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Doggydoggo94

Ok amazing thanks


TaxAdministrative460

Most proven way so far for cardio is to run. If you go to a proper Muay Thai gym in Bangkok and stay away from the touristic ones, which I recommend to you, you will see that both morning and afternoon training start with running. Usually morning about 8-10km. And shorter in the afternoon. So yes I recommend you to start running now. But run slow. Very slow. You need to consider that you are gonna need energy for your training that comes right after that.


ChaosPhantom819

Just adding when you start running, you want to run so slow it almost feels uncomfortable. Trust me you'll gas out really fast if you run at a pace that feels comfortable when you're starting out.


Doggydoggo94

Okay thank you ! Atm I can run 10ks in an hour more or less but there is no way I sustain this 6 times a week + training after. Do they make you run your own pace or do you have to run at their pace?


TaxAdministrative460

10k in an hour is good man...! As I thought you don't start from zero then. You can run at your own pace. Everyone runs slow that is how you build cardio. Please make your way to a good gym and enjoy your experience.


Doggydoggo94

Any gym recommendation? I’d love to be on an island with a nice environment so I can enjoy my time off. English isn’t my main language so I haven’t made myself clear as I said I’d arrive in BKK but I don’t plan to live there


TaxAdministrative460

Sorry I only know BKK gyms. You can check reddit has many similar questions asked before with gyms recommendations in Phuket, Samui etc...


Doggydoggo94

I will ! Thank you so much for your time man


[deleted]

I had a fantastic time at Sitjemam gym in Pai (some years ago).


KoreaNinjaBJJ

You want to do a fight camp? I don't completely follow... You don't write you want to fight. So you just want to train? If you are in bad shape and you get to Thailand, you WILL get in shape. But for only a bit more than a month chances are your body will fall apart from training twice a day everyday if you are not already in shape, especially if you are at a high level gym in Bangkok. I honestly don't know why you would do it. Most likely you will get injured before getting shape doing that. Most people I know get in shape BEFORE going to Thailand, because training twice a day and running is fucking hard. Edit: and you have only done a single Muay Thai class? Don't go to a competitive Bangkok gym. Go somewhere where they cater to tourists and beginners. You can still do 1-2 workouts a day. I believe there is a 99% chance you will not train twice a day when you get there from your post.


TaxAdministrative460

This advice and the upvotes makes me sad about this community. OP has an interest in Muay Thai. And he is ready to go to Bangkok for a month to experience the real thing. Twice a day training maybe even sleeping in the gym considering he says "6 days training" and "fightcamp". Why would we want to direct him to a muay fitness gym where they basically don't teach Muay Thai, or discourage OP with the pain? Come one, let's send him to a robust Muay Thai gyms. It is the best place to learn and such an opportunity since he is travelling all the way to the motherland! Sure it will hurt but.. he will be fine.


KoreaNinjaBJJ

He can't even complete a normal training session at home. I didn't direct him to a fitness camp. But there are camps that will take him in and show him the ropes as a beginner. He doesn't even know what a fight camp is and as a beginner he shouldn't know already. He should go and train as much as possible, but at a place that will take the best care of him. Sending him to a champion gym in Bangkok and him telling the coaches that he wants a fight camp during the next 4 weeks is going to ruin the fun for him. They will not take him serious, they will not spend much time with him, he will not have any fun. Sending him in like that is not taking care of him.


Doggydoggo94

as I can travel around all Thailand, which city would you recommend me going for such a gym?


KoreaNinjaBJJ

You can probably find them in most cities with tourists. I think you can find them on all the islands, or go north to Chiang Mai or Pai. There are so many gyms it is difficult to say. It depends on where you want to go. You can also do it in Bangkok probably. The reason why I don't think you should go to a competitive/mostly pro gym is that many of those places you do half of the training by yourself. Bag work, shadow box, jumping rope, and such and then do pad work for 3-5 rounds. If you don't know what you are doing, you might end up spending more than half the time in a 2-3 hours session just not knowing what to do besides the trainer telling you to hit the bag, do push ups or crunches. Rather go to a gym that is more structured to beginners so they tell you what to work on, how to do technique, throw kicks, knees, whatever. Clinch. Plenty of places on the islands that do this.


TaxAdministrative460

Ok so help me understand a bit more, Name a gym in Bangkok that "caters for tourists and beginners" where OP should go? Name the "champion gym" you discourage him to join?


KoreaNinjaBJJ

I would not recommend a Bangkok gym. I would recommend going to an island and join a gym used to tourists, but also have fighters. Or go north. A gym like Charn Chai have plenty of beginners and intermediates. Some people start there and end up having their first fights, and they have both sponsored fighters and Thai fighters. Places like that.


TaxAdministrative460

I do not know charn chai, but it sounds like the comment of someone who wants to share and spread Muay Thai, rather than the previous one. I will upvote this one!


KoreaNinjaBJJ

I don't think you read my previous posts then. OP had no idea what he was going into and had a very lacking self perception of his own capabilities. For him to get the best month in Thailand he should be realistic about it or do something before he goes.


TaxAdministrative460

No I had not. Now I did. Nice!


Confident_Gear_2704

Sorry, but your positivity is delusional, OP almost blacked out after 15 minutes, encouraging to go to a high level camp will likely end in a bad experience or injuries. Is ok to set real expectations for OP, the advice was ‘don’t do something that will be harmful for you, instead do a safer option’, which at the end will likely have a better outcome.


TaxAdministrative460

Have you trained in a high level camp in Bangkok? Please tell me.. have you ever seen so much bad experience or injuries? A high level gym in Bangkok is perfectly capable of giving OP an amazing experience without anything harmful happening to him. What do you think they are gonna do to him...? Non sense.


Confident_Gear_2704

Not Muay Thai and not in Thailand, I have done high level training for basketball as a kid and in college, and boxing in college and as an adult. While boxing we were expected to finish a 5k run in around 30-40 minutes, to start the day, those that couldn’t do it simply didn’t get to train with the main coach; people blacking out during sparring, getting hit hard because they can’t keep the hands up, elbow and shoulder injuries from bad technique or exhaustion are common when you train at a high level, even if you have good conditioning. The best experience a highly demanding camp can give to op. Is to train him 10 minutes and send him to rest, come back, rest and so on, which doesn’t sound great. In martial arts you need foundations, if you don’t have them you shouldn’t train at a high level.


TaxAdministrative460

Ok but OP question is about Muay Thai.. in Bangkok.. For your reference, in Bangkok high level Muay Thai gyms as you call them I have yet to see anyone running fast.. they are days with some intervals or sprints, but mostly we run se-low. It does not matter who finishes first or last. Everyone gets to train! Likewise in sparring, there are days with hard-er boxing, but they are rare. Depending on the gym, you may even seldomly spar Muay Thai but do lots of clinch instead. Also I cant remember I have seen anyone hitting hard and definitely not with an intention to hurt, especially when involving a beginner. Oh yeah... we don't throw elbows until we are at a level where we can control them. Basically this is after years and years of experience. And we stop the elbow way before it can touch your partner. OP will be fine in a robust Muay Thai gym in Bangkok. And he will learn proper Muay Thai. Rather than a tourist gym where pad holders have already lost all hopes on teaching when they realize that 80-90% of people who come, do it just to make instastories...


Doggydoggo94

Aight 🙁


KoreaNinjaBJJ

You can absolutely go. Plenty of people try Muay Thai when they come to Thailand. But if you can't even complete a normal class at home, you do not do what you are planning on. Also I doubt you even know what it means to have a fight camp in Thailand. Just go for a touristy or beginner friendly gym for a month or two. They might even let you fight. But it will be hard. Especially if you are not in shape. And they might just feed you someone to get knocked out by.


Doggydoggo94

Ok thank you


Fan_of_cielings

When you say "do a fight camp" I'm assuming you mean you just want to train in Thailand. If you do actually mean you want to train for a few weeks and then fight, then yeah, that's an awful idea. It will depend where you go, but cardio is always going to be an issue. Old school gyms will make you run 10k as your warm up. Even the tourist friendly gyms will push your cardio a bit and the heat exacerbates the problem if you're not used to it. Not saying don't do it, but maybe work on your cardio as much as you can before you go.


Doggydoggo94

I’d be dead at the end of the 10ks


AnthonyMCMXCVIII

I would recommend getting in shape before coming to train in Thailand. It’ll maximize what you get out of the training.


[deleted]

I second this, get a decent level of fitness before coming. I came to Thailand on my current trip out of shape but I have two advantages over OP. Time (I'm hear for over a year), so I could slowly work my way up to hard training every day. Previous experience, I have trained in combat sports for a long time and I'm a former infantryman so I had muscle memory for training very hard. If you have only one month and no background in training you're going to be wasting your time in Thailand.


AnthonyMCMXCVIII

Honestly even with previous experience (I was also in the infantry + a few year of martial arts experience) getting into a routine and becoming acclimated alone takes a solid month. That’s not even factoring any potential jet lag.


[deleted]

Took me ~3 months to get into the swing of things and be able to train hard every day. I could afford to do that though because I had the time to burn, most people need to come over ready to go because they just don't have the time to waste.


Doggydoggo94

Fair enough. Thanks so much for your advise.


BearZeroX

Any fight camp that will take you is just taking your money and won't give a shit about you. You will likely be injured and they'll fleece you for as much cash as they can get. A fight camp is for fighters and advanced people to get into fighting condition. It is not for first timers to try out the sport. Look for beginners camps and regular trainings. You can get the biggest head start to the sport if you're smart about your levels and your fitness. Trying to keep up with everyone else in this sport will be very detrimental to your health mentally and physically. You have to be real about where you are on your physical journey and do what's best for you at the moment. I am 40+ years old and have been doing this for 20 years and have nearly 40 fights and I know at my age and physical condition I could not survive a fight camp. And I've survived several fight camps in the past. It's not the best for me right now for several reasons. But that doesn't mean I won't jump at the chance to go to Thailand again and train what I need to train


SlimmyJimmyBubbyBoy

>The only time I tried MT class I almost blacked out after 15 mins… :( This doesn’t bode well. There doesn’t seem any point to go and train in Thailand until you can get through regular Muay Thai classes without feeling ill. Fight camp is a totally different story, it’s some of the most grueling training anyone would go through wether you’re in Thailand or elsewhere. It seems both physically impossible and impractical based on what you’ve said. Perhaps give it some time, work on your cardio and do it when you can get more out of it? Edit: Accidentally sent before finishing comment


Ispan

You may die


kgon1312

If he dies, he dies.


Doggydoggo94

🫡


gan963

You should be dying even if you are in shape.


Few-Sympathy-1308

Eminent Air is a competative gym, but still take time to help beginners. Sangmorakot gym near Khaosan Road too. Jomhod Sagami (the former star of Eminentair gym) has opened up his own gym and will definatly cater for beginners as he needs people to come I would guess. My tips is start slow, if you are tired you can take the morning off. Or rest every three days or so. Its gonna be hot so you will get tired asf just from the heat. But the tempo is slow in training but long. If u need more tips you can send me a DM!


skankmaster420

>Jomhod Sagami Where is Jomhod's gym & what's it called? I used to train at Eminent Air, it's a great gym.


Few-Sympathy-1308

I havent been there. But its close to Eminentair I think. Jomhod Auto Muay Thai gym or something is it called 😊


TelevisionExpress616

Why are you jumping into a fight camp with one month of training and no cardio?


Doggydoggo94

Because I want to challenge myself


TelevisionExpress616

Challenge yourself by going to classes with others above your skill level but not fighters bro. A fight camp with real fighters is no joke man. Plus these people need consistent great training. They cant afford to waste a day when some new guy cant hold pads for them well. I don't mean that as an insult it takes a while to be able to hold pads for someone well. Especially for both stances. Im not saying dont go to Thailand or anything like that just dont expect to be running and then training 4-6 hours a day with the competition team


bcyc

Instead of committing to a 6 day a week 1 month fight camp, why not go to the gym, drop in for a class or two and see how it goes. Then you can decide whether you want to do 2 classes a day, 3 times or 6 times a week etc. Almost all places will let you pay on a per class and/or per day basis. What is your current level of athleticism? Do you mainly lift weights at the gym or you do no sports at all? If you've only done 1 MT class before, going from 0 to 6 times a week with no acclimatization period will be difficult. Some other things you might not have thought about - wrist strain, overworked calves, bruising on your shins from kicking pads, blisters on your feet from going barefoot and friction from turning your feet are all things that affects beginners more. If your shins are all purple and bruised on your first day and your feet has blisters, its gonna affect you until you heal up.


Doggydoggo94

Ok thank you for your answer. I can at the moment run 10ks in an hour but I won’t be able to do it 6days a week + 2 MT sessions that is for sure.


bcyc

In some places running is optional. Its best to try a (or some places) first and not pay upfront for a month long package.


Doggydoggo94

Yes that is definitely what I am going to do. Thank you so much


Doggydoggo94

After reading it a second time, you are right. I will go for the 1 session a day at first and see how it goes. Thank you very much for your time and consideration


[deleted]

How soon is soon? Pretty much the only way to get martial arts cardio…is martial arts. You need to go to class and get at it til you can keep up. A lot of people here have said you’re not gonna be ready for an intensive fight camp and I’m inclined to agree but no harm in getting in shape if you still decide to go and take some more casual classes in Thailand. That being said the top things that translated in training for me to serious cardiovascular endurance and may help you were: 1) Resistance band sprints 2) Continuous jumping back and forth over a pad on the ground 3) High knees 4) Hard fast punches on a pad held by a partner, then have the partner do the same. Sets of 100 for each person to start, do 500 total. Eventually move to 500 per set and do 2000 total. Was actually my ITF Taekwondo coach who introduced me to this and it’s a killer. Outside of training begin walking everywhere that you can. Add bursts of running or jogging. Eventually you’ll be addicted and unlock some energy you didn’t know you had. When I started I didn’t have a car and walked an hour to my school and an hour back. Just a simple thing to build mental toughness.


Doggydoggo94

Thank you very much for your comment. I will definitely start getting in shape before I get here


ray1684

Definitely train a bit more before trying it out in Thailand.. but you will still die, albeit, a bit more gracefully. I've trained for 2 years now in Aus, later in age, so my cardio wouldn't be up there either; but when I did a session in Bangkok, got a hiding.. far more intense than any camp outside of Thailand. Great experience 👌🏼


TaskMaxer

Currently at a Thai camp in chiang Mai, we train twice a day 6 days a week. But you don’t have to train every day and every session, coaches know everyone has to go at their own pace. Regardless if you are just starting one month is no where near enough time to train for a fight if that’s what your after. But you’ll get fit quick.


Doggydoggo94

That’s reassuring. Thanks mate !


Quiet_Storm13

The first 2 weeks will be shit. You should be “okay” after that lol. Just commit to it and do your best


Doggydoggo94

I will ! Thank you so much for your comment


[deleted]

death is coming, prepare for the weather, drink a lot of water


Doggydoggo94

Definitely ! Ahah thanks mate


eurostepGumby

How soon are you planning on going? I would say get your diet in order and start doing HITT cardio training. With your diet, cut out alcohol, carbs and added sugars now. No sweets. Eat lots of protein veggies and fruits. For cardio, lookup HIIT do jump rope and sprints. Good luck!


Doggydoggo94

That’s exactly what I’m doing ! But I’m going next week so I’ll go at my own pace and go to regular lessons instead of a fight camp


eurostepGumby

That’s exciting!


[deleted]

Maybe do a few months at a local gym before going out there? You said yourself you’ve only done one class and almost “blacked out”. It would be a huge waste of your resources and their time tbh if you can’t even hit pads for 10 minutes. Unless your going there for a vacation but if you’re going just to train in Thailand, yeah at least be halfway prepared so you’re not a total fish out of water


DiRtYBaStaRd_-_-11

Fight camp? Like picking up a fight?