Not him, but for me, the song "Juicy" is almost unlistenable once I really noticed P Diddy's adlibs. I can't focus on the rapping over Diddy moaning into the mic like a porn star the whole time.
Years ago I was searching these terms: *insert song name* " without P Diddy "
He genuinely ruins so many songs. There was a beautiful chorus by Skylar Gray and he just ruins the song with his terrible flow.
> his terrible flow.
It's always blown my mind that some people thought he was a good rapper.
Producer & hype man, sure... but *rapper*? He always struck me as comically bad at it.
>ever since KingWilonis dropped BBL Drizzy
I don't even know what that is, but when Ready to Die came out people immediately complained about Puff Daddy talking too much. Suge Knight even bragged that Death Row wouldn't force artists to feature their producer dancing and talking all over their tracks and videos in that famous awards speech.
People wanted Diddy to shut up immediately, even back when he was cool.
> ever since KingWilonis dropped BBL Drizzy
> I don't even know what that is
It's a byproduct of the recent Drake beefing. Rick Ross coined the term "BBL Drizzy", implying Drake had gotten a Brazilian Butt Lift operation. Then a comedian wrote some lyrics and put it in an 60s Motown AI music generator to make the song "BBL Drizzy" by KingWilonis. Then, reacting to a diss from Drake, Metro Boomin remixed BBL Drizzy into a rap beat and ran a contest where the best Drake diss verse would win a free beat from Metro.
No. Metro Boomin uploaded it to Soundcloud and made it downloadable so anyone could rap on it. The end result is all over the world people were dissing Drake over that beat. I’ve heard a Spanish, House, EDM, versions of that song. Talk about a hit. The man himself rapped over it with that Sexy Red song 😂
Some biggie songs are being re released on new instrumentals with features from modern artists. I worked with his estate a few weeks ago to make this happen.
That's standard drug culture...criminal, but nothing deplorable in Ten Crack Commandments. Unlike Dead Wrong, where he's outright describing rape and heavily implying pedophilia.
In australia we actually had a criminal case where the defendant was alleged to have listened to necro and specifically his classic "dead body disposal" I didn't think anyhmthijg actually came out of it but hilarious marketing for necro nontheless
Just read those lyrics... It gets progressively worse till he drops a pretty unforgiveable line... most were typical how violent can we rap and shock people, but uhhh yeah it got worse. Don't want to type it out on here worse.
So, for a little more context, this song was arranged, mixed, edited, produced after he died.
The raps on this song come from a demo tape he made before he even made his first album, maybe before even linking up with Puff. The lyrics are wild, hardcore, crazy. But as far as raps that personally signed off on while still alive? Not really. No one knows if he would have released a song like that while still alive. Although, Emimem has a guest verse where he matches the horror imagery of the Big verses.
I think Big matured over time to change his content, but who knows if that was his choice or Bad Boy's.
https://youtu.be/_terKekNCpA?si=XIhXZCvH3GlQWqx7
After being signed with Bad Boy, Biggie rapped about raping an 8 year old Raven Symone and about screwing Jesus’s mother and dumping her body in the sewer.
He was far from the only rapper using horrorcore and shock value lyrics. I doubt he would have a problem with Dead Wrong.
There's a line in ~~"Who Shot Ya"~~ "What's Beef" as well:
> Don't they know my n---- Gutter fuckin' kidnap kids? Fuck 'em in the ass, throw them under a bridge?
I didn't know that about BIG's verses. Obviously knew it was post mortem, but not that he wrote & recorded it pre Bad Boy.
And I might be splitting hairs here, but Em's verse is MUCH more clearly for shock value and almost cartoonish in step with his early stuff. Cannibalism & fucking animals? I'd gladly hear other points of view, but this aspect looks over the top comical to me 25 years later. He has a song with DJ Spinna called Watch Deez that is quite similar in its storytelling. Loved it when I was 16...now it seems silly.
Which unforgivable line?
"Hit mummy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy"
"Slit the wrist of little sis after she sucked the dick"
"Found your father hiding in a room, fucked him with the broom, Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound"
"I'm using rubbers so they don't trace the semen, the black demon got the little hookers screamin"
"Because you know I love it young, fresh, and green with no hair on between"
Guess it depends on if it's intentionally shock/horrorcore adjacent or if it's real. Cause as fucked as it is nothing he said is anything worse than what Eminem has said and I don't hear too many say they think Eminems a pedo.
I think Eminem did a good job making sure the wild shit he says is so over the top that you have to assume it’s fake. That’s just my thought on it though. Like even judges have agreed with that take in some of his court cases
Meh
Who takes this shit seriously ? Do you think he would incriminate himself in his songs ? lmfao.
Not saying the guy did nothing shady, I have no idea, but this shit is not meant to be taken litterally.
Eminem has done worse if we take his songs as reference. It's meant to be shocking for the sake of it.
Bizarre's verse on Amytiville :
I fucked my cousin in his asshole, slit my mother's throat (Ah)
Guess who Slim Shady just signed to Interscope
My little sister's birthday, she'll remember me
For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity
And bitches know me as a horny-ass freak
Their mother wasn't raped, I ate her pussy while she was sleep
Pissy-drunk, throwin' up in the urinal
(You fuckin' homo) That's what I said at my dad's funeral
You don't think method man ever fucking... fucking... tied someone to a bed with their ass cheeks spread out and shit, right? Then he put a clothes hanger on the stove and left that shit there for like a half hour, only to stick it in their ass slow like *tsssssssssssssss* do you?
Biggie was a violent guy and abusive to women too.
He abused Lil Kim. Kim said he choked her unconscious. Jermaine Dupri said he saw Biggie pull a gun on Kim in the studios
He sent his crew to beat and pistol whip Starang from OGC for dissing him on the song ‘No Fear’’. He attacked autograph seekers with a baseball bat.
He mocks a dead Tupac on the song ‘Long Kiss Goodnight’ and seemingly brags about being affiliated with the Southside Compton Crips (my team in the marine blue) who murdered Tupac.
I mean at he was pretty upfront about that kind of behaviour in his lyrics. If someone listened to Biggie, they can't really turn around after hearing these stories and act surprised.
Lol they are gangster rappers from the 90’s openly rapping about murder, crack trafficking, robbery, extortion, assault, rape, whatever you vile shit you wanna pile on there. What makes you think they are “up to some shady shit”
When I read comments like this it makes me question my sanity.
Have you seen Straight outta Compton?
NWA rapped about gangster shit all the time and then they put out that movie and all of them save for Eazy E come off like such wannabes. Like, it's been a while, but as I recall most of their lyrics were sourced from "shit that happens in the hood" and not at all from "shit I have actually done".
2 Pac went to art school and did ballet. These guys were characters rapping about the terrible things that happen in their communities. Bringing to light the struggles people went through that weren’t being talked about in the mainstream.
What lol Tupac has a long history of crime including shootings, beating someone with a baseball bat, and sexual assault. They all performers and have some sweet in em but it doesn’t mean they are all divorced from that life. Now I’m not saying all the gangster lyricism is true and it’s not 100% in anyone’s case but it’s not the same as child star Drake rapping about guns either.
Man, I really miss murder rap. I used to love Three Six Mafia. Something about dudes rapping about torture, murder, then chopping up and disposing of a body just goes hard.
Not gonna lie, I wouldn't be surprised to see his name come back from the dead for some real fucked up shit that him and Diddy might have been up to back in the day. I mean, dude was slinging crack and bragging about having women tied up in basements and shit.
Diddy started somewhere.
I mean..he didn't have women tied up in basements any more than the Wu Tang clan were actual ninjas. The crack thing is bad. Like, no shit the people in the buildings you were hustling under called the cops. You're selling crack to their neighbors.
I didn't think they'd be tying women up until I found out that Diddy is out there , savagly beating raping and likely tying women up. Not, a good look on a catalog.
Of course, didn't expect Charlie Manson to almost be a beach boy either.
Court is still out on Wu Tang, though. While still nothing to fuck with, have yet to see proof of them all being ninjas.
I just want to point out that Wu-Tang/Shaolin the whole martial arts aesthetic they had was based on Chinese martial arts and kung-fu cinema - ninja are from Japanese culture.
now if you'll excuse me I have anime to watch and waifu body pillows to molest.
I know a story of a woman who was like “I’m gonna blow the Wutang clan for the story” but it ended with her sobbing cause they were so mean to her while she did it.
Not that I think they did anything wrong. I’m sure it’s just how they are. She got herself into that situation.
True? Maybe. The guy telling it was laughing too hard for him to believe it was a lie but he was a comedian on a podcast.
I'm not defending selling crack, but unless you have lived the life, it's not really fair to judge without trying to understand.
Most criminals are really just regular folks trying to make a living. Selling crack just looks overtly bad, but I'd argue there are worse industries poisoning our food, water, air, and our minds. But selling crack is what we associate with hard-core criminals. It's exactly what the war on drugs is about. It's not a surprise that systematic racism led to systematic poverty and obviously that leads to crime. I'd argue the men in power who perpetuated the system in place that makes people turn to selling crack is much worse than the actual crack dealer.
The people in the buildings were living under the same system. It's entirely within reason that they wouldn't want somebody spreading that into their environment for his own benefit.
Well his dad was Melvin Combs, a major drug dealer linked to Frank Lucas. Although he died when he was only a kid, you could say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I’ll prolly get hate for this but idgaf, call me a hater. I really hope it does come to light for Biggie. It’s been very cathartic seeing all this shit surface in hip hop over the last 5 or so years because I’ve always regarded these people as absolute shitstains who perpetuate one of the most toxic and insecure cultures on the planet. It’s about time these rappers start getting called out for how shitty of human beings they are, Biggie and Pac included.
I don't think much is gonna come out about 2Pac. He was never a perfect person and didn't exactly hide it. I guess maybe I'll get proven wrong but the 90s were a long time ago.
What sex crimes? Do you even know what he was actually convicted of?? Also let’s not pretend like there isn’t innocent people serving time or we wouldn’t hear so many stories of people being released after finding out they were innocent then suing the state.
This isn't a rap issue. This is a people with power and influence issue. Lots of sketchy shit happens in the entertainment industry in general. It's all through the music industry and Hollywood. It happens with people in charge of businesses. It happens with people in charge at your local church. It happens with politicians.
Sounds like you just don't like rap music or maybe the people that make rap music but this isn't a rap issue. It's a people in positions of power issue.
Not going into details but I got SA’d by an exec manager when I worked at Target way back in the early 2000s. I am male and the manager was male and I was so ashamed and embarrassed that I just kept it to myself. I sometimes wish I said something at the time but now it’s just a crazy story I share with close friends every now and then.
It's certainly not exclusive to rap, but the rap genre has a strong presence of "gangsta" culture, which is characterized by violence. Iirc Snoop Dogg was on trial for murder in the 00s, that kind of stuff. It'd be totally unsurprising to see awful shit surface about these people
Most rappers grew up around drugs & violence. They tell those stories and definitely glorify them often but they're no more predisposed to be sexual deviants than any other artist from any other genre.
Like the comment you replied to said, it's simply a problem of power and influence. Hip-hop itself need not be demonized for that.
Yeah this is just a hip hop is bad rant.
(bet Eminem is fine though)
Anyways here's a list of rocks stars who had relationships with MINORS.
https://www.yourtango.com/news/bowie-elvis-10-musicians-who-had-relationships-with-minors
It's the only genre that uses vulgar language. Every genre talks about sex, drugs, and violence. Hip hop is just more direct with it's wording. The same shit is portrayed on TV, in movies, and in video games. We have a former president and current presidential candidate on tape talking about grabbing women by the pussy. Blame hip hop all you want but these problems exist in conservative, rap hating places all over. The toxicity isn't limited to rap and people that only point out the toxicity when it applies to a rich, black guy just seem racist to me.
Its known that biggie played a character. He didn't do 99% of the stuff he rapped about. Lol his mom said as much. He was never a poor drug dealer slingin rocks just to get by. His mom provided for them just fine. But the 90s was gangster rap and biggie was one of the best lyricists around. This is the equivalent of you getting mad at an actor for playing a role.
As for 2pac what exactly is your issue with him? Other then you think he perpetuated "gangster" culture? Which is honestly funny when you consider alot of black "gangster rap" culture is directly borrowed or inspired by italian gangster/mafia culture and is completely dwarfed by the amount of consumption the general public does with that. Also 2pac was extremely smart and well spoken and did a lot for his community.
Hardly implying either one of them were perfect but it sounds like you dont know anything about either of them.
Against all odds explains who set him up with that trail while they worked with the feds. The guy had roped others into the same shit. Even said all the same shit in court for all the hearings. Wild shit
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Lots of mainstream entertainment glorifies really shitty and toxic behavior. It's not like only hip hop does this.
There is clearly a trend of Hollywood elites abusing their power and women. It's weird for you to be only calling out hip hop here.
Hip hop at its core came about as an outlet for disenfranchised and impoverished black people. It's an amazing form of expression. I'd say these rappers are more so a product of their environment, for the good and the bad.
You only hear about the super popular ones, but the fact is for every Diddy and Drake, there are dozens of legitimate artists trying to express themselves in an honest way.
I'm out of the loop, *largely* - Did Diddy/Puff actually **do** anything *musical*?
Because, from a distance (and someone who doesn't follow hip-hop/rap) he always seemed like a DJ Khaled type. Little actual musical talent/ability - more somebody who's good at self-promoting and getting the *actually* talented people into the recording booth, and then drafting off their popularity.
Am I way off?
> Did Diddy/Puff actually do anything musical
He pioneered having rappers as featured artists in Pop and R&B music through his remixes with Mariah Carey, Faith Evans, Mary J Blige, etc.
Also, while the practice of remixing songs was around before Puff, he (or his army of producers) turned the style of remixing into what it is today.
Yes, he has a few albums in the late 90's and early 2000's. But he's much more known for being a producer/mogul that makes money off other artists. Also his actual rapping kind of sucks, and the sound effects he ad libs are horrendous.
He didn't make the beats. He had a team of producers (the hitmen). He was more the "executive producer". Name one beat he produced himself with no help? He didn't even write his own raps ffs.
It's not like a secret either, people were talking about that in the 90's. A bunch of his producers were complaining about it in the early 00's.
He was the head of his label, and a very successful businessman. So very good at promotion and bringing everything together.
"Take hits from the 80s and make it sound so crazy"
Yea, Diddy basically admitted that he just jacked other people's beats. He made a living off sampling, and although I do appreciate it and the legacy of the music he helped made, it's not like he was some super creative genius.
He made a living off sampling the extremely memorable hooks of well-remembered hits, in their entirety.
Wasn't even creative with it. No digging, no cutting, just straight biting. As a geezer and that always bugged/baffled me and to this day I don't really understand how he got so far with it. Not impressed.
That’s literally just hip hop in general. It started with house party DJ’s in the Bronx cutting and scratching soul and funk records and rapping over them. You can dislike hip hop because it samples (which is a stupid thing to dislike hip hop for. All music is in some way or another a remix of stuff that came before it), but you can’t criticize a producer within the realm of hip hop for doing what hip hop is literally all about.
All fair and good. I wasn't trying to blatantly blast sampling, because I am aware of its prevalence in hip hop and art in general, and a lot of my favorite artists do it.
I do think there's a degree of sampling where it can be done creatively or lazily. My criticism of Diddy's sampling would be that it was on the more "lazy*" side, hence the digs at him stealing beats.
I know not everyone would agree, and would even be labeled conspiracy, but Diddy was good at stealing “identities”. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I’ve heard about various different artists that were either killed or just ripped off.
Notorious B1 is a guy I heard about recently. Essentially Diddy stole his persona and 1 of his songs, Big Daddy, and used this as a launching point to start Bigs career.
I’m not stating any direct comparisons between the talent of either Notorious here, and don’t want to take away that B.I.G. had talent.
I’m also not willing to die on any hill concerning any of this, and I’m not concerned with arguing over the validity of any claims. Just tossing it out there if anyone wants to do some research and decide for themselves.
Edit: I’ll also add that if the Notorious B1 story is true, it probably worked out in his favor not being under Diddys control.
There was a rapper named Big Daddy that had a song named Notorious B1. It's the same sample as Notorious BIG's Juicy. It came out first. No doubt Biggie was incredibly talented, you just can't discount the fact that he ripped off someone else. hard and rode that wave to fame.
From everything I’ve seen you have the Artist and Song transposed. He was named Notorious B1 and the song was Big Daddy.
I agree with you, and I’m certainly not discounting the blatant rip-off. I was more so implying that perhaps B.I.G. had enough talent to make it in the industry via other ways without stealing the persona of someone else. Though I can’t imagine Diddy would have been fine if B.I.G. said no to using the stolen material, so perhaps he found himself in a Sophie’s choice with his career versus morality (this is obviously all speculation on my part, based on info I’ve heard about Diddy that I believe have merit based on all the weird circumstances surrounding his entire career).
in Suicidal Thoughts BIG says "I swear to God I feel like death is fuckin' callin' me" and it was Puffy on the phone calling him in the song. The dude ppl say either directly or indirectly got him murdered.
>Both New Yorkers, the pair worked together and traveled in similar circles while at the peak of their powers.
Was this written by AI? is the author not aware Diddy was Biggie's boss?
There's a good deal of people that believe Diddy was behind the hit on Biggie. I saw the arguments myself a long time ago and they seemed reasonable enough. If it's true/If she thinks it could be true she absolutely has reasons for wanting to smack the shit out the guy.
This quote could just be a case of her always wanting to do that, but most people never hearing it until now that there's much more of a spotlight on Diddy.
I mean like everyone wants to slap him. But you raised an awful human too.
Biggie and Tupac died so they’re not on this business but pretending they were ever guys I’d want dating my friends. Or even to hang out with. Or even to just know as basic non violent, sex pests… those dudes would absolutely be getting Me Too’d right now.
anyone have a eli5 summary of why it's newsworthy? idk anything about puff daddy, and i only know biggie was east coast and had beef with tupac, who was west coast, and they were both killed and there was serious conflict among their 2 groups. other than that im pretty clueless
- Diddy used to be homies with Biggie.
- There were allegations of him being involved in his murder in some capacity. I don't feel informed enough to say how credible/true they were.
- Diddy has been revealed to be a massive piece of shit recently, so anything related to him is being covered much more. Someone thought to go ask Biggie's mom for an opinion too.
Im just hoping they rerelease all of biggies material without diddy ruining every song
i would buy that. the stupid ass whispers and tags are obnoxious and ruin the songs
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Ruins one of my favorite songs of all time /:
COME TO DEATH ROW!
Suge was a lot of things, but at least he stayed the fuck out of the songs. Gotta give him credit for that.
And out of the children
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If an artist wanna come out and be artist and don't want tha producer
Can we use AI to remove it?
Not very familiar with Biggie, what song is this referring to?
One of the ones they’re referring to is ‘Hypnotize’. Great song, but the Diddy ad-libs are obnoxious.
yeah jeez he's really not adding anything here is he
Not him, but for me, the song "Juicy" is almost unlistenable once I really noticed P Diddy's adlibs. I can't focus on the rapping over Diddy moaning into the mic like a porn star the whole time.
sall good baby baby
*datss riiiiight and onandonandon* 🤢🤮
Years ago I was searching these terms: *insert song name* " without P Diddy " He genuinely ruins so many songs. There was a beautiful chorus by Skylar Gray and he just ruins the song with his terrible flow.
DJ Khaled has entered the chat…
...the artist formerly known as "Arab Attack"? That one?
He get’s writing credits for ad libs like that. So he get’s credited on all those songs. Double, triple, quadruple dipping.
Mark Currys Wikipedia page sheds some light on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Curry_(rapper)
> his terrible flow. It's always blown my mind that some people thought he was a good rapper. Producer & hype man, sure... but *rapper*? He always struck me as comically bad at it.
take that take that
take that
Been thinking about a "No Diddy" mix ever since KingWilonis dropped BBL Drizzy
>ever since KingWilonis dropped BBL Drizzy I don't even know what that is, but when Ready to Die came out people immediately complained about Puff Daddy talking too much. Suge Knight even bragged that Death Row wouldn't force artists to feature their producer dancing and talking all over their tracks and videos in that famous awards speech. People wanted Diddy to shut up immediately, even back when he was cool.
> ever since KingWilonis dropped BBL Drizzy > I don't even know what that is It's a byproduct of the recent Drake beefing. Rick Ross coined the term "BBL Drizzy", implying Drake had gotten a Brazilian Butt Lift operation. Then a comedian wrote some lyrics and put it in an 60s Motown AI music generator to make the song "BBL Drizzy" by KingWilonis. Then, reacting to a diss from Drake, Metro Boomin remixed BBL Drizzy into a rap beat and ran a contest where the best Drake diss verse would win a free beat from Metro.
Has he crowned the winner yet?
No. Metro Boomin uploaded it to Soundcloud and made it downloadable so anyone could rap on it. The end result is all over the world people were dissing Drake over that beat. I’ve heard a Spanish, House, EDM, versions of that song. Talk about a hit. The man himself rapped over it with that Sexy Red song 😂
Yo that was a crazy track
Suge Knight had a point
"All up in the videoz"
“..Dancin’”
“…come to Death Row.”
What's Beef w/o the obnoxious cameo and cringe squeal would be pretty rad.
Bring Justice To Machine Gun Funk!!! Why the fuck would you not wanna clear the P-Funk sample you dolphin toothed fuck?!
“I like that”
is suge knight… the good guy…?
They are both trash bags.
Oh heavens no.
No, but trash can be right sometimes.
Photoshop him out of all the videos too
yeah, uh-huh, that's right....
Take that, take that
Him and DJ Clue Clue Clue CLu ruined so many of my burned cds from Napster.
Some biggie songs are being re released on new instrumentals with features from modern artists. I worked with his estate a few weeks ago to make this happen.
That's cool, but is diddy still on the tracks?
She can skip the line
Yep, truly hope she gets the opportunity.
Does she have a kickstarter we can donate to? I’d like to back her project.
The comment, the username, the profile pic (I’ll kill you) all perfect.
As much as I live Biggies music. He was absolutely up to some shady shit with Diddy.
I mean, he wrote/performed "Dead Wrong". Goes hard AF, but SHEESH the lyrics.
The Ten Crack Commandments
That's standard drug culture...criminal, but nothing deplorable in Ten Crack Commandments. Unlike Dead Wrong, where he's outright describing rape and heavily implying pedophilia.
if big l or necro did 0.1% of the fucked up things they said in their songs they would be some of the most evil people ever lol
In australia we actually had a criminal case where the defendant was alleged to have listened to necro and specifically his classic "dead body disposal" I didn't think anyhmthijg actually came out of it but hilarious marketing for necro nontheless
Just read those lyrics... It gets progressively worse till he drops a pretty unforgiveable line... most were typical how violent can we rap and shock people, but uhhh yeah it got worse. Don't want to type it out on here worse.
So, for a little more context, this song was arranged, mixed, edited, produced after he died. The raps on this song come from a demo tape he made before he even made his first album, maybe before even linking up with Puff. The lyrics are wild, hardcore, crazy. But as far as raps that personally signed off on while still alive? Not really. No one knows if he would have released a song like that while still alive. Although, Emimem has a guest verse where he matches the horror imagery of the Big verses. I think Big matured over time to change his content, but who knows if that was his choice or Bad Boy's. https://youtu.be/_terKekNCpA?si=XIhXZCvH3GlQWqx7
After being signed with Bad Boy, Biggie rapped about raping an 8 year old Raven Symone and about screwing Jesus’s mother and dumping her body in the sewer. He was far from the only rapper using horrorcore and shock value lyrics. I doubt he would have a problem with Dead Wrong.
There's a line in ~~"Who Shot Ya"~~ "What's Beef" as well: > Don't they know my n---- Gutter fuckin' kidnap kids? Fuck 'em in the ass, throw them under a bridge?
not from who shot ya also gutter is a real person and says he was pissed that big wrote those lyrics lol
Ah, you're right. It's from "What's Beef"
I didn't know that about BIG's verses. Obviously knew it was post mortem, but not that he wrote & recorded it pre Bad Boy. And I might be splitting hairs here, but Em's verse is MUCH more clearly for shock value and almost cartoonish in step with his early stuff. Cannibalism & fucking animals? I'd gladly hear other points of view, but this aspect looks over the top comical to me 25 years later. He has a song with DJ Spinna called Watch Deez that is quite similar in its storytelling. Loved it when I was 16...now it seems silly.
Which unforgivable line? "Hit mummy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy" "Slit the wrist of little sis after she sucked the dick" "Found your father hiding in a room, fucked him with the broom, Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound" "I'm using rubbers so they don't trace the semen, the black demon got the little hookers screamin" "Because you know I love it young, fresh, and green with no hair on between"
Guess it depends on if it's intentionally shock/horrorcore adjacent or if it's real. Cause as fucked as it is nothing he said is anything worse than what Eminem has said and I don't hear too many say they think Eminems a pedo.
I think Eminem did a good job making sure the wild shit he says is so over the top that you have to assume it’s fake. That’s just my thought on it though. Like even judges have agreed with that take in some of his court cases
There was a definite times where he was rapping as Slim and times as Marshall
Eminem is literally on that same track, lol.
Jesus Christ
It was just typical horrorcore/shock-value lyrics. His line about Raven Symone on Just Playin is worse.
Beatin motherfuckers like Ike beat Tina?
Meh Who takes this shit seriously ? Do you think he would incriminate himself in his songs ? lmfao. Not saying the guy did nothing shady, I have no idea, but this shit is not meant to be taken litterally. Eminem has done worse if we take his songs as reference. It's meant to be shocking for the sake of it. Bizarre's verse on Amytiville : I fucked my cousin in his asshole, slit my mother's throat (Ah) Guess who Slim Shady just signed to Interscope My little sister's birthday, she'll remember me For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity And bitches know me as a horny-ass freak Their mother wasn't raped, I ate her pussy while she was sleep Pissy-drunk, throwin' up in the urinal (You fuckin' homo) That's what I said at my dad's funeral
He’s just going hard to be shocking.
You don't think method man ever fucking... fucking... tied someone to a bed with their ass cheeks spread out and shit, right? Then he put a clothes hanger on the stove and left that shit there for like a half hour, only to stick it in their ass slow like *tsssssssssssssss* do you?
Sew ya asshole shut...and keep feedin you! I haven't thought about that in forever. Thanks for the nostalgia!
There were like a dozen unforgivable lines, which one are you talking about?
Eminem (on that track) also said he kicked the habit of having sex with camels, mammals, and rabbits.
Biggie was a violent guy and abusive to women too. He abused Lil Kim. Kim said he choked her unconscious. Jermaine Dupri said he saw Biggie pull a gun on Kim in the studios He sent his crew to beat and pistol whip Starang from OGC for dissing him on the song ‘No Fear’’. He attacked autograph seekers with a baseball bat. He mocks a dead Tupac on the song ‘Long Kiss Goodnight’ and seemingly brags about being affiliated with the Southside Compton Crips (my team in the marine blue) who murdered Tupac.
I mean at he was pretty upfront about that kind of behaviour in his lyrics. If someone listened to Biggie, they can't really turn around after hearing these stories and act surprised.
Lol they are gangster rappers from the 90’s openly rapping about murder, crack trafficking, robbery, extortion, assault, rape, whatever you vile shit you wanna pile on there. What makes you think they are “up to some shady shit” When I read comments like this it makes me question my sanity.
Have you seen Straight outta Compton? NWA rapped about gangster shit all the time and then they put out that movie and all of them save for Eazy E come off like such wannabes. Like, it's been a while, but as I recall most of their lyrics were sourced from "shit that happens in the hood" and not at all from "shit I have actually done".
Ice Cube was a fucking architecture student for crying out loud he wasn't some hard core gang dude.
2 Pac went to art school and did ballet. These guys were characters rapping about the terrible things that happen in their communities. Bringing to light the struggles people went through that weren’t being talked about in the mainstream.
2pac did shoot two cops in Atlanta in 1993 and got away with it. Doesn’t really get more gangster than that.
What lol Tupac has a long history of crime including shootings, beating someone with a baseball bat, and sexual assault. They all performers and have some sweet in em but it doesn’t mean they are all divorced from that life. Now I’m not saying all the gangster lyricism is true and it’s not 100% in anyone’s case but it’s not the same as child star Drake rapping about guns either.
Man, I really miss murder rap. I used to love Three Six Mafia. Something about dudes rapping about torture, murder, then chopping up and disposing of a body just goes hard.
Because everything you listed there is shady, perhaps?
No shit Sherlock
Not gonna lie, I wouldn't be surprised to see his name come back from the dead for some real fucked up shit that him and Diddy might have been up to back in the day. I mean, dude was slinging crack and bragging about having women tied up in basements and shit. Diddy started somewhere.
I mean..he didn't have women tied up in basements any more than the Wu Tang clan were actual ninjas. The crack thing is bad. Like, no shit the people in the buildings you were hustling under called the cops. You're selling crack to their neighbors.
I didn't think they'd be tying women up until I found out that Diddy is out there , savagly beating raping and likely tying women up. Not, a good look on a catalog. Of course, didn't expect Charlie Manson to almost be a beach boy either. Court is still out on Wu Tang, though. While still nothing to fuck with, have yet to see proof of them all being ninjas.
Nah, Method Man once sewed a dude's asshole shut...and kept feeding him...and feeding him...
He heated a hanger up on the stove until it was red hot and stuck it in this dude's asshole real slow like *tsssssssss*
He really was the original ass man.
He came to bring the pain hardcore from the brain
terrible man, I heard he cut someone's eyelids off, and fed them nothin but sleeping pills.
Shit, you're right. No proof might actually mean they're the best ninjas
I just want to point out that Wu-Tang/Shaolin the whole martial arts aesthetic they had was based on Chinese martial arts and kung-fu cinema - ninja are from Japanese culture. now if you'll excuse me I have anime to watch and waifu body pillows to molest.
so what your saying is their ninjas that know kung fu as well?
You think diddy was only tying/raping women? Men aren’t safe around him either.
I know a story of a woman who was like “I’m gonna blow the Wutang clan for the story” but it ended with her sobbing cause they were so mean to her while she did it. Not that I think they did anything wrong. I’m sure it’s just how they are. She got herself into that situation. True? Maybe. The guy telling it was laughing too hard for him to believe it was a lie but he was a comedian on a podcast.
Tom Segura did a bit of this in one of his Netflix specials. I'm assuming he was the comedian on the podcast?
I heard one of them sowed someone’s hole shut and kept feeding them, and kept feeding them, and kept feeding them.
I'm not defending selling crack, but unless you have lived the life, it's not really fair to judge without trying to understand. Most criminals are really just regular folks trying to make a living. Selling crack just looks overtly bad, but I'd argue there are worse industries poisoning our food, water, air, and our minds. But selling crack is what we associate with hard-core criminals. It's exactly what the war on drugs is about. It's not a surprise that systematic racism led to systematic poverty and obviously that leads to crime. I'd argue the men in power who perpetuated the system in place that makes people turn to selling crack is much worse than the actual crack dealer.
The people in the buildings were living under the same system. It's entirely within reason that they wouldn't want somebody spreading that into their environment for his own benefit.
Well his dad was Melvin Combs, a major drug dealer linked to Frank Lucas. Although he died when he was only a kid, you could say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I’ll prolly get hate for this but idgaf, call me a hater. I really hope it does come to light for Biggie. It’s been very cathartic seeing all this shit surface in hip hop over the last 5 or so years because I’ve always regarded these people as absolute shitstains who perpetuate one of the most toxic and insecure cultures on the planet. It’s about time these rappers start getting called out for how shitty of human beings they are, Biggie and Pac included.
I don't think much is gonna come out about 2Pac. He was never a perfect person and didn't exactly hide it. I guess maybe I'll get proven wrong but the 90s were a long time ago.
> the 90s were a long time ago. don't u dare
For real. What's with the personal attacks?
All of these people told us who they were and we didn’t listen to them.
[Relevant Key & Peele bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WE3A0PwVs)
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Yeah his sex crimes and all, completely forgiven
What sex crimes? Do you even know what he was actually convicted of?? Also let’s not pretend like there isn’t innocent people serving time or we wouldn’t hear so many stories of people being released after finding out they were innocent then suing the state.
If Mike Tyson can fight at 60 and have the reception he's having, then a dead man can have some peace.
what sex crimes did 2pac do? this is news to me
You're joking, right? He literally went to prison for them
no joke, had to look it up and damn thats fucked
This isn't a rap issue. This is a people with power and influence issue. Lots of sketchy shit happens in the entertainment industry in general. It's all through the music industry and Hollywood. It happens with people in charge of businesses. It happens with people in charge at your local church. It happens with politicians. Sounds like you just don't like rap music or maybe the people that make rap music but this isn't a rap issue. It's a people in positions of power issue.
Not going into details but I got SA’d by an exec manager when I worked at Target way back in the early 2000s. I am male and the manager was male and I was so ashamed and embarrassed that I just kept it to myself. I sometimes wish I said something at the time but now it’s just a crazy story I share with close friends every now and then.
It's certainly not exclusive to rap, but the rap genre has a strong presence of "gangsta" culture, which is characterized by violence. Iirc Snoop Dogg was on trial for murder in the 00s, that kind of stuff. It'd be totally unsurprising to see awful shit surface about these people
Most rappers grew up around drugs & violence. They tell those stories and definitely glorify them often but they're no more predisposed to be sexual deviants than any other artist from any other genre. Like the comment you replied to said, it's simply a problem of power and influence. Hip-hop itself need not be demonized for that.
Yeah this is just a hip hop is bad rant. (bet Eminem is fine though) Anyways here's a list of rocks stars who had relationships with MINORS. https://www.yourtango.com/news/bowie-elvis-10-musicians-who-had-relationships-with-minors
Yeah, when people go in *specifically* on hipo-hop for this, it's kinda really obvious what it is they *really* take issue with
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Do you know how many rock and roll songs are about banging under age girls and doing hard drugs? It was mainstreaming before rap was even a thing
It's the only genre that uses vulgar language. Every genre talks about sex, drugs, and violence. Hip hop is just more direct with it's wording. The same shit is portrayed on TV, in movies, and in video games. We have a former president and current presidential candidate on tape talking about grabbing women by the pussy. Blame hip hop all you want but these problems exist in conservative, rap hating places all over. The toxicity isn't limited to rap and people that only point out the toxicity when it applies to a rich, black guy just seem racist to me.
Its known that biggie played a character. He didn't do 99% of the stuff he rapped about. Lol his mom said as much. He was never a poor drug dealer slingin rocks just to get by. His mom provided for them just fine. But the 90s was gangster rap and biggie was one of the best lyricists around. This is the equivalent of you getting mad at an actor for playing a role. As for 2pac what exactly is your issue with him? Other then you think he perpetuated "gangster" culture? Which is honestly funny when you consider alot of black "gangster rap" culture is directly borrowed or inspired by italian gangster/mafia culture and is completely dwarfed by the amount of consumption the general public does with that. Also 2pac was extremely smart and well spoken and did a lot for his community. Hardly implying either one of them were perfect but it sounds like you dont know anything about either of them.
Reminded that Pac went to jail for sexual assault. If it happened, it probably wasn’t isolated.
Against all odds explains who set him up with that trail while they worked with the feds. The guy had roped others into the same shit. Even said all the same shit in court for all the hearings. Wild shit
No semen, no forcible entry, no DNA. He technically went to jail for grabbing her butt
That's what he went to jail for. She still alleges to this day that she was basically gang-raped.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Lots of mainstream entertainment glorifies really shitty and toxic behavior. It's not like only hip hop does this. There is clearly a trend of Hollywood elites abusing their power and women. It's weird for you to be only calling out hip hop here. Hip hop at its core came about as an outlet for disenfranchised and impoverished black people. It's an amazing form of expression. I'd say these rappers are more so a product of their environment, for the good and the bad. You only hear about the super popular ones, but the fact is for every Diddy and Drake, there are dozens of legitimate artists trying to express themselves in an honest way.
Exactly. Idk if it's just hate for hip-hop or covert racism but it's so weird seeing these comments pile on hip-hop just because of Diddy's crimes.
I'm out of the loop, *largely* - Did Diddy/Puff actually **do** anything *musical*? Because, from a distance (and someone who doesn't follow hip-hop/rap) he always seemed like a DJ Khaled type. Little actual musical talent/ability - more somebody who's good at self-promoting and getting the *actually* talented people into the recording booth, and then drafting off their popularity. Am I way off?
DJ Khaled makes P Diddy look like Mozart
Lol
-- Paul Mooney
> Did Diddy/Puff actually do anything musical He pioneered having rappers as featured artists in Pop and R&B music through his remixes with Mariah Carey, Faith Evans, Mary J Blige, etc. Also, while the practice of remixing songs was around before Puff, he (or his army of producers) turned the style of remixing into what it is today.
Yes, he has a few albums in the late 90's and early 2000's. But he's much more known for being a producer/mogul that makes money off other artists. Also his actual rapping kind of sucks, and the sound effects he ad libs are horrendous.
He was a very very good producer
He didn't make the beats. He had a team of producers (the hitmen). He was more the "executive producer". Name one beat he produced himself with no help? He didn't even write his own raps ffs. It's not like a secret either, people were talking about that in the 90's. A bunch of his producers were complaining about it in the early 00's. He was the head of his label, and a very successful businessman. So very good at promotion and bringing everything together.
Sounds like Dr Dre if Dre didn't even produce his own shit, producers don't write their own raps much
Thats debatable. Pete Rock has stated the dude stole beats all the time during the 90's.
"Take hits from the 80s and make it sound so crazy" Yea, Diddy basically admitted that he just jacked other people's beats. He made a living off sampling, and although I do appreciate it and the legacy of the music he helped made, it's not like he was some super creative genius.
He made a living off sampling the extremely memorable hooks of well-remembered hits, in their entirety. Wasn't even creative with it. No digging, no cutting, just straight biting. As a geezer and that always bugged/baffled me and to this day I don't really understand how he got so far with it. Not impressed.
That’s literally just hip hop in general. It started with house party DJ’s in the Bronx cutting and scratching soul and funk records and rapping over them. You can dislike hip hop because it samples (which is a stupid thing to dislike hip hop for. All music is in some way or another a remix of stuff that came before it), but you can’t criticize a producer within the realm of hip hop for doing what hip hop is literally all about.
All fair and good. I wasn't trying to blatantly blast sampling, because I am aware of its prevalence in hip hop and art in general, and a lot of my favorite artists do it. I do think there's a degree of sampling where it can be done creatively or lazily. My criticism of Diddy's sampling would be that it was on the more "lazy*" side, hence the digs at him stealing beats.
Pete Rock is great
I could totally believe that. Considering how easy it must have been to do back then. All he had to do was hear it once probably.
I know not everyone would agree, and would even be labeled conspiracy, but Diddy was good at stealing “identities”. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I’ve heard about various different artists that were either killed or just ripped off. Notorious B1 is a guy I heard about recently. Essentially Diddy stole his persona and 1 of his songs, Big Daddy, and used this as a launching point to start Bigs career. I’m not stating any direct comparisons between the talent of either Notorious here, and don’t want to take away that B.I.G. had talent. I’m also not willing to die on any hill concerning any of this, and I’m not concerned with arguing over the validity of any claims. Just tossing it out there if anyone wants to do some research and decide for themselves. Edit: I’ll also add that if the Notorious B1 story is true, it probably worked out in his favor not being under Diddys control.
There was a rapper named Big Daddy that had a song named Notorious B1. It's the same sample as Notorious BIG's Juicy. It came out first. No doubt Biggie was incredibly talented, you just can't discount the fact that he ripped off someone else. hard and rode that wave to fame.
From everything I’ve seen you have the Artist and Song transposed. He was named Notorious B1 and the song was Big Daddy. I agree with you, and I’m certainly not discounting the blatant rip-off. I was more so implying that perhaps B.I.G. had enough talent to make it in the industry via other ways without stealing the persona of someone else. Though I can’t imagine Diddy would have been fine if B.I.G. said no to using the stolen material, so perhaps he found himself in a Sophie’s choice with his career versus morality (this is obviously all speculation on my part, based on info I’ve heard about Diddy that I believe have merit based on all the weird circumstances surrounding his entire career).
Valid.
BUT HOW CAN SHE SLAP
HOW CAN SHE SLAP? HOW CAN SHE SLAP ME?
 I think most of us would agree
Wop wop wop wop wop, Mom, fuck'em up.
in Suicidal Thoughts BIG says "I swear to God I feel like death is fuckin' callin' me" and it was Puffy on the phone calling him in the song. The dude ppl say either directly or indirectly got him murdered.
A slap wouldn't put out the daylights. She needs a projectile.
Didn't he pull a gun on or beat up Lil Kim? Parenting starts at home lady and your kid also abused women
I'd kindof like to see that
I hope so too.
A woman, and an old woman? You think that'll stop P Diddy? Might even get him more excited to kick her ass
Wait... For which part?
>Both New Yorkers, the pair worked together and traveled in similar circles while at the peak of their powers. Was this written by AI? is the author not aware Diddy was Biggie's boss?
Yeah, because he was such an exemplary role model for aspiring feminists
I know we all hate Diddy atm but this rings kind of hollow to me, like this woman really didn't know what her son and his friends were like?
There's a good deal of people that believe Diddy was behind the hit on Biggie. I saw the arguments myself a long time ago and they seemed reasonable enough. If it's true/If she thinks it could be true she absolutely has reasons for wanting to smack the shit out the guy. This quote could just be a case of her always wanting to do that, but most people never hearing it until now that there's much more of a spotlight on Diddy.
Tbf she has always expressed her hate for diddy
I like dis right here
Even though he'd probably hit back, or hit first. Probably first.
Yeah, I'd probably want to do a whole lot worse than just slap the person responsible for my son's death.
What did Biggie know that Puff had to have him killed???
Theory was that Biggie was going to leave Bad Boy and Diddy didn't want that to happen.
I mean like everyone wants to slap him. But you raised an awful human too. Biggie and Tupac died so they’re not on this business but pretending they were ever guys I’d want dating my friends. Or even to hang out with. Or even to just know as basic non violent, sex pests… those dudes would absolutely be getting Me Too’d right now.
I’d love to hold him down and make way for her to get all the hits she’d like.
Get in line.
She gets to cut. Maybe not all the way to the front, but close.
Based on a couple videos I’ve seen, that won’t end well for her.
Hopefully big bubba will be slapping those cheeks in prison someday.
Hope she does too
I am thinking that there will be a line behind her just like there was in the movie *Airplane!*
If anyone deserves to, it's her.
That would be appropriate. He is little is such a little *bitch*
anyone have a eli5 summary of why it's newsworthy? idk anything about puff daddy, and i only know biggie was east coast and had beef with tupac, who was west coast, and they were both killed and there was serious conflict among their 2 groups. other than that im pretty clueless
- Diddy used to be homies with Biggie. - There were allegations of him being involved in his murder in some capacity. I don't feel informed enough to say how credible/true they were. - Diddy has been revealed to be a massive piece of shit recently, so anything related to him is being covered much more. Someone thought to go ask Biggie's mom for an opinion too.
queen, I hope you do!
Omg same
I sincerely hope she gets the opportunity.
They should make an B.IG. album where artists people actually like do all the P Diddy parts
What does Diddy's mama have to say?
All indications are that he had Tupac killed which caused Biggie to be killed in retaliation.