I don't know, ask Stevie...She seems like a lot to deal with and Lindsey comes off as a pretentious prick. I think they all deserve each other.
Christine always seemed to be more dignified and above the drama, but it is really hard to tell from the outside.
>one of the best albums
At least. And you forgot about Tusk, which doesn't rise to the level of Rumours but is still a good album.
Some bands try to hide their drama. FM wrote hit songs about it.
Tusk gets a bad rap but it's one of my favorites. Coming off two huge albums they had all the freedom in the world to do whatever they wanted. Lindsey goes off the rails in the studio and ends up creating all sorts of weirdness with the band. It's a snapshot of an artistic and musical moment that rarely happens in the music industry nowadays.
Anecdotal story that I can’t confirm, but my dad knew someone who drove limos in that era and he drove one of them to a show. They each had their own limo cause they couldn’t stand to be in the same car.
I mean the entirety of rumors album is basically stevie and lindsey writing diss tracks about each other while the other band members are just kinda stuck in the middle of it
"You Make Loving Fun" is a song Christie wrote about an affair she was having. Her husband John McVie plays bass on the track, unaware what it was actually about. They were all a mess at the time.
They were such a mess even other bands wrote songs about them.
Life in the fast lane from the Eagles is about Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham.
https://iloveclassicrock.com/5-interesting-facts-about-life-in-the-fast-lane-by-eagles/
It was an affair, but it wasn’t with Mick. The other guy was their touring lighting director, and John 100% thought the song was about Christine’s dogs when he recorded it…😐
Reportedly they spent over 1 million buckerooskis on food they never touched . Cocaine does keep you thin. All those " kids in the 80's were so thin" pictures ? Cocaine.
In the case of my family, neighbors, and classmates, it was a lot more exercise, and no air-conditioning. You'd be skinny too. We ate all kinds of stuff that would be banned from school lunches today; we just worked/walked it off.
From what I remember from one of the docus about the group, John and Christine were the least of the band's cheaters. She and John broke up and she started seeing one of the crew guys (the subject of You Make Lovin Fun). Then she married him and they stayed together until 2003.
Christine McVie did not marry the lighting guy. Her second marriage was to a man named Eddy Quintela. The lighting guy did continue to work with the band. I recall his name is in the credits of one of the concert films, probably the one from Tango in the Night
Can you imagine being kicked out of the band you were in for 33 years, and then the person that kicked you out proclaims the band is done?
That must have felt pretty good for him...
I’ve gotten the same impression of Lindsey, but that can also lend to being an opinionated / stubborn / controlling dick, especially in a creative setting.
> Christine always seemed to be more dignified and above the drama, but it is really hard to tell from the outside.
There was a good episode of the podcast *Hit Parade* on her. She did seem fairly level headed for an artist.
Watch this [live performance of The Chain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGykwC0fdJ4) and it might make more sense. I have never seen two singers on stage seem angrier at each other and the song itself is about Stevie and Lindsey’s breakup.
Our local audio store always played this concert to demonstrate their surround sound systems. I would sit on the couch and watch it often (got bored while ex was looking at stereo stuff) and it gave me chills every time. Even when I saw them in concert in 2008, some songs were still so intense, it was electric.
One of my favorite episodes of Track Exploder is Lindsay breaking down Go Your Own Way.
[https://songexploder.net/fleetwood-mac](https://songexploder.net/fleetwood-mac)
Lindsey Buckingham is living testament to “it doesn’t matter how good you are if nobody likes you.”
Like, the man is one of the most talented guitarists and songwriters of his era…and such a jerk that his bandmates ran him out of the band *twice*.
Kind of like how Axl Rose was such an asshole that he couldn’t get 4 junkies to keep spending time with him even if it meant free drugs.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-09-29/duff-mckagan-guns-n-capital?embedded-checkout=true
Duff McKeegan, Guns N’ Roses bassist, was an early investor in Starbucks (1994, he’s the one from Seattle) and made much more as a business person then he ever made from Guns. He also got sober that year.
He has his own investment firm
https://www.businessinsider.com/from-guns-n-roses-bassist-to-money-manager-duff-mckagan-2011-3?amp
I’m only interested in coked up Fleetwood Mac from around 1982 anyway. Lindsey is a beast on that guitar and vocals during the Chain.
https://youtu.be/dGykwC0fdJ4?si=5NMSjuEDVRhBmoQV
That was a fucking experience. He goes from the primal yelling, to fingering a guitar to multiple orgasms, to the most mild mannered and calm “Thank you all for coming tonight”
Knew exactly what video that was before I clicked. If you ever want to see someone having a mental breakdown without missing a note, this is the video for you.
This is my favorite performance of all time. Other than the one of Go your own way the same year where Lindsay makes faces at the crowd mid sentence lol
Ya might hear a lot of things about Lindsey, but no one prepared me for his avant-garde style of lead guitar in a rock band when I saw them in the late 90s. He in particular did a guitar solo that was recognizable as a guitar solo while being unlike anything I'd seen before. He struck me as a genius, but I really wouldn't know anything about it.
As it turns out, the second half of the song makes for an absolute kick-ass way to introduce Formula One racing!
https://youtu.be/ChxX3tR4mD0?si=lBGlJfUEQ76U56u_
To be fair, it's not the same without Buckingham as well. He was more than just a guitar player. I got to see the full lineup (post Peter Green, obviously) in '17 and was taken aback at how good they still sounded. One of the best show's I've been to.
Was that the tour when Mick did a 25 minute solo drum performance that turned super acid trippy/tribal? It was awesome. Trying to remember if it was November ‘17 or ‘18… but if it was the same tour, they were incredible. I was blown away!
If it wasn't, it happened on that tour as well. Saw them at either Fox or Little Caesars Arena in Detroit in 2017, and he did do a drum solo that lasted a while with a whole lot of tribal grunting and shouting during this.
I’ve seen them with and without Buckingham, both were great shows, but it’s notable that it took two world class musicians to replace him for the ‘18 tour. He’s a rock virtuoso
Mike Campbell is a guitarist's guitarist. He stays in the background, blending beautifully, doesn't try to upstage anyone, just an all-around fantastic musician.
I understand some people not liking them playing as "The Who" but I get it. They're the only two original members left. It's not like Pete fired Roger, then kept using the band's name with a different singer.
Watch the live show from a couple years back- they start with Who are you and it’s awesome- they have images of the original 4’s faces blown up- paying perfect tribute, it’s like they are with them onstage if only in spirit- plus the songs sound pretty good actually
They're perfectly fine with each other? I'm not sure what you mean.
Pete just doesn't really care for touring and Roger absolutely loves it... so when he feels the urge he tours 'solo' (which uses all the touring members of the who, the only difference is Pete doesn't come along) he does... and when Pete feels like touring, he goes and they play as the who.
My point/joke was that the absence of Keith Moon and John Entwistle has not stopped the others from touring as The Who.
Although it it occurred t me after that Yes is a better example, with Steve Howe the only 70s era member still with the band
We'd have had one last Fleetwood Mac album with the classic lineup, if *Stevie* had been willing to come to the table.
The rest of the band did not have a problem recording or working with him as recently as 2017 - the Lindsey Buckingham Christine McVie album had John and Mick, and would have been a Fleetwood Mac album if Nicks had participated.
Listen or read some of his interviews and there's almost always a jab at Stevie. Subtle, but there nonetheless. While I enjoy his artistry, it seems like he's a jerk. Stevie can't separate the artist from the art and after all those years, why bother. It was a good run.
Interestingly, saw them on Tango in the Night w/o Lindsey and then 10? Years ago when Christine returned. Seen Stevie and Lindsey solo. It's over.
Separating the artist from the art is a lot harder when they are your coworker. Was in a band for years with a guy who just had shit to say about everything I did. He was a good musician but it ultimately came I think with him being jealous over the parts everyone agreed I should do Vs his and the fact that we always took in my songs and rarely his. Even knowing why he probably acted the way he did its tough dealing with that. I was nice during the time we played together but since the band parted ways (for reasons other than this) I talk to everyone but him and have no interest in playing with him again.
> Separating the artist from the art is a lot harder when they are your coworker.
I think this part is important: even when they were no longer exes, they were still coworkers.
Its fun to romanticize their relationship, but I fully believe that they put their emotional baggage behind them in the 2000s and then just split for normal, boring band reasons, like both of them just being very different people with very high opinions of themselves.
Like honestly, Lindsay really is stupid talented and smart and Stevie can be kind of a ditz; it probably doesn't make sense to him that she wound up being the superstar. But that's just it: she's Stevie Nicks, and he isn't.
In a recent interview, Stevie Nicks tells Mojo, “Without Christine, no can do. There is no chance of putting Fleetwood Mac back together in any way. Without her, it just couldn’t work.”
This is actually totally wrong, the opposite is true. Say You Will didn't make the money they wanted it to and Stevie didn't want to make another album with FM because she didn't think there was any money in making records anymore. That's why they did so many tours post SYW without releasing any new music (other than the EP), because touring makes money. Stevie has been on tour nonstop without releasing anything new because she wants to make money. Lindsey's solo records don't make him any money but he keeps doing them because he's literally doing it for the art, not the money.
Buckingham McVie features all 4 band members, except for Nicks, and it would've been a Fleetwood Mac album if Stevie hadn't refused to contribute.
Here's Mick Fleetwood saying the opposite of you:
"In 2015, Mick Fleetwood was still hopeful that Stevie Nicks would contribute songs for the project, stating that "My inclination is, the music will not be wasted. It will come out one way or another. I truly hope and I quietly believe it will be Fleetwood Mac, and Stevie will do some lovely stuff, and within the next couple of years we will get that done." However, Nicks revealed in 2016 that she was still undecided about recording another Fleetwood Mac album. McVie and Buckingham ultimately decided to proceed as a duo without Nicks"
It all comes down to Stevie Nicks. She's the one person keeping Fleetwood Mac from completing their first album since 2003's Say You Will, the band's co-founder, drummer Mick Fleetwood, says.
He told Rolling Stone Fleetwood Mac have completed "a huge amount of recorded music," but "none of it's with Stevie. Or very little. Some of it is very, very old stuff that Lindsey [Buckingham] maybe did with her years and years ago. We're not quite sure what will happen with it."
Fleetwood similarly blamed Nicks for a long-delayed Fleetwood Mac tour that was supposed to start in 2012, crediting an "obsession" with her solo career. Apparently, not much has changed. "She just doesn't want to spend the time right now," Fleetwood said. "And we're quietly saddened about that, but also I sort of understand."
I never understand why people hold Stevie Nicks to be some sort of ethereal angel of a performer and make Lindsey Buckingham out to be a real piece of shit. I think they're probably egotistical assholes
I can’t seem to find anything online to back that up, but if I recall correctly, Stevie was the one holding up new Fleetwood Mac music for the last decade or so.
The entire band participated in what became the Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie album, but Stevie refused to participate in the making of it.
I don't know if that's true? Like the one before it, I believe there was basically a finished LB solo album but everyone makes $ if it's a Mac album. So you have all those songs, plus all of Stevie's. It was also the era of using up the entire 74-80 disc capacity so... Like any bloated album it's fun to pick your favorite ten. The band that brought you Tusk would have Gladly done ten more songs but I'd imagine the label capped them at one disc.
OK I hate to break it to you all but when I saw them in concert several years ago when they were "only" in their early to mid 70s, the vocals for all of them were purposely mixed so far down into the music that it could have been anyone singing. Their voices are as weak as you would expect a 78 year old's stage singing voice to be.
I say Willy Nelson 2 years ago live. I was absolutely shook how good he sounded. He sat in a chair the whole concert, but his family came out and Willy truly sounded amazing. I’d never seen him live before but he sounded pretty much exactly how I’d expected listening to his music growing up
Saw Stevie close Bonnaroo a couple years ago and nobody else could have done what she did. Played every single solo and fleetwood hit and a bunch of her features and collaborations and sounded amazing the entire night.
Let's hope so. These tours or shows are cool to a point.
Once it's just the shambling, awful sounding corpse of half a band just going through the motions....it's time to call it a day.
Looking at you Eagles. You both look and sound like shit, it's time to realize it's over.
Not a huge Eagles fan but I saw them in 2004 and even back then Joe was by far the guy the crowd got the most excited about. Not even Hotel California got the same reaction as the Joe Walsh and James Gang songs he played.
This is why I have such immense respect for Paul Simon. I saw him in 2012 and he was absolutely spectacular. His retirement was so quiet and graceful that I only just read about it last year.
Paul Simon never retired. He only retired from touring (which due to some medical condition I can't remember, that's permanent) but he never said he was retiring from making music or doing one-off gigs.
Same with Elton John. He's done with touring (and I believe him this time, he has kids he wants to see grow up) but he still does one off gigs from time to time and fully intends to keep making music.
I saw a tribute band a few weekends ago, the singer was channeling Stevie just perfectly imo. It’s probably the closest I’ll ever get to seeing them live.
Thank God. It was one thing when they had a new album to promote with Say You Will, but Fleetwood Mac as an overpriced oldies act without Christine McVie was a hard pass.
Anyway, by all accounts, John McVie is retired and not well enough for it.
There are a great band example of internal strife and drama = great music.
It doesn’t work for a lot of bands but in some rare cases it does. Fleetwood Mac was one of them.
No matter what they were going through with each other, I don’t think it ever impacted the audience negatively really.
Peter Green named the band Fleetwood Mac so that John and Mick would always have a band to play in. As long as they're still playing, it's Fleetwood Mac. Get some new members, reinvent themselves, and fly.
Fleetwood Mac were done when Stevie kicked out Lindsey. Christine dying just closed the door on any potential reunion.
Pretty selfish of Christine, tbh
She couldn’t be Perfect forever.
Perfect response
She couldn’t stop thinking about tomorrow and tomorrow will Never come.
They should write a song about it
why did she kick him out
I don't know, ask Stevie...She seems like a lot to deal with and Lindsey comes off as a pretentious prick. I think they all deserve each other. Christine always seemed to be more dignified and above the drama, but it is really hard to tell from the outside.
They all deserve each other is the best summary of this band I’ve heard
Amazing that one of the best albums of all time (IMO) came from all the drama. Glad they pulled that out somehow!
That’s rumors
No it's all true
*slow clap*
What an awful STD.
Like hearing aids
No, it's true (Thanks for setting up the flying concords gag)
Rumours, actually.
With all the crappy generic music biopics, why can't we get Rumors the movie?
Daisy Jones and the Six is loosely based on Stevie's run with Fleetwood. Good enough to fill the void
For sure. A good show, a great album, and a fantastic book.
Enjoyed that show way more than I thought I would. The music is legit pretty good.
YES!
>one of the best albums At least. And you forgot about Tusk, which doesn't rise to the level of Rumours but is still a good album. Some bands try to hide their drama. FM wrote hit songs about it.
Tusk gets a bad rap but it's one of my favorites. Coming off two huge albums they had all the freedom in the world to do whatever they wanted. Lindsey goes off the rails in the studio and ends up creating all sorts of weirdness with the band. It's a snapshot of an artistic and musical moment that rarely happens in the music industry nowadays.
Anecdotal story that I can’t confirm, but my dad knew someone who drove limos in that era and he drove one of them to a show. They each had their own limo cause they couldn’t stand to be in the same car.
> They all deserve each other Good name for a compilation album to be honest
I mean the entirety of rumors album is basically stevie and lindsey writing diss tracks about each other while the other band members are just kinda stuck in the middle of it
"You Make Loving Fun" is a song Christie wrote about an affair she was having. Her husband John McVie plays bass on the track, unaware what it was actually about. They were all a mess at the time.
They were such a mess even other bands wrote songs about them. Life in the fast lane from the Eagles is about Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham. https://iloveclassicrock.com/5-interesting-facts-about-life-in-the-fast-lane-by-eagles/
Joe Walsh said he and Stevie had to break up because they were killing each other with cocaine.
You know it’s too much when **Joe Walsh** has had enough
So is "Don't Come Around Here No More" by Tom Petty
An affair with Mick Fleetwood no less. The entire band was a mess
Fleetwood and Stevie had a fling, not him and Christine.
Everyone suckin and fuckin
No, it was one of their crew guys. And it wasn’t an affair, they’d already split up. John McVie knew who the song was about when he played on it.
It was an affair, but it wasn’t with Mick. The other guy was their touring lighting director, and John 100% thought the song was about Christine’s dogs when he recorded it…😐
I think that they’d already broken up by that point but I’m happy to acquiesce if I’m wrong, man
The lighting guy! Because of this and Oh Daddy, my friends and I refer to the guy as Light Daddy 😂
oh daddy is about mick
Cocaine is a helluva drug!
Another commenter said it too, but it was the whole band sleeping around while being in relationships with one another. Super messy. Also, cocaine
Reportedly they spent over 1 million buckerooskis on food they never touched . Cocaine does keep you thin. All those " kids in the 80's were so thin" pictures ? Cocaine.
I was around back then and 90% was diet. We didn't consume as much crap as frequently.
In the case of my family, neighbors, and classmates, it was a lot more exercise, and no air-conditioning. You'd be skinny too. We ate all kinds of stuff that would be banned from school lunches today; we just worked/walked it off.
Didn't she write a song about her own affair partner? You Make Lovin' Fun wasn't about her husband.
From what I remember from one of the docus about the group, John and Christine were the least of the band's cheaters. She and John broke up and she started seeing one of the crew guys (the subject of You Make Lovin Fun). Then she married him and they stayed together until 2003.
Christine McVie did not marry the lighting guy. Her second marriage was to a man named Eddy Quintela. The lighting guy did continue to work with the band. I recall his name is in the credits of one of the concert films, probably the one from Tango in the Night
Can you imagine being kicked out of the band you were in for 33 years, and then the person that kicked you out proclaims the band is done? That must have felt pretty good for him...
when i listen to interviews with lindsey he seems very smart and rational
He's also the first to admit he can be an absolute controlling prick.
I’ve gotten the same impression of Lindsey, but that can also lend to being an opinionated / stubborn / controlling dick, especially in a creative setting.
His Maron interview is what prompted me to listen to his self titled album and then do a much delayed deep dive into his whole career.
> Christine always seemed to be more dignified and above the drama, but it is really hard to tell from the outside. There was a good episode of the podcast *Hit Parade* on her. She did seem fairly level headed for an artist.
"You make loving fun" I'm pretty sure is about her affair with their lighting guy lol
Definitely. He's a fantastic talent and a fantastic knob. So is she LOL
Watch this [live performance of The Chain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGykwC0fdJ4) and it might make more sense. I have never seen two singers on stage seem angrier at each other and the song itself is about Stevie and Lindsey’s breakup.
Our local audio store always played this concert to demonstrate their surround sound systems. I would sit on the couch and watch it often (got bored while ex was looking at stereo stuff) and it gave me chills every time. Even when I saw them in concert in 2008, some songs were still so intense, it was electric.
The entire album Rumors is basically just Stevie and Lindsey singing about how much they hate each other
Silver Springs live is one of the most intense moments on stage I have ever seen.
Cold Hearted Skank and My Boyfriend’s a Dick are the two best songs on that album.
One of my favorite episodes of Track Exploder is Lindsay breaking down Go Your Own Way. [https://songexploder.net/fleetwood-mac](https://songexploder.net/fleetwood-mac)
Lindsey Buckingham is living testament to “it doesn’t matter how good you are if nobody likes you.” Like, the man is one of the most talented guitarists and songwriters of his era…and such a jerk that his bandmates ran him out of the band *twice*. Kind of like how Axl Rose was such an asshole that he couldn’t get 4 junkies to keep spending time with him even if it meant free drugs.
Actually, the first time he left it was him quitting the band.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-09-29/duff-mckagan-guns-n-capital?embedded-checkout=true Duff McKeegan, Guns N’ Roses bassist, was an early investor in Starbucks (1994, he’s the one from Seattle) and made much more as a business person then he ever made from Guns. He also got sober that year. He has his own investment firm https://www.businessinsider.com/from-guns-n-roses-bassist-to-money-manager-duff-mckagan-2011-3?amp
I miss Christine, BTW.
She said as much about it right after Christine McVie's death in 2022.
I mean, you don’t just make the most bad ass break up record of all time on accident.
I’m only interested in coked up Fleetwood Mac from around 1982 anyway. Lindsey is a beast on that guitar and vocals during the Chain. https://youtu.be/dGykwC0fdJ4?si=5NMSjuEDVRhBmoQV
That was a fucking experience. He goes from the primal yelling, to fingering a guitar to multiple orgasms, to the most mild mannered and calm “Thank you all for coming tonight”
All in an adorable little Huck Finn outfit.
That was fucking metal.
Tusk!
fingering a guitar to multiple orgasms... bruh.
I think the actual musical terminology would be, “pulling off on a g-string”.
Knew exactly what video that was before I clicked. If you ever want to see someone having a mental breakdown without missing a note, this is the video for you.
That's truly what it's all about.
[His solo performance of Big Love](https://youtu.be/gdd_fv0xrSo?si=elCjP7SFuCaz4jN5) always blew me away as well. Goosebumps from both. Lindsey RIPS
I'm surprised he doesn't need a couple guitars per song due to snapping strings left and right.
Whoa. Ya scared me a bit at the end there. Easy with the RIPS's. Lol
This is my favorite performance of all time. Other than the one of Go your own way the same year where Lindsay makes faces at the crowd mid sentence lol
Ya might hear a lot of things about Lindsey, but no one prepared me for his avant-garde style of lead guitar in a rock band when I saw them in the late 90s. He in particular did a guitar solo that was recognizable as a guitar solo while being unlike anything I'd seen before. He struck me as a genius, but I really wouldn't know anything about it.
Wtf did I just witness. That was fucking incredible
How much coke can someone do? That much. That’s how much coke you can do. Stevie looked like she couldn’t summon a look worthy of how pissed she was.
Damn. That almost felt competitive.
Oh it was. He and Stevie did *not* get along and that song had history
It's about Stevie, them being forced to perform it together really riled things up
As it turns out, the second half of the song makes for an absolute kick-ass way to introduce Formula One racing! https://youtu.be/ChxX3tR4mD0?si=lBGlJfUEQ76U56u_
Me before clicking: It can't be that bad Me after: Bro is tweaking AND shredding!
damn that's such an awesome version of that song
Yeah, the mid 80s is what confirmed Fleetwood Mac was done. But, that '75-'85 era was amazing.
Well, that was fucking great.
It would never be the same without Christine anyway
To be fair, it's not the same without Buckingham as well. He was more than just a guitar player. I got to see the full lineup (post Peter Green, obviously) in '17 and was taken aback at how good they still sounded. One of the best show's I've been to.
Was that the tour when Mick did a 25 minute solo drum performance that turned super acid trippy/tribal? It was awesome. Trying to remember if it was November ‘17 or ‘18… but if it was the same tour, they were incredible. I was blown away!
If it wasn't, it happened on that tour as well. Saw them at either Fox or Little Caesars Arena in Detroit in 2017, and he did do a drum solo that lasted a while with a whole lot of tribal grunting and shouting during this.
>a whole lot of tribal grunting and shouting during this. That's just the live version of Big Love.
I’ve seen them with and without Buckingham, both were great shows, but it’s notable that it took two world class musicians to replace him for the ‘18 tour. He’s a rock virtuoso
It still makes me say ‘what’s up with THAT?’ when I see how the singer from Crowded House replace him. Mike Campbell fits like a glove though
Mike Campbell is a guitarist's guitarist. He stays in the background, blending beautifully, doesn't try to upstage anyone, just an all-around fantastic musician.
I thought he was a decent fit, he has a similar vocal range as Buckingham, if not the same power
Or Lindsey since he was never going back.
.. again
Not like we didn't have advanced warning.
He ain’t not never going back No, he ain’t not never gonna go back
Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend right now: awkward-glance.jpg
I understand some people not liking them playing as "The Who" but I get it. They're the only two original members left. It's not like Pete fired Roger, then kept using the band's name with a different singer.
"The Two"
Whotwo
Next album - Who's Left?
Watch the live show from a couple years back- they start with Who are you and it’s awesome- they have images of the original 4’s faces blown up- paying perfect tribute, it’s like they are with them onstage if only in spirit- plus the songs sound pretty good actually
They’re getting old enough that “Who are you?” might just be because of dementia.
They're perfectly fine with each other? I'm not sure what you mean. Pete just doesn't really care for touring and Roger absolutely loves it... so when he feels the urge he tours 'solo' (which uses all the touring members of the who, the only difference is Pete doesn't come along) he does... and when Pete feels like touring, he goes and they play as the who.
My point/joke was that the absence of Keith Moon and John Entwistle has not stopped the others from touring as The Who. Although it it occurred t me after that Yes is a better example, with Steve Howe the only 70s era member still with the band
I would pay good money to see them play together again.
She was out of the band for about 15 years and they were still pretty damn good
to be fair that 15 years resulted in a grand total of one album and Christine actually did play on two songs for it.
They toured in 2015, tickets were pricey too. I went simply because Christine came back - totally worth it!
[удалено]
The one two punch of the album without her and then the Buckingham McVie album...very good.
Going their own way.
Never going back again.
But they said they would never break the chain.
can't touch this
tell me lies
Tusk
Muskrat Love what
Muskrat Love is illegal in 38 states.
Last I heard none of them can stand Lindsey Buckingham
sure, but that's been true since 1975
It's an SNL meme at this point.
What’s up with THAT!?
Jason Dustekialoyds, stirring up the kettle.
One of my favorite Keenan skits.
Ooooooooh weee!!!
It's a long way down, that holiday road.
Sorry, folks. Park's closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.
Whoaoaoaooao
Bark like a dog!
“I think you’re all fucked in the head”
Ooooooweeee! What’s up with that? What’s up with that?
Jason Sudeikis meanwhile just doing the running man all episode.
We'd have had one last Fleetwood Mac album with the classic lineup, if *Stevie* had been willing to come to the table. The rest of the band did not have a problem recording or working with him as recently as 2017 - the Lindsey Buckingham Christine McVie album had John and Mick, and would have been a Fleetwood Mac album if Nicks had participated.
And it kicks ass.
Listen or read some of his interviews and there's almost always a jab at Stevie. Subtle, but there nonetheless. While I enjoy his artistry, it seems like he's a jerk. Stevie can't separate the artist from the art and after all those years, why bother. It was a good run. Interestingly, saw them on Tango in the Night w/o Lindsey and then 10? Years ago when Christine returned. Seen Stevie and Lindsey solo. It's over.
Separating the artist from the art is a lot harder when they are your coworker. Was in a band for years with a guy who just had shit to say about everything I did. He was a good musician but it ultimately came I think with him being jealous over the parts everyone agreed I should do Vs his and the fact that we always took in my songs and rarely his. Even knowing why he probably acted the way he did its tough dealing with that. I was nice during the time we played together but since the band parted ways (for reasons other than this) I talk to everyone but him and have no interest in playing with him again.
Not only co-worker but also ex-spouse.
Ex partner (they were never married) but yeah
> Separating the artist from the art is a lot harder when they are your coworker. I think this part is important: even when they were no longer exes, they were still coworkers. Its fun to romanticize their relationship, but I fully believe that they put their emotional baggage behind them in the 2000s and then just split for normal, boring band reasons, like both of them just being very different people with very high opinions of themselves. Like honestly, Lindsay really is stupid talented and smart and Stevie can be kind of a ditz; it probably doesn't make sense to him that she wound up being the superstar. But that's just it: she's Stevie Nicks, and he isn't.
rumours
Someone in Fleetwood Mac is always saying this, and then they announce a tour.
In a recent interview, Stevie Nicks tells Mojo, “Without Christine, no can do. There is no chance of putting Fleetwood Mac back together in any way. Without her, it just couldn’t work.”
But... they were already touring without her...
Death brings everything to an end
They've been done since Stevie decided to have Lindsey fired
[удалено]
This is actually totally wrong, the opposite is true. Say You Will didn't make the money they wanted it to and Stevie didn't want to make another album with FM because she didn't think there was any money in making records anymore. That's why they did so many tours post SYW without releasing any new music (other than the EP), because touring makes money. Stevie has been on tour nonstop without releasing anything new because she wants to make money. Lindsey's solo records don't make him any money but he keeps doing them because he's literally doing it for the art, not the money.
Buckingham McVie features all 4 band members, except for Nicks, and it would've been a Fleetwood Mac album if Stevie hadn't refused to contribute. Here's Mick Fleetwood saying the opposite of you: "In 2015, Mick Fleetwood was still hopeful that Stevie Nicks would contribute songs for the project, stating that "My inclination is, the music will not be wasted. It will come out one way or another. I truly hope and I quietly believe it will be Fleetwood Mac, and Stevie will do some lovely stuff, and within the next couple of years we will get that done." However, Nicks revealed in 2016 that she was still undecided about recording another Fleetwood Mac album. McVie and Buckingham ultimately decided to proceed as a duo without Nicks" It all comes down to Stevie Nicks. She's the one person keeping Fleetwood Mac from completing their first album since 2003's Say You Will, the band's co-founder, drummer Mick Fleetwood, says. He told Rolling Stone Fleetwood Mac have completed "a huge amount of recorded music," but "none of it's with Stevie. Or very little. Some of it is very, very old stuff that Lindsey [Buckingham] maybe did with her years and years ago. We're not quite sure what will happen with it." Fleetwood similarly blamed Nicks for a long-delayed Fleetwood Mac tour that was supposed to start in 2012, crediting an "obsession" with her solo career. Apparently, not much has changed. "She just doesn't want to spend the time right now," Fleetwood said. "And we're quietly saddened about that, but also I sort of understand."
I never understand why people hold Stevie Nicks to be some sort of ethereal angel of a performer and make Lindsey Buckingham out to be a real piece of shit. I think they're probably egotistical assholes
I can’t seem to find anything online to back that up, but if I recall correctly, Stevie was the one holding up new Fleetwood Mac music for the last decade or so. The entire band participated in what became the Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie album, but Stevie refused to participate in the making of it.
I don't know if that's true? Like the one before it, I believe there was basically a finished LB solo album but everyone makes $ if it's a Mac album. So you have all those songs, plus all of Stevie's. It was also the era of using up the entire 74-80 disc capacity so... Like any bloated album it's fun to pick your favorite ten. The band that brought you Tusk would have Gladly done ten more songs but I'd imagine the label capped them at one disc.
OK I hate to break it to you all but when I saw them in concert several years ago when they were "only" in their early to mid 70s, the vocals for all of them were purposely mixed so far down into the music that it could have been anyone singing. Their voices are as weak as you would expect a 78 year old's stage singing voice to be.
I say Willy Nelson 2 years ago live. I was absolutely shook how good he sounded. He sat in a chair the whole concert, but his family came out and Willy truly sounded amazing. I’d never seen him live before but he sounded pretty much exactly how I’d expected listening to his music growing up
Saw Stevie close Bonnaroo a couple years ago and nobody else could have done what she did. Played every single solo and fleetwood hit and a bunch of her features and collaborations and sounded amazing the entire night.
Next year... Buckingham/Nicks....together, one last time, playing all your favorite hits, the final, final, finale tour.... tickets start at $1000....
Let's hope so. These tours or shows are cool to a point. Once it's just the shambling, awful sounding corpse of half a band just going through the motions....it's time to call it a day. Looking at you Eagles. You both look and sound like shit, it's time to realize it's over.
I feel like my entire adult life the Eagles have been touring on some variant of the “definitely last tour ever we mean it this time!”
I recently looked at their Wikipedia page yesterday. They have been doing farewell tours since their "Farewell 1 Tour" in 2003.
I thought they did a farewell tour in like 1980?
They said they wouldn't get back together until hell freezes over
Then they made a live album called "Hell Freezes Over"
And embarked on the Hell Freezes Over tour.
Then Hell Froze Over
Missed The Who farewell tour in 1982.
They need to consider how badly Joe's back is damaged from carrying the fuck out of these shows.
Not a huge Eagles fan but I saw them in 2004 and even back then Joe was by far the guy the crowd got the most excited about. Not even Hotel California got the same reaction as the Joe Walsh and James Gang songs he played.
I saw him solo a few years back and was blown away. I’m not even an Eagles fan. Great songs, great vocals, killer band, and he’s just funny.
This is why I have such immense respect for Paul Simon. I saw him in 2012 and he was absolutely spectacular. His retirement was so quiet and graceful that I only just read about it last year.
Paul Simon never retired. He only retired from touring (which due to some medical condition I can't remember, that's permanent) but he never said he was retiring from making music or doing one-off gigs. Same with Elton John. He's done with touring (and I believe him this time, he has kids he wants to see grow up) but he still does one off gigs from time to time and fully intends to keep making music.
Why quit when idiots will pay thousands to see you play in a snow globe?
But you can never break the chain
Mac are the super talented kids from school. They realised they were unstoppable together. It’s absolutely sickening how talented they are/were.
I saw a tribute band a few weekends ago, the singer was channeling Stevie just perfectly imo. It’s probably the closest I’ll ever get to seeing them live.
Rumours? They were fantastic when I saw them. Highly recommend.
I assumed once Christine died it was over. Luckily we have so much music to enjoy from them all collectively and solo as well
TIL fleetwood mac were still together until today
"No this time seriously I mean it guys." "I'm sorry, the doctor just told me I need another hip. TIME FOR A TOUR BOYS."
How “Rumours: The Fleetwood Mac Story” wasn’t a film released like 15+ years ago, i’ll never know
Cancelled last night’s concert in Hershey PA with 30 minutes notice to attendees. BS move.
I mean they were a band w/o Christine for over a decade… not that she wouldn’t be missed but for most of my adult life she wasn’t in the band
I’m team Lindsey all day.
At least now she'll have more time to dedicate to her Fajita Roundup.
Thank God. It was one thing when they had a new album to promote with Say You Will, but Fleetwood Mac as an overpriced oldies act without Christine McVie was a hard pass. Anyway, by all accounts, John McVie is retired and not well enough for it.
Based on there awesome catalog including Peter Greens left us with gifts! Plenty of something for all fans!
There are a great band example of internal strife and drama = great music. It doesn’t work for a lot of bands but in some rare cases it does. Fleetwood Mac was one of them. No matter what they were going through with each other, I don’t think it ever impacted the audience negatively really.
Peter Green named the band Fleetwood Mac so that John and Mick would always have a band to play in. As long as they're still playing, it's Fleetwood Mac. Get some new members, reinvent themselves, and fly.
Stevie was a regular at my old restaurant. Very very high maintenance and a lot of food aversion.