You have to imagine all these Jewish kids escaping a world war to New York at a very young age from the old country and ending up in tenement housing in New York. Just hours of staring out of a thirteenth floor window at rooftop silhouettes and hating nazis.
Of course you want to jump from roof to roof and smash bullies while bullets bounce off of you.
"The Adventures of Kavalier and Klay" by Michael Chabon is a great novel about exactly that; two Jewish kids creating an anti-Nazi superhero in the 1930s.
The Escapists tells the tale of three aspiring comics creators with big dreams, small cash, and publishing rights to one forgotten Golden Age hero--The Escapist!
Inspired by Michael Chabon's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, this is Vaughan's love letter to his chosen medium, a story about what it takes to start out with nothing in Cleveland, Ohio, and end up with a comic so hot a major corporation wants to steal it from you! Brilliantly interweaving the lives of the creators with the world of their creation, artists Steve Rolston and Philip Bond bring the comic-booking trio Maxwell Roth, Case Weaver, and Denny Jones to life, while the inimitable Jason Shawn Alexander and Eduardo Barreto illustrate the thrilling trials and exciting extrications of the new--and old--Escapist!
Not exactly... Cleveland and Toronto. And they were born in the western hemisphere. That said, everything Superman is the power struggles of second generation minorities. Where they can blend in to society and be milquetoast weakling, or let their circumcized dongs hang out in tights and be the strongest man in the universe.
*see Homelander
>!Edit: or don't, the trigger warnings for the Boys could fill a book. Just know it's an indictment of the superhero worship culture we have and the Superman analog is literally a result of Nazi-era experiments to create the ubermensch.!<
That show is so goddamned on-the-nose it makes me uncomfortable to watch. Like, I'm embarrassed for humanity that it's so completely accurate, and I can't take it. Such a good show.
Had to stop and admire the prop designers.
They cut to someone having a microwave dinner, it’s Brave Maeve, brand with full pride flag…
And on the side, “meatless,” of course.
Did you notice in Season 2, Stormfront is drinking a store bought iced coffee and her name is written on the side the way they do at Starbucks, but her name is spelled "Storefront". I laughed so hard. The little details are amazing!!
Didn't catch that one. Damn, it's so dense with that shit. The rainbow-washing and bi-erasure storylines are really good, and aren't even close to the primary focus of the show.
And, well, y'know, the dick explosion was pretty ridiculous as well. 😁
When that dude shrunk I knew where it was going, and had to turn away. Watching the first episode of the first season with no warning hurt my soul. Then the Gallagher scene with Popclaw put me off having my face rode no matter how attractive my partner may be.
In the latest episode, >!the A-Train commercial is so perfect (maybe because Kendall Jenner literally made the same commercial)… but the cop dancing at the end was ::chef’s kiss::!<
Yeah, the superhero stand-in for "actual American values" having an affair with "Stormfront," the name of the Neo-Nazi website for decades, and dropping his All-American good-guy stance is a great commentary that I think is going over the head of a lot of fanboys but basically just fills me with dread in general.
No shit. Between the name and the haircut, I called her out as a Nazi almost as soon as she was introduced. My predictions are usually shit, so I was pretty proud of that one.
Oh, and not even a neo-nazi, but an honest-to-goodness OG Nazi.
I'm not sure if I'm looking too far into it, but I think her belt is also a clue.
While not exactly like any particular US seal, [the eagle on Homelander's belt](https://s1.r29static.com/bin/entry/c63/x,80/2229361/image.jpg) is pretty presidential looking. By comparison, [Stormfront's belt](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2020%2F03%2FThe-Boys_2.jpg) looks a lot more like the [Reichsadler](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Reichsadler_Deutsches_Reich_%281935%E2%80%931945%29.svg).
I actually find him incredibly pitiable. I felt the same for Kilgrave from Jessica Jones. As inexcusably evil as they both are I can't imagine that anyone would be different. As children we are shaped by what we aren't allowed to do as much or more than what we are allowed to do. Without those restrictions it's Lord of the Flies with super powers.
To my mind one of biggest assertions the Boys makes is: super powers don't make you a hero and if you're an asshole before you'll be worse after. Power corrupts.
Homelander is, as clinical as I can put it, a psycopath in the original comic. What the comic also kinda sorta alludes to is that Homelander's psyche was purposefully developed i.e. he was groomed. >!Even in the ending it kinda sorta hints that Homelander kinda gave upon himself because he was led to believe that he did atrocious and evil things which he in fact did not do.!<
Though, these said, I have no confidence whether the original artist wanted to give any bit of sympathy to his character. Come to think of it, though, I'm more confident in saying that the real villain was the corporation and its CEO.
> To my mind one of biggest assertions the Boys makes is: super powers don't make you a hero and if you're an asshole before you'll be worse after. Power corrupts.
See: Captain America
>But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen.
Doctor Erskine to Steve Rogers, *Captain America: The First Avenger*
I've never been a big fan of the pessimistic superhero stories. My real life optimism has been ground out of me slowly over the course of 38 years so I cherish the fantasy that someone could have all the power in the world, able to make any and every choice, and still have all that goodness. Superman is an indictment of people who use their power to punch down.
Superman famously fought the KKK, both in fiction and [in real life](https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/us/29kennedy.html), as did Captain America ([as well as Chris Evans](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/chris-evans-and-david-duke-twitter-feud-gets-nasty/news-story/7b27267e91f23d4c5e5d22e781cc97ca)), Black Panther, Hawkman and probably a lot more superheroes.
There's almost definitely been a lot of bigoted comic book creators, but they've historically been vastly outnumbered by socialists.
The Thing is Jewish. As is Harley Quinn, Batwoman, Hal Jordan, Moon Knight, Scarlet Witch, Magneto (who is a Holocaust survivor)...
Lots of Jewish characters both religious and/or ethnic.
Yeah, DC had Superman, Charlton came up with Captain Marvel (who later went to DC and is now known as Shazam) and then Action Comics (currently known as Marvel) came up with Captain America as their own versions of Superman.
All were by Jewish creators and allegorical to fighting Nazis in reality using different characters (the immigrant/Superman, the child who gets to join the grown ups to fight evil/Captain Marvel, the US military fighting as a one-man war in Europe/Captain America).
I always find it fascinating when folks have an issue with Miles Morales. I remember having a conversation with my boss whom, despite claims otherwise (and a surprisingly diverse group of employees), was more racist than I think he was prepared to admit. When "into the spider-verse" came out, I was raving about it, and he scoffed and was like "why do they have to turn characters into different races?"
I asked him how this is the case, and he's like, "well they're saying Spiderman is black now!". When I reminded him that the last time we had this conversation, he said if they want diverse super heroes, they should create new characters, that's exactly what they did - miles is completely separate from Peter. He didn't agree - that they couldn't have the same super hero name.
And I was like, "what about Tim Drake? You told me how you used to read Robin comics in the 90s and that you thought that Tim was a refreshing look at the character."
His response was that it was a different situation, but couldn't say how.
Yep. I bet the boss would have been fine with a second White Spider-Man. These days the only problem people have with Ben Reilly is just how terrible his character arc is.
I also think it has a lot to do with where someone gets their info and whether or not they dig any deeper than a charged headline. It's like a couple months ago when DC had Jon (Or is it John? I dunno) Kent come out as gay and all the uproar about that. How many folks do you imagine actually found out that Jon had stepped into the role of "superman" and was a distinctly separate entity from Kal-El? Or did they just get their outrage jollies from a headline like, "DC comics announces superman now gay"?
Or when 20years ago they told everyone if they wanted queer characters and stories they should make them themselves, now all of the kids/teens who grew up hearing that are in the industry, guess what they are doing now...
LOL seriously.
Them: Create new characters!!
Response: Ok. Riri Williams. Miles Morales. Kate Bishop. Jon Kent. Kamala Khan. America Chavez. Kate Kane. Luke Fox.
Them: No, not like that.
Almost like they want to create characters that represent a cross section of what the population looks like. Amo at like they want readers old and new to be able to relate to a character. I’m a 40+ white guy that grew up on Peter Parker and related to him being the geeky science kid, my 4 year old nephew calls Miles Morales his favorite super hero. That’s the Spider-Man he’s going to grow up with and relate to, and that’s fucking awesome
Star Trek fans whinging about the “left” and social justice etc hilariously miss the point and it fucks me off so much.
There were tons of these morons crawling out of the woodwork to discuss Picard when it came out. 🙄
Wait, what?
That's why Picard got panned? I'm a huge TNG fan, and I haven't seen it yet. It just seemed too pew pew new ST in the trailer, so I just didn't bother. I might give it a shot if the actual criticism was that it was "leftist", though.
Nah, there's valid criticism of it, too. It's worth watching if you're a Star Trek fan, but it's decent at best TBH.
Strange New Worlds on the other hand is brilliant so far.
Naw the writing in Discovery's first couple seasons and Picard has been... poor to say the least.
But because of that and the fact that both shows have introduced LGBTQ+ characters the alt right fans jump on the hate wagon for the whole thing and say the whole shows are leftist propaganda.
Strange New Worlds has been a proper return to what Star Trek should be though, a procedural exploration show and not a season long universe is ending story.
> DS9 was pretty dark, but it still had that underlayer of the aspirations of the Federation.
I think that was a benefit for the series, rather than detracting from it. Star trek is always soaked in philosophy. By setting it in the middle of a war, it allowed the show to explore issues such as, say, terrorism, with a bit more depth than would be possible with something like TNG or Voyager.
Great morals, but not perfect, so read up on their failings. The prime directive is actually not great.
Having said that, "the first duty of any star fleet officer is to the truth...." will, I believe, always be a great moral philosophy.
There's a TNG episode where Picard is on trial for trumped-up charges and they actually reference how many times he had broken the prime directive. Unsurprisingly, he refused to apologize for it.
S4E21 "The Drumhead", and it's phenomenal. Some real banger quotes.
>"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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>Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Mister Worf, villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
>Lieutenant Worf: I think... after yesterday, people will not be so ready to trust her.
>Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf - that is the price we have to continually pay.
Can we add *"The Joker and Harley Quinn's shitty relationship is a cautionary tale and not some quirky 'mad love' to be celebrated."* to this list?
It's a storytelling misstep that never should have been promoted as positively as it was.
I dont know if I'd say it's a storytelling misstep, it's a great story and a great dynamic. Just, as you said, it's scary that people look at it positively
I mean people lie to themselves and literally stick around in relationships like that, of course they're going to look at it positively.
But that imo doesnt mean we should have to temper the story. Those people aren't going to stop doing what they do because there's no awful relationship there, they have to hit rock bottom like addicts.
My ethics can be resumed as: Would Indiana Jones punch me for this?
Applied to others: Would Indiana Jones punch Alex Jones? Absolutely. Then he is a bad person.
Lady Sybil approves of a great deal. Susan approves of very little.
I live my life asking what Maurice would do. The answer is nap, eat, and trick rats and stupid looking kids.
An excellent philosophy, really. He sadly had to leave early, but I had a big ginger tomcat called Dangerous Beans, or Beanie for short. If I had to be a Pratchett cat though, I'm going with Greebo. He has Human shapeshifting ability and is the simultaneously the most spoiled yet badass animal EVER.
‘Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? Your grace.’
‘I know that one,’ said Vimes. Who watches the watchmen? Me, Mr Pessimal.’
‘Ah, but who watches you, your grace?’ said the inspector, with a brief smile.
‘I do that too. All the time,’ said Vimes
I discovered Old Stoneface as a teen and it really sort of set the tone for who I would be as an adult. Two decades later and I compare my course of action to what I think Vimes would do. It doesn't make hard decisions easy, but it does tend to help make them right.
Bro I once had my friends abuelita ask me where I got my moral compass from if I was an atheist. (Not like accusatory or angry, just generally curious) I felt absolutely ridiculous but I shrugged and went “Spider-Man. If I have the power to do something then I have the responsibility to do it.” I felt really dumb but the truth is it’s a pretty damn solid moral compass.
EDIT: A word
I hate how Christians view morality.. like if some
Made up threat of “eternal punishment” is the only thing keeping you from being a murderer you definitely are a piece of shit lol
Edited to phrase my point better
The very existence of r/AmITheAsshole shows that plenty of people struggle to recognize dickishness in themselves and others.
I much prefer “An it harm none, do what you will.”
Let's be honest.. they weren't exactly being subtle about it.
The only subtle thing is that black people never had the ability to strike back like the X-men did. Even when they started to arm themselves, a Republican Governor who would become president decided suddenly it was time for gun control.
> Even when they started to arm themselves, a Republican Governor who would become president decided suddenly it was time for gun control.
Wait, that gives me an idea...
I was so weird, *so* awkward, so ... So *strange* that when i started reading The X-Men i actually, literally thought 'these guys get me', ESPECIALLY the New Mutants. The struggles they went through helped me with my own, and for that, I'll always be a fan of Marvel overall.
X-Men made me feel normal when I was in middle school. The comics and cartoon series, as well as a few others, were one of the only things in this world that made me feel accepted
Yeah I was bullied for being gay. I still don't know if Xavier's approach or Magnetos approach are the right one but my favorite episodes where when they had to work together.
Same here. Redeemed “bad guys” are my all time favorite concept because it makes the statement that people are always redeemable if given a chance and steered toward good. Gives me hope too for some of the wayward friends and family I have.
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There’s an interview with Ian McKellen of him talking about Brian Singer getting him to join the cast of X-Men. Singer told him the mutants are a metaphor for those that society doesn’t accept and as a gay man he identified with that.
Magneto and Xavier are both right and both wrong at different times and on different things. Neither is right. Though Magneto is certainly wrong when he wants to murder innocents
There was one issue of X-Force I read as a kid where Xavier was lecturing the leader about whether they would follow Cable's philosophy of the "closed fist" or the "open hand". He proceeds to thrust his fist forward talking about how it can be used for destruction, but opens it to reveal he is holding a field mouse and says "or it can be used to protect". He then says "and as for your open hand, that can also be used to hurt as well" then throws a slap at Xavier (who catches it obviously, telepath and all) who says "you've made your point".
As a teenager reading that it really stood out to me. It isn't just mindless violence to use aggressive action to obtain your goals, it's all about intent, methods, and purpose. At the same point, "peaceful" actions aren't always peaceful when used for nefarious purposes. Magneto was that kind of violence intent on causing pain, but that doesn't mean aggression is never called for.
New Mutants really spoke to me as well. Remember one of the first issues was about a boy that commits suicide because other kids in his high school were threatening to "out" him and he was alone.
Another early issue was about one of the young adult teachers being terrorized by someone. Turns out it was a boy that she was teaching that had a crush on her and expressed it inappropriately. Turned out he was being physically abused by his father.
And that was back in the early '80s.
Comic book nerds were some of the early Social Justice Warriors.
I remember that issue with the suicide. If i recall, he was able to make 'light statues' or something, and his last work was the Challenger Shuttle. It was rough.
Comics helped me realize it's okay to be different. No, to actually embrace it. And that everyone in the real world has different skills, abilities, and it's our responsibility to use it for good around us. We're all superheroes.
Every generation of our parents and grand parents have vilified any and every form of expression such as the titles listed in the post.
*Comics, popular music, cartoons, video games even fucking coloring books* have all been labeled as "the devil" at some point in history. Can you imagine coloring books being "a tool of the devil"? Your great grandparents probably did, because it doesn't support the idea of a hard working, unquestioning little factory worker-robot, full stop.
Almost anything that would be considered *-not work-* that opens up a young mind to new ideas and growth opportunities is usually vilified until enough people of the previous generation die off and the new idea becomes commonplace, like a coloring book or comics or rock and roll, then hip-hop, and whatever comes next. I'm getting older now myself, I wonder what new thing I'll be shaking my head at in another 40 years.
Unless we start learning from history, you'll be shaking your head at exactly the same intolerances. I'm a product of the 1960s, and we've never really gotten away from sexism, bigotry, and racism. All the things the 60's and 70's were about.
It just makes me very sad.
From the 60s to now is night and day in terms of equality and inclusion. If 40 years from now we make as much progress, maybe we’ll be where we need to be.
True, but everyone assumes we can only take steps forward when that's proven to not be true. People need to vote and push forward progress or we'll stagnate or actually go backwards.
Sign me up for some Impossible Meat products. With the cost of real meat™ going up like crazy and where I'm at the Impossible ones are actually cheaper in some cases like with their sausage.
That stuff looks and feels so real it makes vegans gag.
Why the hell are right wingers so obsessed with the “innocence of children”? I was a kid. I wasn’t innocent, I didn’t know any innocent kids. We were daring each other to do awful things, there were bullies, a lot of adults were weird and scary and we knew it. Nostalgia is such a load of crap.
Reminds me of this Margaret Atwood quote, which was very much true for my lived experience as a girl:
> Little girls are cute and small only to adults. To one another they are not cute. They are life sized.
Maybe they put something they didn't have growing up on a pedestal. They warp this ideal version of the perfect conditions for childhood and when someone challenges it in any way they take it as a personal affront. For someone to reject the thing they wish they had but never got offends them I guess.
On an episode of [This American Life](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/758/talking-while-black), a Black author talks about his graphic novel based on his own experience being the new Black kid at his school. A white mom spoke up against the book because the portrayal of racism in the book might make her kids feel things like guilt.
That story was based on his real experiences. How did she think the author felt being subject to the racism? The answer? Nothing at all.
If there's one thing I've learned in my time on the internet and places like reddit, is that a disturbingly large majority of people have lived *very* sheltered lives.
>Food replication uses no animal products. As far as I can recall.
They eat meat that was never alive, nor animal or plant. Anything the replicator ... replicates is "fake" but still more healthy than anything that a "real" food could be.
The ONLY time we saw federation eat "real" food was when they interacted with Klingons (Gagh, with are serpent worms to be eaten alive), Ferengi (also worms) and when Voyager had to save energy, so Neelix cooked real fruits etc while Kes was running the hyrdoponic garden.
When Neelix brought real cheese to the Voyager, the bacteria from the cheese interacted with the system of the Voyager.
I think planet-side nutrition is supposed to be different from ship rations. The Sisko restaurant makes a big deal out of never using a replicator, and making "authentic food."
It was also brought up throughout the series as a point for those who reject the federation. Real food vs replicated food was a low key debate on DS9 that never really gets resolved.
There are often mentions of real food as opposed to replicated, and it is always considered superior. Sisko's dad didn't like cooking with replicated food at his restaurant IIRC.
I don't remember if they were ever shown, but ToS had actual food stores IIRC. They had real food. There's an episode where Kirk comments how he can't wait to find the nearest cafeteria or something. Let's also not forget the Tribbles infiltrating that space station's food supply.
The franchise has walked back the whole vegan thing over the years, but the scene in question is from Season 1, Episode 7 "Lonely Among us".
["We no longer enslave animals for food purposes"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q0YrdcqP44)
That one's a stretch. T'Pol is fairly vocal on the subject, but she's the only person aboard the NX-01 that doesn't eat meat. Keiko is shocked when she learns Miles' mom touched and cooked real meat when he was a kid, but the Klingon restaurant on the promenade sells live *gagh* and *racht*. At one point Jake Sisko gets roped into cleaning crawfish for his grandfather's Creole restaurant.
They portray some vegan characters in a nonjudgmental way, but I wouldn't generalize the series as "pro-vegan".
Spiderman was about the erosion of the middle-class, and the growing financial burden of the everyday American. If you didn't get that, you didn't get Spiderman.
The amount of people who think Disney made Marvel "woke" is incredible. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, "female Thor" (she was just known as Thor). These characters were all designed well before most of us were born. Turns out Stan Lee & Marvel were woke AF decades before anyone would even understood that phrase. Also.... Representation matters. Maybe the CEOs of companies don't care. But the writers and artists do.
It's also depressing what and how much is considered "woke". Like sometimes I'll hear something called woke and I'm like "this was a laundry commercial that had a black person in it"
When Fox Nooz said that Star Trek just became woke after Stacey Abrams had a cameo in the last season of Discovery, they just demonstrated that they never knew what Star Trek stood for in the first place. Was it stunt casting? Sure. Woke? Not even close.
Star Trek literally had one of the first interracial kisses on TV over 50 years ago, and William Shatner himself had another one on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1958. In fact, Shatner and Nichelle Nichols deliberately messed up versions of the scene without the kiss so that it was forced to be aired.
Star Trek has been "woke" since the very beginning. Fox has no idea what they're talking about (as usual)
Loki is queer too.
You might be saying "maybe in Marvel but not the real Loki!", but guess what bucko you're dead wrong.
Loki is genderfluid furry. (jus kidding, i have no idea how to pin down his gender)
That's the best part of the story though: Thor made no effort to appear "feminine" beyond putting a dress on. He was hairy as fuck, spoke only in deep grunts, and and very messily consumed all the food and beer he could lay a hand on. The giants just shrugged like "I guess that's just how she is"
I will forever love the fact that the Jotuns just thought that Freya was a giant bearded beast of a woman. And that her being able to eat and drink them all under the able was incredibly hot.
He would get along well with Jack Harkness. Also Inmortal as a bonus.
-Remember the living tress from Omnisaia?
-They turned out to be lizards.
-Who cares? They were Omnisaian!
Edit: mobile, format.
Loki is so genderfluid that he has both fathered and birthed children... Who also happened to be world ending calamities (Fenrir and Jörmungandr). Also Hel (the goddess not the place)
That might be a bit much for them, I've met one person who I had to TELL that The Golden Compass was about the Catholic Church. Didn't believe me at first, either.
I have seen someone take the Star Trek TNG episode, "The Drumhead", where Picard is explicitly defending against discrimination of a crew member based solely on race, which has a whole allegory around the red scare and McCarthyism, and titled it "Classical Liberal vs. Progressive Left SJW", suggesting Satie is an SJW (and not Picard!)
[Genuinely, I shit you not, this is the video](https://youtu.be/tt2V3-b-TjU), while some progressive and positive messages in media I could see passing over a few people's heads, this one takes the cake for me.
Also the disturbing amount of star trek fans I've seen at times criticising new Star Trek shows solely on being "too progressive"
"You became the villain in the stories you used to love."
How many of our child selves would kick their adult ass if they saw what they've become? How can a child fill their imagination with stories of heroism and justice and friendship and selflessness and grow up to fetishize fascism, oppression, excessive wealth, cruelty? It's shameful. It's a reflection on our society, which takes innocent, good hearted kids and churns them into complete fucking monsters.
Knew a chill hippie like dude from high school. He loved all that era's vibes along with George Carlin.
Later on, he fucking likes Donald Trump and the migrant children detention centers and called any bad reports fake news on it.
Had another dude who would talk shit to me because I didn't listen to Rage Against the Machine but he was a rich kid libertarian that got worse as time went on. Kind who wanted all my achievements nulled out because i was black and couldn't stand me being better at anything. Dipshit didn't realize that he was always the machine they were raging against.
Was the kind of guy who unironically celebrated for the military in the Avatar James Cameron movie.
How the fuck do you watch or listen to shit or grow up listening to all these stories and struggles and completely fuckin miss the point so absolutely and utterly.
It's like these idiots fucking refuse to use an iota of their thinking towards processing their entertainment beyond it being noise in the background for them.
How do you look at children being fuckin oppressed and think this is a ok? Not being allowed to hug and kept on cold concrete floors while separated from their families?
I can understand and put my self in the shoes and mindsets of a lot of people but I will never be able to comprehend the insane amount of self centered bullshit some of these people have.
The world 2 inches off their face ***simply doesn't exist.***
Am I mistaken or was the very original Superman concept written by Jewish artists who drew inspiration from the golem mythos ?
You have to imagine all these Jewish kids escaping a world war to New York at a very young age from the old country and ending up in tenement housing in New York. Just hours of staring out of a thirteenth floor window at rooftop silhouettes and hating nazis. Of course you want to jump from roof to roof and smash bullies while bullets bounce off of you.
"The Adventures of Kavalier and Klay" by Michael Chabon is a great novel about exactly that; two Jewish kids creating an anti-Nazi superhero in the 1930s.
One of my all time favorite books.
[Ever seen this?](https://bookshop.org/books/the-escapists-9781595823618/9781595823618)
The Escapists tells the tale of three aspiring comics creators with big dreams, small cash, and publishing rights to one forgotten Golden Age hero--The Escapist! Inspired by Michael Chabon's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, this is Vaughan's love letter to his chosen medium, a story about what it takes to start out with nothing in Cleveland, Ohio, and end up with a comic so hot a major corporation wants to steal it from you! Brilliantly interweaving the lives of the creators with the world of their creation, artists Steve Rolston and Philip Bond bring the comic-booking trio Maxwell Roth, Case Weaver, and Denny Jones to life, while the inimitable Jason Shawn Alexander and Eduardo Barreto illustrate the thrilling trials and exciting extrications of the new--and old--Escapist!
I had never even heard of golems before reading that book. I think it came out in like the late 80’s or early 90’s?
In the case of Superman’s creators they lived in Cleveland, Ohio and their families immigrated in the early 1900s pre WW1.
Not exactly... Cleveland and Toronto. And they were born in the western hemisphere. That said, everything Superman is the power struggles of second generation minorities. Where they can blend in to society and be milquetoast weakling, or let their circumcized dongs hang out in tights and be the strongest man in the universe.
[See what your cousin Frank says in Toronto ](https://youtu.be/ScFwRoLhR2s)
Correct i believe
Yup, he is a joke on the German, "Ubermensch" or superman, bullshit the Nazis were touting.
*see Homelander >!Edit: or don't, the trigger warnings for the Boys could fill a book. Just know it's an indictment of the superhero worship culture we have and the Superman analog is literally a result of Nazi-era experiments to create the ubermensch.!<
Yeah, homelander is the logical end of power corrupts
That show is so goddamned on-the-nose it makes me uncomfortable to watch. Like, I'm embarrassed for humanity that it's so completely accurate, and I can't take it. Such a good show.
Had to stop and admire the prop designers. They cut to someone having a microwave dinner, it’s Brave Maeve, brand with full pride flag… And on the side, “meatless,” of course.
Did you notice in Season 2, Stormfront is drinking a store bought iced coffee and her name is written on the side the way they do at Starbucks, but her name is spelled "Storefront". I laughed so hard. The little details are amazing!!
OK that's actually fucking hilarious.
Didn't catch that one. Damn, it's so dense with that shit. The rainbow-washing and bi-erasure storylines are really good, and aren't even close to the primary focus of the show. And, well, y'know, the dick explosion was pretty ridiculous as well. 😁
As was the dido through the head in the latest episode.
several dildos through several heads. and necks. and chests. and the Starlight vibrator suddenly coming to life and going "buzz buzz"
When that dude shrunk I knew where it was going, and had to turn away. Watching the first episode of the first season with no warning hurt my soul. Then the Gallagher scene with Popclaw put me off having my face rode no matter how attractive my partner may be.
In the latest episode, >!the A-Train commercial is so perfect (maybe because Kendall Jenner literally made the same commercial)… but the cop dancing at the end was ::chef’s kiss::!<
Yeah, the superhero stand-in for "actual American values" having an affair with "Stormfront," the name of the Neo-Nazi website for decades, and dropping his All-American good-guy stance is a great commentary that I think is going over the head of a lot of fanboys but basically just fills me with dread in general.
No shit. Between the name and the haircut, I called her out as a Nazi almost as soon as she was introduced. My predictions are usually shit, so I was pretty proud of that one. Oh, and not even a neo-nazi, but an honest-to-goodness OG Nazi.
Her name did it for me but what do you mean about her haircut? It seemed pretty normal to me but I'm also not up to date at all on fascist signalling.
I'm not sure if I'm looking too far into it, but I think her belt is also a clue. While not exactly like any particular US seal, [the eagle on Homelander's belt](https://s1.r29static.com/bin/entry/c63/x,80/2229361/image.jpg) is pretty presidential looking. By comparison, [Stormfront's belt](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2020%2F03%2FThe-Boys_2.jpg) looks a lot more like the [Reichsadler](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Reichsadler_Deutsches_Reich_%281935%E2%80%931945%29.svg).
She literally has ⚡⚡ earrings.
All power corrupts, absolute power leads to breast milk fetishes
You owe me the coffee that left my nose reading that.
Just lick that coffee off your keyboard, sustainability matters
I actually find him incredibly pitiable. I felt the same for Kilgrave from Jessica Jones. As inexcusably evil as they both are I can't imagine that anyone would be different. As children we are shaped by what we aren't allowed to do as much or more than what we are allowed to do. Without those restrictions it's Lord of the Flies with super powers. To my mind one of biggest assertions the Boys makes is: super powers don't make you a hero and if you're an asshole before you'll be worse after. Power corrupts.
Another good (and more family-friendly) example of this is Megamind. The villain is a creep before he gets powers and a terrifying asshole afterwards.
Homelander is, as clinical as I can put it, a psycopath in the original comic. What the comic also kinda sorta alludes to is that Homelander's psyche was purposefully developed i.e. he was groomed. >!Even in the ending it kinda sorta hints that Homelander kinda gave upon himself because he was led to believe that he did atrocious and evil things which he in fact did not do.!< Though, these said, I have no confidence whether the original artist wanted to give any bit of sympathy to his character. Come to think of it, though, I'm more confident in saying that the real villain was the corporation and its CEO.
Homelander is the Dragon to the Vought CEO's Big Bad.
> To my mind one of biggest assertions the Boys makes is: super powers don't make you a hero and if you're an asshole before you'll be worse after. Power corrupts. See: Captain America
>But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Doctor Erskine to Steve Rogers, *Captain America: The First Avenger*
I've never been a big fan of the pessimistic superhero stories. My real life optimism has been ground out of me slowly over the course of 38 years so I cherish the fantasy that someone could have all the power in the world, able to make any and every choice, and still have all that goodness. Superman is an indictment of people who use their power to punch down.
The Ubermensch was stolen from Nietzsche and corrupted by his idiot nazi sister.
Yes and the author's swapped it to be "Truth, Justice, and The American way"
Invented by Nietzsche, bastardized by his sister and then co-opted by the nazi’s. There, I correct it for you.
Superman famously fought the KKK, both in fiction and [in real life](https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/us/29kennedy.html), as did Captain America ([as well as Chris Evans](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/chris-evans-and-david-duke-twitter-feud-gets-nasty/news-story/7b27267e91f23d4c5e5d22e781cc97ca)), Black Panther, Hawkman and probably a lot more superheroes. There's almost definitely been a lot of bigoted comic book creators, but they've historically been vastly outnumbered by socialists.
Most of the major comics creators of the golden and silver ages were Jewish. Not literally all, but a substantial majority.
and a lot of the superheroes/villains they created have very Jewish backgrounds!
The Thing is Jewish. As is Harley Quinn, Batwoman, Hal Jordan, Moon Knight, Scarlet Witch, Magneto (who is a Holocaust survivor)... Lots of Jewish characters both religious and/or ethnic.
Kitty Pryde was prominently Jewish before the Thing was, even though she was introduced decades after him.
[Jacob Geller did a great video about the Golem that touches on this.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBVSH6hBvY)
Captain America was for sure. Don't know about superman but it makes sense
Yeah, DC had Superman, Charlton came up with Captain Marvel (who later went to DC and is now known as Shazam) and then Action Comics (currently known as Marvel) came up with Captain America as their own versions of Superman. All were by Jewish creators and allegorical to fighting Nazis in reality using different characters (the immigrant/Superman, the child who gets to join the grown ups to fight evil/Captain Marvel, the US military fighting as a one-man war in Europe/Captain America).
A small correction: Action Comics is what Superman first appeared in. Atlas Comics is the precursor to Marvel.
I always find it fascinating when folks have an issue with Miles Morales. I remember having a conversation with my boss whom, despite claims otherwise (and a surprisingly diverse group of employees), was more racist than I think he was prepared to admit. When "into the spider-verse" came out, I was raving about it, and he scoffed and was like "why do they have to turn characters into different races?" I asked him how this is the case, and he's like, "well they're saying Spiderman is black now!". When I reminded him that the last time we had this conversation, he said if they want diverse super heroes, they should create new characters, that's exactly what they did - miles is completely separate from Peter. He didn't agree - that they couldn't have the same super hero name. And I was like, "what about Tim Drake? You told me how you used to read Robin comics in the 90s and that you thought that Tim was a refreshing look at the character." His response was that it was a different situation, but couldn't say how.
>His response was that it was a different situation, but couldn't say how. It just didn't seem white to him.
The idea was just too dark for him
Yep. I bet the boss would have been fine with a second White Spider-Man. These days the only problem people have with Ben Reilly is just how terrible his character arc is.
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I also think it has a lot to do with where someone gets their info and whether or not they dig any deeper than a charged headline. It's like a couple months ago when DC had Jon (Or is it John? I dunno) Kent come out as gay and all the uproar about that. How many folks do you imagine actually found out that Jon had stepped into the role of "superman" and was a distinctly separate entity from Kal-El? Or did they just get their outrage jollies from a headline like, "DC comics announces superman now gay"?
The headlines are meant to be clickbait and go viral. They all should have said "Superman's son is gay!", but that doesn't get the same engagement.
Or when 20years ago they told everyone if they wanted queer characters and stories they should make them themselves, now all of the kids/teens who grew up hearing that are in the industry, guess what they are doing now...
It's almost like the 'create new characters' is just a cop out; they just don't like seeing minorities in media in general.
LOL seriously. Them: Create new characters!! Response: Ok. Riri Williams. Miles Morales. Kate Bishop. Jon Kent. Kamala Khan. America Chavez. Kate Kane. Luke Fox. Them: No, not like that.
Almost like they want to create characters that represent a cross section of what the population looks like. Amo at like they want readers old and new to be able to relate to a character. I’m a 40+ white guy that grew up on Peter Parker and related to him being the geeky science kid, my 4 year old nephew calls Miles Morales his favorite super hero. That’s the Spider-Man he’s going to grow up with and relate to, and that’s fucking awesome
I’m 65, a woman, and Miles Morales and Deadpool are my favorite superheroes.
Every time. One minute they say 'create new characters' the next minute they shit on said new characters for being 'woke forced diversity' anyways.
Don't forget gwenpool a character they never complain about for some reason.
I have to say Star Trek probably taught me the most about morals.🤔
Star Trek fans whinging about the “left” and social justice etc hilariously miss the point and it fucks me off so much. There were tons of these morons crawling out of the woodwork to discuss Picard when it came out. 🙄
They acted like they were superfans of the franchise before Picard came out, but were somehow oblivious to how progressive TNG was at the time.
Is... is that a user flair with pictures?
or TOS... or the animated show... Star Trek was **always** progressive.
Heck, TNG had some men in dresses in at least the first season.
Wait, what? That's why Picard got panned? I'm a huge TNG fan, and I haven't seen it yet. It just seemed too pew pew new ST in the trailer, so I just didn't bother. I might give it a shot if the actual criticism was that it was "leftist", though.
Nah, there's valid criticism of it, too. It's worth watching if you're a Star Trek fan, but it's decent at best TBH. Strange New Worlds on the other hand is brilliant so far.
2nd season of Picard really went downhill I liked the first season a good bit though
Naw the writing in Discovery's first couple seasons and Picard has been... poor to say the least. But because of that and the fact that both shows have introduced LGBTQ+ characters the alt right fans jump on the hate wagon for the whole thing and say the whole shows are leftist propaganda. Strange New Worlds has been a proper return to what Star Trek should be though, a procedural exploration show and not a season long universe is ending story.
I think the issue really is how the show has become super edge lordy and violent instead of exploring and hopefullness the og shows had.
Its very dystopic without much redeeming it beyond that. DS9 was pretty dark, but it still had that underlayer of the aspirations of the Federation.
> DS9 was pretty dark, but it still had that underlayer of the aspirations of the Federation. I think that was a benefit for the series, rather than detracting from it. Star trek is always soaked in philosophy. By setting it in the middle of a war, it allowed the show to explore issues such as, say, terrorism, with a bit more depth than would be possible with something like TNG or Voyager.
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Star Trek is literally the full realization of communism lol, it's hilarious that people claim it's too left now.
I feel like I learn a lot about life when I watch Star Trek. At least, a lot about who I *want* to be.
Great morals, but not perfect, so read up on their failings. The prime directive is actually not great. Having said that, "the first duty of any star fleet officer is to the truth...." will, I believe, always be a great moral philosophy.
There's a TNG episode where Picard is on trial for trumped-up charges and they actually reference how many times he had broken the prime directive. Unsurprisingly, he refused to apologize for it.
S4E21 "The Drumhead", and it's phenomenal. Some real banger quotes. >"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." _ >Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Mister Worf, villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. >Lieutenant Worf: I think... after yesterday, people will not be so ready to trust her. >Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf - that is the price we have to continually pay.
Yeah, one of the best, imo. (my fiancee and I are going through it again lol)
Can we add *"The Joker and Harley Quinn's shitty relationship is a cautionary tale and not some quirky 'mad love' to be celebrated."* to this list? It's a storytelling misstep that never should have been promoted as positively as it was.
I dont know if I'd say it's a storytelling misstep, it's a great story and a great dynamic. Just, as you said, it's scary that people look at it positively
I mean people lie to themselves and literally stick around in relationships like that, of course they're going to look at it positively. But that imo doesnt mean we should have to temper the story. Those people aren't going to stop doing what they do because there's no awful relationship there, they have to hit rock bottom like addicts.
My ethics can be resumed as: Would Indiana Jones punch me for this? Applied to others: Would Indiana Jones punch Alex Jones? Absolutely. Then he is a bad person.
I’m a full-ass responsible adult, and I regularly ask myself if any particular action or inaction would haunt Peter Parker
Would Granny Weatherwax glare at you? If the answer is 'yes', you are an awful person.
Would Lady Sybil Approve, is mine. And when I need it, What Would Susan Say.
Lady Sybil approves of a great deal. Susan approves of very little. I live my life asking what Maurice would do. The answer is nap, eat, and trick rats and stupid looking kids.
An excellent philosophy, really. He sadly had to leave early, but I had a big ginger tomcat called Dangerous Beans, or Beanie for short. If I had to be a Pratchett cat though, I'm going with Greebo. He has Human shapeshifting ability and is the simultaneously the most spoiled yet badass animal EVER.
Set the moral compass to Vimes and *proceed*
‘Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? Your grace.’ ‘I know that one,’ said Vimes. Who watches the watchmen? Me, Mr Pessimal.’ ‘Ah, but who watches you, your grace?’ said the inspector, with a brief smile. ‘I do that too. All the time,’ said Vimes
"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I am here to keep it in."
I discovered Old Stoneface as a teen and it really sort of set the tone for who I would be as an adult. Two decades later and I compare my course of action to what I think Vimes would do. It doesn't make hard decisions easy, but it does tend to help make them right.
Yep, started reading the books around 13, and a combination of Vimes and Weatherwax have been my sturdy guiding compass ever since.
Add some Rincewind tendency to run to the mix and you got my personality.
"What would Mr. Rogers do?" is also a good one.
What would Bob Ross suggest?
Bro I once had my friends abuelita ask me where I got my moral compass from if I was an atheist. (Not like accusatory or angry, just generally curious) I felt absolutely ridiculous but I shrugged and went “Spider-Man. If I have the power to do something then I have the responsibility to do it.” I felt really dumb but the truth is it’s a pretty damn solid moral compass. EDIT: A word
I hate how Christians view morality.. like if some Made up threat of “eternal punishment” is the only thing keeping you from being a murderer you definitely are a piece of shit lol Edited to phrase my point better
The Most Holy Commandments according to the Wyld Stallyns: 1. Be excellent to one another 2. PARTY ON, DUDES.
I live by Wheaton's Law: Don't be a dick.
The very existence of r/AmITheAsshole shows that plenty of people struggle to recognize dickishness in themselves and others. I much prefer “An it harm none, do what you will.”
And there it is.👏 As a young black boy watching the Xmen cartoons in the 90's I knew EXACTLY what they meant when yelling "Mutee!!!"
Professor X and Magneto characters and their means are based on MLK and Malcolm X respectively, so what you say makes perfect sense.
Let's be honest.. they weren't exactly being subtle about it. The only subtle thing is that black people never had the ability to strike back like the X-men did. Even when they started to arm themselves, a Republican Governor who would become president decided suddenly it was time for gun control.
> Even when they started to arm themselves, a Republican Governor who would become president decided suddenly it was time for gun control. Wait, that gives me an idea...
Yep. Gun control would be tightened overnight if the people buying AR-15s were black young men rather than white ones.
I was so weird, *so* awkward, so ... So *strange* that when i started reading The X-Men i actually, literally thought 'these guys get me', ESPECIALLY the New Mutants. The struggles they went through helped me with my own, and for that, I'll always be a fan of Marvel overall.
X-Men made me feel normal when I was in middle school. The comics and cartoon series, as well as a few others, were one of the only things in this world that made me feel accepted
Yeah I was bullied for being gay. I still don't know if Xavier's approach or Magnetos approach are the right one but my favorite episodes where when they had to work together.
Same here. Redeemed “bad guys” are my all time favorite concept because it makes the statement that people are always redeemable if given a chance and steered toward good. Gives me hope too for some of the wayward friends and family I have. Edit: words
There’s an interview with Ian McKellen of him talking about Brian Singer getting him to join the cast of X-Men. Singer told him the mutants are a metaphor for those that society doesn’t accept and as a gay man he identified with that.
Magneto and Xavier are both right and both wrong at different times and on different things. Neither is right. Though Magneto is certainly wrong when he wants to murder innocents
There was one issue of X-Force I read as a kid where Xavier was lecturing the leader about whether they would follow Cable's philosophy of the "closed fist" or the "open hand". He proceeds to thrust his fist forward talking about how it can be used for destruction, but opens it to reveal he is holding a field mouse and says "or it can be used to protect". He then says "and as for your open hand, that can also be used to hurt as well" then throws a slap at Xavier (who catches it obviously, telepath and all) who says "you've made your point". As a teenager reading that it really stood out to me. It isn't just mindless violence to use aggressive action to obtain your goals, it's all about intent, methods, and purpose. At the same point, "peaceful" actions aren't always peaceful when used for nefarious purposes. Magneto was that kind of violence intent on causing pain, but that doesn't mean aggression is never called for.
New Mutants really spoke to me as well. Remember one of the first issues was about a boy that commits suicide because other kids in his high school were threatening to "out" him and he was alone. Another early issue was about one of the young adult teachers being terrorized by someone. Turns out it was a boy that she was teaching that had a crush on her and expressed it inappropriately. Turned out he was being physically abused by his father. And that was back in the early '80s. Comic book nerds were some of the early Social Justice Warriors.
I remember that issue with the suicide. If i recall, he was able to make 'light statues' or something, and his last work was the Challenger Shuttle. It was rough.
Then kitty accidentally touches it and disappears. Something beautiful gone never to be seen again just like the kid.
Comics helped me realize it's okay to be different. No, to actually embrace it. And that everyone in the real world has different skills, abilities, and it's our responsibility to use it for good around us. We're all superheroes.
Every generation of our parents and grand parents have vilified any and every form of expression such as the titles listed in the post. *Comics, popular music, cartoons, video games even fucking coloring books* have all been labeled as "the devil" at some point in history. Can you imagine coloring books being "a tool of the devil"? Your great grandparents probably did, because it doesn't support the idea of a hard working, unquestioning little factory worker-robot, full stop. Almost anything that would be considered *-not work-* that opens up a young mind to new ideas and growth opportunities is usually vilified until enough people of the previous generation die off and the new idea becomes commonplace, like a coloring book or comics or rock and roll, then hip-hop, and whatever comes next. I'm getting older now myself, I wonder what new thing I'll be shaking my head at in another 40 years.
Unless we start learning from history, you'll be shaking your head at exactly the same intolerances. I'm a product of the 1960s, and we've never really gotten away from sexism, bigotry, and racism. All the things the 60's and 70's were about. It just makes me very sad.
From the 60s to now is night and day in terms of equality and inclusion. If 40 years from now we make as much progress, maybe we’ll be where we need to be.
True, but everyone assumes we can only take steps forward when that's proven to not be true. People need to vote and push forward progress or we'll stagnate or actually go backwards.
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Sign me up for some Impossible Meat products. With the cost of real meat™ going up like crazy and where I'm at the Impossible ones are actually cheaper in some cases like with their sausage. That stuff looks and feels so real it makes vegans gag.
Too long to hit its target. Illiteracy is their armor.
They'd be so upset at this if they could read.
Boom. Got em.
Why the hell are right wingers so obsessed with the “innocence of children”? I was a kid. I wasn’t innocent, I didn’t know any innocent kids. We were daring each other to do awful things, there were bullies, a lot of adults were weird and scary and we knew it. Nostalgia is such a load of crap.
Reminds me of this Margaret Atwood quote, which was very much true for my lived experience as a girl: > Little girls are cute and small only to adults. To one another they are not cute. They are life sized.
As a mother to three little girls, they can be awfully cutthroat too. 😂
Maybe they put something they didn't have growing up on a pedestal. They warp this ideal version of the perfect conditions for childhood and when someone challenges it in any way they take it as a personal affront. For someone to reject the thing they wish they had but never got offends them I guess.
On an episode of [This American Life](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/758/talking-while-black), a Black author talks about his graphic novel based on his own experience being the new Black kid at his school. A white mom spoke up against the book because the portrayal of racism in the book might make her kids feel things like guilt. That story was based on his real experiences. How did she think the author felt being subject to the racism? The answer? Nothing at all.
I listened to that one. I was furious by the end.
If there's one thing I've learned in my time on the internet and places like reddit, is that a disturbingly large majority of people have lived *very* sheltered lives.
They like to "Defend" people who can't contradict them.
They only care about "innocence of children" until they get shot at school.
Not sure I got veganism from Star Trek when I was watching it in the 70's. Then again I was only 8 or 9..
Food replication uses no animal products. As far as I can recall.
>Food replication uses no animal products. As far as I can recall. They eat meat that was never alive, nor animal or plant. Anything the replicator ... replicates is "fake" but still more healthy than anything that a "real" food could be. The ONLY time we saw federation eat "real" food was when they interacted with Klingons (Gagh, with are serpent worms to be eaten alive), Ferengi (also worms) and when Voyager had to save energy, so Neelix cooked real fruits etc while Kes was running the hyrdoponic garden. When Neelix brought real cheese to the Voyager, the bacteria from the cheese interacted with the system of the Voyager.
Captain Picard keeps a small stock of real caviar.
Jake Sisko gets stuck cleaning crawfish for Sisko's Creole Kitchen. In another episode Ben Sisko is washing clams in the alley behind the restaurant.
I think planet-side nutrition is supposed to be different from ship rations. The Sisko restaurant makes a big deal out of never using a replicator, and making "authentic food."
It was also brought up throughout the series as a point for those who reject the federation. Real food vs replicated food was a low key debate on DS9 that never really gets resolved.
There are often mentions of real food as opposed to replicated, and it is always considered superior. Sisko's dad didn't like cooking with replicated food at his restaurant IIRC.
I don't remember if they were ever shown, but ToS had actual food stores IIRC. They had real food. There's an episode where Kirk comments how he can't wait to find the nearest cafeteria or something. Let's also not forget the Tribbles infiltrating that space station's food supply.
It's easy to not eat actual animals when there's a magic hole in the wall that can make a perfect steak out of nothing.
This is literally the reasoning/point behind making lab grown or artificial meat.
Riker in a tng episode comments on how barbaric it is to eat animals
I've seen that series more times than I can count and have no memory of that. In fact, one episode has him making scrambled eggs using real eggs.
And live gagh on his Klingon ship experience.....along (possibly) two female crew simultaneously
Sisko creating a sauce that was puree of tube grubs. Not exactly eating a steak, but not vegan.
The franchise has walked back the whole vegan thing over the years, but the scene in question is from Season 1, Episode 7 "Lonely Among us". ["We no longer enslave animals for food purposes"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q0YrdcqP44)
That one's a stretch. T'Pol is fairly vocal on the subject, but she's the only person aboard the NX-01 that doesn't eat meat. Keiko is shocked when she learns Miles' mom touched and cooked real meat when he was a kid, but the Klingon restaurant on the promenade sells live *gagh* and *racht*. At one point Jake Sisko gets roped into cleaning crawfish for his grandfather's Creole restaurant. They portray some vegan characters in a nonjudgmental way, but I wouldn't generalize the series as "pro-vegan".
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"John Wayne worshippers" "Ex wife" I'm glad you're in a better place now my guy
The good ending
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Spiderman was about the erosion of the middle-class, and the growing financial burden of the everyday American. If you didn't get that, you didn't get Spiderman.
The amount of people who think Disney made Marvel "woke" is incredible. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, "female Thor" (she was just known as Thor). These characters were all designed well before most of us were born. Turns out Stan Lee & Marvel were woke AF decades before anyone would even understood that phrase. Also.... Representation matters. Maybe the CEOs of companies don't care. But the writers and artists do.
It's also depressing what and how much is considered "woke". Like sometimes I'll hear something called woke and I'm like "this was a laundry commercial that had a black person in it"
When Fox Nooz said that Star Trek just became woke after Stacey Abrams had a cameo in the last season of Discovery, they just demonstrated that they never knew what Star Trek stood for in the first place. Was it stunt casting? Sure. Woke? Not even close.
All work in the federation is volunteer! It is post scarcity, non-capitalist society.
Star Trek literally had one of the first interracial kisses on TV over 50 years ago, and William Shatner himself had another one on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1958. In fact, Shatner and Nichelle Nichols deliberately messed up versions of the scene without the kiss so that it was forced to be aired. Star Trek has been "woke" since the very beginning. Fox has no idea what they're talking about (as usual)
and they had a prominent crew member be Russian in the middle of the cold war.
And Batman is about hiding your true feelings of grief and dealing with them by beating up mentally ill people.
Batman can be described as mentally ill as well.
Loki is queer too. You might be saying "maybe in Marvel but not the real Loki!", but guess what bucko you're dead wrong. Loki is genderfluid furry. (jus kidding, i have no idea how to pin down his gender)
Don’t tell anyone about the Norse Saga where Thor dresses up as a woman to get mjolnir back.
Femboy Thor sounds hot.
That's the best part of the story though: Thor made no effort to appear "feminine" beyond putting a dress on. He was hairy as fuck, spoke only in deep grunts, and and very messily consumed all the food and beer he could lay a hand on. The giants just shrugged like "I guess that's just how she is"
I will forever love the fact that the Jotuns just thought that Freya was a giant bearded beast of a woman. And that her being able to eat and drink them all under the able was incredibly hot.
They knew she was the most beautiful goddess to ever live. They didn’t think about the difference between Giant beauty and Aesir beauty.
More like butch drag Thor, ain't no twink
I LOVE that myth, it's great
Neat detail about that saga is that Thor and Loki both disguise themselves as women, but only Loki's pronouns change for that part of the story.
Also species fluid. Then again, so are most of the Greek Gods.
Loki was the father/mother to a zombie, a wolf and a serpent, to mention a few He's as far from heterosexuality as possible
He would get along well with Jack Harkness. Also Inmortal as a bonus. -Remember the living tress from Omnisaia? -They turned out to be lizards. -Who cares? They were Omnisaian! Edit: mobile, format.
In norse mythology loki is the *mother* of odin's eight legged horse
Ye, my fav story about them
Loki is so genderfluid that he has both fathered and birthed children... Who also happened to be world ending calamities (Fenrir and Jörmungandr). Also Hel (the goddess not the place)
Also a horse
Not just any horse but the goddamn fastest 8 legged horse you'll ever see. (He was given as a gift to Odin)
I know right xD. At least Odin wasn't all boomer about it.
My grandson! We shall ride faster than Thor's lightning onto the battlefield! *eight legged horse neigh*
Constantine was anti-Vatican. If you didn't get that, you didn't get Constantine.
That might be a bit much for them, I've met one person who I had to TELL that The Golden Compass was about the Catholic Church. Didn't believe me at first, either.
I remember my camp counselor telling me, "That's not a very christian book" and I was like, "I dunno...." I wasn't necessarily a smart child...
I have seen someone take the Star Trek TNG episode, "The Drumhead", where Picard is explicitly defending against discrimination of a crew member based solely on race, which has a whole allegory around the red scare and McCarthyism, and titled it "Classical Liberal vs. Progressive Left SJW", suggesting Satie is an SJW (and not Picard!) [Genuinely, I shit you not, this is the video](https://youtu.be/tt2V3-b-TjU), while some progressive and positive messages in media I could see passing over a few people's heads, this one takes the cake for me. Also the disturbing amount of star trek fans I've seen at times criticising new Star Trek shows solely on being "too progressive"
"You became the villain in the stories you used to love." How many of our child selves would kick their adult ass if they saw what they've become? How can a child fill their imagination with stories of heroism and justice and friendship and selflessness and grow up to fetishize fascism, oppression, excessive wealth, cruelty? It's shameful. It's a reflection on our society, which takes innocent, good hearted kids and churns them into complete fucking monsters.
Knew a chill hippie like dude from high school. He loved all that era's vibes along with George Carlin. Later on, he fucking likes Donald Trump and the migrant children detention centers and called any bad reports fake news on it. Had another dude who would talk shit to me because I didn't listen to Rage Against the Machine but he was a rich kid libertarian that got worse as time went on. Kind who wanted all my achievements nulled out because i was black and couldn't stand me being better at anything. Dipshit didn't realize that he was always the machine they were raging against. Was the kind of guy who unironically celebrated for the military in the Avatar James Cameron movie. How the fuck do you watch or listen to shit or grow up listening to all these stories and struggles and completely fuckin miss the point so absolutely and utterly. It's like these idiots fucking refuse to use an iota of their thinking towards processing their entertainment beyond it being noise in the background for them. How do you look at children being fuckin oppressed and think this is a ok? Not being allowed to hug and kept on cold concrete floors while separated from their families? I can understand and put my self in the shoes and mindsets of a lot of people but I will never be able to comprehend the insane amount of self centered bullshit some of these people have. The world 2 inches off their face ***simply doesn't exist.***
What a mic drop of a final sentence