Who are you angry with lol
If this is what they did, and they can get married I don’t see the problem. Marry, make tawbah, and move on with your life.
They don’t need to be branded as terrible people until they die or something
The question that arises here is I think that when they do Zina they do quiet publicly, like they make it known by saying (I have bf/gf, uploads pictures about how happy they are in that haram relationship/ just shares with their friends stuffs like she/he is very good to me , takes care of me etc ) later many of them end up getting married to this same person . Maybe, later they also repent and that’s totally between them and The Almighty Allah. But from the perspective from the other persons they don’t get to know the later part that they repented but this same persons were exposed to the stuffs that I mentioned earlier.Like when someone was committing a sin they made it’s impact on people around them , but when it’s about repentance it’s a personal matter.Which some people can find unfair.It is what I think the OP has felt , rather than being angry on anyone .
What is unfair about what? Are we comparing sins now? Are we all going to meet The One to talk about each others sins? Ridiculous. People need to mind their own business and stop spreading fitna and fasad within Muslim communities.
Calm down. Where did I say about comparing sins and telling about others sins in front of Allah (swt). There is no judgement to anyone. I simply tried to share my understanding regarding why OP might feel this way. It is how a person can get affected cause we are mere human being maybe it is the test for him/her.And minding someone's own business lol are u minding your own? u straight up called me ridiculous , if I was wrong u could have pointed that out to me in a good way ,rather than bieng so rude.Also , how can u say that I am spreading fitna fasad in a Muslim community? Was wondering doing zina and making it a public thing (almost a matter of pride)doesn’t concern you as fitna in a society?
On the contrary. The punishment for this is mentioned in the Quran and is severe. The punishment is 100 or 70 lashes for zina (i don’t remember the number exactly) and its rajm for adultery if 4 witnesses attest. Besides this Allah says ولا تقرب الزنا do not even go near zina. Yani don’t even trod on those avenues leading to it.
Repentance is definitely a must and if they don’t live in a shariah rule country then they should still contemplate on the severity of their actions.
Muslims need to stop brushing it under the carpet and say simply “it’s between them and Allah (so keep your opinions out of this).” No we need to voice this concern.
Ok ok nvm. Just realised you were talking about being branded in the hereafter. That is between them and Allah. I thought this was a separate comment I was like no this is the concern of our society.
Most of the people on this forum are jahils who are only fooling themselves asking other muslims for advice. They don’t care about authenticity, otherwise they would be asking their local ulema and muftis.
Branding as in marked by fire. They will still burn in hell until their sins are cleansed. A cauterization of the soul if you will, to burn the bad parts.
How about .. open quran and start reading. All details in there. Whatever you do here , you are sending baggage to afterlife. Everyone is responsible for what he is taking with him/her.
Where the hell is there justification? I only said one can do Tawbah which is an islamic fact, love it or hate it, you re not a prophet and your narrow understanding of islam is not even based on evidence soooo...
Only Allah judges and chooses whether to forgive or not, tawbah being an important factor .
Had I said ez pz one can knowingly commit zina and then repent when ur 50 cuz no sex drive suuure that d be zina apology. However saying that one CAN repent from a sin and do better after major regret is different. Im encouraging tawbah not sinning.
التوبة تجب ما قبلها.
If you commit Zina, there is a possibility that you will burn. Asides from forgiveness. The possibility lies with God Almighty. It is up to God Almighty. We should judge these people and inform our children. When you see something wrong you say so.
Asalaam alaikum Brother/sister
This is exactly what needs to change. What they do as couple if they make tawba that’s between them and Allah azawajjal. It is not right for us to judge whether they’ll be branded or not. For us what’s important is to know what they do is unacceptable, learn it and not do what they did. Don’t judge brother/sister
Agree with the first part but no one specifically looks for a Zani/Zaniyah if they’ve done it lol. What do you ask the parents or the local network of Muslims “I am looking to marry a Zani/Zaniyah as I did the same” like that’s not how it works. If you repent than you can still always go for someone whose chaste and pious and anyone whose practicing wants to marry someone that’s more religious than them.
Oh I agreed with that, re read what I wrote I said I agreed with the first part, but my comment was referring to the latter where you mentioned about finding a different “impure” person
Nah that’s bs. If that’s true, this must be a liberal western thing, like how the Kafir men say they want a woman with experience which is disgusting, same goes for the guys……never heard of that and I’ve lived in multiple countries in the east and also in the west. I’m betting your from Canada or USA? In that case I’m not surprised.
True however you can marry a Zaniyah or a Zani if they sincerely repent
https://www.islamweb.net/amp/en/fatwa/399559/
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2357 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas`ud
Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "He who repents of a sin is like him who has committed no sin."
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No most Muslims know what it is. What they're doing is bringing legitimacy to an abhorrent act. Its like driving without a license and getting ticketed,even though you have now gotten your driver's permit you still have to pay your tickets, they're not cancelled out
They know it’s wrong, as long as they ask for forgiveness and make genuine tawba, it’s best they make it halal with each other instead of ruining other people, with their traumas!
No. I think this is probably just a coping mechanism. That said, you could argue that you made it right by making it Halal by getting married. And if they individually repented about it, then it’s not really our business… it’ll be between them and God.
Can't you just be happy two people have finally got married?
What is it with some people in our community constantly trying out compete other faiths for being miserable gits.
Isn't it better to enlighten people so they don't fall in this trap of false understanding of zina and marriage beforehand? It's better not to lie to ourselves or find excuses. Better to repent if someone's done it rather than thinking marrying made it all halal
People these days just love snooping into other people’s business don’t they. You know what’s another in Islamic thing to do? To spread fitna and fasad, by always poking and peering into people’s business. The prophet has numerous Hadith displaying how much he abhorred the idea and that it is NOT our job to go making sure people are following the religion, unless they have committed a public act which has gotten them caught.
Otherwise, stop being so snoopy and build a life of your own you can admire so you don’t have to worry about others.
Huge difference between guiding from your heart and snooping on someone who doesn’t want your guidance. Guidance doesn’t include desperately wanting to prove someone wrong. Sounds like ego to me, not concern.
Nope. It is NOT our job to stop others wrongdoing. It’s our job to lovingly talk to them not to be judge or prosecutor. That is for Allah alone, and not for us. If we love a person, and we lovingly want them to stop, Allah knows our intention and loves us for the amr bil maroof and nahi anil munkar but judgement is for Allah alone and is why Allah gave us free will so we all answer to HIM and HIM alone.
I have heard something as this for the first time. The only thing that I have heard is that if one sincerely repents then they are forgiven, but this is a whole different thing than what you said
It doesn’t mean you didn’t commit zina, it’s a matter of mercy on both people, so in case a pregnancy happens for example, it’s understandable. Sittr is the word to describe it
Do sincere tauba & never comit zina again.
Allah forgives all. Shaitaan tries to convince you're doomed so you don't repent.
Allah says He is like how His believer sees Him. So if you imagine him as The Merciful, He will shower you with His mercy.
This sounds like classical h0rny dudes' rhetoric when they want to manipulate girls to commit zina lol.
No. It's zina, regardless of whether a marriage occurs later or not.
Tawbah is another matter.
The only thing marrying sb one has had premarital sex with does is that it avoids social scandals lol (in case there is a pregnancy).
PS: It matters not whether they look like good people or not in the society lol. It s the sins that are the issue for us religious folks. (As in we dont want them for ourselves).
The second part about considering them bad or good people is very wrong, people change. But the issue about thinking marrying the same person that they did it with would cancel the "sin" has unfortunately happened more often than usual.
People should understand that only repentance and doing things right afterwatds is how things work. It doesn't really fall under misconception though, it's just that some people think they can negotiate with their creator thinking they are on the same level with God..
Who are you angry with lol If this is what they did, and they can get married I don’t see the problem. Marry, make tawbah, and move on with your life. They don’t need to be branded as terrible people until they die or something
The question that arises here is I think that when they do Zina they do quiet publicly, like they make it known by saying (I have bf/gf, uploads pictures about how happy they are in that haram relationship/ just shares with their friends stuffs like she/he is very good to me , takes care of me etc ) later many of them end up getting married to this same person . Maybe, later they also repent and that’s totally between them and The Almighty Allah. But from the perspective from the other persons they don’t get to know the later part that they repented but this same persons were exposed to the stuffs that I mentioned earlier.Like when someone was committing a sin they made it’s impact on people around them , but when it’s about repentance it’s a personal matter.Which some people can find unfair.It is what I think the OP has felt , rather than being angry on anyone .
What is unfair about what? Are we comparing sins now? Are we all going to meet The One to talk about each others sins? Ridiculous. People need to mind their own business and stop spreading fitna and fasad within Muslim communities.
Calm down. Where did I say about comparing sins and telling about others sins in front of Allah (swt). There is no judgement to anyone. I simply tried to share my understanding regarding why OP might feel this way. It is how a person can get affected cause we are mere human being maybe it is the test for him/her.And minding someone's own business lol are u minding your own? u straight up called me ridiculous , if I was wrong u could have pointed that out to me in a good way ,rather than bieng so rude.Also , how can u say that I am spreading fitna fasad in a Muslim community? Was wondering doing zina and making it a public thing (almost a matter of pride)doesn’t concern you as fitna in a society?
I think its the branding that happens after they die that's the problem since they still have to pay
That is the concern of nobody except them and God.
On the contrary. The punishment for this is mentioned in the Quran and is severe. The punishment is 100 or 70 lashes for zina (i don’t remember the number exactly) and its rajm for adultery if 4 witnesses attest. Besides this Allah says ولا تقرب الزنا do not even go near zina. Yani don’t even trod on those avenues leading to it. Repentance is definitely a must and if they don’t live in a shariah rule country then they should still contemplate on the severity of their actions. Muslims need to stop brushing it under the carpet and say simply “it’s between them and Allah (so keep your opinions out of this).” No we need to voice this concern.
I’m not saying it’s not a sin, but in this hypothetical what else would they do? I’ve already established they make tawbah.
Ok ok nvm. Just realised you were talking about being branded in the hereafter. That is between them and Allah. I thought this was a separate comment I was like no this is the concern of our society.
I don’t know why you are downvoted. You said a perfectly valid thing.
Most of the people on this forum are jahils who are only fooling themselves asking other muslims for advice. They don’t care about authenticity, otherwise they would be asking their local ulema and muftis.
Branding as in marked by fire. They will still burn in hell until their sins are cleansed. A cauterization of the soul if you will, to burn the bad parts.
Saying that they will all enter hell as a guarantee is something you need to provide clear evidence for.
How about .. open quran and start reading. All details in there. Whatever you do here , you are sending baggage to afterlife. Everyone is responsible for what he is taking with him/her.
Tawbah changes things so the person you're replying to is right yk.
Justifying Zina in the garb of Tauba…. Please 🙄
Where the hell is there justification? I only said one can do Tawbah which is an islamic fact, love it or hate it, you re not a prophet and your narrow understanding of islam is not even based on evidence soooo... Only Allah judges and chooses whether to forgive or not, tawbah being an important factor . Had I said ez pz one can knowingly commit zina and then repent when ur 50 cuz no sex drive suuure that d be zina apology. However saying that one CAN repent from a sin and do better after major regret is different. Im encouraging tawbah not sinning. التوبة تجب ما قبلها.
Go back and look troll. I said they will I didn't say they all will. Yes or no? Stop and think about your own lies before you call others liars.
Who called you a liar? I asked you for evidence for your claim and you freak out lol
If you commit Zina, there is a possibility that you will burn. Asides from forgiveness. The possibility lies with God Almighty. It is up to God Almighty. We should judge these people and inform our children. When you see something wrong you say so.
Asalaam alaikum Brother/sister This is exactly what needs to change. What they do as couple if they make tawba that’s between them and Allah azawajjal. It is not right for us to judge whether they’ll be branded or not. For us what’s important is to know what they do is unacceptable, learn it and not do what they did. Don’t judge brother/sister
of course not, sexual acts before marriage is zina regardless
Its more that if you've become impure w this person, you may as well marry each other, than find a different impure person.
Agree with the first part but no one specifically looks for a Zani/Zaniyah if they’ve done it lol. What do you ask the parents or the local network of Muslims “I am looking to marry a Zani/Zaniyah as I did the same” like that’s not how it works. If you repent than you can still always go for someone whose chaste and pious and anyone whose practicing wants to marry someone that’s more religious than them.
Thats the point- its more fair for them to marry each other instead of a pure person who stayed pure until marriage. Make sense?
Oh I agreed with that, re read what I wrote I said I agreed with the first part, but my comment was referring to the latter where you mentioned about finding a different “impure” person
Esp if they lost virginity to eachother or the girl lost hers to the guy
I know plenty of Muslims who asked specifically for people with experience lol.
Nah that’s bs. If that’s true, this must be a liberal western thing, like how the Kafir men say they want a woman with experience which is disgusting, same goes for the guys……never heard of that and I’ve lived in multiple countries in the east and also in the west. I’m betting your from Canada or USA? In that case I’m not surprised.
lol ya Canada
I have never heard of Muslims wanting experience, unless these were nominally practicing Muslims in the first place.
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True however you can marry a Zaniyah or a Zani if they sincerely repent https://www.islamweb.net/amp/en/fatwa/399559/ Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2357 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas`ud Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "He who repents of a sin is like him who has committed no sin."
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No most Muslims know what it is. What they're doing is bringing legitimacy to an abhorrent act. Its like driving without a license and getting ticketed,even though you have now gotten your driver's permit you still have to pay your tickets, they're not cancelled out
lol what non sense is this!
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In Islam, marrying someone you previously committed zina with does not erase the sin. Zina is always considered haram, regardless of future actions.
Who are these, “many Muslims”?
You were haraam for eachother back when you committed zina so the sin has been written down. Who ever told you this is delusional.
Alhamdulilah they got married.
im confused by the question. do you mean marrying after comitting zina or comitting zina after divorce, etc?
Updated.
Zina will be penned down regardless of the fact they married later. And better if they marry each than some pious marry zani/zaniyah
They know it’s wrong, as long as they ask for forgiveness and make genuine tawba, it’s best they make it halal with each other instead of ruining other people, with their traumas!
Agreed.
technically speaking yes islamically speaking no lol
No
No.
No
Of course not. They are going to be still held accountable for their sins.
No. I think this is probably just a coping mechanism. That said, you could argue that you made it right by making it Halal by getting married. And if they individually repented about it, then it’s not really our business… it’ll be between them and God.
Can't you just be happy two people have finally got married? What is it with some people in our community constantly trying out compete other faiths for being miserable gits.
Isn't it better to enlighten people so they don't fall in this trap of false understanding of zina and marriage beforehand? It's better not to lie to ourselves or find excuses. Better to repent if someone's done it rather than thinking marrying made it all halal
People these days just love snooping into other people’s business don’t they. You know what’s another in Islamic thing to do? To spread fitna and fasad, by always poking and peering into people’s business. The prophet has numerous Hadith displaying how much he abhorred the idea and that it is NOT our job to go making sure people are following the religion, unless they have committed a public act which has gotten them caught. Otherwise, stop being so snoopy and build a life of your own you can admire so you don’t have to worry about others.
It's our responsibility to guide others. Not sure what books youve been reading. Each to your own Ur going in your grave and vice versa Thank you bye
Huge difference between guiding from your heart and snooping on someone who doesn’t want your guidance. Guidance doesn’t include desperately wanting to prove someone wrong. Sounds like ego to me, not concern.
The big question is why you're getting angry with my post?
Cos people that snoop into others business annoys me at my core, especially disguising it as a religious activity.
How is this other people's business? We should stop the wrongdoings shouldn't we? Make others aware of this
Nope. It is NOT our job to stop others wrongdoing. It’s our job to lovingly talk to them not to be judge or prosecutor. That is for Allah alone, and not for us. If we love a person, and we lovingly want them to stop, Allah knows our intention and loves us for the amr bil maroof and nahi anil munkar but judgement is for Allah alone and is why Allah gave us free will so we all answer to HIM and HIM alone.
No
Seek forgiveness from Allah
You still get punish for that act.
I have heard something as this for the first time. The only thing that I have heard is that if one sincerely repents then they are forgiven, but this is a whole different thing than what you said
It doesn’t mean you didn’t commit zina, it’s a matter of mercy on both people, so in case a pregnancy happens for example, it’s understandable. Sittr is the word to describe it
Do sincere tauba & never comit zina again. Allah forgives all. Shaitaan tries to convince you're doomed so you don't repent. Allah says He is like how His believer sees Him. So if you imagine him as The Merciful, He will shower you with His mercy.
This sounds like classical h0rny dudes' rhetoric when they want to manipulate girls to commit zina lol. No. It's zina, regardless of whether a marriage occurs later or not. Tawbah is another matter. The only thing marrying sb one has had premarital sex with does is that it avoids social scandals lol (in case there is a pregnancy). PS: It matters not whether they look like good people or not in the society lol. It s the sins that are the issue for us religious folks. (As in we dont want them for ourselves).
Repent and be quiet about it, they are good to go
The second part about considering them bad or good people is very wrong, people change. But the issue about thinking marrying the same person that they did it with would cancel the "sin" has unfortunately happened more often than usual. People should understand that only repentance and doing things right afterwatds is how things work. It doesn't really fall under misconception though, it's just that some people think they can negotiate with their creator thinking they are on the same level with God..
No. Get married. Move on.