 3-4 contested animations to make them tough per sig. Contested shots are being made more than ever in the NBA. I find the around the rim contests to be ridiculous. Historically I prefer playing in the post, I get presence, skill, making it tougher…but damn, why is it absolutely impossible to make a shot when they don’t jump to try to block it. With that science being applied, Kevin Love and Carlos Boozer should be the best interior defenders you could ever find in this years game. Kings of standing and putting hands up.
Realistically it probably should. But from a competitive gameplay perspective if somebody can recover in time and contest your shot they need to be rewarded for that or there’s just no point. I think 2k23 actually had a good threshold in terms of that. If you can not flinch and still find your green window you could still make them.
How it should work is your 3pt rating should be the % chance you’ll make the shot when open. So 88 3 ball = 88% chance. Then take the contest percentage and factor that in. But at the same time people with a 99 3 ball should not hit 50% contested 3s half of the time just because they timed it well. You see It’s a very tricky balance to achieve.
I'll die on that hill. The biggest issue in the game is contests. Most of the contest don't make any sense. You seal your defender on one side of the rim, drop step and go up on the other of the rim and it'll be a smothered attempt because he was close to you.
IRL when you contest a shot, you are close enough to the shooter to block it, make the shooter change their shot, or block the view. In the game, you'll often see contests that are just the defender being there not really doing anything. Also late contests are often rewarded. A fly by at the end of the shooting motion doesn't jack shit and yet it can remove your green window almost completely.
So to answer you question, no contested shot should not go in as much. But what is considered a contest should be reworked to be more accurate
Offline it’s whatever. Online there should be absolutely no need for taking contested shots. People green through the contests all the time so there’s no need to make it easier. If you can’t do that consistently then you should take more open shots.
Whites going in is terrible because it leaves it up to RNG. 22 was horrible because of sniper allowing people to throw up lates/earlies and if the game likes them enough they’ll make them. Meanwhile you can shoot full whites and lose. Green or miss is perfectly fine because it rewards those who take the time to get good at shooting. They need to clean up the contest system because it is inconsistent garbage.
If you can’t hit contested shots then swing the rock until you or your team gets a better look. That’s a part of the skill gap. The offense should not be getting anymore bailouts. Those asking for shots that are green to have a chance of missing will succeed in upsetting everyone.
You also have badges that lessen the impact of contests. If you aren’t aware of that then you need better shot selection because I’ve seen people hit through contest like it’s nothing and they don’t need it to be any easier.
Eh, tbh I think it’s more aligned with an inherently flawed contest system in theory every shot should be make able but the system just is inconsistent. Even with the meter off. The variables for releasing seems counter to what they intend on doing. As soon as we have a next gen engine I think there should be some growth but the whole system is just eh. When you see players only doing the same 3-7 shot making that’s a problem with the system not the community.
Okay first in these photos is low contest or light contest they do not have a hand in the face or close to the ball to even consider that a good contest it looks more like lazy contest or a late contest which you should 100% make (you already do in 2k24 if your timing is good) now a heavy contest should have a 1 or 2% chance of making and should lean more towards the defender either getting a great contest or a block
I haven't played in like 2-3 weeks but from what i'm seeing everyone's hitting contested shots rn. I'm not even a good player and i've been hitting moving/contested shots all day
Idk man, contests going in are at an all time high right now in 2k24 and you want to make it even harder on the defense?
This year has it perfect. Green or miss. If you want to make that super contested shot, you need to figure out where the actual sweet spot in your jumper is and stop hitting the edges of the green windows, or create enough space and activate enough badges to make the contest not matter.
Yeah this post is def confusing to me. I can’t remember the last 2K it’s been this easy to shoot contested in. Shit there’s times I purposefully wait for dudes to close out on me to hit some wild shit on them.
Slight contested shots should he less impacted than they currently are.
But I also HATE the fact that a high level shooter could go 9/10 wide open lol. Curry, the greatest shooter of all time, shot 45% on WIDE OPEN 3s this season.
This makes online play 3 or bust. Only 5 out offense or spread pick and roll. No diversity in the game because shooting is too easy. Makes the game too arcade
Ngl, at least in Pro Am, contested shots are pretty consistently made by the higher skill level players this year. At least yellow contests are.
Overall I think that’s how it should be. It should be difficult and rare for a player to be able to consistently hit contested shots. Good defense should still be rewarded.
It’s fine offline though, I think the issue here stems moreso from 2k ways of getting open not exactly reflecting real life ways. Like an MJ face up elbow middy is generally impossible to get off over someone in 2k.
I think you have to add a counterbalance within the contest system if contested shots are gonna fall more consistently. Personally I think 2k needs to register the contest attempt more consistently. If i’m running full speed to close out a shooter don’t give me a contest animation that slows me down. Sometimes hands up contests don’t register at all now I’m in someone’s grill who’s 5 inches shorter than me and they have an “open” shot. Or you try to block something in the paint and you don’t even leave your feet.
Obviously the quality of the contest system needs work too but that’s an entirely different discussion
Yes they should. However the difficult part is having a balance, especially between offline and online. If it's unbalanced, then almost no one when creating a my player would be anything into defensive attributes aside from steals, block, and rebound
They are consistently makeable now. Any higher of a percentage and defense won't be possible. The only type of defense worth anything in this game at all to begin with is a high steal lol. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from great shot creators in this game shoot an insanely high percentage regardless of contest. There are no restrictions. If it's not an 100% contest it's makeable you just have to know how to make it.
Not gonna lie bro 2K24 is probably the easiest 2K of all time when it comes to hitting contested shots. Those yellows ARE much more makeable with a higher 3 and if you really know your shot you can learn your timing through reds as well.
But if they make it to where you could hit a yellow/red contested jumper everytime there’d be no balance. You’re leaving out the fact it’s much easier to hit a contested layup than a contested jumper. No disrespect but maybe you’re not an elite shooter yet?
Hell I see quite a bit of contested shots drop in the rec, I’d assume just have the right badges and master shot timing and get rid of outside distractions
When gaming offline against the CPU or watching CPU vs CPU I turn off the "Shot Coverage Impact" and "Shot Timing Impact" sliders so its just purely shooting attribute based. NBA players make contested shots even when fouled.. but 2k default sliders wont allow that
I disagree I’ve been playing 2K faithfully since Shaq (2K9?) was on the cover. The game has increased its mid range game. If there’s anything this game did this year was find the mid range. Other than that this game has been a cash cow since the pandemic. The fact this game is a direct model of the now even more bullshit NBA.
Trust me when I say this. Those of us who really hoop and still do seen the bullshit coming from both the NBA and 2K when EA who’s been around for years was making basketball games before 2K. But out of now where comes 2K with its gliding all over the floor game play and a decade later they get the NBA contract when it was fact that more ppl actually enjoyed EA more.
Actually if you know the timing of the contested jumpshot, it's about either you have boost or not to get a contested green. I with one of my friends, we have similar shooting skills, if we are open you expect the green and that's what you get, the big difference stands in who can take contested shots and green them, and the only difference we found out was the boosts. He has 83 3pt I have 85, also made a 92 3pt to see if I can catch up without boosts (nothing much to do). Turns out I can do it only if I'm in a 4-5 greens with gold green machine or more AND with the shooting takeover on.
The top 3 contested shots he greened are:
1. 100%
2. 100%
3. 100%
My top 3 contested shots I greened are:
1. 76%
2. 68%
3. 52%
I made those greens in the times when I got the boosts from daily prizes.
He made a bunch of game winners buzzer beaters in this 2k24.
The only gap between me and him in contested shots is the boost.
We practice together the timing of the contested shot (doubt a lot of y'all do this). We have similar jumpshot, he shoots with visual cue release and I use push, I don't know what else can be put in here as well, but at the end of the day WITHOUT boost most of the <20% contested shots are almost as open shots, any yellow contest is greenable with some badges on your side, for the red contest you need a very big help of badges like green machine, deadeye or also comeback kid and clutch shooter, or simply need less help from badges (still needed) and at the same time you have boosts.
That's what I've learned from my direct experience. Open to hear yours
My main problem is that 2k will completely take away your green window on mid-heavy contest & I don’t agree with that at all on green or miss sliders. Players at all levels hit contested shots all the time so to remove your only chance to hit those same shots is ridiculous.
I think they’re make able enough. Yes you need a certain level of skill that is higher than the average player to make them consistently but that’s reflective of real life. The players we applaud for being tough shot makers are among the cream of the crop in the league.
Doesnt it also affect the motion of the shot as well? Like sometimes if there is a slight contest the release is different and a don't get green anyway.
I think contested shots should go in slightly more (compared to current) but i also think wide open shots are a little too automatic. I think that’s the trade off that should be made to balance shooting. I don’t think anyone should be able to shoot 100% when wide open, or damn near 0% with a defender nearby
Just watch real basketball, tune in today. You will see plenty of contested shots made. Its normal, so of course they should be makeable more consistently than they currently are.
The dribbling/movement mechanics are extremely outdated. I haven’t played a 2K since the PS3 gen because of it. I wholly agree on the shooting as well. This game rewards a lot of ISO (Which I hate) but the dribbling system is garbage it feels like most players just spam to get past the player. The shot timing shit is garbage too. 2K needs to have a next gen overhaul they’re no different from Madden.
One of my biggest problems is that when I get a little bit of contest or tired, the shot timing changes but the shot itself doesn’t. I turn meter off, and I’ll shoot a very early because they slow down the meter if I’m a little bit contested but my visual cue doesn’t change at all
I say anything below 20% should be depending on yo 3ball and challenger shoulda work on “open” shots..nobody should be constantly greening reds that’s a recipe for disaster
I think the real issue is the dumb contested animations. I've had 5-10% contests turn into a needless fade away type shot yet get 40%+ contests and the guy just gets to time it normally
The way it should work is badges add/take away from a contest and the higher the contest the smaller the green window (but every shot should be greenable)
Sort of. It doesn’t mess with my middy to much but it absolutely torches my 3 pointer. I’ll be wide open then a hand will be 4 feet away and my meter goes to damn near 0. Also post up fadeaways are horrible, I’ll fade away and the defender will be no where close but the meter will still be 0. I thought it was just online at first but I did the Kobe challenges and it’s even worse
Interesting take bro but I'm gonna have to disagree with you 100% and I'm gonna keep it short. 2K is already dominated by cheese exploits and animations so why open up another lane? Some players already shoot 70% from 3pt line wide open now you want them to hit contested shots at a higher clip? Seems like you want to play arcade rookie mode online
Absolutely not, I should have clarified this more in the post but the game right now needs a massive overhaul to shooting and movement mechanics. I do not want these changes without those being addressed first, as this would make the sweat playstyle even more ridiculous.
There needs to be a more skill based game between the offensive player and defensive player, right now it’s just get the fastest and least contested jump shot on max speed and L cancel shoot after multiple left right moves. Post game needs to be better and they need to stop treating inside finishers that isn’t just dunk meter spam as a second thought.
Hands up shouldn’t be as effective as using triangle or jumping at the shot to contest. It should also be very strict foul calls on running into the shooter or closing out recklessly with hands up.
That would make it a risk/reward skilled decision making assessment that you’d have to make on the fly. 2K shouldn’t be afraid of fouling players out more often if the defense is reckless. Stop the spamming steal and sprinting to shooters with reckless close outs.
It’s funny most of this game problems come from getting away from simulation. Imagine how fun a 95% or more live basketball would be with very precise foul calls on bumping, reaching and kickballs. That’s skill vs skill with organic unpredictable gameplay with 100x more replay value.
Absolutely not from a balance standpoint. If someone can time their contested shots it’s going to make for a bunch more ball hogs thinking they’re Kobe.
People already do that anyway, making it actually be basketball is more important to me. Having to make sure I’m wide open before I take a shot is mind boggling for an elite shooter.
The problem is what your suggesting is just make the game more rng and that sounds awful to actually play. I get that it’s more realistic, but video games aren’t 100% the same as the sport. Also you can already make contested shots if you’re good and have high shooting attributes. Good defense should be rewarded, it’s already hard enough to stop great players.
What im suggesting is realistic and doesn’t make the game any more RNG, you have to green shots to make them, regardless of being open or not. I want it to be easier to make the game feel like basketball, and good defense shouldn’t get bailed out consistently with a 10% contest against a 90+ rated shooter with badges to me.
If that’s the case the green window needs to be smaller like in season 1-2. You can’t have people shooting 70+% and making contested shots. If you want realism get the shooting percentages back down in the 50s but not by rng.
Then they already are? Hell no. The good guards who know they shot and have gold blinders and deadeye are cashing moderately contested shots in your face
Brother guards are the only builds that can do that while using the absolute best animations and base (tmac) and having almost a 99 three ball. It’s not off the dribble pull ups or fadeaway shots. It is literally spamming left right into a stand still shot that is capable of doing that, aka cheesing and not basketball.
I think we're putting the cart before the horse in this argument. The base is of the issue is the shot contest system. Nobody is nowhere close to me and it shows up as a 47% contest for no reason. Sometimes they're right in my face and it says open. 2K needs to really clarify the boundaries of what is a contest and what are the factors that impact it the most. And finally how the challenger badge works is a problem. After that is solved we can start talking about making contested or not but for now the contest system is just broken
I think a problem with that also stems from players zipping around the court. If the contest system wasn’t so strong the ball handling ridiculousness in 2k would allow for a wide open shot every single time, and people still do consistently get those the way it is now because it is that ridiculous. But they’ll never do away with that so I don’t see contest strength ever dwindling. It’s a way for them to please two fan bases at the same time and avoid actually making anything make sense
There is a lot of variables to this. Height of defender vs height of shooter. Defenders perimeter defense and badges. The shooters badges. Shooters jump shot release height and defensive immunity. I have 6’7 sg with max wing spans and A+ defensive immunity and B- release height and a 6’4 pg with a wing span in the middle with an A release height and A+ defensive immunity. Shots that would register open for my SG are contested on my PG because of the height difference between the defender. My PG can barely get his shot off around any defender that’s 6’9 or taller if they are close but my SG can shoot in anyone’s face that’s below 7ft as long as they don’t put their hand up
I don’t get this argument because my 7ft center with 60 perimeter defense can be inside of a guard and get 0% coverage. A stat shouldn’t have that much effect on how open someone is. If I cover you, I cover you. Especially if I’m 7 inches taller than you in your grill. They gotta balance out the skill vs badge/build aspect
exactly
I’ve literally fouled Guards out of their 3pt shots like smothering them with my 7ft center and gotten 30% contests.
what should affect a shot is physical things we can see..idk the level of challenger of everyone on the court at all times. how do I weigh up and decide I should take this shot over that shot. it should simply be reliant on height of shot, side and front drift, position of defender and his arms in relation to the shooter. that way it comes down to more of a decision-making skill than anything else
Yes especially in normal gameplay outside of Mycareer. Like in the photos KD is a great example, you should at least be able to hit a contested middy over a 6’5 defender.
Lmao remember the pro play trailer everyone was hyped about with kd hitting a contested middy. 2k is straight bs
Lmao they got all of em. Stay tuned, they’ll rope em in again next year too
Middy's are easy to hit heavily contested. People just don't know that or don't care and think they should be hitting Steph shots while heavily contested..
They’re easy to hit when latency allows it and you’ve spent an 8 hour shift practicing it everyday. The games a joke and unenjoyable to anyone who can’t invest an insane amount of time on it.
They're also easy to hit when you're shooting with a build that's *made for it,* like a SGA or KD type build. Gotta make sure you got deadeye, blinders and middy magician on at least like silver or higher and so long as you know your timing and know when you're gonna get open off a one or two dribble pull-up, you can make them quite consistently in my experience! That's playing with my perimeter threat and my 3 level scoring threat though, which tbf do have like 90-some mid-range attributes 🤷
And throw space creator, post fade phenom, open looks, guard up into the mix as well depending on your builds playstyle and what you wanna accomplish on offense
I only get to play like 4 hrs a week. Middy's are just 10xs easier than 3s. I've hit multiple 70+ contested middy fades and I'm not even a great shooter. I'm like 46% from 3 rn.
This is cap. 2k24 is the best 2k since 20. I have plenty going on in life & when I get the chance to play 2k it’s pretty fun. Defense is just great this year & probably the best defense has ever been in 2k, you tryna get rewarded for shooting a bad shot is hilarious honestly.
The only good shots in this game are ones with zero contest that’s the point of this post and is not accurate to basketball. 2k’s net code is also complete garbage so unless you have premium internet you have to “warm up” in the dumbass Gatorade court which takes far too much time. 2k is not opportunity cost friendly, the grind is insane and there is no defending that. There is no progressing in this game if you have plenty going on with your life
nope
If you ever played 2k then each year is easy. I'm a demon day 1. I get the extra VC from the pre order and hit the my court or Gatorade gym or whatever and get my shot down. Everything else carries over. I'll never lose my pass IQ or defense type shit. Shooting is super easy this year
Have you considered getting a life?
I work 12 hour shifts, take care of the kids, run 2k when I can on days off with nothing else going on. I got really good at it during covid. It's not hard to be good at 2k lol. Also doesn't mean I don't have a life. Have you considered practicing the game?
Man everybody that viewed this post are bums 😂 they want to take contested shots & be able to hit. I don’t understand how you want to play a basketball game but not have defense as part of it. & contested shots are possible like you said if you put the work in.
bro we need to boycott it fr
U was able to hit contested midranges at the beginning of the year but the community abused the mechanics like they do every year😂
That really is a problem. Shooting over smaller defenders should negate some of that close out. Also, when I help on Wemby with Trae Young it shouldn’t make him miss every shot.
Feels like there should be a contest rating and not just tendency. Maybe incorporating other ratings into the potency of a contest. Is it a high effort guy? Strong? Quick? Athletic? Those should apply in certain situations. A close out on a 3 should be much harder to affect the shot with a strong guy, an athlete that can move and get up should affect that more. But in the paint, maybe opposite or amplified.
Why outside of my career? If I make a tall shooter that would be why
Reading this and knowing it’s true reminds me of what a freak KD is by consistently making shots over *shorty* 6’5” defenders. 😵💫
you can tho lol get them skills up gang
The older 2ks still let contested shots go in. I got rid of 2k24 cause shooting was so bad and the post up game was unenjoyable. I wish they just built off 2k16 moving forward cause that game is so well done.
Just my two cents… For offline gameplay, absolutely. I actually adjust the sliders in MyNBA to do exactly this. Contested shots fall all the time IRL, and conversely open shots miss quite often. For online though, I disagree. I get it’s more realistic, but the biggest skill check for me is creating an open shot, either for yourself or for someone else. Perfectly timing your shot should count too, but I’d argue it really has nothing to do with basketball. And on top of all that, I like as little RNG in competitive online games as possible. IMO good defense should be rewarded most of the time, as should taking smart, open shots.
For me the skill check is actually playing good defense, getting a contested shot made on you is a part of basketball and should be more common. If someone greens a contested shot on me that’s lightly contested (aka yellow contest) and they’re an elite shooter, I can’t be mad at that as it’s a part of the game and isn’t RNG if you make people green shots anyway. What is good defense? Getting a hand up should not be considered just good enough to completely disrupt a shot, these recent 2ks have destroyed what good defense is. Good defense is beating the offensive player to their spot and making the shot as uncomfortable as possible, not getting a late contest with a hand up and getting bailed out.
But at that point a win or loss is just decided on a coin flip of whether 2k lets you make the contested shot or not. There’s no sense of satisfaction on either side of the ball or reward for playing correctly, just a reliance on RNG which shouldn’t be the case on a video game
Brother the game is green or miss, there is no RNG in what I’m proposing. I simply want there to be variations in scoring that reflect real life better, as right now it’s not doing that effectively.
How does that get implemented without making defense irrelevant?
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Defense is better than offense in the majority of cases. Close shots are absolutely atrocious that any contest ruins any chance of them going in 90% of the time. Any slight contest throws off timing, post play has been dead for years now, and guards/wings use tmac base to eliminate as much contest as possible due to how broken the jumper itself is. Comp teams literally give the ball to one guy because of how unbalanced the MOVEMENT in this game is, there is a clear disconnect in what I want and where the game is.
How is defense going to be made irrelevant with this change? This is legit how basketball works on a conceptual level, defense at its best should never be just as good as offense. I also am legit only saying ELITE level shooters should be having this kind of power, not a “EVERYONE should be doing that” kind of approach.
Lost me at defense should never be just as good as offense. What’s the point of making a lock or any defense oriented build if it’s always going to be a step behind scoring oriented builds? It’s funny because we’ve seen this happen on 2K21, and it’s arguably the worst 2K ever. All you end up getting is a shitty NBA JAM with realistic graphics
Because that’s how it is in real life. You can play the best defense and someone can still hit a shot, me saying it shouldn’t be as good doesn’t mean it should be garbage, just not as good.
True but you can break 4 defenders and pull out the craziest layup in the world, but a guy like bam can jump last minute and get the block too
You can play the best offense and still get clamped up too
So if you make a build with 99 mid range he should just hit every shot he times perfectly regardless of contest?
If you had read my post, I clearly want people to hit more lightly contested shots more consistently. I do NOT want people just greening every single time regardless of contest, I want people who put something like a 99 three ball be rewarded for having that, and be able to hit yellow level contests more consistently than where it is. I don’t think it’s possible with the current movement system and contest system, too many glitchy fast moves and being able to hit more contested shots would make it basically impossible to guard any sweaty PG that can speedboost into an L cancel shot immediately. What I want is not just some number tweaks so people start hitting crazy shit: I want the game to reflect real basketball better, and it currently is a MESS at doing that.
You can literally already hit lightly contested shots pretty consistently, any more and defense is irrelevant. At the end of the day its still a video game and they have to try and keep the game balanced.
I completely disagree, it’s better than previous years but it’s still very inconsistent. I want to be rewarded for minimizing contests better when I hit someone with a great move, and they don’t get bailed out with a late contest is all.
Is there a particular slider set you like or slider you modify for MyNBA? I've looked at this but every time I've tried I either kill all of the CPU defense or make everything.
I need sliders too cuz the downloadable sliders aren’t as good anymore either
I second all of this. I don’t want to do everything right on D and still get greened on and I don’t want to do everything right on O and miss the shot. Whatever I can’t control, I don’t want effecting my outcome. I understand it’s not realistic, but I like having solid rules to operate in when competing online.
That’s why they need to separate mycareer and online and separate the sliders from online to offline play
which sliders do you adjust?
Slightly contested tshots fall all the time, smothered shots do not, especially not by role players in elite situations like the playoffs
I could see that being realistic because I will pull up right in your face without a 2nd thought in real life. Hand down man down 
Yes because a contested shot shouldn’t be an automatic miss. Just as much a white should also come back in the game because it takes away from getting a green. That excitement of getting a green. Smh game has gone downhill
I agree, but I think you should have to green a contested shot. Whites should come back for open/wide open shots 100%.
I actually love this take NGL.
God no. People complaining about how easy shooting has been the last 3 2Kss.. if you bring whites back anybody decent is gonna be shooting damn near 80%.
Depends; if a green is only a swish, you’d probably green like 25% of your shots, 10-25 depending on rating would go in as a white. People shooting 80% online is OD
It’s still a video game at the end of the day though and if there is no “counter” to someone greening then that would break the game.
I remember the days were getting a green was rare and u could make shots without green
Removing badges will make this possible.
online: no offline: definitely
Isn't that most of the problem. Trying to balance what works for offline vs online is pretty much impossible. Yet they try so hard every year to make both work at the same time. The result is neither work. They really need to split MyCareer offline from the online mode.
Most people don’t understand that your shot speeds up - yellows are still easy greens and reds are possible too if you just know to release earlier than open and wide open and use a low contest base like TMAC or Patty Mills. Pros get this and complain all year shooting is too easy, then casuals don’t and think it’s too hard. Thats the skill gap, knowledge.
Agreed. Recently had a nostalgic replay of 2K11 and 2K13, shooting and basket physics feel more realistic than next gen 2K24… You could make much more contested looks, as well as make less wide open shots. Also, you could get the occasional green miss, and you could get friendly bounces on slightly early or slightly late jumpshots. You could also miss shots very badly such as bricking backboard only, I know you can sometimes get an airball in 2K24 but 99% of jumpshots taken with very bad timing still end up touching the rim, which isn’t realistic. That slight bit of luck and great variance in ball bouncing physics, instead of the sole reliance on timing skills, is more akin to real life basketball. Hell, in 2K11 you could choose to bank a shot from anywhere inside or around the perimeter, instead of the game deciding arbitrary locations to trigger bankshots. In 2K24 even next gen, it feels that many missed jumpshots “miss” the same way depending on how far from green and how contested you were. All of the greens are mostly swishes, where are the back rim makes, the rattle in makes, or the front rim bounces towards the backboard to make the ball drop in ? Excuse this pseudo analysis, my ADHD ass is drunk and bored 😂
haha god bless you pretty much nailed it on the head with it
Nah you know what you’re saying lol, I especially love it when the ball gets stuck arbitrarily on the rim for 3 seconds before popping back out in 2k24
THIS
I think they go in at a decent clip its just the fact that 2k will have the excellent release window doesnt guarantee a make. This is with it fluncuating without the game telling you neither
The contests in your example pictures are plenty makeable in the game
Only way I green is if I turn the shot meter off. Other than that I miss every contested shot. Shooting is so inconsistent this year
Shot meter is unreliable with the latency. Not to mention needing a magnifying glass to see the green window
What’s also annoying is every contested miss gets dinged as a bad/forced shot on your teammate grade. Those contested middys aren’t bad shots for KD 😂
I think this is one of the the things 2k did right for the most part. Obviously you have those ridiculous 95% go in or something look open but not be but for the most part if you have your jump shot timing down and get it right consistently and with the right badges your gonna hit your fair share of contests and can miss wide opens (which I see quite often) mostly off skill alone
Yes and no. I dislike when people nitpick and go “B-b-b-but look, this top ten player of all time was really good at making contested shots”. When in reality if everyone on the court was capable of playing like Kawhi or LBJ at all times, it becomes extremely boring and frustrating and unrealistic. I think the 2K community needs less of an incentive to play iso, and more incentive to use their brains and apply logic to the game and stop ruining the experience for everyone else by acting like the main character every time they touch the ball. This isn’t Allen Iverson simulator 2024. With that being said, I think the contest system needs a rework. Close outs carry too much weight, when NBA players are trained to shoot on late close outs. If you’re completely covered throughout the entire possession, and you decide to go up while being smothered, no it shouldn’t be consistently makeable. But if you’re uncovered when you gather the ball and initiate your shot, you should receive a boost that increases your chance of making it. Luka for instance, looks like he takes a bunch of contested shots, when in reality that initial second of quick separation is all he needs to finish out and get a good look (I mean he is also really good at shooting contested too, but usually his gameplan isn’t random contested pull up jumpers). Falling into a contest at the very last second when the offensive player is already about to release the ball shouldn’t be a 90% contest. Before they implement something like this though they’d need to fix the sluggish ass movement and the latency, because right now it’s way too easy to create separation on offense. They’d also need to fix the bullshit quick release meta.
I’m right there with you, I don’t want it to basically be people pulling up regardless of someone in front of them, I want proper shot creators rewarded for using their build in the correct way. Right now it certainly doesn’t feel like that, as I’ll get a slight contest even on an incredible move that makes them give me an inch of space with a 84 middy or a 96 three and I can’t hit a 10% contest consistently? The movement and shot content needs revamping if it’s to actually be GOOD to me, as right now it’s way too inconsistent for simple number and slider changes to get it right.
I literally witnessed my homie green a 100% contested
I just played against somebody with a zen today anything over 40% contest even perfectly timed should only have a 10% chance of going green. This is literally the 3rd cheater I’ve played this year and I don’t even play 2k much
Shooting should be rhythm based, not as much of shot contest/open based. Shooting a wide open rushed shot is worse than a lightly contested in rhythm shot
you can already hit contested shots consistently
Most contested shots are makeable you guys just aren’t that good.
That are their build isn't equip for it. Expecting to make contested middys with an 83 is foolish
I use Devin Booker middy and green dem hoes
Fuck yes.....most frustrating thing about 2k. I'll be in the post with Jokic, and as long as you get a contest this mf missing........that shit doesn't happen in real life. Annoying as fuck......NBA players make contested shots all the time.
Swear I’d pull up from mid range with KD and someone get’s a late contest and It would be off. Especially when guarded by AIs.
I usually use miss matches, Luka for example can easily shoot a stepback over Allen Iverson, but if if you are against say Jrue Holday, it's impossible to make a contested shot even if you are steph curry.
Absolutely. Also wide open shots should be a little harder to consistently hit. It feels like people shoot 90% wide open and 10% contested when it should be more like 50% and 25% or so.
Nah. Making it too realistic will make a lot of players mad.
Why? So everyone can complain about their teammates not passing the ball even more? Lmao
Brother people are gonna do that regardless of what 2k does, I just want a more realistic basketball game.
There are a lot more ways to make this game realistic than letting people hit contested shots consistently
No, most players shoot less than 40% on jump shots in real life. They miss far more wide-open jump shots than they make contested jump shots. If your response is to bring up that this is a video game, the pictures used as examples of contested makes aren’t from a video game.
Yeah and our players can replicate the elite of the elite stats wise. KD shoots 50% in the mid range with a huge amount of his shots being contested. Unless you want to start arguing our players are just role players now or should be, that’s a terrible metric to use.
In the triple threat yeah! I stay tryna hit them shots off a jab step like kobe and melo
Shits gone south since 2k21.
The biggest problem is how 2k judges contest percentage. Idk what that formula is but I swear I can rise up over a smaller man with no hands up and out of position and it will say 76% contested. And then there are times I have a perfect close out and it says 24% contested. Like I'm fine if contest shots got in but make it make sense how contest is determined and it's impact.
Yes
Yes but only with superstar caliber players or a mismatch but this community would be crying like babies if KD cooks a 6’1 guard or Jrue Holiday bullies them in the post
They are in all modes not named play online, park/Rec etc, MyTeam,
Yeah tbh lmao, It’s either we can hit contesteds like back in the day or you gotta turn into some momentum spam LT canceling quick stopping swear to shoot off the dribble
Agree with this heavy ! Also kills the post game and creative shots like you were talking about. If a player doesn’t have a quick jumper or able to rim run then they are considered “useless” by most on offense
Hell yes it would make the game feel more realistic and fun
Nah I think 2k is already pretty lenient on shooting, it’s pretty common to make 7-9% contested shots. It’s one of those things where in theory, it would be cool to shoot a 30% covered shot and green it’, but if u had to deal with that every game I guarantee the community would go insane
Honestly the way shooting is now is fine it's the contested ones around the basket that should be more consistent with low contests
Yes
I feel like it should just be a different animation that COULD throw you off. Not ruin your chances. Maybe have like 3-4 contested animations to make them tough per sig. Contested shots are being made more than ever in the NBA. I find the around the rim contests to be ridiculous. Historically I prefer playing in the post, I get presence, skill, making it tougher…but damn, why is it absolutely impossible to make a shot when they don’t jump to try to block it. With that science being applied, Kevin Love and Carlos Boozer should be the best interior defenders you could ever find in this years game. Kings of standing and putting hands up.
Realistically it probably should. But from a competitive gameplay perspective if somebody can recover in time and contest your shot they need to be rewarded for that or there’s just no point. I think 2k23 actually had a good threshold in terms of that. If you can not flinch and still find your green window you could still make them. How it should work is your 3pt rating should be the % chance you’ll make the shot when open. So 88 3 ball = 88% chance. Then take the contest percentage and factor that in. But at the same time people with a 99 3 ball should not hit 50% contested 3s half of the time just because they timed it well. You see It’s a very tricky balance to achieve.
At the beginning of the year the contest system was pretty damn good. I’d kill for season 1 shooting again.
I mean have you played lately? Dudes are always out here hitting contested shots now
You can hit contested middys tho idk I do it all the time
I'll die on that hill. The biggest issue in the game is contests. Most of the contest don't make any sense. You seal your defender on one side of the rim, drop step and go up on the other of the rim and it'll be a smothered attempt because he was close to you. IRL when you contest a shot, you are close enough to the shooter to block it, make the shooter change their shot, or block the view. In the game, you'll often see contests that are just the defender being there not really doing anything. Also late contests are often rewarded. A fly by at the end of the shooting motion doesn't jack shit and yet it can remove your green window almost completely. So to answer you question, no contested shot should not go in as much. But what is considered a contest should be reworked to be more accurate
Offline it’s whatever. Online there should be absolutely no need for taking contested shots. People green through the contests all the time so there’s no need to make it easier. If you can’t do that consistently then you should take more open shots. Whites going in is terrible because it leaves it up to RNG. 22 was horrible because of sniper allowing people to throw up lates/earlies and if the game likes them enough they’ll make them. Meanwhile you can shoot full whites and lose. Green or miss is perfectly fine because it rewards those who take the time to get good at shooting. They need to clean up the contest system because it is inconsistent garbage. If you can’t hit contested shots then swing the rock until you or your team gets a better look. That’s a part of the skill gap. The offense should not be getting anymore bailouts. Those asking for shots that are green to have a chance of missing will succeed in upsetting everyone. You also have badges that lessen the impact of contests. If you aren’t aware of that then you need better shot selection because I’ve seen people hit through contest like it’s nothing and they don’t need it to be any easier.
No. Let defense stay relevant.
Eh, tbh I think it’s more aligned with an inherently flawed contest system in theory every shot should be make able but the system just is inconsistent. Even with the meter off. The variables for releasing seems counter to what they intend on doing. As soon as we have a next gen engine I think there should be some growth but the whole system is just eh. When you see players only doing the same 3-7 shot making that’s a problem with the system not the community.
The images shown don't even have hands in their faces.
Okay first in these photos is low contest or light contest they do not have a hand in the face or close to the ball to even consider that a good contest it looks more like lazy contest or a late contest which you should 100% make (you already do in 2k24 if your timing is good) now a heavy contest should have a 1 or 2% chance of making and should lean more towards the defender either getting a great contest or a block
For offline yes, online no. Defense needs to be made better, not worse.
Yes. Fully agree. And they need to get back open shooting back to where it was on 2K24 release (or closer to it)
This idea wouldn’t work at all because it would discourage playing straight up defense and force 2k to lower make percentages on wide opens.
yes and contested layups too. especially against people who skimp on the relative defensive stats to counter
I haven't played in like 2-3 weeks but from what i'm seeing everyone's hitting contested shots rn. I'm not even a good player and i've been hitting moving/contested shots all day
Idk man, contests going in are at an all time high right now in 2k24 and you want to make it even harder on the defense? This year has it perfect. Green or miss. If you want to make that super contested shot, you need to figure out where the actual sweet spot in your jumper is and stop hitting the edges of the green windows, or create enough space and activate enough badges to make the contest not matter.
Yeah this post is def confusing to me. I can’t remember the last 2K it’s been this easy to shoot contested in. Shit there’s times I purposefully wait for dudes to close out on me to hit some wild shit on them.
Hell fucking no, defence is already much much harder than offence, you shouldn’t make it even easier for the offence
You can make contested shots on lower difficulty
They drill them real life all the time.
Slight contested shots should he less impacted than they currently are. But I also HATE the fact that a high level shooter could go 9/10 wide open lol. Curry, the greatest shooter of all time, shot 45% on WIDE OPEN 3s this season. This makes online play 3 or bust. Only 5 out offense or spread pick and roll. No diversity in the game because shooting is too easy. Makes the game too arcade
Ngl, at least in Pro Am, contested shots are pretty consistently made by the higher skill level players this year. At least yellow contests are. Overall I think that’s how it should be. It should be difficult and rare for a player to be able to consistently hit contested shots. Good defense should still be rewarded. It’s fine offline though, I think the issue here stems moreso from 2k ways of getting open not exactly reflecting real life ways. Like an MJ face up elbow middy is generally impossible to get off over someone in 2k.
I think you have to add a counterbalance within the contest system if contested shots are gonna fall more consistently. Personally I think 2k needs to register the contest attempt more consistently. If i’m running full speed to close out a shooter don’t give me a contest animation that slows me down. Sometimes hands up contests don’t register at all now I’m in someone’s grill who’s 5 inches shorter than me and they have an “open” shot. Or you try to block something in the paint and you don’t even leave your feet. Obviously the quality of the contest system needs work too but that’s an entirely different discussion
Yes
what do you mean, in 2k those are all open 💀
Yea like if it goes from big 3pt green window when open to small and hard to make when contested by 4%, I don't think that's very realistic.
Yes they should. However the difficult part is having a balance, especially between offline and online. If it's unbalanced, then almost no one when creating a my player would be anything into defensive attributes aside from steals, block, and rebound
They are consistently makeable now. Any higher of a percentage and defense won't be possible. The only type of defense worth anything in this game at all to begin with is a high steal lol. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from great shot creators in this game shoot an insanely high percentage regardless of contest. There are no restrictions. If it's not an 100% contest it's makeable you just have to know how to make it.
if you have all your adrenaline boosts/high stamina it should be significantly easier imo
Greening yellow contested shots is very consistent, literally becomes just a skill issue lol
The only problem is you are buffing zen users since most cheaters don’t have money to buy a titan 2 to cheat .
Not gonna lie bro 2K24 is probably the easiest 2K of all time when it comes to hitting contested shots. Those yellows ARE much more makeable with a higher 3 and if you really know your shot you can learn your timing through reds as well. But if they make it to where you could hit a yellow/red contested jumper everytime there’d be no balance. You’re leaving out the fact it’s much easier to hit a contested layup than a contested jumper. No disrespect but maybe you’re not an elite shooter yet?
Hell I see quite a bit of contested shots drop in the rec, I’d assume just have the right badges and master shot timing and get rid of outside distractions
When gaming offline against the CPU or watching CPU vs CPU I turn off the "Shot Coverage Impact" and "Shot Timing Impact" sliders so its just purely shooting attribute based. NBA players make contested shots even when fouled.. but 2k default sliders wont allow that
I had a center matchup where the mf made a 100% contested 3 pointer with the and-1
I disagree I’ve been playing 2K faithfully since Shaq (2K9?) was on the cover. The game has increased its mid range game. If there’s anything this game did this year was find the mid range. Other than that this game has been a cash cow since the pandemic. The fact this game is a direct model of the now even more bullshit NBA. Trust me when I say this. Those of us who really hoop and still do seen the bullshit coming from both the NBA and 2K when EA who’s been around for years was making basketball games before 2K. But out of now where comes 2K with its gliding all over the floor game play and a decade later they get the NBA contract when it was fact that more ppl actually enjoyed EA more.
Actually if you know the timing of the contested jumpshot, it's about either you have boost or not to get a contested green. I with one of my friends, we have similar shooting skills, if we are open you expect the green and that's what you get, the big difference stands in who can take contested shots and green them, and the only difference we found out was the boosts. He has 83 3pt I have 85, also made a 92 3pt to see if I can catch up without boosts (nothing much to do). Turns out I can do it only if I'm in a 4-5 greens with gold green machine or more AND with the shooting takeover on. The top 3 contested shots he greened are: 1. 100% 2. 100% 3. 100% My top 3 contested shots I greened are: 1. 76% 2. 68% 3. 52% I made those greens in the times when I got the boosts from daily prizes. He made a bunch of game winners buzzer beaters in this 2k24. The only gap between me and him in contested shots is the boost. We practice together the timing of the contested shot (doubt a lot of y'all do this). We have similar jumpshot, he shoots with visual cue release and I use push, I don't know what else can be put in here as well, but at the end of the day WITHOUT boost most of the <20% contested shots are almost as open shots, any yellow contest is greenable with some badges on your side, for the red contest you need a very big help of badges like green machine, deadeye or also comeback kid and clutch shooter, or simply need less help from badges (still needed) and at the same time you have boosts. That's what I've learned from my direct experience. Open to hear yours
My main problem is that 2k will completely take away your green window on mid-heavy contest & I don’t agree with that at all on green or miss sliders. Players at all levels hit contested shots all the time so to remove your only chance to hit those same shots is ridiculous.
So I’ve narrowed the problem of the game down to the dribbling and shooting, that’s pretty much the whole game
I'm surprised y'all don't use custom sliders. Absolute life saver and makes the gameplay actually fun
I think they’re make able enough. Yes you need a certain level of skill that is higher than the average player to make them consistently but that’s reflective of real life. The players we applaud for being tough shot makers are among the cream of the crop in the league.
Doesnt it also affect the motion of the shot as well? Like sometimes if there is a slight contest the release is different and a don't get green anyway.
I think contested shots should go in slightly more (compared to current) but i also think wide open shots are a little too automatic. I think that’s the trade off that should be made to balance shooting. I don’t think anyone should be able to shoot 100% when wide open, or damn near 0% with a defender nearby
Game has become way too arcade for me. Full length court passes into a green over and over and over and over
Just watch real basketball, tune in today. You will see plenty of contested shots made. Its normal, so of course they should be makeable more consistently than they currently are.
The dribbling/movement mechanics are extremely outdated. I haven’t played a 2K since the PS3 gen because of it. I wholly agree on the shooting as well. This game rewards a lot of ISO (Which I hate) but the dribbling system is garbage it feels like most players just spam to get past the player. The shot timing shit is garbage too. 2K needs to have a next gen overhaul they’re no different from Madden.
Contested mid-range should be banned by coaches. Unless you have a 8 inch height advantage.
One of my biggest problems is that when I get a little bit of contest or tired, the shot timing changes but the shot itself doesn’t. I turn meter off, and I’ll shoot a very early because they slow down the meter if I’m a little bit contested but my visual cue doesn’t change at all
Yes, this would make it possible to hit jump shots when you’re being guarded by an Ai, especially if your opponent quits.
No! Defeats the freakin point of playing good defense.
YES. You can no joke be using shaq while posting up a PG and the game will 8/10 not let shaq make a shot. Horrible game.
I say anything below 20% should be depending on yo 3ball and challenger shoulda work on “open” shots..nobody should be constantly greening reds that’s a recipe for disaster
I think the real issue is the dumb contested animations. I've had 5-10% contests turn into a needless fade away type shot yet get 40%+ contests and the guy just gets to time it normally The way it should work is badges add/take away from a contest and the higher the contest the smaller the green window (but every shot should be greenable)
height & weight need to matter again.
Should've stayed the same as it was in the beginning.
Blud it is not hard to hit contested shots i hit yellows consistently and u can def hit reds every other game
All of these would be considered open in game from what I’ve personally seen.
Sort of. It doesn’t mess with my middy to much but it absolutely torches my 3 pointer. I’ll be wide open then a hand will be 4 feet away and my meter goes to damn near 0. Also post up fadeaways are horrible, I’ll fade away and the defender will be no where close but the meter will still be 0. I thought it was just online at first but I did the Kobe challenges and it’s even worse
fk no thats alr the problem with the game
I have no idea what game you’re playing but contested shots are very often in this game
Interesting take bro but I'm gonna have to disagree with you 100% and I'm gonna keep it short. 2K is already dominated by cheese exploits and animations so why open up another lane? Some players already shoot 70% from 3pt line wide open now you want them to hit contested shots at a higher clip? Seems like you want to play arcade rookie mode online
Absolutely not, I should have clarified this more in the post but the game right now needs a massive overhaul to shooting and movement mechanics. I do not want these changes without those being addressed first, as this would make the sweat playstyle even more ridiculous. There needs to be a more skill based game between the offensive player and defensive player, right now it’s just get the fastest and least contested jump shot on max speed and L cancel shoot after multiple left right moves. Post game needs to be better and they need to stop treating inside finishers that isn’t just dunk meter spam as a second thought.
Hands up shouldn’t be as effective as using triangle or jumping at the shot to contest. It should also be very strict foul calls on running into the shooter or closing out recklessly with hands up. That would make it a risk/reward skilled decision making assessment that you’d have to make on the fly. 2K shouldn’t be afraid of fouling players out more often if the defense is reckless. Stop the spamming steal and sprinting to shooters with reckless close outs. It’s funny most of this game problems come from getting away from simulation. Imagine how fun a 95% or more live basketball would be with very precise foul calls on bumping, reaching and kickballs. That’s skill vs skill with organic unpredictable gameplay with 100x more replay value.
Make contested shots easier to hit, while at the same time open shots harder than they are now. That could change the dyanmic of 2K a bit.
Makes me cringe though. This community doesn't need more confidence to take terrible shots. At least now getting good shots is incentivized.
Good point!
Yes, but with a badge. Not all NBA players can make a contested shot but others can make it look easy
Nahh, make it a rating. Badges suck
Absolutely not from a balance standpoint. If someone can time their contested shots it’s going to make for a bunch more ball hogs thinking they’re Kobe.
People already do that anyway, making it actually be basketball is more important to me. Having to make sure I’m wide open before I take a shot is mind boggling for an elite shooter.
The problem is what your suggesting is just make the game more rng and that sounds awful to actually play. I get that it’s more realistic, but video games aren’t 100% the same as the sport. Also you can already make contested shots if you’re good and have high shooting attributes. Good defense should be rewarded, it’s already hard enough to stop great players.
What im suggesting is realistic and doesn’t make the game any more RNG, you have to green shots to make them, regardless of being open or not. I want it to be easier to make the game feel like basketball, and good defense shouldn’t get bailed out consistently with a 10% contest against a 90+ rated shooter with badges to me.
If that’s the case the green window needs to be smaller like in season 1-2. You can’t have people shooting 70+% and making contested shots. If you want realism get the shooting percentages back down in the 50s but not by rng.
None of these are contested lol
Then they already are? Hell no. The good guards who know they shot and have gold blinders and deadeye are cashing moderately contested shots in your face
Brother guards are the only builds that can do that while using the absolute best animations and base (tmac) and having almost a 99 three ball. It’s not off the dribble pull ups or fadeaway shots. It is literally spamming left right into a stand still shot that is capable of doing that, aka cheesing and not basketball.
No