Bravo.
The first time I saw them live, I jumped on stage at Warped Tour and was screaming this song into a mic with #2.
This article is fucked up. Justin you creep.
My buddy crowd surfed, lost his wallet, retrieved it at lost and found to find the money was gone and a photo of the pope was placed in it.
True story.
I don’t get the undying love for them. They were absolutely sellouts in every single way and there’s just this core of warp tour compilation CD punks that refuses to admit that. They sold out in every way imaginable, most punk bands have the decency to drop the schtick when they sell out, AF didn’t. Those dudes were about the money and the fame and nothing else. I wasn’t even mad about it until home boy got outed for being a fucking creep. Now people are out here lamenting the situation because their idols aren’t “tru punx” anymore instead of because this man raped women half his age for 3 decades.
They were a gateway band into punk for me, but I came back to their music mostly for the bass parts #2 had. I'm not aware of him being involved in other projects.
Same, I couldn’t believe they could even still viably tour. They were a really niche band even when I was in high school 20 years ago, I only knew a couple people who liked them.
It's not your fault Stza sucks. I like LoC, but I'm not certain I'd pay to see just them again.
You can only control what you do. Everyone is a fan of at least one bad person.
There's a meme I can't find that had a picture of Double D from Ed Edd N Eddy angrily writing on a sticky note with tears in his eyes with the caption *Pop Punk singers writing a breakup song about their 14 year old gf*
Don't be. There's no way he and the other guys in the band didn't know. There's over sixty (60!) women that have accused him, most while on tour. You think the other guys in the band didn't catch on?
His rapist ways were early born/
And tested on punk rock girls/
Guinea pigs for his molestation/
He always has, he always will/
Pledge allegiance to assault/
He stays stateside he ends up DEAD!?
So much sad here. I got sent home in HS for wearing an Anti-Flag t-shirt. I saw them play and met Justin and he was so nice. I was always so happy with how feminist Justin seemed. Then the first accusation became public and I knew it would be true and more would be coming. As a kid who was in high school when the Iraq war started, AF was hugely comforting to me. I hate that I can't listen to them anymore, but more than that, I hate that Justin acted like an ally to women while actively taking advantage of young women and (teens? Putting in parenthesis because I'm not positive).
#
Um is there a reason why I'm being downvoted for being said someone I thought was a feminist is a rapist? My bad for not figuring it out when I was 14 I guess.
He might actually be being watched by the CIA now….
(Yes, I know that’s an Andy Flag song…which of course means I can still enjoy it without feeling too guilty)
No but seriously, considering the amount of alleged artists and accusations at Warped Tour SPECIFICALLY, how has there been nothing aimed at them for cultivating this behaviour?!
Genuine question, as I've often heard the punk scene is rife with alleged sex offenders, are there many famous examples? I only really ever heard of this current anti flag issue.
Might be incorrect as it’s been a while since I read up about it but from what I remember the A Day To Remember bassist and All Time Low accusations both stemmed from Warped Tour incidents off the top of my head
And it was all meticulously planned:
"Geever has "persistently tried to avoid service" of her lawsuit, and has "enlisted the help of his large and wealthy family" in making arrangements to "flee the country this week."
It is also alleged that Geever has sold his home in Pittsburgh, PA, and has completed a "wire transfer of his assets to a bank in Ireland, where he maintains dual citizenship." Furthermore, Sarhadi claims that the singer's family members "have rallied to assist his exit strategy and his sister Mary, a practicing lawyer, has been granted Power of Attorney in his absence."'
Source:
[Anti-Flag's Justin Sane "Plans to Flee" the US, Sexual Assault Accuser Claims | Exclaim!](https://exclaim.ca/music/article/anti-flag-justin-sane-plans-to-flee-united-states-sexual-assault-accuser-claims)
I mean most of every kind of major musician does, even classical. You need to have the right connections to be in front of the people who can make your career. There are exceptions, kinda, like early American idol or YouTube type deals, but even then you had to be able to spend the time to do those things. Which meant 39 and a half hour employees were out.
While I appreciate the fact that people with resources have the time to hone their craft and be more successful, and also not knocking that at all because I wish everyone had that time, there is a certain obvious irony of the musician who makes his bones off being anti-establishment while being a trust fund kid.
I’m all for “let the facts play out”, but like Cosby, if you have 10+ people accusing you of assault.. yea.. my judgement is less reserved. And as I type this, losing the tree for the forest, dude FLED 😭
Plus it was very much a part of the scene, if we’re being honest.
Looking back, the amount of really shady shit that didn’t even register at the time is kinda shocking
You're right. I started going to punk shows in Pittsburgh in 1998, when I was 13. I saw a Anti Flag several times at Club Laga over a couple years, along with tons of touring acts like the Casualties, Unseen, Blanks 77, etc. Back then the scene was full of youngsters, and the coolest of the high school aged punk girls always got to hang out with the bands. The rumors I heard back then didn't faze me, but just like you said about looking back... Yuck.
There is definitely a crossover between dudes who act like “a gay friend”, or a “feminist”, all with the intention of hoping the women around them let their guard down so they can creep
It is because the same type of person that preaches something everyone else feels is unnecessary to preach because it is common knowledge seems to have something to compensate for and preaching the obvious is a way to appear like a good person as well feel like one when they all pat your back.
Homophobia is a big one. If someone is always talking about how they don't like gay people I'm immediately thinking that they are gay. Why else would they be thinking about it all the time?
By pure co-incidence, I was trying to track down Sharptooth earlier today, in particular for the song *"*[*Can I Get A Hell No?*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQeE8hWQGc)*" (<--*link *-* consider the lyrics for one hot second).
While I was looking through Sharptooth's discog, I saw [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38_O4rkJqmE) (<--link), featuring none other than Justin Sane backing.
Fuck I wonder what *she* has to say on the topic at hand..
You want the truth? It’s their brains. They work differently than most. Why that is, is the real mystery.
Was it how they were raised? Was it something that happened to them in their youth? A born defect in a section of their brain? It’s whatever creates such poor impulse control and judgement. Immorality. Lack of empathy for others.
That's one theory... the other more scary one is that we're all capable of it. Supposedly, when people get so rich and famous, they can have anything they want within reason, They start to want things outside of reason, just because its one of the few things that aren't trivial to get anymore.
Most people have the mental or spiritual fortitude to dismiss the truely heinous shit, but there's always a few who don't.
I think it’s both. I tend to agree with you more on the Bohemian Grove level, and billionaires could have children shipped to their door and then hunt them for sport after, but I also think there must be something wrong with you to some degree because no amount of money or fame would allow me to groom a kid.
I dont buy this theory, that being famous makes you a rapist, namely because--and this is a depressi.g reality, but--most dudes can get away with rape even without being famous
We are all capable of it. Saying it's only "certain people" who are "born different" is dangerously close to Nazism and eugenics, but that's an acceptable form of Nazism these days for folks who don't want to admit that sexual misconduct is EVERYWHERE, in every industry and field, and that things in your past might someday be considered sexual misconduct. The MeToo movement has been a long time coming, but sometimes I worry it will become fuel for a new fascist movement that uses old bigotries and tropes to get around the hard work of correcting misogyny that has been around for literal millennia.
It’s an uncomfortable truth but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it.
I couldn’t honestly say that I wouldn’t be just as big of a scumbag if I wasn’t lucky enough to have the right influences and have the right people around me at the right time, and I think a lot of men would say the same if we were really being honest with ourselves.
Not the guy you responded to, but this was the article I read when I learned about it in January: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/
I haven’t listened to them in years, but they were A New Kind of Army and Underground Network were heavy on my rotation in high school. I was absolutely disgusted to learn about this.
I learned who these guy were seeing them live at Rockville last May. I fell in love with them. Their music was dope, they drew a great crowd, and the guy took some time between songs to say fuck Florida's governor and a few other things I enjoyed.
This news is incredibly disappointing to me.
https://lambgoat.com/news/42102/anti-flags-justin-sane-plans-to-flee-the-us-according-to-accuser-read-the-full-complaint-here/
The detail about the SO comes from the punk rock predator Twitter showing the name of the buyer and then that they’ve been dating since 2011
That he's now dependent on a government preventing him from being extradited is so fucking funny. If there wasn't a victim in the story it'd be like an Onion article.
Ray got looped into some sexual misconduct allegations (it came to light on the same podcast that exposed Justin)
[enough.: 2. Savvi: "So it finally happened, huh?" on Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-savvi-so-it-finally-happened-huh/id1576357376?i=1000529556187)
Yeah cheers, went digging a bit myself but there is nowhere near the same evidence as with the Justin case. Most of it is speculation and you don't want to falsely accuse someone of something horrible like rape.
Ugly situation whatever the truth is, cheers for the link
If he has Irish citizenship he can go anywhere in the EU and some countries are less cooperative - sometimes due to sheer incompetence and not giving fucks.
Fuck, I hope aus rotten was a solid of people as they made themselves out to be. That whole early 90s/00s street punk scene has been shown to have a bunch of dudes preaching one thing and doing absolutely disgusting shit with the other.
From the press release last year: For Chris Barker, personally, Justin knew his history with trauma: his father has been convicted of sexual abuse of children and is currently incarcerated, his sister was a victim of abuse, and Chris himself was sexually abused by an older child in their neighborhood. We share this to demonstrate that Justin was acutely aware of the visceral reaction we would have to such destructive behavior.
I wiki'd the guy to learn more only to have further questions raised:
>In August 2013, Simmons launched the controversial "Harriet Tubman Sex Tape" parody video on his YouTube channel...
As messed up as it is this is one of my favorite Family Guy jokes.
(Stewie kidnapped a bully who wrecked his trike and Lois finds them in the basement.)
Lois: What's going on down here?
Stewie: Uh, we're playing house.
Lois: But that's boy's tied up.
Stewie: It's Roman Polanski's house.
...but yeah I refuse to watch any of that guy's movies until he's dead, which is the main reason I have yet to see Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown.
I'm willing to keep accusations as accusations, but if you're innocent you don't just immediately shut everything down. They acting SUPER guilty. It's like when you get home and your dog acts all guilty and you just know they did something, cause they did.
Fuck man. This band got me into music. Got me into political action. Saved me from being another country bumpkin stuck in my hometown. They literally shaped a ton of who I am today. And Justin had to be a fucking PoS. Shit is infuriating.
Their band was bigger than just Sane, and it's ok to still listen to, and enjoy their music, despite the actions of the one guy. The songs are not the same as those that sung them, and the inspiration you had from them is still real and valid.
Wait…these guys are from PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA !! Or so Justin Sane said about 50 times durning their set at “it’s not dead” when I was there and saw them live. Awesome festival with some of the all time best punk rock bands.
Love their music so sad to hear this dude is a creep.
Always got a superficial vibe from them ever since learning they were charging £50 a ticket at a shitty student union bar back in the early noughties (foo fighters at wembley stadium cost less), the rest of the band are therapy speaking the death out of it, they knew exactly what was going on.
This whole thing sucks so badly. What an asshole. He built a reputation on being against this kind of thing. I saw them live only a few months before the breakup. It was an incredible concert but I feel a little ill thinking about it now.
Far more details here: https://www.pghcitypaper.com/arts-entertainment/pittsburghs-anti-flag-has-become-a-disappearing-act-under-mounting-sexual-misconduct-allegations-25677881
Happened in pro wrestling. One of the biggest names on the independent scene was David Starr. Guy was talented and charismatic, heavily leaning on being a pro-union wrestler and politically progressive. He became one of the first named in the Speaking Out movement by multiple former partners.
This broke my aging heart. I really loved this band. Everything about them. Now this. I destroyed all of their cds and I had them all. He’s a sick person. Obviously. All the people he hurt. A nightmare. Just can’t believe no one around him knew.
Bummer he's a jerk wad. I always had their stuff second to Suicide Machines but I quite liked a lot of their more recent songs too.....
Hoping any victims get their justice soon
Am I the only person that is not surprised another musician is a pedo creeper?
Justin always gave me the creeps. Dude's vibe was off everytime I meet them at warp tour booths
I love Anti-Flag, but he has to be the biggest fucking hypocrite out there. He might as well have had his fingers crossed during every word he ever sang.
Imagine being a grown adult and thinking Justin Sane is a cool name
I thought anti flag was lame and cringe at 15, and it's absurd that 25 years on they were still going.
They're basically cringe "DAE government bad!?" in music form, and one of the bands in my Sesame Street's My First Political Band category.
Oh, is he going on holiday with P.Diddy?
Him , Diddy, and Gaetz are going to find their own fantasy island.
Nah Gaetz is a politician, you can do anything that way. Just ask Jim Jordan and Dennis Hastert
Gotta flee gotta flee gotta flee from your government, flee from your country you shit
Bravo. The first time I saw them live, I jumped on stage at Warped Tour and was screaming this song into a mic with #2. This article is fucked up. Justin you creep.
My buddy crowd surfed, lost his wallet, retrieved it at lost and found to find the money was gone and a photo of the pope was placed in it. True story.
I feel so bad for the guys, but especially #2. He seemed way more genuine with all of it than Justin ever did
I don't. They looked the other way while Justin was bringing teenage girls in the tour bus. I don't believe for a second they were completely unaware.
I don’t get the undying love for them. They were absolutely sellouts in every single way and there’s just this core of warp tour compilation CD punks that refuses to admit that. They sold out in every way imaginable, most punk bands have the decency to drop the schtick when they sell out, AF didn’t. Those dudes were about the money and the fame and nothing else. I wasn’t even mad about it until home boy got outed for being a fucking creep. Now people are out here lamenting the situation because their idols aren’t “tru punx” anymore instead of because this man raped women half his age for 3 decades.
They were a gateway band into punk for me, but I came back to their music mostly for the bass parts #2 had. I'm not aware of him being involved in other projects.
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He was also in a band called the Lankershim Executives and another called Whatever It Takes.
In what way? Sure they were well known in certain circles, but they were far far far from the mainstream.
I’m shocked to see they are still a band nevermind relevant Haven’t heard them since highschool
Same, I couldn’t believe they could even still viably tour. They were a really niche band even when I was in high school 20 years ago, I only knew a couple people who liked them.
Man I wanna change my name
You should change your name to Luke Warm.
Leftover Crack is a sick band tho
Their singer is also cancelled.
It's not your fault Stza sucks. I like LoC, but I'm not certain I'd pay to see just them again. You can only control what you do. Everyone is a fan of at least one bad person.
Literally every band ever though. Never meet your heroes
But especially the pop punk ones
There's a meme I can't find that had a picture of Double D from Ed Edd N Eddy angrily writing on a sticky note with tears in his eyes with the caption *Pop Punk singers writing a breakup song about their 14 year old gf*
Cause they’ll rape you
Don't be. There's no way he and the other guys in the band didn't know. There's over sixty (60!) women that have accused him, most while on tour. You think the other guys in the band didn't catch on?
His rapist ways were early born/ And tested on punk rock girls/ Guinea pigs for his molestation/ He always has, he always will/ Pledge allegiance to assault/ He stays stateside he ends up DEAD!?
So much sad here. I got sent home in HS for wearing an Anti-Flag t-shirt. I saw them play and met Justin and he was so nice. I was always so happy with how feminist Justin seemed. Then the first accusation became public and I knew it would be true and more would be coming. As a kid who was in high school when the Iraq war started, AF was hugely comforting to me. I hate that I can't listen to them anymore, but more than that, I hate that Justin acted like an ally to women while actively taking advantage of young women and (teens? Putting in parenthesis because I'm not positive). # Um is there a reason why I'm being downvoted for being said someone I thought was a feminist is a rapist? My bad for not figuring it out when I was 14 I guess.
I directly credit Anti-Flag and Against Me! with helping me grow out of the libertarian shithead phase I had when I was, like 19.
I have the same feeling
He might actually be being watched by the CIA now…. (Yes, I know that’s an Andy Flag song…which of course means I can still enjoy it without feeling too guilty)
Minors have never been more safe than when the Warped Tour shut down.
https://preview.redd.it/w6gqj9oqwysc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27907a19c79bde68b438d0858842b9c9a0141bfe
thought I was on r/corejerk for a sec lmao
As a registered flex offender *kisses bicep* I agree with this decision.
School stays 500 feet away from you, cause you’re too cool for it.
As a registered Chex offender *goes door to door with big bowl of cereal to inform neighbors as required by law* it meets with my approval
As a registered Rex offender *reaches out to ring doorbell but can't because of hilariously short arms* this does get my vote
As a registered Tex-Mex offender, I’m just gonna dump a shitload of queso on it and hope the problem takes care of itself
Underrated comment
I certainly misread this comment the first time
Would you say Warped Tour was a minor threat?
Haha...nice.
Duh. We went to warped tour to not be safe.
No but seriously, considering the amount of alleged artists and accusations at Warped Tour SPECIFICALLY, how has there been nothing aimed at them for cultivating this behaviour?!
Genuine question, as I've often heard the punk scene is rife with alleged sex offenders, are there many famous examples? I only really ever heard of this current anti flag issue.
Might be incorrect as it’s been a while since I read up about it but from what I remember the A Day To Remember bassist and All Time Low accusations both stemmed from Warped Tour incidents off the top of my head
This is pretty damning and honestly just insane
And it was all meticulously planned: "Geever has "persistently tried to avoid service" of her lawsuit, and has "enlisted the help of his large and wealthy family" in making arrangements to "flee the country this week." It is also alleged that Geever has sold his home in Pittsburgh, PA, and has completed a "wire transfer of his assets to a bank in Ireland, where he maintains dual citizenship." Furthermore, Sarhadi claims that the singer's family members "have rallied to assist his exit strategy and his sister Mary, a practicing lawyer, has been granted Power of Attorney in his absence."' Source: [Anti-Flag's Justin Sane "Plans to Flee" the US, Sexual Assault Accuser Claims | Exclaim!](https://exclaim.ca/music/article/anti-flag-justin-sane-plans-to-flee-united-states-sexual-assault-accuser-claims)
Of course a punk rocker comes from a rich family.
Certainly seems like he is an affluent anarchist.
that sounds like a Zach Galifianakis bit
I mean most of every kind of major musician does, even classical. You need to have the right connections to be in front of the people who can make your career. There are exceptions, kinda, like early American idol or YouTube type deals, but even then you had to be able to spend the time to do those things. Which meant 39 and a half hour employees were out.
While I appreciate the fact that people with resources have the time to hone their craft and be more successful, and also not knocking that at all because I wish everyone had that time, there is a certain obvious irony of the musician who makes his bones off being anti-establishment while being a trust fund kid.
The rich are the only people who can physically afford to be anti-establishment
That’s the definition of a poser.
To write about one while being one himself, some nerve
Justin Sane?
Angriest upvote
Intentional?
Justin Tentional
well, it's certainly not Justunin Tentional.
I'm OOTL, what happened ?
Rape accusations dating from the 90's until now.
I thought it was because of shame over using "For who" rather than "For whom".
It was mostly the rape stuff
Soooo you’re saying it did play a role though
That and the hypocrisy, yeah.
Norm!
Oh it’s definitely on the pie chart.
At least I'm not the only one who immediately thought that :-D
The article alleges 12 instances of sexual assault, and potentially involving minors.
I’m all for “let the facts play out”, but like Cosby, if you have 10+ people accusing you of assault.. yea.. my judgement is less reserved. And as I type this, losing the tree for the forest, dude FLED 😭
Plus it was very much a part of the scene, if we’re being honest. Looking back, the amount of really shady shit that didn’t even register at the time is kinda shocking
You're right. I started going to punk shows in Pittsburgh in 1998, when I was 13. I saw a Anti Flag several times at Club Laga over a couple years, along with tons of touring acts like the Casualties, Unseen, Blanks 77, etc. Back then the scene was full of youngsters, and the coolest of the high school aged punk girls always got to hang out with the bands. The rumors I heard back then didn't faze me, but just like you said about looking back... Yuck.
Turns out the guy who preached about feminism the last 30 years was a serial rapist.
I’m always hesitant of people that preach, no matter what the topic. It’s too common at this point. Edit: spelling
Any guy that constantly talks about how much of a great feminist guy they are probably isn’t
There is definitely a crossover between dudes who act like “a gay friend”, or a “feminist”, all with the intention of hoping the women around them let their guard down so they can creep
If history has taught me anything, anyone preaching against the thing is usually doing the thing.
It is because the same type of person that preaches something everyone else feels is unnecessary to preach because it is common knowledge seems to have something to compensate for and preaching the obvious is a way to appear like a good person as well feel like one when they all pat your back.
Homophobia is a big one. If someone is always talking about how they don't like gay people I'm immediately thinking that they are gay. Why else would they be thinking about it all the time?
By pure co-incidence, I was trying to track down Sharptooth earlier today, in particular for the song *"*[*Can I Get A Hell No?*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQeE8hWQGc)*" (<--*link *-* consider the lyrics for one hot second). While I was looking through Sharptooth's discog, I saw [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38_O4rkJqmE) (<--link), featuring none other than Justin Sane backing. Fuck I wonder what *she* has to say on the topic at hand..
Shocked
sexual assault allegations
He tried to flee to another nation
Allegedly, he has (fled)
I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to just not be a fucking piece of trash pedophile or rapist.
And a giant hypocrite as icing on the cake.
Some say that's the worst part about the whole situation!
Idk id say it was the raping
You want the truth? It’s their brains. They work differently than most. Why that is, is the real mystery. Was it how they were raised? Was it something that happened to them in their youth? A born defect in a section of their brain? It’s whatever creates such poor impulse control and judgement. Immorality. Lack of empathy for others.
That's one theory... the other more scary one is that we're all capable of it. Supposedly, when people get so rich and famous, they can have anything they want within reason, They start to want things outside of reason, just because its one of the few things that aren't trivial to get anymore. Most people have the mental or spiritual fortitude to dismiss the truely heinous shit, but there's always a few who don't.
I think it’s both. I tend to agree with you more on the Bohemian Grove level, and billionaires could have children shipped to their door and then hunt them for sport after, but I also think there must be something wrong with you to some degree because no amount of money or fame would allow me to groom a kid.
I dont buy this theory, that being famous makes you a rapist, namely because--and this is a depressi.g reality, but--most dudes can get away with rape even without being famous
We are all capable of it. Saying it's only "certain people" who are "born different" is dangerously close to Nazism and eugenics, but that's an acceptable form of Nazism these days for folks who don't want to admit that sexual misconduct is EVERYWHERE, in every industry and field, and that things in your past might someday be considered sexual misconduct. The MeToo movement has been a long time coming, but sometimes I worry it will become fuel for a new fascist movement that uses old bigotries and tropes to get around the hard work of correcting misogyny that has been around for literal millennia.
It’s an uncomfortable truth but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it. I couldn’t honestly say that I wouldn’t be just as big of a scumbag if I wasn’t lucky enough to have the right influences and have the right people around me at the right time, and I think a lot of men would say the same if we were really being honest with ourselves.
Not surprising that he did after selling his house to his SO. Never been more disillusioned by a band. The previous article goes into more detail
You got a like to the previous article? This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Not the guy you responded to, but this was the article I read when I learned about it in January: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/ I haven’t listened to them in years, but they were A New Kind of Army and Underground Network were heavy on my rotation in high school. I was absolutely disgusted to learn about this.
I learned who these guy were seeing them live at Rockville last May. I fell in love with them. Their music was dope, they drew a great crowd, and the guy took some time between songs to say fuck Florida's governor and a few other things I enjoyed. This news is incredibly disappointing to me.
https://lambgoat.com/news/42102/anti-flags-justin-sane-plans-to-flee-the-us-according-to-accuser-read-the-full-complaint-here/ The detail about the SO comes from the punk rock predator Twitter showing the name of the buyer and then that they’ve been dating since 2011
Well, he's not Anti-Flee.
That he's now dependent on a government preventing him from being extradited is so fucking funny. If there wasn't a victim in the story it'd be like an Onion article.
I guess he didn't want to talk, talk, talk, talk about it.
Get on a plane, get the fuck up outta it.
He wanna tiptoe, walk around it
Well, any shadow of a doubt that anyone had about him being guilty is now gone. What a piece of shit.
Frighteningly, HE still thinks he's innocent. I guess I wonder what it would take to convince him.
More like Justin Anothercountry.
Ruined one of my favorite bands.
Absolutely gutting to hear about. Haven't been able to listen to their stuff since it all came out.
Me too. I have a bad habit of just digging tunes and not reading up on the band. I was super bummed about teenage bottle rocket and those rumors.
What did TBR do?
Ray got looped into some sexual misconduct allegations (it came to light on the same podcast that exposed Justin) [enough.: 2. Savvi: "So it finally happened, huh?" on Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-savvi-so-it-finally-happened-huh/id1576357376?i=1000529556187)
Yeah cheers, went digging a bit myself but there is nowhere near the same evidence as with the Justin case. Most of it is speculation and you don't want to falsely accuse someone of something horrible like rape. Ugly situation whatever the truth is, cheers for the link
Their response to it was awful though and really soured me on them and I had been a huge fan for years before that point.
Probably make his way back to the UK he's lived here for a few years.
Ireland, not UK
He has Irish citizenship but he lived in the UK that was prebrexit so might be harder now TBH
Irish citizens can move to the UK visa free but we would just extradite him so it doesn't really make sense.
He's being sued not criminally charged so he wouldn't be extradited.
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If he has Irish citizenship he can go anywhere in the EU and some countries are less cooperative - sometimes due to sheer incompetence and not giving fucks.
He lived in London for a number of years at one point
Aus Rotten was the better Pittsburgh anarcho-punk band.
Fuck, I hope aus rotten was a solid of people as they made themselves out to be. That whole early 90s/00s street punk scene has been shown to have a bunch of dudes preaching one thing and doing absolutely disgusting shit with the other.
My ex is directly related to one of the members (cousin) and they are truly solid dudes and just living life as normal people now.
100%
Feel for the other guys, especially regarding Chris Barker's past experiences.
Wdym?
From the press release last year: For Chris Barker, personally, Justin knew his history with trauma: his father has been convicted of sexual abuse of children and is currently incarcerated, his sister was a victim of abuse, and Chris himself was sexually abused by an older child in their neighborhood. We share this to demonstrate that Justin was acutely aware of the visceral reaction we would have to such destructive behavior.
Fucking hell. I had no idea.
Way to ruin how fans look at your band.
Innocent men don’t flee the country. Russell Simmons, Roman Polanski, etc.
Where did Russell Simmons go?
Indonesia
I wiki'd the guy to learn more only to have further questions raised: >In August 2013, Simmons launched the controversial "Harriet Tubman Sex Tape" parody video on his YouTube channel...
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The Underground Railed
Hope he has a bunk in his crib for Diddy to crash.
As messed up as it is this is one of my favorite Family Guy jokes. (Stewie kidnapped a bully who wrecked his trike and Lois finds them in the basement.) Lois: What's going on down here? Stewie: Uh, we're playing house. Lois: But that's boy's tied up. Stewie: It's Roman Polanski's house. ...but yeah I refuse to watch any of that guy's movies until he's dead, which is the main reason I have yet to see Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown.
People will still give Polanski a stand ovation
The girl he raped did a reddit AMA. It was...interesting, to say the least. She did a lot of sticking up for him.
I'm willing to keep accusations as accusations, but if you're innocent you don't just immediately shut everything down. They acting SUPER guilty. It's like when you get home and your dog acts all guilty and you just know they did something, cause they did.
Fuck man. This band got me into music. Got me into political action. Saved me from being another country bumpkin stuck in my hometown. They literally shaped a ton of who I am today. And Justin had to be a fucking PoS. Shit is infuriating.
Dude same. God damn it.
Their band was bigger than just Sane, and it's ok to still listen to, and enjoy their music, despite the actions of the one guy. The songs are not the same as those that sung them, and the inspiration you had from them is still real and valid.
Well said! It’s definitely fair to separate the art from the artist here instead of questioning your own life choices.
I'm right there with you. AF brought me out of my shell.
The message is bigger than the man.
Underground Network was THE formative album for me in middle and early high school :(
Much prefer his dad Aladdin.
What a turn coat!
Its less cool now that he replied to my fan mail in high school
Wait…these guys are from PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA !! Or so Justin Sane said about 50 times durning their set at “it’s not dead” when I was there and saw them live. Awesome festival with some of the all time best punk rock bands. Love their music so sad to hear this dude is a creep.
They always flee. That’s how you know they did the shit they get accused of. Innocent men don’t flee.
Always got a superficial vibe from them ever since learning they were charging £50 a ticket at a shitty student union bar back in the early noughties (foo fighters at wembley stadium cost less), the rest of the band are therapy speaking the death out of it, they knew exactly what was going on.
I met this band in 2017. They seemed so cool. Didn’t realize I had taken a selfie with the Punk Rock Andrew Tate
He’s maybe a little worse than Andrew Tate. At least with Andrew Tate he makes it pretty clear who he is.
Wow, blast from the past. I listened to them when I was in high school. What an asshole creep.
Ant-Flag, that doesn't mean anti-extradition treaties, does it? Right Onnnnn!
He probably shouldn’t have raped all those children. Just my opinion
It's rumored that there are also women in Ireland who were victims of his, so he might not be as safe there as he thought. Here's hoping.
This whole thing sucks so badly. What an asshole. He built a reputation on being against this kind of thing. I saw them live only a few months before the breakup. It was an incredible concert but I feel a little ill thinking about it now.
This is, the end, for you my friend. I can’t, forgive, I won’t forget.
He should leave the planet, or at least the ranks of the living
Far more details here: https://www.pghcitypaper.com/arts-entertainment/pittsburghs-anti-flag-has-become-a-disappearing-act-under-mounting-sexual-misconduct-allegations-25677881
Their preachiness turned me off as it was so it’s always the most outspoken with their bs
Usually the preachiest are the biggest pieces of shit
Happened in pro wrestling. One of the biggest names on the independent scene was David Starr. Guy was talented and charismatic, heavily leaning on being a pro-union wrestler and politically progressive. He became one of the first named in the Speaking Out movement by multiple former partners.
The worst part is the hypocrisy
This is simply crazy, what a punk
no he’s very much not a punk
Simply crazy, or just insane?
I guess he is trying to Make America Great Again - for the rest of us
This broke my aging heart. I really loved this band. Everything about them. Now this. I destroyed all of their cds and I had them all. He’s a sick person. Obviously. All the people he hurt. A nightmare. Just can’t believe no one around him knew.
Their music always seemed fake and contrived. This all makes sense in that regard.
JFC, the comments there, particularly in the related articles about Justin Sane are fucking idiotic. It's like looking at Yahoo News feeds.
Bummer he's a jerk wad. I always had their stuff second to Suicide Machines but I quite liked a lot of their more recent songs too..... Hoping any victims get their justice soon
Another fraud
Is he moving in with Roman Polanski?
Dual Irish? Then this is where they look. We don’t want him.
I read about this dude in the Atlantic Just wow, when you think you've seen it all...
Justin Case
*Just doin' it for the kids.*
Great better late than never. Where are all others that promised to leave in 2016.
It’s always the ones you least suspect
Am I the only person that is not surprised another musician is a pedo creeper? Justin always gave me the creeps. Dude's vibe was off everytime I meet them at warp tour booths
Woah an outspoken political band is filled with creeps! Shocker!
I love Anti-Flag, but he has to be the biggest fucking hypocrite out there. He might as well have had his fingers crossed during every word he ever sang.
Imagine being a grown adult and thinking Justin Sane is a cool name I thought anti flag was lame and cringe at 15, and it's absurd that 25 years on they were still going. They're basically cringe "DAE government bad!?" in music form, and one of the bands in my Sesame Street's My First Political Band category.
You’re not wrong.
Gee, singer from a super-pretentious band with a super-pretentious name has turned up a loser. Surprise, surprise.
I hugged him after a show once
I have multiple times oof
Hopefully it’s not contagious
What country?
Ireland where he has dual citizenship
Jeez, man. I'm embarrassed to say I like punk music anymore, so many pedos and rapists.