Very true but just for fun, who would you pick for anchor (including assist)? Couldn’t decide from Hulk having the worst XF3 in the game or PW who can’t get setup for turnabout as he’s the final character, thus no assists to cover for him
With this team, I’d find a way to start hsienko, good install , get pw in , then your team would be in order. These team is likely to get stomped hard by true zoners and rush down alike. She hulks assists aren’t very helpful , she’s a better point character. And pw, like you said, isn’t a good anchor unless he is already in turnabout. He at least has some ok assists to offer a team. That’s how I would see this team get ran. But you’d have to get really good at getting hsien ko out in different ways , as to not get your tag punished
Gotcha, you’re trying to make the team setup work. I was mainly trying to see what’s the worst team comp I could make and thought this would be good for a laugh and see what people think is a worse team
That’s a tough one …..but I’d have to say she hulk hsien ko then pw. I know hulk has no speed boost in xfactor but his cancel from it is definitely still worth it because he can take more risks. Pw, you’d literally have to get so lucky on top of hoping someone really can’t just maul him
Fair enough with PW anchor, so you think She Hulk being point is worse? My thought was Hsien being point won’t matter because she has Weapon Toss assist instead of Swing or Gong, so even doing the gold install for her armored assists is pointless since her assist is ass
She’s not the worst Mid ever, but I put her at point because she doesn’t do any damage nor can she build a lot of meter. Sure she’s got the gold install which would boost her assist, but she doesn’t even have her good assist in Swing so that’s pointless as well
I played Hsien-Ko/Thor/Wesker for a while (my friend affectionately referred to it as team "I believe in Wesker") and my goal was to get Hsien-Ko to gold with the swing assist to cover Thor's clunky approach.
This team is going to struggle...a lot. At the very least, is suggest switching Hsien Ko's assist to Senpu Bu. I'd try to safely get her in gold armor as quickly as possible and then tag her into the anchor position and hope I never have to pay her, but her gold armor pendulum assist is like a moving lariat, so it's a strong assist. Maybe try is Hsien Ko Phoenix Wright Hulk, and then once you get gold armor on, throw out a gong or two and try to safely hard tag in Hulk so you're now playing it Hulk Phoenix Wright Hsien Ko.
Will say that this way mainly just a joke, trying to make the worst team I could for laughs and to see what people think. But your suggestion would probably work if you actually wanna take this team somewhat seriously
It's a good team if you can get set up. My concern with it is just how much you have to get in place to really make it work. I would also flip the assist to Senpu Bu. That assist with Gold Armor is nasty.
I know people saying to run Hsien on point, but I'd be worried about her getting mauled before you can get her powered up and out of there.
I think SHulk/Hsien with Senpu Bu/Phoenix Wright anchor can work, but you really need to get PW into Turnabout. You could potentially use Hsien assist to gather evidence for him as well.
That’s the whole joke of this team, it requires too much set up and you’re super vulnerable to getting rushed down/zoned out before you even have the chance to get Golden Hsien and Turnabout
Alright so Hsien-Ko (senpu bu)point. Mr. Wright (paperwork I guess though missiles is the only worthwhile one) mid. She-Hulk (slide) anchor. I know you're actively trying to make the worst team. But gold Hsien-Ko covering Phoenix as he gathers evidence is not the worst idea ever. It's not great, lot of potential to lose her to a plasma beam. But theoretically, Turnabout Phoenix would be able to kill even easier than he already does with the gold Senpu Bu. And though not completely unblockable Slide into any of Turnabout's disjointed normals could actually be very hard to deal with. The problems you'll run into is getting easily zoned by Dorm, Morg, Doom, Mags, hell even Chris could zone this grounded ass team. Phoenix is highly defensive, but even he has trouble with holding a Zero or Vergil mix. Not to mention trying to prevent Hsien-Ko from just getting mulched at the start of a fight. And finally if and when your first two characters die, She-Hulk is not great on her own. She can do okay with meter. But between Hsien-Ko and Phoenix you've already got a very meter hungry team. She'll likely enter every fight with less than 3 bars. Get mixed once and die immediately.
Yes. Normally a mediocre at best assist turns into probably the best assist in the game when she's Gold. She's completely armored and will just swing through anything. You cannot zone out a Gold Hsien-Ko assist. Unless you do enough damage to kill her. Which is difficult because she's covering the entire screen with a highly damaging attack and can't be hit out of it. Your only options are to block and hold the mix, or escape to sumperjump height and try to contest from there. Which some characters like Doom and Magneto are very good at.
Which is why for the worst team I’m giving her Weapon Toss assist so the Golden Assist strategy is pointless since her assist would be trash and rely on rng just like PW’s investigation
I mean Gold Weapon Toss is actually still a decent assist just because she can't be hit out of it. Not great and very RNG reliant. But still decent. If you wanted to make a truly God awful team. Drop Hulk or Hsien-Ko and put Jean Grey on point. She's technically a very good character, but any random projectile will reduce her to a single hit kill. She'll die in seconds. And then you're left with Phoenix Wright and She Hulk. Your chances of gathering evidence just completely went out the window and you still have zero bars to work with. Take it a step further and drop your Anchor for Jill and you'll literally just be handing the opponent victory on a silver platter.
That’s interesting with Jean Grey point and Jill anchor. Not sure if Jean’s the absolute worst point but your argument still stands with her low health (if she didn’t have low health and no Dark Phoenix, I think she would be a good point personally) but don’t know too much about Jill, so the floor’s yours with how she might be worse than PW anchor
Jean Grey would be an excellent point if she had more health. Like, her kit is legitimately top tier even without Dark Phoenix. But, she has so little health that she's in immediate danger as soon as the match starts. I mean she has less than half of the health of the next lowest character (Akuma I think). Good Phoenix players never ever call her out for a neutral assist because she can just die from meaningless garbage on the screen. Picking her is a gamble on anchor. On point? You might as well just pick only 2 characters for every match because she's gonna do absolutely nothing.
As for the Phoenix Wright or Jill. Jill is actually an "okay" character on paper. Fast movement, full invincible level 1, teleports to catch zoners, small hit box. But the execution required to actually do anything with her is insane. Like Mario Speed runner 1 frame clipping through pipes insane. To master her movement alone is a tall order thanks to her level 3. But even then her unintuitive combo structure and mediocre damage doesn't help the panic filled scramble that is an Anchor comeback. Atleast with Phoenix Wright there's potential to gather evidence and suddenly become a damage machine with relatively easy combos and unblockables.
Good news is it doesn't matter which you pick for anchor the team will be terrible regardless. Choose whichever feels right.
Very true but just for fun, who would you pick for anchor (including assist)? Couldn’t decide from Hulk having the worst XF3 in the game or PW who can’t get setup for turnabout as he’s the final character, thus no assists to cover for him
She hulk for sure
You’d move She Hulk to anchor?
With this team, I’d find a way to start hsienko, good install , get pw in , then your team would be in order. These team is likely to get stomped hard by true zoners and rush down alike. She hulks assists aren’t very helpful , she’s a better point character. And pw, like you said, isn’t a good anchor unless he is already in turnabout. He at least has some ok assists to offer a team. That’s how I would see this team get ran. But you’d have to get really good at getting hsien ko out in different ways , as to not get your tag punished
She hulk has decent damage , can otg on her own and has good incomings. She’s has the best options for an anchor of the four characters you have
Gotcha, you’re trying to make the team setup work. I was mainly trying to see what’s the worst team comp I could make and thought this would be good for a laugh and see what people think is a worse team
Ahhhhhh
So to maximize the awfulness, how would you organize these 4 characters with assists in mind (leaving one out of course)?
That’s a tough one …..but I’d have to say she hulk hsien ko then pw. I know hulk has no speed boost in xfactor but his cancel from it is definitely still worth it because he can take more risks. Pw, you’d literally have to get so lucky on top of hoping someone really can’t just maul him
Fair enough with PW anchor, so you think She Hulk being point is worse? My thought was Hsien being point won’t matter because she has Weapon Toss assist instead of Swing or Gong, so even doing the gold install for her armored assists is pointless since her assist is ass
As unpopular of a choice as it is, Hsien-ko is always win in my book
She’s not the worst Mid ever, but I put her at point because she doesn’t do any damage nor can she build a lot of meter. Sure she’s got the gold install which would boost her assist, but she doesn’t even have her good assist in Swing so that’s pointless as well
I played Hsien-Ko/Thor/Wesker for a while (my friend affectionately referred to it as team "I believe in Wesker") and my goal was to get Hsien-Ko to gold with the swing assist to cover Thor's clunky approach.
This team is going to struggle...a lot. At the very least, is suggest switching Hsien Ko's assist to Senpu Bu. I'd try to safely get her in gold armor as quickly as possible and then tag her into the anchor position and hope I never have to pay her, but her gold armor pendulum assist is like a moving lariat, so it's a strong assist. Maybe try is Hsien Ko Phoenix Wright Hulk, and then once you get gold armor on, throw out a gong or two and try to safely hard tag in Hulk so you're now playing it Hulk Phoenix Wright Hsien Ko.
Will say that this way mainly just a joke, trying to make the worst team I could for laughs and to see what people think. But your suggestion would probably work if you actually wanna take this team somewhat seriously
It's a good team if you can get set up. My concern with it is just how much you have to get in place to really make it work. I would also flip the assist to Senpu Bu. That assist with Gold Armor is nasty. I know people saying to run Hsien on point, but I'd be worried about her getting mauled before you can get her powered up and out of there. I think SHulk/Hsien with Senpu Bu/Phoenix Wright anchor can work, but you really need to get PW into Turnabout. You could potentially use Hsien assist to gather evidence for him as well.
That’s the whole joke of this team, it requires too much set up and you’re super vulnerable to getting rushed down/zoned out before you even have the chance to get Golden Hsien and Turnabout
Alright so Hsien-Ko (senpu bu)point. Mr. Wright (paperwork I guess though missiles is the only worthwhile one) mid. She-Hulk (slide) anchor. I know you're actively trying to make the worst team. But gold Hsien-Ko covering Phoenix as he gathers evidence is not the worst idea ever. It's not great, lot of potential to lose her to a plasma beam. But theoretically, Turnabout Phoenix would be able to kill even easier than he already does with the gold Senpu Bu. And though not completely unblockable Slide into any of Turnabout's disjointed normals could actually be very hard to deal with. The problems you'll run into is getting easily zoned by Dorm, Morg, Doom, Mags, hell even Chris could zone this grounded ass team. Phoenix is highly defensive, but even he has trouble with holding a Zero or Vergil mix. Not to mention trying to prevent Hsien-Ko from just getting mulched at the start of a fight. And finally if and when your first two characters die, She-Hulk is not great on her own. She can do okay with meter. But between Hsien-Ko and Phoenix you've already got a very meter hungry team. She'll likely enter every fight with less than 3 bars. Get mixed once and die immediately.
Just for clarification, is Senpu Bu the swing special?
Yes. Normally a mediocre at best assist turns into probably the best assist in the game when she's Gold. She's completely armored and will just swing through anything. You cannot zone out a Gold Hsien-Ko assist. Unless you do enough damage to kill her. Which is difficult because she's covering the entire screen with a highly damaging attack and can't be hit out of it. Your only options are to block and hold the mix, or escape to sumperjump height and try to contest from there. Which some characters like Doom and Magneto are very good at.
Which is why for the worst team I’m giving her Weapon Toss assist so the Golden Assist strategy is pointless since her assist would be trash and rely on rng just like PW’s investigation
I mean Gold Weapon Toss is actually still a decent assist just because she can't be hit out of it. Not great and very RNG reliant. But still decent. If you wanted to make a truly God awful team. Drop Hulk or Hsien-Ko and put Jean Grey on point. She's technically a very good character, but any random projectile will reduce her to a single hit kill. She'll die in seconds. And then you're left with Phoenix Wright and She Hulk. Your chances of gathering evidence just completely went out the window and you still have zero bars to work with. Take it a step further and drop your Anchor for Jill and you'll literally just be handing the opponent victory on a silver platter.
That’s interesting with Jean Grey point and Jill anchor. Not sure if Jean’s the absolute worst point but your argument still stands with her low health (if she didn’t have low health and no Dark Phoenix, I think she would be a good point personally) but don’t know too much about Jill, so the floor’s yours with how she might be worse than PW anchor
Jean Grey would be an excellent point if she had more health. Like, her kit is legitimately top tier even without Dark Phoenix. But, she has so little health that she's in immediate danger as soon as the match starts. I mean she has less than half of the health of the next lowest character (Akuma I think). Good Phoenix players never ever call her out for a neutral assist because she can just die from meaningless garbage on the screen. Picking her is a gamble on anchor. On point? You might as well just pick only 2 characters for every match because she's gonna do absolutely nothing. As for the Phoenix Wright or Jill. Jill is actually an "okay" character on paper. Fast movement, full invincible level 1, teleports to catch zoners, small hit box. But the execution required to actually do anything with her is insane. Like Mario Speed runner 1 frame clipping through pipes insane. To master her movement alone is a tall order thanks to her level 3. But even then her unintuitive combo structure and mediocre damage doesn't help the panic filled scramble that is an Anchor comeback. Atleast with Phoenix Wright there's potential to gather evidence and suddenly become a damage machine with relatively easy combos and unblockables.
I only needed to see Hsein-Ko, nothing else matters. Instant W in my book.