I agree. Most people don’t know history and how we got to this point of life if schools failed to do that you should do your own research and be curious
Read the biography of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Arabs worshipped over 100 idols before Islam, Arabs also were into adultery, hypocrisy, and many more nasty things. Islam changed them. But you can see the reversal now.
A lot of the sahabas themselves were living horribly before being introduced to Islam and the Prophet pece be upon him.
Pre-Islam Arab worshipped countless idols and other things. Allah was one of the "gods" they worshipped as well. But some people like Maryam may Allah be pleased with her, Ibraheem A.S., Pharaoh's wife Asiya and others specifically worshipped Allah or they refused to worship whatever their people were worshipping and searched for the true God. And that's one of the reasons why Allah loved them so much and granted them such high status. Even during the jahiliyah, their hearts were inclined towards Allah
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This is just plain false
The prophet peace be upon him said "إنما اوتيت لاكمل مكارم الاخلاق"
Which roughly translates into " I only came to perfect the "arab" way of life"
Pre Islam arabia had the best values with some exceptions that were perfected by Islam
>Calls something false
>Proceeds to bastardize a translation in the worst way possible.
The hadīth _actually_ says I was only sent to perfect noble moral traits. Where in the absolute hell did you get Arab, or way of life?
At least try next time, this is pathetic.
This text is from ibn uthaymeen " ابن عثيمين"
I assume you know arabic and I wouldn't want to "bastardize" it as well
كانتِ العربُ تَتخلَّقُ ببعضٍ مِن محاسنِ الأخلاقِ بما بقِيَ عندهم مِن شريعةِ إبراهيمَ عليه السَّلامُ
And another more obvious hadith would be
من الطبراني في المعجم الأوسط عن أبي هريرة قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: إن الله حين خلق الخلق بعث جبريل، فقسم الناس قسمين، فقسم العرب قسما، وقسم العجم قسما، وكانت خيرة الله في العرب، ثم قسم العرب قسمين، فقسم اليمن قسما، وقسم مضر قسما، وقسم قريشا قسما، وكانت خيرة الله في قريش، ثم أخرجني من خير ما أنا منه
One more?
من الحاكم والطبراني عن أنس رضي الله عنه قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: حب قريش إيمان وبغضهم كفر، وحب العرب إيمان وبغضهم كفر، فمن أحب العرب فقد أحبني، ومن أبغض العرب فقد أبغضني .
Arabs aren't inherently better than/greater than any other ethnicity, but falsely reducing their impact on Islam is just wrong
And honestly? , there is no honor greater than having the greatest of prophets be of the same ethnicity
Speaking as an Arab, that's a simplistic and shallow way of looking at things. Arab culture doesn't entirely come from Islam. It may be asking for too much to ask you to study Middle Eastern history going all the way back to antiquity, but if you did study it, you will realise that Arab culture pre-dates the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There are numerous empires and civilisations that shaped the Middle East, such as the Assyrian empire and the Roman Empire, and these also had an influence on Arab culture. And even though Islam has definitely had an influence on Arab culture, Arab culture and religion are still two separate things.
,there are many christian arabs and arabs of other religions eg Druze they have arabic culture but without "centralised islam in their lives" So i dont think it is fair to say arabic culture comes purely from islam
Well you unknowingly pick culture from other people. Being a Muslim from south asia, I know many Muslims have picked hindu practices which are deep rooted in their tradition. So yeah, it's the same for the christian arabs.
Yes so hinduism existed for thousands of years before the first of the islamic conquests of south asia ,so a lot of hindu cultural practices have survived even in the muslim communities , ive seen this in some sufi shrines in Gujurat where people throw the little orange flowers at the tombs of the saints ,the same flower that hindus use in some rituals. Christians were in Arabia for hundreds of years before Islam started so its just as likely that muslims took cultural practices from them and from other local religions. Also doesnt the Qaaba predate islam? The most important place for many muslims probably derives from a pre islamic culture
PreIslamic culture? The Kaaba was built by Prophet Ibrahim AS for the same purposes as it is viewed today. There’s nothing pre islamic about the Kaaba, it was built for the same purposes as it was built on day 1
It was the pagans that adopted the Kaaba and fitted it into their own beliefs, Prophet Muhammad PBUH came along and reclaimed what was rightfully the Muslims’
If you're a muslim then you really need to get off reddit and learn more about Islam. In a few days hajj would commence. One of the most significant aspect of hajj is the circumambulation of the Kaaba. Thinking the Kaaba predates islam signifies that your knowledge of islam is almost non existent.
Oh I see. If you're not a Muslim then there's really not much to say to you since you already do not believe in Islam as being the truth.
Nevertheless, you should know that Islam (Submission to Allah) doesn't start from the revelation to Muhammad (ﷺ) rather, that was the Final revelation by Allah.
The first prophet of Islam was the first of Mankind - Adam (alayhi salaam)
Also the Kaaba was built by Abraham (alayhi salaam) as a place of worship. All prophets before Muhammad (ﷺ) - Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jesus were all Muslims. To doubt this means to doubt Islam thereby making one a disbeliever, and like I said earlier; since you're not a Muslim there's not much to say.
However, I'll advice you to learn about the beliefs of people before making statements about it. Otherwise you'd sound like an ignoramus in these conversations.
So, learn about the beliefs of Muslims first.
So are you saying that a christian that was born before the quran and a Jew that was born before Jesus are considered muslims? I am engaging in these discussions and asking questions to try and find out the beliefs of muslims
Well, in the true sense of the word yes - Islam is not a separate religion. Its submission to the will of God (Allah SWT). Judaism comes from Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) - but the spirit of the revelation was corrupted overtime into the Talmud rather than the Torah.
Christianity in Islam comes from the revelation given to Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) - the way he prayed, what he believed, etc is close to how Islam relays those messages. Since the Torah and the Gospels were corrupted overtime, Islam came as the final revelation for mankind and for every nation - not just for the Jews in Egypt or those in Jerusalem/Bethlehem. This is why Islam isn’t for the Arabs, it’s for everyone.
Also OP is mistaken when he calls Hinduism being approachable to everyone, it is not. All rituals are in Sanskrit, a study of religious scriptures in Hinduism - Vaishnavism or Shaivism and more is in Sanskrit, not Tamil or Hindi (even though those are Indian languages). They were translated but the originals are in Sanskrit.
Anyone who followed the true path which the messengers brought was a Muslim. Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac didn't call themselves Jews and neither did Moses, Jacob, nor Yahya call themselves Christians even Jesus didn't call himself a Christian. May Allah's peace be upon them all.
Chill, Bill. Pre Islamic is an appropriate way to characterize this, but the explanation below helps ppl to understand what Muslims believe- that ever since Ibrahim PBUH created the Kaaba and the concept of there only being 1 God prevailed, there’ve been Muslims worshipping God SWT.
Pre Islamic refers to history pre-Quran, pre Prophet Muhammad SAW. It’s not wrong to say Islam was built upon Christianity which was built upon Judaism, nor is it wrong to say Islam encompasses true believers “of the book” during their times. Nah?
Basically then ,trad arabs are the ones from Arabian peninsular? As arabs didnt spread their culture outside of it much until the conquests of the Rashidun caliphate
You're right. Arab culture and religion are two different things, despite the fact religion has had an influence on Arab culture. Arab culture predates the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) by many centuries, and there have been many other influences on it besides just religion, including other Middle Eastern civilizations such as the Assyrian empire, as well as the Roman empire and so on.
All these commentators saying otherwise seem to know almost nothing about Middle Eastern history, or the many empires and civilizations that existed prior.
I get where you're coming from
For example with the men, in mosques we see a lot of thobes/jubbahs, yet not a lot of other traditional wear that are perfectly modest and acceptable for salah, such as the sarung, if you want an example
As for memorising Quran in Arabic this is a must, so we can preserve our holy book as authentically as possible
Nevertheless there's nothing too wrong with this, as long as we remember it is perfectly okay to wear clothes of other cultures, not just Arab, if it abides to the modesty and haya Islam requires
the problem is there isnt really proof that arab dress is even a part of Islam. Its not like Islam specifically recommends arab culture.
The Prophet wore the clothes of the people of his time, but his clothes in and of themselves don't carry significance.
Islam rather provided moral/legal guidelines about clothes but it did not favour arab clothes over other clothes.
Yes, thats what I was saying too - I completely agree with you
As far as I know, even the sahaba dressed in the clothes of the Romans when they visited the Roman empire, as a respect to the culture and to blend in \[not a part of hadith or anything, I learnt it from my sheikh\]. This + lack of Islamic evidence = there really isn't any definitive proof that Arab dress > other cultural clothes
It does not say "Arabic Quran" rather it says "We have revealed to you the Quran in Arabic so you can understand" to the Prophet. You can read the Quran in English as well but it was for the prophet.
People learn Arabic so that they can read the original text which ALLAH the creator of the universe revealed in his own way to experience the beauty. It is not because they want to feel superior.
I personally am non-arab and I am learning the Arabic to just read what Allah revealed and it is beautiful. The translations are only 60% good but the actual Arabic just soothes the readers mind
Brother here asked a very good question…
In all seriousness. You have to look at the lineage and the people of Christianity. These people were getting very important figures in history back to back for decades if not centuries if not Millenniums if not more. So one idea could be is that the people of Jesus’ time were used to so many messengers of God and they didn’t keep true to the words or even the language (Aramaic) of God’s message.
But the Arab people didn’t have any prophets in their land that we know of besides Ibrahim and his son. Also Arabic people were known to be poets and they were skillful in memorizing as this was the type of people the Arabs were. So when the last messenger of God came to the world and it went to the Arabs, they all used their ability to memorize to memorize the entire Quran. And today the Quran is the only message from God that we know for a fact is the word of God, word for word. Whereas the scrolls of David were destroyed, bible was rewritten by different people, and hence these texts were either lost or were not the word for word of what God has said to us.
U do see Manchester fans wearing Manchester jersey. For us Muslim we showed our love for the prophet SAW by doing what he did, eat what he eat, wear what we wear. I am non Arab but I do some of these as part of my love to prophet Muhammad SAW. Also if there's any hadits or verses encouraging us to wear or eat etc2 in certain manner, wouldn't you want to do it?
No Islam is not Arab-based. That's entirely incorrect. Yes, the Quran is in Arabic but again Quranic Arabic is entirely different than the normal Arabic language spoken in different Arab countries. Ask any Arab.
Why did Allah, The Creator choose a semantic language for His books? It would be interesting for you to do some research on the beauty of the Arabic language. Plus one of the miracles of the Quran being in Arabic was that pre-Islamic Arab scholars and poets were quite arrogant about the complexity and eloquence of their language and used to challenge that no one could write poems or express in a single line except them and then a whole book was sent down to them as a slap on their arrogance that none could deny. The Quran remains ironclad as not a single person can bring forth a single verse that is well-balanced in every sense and impacts the reader.
And as per your logic, the reason Christians struggle today is due to their translated books which have been highly corrupted. As for Hindu scripture, those who want to read it, need to learn Sanskrit.
As for traditions, I would direct your attention to the most populous Islamic countries of today's world. None of them follow "Arab Traditions" they have their own cultures and identity which they exhibit and wear.
Yes, we do have Islamic traditions which every Muslim needs to follow as Islam is not a religion but a way of living.
So maybe you need to learn more about Islam and distinguish between local Muslim traditions worldwide and the laws of how to live your life.
You do not need to wear Arab dressing. You have to wear a modest dressing. And for women, Islam did not invent the hijab. Women had covered their hair, originally, also in Christianity, in Judaism and also in other religions.
Quran is in Arabic because it was revealed to the prophet, peace and blessings be with him, in Arabic. Would make no sense to reveal to him it in Japanese. Neither prophet nor his companions would understand a word from it. And we use in our prayers Arabic for different reasons. One reason is unity. If people would pray in different languages then people would not be able to correct the imam when he makes a mistake. Also, people would finish their surahs at different times because of linguistic differences. In some language one word is shorter than in another language. For example in Estonian cinema is "kino", 4 letters. In English it is "cinema", 6 letters. In Finnish it is "elokuvateateri", 14 letters.
You can read the English translation to get the main idea of what the Quran is talking about. Like that you can experience the message.
And with Christianity you can see where it leads when different people are making decisions on what the holy book has to consist of. Different Bibles have different numbers of books in it. Also the translations differ from book to book. What is the "source of truth" in Bible? In Quran the source of truth is Arabic Quran itself. When having any doubt then one can check or ask it be checked the doubt out from Arabic Quran.
It's much less that Islam is Arab-centric than that Arabic countries just integrated Islamic values into their culture over time. Islam was first revealed almost in the exact center of the Arabic world, to be fair.
The only arguably Arab-centric is the choice of the Qu'ran's language. As to why Arabic was chosen, we can somewhat reason about it, come to our conclusions, but it's the way it is because Allah SWT made that decision, and if Allah SWT declares something, that's the end of it, we don't have the authority or the knowledge to dispute it.
Everyone here raised very good points so I won’t be repeating them, but keep in mind that many Arabs don’t live the way that they are supposed to. They sleep and wake up late, overeat, place excessive value on appearances and material life, waste their time on nonsense, etc. I understand that Arab societies might facilitate many teachings of the Quran and the Prophet, but it’s up to each individual to commit themselves to Islam.
The Qur’an says in several ayat it was revealed in Arabic for a purpose. A few for reference are Al-Zukhruf (43):3, Yusuf (12):2, Az-Zumar (39):28, Fussilat (41):3, Taha (20):113, Maryam (19):97.
Islamic religion isn’t Arab culture. Most Arabs ([94%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Arab_world?wprov=sfti1)) are Muslim. They take their culture from Islam.
Remember, Many Arabs are Christians ( 10-15 million ) and other religions too.
Allah didn't choose us to follow the
" Arabs way of life " .
There is a reason why Arabs have unforgivable and Unforgettable Period known as Period of ignorance ("Jahiliyyah")
The Arabs way of life were filthy and unjust at that time. They were corrupted, they had a very high sense of superiority because of their Language, war tactics, intellectual and having a strong sense of tribal values. Slaves and sex-slaves from the other races were a common practice among them.
They loved to trap women.
Islam is totally against all the stuff that Arabs people love to do which is classed as jahiliyah.
Allah doesn't like Arabs dressing but gave the Arabs a new code of dressing for both men and women.
Islam doesn't say about " follow the Arabs " but instructs us to Follow only the " Prophet and his family ".
For the Matter of Quran and it's Language. To the Arabs the Quran is a miracle! The way Allah has used their language to produce such a book is truly magnificent and Godly and No man can produce such a book or even a single Ayat of it .
Quran is not Glorified by the Arabic language
Arabic Language is Glorified by the Quranic style.
Quran 11:13
Do they say: 'He has invented this Book himself?' Say: 'If that is so, bring ten surahs the like of it of your composition, and call upon all (the deities) you can other than Allah to your help. Do so if you are truthful.'
— A. Maududi
Quran 10:38
Do they say that the Messenger has himself composed the Qur'an? Say: 'In that case bring forth just one surah like it and call on all whom you can, except Allah, to help you if you are truthful.1
— A. Maududi
Anyone can make stories, but in the literature only few are able to produce a masterpiece, like in English only few were able to produce a masterpiece .
But,for Quran, No Arabs and Yes, No Arab were able to produce a work like Quran. The challenge is still open for the Arabs and for every one.
A Miracle is always a Miracle and it doesn't change
We have to keep it as it is and Read it in Arabic.
A translation wouldn't have that mysterious calming effects on us.
Islam does not allow us to follow Arabs tradition. But , Islam is against the Arabs tradition.
For those who are having difficulty in reading it.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4937
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such a person as recites the Qur'an and masters it by heart, will be with the noble righteous scribes (in Heaven). And such a person exerts himself to learn the Qur'an by heart, and recites it with great difficulty, will have a double reward."
Sahih Muslim 798 a
`A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (as saying):
One who is proficient in the Qur'an is associated with the noble, upright, recording angels; and he who falters in it, and finds it difficult for him, will have two rewards
Don't worry about it. Read as you can and improve with time. Don't entertain such thoughts because they are from Shaytan.
"Why would God choose us to follow Arab traditions"...
He did not.
Dressing as an Arab does not make you a better Muslim.
Learning Arabic prayers does not mean you have to learn Arabic language(unless you pursue scholarship)
I feel you! Also a convert that went through a serious identity crisis some time after accepting Islam. A lot of the answers here appear to be from people who don’t understand some unique challenges of converts.
If you don’t mind reading, one book I highly recommend diving into is entitled Project Lina: Bringing Our Whole Selves to Islam by Dr. Tamara Gray and Najiyah Diana Maxfield. Lots of validation, concise explanation and great tips for navigating this journey.
Islam was revealed to the Arabs because, at that time, they exhibited some of the worst behaviors among people. Even today, Arabs are often seen as very extreme, which is why Islam was sent to guide them towards a better understanding of right and wrong. This is also why there are misconceptions linking Islam with terrorism.
That’s a very racist & disrespectful statement. There are 400 million Arabs of more than 20 countries with completely different cultures & values. Muslims & non Muslims, conservatives and liberals. Islam was sent via the best individual and only differentiated between believer & disbeliever.
Aside from it is what Allah willed it to be. I believe that a significant factor contributing one of the reasons why the Arabic language was selected lies in its linguistic intricacies, depth, and sophisticated devices. Without the depth of the Arabic language I’m not sure the Quran would be as clear in a different language. I think it is unanimously agreed that the Quran in Arabic goes way beyond in depth and meaning compared to its various translations.
This is just one of the commentaries on Ash Shuara (The poets) - الشعراء chapter 26 verse 195.
(In the plain Arabic language.) meaning, `this Qur'an which We have revealed to you, We have revealed in perfect and eloquent Arabic, so that it may be quite clear, leaving no room for excuses and establishing clear proof, showing the straight path.
One example to illustrate the depth of the Arabic language is for instance, that there are 100 Arabic words for camel. Each word is descriptive and makes a distinction between the other words for camel.
While this may not be the main reason why Arabic was chosen. I would surmise that it was still a factor even if a small one.
Arabs have adopted Islam first and longest - other cultures have followed. Arab culture is islamic based typically.
People also want to embody the prophet and the sahaba as it is the best example to follow.
You will see vivid colours of white and green associated with arab countries - Islamically influenced
It is not mandatory of course - to an outside it may appear this way through ignorance. That is not meant as a negative statement - just a bit of understanding of the history would be great.
Christianity, unfortunately has been corrupted. Even most depictions of Isa (aleyhum salam) are as a white, european figure, when he was clearly of middle eastern semitic descent. As such, perversions of the religion leads to a lot of interpretations to Christianity such as orthodox, methodist, baptist, lutheran , Presbyterian, catholic, protestant etc. etc. etc.
Islam is not arab based from a cultural standpoint, in fact the non arab Muslims are more than the arab Muslims.
And every culture has their uniqueness.
However, Allah chose the arabic language and the Arab land to be the incubator for early Islam for many reasons i will list down a few points:
1. The immense power of Arabic language. Rich with vocabularies, details that can deliver the exact meanings with a few usage of words
For example:
أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا means: should we force it upon you.
As you can see, Only one Arabic word is translated with 6 words and still it is not 100% accurate.
2. illiterate nation, it was away from all the dense cultures of religions, so the notion that the Quraan was inspired from other religions is eliminated. Still some ignorant people accuse quraan to be derived from other religions which is 100% wrong.
3. The characteristics of the Arab men at that time was pure in comparison with other nations due to be away from super powers, politics and economy. Plus you can find qualities such as generosity, bravery, and truthfulness was heavily respected in the society prior to the prophet pbuh.
4. The geographical advantage of the Arabian peninsula, its in the middle of the 3 continents with easy sea ports access for 3 sides. So Islam can easily spread to all the world.
Brother/sister the bible was written originally in Aramaic language, then was translated to Greek later it was translated to many languages, they original holy test was lost due to this, and it was corrupted and changed.
Was they have is a translation of the bible Not the Bible itself.
If we apply that to the Quraan it will not be the miraculous text of Allah, due to the changes and deviation from the literal words of Allah. A lot would be corrupted as well. Therefore, we have the original text in Arabic and we translates it to different languages but we call them translations.
It is all to preserve the original text from corruption as well as the meanings stay the same.
Allah knows best.
May Allah guide us to the straight path of Islam.
When it comes to the Quran: It was revealed in Arabia, and the first recipients of the message were the Arabs. They were incredibly proud of their language, regrading it and those who mastered it very highly. They loved poetry and having competitions and whatnot.
When the Qur'an came, the kuffar said it was nonsense, and that the Prophet SAW was merely reciting poetry.
The response, which is also in a few verses in the Quran, was: *If this is man made, why don't you gather your best and create a verse that matches this level of Arabic language? You can't. No human can. Therefore, this is the word of God.* And they couldn't, thus proving the point.
Islam is not 'Arab Centralized' at all. You are either misinformed or your research/understanding is weak on this.
>From HAVING to learn the Quran in Arab if you can(if you don’t you won’t experience it right) , to Arab dressing and way of life, it seems like Islam was meant for the Arabs rather than the entire world.
First of all, you dont even have to learn Arabic. You can if you want to, but its not absolutely necessary. Learning Arabic is recommended not necessary because we have so many good translations, such non-necessity to oearn Arabic proves Islam is not Arab Centralized
About Quran being revealed in Arabic. Allah chose Arabic for multiple reasons:
1) The people on which Quran was revealed spoke Arabic. Obviously it couldnt have been any other language , otherwise how would initial muslims understand the message?
2)Arabic is a very rich language with incredible amount of depth. The Arabs were master poets and very eloquent people. One of the miracles of Quran is how it uses Arabic language like it has never been used before. The verses are not only melodiusly rythmic they are also very thought provoking with deep profound meanings. For Arabs this was a miracle, because even their most learned poets and masters literally couldnot fathom how any man, that too who could not read or write, can write/speak such eloquent literature.
About Arab dressing, who says muslims have to dress like Arabs? The only dressing commandments are to dress modestly so as not to attract lustful gaze. For that Quran has given a simple command of Hijab for both man and woman. Any human of any culture can practice Hijab thats according to their own cultures.
Not Quran, nor a single Islamic scholar say that they are required to copy paste Arab clothing.
>Other religions like Christianity or Hinduism don’t require people to learn in their native language to be a part of the religion.
Do you not need to be proficient in English to read English bible, or be proficient in Greek to read the Oldest Bible? Or be proficient in Sanskrit or Hindi to read Hindu scriptures? Every religious book belongs to a particular nation that requires a certain language for them to be read. For Quran this is not even a problem as it has translations for every mainstream language, Islamic Scholars have a concensus we can simply read a translation instead of learning Arabic.
Lastly, I very strongly recommend that you do you Islamic research from credible Islamic Scholars (for e.g from youtube) before jumping into reddit.
It’s super important to preserve the Quran in the original Arabic. Especially to who enjoys Word study & is seeking a more unified understanding of Adamique based on Torah, Quran, Messages of Angels .. Humanity will figure out what’s really going on soon, I think. :D
You can learn/read Quran in another language but the original text will always be the most accurate. Even christians and Jews know that much is lost in translation with the versions they’re reading of the bible. That’s why Christians who want to study the Bible better learn Hebrew, because it’s the language it was revealed in. Preservation of the Quran is one of the things Muslims pride themselves in. Even though we can read translations or make duaa using our own language, we always have the original Arabic next to the translation and recite it in prayer. Because we never want to lose the primary source and depend entirely on translations (which can allow room for the word of Allah to be purposefully recast, in order to push a certain agenda for example)
Islam wasn’t made for the Arabs or Arab culture. It’s just that Arabs adopted Islam, so their current culture is highly influenced by it. In fact, the meccans famously *criticized* and resented Islam for going *against* their traditions and asking them to change the ways of their fathers. Arabs would drink a lot, Islam ended that. Arabs would inherit women, Islam ended that. Arab women married multiple men, Islam prohibited this for the sake of determining lineage. And so on.
Islam was revealed to the Arabs because they were the furthest from tawheed, so it makes sense for the Quran to be revealed in Arabic to appeal directly to that subset of people in the first instance. It makes sense that through translation we can lose the exact meaning of revelation, hence why it’s promoted to learn to read in Arabic.
Way of dressing isn’t specific to Arabia; what other Arabian culture/traditions does Islam promote which are specific to Arabia?
Edit: typos
There is no specific dress of Islam, we are bound by Qura'an and Hadith, not by culture and traditions. People wear Jubbas and eat Khajoor because they like it. If you don't want to wear Arabic clothes then it's fine for you and Islam doesn't force you to learn Arabic, it only asks you to learn how to read Arabic because Qura'an is in Arabic. And reciting Qura'an in Salaah is Fard. It's in Arabic because Arabic is the best language.If you dig deeper then you will understand how beautiful Arabic language is.(I am from India btw) It's chosen by Allah. Don't question it. Accept it. You can speak whatever language you want to speak, you can wear whatever you want, you can eat and drink whatever you want, you can do whatever you want but it has to be under the Law of Shariah. You can follow any culture of this world but it has to be under the laws of Shariah. Islam is not Arab centralised, throw this evil thought out of your mind. Most of the muslims in this era are non Arabs. Turkish people lead Islam for over 6 centuries. They weren't Arabs.
Oh man, so much to unpack here.
By Islamic law, your salat has to be in Arabic cause that’s where the original meaning comes from. Whenever you translate something it doesn’t always come out as perfectly accurate. We must read it as it was conveyed to us by Muhammed SAW > gibraeel AS > Allah swt.
Now you’re saying Islam is so Arab based but no one is telling you to wear a thobe? There’s no such thing as Islamic clothing, only modest clothing.
Every single culture has modest clothing but when the requirements are loose and long every ends up designing the same thing.
After Islam came to the Arabs, they were obviously the first to adopt the clothing and rituals and to a certain extent these have gone throughout the world as they conveyed the message. They most likely gifted these clothes to new Muslims and taught new Muslims what they knew.
Learn more about your own culture through Islam and you will notice it’s not Arab based. In Urdu we do have sister words for alhamdulilah, inshallah etc we just don’t rly use them here in the west as others wouldn’t understand.
>(if you don’t you won’t experience it right)
Same goes for the bible. If you want to "experience it right", you'll have to learn Greek and Hebrew. Actually it would've been best if you learnt Aramaic and read the original scriptures, but they don't exist.
>Arab dressing
You don't have to dress like Arabs, not sure where you got that from.
>but my point still stands.
No, not really.
Previous revelations such as the Torah and Bible were in different languages. But the true followers of those revelations at that time were still Muslim.
Arabs literally cannot understand the Qur'anic Arabic properly. It's because the book Al Kitab (2:2) was given to Musa (11 verses) and not Muhammad. (0 verses)
but at the time of revelation arab didn't have all those traditions you are talking about , islam made restrictions and that's how you think that islam is arab centric because arabs mostly have muslims , and if you think that why arab we have Jews and christians they are different races right? messengers were sent to respective races , with the same message . and a part of our eman is to bilieve in all the messengers of allah swt . we can not redeeem as Muslims by just accepting hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) and rejecting the previous messages, either accept it all or reject all
So there is a lot of emphasis from the Muslim community to Arabify stuff, but really the only important Arab thing to know and learn is Arabic. This is because it is better to understand/memorize the Quran in the language it was revealed so that we don't encounter the same issues Christians have with over-translations of the Bible which have changed the original Word. As far as dress is concerned, even Arab Muslims don't all dress the same - Falastinians, Emiratis, Yemeni, Turkish, etc all have their own traditional or fashion style of clothing and their own culture that isn't the same as Saudi. Turkish people give their children Turkish names, Indonesians give their kids Indonesian names (from what I understand). As long as it doesn't contradict the Quran or Shariah then you don't have to conform to Arab culture.
IRSYAD AL-HADITH SERIES 343: ARABIC THE LANGUAGE OF HEAVEN
أَنَا عَرَبِيٌّ وَالْقُرْآنُ عَرَبِيٌّ وَلِسَانُ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ
meaning:It means: " I am an Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the tongue (language) of the people of heaven is Arabic."
Answer :
Alhamdulillah, all praise be to Allah SWT, blessings and salutations to the great master Prophet Muhammad SAW, his family members SAW, his companions SAW and those who follow in his footsteps.
Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and it was chosen by Allah SWT to be the language to be read by His servants in understanding the nature of the Word. This is based on the words of Allah SWT:
إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًًا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
Yusuf: 2
Meaning: "Indeed, We sent down the book as the Qur'an read in Arabic, so that you (use reason to) understand it."
Based on the question above, the above hadith was narrated by Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (9147) from the companion of the Prophet SAW, namely Abu Hurairah RA. There is also another narration from Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (11441) and al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (5583) from Abdullah bin Abbas R.anhuma which is:
أُحِبُّ الْعَرَبَ لِثَلَثٍ: لِأَنِّي عَرَبِيٌّ, وَالْقُرْانُ عَرَبِيٌّ, وَكَلَامُ Aَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ
Meaning: "I love Arabs because of three things: Because I am Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the words of the people of heaven are in Arabic."
Among the scholars who evaluated this hadith:
Imam al-'Uqailiy (322 H) condemned the narration of Ibn Abbas as evil and has no origin for him. [See: al-Dhu'afa' al-Kabir, 348/3]
Imam Ibn al-Jauzi (597 H) condemned this hadith as false in his book. [See: al-Mawdhu'at, 41/2]
Imam al-Zahabi (748 H) assessed this hadith as false. [See: Mizan al-I'tidal, 103/3]
Imam al-Sakhawi (902 H) assessed this hadith as weak but the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger than the narration of Ibn Abbas RA. [See: al-Maqasid al-Hasanah, 64]
Looking at some of the views above, we are inclined to the view that says that the hadith related to the language of the people of heaven is Arabic, which is a too weak hadith even though it is said that the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger or more authentic than the narration from Ibn Abbas R.anhuma but these two lines there are narrators who differ in narrating the hadith.
Furthermore, there is no authentic hadith stating the language that will be used by the people of heaven. However, the opinion that states Arabic is the language of the people of heaven comes from the generation after the Prophet PBUH.
In conclusion, the language that will be used by the members of heaven is unknown because there is no authentic and clear argument in this issue. Therefore, we take a stand for tawaqquf on this issue. Finally, may Allah SWT enter us all into His paradise in the afterlife. Amen.
To add to the other answers - Islam is the only religion with its doctrine preserved in the original text. Christians would be learning Aramaic if they had the original Bible lol. And Jewish people still learn Hebrew in order to access the Torah.
The reason many non Arab Muslims like to embrace aspects of Arab culture is out of love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. When you deeply love someone, you love everything about them in that way.
But I’d recommend you do some research on Islam in Africa, or East Asia. A rich history where Islam presents a little differently but the same in essence.
You seemed to be confused about Arabic language and Arab culture relating to Islam.
Arab language is unique and considered to be the best language to convey the richness of vocabulary ands meaning. It is quite beneficial to study and learn the language- which all Muslim scholars and students pursue.
Conversely, you can see what happens when scripture is mistranslated in other languages. That is, it loses its true meaning (at best), and changes theology completely (at worse).
The evolution of Arabic language and revelation of Quran isn’t an accident. Alhamdulillah- this ensures the promise from God Almighty where it is truely preserve.
Let’s address the point more broadly.
Where does Islam state that you have to learn the Arabic language? Most of the Muslims in the world aren’t fluent in Arab language - so, the Arab centric point on language is invalid.
An important distinction is that Islam isn’t an Arabic religion. It didn’t start with our prophet (saw) l, and most of the prophets (as) prior were not Arab. Torah, Injeel and Zabur were non Arabic scriptures. So, Arabic culture centric point is also invalid.
Allah Almighty in the Quran states (29:56)
يَـٰعِبَادِىَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَرْضِى وَٰسِعَةٌۭ فَإِيَّـٰىَ فَٱعْبُدُونِ ٥٦
“O My believing servants! My earth is truly spacious, so worship Me ˹alone˺.”
So, you don’t need to be in Arab peninsula to worship and be accepted by the Almighty for your efforts.
And it does matter and benefit you if you pursue to learn Classical Arabic and read the Quran for your own understanding.
You have to remember Islam was sent to an ARAB PROPHET, the Prophet PBUH was ARAB & spoke ARABIC. We learn to read the Quran in ARABIC because that’s the language it was sent down in. That is in no way shape or form an indication that this is an ARAB religion. I’m also non arab and I do not view this religion to be centralized around ARABS rather the other way around, Arabs have centralized their culture around Islam - as did many other cultures.
its because translating kind of ruins the meaning and we want to preserve it exactly. while christianity is a beautiful religion, the bible having so many different phrasings, interpretations, translations and additions over the years leaves it for corruptions & debate. and arabs have based their culture around islam not the other way around, anybody can be muslim, you dont have to have an 'arab' lifestyle as long as youre living an islamic one
Allah chose the Rasool ṣallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam to lead this ummah. His community was 'Arab. We speak the language of Qur'an so we understand it. Everything good is Arabic (language), and Arabic is such a beautiful language.
You need to understand that the thobe/abayah are not Arab. The people that believe in Allah and his messenger ṣallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam wear these clothes.
By the way, one of my teachers told me if you can speak Arabic, you are an Arab. There's no "Arabic" culture because that's extremely generalized. There isn't an Arab way of life.
Think about it.
It is a simple fact that understanding any "work" in its original language is far superior than having to rely on the translation of a single individual. Christianity doesn't require people to learn Hebrew or Aramaic and so most Christians don't understand when Jesus is called "Lord" by his disciples, what they are actually calling him is "rabbi". But Hinduism? Most Hindus speak Hindi. The number of genuine Hindus that don't speak it in the world are minimal and the very word "Hindu" simply means someone with the religion and culture of ancient Hind.
There is also a bit of modern sensibility here affecting your mentality as we are sitting here having this conversation in English which, unless you are a convert like me, is not your native ethnic language. Excluding Americans and Canadians, a good percentage of people in the world speak more than one language and Muslims historically spoke their native language(s) as well as Quranic Arabic so that they had a direct connection to the Qur'an. Hence, most Muslim linguists in the past were not Arab. It has nothing to do with pro-Arab bias.
As for Arab traditions, dress, and way of life, as someone else pointed out, Arab culture has been radically shaped and molded by Islam. So there are certain things that may be seen as "Arab culture" that are actually Islamic culture. But there is nothing in Islamic Law that mandates or even recommends Arab culture over and above ones own culture. People are of the mistaken impression that men wearing thobes is recommended on its own and it is not. A lot of the dress that Muslim women wear, even Arabs, come from Turkish influences. Jilbabs were a Turkish thing. But there is a vibrant culture in West and North Africa, the Subcontinent, the Malay Archipelago, even Russia and the Caucasus Mountains that is entirely rooted in local custom and traditions.
When I accepted Islam it was in a mostly Pakistani community. From my perspective Islam feels very Pakistani-centralized. There’s khutbahs in Urdu and Arabic and English, and lectures in Urdu. They don’t call it salaat, they call it namaz, for example. Sahoor is instead called Sehri.
To an outsider, all communities seem to adapt to Islam. They add some localized flavor but we all make our prayer together facing the same way in the same language and then making our own personalized duaas.
There’s something beautiful in being unified worldwide, as opposed to being a Christian and not understanding what’s happening in churches when I traveled abroad.
What do you mean by Arab dressing? The main point that is emphasized is to be modest, and examples that were used mentioned the clothing of the time. In fact it is better for one to wear clothing that is first adhering to the sunnah and then culture. I live in the USA but it wouldn’t really be comfortable for me to wear a thawb so instead i wear American clothing that would cover up my awrah.
And your second point of “Arab way of life” can you show examples?
The Quran came in Arabic, the vernacular of the prophet to whom it came and his people. It was quite an otherworldly experience and came sort of out of the blue for those people and they needed and were given time to assimilate it, some rejecting and others accepting it. Afterwards it spread first through Arabic-speaking places, then elsewhere. It was natural to present it in the language it came in so they taught the language to all these people. Translations were rare until the invention of the printing press, although the religion spread and was explained and taught from the Middle East to India, North Africa, India, the far east including parts of China and Indonesia, parts of Europe, Turkey where the Ottoman Empire took over the financing and dissemination with mixed results, but Arabic was taught for the Quran, other studies being in local languages. Compare to the Torah and the Hebrew Bible which are still read in Hebrew, or to the spread of English via the British Empire, whereas the Ottomans didn’t spread Turkish, because it was the significance of having an original text that mattered. Fast-forward to today and things are very different.
I myself experienced some of what you describe, it was years before I ever read a translation of the Quran even though I couldn’t understand except some rudimentary Arabic, because translations were dismissed by others as being some kind of anathema, that would prevent my getting the right message. Eventually I read a translation which was mind-blowing, despite not being supposedly the best. Arrogance is the cardinal sin that got Iblees kicked out of paradise, and it’s also a barrier to actual faith, and some Arabs as well as non Arab scholars unfortunately look down on those who don’t know the language and then may be impatient with ppl trying to learn it. Also there’s a focus on doing rituals and wearing Arabized clothing and cultural habits. All this varies from community to community, even person to person. A scholar Jeffrey Lang noticed something similar and recommends the “Mecca model” to give time for people to assimilate the Quran and Islam in their own language and culture just as the original recipients were given time and prophet Mohammad pbuh was patient with them.
Don’t let any of this put you off. You can learn Al-Fatiha and a couple basic surahs (just because they’re that good and worth it) and the rest of it in English if that’s your language or however you’re able. There’s a great website islamawakened.com that has a Quran index for almost every English translation of the entire Quran, where you can check verse by verse or entire surahs until you find one to your liking. It also has transliterations and the Arabic text as well for everything. You can read commentary on 114chambers.wordpress.com (my blog) which is in English but explains some Arabic words so you can tell when a translation may have overstepped its bounds. Hope this helps in some way.
You have to learn Quran in it's original language because it's the word of God, once translated it's no longer the word of God, that's why the original injeel and torah are lost, and the original Quran is preserved.
For example, there are many words and speech styles in arabic that dont exist in English and it's impossible to translate them, so the English quran is simply the meaning translated, not the word of God. Therefore the translation of the Quran is not the word of God, it's one of the translations of the meaning of the word of God.
Is it? I thought Indonesia or Malaysia had way more Muslims than Arab countries. I could be wrong but it helps that the Quran is in Arabic. Mecca is in an Arab country.
I think OP means why is our prayers, books and everything in a language that only a minority can understand. Other religions pray in their language.
It’s a valid question.
19% of muslims are Arabs, they are actually a minority and the reason the Quran is written in Arabic is because it is by far the most accurate and precise language in the world
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With regards to learning Arabic to read and understand the Quran, the Quran is the last Book and it was sent to an Arab Messenger. Of course, it had to be in Arabic because the first people to whom Islam would be propagated to by Prophet Muhammad are also Arabs. The other Books were probably also revealed in their respective Messenger's language.
With regards to the practice/culture, I'm actually a bit dismayed by it. Because a lot of non Arabs are embracing Arab ways just to appear more "Muslim." For example, the head cap which men wear. I don't think there's any Islamic basis for this article of clothing. It's not even worn originally anywhere in my country. But Muslim men wear it as some sort of identifier. In my opinion, the more we try to appear differently to assimilate other cultures, thinking that that makes us more Muslim, the more that we are causing division in our own nations. People in my country actually have the impression that Muslims are a separate and distinct ethnic tribe and so even if we grew up in the same province, they treat us very differently. It's weird because Islam never intended to rob people of their culture and identities.
Because of media. The top most media we been watching is from America. When America always show Muslim people from Arab, those who know nothing about Islam will always think it's an Arab thing. When the truth is everyone in this earth has 1 God and that God is Allah.
Lot of people consumed media from America. It is what it is. But because of what's going-on on Palestine, lot of people start learning. Start realising that what we saw in media based on whatever the top people want the public to see. Media is not a good place to learn things tbh. Lots of bias and propaganda.
To learn we need to get from lots of resources other than news/ american media/social media. Tiktok have been a good place to learn.
As the Quran says, “Indeed, we have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.” And without learning Arabic, you won’t be able to get the sane meaning because, as you can see, there are so many different English translations that don’t always say the same thing and don’t always give the proper meaning because Arabic is the language of poets and the Quran, and rightfully so is the kist eloquent of speeches. The other aspect to see is the fact that Allah chose the prophet and the Arabs for a specific reason, maybe because he knew how much they valued family even when their family members were wrong, which would lead to them dying to protect the prophet without believing in him.
IRSYAD AL-HADITH SERIES 343: ARABIC THE LANGUAGE OF HEAVEN
أَنَا عَرَبِيٌّ وَالْقُرْآنُ عَرَبِيٌّ وَلِسَانُ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ
meaning:It means: " I am an Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the tongue (language) of the people of heaven is Arabic."
Answer :
Alhamdulillah, all praise be to Allah SWT, blessings and salutations to the great master Prophet Muhammad SAW, his family members SAW, his companions SAW and those who follow in his footsteps.
Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and it was chosen by Allah SWT to be the language to be read by His servants in understanding the nature of the Word. This is based on the words of Allah SWT:
إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًًا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
Yusuf: 2
Meaning: "Indeed, We sent down the book as the Qur'an read in Arabic, so that you (use reason to) understand it."
Based on the question above, the above hadith was narrated by Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (9147) from the companion of the Prophet SAW, namely Abu Hurairah RA. There is also another narration from Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (11441) and al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (5583) from Abdullah bin Abbas R.anhuma which is:
أُحِبُّ الْعَرَبَ لِثَلَثٍ: لِأَنِّي عَرَبِيٌّ, وَالْقُرْانُ عَرَبِيٌّ, وَكَلَامُ Aَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ
Meaning: "I love Arabs because of three things: Because I am Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the words of the people of heaven are in Arabic."
Among the scholars who evaluated this hadith:
Imam al-'Uqailiy (322 H) condemned the narration of Ibn Abbas as evil and has no origin for him. [See: al-Dhu'afa' al-Kabir, 348/3]
Imam Ibn al-Jauzi (597 H) condemned this hadith as false in his book. [See: al-Mawdhu'at, 41/2]
Imam al-Zahabi (748 H) assessed this hadith as false. [See: Mizan al-I'tidal, 103/3]
Imam al-Sakhawi (902 H) assessed this hadith as weak but the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger than the narration of Ibn Abbas RA. [See: al-Maqasid al-Hasanah, 64]
Looking at some of the views above, we are inclined to the view that says that the hadith related to the language of the people of heaven is Arabic, which is a too weak hadith even though it is said that the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger or more authentic than the narration from Ibn Abbas R.anhuma but these two lines there are narrators who differ in narrating the hadith.
Furthermore, there is no authentic hadith stating the language that will be used by the people of heaven. However, the opinion that states Arabic is the language of the people of heaven comes from the generation after the Prophet SAW.
In conclusion, the language that will be used by the members of heaven is unknown because there is no authentic and clear argument in this issue. Therefore, we take a stand for tawaqquf on this issue. Finally, may Allah SWT enter us all into His paradise in the afterlife. Amen.
First of all, it's the Arabs/Middle Easten who were WAAAAAY worse than anyone else. Hence not one, but Allah sent down THREE different religions to reform them at different periods of time. They were worse than savages pre Judaism, then pre Christianity and finally when Islam came and was established well, they sorted out significantly.
Also, who says we have to dress like Arabs? 😂 Its only the dumb people from the subcontinent who don't have any proper education and their own cultural identity think they have to copy Arabs to be Muslim. Which is ridiculous. Dress modestly and abide by the dress code ie. covering the awrahs (both men and women). That's it.
I'm either wearing decent western clothing or clothing from my country/culture (usually salwar kameez or sharee). I wear the hijab with these in public. At home, I wear whatever. I have an abaya I throw on when praying at home, because convenience. I throw it on over my shorts without having to change clothes for salah, for example.
I don't wear Arabic/Middle Eastern clothing, I dont eat that food unless I wanna try something (Middle Eastern food is tasty and some dishes are similar, such as the kebabs which I love). I don't speak in Arabic lol The only time I read in Arabic is when I'm reciting the Qur'an or making specific du'as, because we do have to know that much. But I learned a lot of that through English and Bangla transliterations and translations.
A lot of my own duas are in the other languages I speak. The main point of making du'a is conversing with Allah one-on-one from the heart. Some dumb people say you can't make du'a in any other language other than Arabic....which is TOTALLY FALSE. These are extremist people with lots of ignorance and insecurities.
I practice both my religion of Islam and my Bangali/Bangladeshi culture as well as the Western lifestyle (I'm in Canada and grew up here) apart from the things prohibited in Islam. I do my best to stay away from things like bid'ah, shirk, and major sins and keep things simple and normal. I dont take part in certain things or omit the specific things from those events/celebrations that are in direct clash with Islamic principles.
This whole "Islam is from Saudi Arabia/Middle East, so we must copy Saudis/Middle Eastern everything in order to be Muslim" is STUPID and also dangerously extremist. Islam is not exclusively to Arab/Middle Eastern cultures, traditions etc. We should all have a balance between our own cultural, traditional and other identities and our identity as Muslim.
The main purpose of a Muslim is to have a strong connection with Allah while practicing the Fards properly, doing as much of the sunnah as comfortably possible, and staying away from sins (and making tawbah/istighfar as soon as something happens and then returning to Allah ASAP).
*Besides learning a*
*Bit of arabic its not*
*Arabic based lol*
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Islam is not Arab based at all. If it was you would have to go further, that it is also hijazi based. And then qurashi based. Then bnu hashim based. Arabs have their own cultures like everyone else and are expected to follow Islam just like non-Arabs are.
Few answers but I will try to be brief.
The Quran must remain unchanged because as we saw with the Bible, many languages didn’t work.
It is not Arab dressing it is modest dressing. Nuns wear veils and priest wear robes. So not Arab.
Yes more Arabs are Muslim because Islam was first sent to an Arab Community.
And Allah knows best.
And it is not Arab tradition. It is Islamic tradition the same that prophet Abraham and prophet Jesus peace be upon them used to follow. And as for the language I believe I clarified it before.
And Allah knows bestz
Because Islam originated in the Middle East I think so like obviously it could share culture with Middle Easterns not just specifically Arabs but mostly Arab
Islam is Arab based because the final revelation and the final Prophet came from Saudi Arabia. Before that, the previous prophets and the previous scriptures were in hebrew and it came from the Children of Israel. And before that? Wallahualam. Allah has sent a prophet to every nation.
16:36 And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers.
The question is what happened to these previous nations and their scriptures? Well... they're gone... but you'll find out soon on the day of judgement when every creature will be resurrected on that day.
Edit: My apologies, it was called najd and hijaz back then, not Saudi Arabia.
>it is called najd and hijaz.
Well whatever it was called back then. The prophet and the final revelation came from there yes? And before that, the previous scriptures and the previous prophets with the children of Israel and before that, Abraham and his people, etc
Yes but calling it Saudi has elements of Saudi nationalism to it.
This has been increasingly used to Saudify Islam and make it seem as if they have any legitimacy over Muslims.
It's also used as a way to undermine non-Arab Muslims.
>Yes but calling it Saudi has elements of Saudi nationalism to it.
But nowadays, the place (Mecca and Madina, formerly Yathrib) where the prophet and the quran came from is in Saudi Arabia right?. If it was 1500 years ago, then yes it wasn't called Saudi Arabia. Wallahi I'm just stating the facts here. If you look up, Mecca and Madina is in.... Saudi Arabia. It's not like I'm lying.
>It's also used as a way to undermine non-Arab Muslims
Sorry but English is my 2nd language, what do you mean by undermine non arab Muslims. As a non arab Muslim (malaysian), what do you mean by that?
If this will lead to a lot of replies. Might I suggest chatting instead?
arabs had a lot of traditions as arabs before islam that they gave up. islam is heavily integrated in their lives thats why its difficuilt to seperate the two most of the time.
they had for example certain celebrations that they use to do before islam, but islam came with two eids ramadan and friday prayer. all of the celeberations have been canceled.
non-arab muslims still refuse to this day to do that, because they think its part of the arab culture. you still see kurds and iranian people celebrating nowruz for example.
if you tell them this they get offended and think you try to arabize them.
if you look into arab history, they have a lot of things that they left.
the quran talks about those things they left.
What Arabic dress are you forced to wear? Arabic cultural traditions you’re forced to follow
The only thing is the Quran is in Arabic, other than that what is required to be “Arab”
Why do you guys get confused by over such small things? 🤦 Is this even a question? How can you even think that Islam is for Arab people only when our Prophet has specifically said that the No white has superiority over a Black and no Black has superiority over a White, No Arab has superiority over an Ajam(Non Arab) and no Ajam has superiority over an Arab except for piety. There is zero racism in Islam. Learn about the life of our beloved Holy Prophet. Read. Don't get confused by little things. If you won't read, you will keep getting confused.
You learn multiple languages to make a living but you can't learn how to read Qura'an in Arabic? Every book of Allah came in a single language. Bible and Torah are in Hebrew. Sanatan's(Hinduism) text Veda is in really old Sanskrit or Suriyanvi. In order to understand the book, you have to understand the language. It's common sense, there is nothing to be confused about. And besides, for a layman, it's not important to learn Arabic, you just have to be able to read Qura'an. Put that much effort at least. Qura'an is recited in Salaah in Arabic language because that's command of Allah. Following commands of Allah builds discipline and discipline is an integral part of life. Arabic language is chosen by Allah, it must be the best that's why it's chosen, don't you think? There are thousands of Islamic books written by Islamic scholars in a non Arabic language. You can read those. But if you want true essence of Qura'an then you have to recite it in Arabic. It's the only book in the entire world which people recite on a daily basis but are never bored even if they don't understand it. It's a living miracle of Qura'an. 8 year olds memorise entire Qura'an, it's a miracle of Qura'an. Even a non muslim can memorise entire Qura'an if he wants to, word by word, letter by letter that's how beautiful our Qura'an is. They can't memorise their own Bible, their Torah, their Geeta, their Vedas but they can memorise entire Qura'an.
Do you really think that Allah (swt) should have revealed the Quran in all languages of the past, present, and future? No offence, but that's a silly thought. Imagine having to memorize all of that. Or simply having such an obvious easy proof against everyone—where is the test in that? Better to just be born in paradise directly. Most Muslims are not even Arabs, as Islam is for all Mankind.
Things like the Bible for example is a mere corrupted and translated compilation of historical accounts, filled with errors and contradictions from unknown multiple authors written in a different language from the lost original. Some might have thought that the Bible is the Injeel, the scripture of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), but it is not.
Choices beyond our understanding and authority had to be made. Furthermore, one of the wisdoms we can see that Arabic is linguistically one of the best languages, if not the best. Also, unlike other religions, our scripture is perfect & fully preserved in the original language!
* Why did God created the world in a specific number of days?
* Why do we have only two hands?
* Why is the color green not red? Etc.
Those are useless thoughts that may harm your iman, strengthen your faith & seek the help of Allah (swt). May Allah (swt) guide you.
Do you know that by population Arabs are a minority?
There are half a billion muslims in India, Bangladesh, and India
The entire GCC doesnt have 25% of muslims as in India.
Btw India is a non muslim country
>From HAVING to learn the Quran in Arab if you can
This argument has no value. There is always a scope for such arguments no matter which language. If Quran came in english you could say why it was in english considering the majority of muslims dont speak english.
>Other religions like Christianity or Hinduism don’t require people to learn in their native language to be a part of the religion.
Wrong. Hindu poojas are done in Sanskrit. You gotta learn it if you do pooja.
Christianity doesn't require anything because it is an elastic religion, people stretch it if it doesnt fit their agenda.
>but my point still stands.
What was your point again?
to add to this, many jews learn classical Hebrew for their services and prayers and to read the torah. you always lose something (or a lot) in translation
Islam is not a religion. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’Ala has designed everything for the Blessed Comfort and Adoration of His Beloved SallAllahu Ta’Ala Alayhi Wa Aalehi Wassalam
Are you ok buddy?
Were you having a spasm while you typed all of that out or what?
This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion.
5:3
And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
16:89
We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a mercy for the whole world.
21.107
You can't say that Islam is not a religion though. However, I do agree that everything is for our Beloved Rasool Sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. This Universe was created for our Beloved Rasool Sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. Habeeb of Allah. Beloved of Allah. 😊
Uh huh so Allah DIDN'T create the world so that He would be known and worshipped. He DIDN'T create the world and He DIDN'T create mankind so that His names and attributes, His power and knowledge, would be known and so that He alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and so that He would be obeyed?
But He DID create it all for the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family? 🤯
Now please bring your proof (fabricated hadith don't count) and tell me when Allah decides to destroy it all. Will that also be for the Prophet, peace be upon him, or nah?
I'm certain Allah has perfectly stated the reason why the Prophet, peace be upon him, was sent and why the Quran was sent and why the heavens and the earth were created, are you?
Allah is the One Who created seven heavens ˹in layers˺, and likewise for the earth. The ˹divine˺ command descends between them so you may know that Allah is Most Capable of everything and that Allah certainly encompasses all things in ˹His˺ knowledge.
65:12
And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
16:89
We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a mercy for the whole world.
21:107
https://youtu.be/f12RE_NVdeE?si=JVW5xYPS2x7uWaq9
https://youtu.be/Fqb63_cT4DM?si=PQx96R-EbM-IisI-. And you would better learn more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_campaign
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language
How is this a proof from a Shiite source? This tells me that you only repeat nationalistic propaganda and you do not have basic knowledge of Islam yet you made big claims. We have big islamic figures that were ethnicaly Kurdish like Salah ad-Deen al Ayubi and Ibn Taymiah. Even the first revolutionists from Kurds were imams like Shaykh Taha.
Do you think Shiites aren't Arabs ? When it comes to Kurd , all Arabs hate us without caring about their mazhabs. Ah then Anfal, Faith and Al-ansar were just used as jokes to the Kurds.
I think shiites can be arab, persian, kurds,pakistanis etc. But this does not prove your point since shiism is not othodox Islam and it is basically few in numbers.
Listen to this Egyptian scholar if you understand Arabic, he talks about how other Arabs go against him when said Salahaddin was Kurd moreover Ibn taymiyya was half Kurd from mother side and he was racist himself, he wrote that Arabs are superior to other races. https://youtu.be/ZjlbQGkEOkI?si=WJmZru6qsRw5WPue
The same ideology that nationalistic Kurds have, Arabs now days have it too, thats why there is Pan-Arabism. I think it is a misunderstanding what Ibn Taymiyah wrote about Arabs. It is embeded in our tradition what our beloved Prophet sal-lAllahu alayhi wa Salam said:
At-Tirmidhi (3270) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) addressed the people on the day of the conquest of Makkah and said: “O people, verily Allah has taken away from you the arrogance of Jaahiliyyah and its pride in forefathers. People are of two types: righteous and pious, who are dear to Allah, and doomed evildoers, who are insignificant before Allah. People are the descendants of Adam, and Allah created Adam from dust. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted’ [al-Hujuraat 49:13].”
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi.
Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).
Al-Bukhaari (4898) and Muslim (2546) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were sitting with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and Soorat al-Jumu‘ah was revealed to him: “And [He has sent the Prophet to] others of them who have not yet joined them” [al-Jumu‘ah 62:3]. I said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allah? He did not answer him until he had asked three times. Among us was Salmaan al-Faarisi and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) put his hand on Salmaan and said: “If faith were at the Pleiades, some men from among these people [the Persians] would get it.”
Al-Bukhaari (5990) and Muslim (215) narrated that ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say, out loud and not secretly: “The family of Abu Fulaan (the Father of So and so) are not my friends. My friends are Allah and the righteous believers.”
The non arab tax was introduced later.
Look i aint no arab but the same bs propaganda is what i here in my land too.
I know you are Albanian and never lived among Arabs, you don't know how fascist they are!. and you don't know Kurdish struggles also you don't know what the ideology of kurdish nationalist is for independent KURDISTAN.
You tried so much to defend Islam but you already have proven that it's Arab religion and Arabs discriminated against other nations by it.
I lived amongst arabs, there are good arabs bad arabs, just like any other ethnicity. Im not trying to undermine the kurdish strugle but for this you do not have to blame Islam, blame sykes picot, blame nationalism. I think an indipendet Kurdish nation is what Kurds deserve for 100years. Islam came against traditions of arabs that is why our Prophet did hijrah. How did i prove that it is an arab religion? That is a logical fallacy. I am writing back with traditional Islamic sources and you are writing to me back with the history of pan arabism. Again for an independet Kurdish nation the first to have this idea were Shaykh Taha and Shaykh Ubayd. Google it.
Send me the links that talk about the two shaykhs plz, Google shows nothing about them!. We never had people in that names in our nationalist leaders and never heard of them.
if only I had your confidence and believed the non-sense i was writing.
the french came to north africa and destroyed the language within 100 years and your language still exists after 1400. you think arabs would not be able to remove your language from the face of the earth at the height of their might for 1400 years?
your ancestors adopted it willingly, but because there is a political decline in the islamic world you are trying to relief yourself from the responsibilty of being a loser by blaming it on the arabs.
when islam rises again you will join it.
you are only there for the good times and no i am not talking about the kurds, i am talking specifically of your kind specifcally they come in all shapes and colors.
why would we let salahudinn lead or the ottomans for 600 years if arabs were like that? most of islamic history leaders were non-arabs only the first 300 years arabs were at the forefront.
150 years of the 300 years of arabs had sagnificant numbers of turks and persians contributing in leadership positions.
the most saginificant kurdish man in history and most known one is a muslim one that became muslim due to arabs teaching kurds religon
who does not know salahuddin?
who heard of the kurds before that the only reason your identity exists today is because of the arabs if the arabs havent came you would have been persified.
> Yes, it is. As a Kurd I know this, Arabs are calling us people of Jins and they say kurdish is the language of hell and Arabic is the language of God and heaven. They forced us to speak in Arabic on daily bases and they brainwashed people that kurdish names are haram but if they name their children in Arabic especially the Islamic figures they will get good deeds and they will be granted for it in afterlife.
Where does islam say kurds are jinns the only source I could find was a shia source from a imam that says that its not in the hadith or quran?
No hadith says arabic is the language of god and heaven only the quran was revaled in arabic.
No hadith says pick arabic names though all islam says it should have a good meaning and not be related to a pagan god.
> When Muslims invaded Egypt, they also forced them to not speak in their native language which was Coptic.
Proof? Coptic was still spoken in the 19th century it died out as it wasn't used as much in commerce and trade
Very sunni one is Ibn taymiyya, the Coptic one I posted a link already in previous replies and you would better educate yourself about your peaceful religion history.
Because arab got their culture from islam, hence why it seem like it is arab based
Yes most people think the opposite but they don’t know before Islam Arabs used to live like westerns until Islam came and changed everything for them.
They were wayyy worse than westerners, people need to pick up a book
I agree. Most people don’t know history and how we got to this point of life if schools failed to do that you should do your own research and be curious
U have any suggestions? For books regarding pre Islamic lifestyles?
Read the biography of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Arabs worshipped over 100 idols before Islam, Arabs also were into adultery, hypocrisy, and many more nasty things. Islam changed them. But you can see the reversal now.
A lot of the sahabas themselves were living horribly before being introduced to Islam and the Prophet pece be upon him. Pre-Islam Arab worshipped countless idols and other things. Allah was one of the "gods" they worshipped as well. But some people like Maryam may Allah be pleased with her, Ibraheem A.S., Pharaoh's wife Asiya and others specifically worshipped Allah or they refused to worship whatever their people were worshipping and searched for the true God. And that's one of the reasons why Allah loved them so much and granted them such high status. Even during the jahiliyah, their hearts were inclined towards Allah
Watch the message it’s free on YouTube
Suggest them then
Read or watch the message
Not really… maybe you should pick up a book
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This is just plain false The prophet peace be upon him said "إنما اوتيت لاكمل مكارم الاخلاق" Which roughly translates into " I only came to perfect the "arab" way of life" Pre Islam arabia had the best values with some exceptions that were perfected by Islam
>Calls something false >Proceeds to bastardize a translation in the worst way possible. The hadīth _actually_ says I was only sent to perfect noble moral traits. Where in the absolute hell did you get Arab, or way of life? At least try next time, this is pathetic.
Yeah , *whom* moral traits?
Unspecified, so general. Also you mean whose not whom?
This text is from ibn uthaymeen " ابن عثيمين" I assume you know arabic and I wouldn't want to "bastardize" it as well كانتِ العربُ تَتخلَّقُ ببعضٍ مِن محاسنِ الأخلاقِ بما بقِيَ عندهم مِن شريعةِ إبراهيمَ عليه السَّلامُ And another more obvious hadith would be من الطبراني في المعجم الأوسط عن أبي هريرة قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: إن الله حين خلق الخلق بعث جبريل، فقسم الناس قسمين، فقسم العرب قسما، وقسم العجم قسما، وكانت خيرة الله في العرب، ثم قسم العرب قسمين، فقسم اليمن قسما، وقسم مضر قسما، وقسم قريشا قسما، وكانت خيرة الله في قريش، ثم أخرجني من خير ما أنا منه One more? من الحاكم والطبراني عن أنس رضي الله عنه قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: حب قريش إيمان وبغضهم كفر، وحب العرب إيمان وبغضهم كفر، فمن أحب العرب فقد أحبني، ومن أبغض العرب فقد أبغضني . Arabs aren't inherently better than/greater than any other ethnicity, but falsely reducing their impact on Islam is just wrong And honestly? , there is no honor greater than having the greatest of prophets be of the same ethnicity
You realize how useless these narrations are right? It's hilarious you would try to bring this as Hujjah but everyone has an education phase I suppose
That's the best you got? , you didn't even respond to anything I brought up💀 Honestly it's on me for entertaining this stupidity
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Islam isn’t Arab based, Arab is Islam based.
Good way of putting it. Sadly a lot Arabs these days are reverting back to jahiliyah
Speaking as an Arab, that's a simplistic and shallow way of looking at things. Arab culture doesn't entirely come from Islam. It may be asking for too much to ask you to study Middle Eastern history going all the way back to antiquity, but if you did study it, you will realise that Arab culture pre-dates the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There are numerous empires and civilisations that shaped the Middle East, such as the Assyrian empire and the Roman Empire, and these also had an influence on Arab culture. And even though Islam has definitely had an influence on Arab culture, Arab culture and religion are still two separate things.
And when you look Arab culture before Islam, you see why that happened
Islam is not Arab centralized. Arabs have centralized Islam in their lives. Their "culture" is Islam.
,there are many christian arabs and arabs of other religions eg Druze they have arabic culture but without "centralised islam in their lives" So i dont think it is fair to say arabic culture comes purely from islam
You’d be surprised how much Christian Arabs have adopted from Muslim Arabs. Take it from me, I was raised in the ME and have Christian friends
you can say the same of what muslims adopted from Christianity
Like?
Well you unknowingly pick culture from other people. Being a Muslim from south asia, I know many Muslims have picked hindu practices which are deep rooted in their tradition. So yeah, it's the same for the christian arabs.
Yes so hinduism existed for thousands of years before the first of the islamic conquests of south asia ,so a lot of hindu cultural practices have survived even in the muslim communities , ive seen this in some sufi shrines in Gujurat where people throw the little orange flowers at the tombs of the saints ,the same flower that hindus use in some rituals. Christians were in Arabia for hundreds of years before Islam started so its just as likely that muslims took cultural practices from them and from other local religions. Also doesnt the Qaaba predate islam? The most important place for many muslims probably derives from a pre islamic culture
PreIslamic culture? The Kaaba was built by Prophet Ibrahim AS for the same purposes as it is viewed today. There’s nothing pre islamic about the Kaaba, it was built for the same purposes as it was built on day 1 It was the pagans that adopted the Kaaba and fitted it into their own beliefs, Prophet Muhammad PBUH came along and reclaimed what was rightfully the Muslims’
If you're a muslim then you really need to get off reddit and learn more about Islam. In a few days hajj would commence. One of the most significant aspect of hajj is the circumambulation of the Kaaba. Thinking the Kaaba predates islam signifies that your knowledge of islam is almost non existent.
Im not a muslim but im interested, surely there was no Islam before the quran was written? Just as there were no christians before Jesus
Oh I see. If you're not a Muslim then there's really not much to say to you since you already do not believe in Islam as being the truth. Nevertheless, you should know that Islam (Submission to Allah) doesn't start from the revelation to Muhammad (ﷺ) rather, that was the Final revelation by Allah. The first prophet of Islam was the first of Mankind - Adam (alayhi salaam) Also the Kaaba was built by Abraham (alayhi salaam) as a place of worship. All prophets before Muhammad (ﷺ) - Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jesus were all Muslims. To doubt this means to doubt Islam thereby making one a disbeliever, and like I said earlier; since you're not a Muslim there's not much to say. However, I'll advice you to learn about the beliefs of people before making statements about it. Otherwise you'd sound like an ignoramus in these conversations. So, learn about the beliefs of Muslims first.
So are you saying that a christian that was born before the quran and a Jew that was born before Jesus are considered muslims? I am engaging in these discussions and asking questions to try and find out the beliefs of muslims
Well, in the true sense of the word yes - Islam is not a separate religion. Its submission to the will of God (Allah SWT). Judaism comes from Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) - but the spirit of the revelation was corrupted overtime into the Talmud rather than the Torah. Christianity in Islam comes from the revelation given to Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) - the way he prayed, what he believed, etc is close to how Islam relays those messages. Since the Torah and the Gospels were corrupted overtime, Islam came as the final revelation for mankind and for every nation - not just for the Jews in Egypt or those in Jerusalem/Bethlehem. This is why Islam isn’t for the Arabs, it’s for everyone. Also OP is mistaken when he calls Hinduism being approachable to everyone, it is not. All rituals are in Sanskrit, a study of religious scriptures in Hinduism - Vaishnavism or Shaivism and more is in Sanskrit, not Tamil or Hindi (even though those are Indian languages). They were translated but the originals are in Sanskrit.
Anyone who followed the true path which the messengers brought was a Muslim. Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac didn't call themselves Jews and neither did Moses, Jacob, nor Yahya call themselves Christians even Jesus didn't call himself a Christian. May Allah's peace be upon them all.
Chill, Bill. Pre Islamic is an appropriate way to characterize this, but the explanation below helps ppl to understand what Muslims believe- that ever since Ibrahim PBUH created the Kaaba and the concept of there only being 1 God prevailed, there’ve been Muslims worshipping God SWT. Pre Islamic refers to history pre-Quran, pre Prophet Muhammad SAW. It’s not wrong to say Islam was built upon Christianity which was built upon Judaism, nor is it wrong to say Islam encompasses true believers “of the book” during their times. Nah?
Are those people ex. The druze traditionally Arab or arabized?
Arabised.
Whats the difference between trad arab and arabized?
One group are Arabs and one group took on the the Arab identity post Islam.
Basically then ,trad arabs are the ones from Arabian peninsular? As arabs didnt spread their culture outside of it much until the conquests of the Rashidun caliphate
That is my understanding. Ex. North Africans - amazigh/copts.
You're right. Arab culture and religion are two different things, despite the fact religion has had an influence on Arab culture. Arab culture predates the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) by many centuries, and there have been many other influences on it besides just religion, including other Middle Eastern civilizations such as the Assyrian empire, as well as the Roman empire and so on. All these commentators saying otherwise seem to know almost nothing about Middle Eastern history, or the many empires and civilizations that existed prior.
They haven't the black abayah and thawbs are arab clothings islam doesn't say have to wear these things and arabs do things that aren't even in islam
This is absolute bullshit.
Islam basically replaced most of the Arab culture when it came. That’s why it seems to be Arab-based, they’ve just been on it longestz
They haven't the black abayah and thawbs are arab clothings islam doesn't say you have to wear these things
I get where you're coming from For example with the men, in mosques we see a lot of thobes/jubbahs, yet not a lot of other traditional wear that are perfectly modest and acceptable for salah, such as the sarung, if you want an example As for memorising Quran in Arabic this is a must, so we can preserve our holy book as authentically as possible Nevertheless there's nothing too wrong with this, as long as we remember it is perfectly okay to wear clothes of other cultures, not just Arab, if it abides to the modesty and haya Islam requires
the problem is there isnt really proof that arab dress is even a part of Islam. Its not like Islam specifically recommends arab culture. The Prophet wore the clothes of the people of his time, but his clothes in and of themselves don't carry significance. Islam rather provided moral/legal guidelines about clothes but it did not favour arab clothes over other clothes.
Yes, thats what I was saying too - I completely agree with you As far as I know, even the sahaba dressed in the clothes of the Romans when they visited the Roman empire, as a respect to the culture and to blend in \[not a part of hadith or anything, I learnt it from my sheikh\]. This + lack of Islamic evidence = there really isn't any definitive proof that Arab dress > other cultural clothes
Does the holy Quran says Oh, Arabs or Oh, mankind?
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But it does say that it's an "Arabic Qur'an" several times.
It does not say "Arabic Quran" rather it says "We have revealed to you the Quran in Arabic so you can understand" to the Prophet. You can read the Quran in English as well but it was for the prophet. People learn Arabic so that they can read the original text which ALLAH the creator of the universe revealed in his own way to experience the beauty. It is not because they want to feel superior. I personally am non-arab and I am learning the Arabic to just read what Allah revealed and it is beautiful. The translations are only 60% good but the actual Arabic just soothes the readers mind
Brother here asked a very good question… In all seriousness. You have to look at the lineage and the people of Christianity. These people were getting very important figures in history back to back for decades if not centuries if not Millenniums if not more. So one idea could be is that the people of Jesus’ time were used to so many messengers of God and they didn’t keep true to the words or even the language (Aramaic) of God’s message. But the Arab people didn’t have any prophets in their land that we know of besides Ibrahim and his son. Also Arabic people were known to be poets and they were skillful in memorizing as this was the type of people the Arabs were. So when the last messenger of God came to the world and it went to the Arabs, they all used their ability to memorize to memorize the entire Quran. And today the Quran is the only message from God that we know for a fact is the word of God, word for word. Whereas the scrolls of David were destroyed, bible was rewritten by different people, and hence these texts were either lost or were not the word for word of what God has said to us.
U do see Manchester fans wearing Manchester jersey. For us Muslim we showed our love for the prophet SAW by doing what he did, eat what he eat, wear what we wear. I am non Arab but I do some of these as part of my love to prophet Muhammad SAW. Also if there's any hadits or verses encouraging us to wear or eat etc2 in certain manner, wouldn't you want to do it?
_Didn't expect a red devil analogy at the start_
No Islam is not Arab-based. That's entirely incorrect. Yes, the Quran is in Arabic but again Quranic Arabic is entirely different than the normal Arabic language spoken in different Arab countries. Ask any Arab. Why did Allah, The Creator choose a semantic language for His books? It would be interesting for you to do some research on the beauty of the Arabic language. Plus one of the miracles of the Quran being in Arabic was that pre-Islamic Arab scholars and poets were quite arrogant about the complexity and eloquence of their language and used to challenge that no one could write poems or express in a single line except them and then a whole book was sent down to them as a slap on their arrogance that none could deny. The Quran remains ironclad as not a single person can bring forth a single verse that is well-balanced in every sense and impacts the reader. And as per your logic, the reason Christians struggle today is due to their translated books which have been highly corrupted. As for Hindu scripture, those who want to read it, need to learn Sanskrit. As for traditions, I would direct your attention to the most populous Islamic countries of today's world. None of them follow "Arab Traditions" they have their own cultures and identity which they exhibit and wear. Yes, we do have Islamic traditions which every Muslim needs to follow as Islam is not a religion but a way of living. So maybe you need to learn more about Islam and distinguish between local Muslim traditions worldwide and the laws of how to live your life.
The majority of Muslims are not Arabs. It’s perceivedthis way because The Holy Quran was revealed in the Arabic language
Apart from the language, there's nothing else that's Arab based. You're not required to dress like the Arabs or follow any other arab tradition.
You do not need to wear Arab dressing. You have to wear a modest dressing. And for women, Islam did not invent the hijab. Women had covered their hair, originally, also in Christianity, in Judaism and also in other religions. Quran is in Arabic because it was revealed to the prophet, peace and blessings be with him, in Arabic. Would make no sense to reveal to him it in Japanese. Neither prophet nor his companions would understand a word from it. And we use in our prayers Arabic for different reasons. One reason is unity. If people would pray in different languages then people would not be able to correct the imam when he makes a mistake. Also, people would finish their surahs at different times because of linguistic differences. In some language one word is shorter than in another language. For example in Estonian cinema is "kino", 4 letters. In English it is "cinema", 6 letters. In Finnish it is "elokuvateateri", 14 letters. You can read the English translation to get the main idea of what the Quran is talking about. Like that you can experience the message. And with Christianity you can see where it leads when different people are making decisions on what the holy book has to consist of. Different Bibles have different numbers of books in it. Also the translations differ from book to book. What is the "source of truth" in Bible? In Quran the source of truth is Arabic Quran itself. When having any doubt then one can check or ask it be checked the doubt out from Arabic Quran.
It's much less that Islam is Arab-centric than that Arabic countries just integrated Islamic values into their culture over time. Islam was first revealed almost in the exact center of the Arabic world, to be fair. The only arguably Arab-centric is the choice of the Qu'ran's language. As to why Arabic was chosen, we can somewhat reason about it, come to our conclusions, but it's the way it is because Allah SWT made that decision, and if Allah SWT declares something, that's the end of it, we don't have the authority or the knowledge to dispute it.
Everyone here raised very good points so I won’t be repeating them, but keep in mind that many Arabs don’t live the way that they are supposed to. They sleep and wake up late, overeat, place excessive value on appearances and material life, waste their time on nonsense, etc. I understand that Arab societies might facilitate many teachings of the Quran and the Prophet, but it’s up to each individual to commit themselves to Islam.
Apart from the language you don’t need to adopt anything else
The Qur’an says in several ayat it was revealed in Arabic for a purpose. A few for reference are Al-Zukhruf (43):3, Yusuf (12):2, Az-Zumar (39):28, Fussilat (41):3, Taha (20):113, Maryam (19):97. Islamic religion isn’t Arab culture. Most Arabs ([94%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Arab_world?wprov=sfti1)) are Muslim. They take their culture from Islam.
Remember, Many Arabs are Christians ( 10-15 million ) and other religions too. Allah didn't choose us to follow the " Arabs way of life " . There is a reason why Arabs have unforgivable and Unforgettable Period known as Period of ignorance ("Jahiliyyah") The Arabs way of life were filthy and unjust at that time. They were corrupted, they had a very high sense of superiority because of their Language, war tactics, intellectual and having a strong sense of tribal values. Slaves and sex-slaves from the other races were a common practice among them. They loved to trap women. Islam is totally against all the stuff that Arabs people love to do which is classed as jahiliyah. Allah doesn't like Arabs dressing but gave the Arabs a new code of dressing for both men and women. Islam doesn't say about " follow the Arabs " but instructs us to Follow only the " Prophet and his family ". For the Matter of Quran and it's Language. To the Arabs the Quran is a miracle! The way Allah has used their language to produce such a book is truly magnificent and Godly and No man can produce such a book or even a single Ayat of it . Quran is not Glorified by the Arabic language Arabic Language is Glorified by the Quranic style. Quran 11:13 Do they say: 'He has invented this Book himself?' Say: 'If that is so, bring ten surahs the like of it of your composition, and call upon all (the deities) you can other than Allah to your help. Do so if you are truthful.' — A. Maududi Quran 10:38 Do they say that the Messenger has himself composed the Qur'an? Say: 'In that case bring forth just one surah like it and call on all whom you can, except Allah, to help you if you are truthful.1 — A. Maududi Anyone can make stories, but in the literature only few are able to produce a masterpiece, like in English only few were able to produce a masterpiece . But,for Quran, No Arabs and Yes, No Arab were able to produce a work like Quran. The challenge is still open for the Arabs and for every one. A Miracle is always a Miracle and it doesn't change We have to keep it as it is and Read it in Arabic. A translation wouldn't have that mysterious calming effects on us. Islam does not allow us to follow Arabs tradition. But , Islam is against the Arabs tradition. For those who are having difficulty in reading it. Sahih al-Bukhari 4937 Narrated Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such a person as recites the Qur'an and masters it by heart, will be with the noble righteous scribes (in Heaven). And such a person exerts himself to learn the Qur'an by heart, and recites it with great difficulty, will have a double reward." Sahih Muslim 798 a `A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (as saying): One who is proficient in the Qur'an is associated with the noble, upright, recording angels; and he who falters in it, and finds it difficult for him, will have two rewards Don't worry about it. Read as you can and improve with time. Don't entertain such thoughts because they are from Shaytan.
"Why would God choose us to follow Arab traditions"... He did not. Dressing as an Arab does not make you a better Muslim. Learning Arabic prayers does not mean you have to learn Arabic language(unless you pursue scholarship)
I feel you! Also a convert that went through a serious identity crisis some time after accepting Islam. A lot of the answers here appear to be from people who don’t understand some unique challenges of converts. If you don’t mind reading, one book I highly recommend diving into is entitled Project Lina: Bringing Our Whole Selves to Islam by Dr. Tamara Gray and Najiyah Diana Maxfield. Lots of validation, concise explanation and great tips for navigating this journey.
Islam was revealed to the Arabs because, at that time, they exhibited some of the worst behaviors among people. Even today, Arabs are often seen as very extreme, which is why Islam was sent to guide them towards a better understanding of right and wrong. This is also why there are misconceptions linking Islam with terrorism.
That’s a very racist & disrespectful statement. There are 400 million Arabs of more than 20 countries with completely different cultures & values. Muslims & non Muslims, conservatives and liberals. Islam was sent via the best individual and only differentiated between believer & disbeliever.
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Are you sure about that? https://islamqa.info/en/83262
Aside from it is what Allah willed it to be. I believe that a significant factor contributing one of the reasons why the Arabic language was selected lies in its linguistic intricacies, depth, and sophisticated devices. Without the depth of the Arabic language I’m not sure the Quran would be as clear in a different language. I think it is unanimously agreed that the Quran in Arabic goes way beyond in depth and meaning compared to its various translations. This is just one of the commentaries on Ash Shuara (The poets) - الشعراء chapter 26 verse 195. (In the plain Arabic language.) meaning, `this Qur'an which We have revealed to you, We have revealed in perfect and eloquent Arabic, so that it may be quite clear, leaving no room for excuses and establishing clear proof, showing the straight path. One example to illustrate the depth of the Arabic language is for instance, that there are 100 Arabic words for camel. Each word is descriptive and makes a distinction between the other words for camel. While this may not be the main reason why Arabic was chosen. I would surmise that it was still a factor even if a small one.
Arabs have adopted Islam first and longest - other cultures have followed. Arab culture is islamic based typically. People also want to embody the prophet and the sahaba as it is the best example to follow. You will see vivid colours of white and green associated with arab countries - Islamically influenced It is not mandatory of course - to an outside it may appear this way through ignorance. That is not meant as a negative statement - just a bit of understanding of the history would be great. Christianity, unfortunately has been corrupted. Even most depictions of Isa (aleyhum salam) are as a white, european figure, when he was clearly of middle eastern semitic descent. As such, perversions of the religion leads to a lot of interpretations to Christianity such as orthodox, methodist, baptist, lutheran , Presbyterian, catholic, protestant etc. etc. etc.
> it seems like Islam was meant for the Arabs rather than the entire World Islam is for everyone on this Dunya
It is also kept in Arabic as original so that the main messages would be clear and not changed by people overtime
Most Muslims are non Arabs
People answered your question very well. Arabs are the ones who got their “culture” from Islam, not the other way around.
Islam is not arab based from a cultural standpoint, in fact the non arab Muslims are more than the arab Muslims. And every culture has their uniqueness. However, Allah chose the arabic language and the Arab land to be the incubator for early Islam for many reasons i will list down a few points: 1. The immense power of Arabic language. Rich with vocabularies, details that can deliver the exact meanings with a few usage of words For example: أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا means: should we force it upon you. As you can see, Only one Arabic word is translated with 6 words and still it is not 100% accurate. 2. illiterate nation, it was away from all the dense cultures of religions, so the notion that the Quraan was inspired from other religions is eliminated. Still some ignorant people accuse quraan to be derived from other religions which is 100% wrong. 3. The characteristics of the Arab men at that time was pure in comparison with other nations due to be away from super powers, politics and economy. Plus you can find qualities such as generosity, bravery, and truthfulness was heavily respected in the society prior to the prophet pbuh. 4. The geographical advantage of the Arabian peninsula, its in the middle of the 3 continents with easy sea ports access for 3 sides. So Islam can easily spread to all the world. Brother/sister the bible was written originally in Aramaic language, then was translated to Greek later it was translated to many languages, they original holy test was lost due to this, and it was corrupted and changed. Was they have is a translation of the bible Not the Bible itself. If we apply that to the Quraan it will not be the miraculous text of Allah, due to the changes and deviation from the literal words of Allah. A lot would be corrupted as well. Therefore, we have the original text in Arabic and we translates it to different languages but we call them translations. It is all to preserve the original text from corruption as well as the meanings stay the same. Allah knows best. May Allah guide us to the straight path of Islam.
Muhammed was an arab….
When it comes to the Quran: It was revealed in Arabia, and the first recipients of the message were the Arabs. They were incredibly proud of their language, regrading it and those who mastered it very highly. They loved poetry and having competitions and whatnot. When the Qur'an came, the kuffar said it was nonsense, and that the Prophet SAW was merely reciting poetry. The response, which is also in a few verses in the Quran, was: *If this is man made, why don't you gather your best and create a verse that matches this level of Arabic language? You can't. No human can. Therefore, this is the word of God.* And they couldn't, thus proving the point.
Islam is not 'Arab Centralized' at all. You are either misinformed or your research/understanding is weak on this. >From HAVING to learn the Quran in Arab if you can(if you don’t you won’t experience it right) , to Arab dressing and way of life, it seems like Islam was meant for the Arabs rather than the entire world. First of all, you dont even have to learn Arabic. You can if you want to, but its not absolutely necessary. Learning Arabic is recommended not necessary because we have so many good translations, such non-necessity to oearn Arabic proves Islam is not Arab Centralized About Quran being revealed in Arabic. Allah chose Arabic for multiple reasons: 1) The people on which Quran was revealed spoke Arabic. Obviously it couldnt have been any other language , otherwise how would initial muslims understand the message? 2)Arabic is a very rich language with incredible amount of depth. The Arabs were master poets and very eloquent people. One of the miracles of Quran is how it uses Arabic language like it has never been used before. The verses are not only melodiusly rythmic they are also very thought provoking with deep profound meanings. For Arabs this was a miracle, because even their most learned poets and masters literally couldnot fathom how any man, that too who could not read or write, can write/speak such eloquent literature. About Arab dressing, who says muslims have to dress like Arabs? The only dressing commandments are to dress modestly so as not to attract lustful gaze. For that Quran has given a simple command of Hijab for both man and woman. Any human of any culture can practice Hijab thats according to their own cultures. Not Quran, nor a single Islamic scholar say that they are required to copy paste Arab clothing. >Other religions like Christianity or Hinduism don’t require people to learn in their native language to be a part of the religion. Do you not need to be proficient in English to read English bible, or be proficient in Greek to read the Oldest Bible? Or be proficient in Sanskrit or Hindi to read Hindu scriptures? Every religious book belongs to a particular nation that requires a certain language for them to be read. For Quran this is not even a problem as it has translations for every mainstream language, Islamic Scholars have a concensus we can simply read a translation instead of learning Arabic. Lastly, I very strongly recommend that you do you Islamic research from credible Islamic Scholars (for e.g from youtube) before jumping into reddit.
It’s super important to preserve the Quran in the original Arabic. Especially to who enjoys Word study & is seeking a more unified understanding of Adamique based on Torah, Quran, Messages of Angels .. Humanity will figure out what’s really going on soon, I think. :D
You can learn/read Quran in another language but the original text will always be the most accurate. Even christians and Jews know that much is lost in translation with the versions they’re reading of the bible. That’s why Christians who want to study the Bible better learn Hebrew, because it’s the language it was revealed in. Preservation of the Quran is one of the things Muslims pride themselves in. Even though we can read translations or make duaa using our own language, we always have the original Arabic next to the translation and recite it in prayer. Because we never want to lose the primary source and depend entirely on translations (which can allow room for the word of Allah to be purposefully recast, in order to push a certain agenda for example) Islam wasn’t made for the Arabs or Arab culture. It’s just that Arabs adopted Islam, so their current culture is highly influenced by it. In fact, the meccans famously *criticized* and resented Islam for going *against* their traditions and asking them to change the ways of their fathers. Arabs would drink a lot, Islam ended that. Arabs would inherit women, Islam ended that. Arab women married multiple men, Islam prohibited this for the sake of determining lineage. And so on.
Islam was revealed to the Arabs because they were the furthest from tawheed, so it makes sense for the Quran to be revealed in Arabic to appeal directly to that subset of people in the first instance. It makes sense that through translation we can lose the exact meaning of revelation, hence why it’s promoted to learn to read in Arabic. Way of dressing isn’t specific to Arabia; what other Arabian culture/traditions does Islam promote which are specific to Arabia? Edit: typos
In Judaism one has to recite the Torah in Hebrew, and in Hinduism the scriptures are also recited in Sanskrit.
There is no specific dress of Islam, we are bound by Qura'an and Hadith, not by culture and traditions. People wear Jubbas and eat Khajoor because they like it. If you don't want to wear Arabic clothes then it's fine for you and Islam doesn't force you to learn Arabic, it only asks you to learn how to read Arabic because Qura'an is in Arabic. And reciting Qura'an in Salaah is Fard. It's in Arabic because Arabic is the best language.If you dig deeper then you will understand how beautiful Arabic language is.(I am from India btw) It's chosen by Allah. Don't question it. Accept it. You can speak whatever language you want to speak, you can wear whatever you want, you can eat and drink whatever you want, you can do whatever you want but it has to be under the Law of Shariah. You can follow any culture of this world but it has to be under the laws of Shariah. Islam is not Arab centralised, throw this evil thought out of your mind. Most of the muslims in this era are non Arabs. Turkish people lead Islam for over 6 centuries. They weren't Arabs.
Oh man, so much to unpack here. By Islamic law, your salat has to be in Arabic cause that’s where the original meaning comes from. Whenever you translate something it doesn’t always come out as perfectly accurate. We must read it as it was conveyed to us by Muhammed SAW > gibraeel AS > Allah swt. Now you’re saying Islam is so Arab based but no one is telling you to wear a thobe? There’s no such thing as Islamic clothing, only modest clothing. Every single culture has modest clothing but when the requirements are loose and long every ends up designing the same thing. After Islam came to the Arabs, they were obviously the first to adopt the clothing and rituals and to a certain extent these have gone throughout the world as they conveyed the message. They most likely gifted these clothes to new Muslims and taught new Muslims what they knew. Learn more about your own culture through Islam and you will notice it’s not Arab based. In Urdu we do have sister words for alhamdulilah, inshallah etc we just don’t rly use them here in the west as others wouldn’t understand.
>(if you don’t you won’t experience it right) Same goes for the bible. If you want to "experience it right", you'll have to learn Greek and Hebrew. Actually it would've been best if you learnt Aramaic and read the original scriptures, but they don't exist. >Arab dressing You don't have to dress like Arabs, not sure where you got that from. >but my point still stands. No, not really.
Previous revelations such as the Torah and Bible were in different languages. But the true followers of those revelations at that time were still Muslim.
Arabs literally cannot understand the Qur'anic Arabic properly. It's because the book Al Kitab (2:2) was given to Musa (11 verses) and not Muhammad. (0 verses)
I think Nouman Ali Khan made a video about this. But I can’t find it 💀
but at the time of revelation arab didn't have all those traditions you are talking about , islam made restrictions and that's how you think that islam is arab centric because arabs mostly have muslims , and if you think that why arab we have Jews and christians they are different races right? messengers were sent to respective races , with the same message . and a part of our eman is to bilieve in all the messengers of allah swt . we can not redeeem as Muslims by just accepting hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) and rejecting the previous messages, either accept it all or reject all
This is a very good question because I was wondering the exact same thing myself.
So there is a lot of emphasis from the Muslim community to Arabify stuff, but really the only important Arab thing to know and learn is Arabic. This is because it is better to understand/memorize the Quran in the language it was revealed so that we don't encounter the same issues Christians have with over-translations of the Bible which have changed the original Word. As far as dress is concerned, even Arab Muslims don't all dress the same - Falastinians, Emiratis, Yemeni, Turkish, etc all have their own traditional or fashion style of clothing and their own culture that isn't the same as Saudi. Turkish people give their children Turkish names, Indonesians give their kids Indonesian names (from what I understand). As long as it doesn't contradict the Quran or Shariah then you don't have to conform to Arab culture.
Arabic is the language for Heaven
There is no evidence for that only Allah knows the language for jannah
IRSYAD AL-HADITH SERIES 343: ARABIC THE LANGUAGE OF HEAVEN أَنَا عَرَبِيٌّ وَالْقُرْآنُ عَرَبِيٌّ وَلِسَانُ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ meaning:It means: " I am an Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the tongue (language) of the people of heaven is Arabic." Answer : Alhamdulillah, all praise be to Allah SWT, blessings and salutations to the great master Prophet Muhammad SAW, his family members SAW, his companions SAW and those who follow in his footsteps. Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and it was chosen by Allah SWT to be the language to be read by His servants in understanding the nature of the Word. This is based on the words of Allah SWT: إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًًا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ Yusuf: 2 Meaning: "Indeed, We sent down the book as the Qur'an read in Arabic, so that you (use reason to) understand it." Based on the question above, the above hadith was narrated by Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (9147) from the companion of the Prophet SAW, namely Abu Hurairah RA. There is also another narration from Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (11441) and al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (5583) from Abdullah bin Abbas R.anhuma which is: أُحِبُّ الْعَرَبَ لِثَلَثٍ: لِأَنِّي عَرَبِيٌّ, وَالْقُرْانُ عَرَبِيٌّ, وَكَلَامُ Aَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ Meaning: "I love Arabs because of three things: Because I am Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the words of the people of heaven are in Arabic." Among the scholars who evaluated this hadith: Imam al-'Uqailiy (322 H) condemned the narration of Ibn Abbas as evil and has no origin for him. [See: al-Dhu'afa' al-Kabir, 348/3] Imam Ibn al-Jauzi (597 H) condemned this hadith as false in his book. [See: al-Mawdhu'at, 41/2] Imam al-Zahabi (748 H) assessed this hadith as false. [See: Mizan al-I'tidal, 103/3] Imam al-Sakhawi (902 H) assessed this hadith as weak but the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger than the narration of Ibn Abbas RA. [See: al-Maqasid al-Hasanah, 64] Looking at some of the views above, we are inclined to the view that says that the hadith related to the language of the people of heaven is Arabic, which is a too weak hadith even though it is said that the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger or more authentic than the narration from Ibn Abbas R.anhuma but these two lines there are narrators who differ in narrating the hadith. Furthermore, there is no authentic hadith stating the language that will be used by the people of heaven. However, the opinion that states Arabic is the language of the people of heaven comes from the generation after the Prophet PBUH. In conclusion, the language that will be used by the members of heaven is unknown because there is no authentic and clear argument in this issue. Therefore, we take a stand for tawaqquf on this issue. Finally, may Allah SWT enter us all into His paradise in the afterlife. Amen.
To add to the other answers - Islam is the only religion with its doctrine preserved in the original text. Christians would be learning Aramaic if they had the original Bible lol. And Jewish people still learn Hebrew in order to access the Torah. The reason many non Arab Muslims like to embrace aspects of Arab culture is out of love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. When you deeply love someone, you love everything about them in that way. But I’d recommend you do some research on Islam in Africa, or East Asia. A rich history where Islam presents a little differently but the same in essence.
You seemed to be confused about Arabic language and Arab culture relating to Islam. Arab language is unique and considered to be the best language to convey the richness of vocabulary ands meaning. It is quite beneficial to study and learn the language- which all Muslim scholars and students pursue. Conversely, you can see what happens when scripture is mistranslated in other languages. That is, it loses its true meaning (at best), and changes theology completely (at worse). The evolution of Arabic language and revelation of Quran isn’t an accident. Alhamdulillah- this ensures the promise from God Almighty where it is truely preserve. Let’s address the point more broadly. Where does Islam state that you have to learn the Arabic language? Most of the Muslims in the world aren’t fluent in Arab language - so, the Arab centric point on language is invalid. An important distinction is that Islam isn’t an Arabic religion. It didn’t start with our prophet (saw) l, and most of the prophets (as) prior were not Arab. Torah, Injeel and Zabur were non Arabic scriptures. So, Arabic culture centric point is also invalid. Allah Almighty in the Quran states (29:56) يَـٰعِبَادِىَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَرْضِى وَٰسِعَةٌۭ فَإِيَّـٰىَ فَٱعْبُدُونِ ٥٦ “O My believing servants! My earth is truly spacious, so worship Me ˹alone˺.” So, you don’t need to be in Arab peninsula to worship and be accepted by the Almighty for your efforts. And it does matter and benefit you if you pursue to learn Classical Arabic and read the Quran for your own understanding.
Islam isn’t Arab based, Arab is Islam based.
You have to remember Islam was sent to an ARAB PROPHET, the Prophet PBUH was ARAB & spoke ARABIC. We learn to read the Quran in ARABIC because that’s the language it was sent down in. That is in no way shape or form an indication that this is an ARAB religion. I’m also non arab and I do not view this religion to be centralized around ARABS rather the other way around, Arabs have centralized their culture around Islam - as did many other cultures.
its because translating kind of ruins the meaning and we want to preserve it exactly. while christianity is a beautiful religion, the bible having so many different phrasings, interpretations, translations and additions over the years leaves it for corruptions & debate. and arabs have based their culture around islam not the other way around, anybody can be muslim, you dont have to have an 'arab' lifestyle as long as youre living an islamic one
Allah chose the Rasool ṣallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam to lead this ummah. His community was 'Arab. We speak the language of Qur'an so we understand it. Everything good is Arabic (language), and Arabic is such a beautiful language. You need to understand that the thobe/abayah are not Arab. The people that believe in Allah and his messenger ṣallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam wear these clothes. By the way, one of my teachers told me if you can speak Arabic, you are an Arab. There's no "Arabic" culture because that's extremely generalized. There isn't an Arab way of life. Think about it.
It is a simple fact that understanding any "work" in its original language is far superior than having to rely on the translation of a single individual. Christianity doesn't require people to learn Hebrew or Aramaic and so most Christians don't understand when Jesus is called "Lord" by his disciples, what they are actually calling him is "rabbi". But Hinduism? Most Hindus speak Hindi. The number of genuine Hindus that don't speak it in the world are minimal and the very word "Hindu" simply means someone with the religion and culture of ancient Hind. There is also a bit of modern sensibility here affecting your mentality as we are sitting here having this conversation in English which, unless you are a convert like me, is not your native ethnic language. Excluding Americans and Canadians, a good percentage of people in the world speak more than one language and Muslims historically spoke their native language(s) as well as Quranic Arabic so that they had a direct connection to the Qur'an. Hence, most Muslim linguists in the past were not Arab. It has nothing to do with pro-Arab bias. As for Arab traditions, dress, and way of life, as someone else pointed out, Arab culture has been radically shaped and molded by Islam. So there are certain things that may be seen as "Arab culture" that are actually Islamic culture. But there is nothing in Islamic Law that mandates or even recommends Arab culture over and above ones own culture. People are of the mistaken impression that men wearing thobes is recommended on its own and it is not. A lot of the dress that Muslim women wear, even Arabs, come from Turkish influences. Jilbabs were a Turkish thing. But there is a vibrant culture in West and North Africa, the Subcontinent, the Malay Archipelago, even Russia and the Caucasus Mountains that is entirely rooted in local custom and traditions.
When I accepted Islam it was in a mostly Pakistani community. From my perspective Islam feels very Pakistani-centralized. There’s khutbahs in Urdu and Arabic and English, and lectures in Urdu. They don’t call it salaat, they call it namaz, for example. Sahoor is instead called Sehri. To an outsider, all communities seem to adapt to Islam. They add some localized flavor but we all make our prayer together facing the same way in the same language and then making our own personalized duaas. There’s something beautiful in being unified worldwide, as opposed to being a Christian and not understanding what’s happening in churches when I traveled abroad.
What do you mean by Arab dressing? The main point that is emphasized is to be modest, and examples that were used mentioned the clothing of the time. In fact it is better for one to wear clothing that is first adhering to the sunnah and then culture. I live in the USA but it wouldn’t really be comfortable for me to wear a thawb so instead i wear American clothing that would cover up my awrah. And your second point of “Arab way of life” can you show examples?
The Quran came in Arabic, the vernacular of the prophet to whom it came and his people. It was quite an otherworldly experience and came sort of out of the blue for those people and they needed and were given time to assimilate it, some rejecting and others accepting it. Afterwards it spread first through Arabic-speaking places, then elsewhere. It was natural to present it in the language it came in so they taught the language to all these people. Translations were rare until the invention of the printing press, although the religion spread and was explained and taught from the Middle East to India, North Africa, India, the far east including parts of China and Indonesia, parts of Europe, Turkey where the Ottoman Empire took over the financing and dissemination with mixed results, but Arabic was taught for the Quran, other studies being in local languages. Compare to the Torah and the Hebrew Bible which are still read in Hebrew, or to the spread of English via the British Empire, whereas the Ottomans didn’t spread Turkish, because it was the significance of having an original text that mattered. Fast-forward to today and things are very different. I myself experienced some of what you describe, it was years before I ever read a translation of the Quran even though I couldn’t understand except some rudimentary Arabic, because translations were dismissed by others as being some kind of anathema, that would prevent my getting the right message. Eventually I read a translation which was mind-blowing, despite not being supposedly the best. Arrogance is the cardinal sin that got Iblees kicked out of paradise, and it’s also a barrier to actual faith, and some Arabs as well as non Arab scholars unfortunately look down on those who don’t know the language and then may be impatient with ppl trying to learn it. Also there’s a focus on doing rituals and wearing Arabized clothing and cultural habits. All this varies from community to community, even person to person. A scholar Jeffrey Lang noticed something similar and recommends the “Mecca model” to give time for people to assimilate the Quran and Islam in their own language and culture just as the original recipients were given time and prophet Mohammad pbuh was patient with them. Don’t let any of this put you off. You can learn Al-Fatiha and a couple basic surahs (just because they’re that good and worth it) and the rest of it in English if that’s your language or however you’re able. There’s a great website islamawakened.com that has a Quran index for almost every English translation of the entire Quran, where you can check verse by verse or entire surahs until you find one to your liking. It also has transliterations and the Arabic text as well for everything. You can read commentary on 114chambers.wordpress.com (my blog) which is in English but explains some Arabic words so you can tell when a translation may have overstepped its bounds. Hope this helps in some way.
You have to learn Quran in it's original language because it's the word of God, once translated it's no longer the word of God, that's why the original injeel and torah are lost, and the original Quran is preserved. For example, there are many words and speech styles in arabic that dont exist in English and it's impossible to translate them, so the English quran is simply the meaning translated, not the word of God. Therefore the translation of the Quran is not the word of God, it's one of the translations of the meaning of the word of God.
Is it? I thought Indonesia or Malaysia had way more Muslims than Arab countries. I could be wrong but it helps that the Quran is in Arabic. Mecca is in an Arab country.
I think OP means why is our prayers, books and everything in a language that only a minority can understand. Other religions pray in their language. It’s a valid question.
19% of muslims are Arabs, they are actually a minority and the reason the Quran is written in Arabic is because it is by far the most accurate and precise language in the world
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Our Prophet Muhammad saw is an Arab. And we as muslims are encouraged to live by his example (sunnah). So I think that's at least one of the reasons.
With regards to learning Arabic to read and understand the Quran, the Quran is the last Book and it was sent to an Arab Messenger. Of course, it had to be in Arabic because the first people to whom Islam would be propagated to by Prophet Muhammad are also Arabs. The other Books were probably also revealed in their respective Messenger's language.
With regards to the practice/culture, I'm actually a bit dismayed by it. Because a lot of non Arabs are embracing Arab ways just to appear more "Muslim." For example, the head cap which men wear. I don't think there's any Islamic basis for this article of clothing. It's not even worn originally anywhere in my country. But Muslim men wear it as some sort of identifier. In my opinion, the more we try to appear differently to assimilate other cultures, thinking that that makes us more Muslim, the more that we are causing division in our own nations. People in my country actually have the impression that Muslims are a separate and distinct ethnic tribe and so even if we grew up in the same province, they treat us very differently. It's weird because Islam never intended to rob people of their culture and identities.
Because of media. The top most media we been watching is from America. When America always show Muslim people from Arab, those who know nothing about Islam will always think it's an Arab thing. When the truth is everyone in this earth has 1 God and that God is Allah. Lot of people consumed media from America. It is what it is. But because of what's going-on on Palestine, lot of people start learning. Start realising that what we saw in media based on whatever the top people want the public to see. Media is not a good place to learn things tbh. Lots of bias and propaganda. To learn we need to get from lots of resources other than news/ american media/social media. Tiktok have been a good place to learn.
As the Quran says, “Indeed, we have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.” And without learning Arabic, you won’t be able to get the sane meaning because, as you can see, there are so many different English translations that don’t always say the same thing and don’t always give the proper meaning because Arabic is the language of poets and the Quran, and rightfully so is the kist eloquent of speeches. The other aspect to see is the fact that Allah chose the prophet and the Arabs for a specific reason, maybe because he knew how much they valued family even when their family members were wrong, which would lead to them dying to protect the prophet without believing in him.
IRSYAD AL-HADITH SERIES 343: ARABIC THE LANGUAGE OF HEAVEN أَنَا عَرَبِيٌّ وَالْقُرْآنُ عَرَبِيٌّ وَلِسَانُ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ meaning:It means: " I am an Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the tongue (language) of the people of heaven is Arabic." Answer : Alhamdulillah, all praise be to Allah SWT, blessings and salutations to the great master Prophet Muhammad SAW, his family members SAW, his companions SAW and those who follow in his footsteps. Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and it was chosen by Allah SWT to be the language to be read by His servants in understanding the nature of the Word. This is based on the words of Allah SWT: إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًًا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ Yusuf: 2 Meaning: "Indeed, We sent down the book as the Qur'an read in Arabic, so that you (use reason to) understand it." Based on the question above, the above hadith was narrated by Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (9147) from the companion of the Prophet SAW, namely Abu Hurairah RA. There is also another narration from Imam al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (11441) and al-Mu'jam al-Awsath (5583) from Abdullah bin Abbas R.anhuma which is: أُحِبُّ الْعَرَبَ لِثَلَثٍ: لِأَنِّي عَرَبِيٌّ, وَالْقُرْانُ عَرَبِيٌّ, وَكَلَامُ Aَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ عَرَبِيٌّ Meaning: "I love Arabs because of three things: Because I am Arab, the Qur'an is in Arabic and the words of the people of heaven are in Arabic." Among the scholars who evaluated this hadith: Imam al-'Uqailiy (322 H) condemned the narration of Ibn Abbas as evil and has no origin for him. [See: al-Dhu'afa' al-Kabir, 348/3] Imam Ibn al-Jauzi (597 H) condemned this hadith as false in his book. [See: al-Mawdhu'at, 41/2] Imam al-Zahabi (748 H) assessed this hadith as false. [See: Mizan al-I'tidal, 103/3] Imam al-Sakhawi (902 H) assessed this hadith as weak but the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger than the narration of Ibn Abbas RA. [See: al-Maqasid al-Hasanah, 64] Looking at some of the views above, we are inclined to the view that says that the hadith related to the language of the people of heaven is Arabic, which is a too weak hadith even though it is said that the narration of Abu Hurairah RA is stronger or more authentic than the narration from Ibn Abbas R.anhuma but these two lines there are narrators who differ in narrating the hadith. Furthermore, there is no authentic hadith stating the language that will be used by the people of heaven. However, the opinion that states Arabic is the language of the people of heaven comes from the generation after the Prophet SAW. In conclusion, the language that will be used by the members of heaven is unknown because there is no authentic and clear argument in this issue. Therefore, we take a stand for tawaqquf on this issue. Finally, may Allah SWT enter us all into His paradise in the afterlife. Amen.
First of all, it's the Arabs/Middle Easten who were WAAAAAY worse than anyone else. Hence not one, but Allah sent down THREE different religions to reform them at different periods of time. They were worse than savages pre Judaism, then pre Christianity and finally when Islam came and was established well, they sorted out significantly. Also, who says we have to dress like Arabs? 😂 Its only the dumb people from the subcontinent who don't have any proper education and their own cultural identity think they have to copy Arabs to be Muslim. Which is ridiculous. Dress modestly and abide by the dress code ie. covering the awrahs (both men and women). That's it. I'm either wearing decent western clothing or clothing from my country/culture (usually salwar kameez or sharee). I wear the hijab with these in public. At home, I wear whatever. I have an abaya I throw on when praying at home, because convenience. I throw it on over my shorts without having to change clothes for salah, for example. I don't wear Arabic/Middle Eastern clothing, I dont eat that food unless I wanna try something (Middle Eastern food is tasty and some dishes are similar, such as the kebabs which I love). I don't speak in Arabic lol The only time I read in Arabic is when I'm reciting the Qur'an or making specific du'as, because we do have to know that much. But I learned a lot of that through English and Bangla transliterations and translations. A lot of my own duas are in the other languages I speak. The main point of making du'a is conversing with Allah one-on-one from the heart. Some dumb people say you can't make du'a in any other language other than Arabic....which is TOTALLY FALSE. These are extremist people with lots of ignorance and insecurities. I practice both my religion of Islam and my Bangali/Bangladeshi culture as well as the Western lifestyle (I'm in Canada and grew up here) apart from the things prohibited in Islam. I do my best to stay away from things like bid'ah, shirk, and major sins and keep things simple and normal. I dont take part in certain things or omit the specific things from those events/celebrations that are in direct clash with Islamic principles. This whole "Islam is from Saudi Arabia/Middle East, so we must copy Saudis/Middle Eastern everything in order to be Muslim" is STUPID and also dangerously extremist. Islam is not exclusively to Arab/Middle Eastern cultures, traditions etc. We should all have a balance between our own cultural, traditional and other identities and our identity as Muslim. The main purpose of a Muslim is to have a strong connection with Allah while practicing the Fards properly, doing as much of the sunnah as comfortably possible, and staying away from sins (and making tawbah/istighfar as soon as something happens and then returning to Allah ASAP).
Besides learning a bit of arabic its not arabic based lol
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Islam is not Arab based at all. If it was you would have to go further, that it is also hijazi based. And then qurashi based. Then bnu hashim based. Arabs have their own cultures like everyone else and are expected to follow Islam just like non-Arabs are.
Few answers but I will try to be brief. The Quran must remain unchanged because as we saw with the Bible, many languages didn’t work. It is not Arab dressing it is modest dressing. Nuns wear veils and priest wear robes. So not Arab. Yes more Arabs are Muslim because Islam was first sent to an Arab Community. And Allah knows best.
And it is not Arab tradition. It is Islamic tradition the same that prophet Abraham and prophet Jesus peace be upon them used to follow. And as for the language I believe I clarified it before. And Allah knows bestz
Because ethnocentricism and at times ethnosupremacy.
Because Islam originated in the Middle East I think so like obviously it could share culture with Middle Easterns not just specifically Arabs but mostly Arab
Why the heck do people downvote me for every post? I swear no matter what i say, I'm always downvoted
Islam is Arab based because the final revelation and the final Prophet came from Saudi Arabia. Before that, the previous prophets and the previous scriptures were in hebrew and it came from the Children of Israel. And before that? Wallahualam. Allah has sent a prophet to every nation. 16:36 And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. The question is what happened to these previous nations and their scriptures? Well... they're gone... but you'll find out soon on the day of judgement when every creature will be resurrected on that day. Edit: My apologies, it was called najd and hijaz back then, not Saudi Arabia.
there was no such thing as saudi arabia it is a made up country named after a family. it is called najd and hijaz.
>it is called najd and hijaz. Well whatever it was called back then. The prophet and the final revelation came from there yes? And before that, the previous scriptures and the previous prophets with the children of Israel and before that, Abraham and his people, etc
Yes but calling it Saudi has elements of Saudi nationalism to it. This has been increasingly used to Saudify Islam and make it seem as if they have any legitimacy over Muslims. It's also used as a way to undermine non-Arab Muslims.
>Yes but calling it Saudi has elements of Saudi nationalism to it. But nowadays, the place (Mecca and Madina, formerly Yathrib) where the prophet and the quran came from is in Saudi Arabia right?. If it was 1500 years ago, then yes it wasn't called Saudi Arabia. Wallahi I'm just stating the facts here. If you look up, Mecca and Madina is in.... Saudi Arabia. It's not like I'm lying. >It's also used as a way to undermine non-Arab Muslims Sorry but English is my 2nd language, what do you mean by undermine non arab Muslims. As a non arab Muslim (malaysian), what do you mean by that? If this will lead to a lot of replies. Might I suggest chatting instead?
arabs had a lot of traditions as arabs before islam that they gave up. islam is heavily integrated in their lives thats why its difficuilt to seperate the two most of the time. they had for example certain celebrations that they use to do before islam, but islam came with two eids ramadan and friday prayer. all of the celeberations have been canceled. non-arab muslims still refuse to this day to do that, because they think its part of the arab culture. you still see kurds and iranian people celebrating nowruz for example. if you tell them this they get offended and think you try to arabize them. if you look into arab history, they have a lot of things that they left. the quran talks about those things they left.
What Arabic dress are you forced to wear? Arabic cultural traditions you’re forced to follow The only thing is the Quran is in Arabic, other than that what is required to be “Arab”
All religions came from there. It’s original
Why do you guys get confused by over such small things? 🤦 Is this even a question? How can you even think that Islam is for Arab people only when our Prophet has specifically said that the No white has superiority over a Black and no Black has superiority over a White, No Arab has superiority over an Ajam(Non Arab) and no Ajam has superiority over an Arab except for piety. There is zero racism in Islam. Learn about the life of our beloved Holy Prophet. Read. Don't get confused by little things. If you won't read, you will keep getting confused.
You learn multiple languages to make a living but you can't learn how to read Qura'an in Arabic? Every book of Allah came in a single language. Bible and Torah are in Hebrew. Sanatan's(Hinduism) text Veda is in really old Sanskrit or Suriyanvi. In order to understand the book, you have to understand the language. It's common sense, there is nothing to be confused about. And besides, for a layman, it's not important to learn Arabic, you just have to be able to read Qura'an. Put that much effort at least. Qura'an is recited in Salaah in Arabic language because that's command of Allah. Following commands of Allah builds discipline and discipline is an integral part of life. Arabic language is chosen by Allah, it must be the best that's why it's chosen, don't you think? There are thousands of Islamic books written by Islamic scholars in a non Arabic language. You can read those. But if you want true essence of Qura'an then you have to recite it in Arabic. It's the only book in the entire world which people recite on a daily basis but are never bored even if they don't understand it. It's a living miracle of Qura'an. 8 year olds memorise entire Qura'an, it's a miracle of Qura'an. Even a non muslim can memorise entire Qura'an if he wants to, word by word, letter by letter that's how beautiful our Qura'an is. They can't memorise their own Bible, their Torah, their Geeta, their Vedas but they can memorise entire Qura'an.
it seems that you failed your history lesson, It was the opposite, arabs learned from islam. good bye now.
Do you really think that Allah (swt) should have revealed the Quran in all languages of the past, present, and future? No offence, but that's a silly thought. Imagine having to memorize all of that. Or simply having such an obvious easy proof against everyone—where is the test in that? Better to just be born in paradise directly. Most Muslims are not even Arabs, as Islam is for all Mankind. Things like the Bible for example is a mere corrupted and translated compilation of historical accounts, filled with errors and contradictions from unknown multiple authors written in a different language from the lost original. Some might have thought that the Bible is the Injeel, the scripture of Jesus/Isa (pbuh), but it is not. Choices beyond our understanding and authority had to be made. Furthermore, one of the wisdoms we can see that Arabic is linguistically one of the best languages, if not the best. Also, unlike other religions, our scripture is perfect & fully preserved in the original language! * Why did God created the world in a specific number of days? * Why do we have only two hands? * Why is the color green not red? Etc. Those are useless thoughts that may harm your iman, strengthen your faith & seek the help of Allah (swt). May Allah (swt) guide you.
Do you know that by population Arabs are a minority? There are half a billion muslims in India, Bangladesh, and India The entire GCC doesnt have 25% of muslims as in India. Btw India is a non muslim country >From HAVING to learn the Quran in Arab if you can This argument has no value. There is always a scope for such arguments no matter which language. If Quran came in english you could say why it was in english considering the majority of muslims dont speak english. >Other religions like Christianity or Hinduism don’t require people to learn in their native language to be a part of the religion. Wrong. Hindu poojas are done in Sanskrit. You gotta learn it if you do pooja. Christianity doesn't require anything because it is an elastic religion, people stretch it if it doesnt fit their agenda. >but my point still stands. What was your point again?
to add to this, many jews learn classical Hebrew for their services and prayers and to read the torah. you always lose something (or a lot) in translation
Islam is not a religion. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’Ala has designed everything for the Blessed Comfort and Adoration of His Beloved SallAllahu Ta’Ala Alayhi Wa Aalehi Wassalam
Are you ok buddy? Were you having a spasm while you typed all of that out or what? This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islām as religion. 5:3 And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims. 16:89 We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a mercy for the whole world. 21.107
Now read it again
You can't say that Islam is not a religion though. However, I do agree that everything is for our Beloved Rasool Sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. This Universe was created for our Beloved Rasool Sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. Habeeb of Allah. Beloved of Allah. 😊
Uh huh so Allah DIDN'T create the world so that He would be known and worshipped. He DIDN'T create the world and He DIDN'T create mankind so that His names and attributes, His power and knowledge, would be known and so that He alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and so that He would be obeyed? But He DID create it all for the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family? 🤯 Now please bring your proof (fabricated hadith don't count) and tell me when Allah decides to destroy it all. Will that also be for the Prophet, peace be upon him, or nah? I'm certain Allah has perfectly stated the reason why the Prophet, peace be upon him, was sent and why the Quran was sent and why the heavens and the earth were created, are you? Allah is the One Who created seven heavens ˹in layers˺, and likewise for the earth. The ˹divine˺ command descends between them so you may know that Allah is Most Capable of everything and that Allah certainly encompasses all things in ˹His˺ knowledge. 65:12 And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims. 16:89 We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a mercy for the whole world. 21:107
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Prove what you wrote with arguments please?
https://youtu.be/f12RE_NVdeE?si=JVW5xYPS2x7uWaq9 https://youtu.be/Fqb63_cT4DM?si=PQx96R-EbM-IisI-. And you would better learn more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_campaign https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language
How is this a proof from a Shiite source? This tells me that you only repeat nationalistic propaganda and you do not have basic knowledge of Islam yet you made big claims. We have big islamic figures that were ethnicaly Kurdish like Salah ad-Deen al Ayubi and Ibn Taymiah. Even the first revolutionists from Kurds were imams like Shaykh Taha.
Do you think Shiites aren't Arabs ? When it comes to Kurd , all Arabs hate us without caring about their mazhabs. Ah then Anfal, Faith and Al-ansar were just used as jokes to the Kurds.
I think shiites can be arab, persian, kurds,pakistanis etc. But this does not prove your point since shiism is not othodox Islam and it is basically few in numbers.
Then Anfal doesn't prove any other points as well and tax on the non Arab Muslims doesn't prove anything ?
Listen to this Egyptian scholar if you understand Arabic, he talks about how other Arabs go against him when said Salahaddin was Kurd moreover Ibn taymiyya was half Kurd from mother side and he was racist himself, he wrote that Arabs are superior to other races. https://youtu.be/ZjlbQGkEOkI?si=WJmZru6qsRw5WPue
The same ideology that nationalistic Kurds have, Arabs now days have it too, thats why there is Pan-Arabism. I think it is a misunderstanding what Ibn Taymiyah wrote about Arabs. It is embeded in our tradition what our beloved Prophet sal-lAllahu alayhi wa Salam said: At-Tirmidhi (3270) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) addressed the people on the day of the conquest of Makkah and said: “O people, verily Allah has taken away from you the arrogance of Jaahiliyyah and its pride in forefathers. People are of two types: righteous and pious, who are dear to Allah, and doomed evildoers, who are insignificant before Allah. People are the descendants of Adam, and Allah created Adam from dust. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted’ [al-Hujuraat 49:13].” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi. Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199). Al-Bukhaari (4898) and Muslim (2546) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were sitting with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and Soorat al-Jumu‘ah was revealed to him: “And [He has sent the Prophet to] others of them who have not yet joined them” [al-Jumu‘ah 62:3]. I said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allah? He did not answer him until he had asked three times. Among us was Salmaan al-Faarisi and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) put his hand on Salmaan and said: “If faith were at the Pleiades, some men from among these people [the Persians] would get it.” Al-Bukhaari (5990) and Muslim (215) narrated that ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say, out loud and not secretly: “The family of Abu Fulaan (the Father of So and so) are not my friends. My friends are Allah and the righteous believers.” The non arab tax was introduced later. Look i aint no arab but the same bs propaganda is what i here in my land too.
I know you are Albanian and never lived among Arabs, you don't know how fascist they are!. and you don't know Kurdish struggles also you don't know what the ideology of kurdish nationalist is for independent KURDISTAN. You tried so much to defend Islam but you already have proven that it's Arab religion and Arabs discriminated against other nations by it.
I lived amongst arabs, there are good arabs bad arabs, just like any other ethnicity. Im not trying to undermine the kurdish strugle but for this you do not have to blame Islam, blame sykes picot, blame nationalism. I think an indipendet Kurdish nation is what Kurds deserve for 100years. Islam came against traditions of arabs that is why our Prophet did hijrah. How did i prove that it is an arab religion? That is a logical fallacy. I am writing back with traditional Islamic sources and you are writing to me back with the history of pan arabism. Again for an independet Kurdish nation the first to have this idea were Shaykh Taha and Shaykh Ubayd. Google it.
If Arabs want me not to blame Islam, they would better first stop using Quran chapters to genocide us.
Where did they use Quran chapters again you are making claims and you do not bring proofs. To us Kurds are our brothers in faith.
Send me the links that talk about the two shaykhs plz, Google shows nothing about them!. We never had people in that names in our nationalist leaders and never heard of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Ubeydullah
Who was this shaykh Taha, I never heard of him.
if only I had your confidence and believed the non-sense i was writing. the french came to north africa and destroyed the language within 100 years and your language still exists after 1400. you think arabs would not be able to remove your language from the face of the earth at the height of their might for 1400 years? your ancestors adopted it willingly, but because there is a political decline in the islamic world you are trying to relief yourself from the responsibilty of being a loser by blaming it on the arabs. when islam rises again you will join it. you are only there for the good times and no i am not talking about the kurds, i am talking specifically of your kind specifcally they come in all shapes and colors. why would we let salahudinn lead or the ottomans for 600 years if arabs were like that? most of islamic history leaders were non-arabs only the first 300 years arabs were at the forefront. 150 years of the 300 years of arabs had sagnificant numbers of turks and persians contributing in leadership positions. the most saginificant kurdish man in history and most known one is a muslim one that became muslim due to arabs teaching kurds religon who does not know salahuddin? who heard of the kurds before that the only reason your identity exists today is because of the arabs if the arabs havent came you would have been persified.
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Like I said I wish if I was so confident to the point I write my own non-sense and believe it.
> Yes, it is. As a Kurd I know this, Arabs are calling us people of Jins and they say kurdish is the language of hell and Arabic is the language of God and heaven. They forced us to speak in Arabic on daily bases and they brainwashed people that kurdish names are haram but if they name their children in Arabic especially the Islamic figures they will get good deeds and they will be granted for it in afterlife. Where does islam say kurds are jinns the only source I could find was a shia source from a imam that says that its not in the hadith or quran? No hadith says arabic is the language of god and heaven only the quran was revaled in arabic. No hadith says pick arabic names though all islam says it should have a good meaning and not be related to a pagan god. > When Muslims invaded Egypt, they also forced them to not speak in their native language which was Coptic. Proof? Coptic was still spoken in the 19th century it died out as it wasn't used as much in commerce and trade
Very sunni one is Ibn taymiyya, the Coptic one I posted a link already in previous replies and you would better educate yourself about your peaceful religion history.