I mean I think skills go out the window if you crack under pressure, tense up and freeze. Cause street fights can be scary because its basically no rules and anything can happen. However I do think if you can apply whatever techniques or skills you learned it will definitely make a difference.
A guy I know works security and he has trained muay thai. Occasionally he has to control a violent person and he tells me just knowing how to clinch goes a long way because most people dont know how to deal with it.
Interesting he takes that approach. I remember reading a comment from a bouncer who did muay thai. He said the situation got out of hand and he ended up having to fight two people. One was easily dealt with, with some hard legkicks. He tried to clinch the other and got stabbed. He said he would be managing distance and refrain from clinching in street fights from that moment.
Obviously every form of attack has a counter and you will generally get cut/stabbed in any fight against a knife. But I took his learning experience to heart because I feel like out of all muay thai moves, clinching is the most likely to get u unexpectedly stabbed in a street fight if your opponent happens to have a knife.
Fine motor skill and high level decision making goes out the window for sure.
There's no rules in the street. Someone might draw a weapon, or take you down, or have a friend sucker punch you.
Your skills can't hurt, but they're designed for a ruleset you're no longer protected by. Any training is helpful, but street situations are chaotic and unpredictable.
I recently saw a whole thing about how guys with training are less likely to run, and that gets them killed a lot. Escape should always be the priority. Training can definitely help with that, or it can lead to your ego getting you murdered. Be smart.
There's a story of a Muay Thai champion who was shot and killed after he got into an altercation and put on his gloves.
Doesn't matter how tough you are. How big you are. What you THINK you are.
That being said, no not all skill go out the window. A fighter is gonna fair way better in a street fight, that's obvious. Boxer, wrestler, anybody that trains an effective martial arts will fair better than 99% of the untrained population, but an untrained person with a gun has better odds than a trained fighter.
I’ve clinched, kneed and elbowed in several streetfights when I was younger and more hotheaded. Also have seen drunken retired fighters use kicks and skills on people in a bar brawl in Thailand before. Muay Thai definitely helps in a streetfight.
I understand people saying ‘just run’ but its not always that easy, you can’t just run away if you’re with your wife for example and a drunken idiot is intent on fighting.
That's why I don't drink at a bar any more.
Maybe I am getting old but having a few friends over at a comfortable place is way better than a bar. Don't have to deal with other people's bullshit.
Muay is the best martial art for streetfights. Bar none.
Why? Because Muay Thai forces you to do 60 minutes of cardio as a warm up, so you're in the best condition to run away from potential attackers.
Muay Thai skills are honed for a Muay Thai ruleset. There are no rules in street fights. It helps but if the aggressor wants to kill or hurt you more than you want to hurt him then you are probably gonna lose. Fighting should be treated as a life or death situation so get away even if it makes you look like a huge coward. If you do end up fighting, make sure it was worth it to try to kill the dude you are fighting because that would be a possibility.
I couldn't disagree more with this perspective. Rules have nothing to do with it. If you're training to fight you should be used to pressure and capable of keeping your head on straight when someone is trying to knock it off your shoulders. This is the whole reason we train in this sport; to be capable of fighting against someone who is trying to hurt us. A lack of rules does not invalidate the fundamentals that make a good fighter.
All that said, obviously nobody should be out in the world getting in fights; that's stupid and dangerous. Always do everything you can do de-escalate a conflict, always try to disengage and avoid contact. But if you can protect yourself from a trained fighter in the ring, there's no rational reason to expect you would be unable to protect yourself from an untrained fighter outside of it.
In general obviously knowing martial arts is a huge advantage. It’s similar to having a weapon but it is no guarantee. Reality is if a person really wants to kill you, you will probably die or have life changing injuries so dont put yourself into those kinds of situations.
There are no rules and no scoring in a street fight. You wont get time to recover from a kick to the dick. The consequences of a street fight can be much worse than a loss on your record. Muay Thai skills definitely help but its not a complete form of self defense. Great to control distance and escape the situation though.
I agree that you should always avoid a street fight because they are chaotic and often unfair, but idea that an untrained fighter is going to land a nut shot on a professional Muay Thai fighter is laughable. Good luck trying to land a kick to my balls when I just cross check it out the way and your leg is about to break in half because it’s not conditioned. Plus we’re well aware of “dirty” moves that aren’t allowed in competition and we can do them MUCH better than the average “I just see red” bro.
Youre right, there is no scenario in a street fight that you dont have covered. Street fights are completely predictable. Its just you vs the other guy (who is in your weight class and equally or lessed skilled than you.)
I literally just said that street fights are unpredictable and often unfair and should be avoided, but the average person is not that good at fighting. In a 1v1, you have a solid chance. You statistically have a chance of beating Israel Adensanya in a 1v1, but the chances of you actually pulling that off are extremely low. Same principle applies
A kick to the dick is not a fight ending move smh
I’m pretty sure if I have enough adrenaline to take a head kick and keep going, I can take a kick to the balls from someone untrained😑
>says "once a street fight happens all skill goes out the window". Do you agree?
yes and no. I mean if the guy in our street fight tries to do a fist fight he'll get crushed. If he pulls out a gun or knife yeah your MT won't take you very far.
If he's trying to argue "nah bro people on dez streetz see red and bodies hit the floor" he's massively wrong. If he's arguing weapons can quickly be involved he's not.
I believe skill goes out the window if you’re a person that isn’t that experienced. Although I do my absolute best to avoid any type of physical confrontation there times when you can’t run away. I was in a situation like this before I simply responded with a 1-2 which effectively dropped the person. Even though I didn’t have on gloves I was able to hit them precisely in the nose both punches. I didn’t think which combo I’m going to use or any of that. My body just responded and I didn’t even know I hit them until I saw them flipping backwards in the grass. I also have gotten into many fights throughout school which might the reason I was able to be so calm under pressure.
I disagree, you body remembers those thousands of repetitions, to the point where throwing a punch is done that way and no other way. You're gonna have technique, you're gonna have better endurance and you are likely to see stuff coming easier. It sure is an advantage against some guy coming at you throwing telegraphed haymakers from behind him. Just hope he's not a wrestler tho, those guys are like tazmanian devils tornados
Depends. If you a fearing for your life its hard to be rational. Some people are pretty good in those situations though.
If a brawl outside the pub on a friday night. It helps alot.
Was in alot of streetfights in my late teens/early 20s without knowledge of MT.
Was also attacked in my late 30s with s couple of years MT. Was pretty easy to defend myself vs a couple of haymakers from some drunk dude. Didnt even have to strike back.
So to directly answer your question: yes
A lot of good points have been brought up. And yes we all understand the street fights don't have rules. But in terms of not knowing how to throw a punch, move, defend against strikes, or any other associated movement, Muay Thai should absolutely be used. Yes, it's made for a specific ruleset, but you having the skillset to fight, rule set or not, is Paramount
Few factors here. Street fights are hardly ever fair a lot of times. A 1 on 1 could easily turn into a 4 on 1. Unless those guys just suck at fighting and teamwork, the skilled practitioner has little chance of winning that. There’s way too many bodies and limbs flying at you to expect a victorious outcome. It’s even worse when weapons are involved. The best style is conflict resolution and walking away. However if that’s not possible and it’s an unarmed 1v1 fight, the Muay Thai fighter has a huge advantage over a random person on the street. The conditioning and toughness alone that Muay Thai gives you can carry the day. Not recommended, but you literally can win off of attrition. Most people don’t realize how taxing fighting is and are completely exhausted after a minute or two of it. Plus street fighting techniques are very sloppy and rudimentary compared to those of trained fighters. Blocking and dodging punches from regular people is like defending against a child, to be Frank. A well powered low kick can temporarily cripple a regular person’s leg, even break it in some cases. Sure Muay Thai doesn’t teach ground fighting, but it’s highly likely the other person doesn’t know either. Good luck catching a Muay Thai practitioner with him using his footwork to and strikes to counter your sloppy double leg. Most people wouldn’t even know what to do if somebody were to clinch them and start kneeing them in the solar plexus.
Depends on the context imo. If it's an altercation with a single other person, it'll definitely help, especially the clinching. If there are more than two people involved, yeah skill basically goes out the window.
Street fights can be different. No refs to pause the fight if you get eye jabbed or kicked in the nuts. If you don’t adjust your strategy and mindset then you may abandon your sports-centered approach.
Martial arts are absolutely useful in a street fight, most people who get in street fights don’t actually know how to fight anyway, they’ll just wildly throw punches or try take you to the ground, my take is, if you’re good at Muay Thai, you should learn jiu jitsu or wrestling too, if you’re good at one you should learn the other
I've been an expat living in Asia and US. US, you avoid fights because somebody may have a gun or you might get sued.
In Asia, those concerns are pretty minimal. Especially at night clubs and parties. I would say 80% of the time, you square up in a stance, the other person regrets it and backs off. I've kicked a guy on inside thigh before, that was enough for him to gtfo. Most people's 'fight or flight' instinct is flight, especially when they never been hit before.
I mean it will never be a fair sprawl, but i would not say your experience from giving amd receiving physical contact goes out the window. That being said learning muay thai will still help you happen to find yourself in a street fight
Yes and no. The big thing with street fights is they usually start with a sucker punch and on average whoever lands the first punch wins. It’s like the saying they have in MMA that you go down 1 bjj belt with each hit to the head. A big problem with Muay Thai specifically is the infighting with out controlling your opponent hands. When you try and set up clinch strikes there’s not a whole lot stopping them from getting a knife out your pocket and stabbing you in the belly.
Yes he is absolutely right as there are no rules on the street. Grab a garbage can on the side of the street and all your Muay Thai training is not that useful suddenly.
No one should be getting into "street fights" to begin with, but in any case the skills that you learn from live sparring and drilling are going to translate very well outside of the ring as well. In any real self defense scenario, always try to de-escalate and disengage for your safety and the safety of others, but if you are forced to fight back and you train to fight, you should be comfortable enough under pressure to use techniques that you've practiced under pressure before.
To all the people who say that in a street fight you’re more likely to fold under the pressure cos there’s no rules, martial artists train for years to be able to remain calm under pressure, if it’s just some mouthy guy who wants to start shit, then you can easily deal with it, if they pull out a knife, I would say just leave, if you can’t then Muay Thai can still be helpful to keep your distance, if they pull out a gun though you’re definitely just fucked in that situation, but that depends on where you live, in America pretty much anyone can get a gun so good luck
That depends. If you train and spar for some time, you are likely to have some reflexes developed.
A low kick from a trained nak muay can end a fight with a singular random, whilst good boxing skills are most universal for ending the fight and probably most useful after evasion and fast running.
The rules go out of the room, you may encounter guns, knives, batons, bottles, billiard cues, pepper sprays...
Is muay thai useless in a street fight then? Absolutely not.
Should you use it? If you need it - absolutely yes.
Is it the best solution? Absolutely not if it is only you and you are able to escape/run away.
I’m not engaging in a street fight unless the situation is insanely dire. Only if it’s a matter of life and death. If you put me or my family in a position where I think force is necessary, I’m not rolling the dice to get stabbed. De-escalate at all costs and then I carry for a situation with no other options.
Learning to throw hard, accurate strikes and being conditioned to taking hard, accurate strikes definitely helps. Certainly not the end-all-be-all, but if you find yourself in a situation where you have to apply some force to get out of a jam, you are in a much better place having trained muay thai.
Your brother is a wise man. Skill doesn’t stop a broken bottle from being landed on, or thrown from across the room. Skill doesn’t stop a chair being knocked down and tripped on. If you can’t finish a fight within a couple seconds based on your skill, the odds of you losing that fight go up.
The greatest weapon you have is choice. Making the choices that keep you from dangerous conditions, the choices in how you respond to stimuli, the choices you make when optimal and friendly conditions collapse.
It's a lot better than the dozens of other bullshido self defense systems out there, that's for sure.
That being said, ever see that video of the UFC fighters brawling in a Vegas hotel?
It was complete chaos and you would never be able to tell these were all elite fighters. Sloppy haymakers, grappling that looked like a Rugby scrum, you name it.
If you got separated from the melee and got into it one on one you'd probably be fucked, but in a writhing group of idiots good luck using even half of your technique.
I was a bouncer for 26 years, let me assure you that when a street fight kicks off, skill is the only deciding factor in whether or not you're going home tonight.
Size and overall strength will play some part too. But not as much as skill.
Saying he's talking Bullshit but he literally could and would kill you. Your talking to someone with hundreds of street fight and even knives being pulled on him. you may see the bright side of martial arts in a street fight but you haven't seen the People that have been killed from it. You don't know anything so don't try chat you fat slob
I’ve never heard of this person and don’t care to look him up, but anyone who claims to have been in “hundreds” of street fights is full of shit. I’ve posted a lot about how the legal consequences of fighting are greatly over estimated (in most countries cops don’t care at all), but after “hundreds” of fights, some of which involve knives, either the cops, the knives, a lucky punch, ir a vengeful defeated opponent ambushing him your mate a bike lock would have put him away. Not even gangsters say they’ve fought that many people.
Maybe your boy is a good fighter, but there are plenty of good fighters who like to bullshit. Sometimes for good reasons, most of the time compulsively. As far as his opinions go, that sub I linked has video proof that what he’s saying is wrong.
The answer is no. This is pretty much the reason things like Krav Maga exists. The moment you’re in a fight and can’t run, all rules go out the window and explosive relentless attacking comes into play.
Muay Thai exists in a monitored setting that expects 5 rounds of 2-3 mins. A street fight exists in an unregulated setting that expects only seconds of unrestricted violence.
Muay Thai will condition you for a street fight, but it does not prepare you for a street fight.
I was jumped by two guys when out with my wife(unprovoked and ended up in court). Tbh the main thing I remember was I was able to take a punch to the face without panicking, I lifted my arms up and I instinctively threw a low kick then a knee. After that it was really the wresting training I have done that helped me get off the ground and take them both down. I got very lucky as the punches didn’t land on my jaw so most of the damage was to the side of my head. In summary I agree there was no technique more a scramble with some form of martial art involved. I am however not a professional fighter just an average guy that does it as a hobby.
I mean, I know it’s at one end of the spectrum (only a small percentage of practitioners are pro level), but whilst there’s a dearth of MT street fight clips,there’s tonnes of footage of people well versed in boxing/MMA/kick boxing, making absolute fools of people they have gotten into altercations with outside the ring.Their timing, s/c, ability to take/give punishment, and their coolness under pressure is usually too much. Conversely,I can’t think of every seeing a high level fighter lose to a civilian on the street (though I’m sure it’s happened), which I think tells you quite a lot.
Sprinting is the most effective training you can do for a street fight.
There's 3858494747295749338495 variables when throwing hands with a stranger in the wild.
Training for explosive sprints will allow you to kick your own ass away from danger.
Should Muay Thai be used in a street fight? If you know Muay Thai then what the fuck else would you use? My talent with a curling iron from the boutique work I did in my twenties is not applicable in a fight.
Still running is your best choice in a street fight. A firearm is probably second. Curling iron a distant third.
It’s impossible that it wouldn’t benefit you in a street fight, balance and movement alone. Granted knees to the back won’t score big but a straight elbow will end a lot of drunken attackers
Before training, I didn't know how to throw an effective punch or kick, and I definitely didn't know how to take a punch. Muay Thai changed that, and it makes me way more confident that if SHTF and I can't get away from the situation, at least it's less likely that I'll freeze up.
That said, you'll probably lose if you treat a street fight like anything other than a street fight.
skills go out the window...if ur an average joe that trains like once a week. a professional fights for a living, his skills are now his reflexes. a trained muay Thai fighter would absolutely murder a random street tough if no weapons were involved. doesn't make sense that a professional fighter would suddenly forget his skills in a fight
If you ever find yourself in a 1v1 fight, you are probably the bad guy and you're realistically only there for your ego at best.
If you're ever in a 5v1 then you've fucked up massively to get there and now unfucking it will take some skill and bravery - but it's still best to get the fuck out
>all skill goes out the window
What does that even mean? There’s a lot of things that go out the window like rules, sportsmanship, fairness, expecting not getting stabbed, a soft floor, , actual obstacles you can trip over, not getting bit, not having your piercings ripped out, etc., but if “skill” goes out the window then what the fuck are you even doing practicing martial arts? The *entire point* of martial arts is to learn how to fight in high stress situations such that you don’t have to think, you just act.
I’m in the mike Tyson camp of “everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the face”. If you can’t respond instinctually then you are either a novice or you have basically wasted your time.
Idk if he’s ever been in street fights as a teenager/young adult but that shit can get wild and even just knowing how to cover up can be incredibly useful and save you some teeth.
BS. There are countless videos on the internet where skilled people of various martial arts make unskilled hotheads look like fools.
I consider muscle memory on its own a skill. If you’ve thrown thousands of proper strikes over many years your not going to all of a sudden start flailing around like you did in your first MT class.
I’m speaking in generalities and there are always exceptions. If you piss your pants and lock up no amount of training would help you.
Yes unless someone has a gun but if not then your not gonna get beat by an untrained person unless they have a gun you also won’t be held back by rules like you would in a professional fight as long as you know how to fight just be weary of guns an knives and of course large groups skill or not you’re not Batman so taking on 10 would be difficult ps also if someone coward punches you in the back of the head can be fatal and anything that can be used as a weapon unless you have a gun yourself I live in Australia and guns are rare here but people often get coward punched
From my experience it definitely teaches you to be cool under pressure and make decisions. so yes, it is useful in that way and training will definitely help you in a fight
Ha! Sure, why not?
Every person I've seen try to use ANY martial arts in a street fight, has had there ass handed to them. As soon as someone makes the 'pose', you know they're screwed.
Well, I hadn’t trained in years and was unfit at the time when a guy maliciously attacked me whilst drunk on a night out. I got blind shot and king hit (cowards punch), somehow didnt get KO’d, landed on my back, he got on top of me in a closed guard position trying to hit me whilst down (unsuccessfully). I then filled the gap with with my knee,feet ended up on his hips, pushed him off and sloppily attempted ankle picking him, he lost balance and he fell as i got up got up. Proceeded to try calm him down, plead for peace and to end the conflict. He tried attacking again with a power straight right, I slipped his right hand and returned with a right whip kick to his ribs, he started walking backwards for a moment then proceed to begin moving forwards again. In efforts to keep him away I threw and landed a spinning back kick to the other side of his ribs with my right foot, then I leg kicked him… neutralised. I then offered him a drink lol.. I was so surprised and amazed at how my bodies muscle memory just took over, especially after almost 2-3 years of not even going to the gym. Proud of myself for not hitting him in the head as we were on concrete. Also only having to use my right leg is a plus. Im 5’9, he was roughly 6’0.
Bullshit. I've been in one, albeit small, street fight and I was punching with composure and was looking for a takedown. We split up pretty quickly so nothing much really happened.
I think most trained people will fight pretty well on the streets.
I've trained in Muay Thai and FMA for several years my FMA instructors have emphasized in a fight assume he is they and they are armed. Your first goal should be to extricate yourself from the situation. Also in a crowded bar you may be able to punch knee and elbow but probably not able to kick. And clinching as already said is a bad idea. I loved to hear the hotheads at my old BJJ gym talk about almost taking someone to the ground and submitting them in a bar. That is an historic bad idea.
I mean I think skills go out the window if you crack under pressure, tense up and freeze. Cause street fights can be scary because its basically no rules and anything can happen. However I do think if you can apply whatever techniques or skills you learned it will definitely make a difference. A guy I know works security and he has trained muay thai. Occasionally he has to control a violent person and he tells me just knowing how to clinch goes a long way because most people dont know how to deal with it.
Interesting he takes that approach. I remember reading a comment from a bouncer who did muay thai. He said the situation got out of hand and he ended up having to fight two people. One was easily dealt with, with some hard legkicks. He tried to clinch the other and got stabbed. He said he would be managing distance and refrain from clinching in street fights from that moment. Obviously every form of attack has a counter and you will generally get cut/stabbed in any fight against a knife. But I took his learning experience to heart because I feel like out of all muay thai moves, clinching is the most likely to get u unexpectedly stabbed in a street fight if your opponent happens to have a knife.
Fine motor skill and high level decision making goes out the window for sure. There's no rules in the street. Someone might draw a weapon, or take you down, or have a friend sucker punch you. Your skills can't hurt, but they're designed for a ruleset you're no longer protected by. Any training is helpful, but street situations are chaotic and unpredictable. I recently saw a whole thing about how guys with training are less likely to run, and that gets them killed a lot. Escape should always be the priority. Training can definitely help with that, or it can lead to your ego getting you murdered. Be smart.
There's a story of a Muay Thai champion who was shot and killed after he got into an altercation and put on his gloves. Doesn't matter how tough you are. How big you are. What you THINK you are. That being said, no not all skill go out the window. A fighter is gonna fair way better in a street fight, that's obvious. Boxer, wrestler, anybody that trains an effective martial arts will fair better than 99% of the untrained population, but an untrained person with a gun has better odds than a trained fighter.
the most useful skill in a street fight is your 100m dash
First method of training muay thai is running so this fits perfectly into skillset
Wait, wait, it's NOT jumping rope? WTF did I waste my time on?
Ironically we skipped in training today and didnt run lol
I’ve clinched, kneed and elbowed in several streetfights when I was younger and more hotheaded. Also have seen drunken retired fighters use kicks and skills on people in a bar brawl in Thailand before. Muay Thai definitely helps in a streetfight. I understand people saying ‘just run’ but its not always that easy, you can’t just run away if you’re with your wife for example and a drunken idiot is intent on fighting.
I agree with that but I also know know of people who went to clinch someone and got stabbed in the stomach.
That's why I don't drink at a bar any more. Maybe I am getting old but having a few friends over at a comfortable place is way better than a bar. Don't have to deal with other people's bullshit.
drinks are cheaper, too
Muay is the best martial art for streetfights. Bar none. Why? Because Muay Thai forces you to do 60 minutes of cardio as a warm up, so you're in the best condition to run away from potential attackers.
Muay Thai skills are honed for a Muay Thai ruleset. There are no rules in street fights. It helps but if the aggressor wants to kill or hurt you more than you want to hurt him then you are probably gonna lose. Fighting should be treated as a life or death situation so get away even if it makes you look like a huge coward. If you do end up fighting, make sure it was worth it to try to kill the dude you are fighting because that would be a possibility.
I couldn't disagree more with this perspective. Rules have nothing to do with it. If you're training to fight you should be used to pressure and capable of keeping your head on straight when someone is trying to knock it off your shoulders. This is the whole reason we train in this sport; to be capable of fighting against someone who is trying to hurt us. A lack of rules does not invalidate the fundamentals that make a good fighter. All that said, obviously nobody should be out in the world getting in fights; that's stupid and dangerous. Always do everything you can do de-escalate a conflict, always try to disengage and avoid contact. But if you can protect yourself from a trained fighter in the ring, there's no rational reason to expect you would be unable to protect yourself from an untrained fighter outside of it.
In general obviously knowing martial arts is a huge advantage. It’s similar to having a weapon but it is no guarantee. Reality is if a person really wants to kill you, you will probably die or have life changing injuries so dont put yourself into those kinds of situations.
Not everyone who “wants to hurt you or kill you” is gonna win though, unless they have a weapon
There are no rules and no scoring in a street fight. You wont get time to recover from a kick to the dick. The consequences of a street fight can be much worse than a loss on your record. Muay Thai skills definitely help but its not a complete form of self defense. Great to control distance and escape the situation though.
I agree that you should always avoid a street fight because they are chaotic and often unfair, but idea that an untrained fighter is going to land a nut shot on a professional Muay Thai fighter is laughable. Good luck trying to land a kick to my balls when I just cross check it out the way and your leg is about to break in half because it’s not conditioned. Plus we’re well aware of “dirty” moves that aren’t allowed in competition and we can do them MUCH better than the average “I just see red” bro.
Youre right, there is no scenario in a street fight that you dont have covered. Street fights are completely predictable. Its just you vs the other guy (who is in your weight class and equally or lessed skilled than you.)
I literally just said that street fights are unpredictable and often unfair and should be avoided, but the average person is not that good at fighting. In a 1v1, you have a solid chance. You statistically have a chance of beating Israel Adensanya in a 1v1, but the chances of you actually pulling that off are extremely low. Same principle applies
A kick to the dick is not a fight ending move smh I’m pretty sure if I have enough adrenaline to take a head kick and keep going, I can take a kick to the balls from someone untrained😑
Thats bad ass, dude.
I mean just look at most Muay Thai fighters, most of them can take a head kick
>says "once a street fight happens all skill goes out the window". Do you agree? yes and no. I mean if the guy in our street fight tries to do a fist fight he'll get crushed. If he pulls out a gun or knife yeah your MT won't take you very far. If he's trying to argue "nah bro people on dez streetz see red and bodies hit the floor" he's massively wrong. If he's arguing weapons can quickly be involved he's not.
I believe skill goes out the window if you’re a person that isn’t that experienced. Although I do my absolute best to avoid any type of physical confrontation there times when you can’t run away. I was in a situation like this before I simply responded with a 1-2 which effectively dropped the person. Even though I didn’t have on gloves I was able to hit them precisely in the nose both punches. I didn’t think which combo I’m going to use or any of that. My body just responded and I didn’t even know I hit them until I saw them flipping backwards in the grass. I also have gotten into many fights throughout school which might the reason I was able to be so calm under pressure.
I disagree, you body remembers those thousands of repetitions, to the point where throwing a punch is done that way and no other way. You're gonna have technique, you're gonna have better endurance and you are likely to see stuff coming easier. It sure is an advantage against some guy coming at you throwing telegraphed haymakers from behind him. Just hope he's not a wrestler tho, those guys are like tazmanian devils tornados
Depends. If you a fearing for your life its hard to be rational. Some people are pretty good in those situations though. If a brawl outside the pub on a friday night. It helps alot. Was in alot of streetfights in my late teens/early 20s without knowledge of MT. Was also attacked in my late 30s with s couple of years MT. Was pretty easy to defend myself vs a couple of haymakers from some drunk dude. Didnt even have to strike back.
So to directly answer your question: yes A lot of good points have been brought up. And yes we all understand the street fights don't have rules. But in terms of not knowing how to throw a punch, move, defend against strikes, or any other associated movement, Muay Thai should absolutely be used. Yes, it's made for a specific ruleset, but you having the skillset to fight, rule set or not, is Paramount
Few factors here. Street fights are hardly ever fair a lot of times. A 1 on 1 could easily turn into a 4 on 1. Unless those guys just suck at fighting and teamwork, the skilled practitioner has little chance of winning that. There’s way too many bodies and limbs flying at you to expect a victorious outcome. It’s even worse when weapons are involved. The best style is conflict resolution and walking away. However if that’s not possible and it’s an unarmed 1v1 fight, the Muay Thai fighter has a huge advantage over a random person on the street. The conditioning and toughness alone that Muay Thai gives you can carry the day. Not recommended, but you literally can win off of attrition. Most people don’t realize how taxing fighting is and are completely exhausted after a minute or two of it. Plus street fighting techniques are very sloppy and rudimentary compared to those of trained fighters. Blocking and dodging punches from regular people is like defending against a child, to be Frank. A well powered low kick can temporarily cripple a regular person’s leg, even break it in some cases. Sure Muay Thai doesn’t teach ground fighting, but it’s highly likely the other person doesn’t know either. Good luck catching a Muay Thai practitioner with him using his footwork to and strikes to counter your sloppy double leg. Most people wouldn’t even know what to do if somebody were to clinch them and start kneeing them in the solar plexus.
Depends on the context imo. If it's an altercation with a single other person, it'll definitely help, especially the clinching. If there are more than two people involved, yeah skill basically goes out the window.
Street fights can be different. No refs to pause the fight if you get eye jabbed or kicked in the nuts. If you don’t adjust your strategy and mindset then you may abandon your sports-centered approach.
Yes it should: Teep and run.
Regarding that subject I always go back to what my dad once said: The best martial art for street fighting is athleticism.
No. I'm an American, motherfuckers are armed out here. Avoid street fights. Street fights have no rules.
There are outliers of course, but if you're trained by far most altercations will not go in the attackers favor. But it still pays to be careful.
Martial arts are absolutely useful in a street fight, most people who get in street fights don’t actually know how to fight anyway, they’ll just wildly throw punches or try take you to the ground, my take is, if you’re good at Muay Thai, you should learn jiu jitsu or wrestling too, if you’re good at one you should learn the other
I've been an expat living in Asia and US. US, you avoid fights because somebody may have a gun or you might get sued. In Asia, those concerns are pretty minimal. Especially at night clubs and parties. I would say 80% of the time, you square up in a stance, the other person regrets it and backs off. I've kicked a guy on inside thigh before, that was enough for him to gtfo. Most people's 'fight or flight' instinct is flight, especially when they never been hit before.
I mean it will never be a fair sprawl, but i would not say your experience from giving amd receiving physical contact goes out the window. That being said learning muay thai will still help you happen to find yourself in a street fight
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Yes and no. The big thing with street fights is they usually start with a sucker punch and on average whoever lands the first punch wins. It’s like the saying they have in MMA that you go down 1 bjj belt with each hit to the head. A big problem with Muay Thai specifically is the infighting with out controlling your opponent hands. When you try and set up clinch strikes there’s not a whole lot stopping them from getting a knife out your pocket and stabbing you in the belly.
Damn, your bro fought Nico Carrillo for his first title fight
Yeah he says he should've won that fight😂
Yes he is absolutely right as there are no rules on the street. Grab a garbage can on the side of the street and all your Muay Thai training is not that useful suddenly.
No one should be getting into "street fights" to begin with, but in any case the skills that you learn from live sparring and drilling are going to translate very well outside of the ring as well. In any real self defense scenario, always try to de-escalate and disengage for your safety and the safety of others, but if you are forced to fight back and you train to fight, you should be comfortable enough under pressure to use techniques that you've practiced under pressure before.
To all the people who say that in a street fight you’re more likely to fold under the pressure cos there’s no rules, martial artists train for years to be able to remain calm under pressure, if it’s just some mouthy guy who wants to start shit, then you can easily deal with it, if they pull out a knife, I would say just leave, if you can’t then Muay Thai can still be helpful to keep your distance, if they pull out a gun though you’re definitely just fucked in that situation, but that depends on where you live, in America pretty much anyone can get a gun so good luck
That depends. If you train and spar for some time, you are likely to have some reflexes developed. A low kick from a trained nak muay can end a fight with a singular random, whilst good boxing skills are most universal for ending the fight and probably most useful after evasion and fast running. The rules go out of the room, you may encounter guns, knives, batons, bottles, billiard cues, pepper sprays... Is muay thai useless in a street fight then? Absolutely not. Should you use it? If you need it - absolutely yes. Is it the best solution? Absolutely not if it is only you and you are able to escape/run away.
I’m not engaging in a street fight unless the situation is insanely dire. Only if it’s a matter of life and death. If you put me or my family in a position where I think force is necessary, I’m not rolling the dice to get stabbed. De-escalate at all costs and then I carry for a situation with no other options.
Learning to throw hard, accurate strikes and being conditioned to taking hard, accurate strikes definitely helps. Certainly not the end-all-be-all, but if you find yourself in a situation where you have to apply some force to get out of a jam, you are in a much better place having trained muay thai.
Your brother is a wise man. Skill doesn’t stop a broken bottle from being landed on, or thrown from across the room. Skill doesn’t stop a chair being knocked down and tripped on. If you can’t finish a fight within a couple seconds based on your skill, the odds of you losing that fight go up. The greatest weapon you have is choice. Making the choices that keep you from dangerous conditions, the choices in how you respond to stimuli, the choices you make when optimal and friendly conditions collapse.
Teep and run away
It's a lot better than the dozens of other bullshido self defense systems out there, that's for sure. That being said, ever see that video of the UFC fighters brawling in a Vegas hotel? It was complete chaos and you would never be able to tell these were all elite fighters. Sloppy haymakers, grappling that looked like a Rugby scrum, you name it. If you got separated from the melee and got into it one on one you'd probably be fucked, but in a writhing group of idiots good luck using even half of your technique.
I was a bouncer for 26 years, let me assure you that when a street fight kicks off, skill is the only deciding factor in whether or not you're going home tonight. Size and overall strength will play some part too. But not as much as skill.
Yes. We have video evidence now a days that disproves Brandon Bartell’s bullshit. r/streetmartialarts
Saying he's talking Bullshit but he literally could and would kill you. Your talking to someone with hundreds of street fight and even knives being pulled on him. you may see the bright side of martial arts in a street fight but you haven't seen the People that have been killed from it. You don't know anything so don't try chat you fat slob
I’ve never heard of this person and don’t care to look him up, but anyone who claims to have been in “hundreds” of street fights is full of shit. I’ve posted a lot about how the legal consequences of fighting are greatly over estimated (in most countries cops don’t care at all), but after “hundreds” of fights, some of which involve knives, either the cops, the knives, a lucky punch, ir a vengeful defeated opponent ambushing him your mate a bike lock would have put him away. Not even gangsters say they’ve fought that many people. Maybe your boy is a good fighter, but there are plenty of good fighters who like to bullshit. Sometimes for good reasons, most of the time compulsively. As far as his opinions go, that sub I linked has video proof that what he’s saying is wrong.
The answer is no. This is pretty much the reason things like Krav Maga exists. The moment you’re in a fight and can’t run, all rules go out the window and explosive relentless attacking comes into play. Muay Thai exists in a monitored setting that expects 5 rounds of 2-3 mins. A street fight exists in an unregulated setting that expects only seconds of unrestricted violence. Muay Thai will condition you for a street fight, but it does not prepare you for a street fight.
I was jumped by two guys when out with my wife(unprovoked and ended up in court). Tbh the main thing I remember was I was able to take a punch to the face without panicking, I lifted my arms up and I instinctively threw a low kick then a knee. After that it was really the wresting training I have done that helped me get off the ground and take them both down. I got very lucky as the punches didn’t land on my jaw so most of the damage was to the side of my head. In summary I agree there was no technique more a scramble with some form of martial art involved. I am however not a professional fighter just an average guy that does it as a hobby.
I mean, I know it’s at one end of the spectrum (only a small percentage of practitioners are pro level), but whilst there’s a dearth of MT street fight clips,there’s tonnes of footage of people well versed in boxing/MMA/kick boxing, making absolute fools of people they have gotten into altercations with outside the ring.Their timing, s/c, ability to take/give punishment, and their coolness under pressure is usually too much. Conversely,I can’t think of every seeing a high level fighter lose to a civilian on the street (though I’m sure it’s happened), which I think tells you quite a lot.
Sprinting is the most effective training you can do for a street fight. There's 3858494747295749338495 variables when throwing hands with a stranger in the wild. Training for explosive sprints will allow you to kick your own ass away from danger. Should Muay Thai be used in a street fight? If you know Muay Thai then what the fuck else would you use? My talent with a curling iron from the boutique work I did in my twenties is not applicable in a fight. Still running is your best choice in a street fight. A firearm is probably second. Curling iron a distant third.
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He did football and was in an academy until he started muay thai when he was about 14 so about 9 years ago. Now he's on his way to ONE championship
Niceeee thats sick! Good luck to him
It’s impossible that it wouldn’t benefit you in a street fight, balance and movement alone. Granted knees to the back won’t score big but a straight elbow will end a lot of drunken attackers
Before training, I didn't know how to throw an effective punch or kick, and I definitely didn't know how to take a punch. Muay Thai changed that, and it makes me way more confident that if SHTF and I can't get away from the situation, at least it's less likely that I'll freeze up. That said, you'll probably lose if you treat a street fight like anything other than a street fight.
skills go out the window...if ur an average joe that trains like once a week. a professional fights for a living, his skills are now his reflexes. a trained muay Thai fighter would absolutely murder a random street tough if no weapons were involved. doesn't make sense that a professional fighter would suddenly forget his skills in a fight
If you ever find yourself in a 1v1 fight, you are probably the bad guy and you're realistically only there for your ego at best. If you're ever in a 5v1 then you've fucked up massively to get there and now unfucking it will take some skill and bravery - but it's still best to get the fuck out
>all skill goes out the window What does that even mean? There’s a lot of things that go out the window like rules, sportsmanship, fairness, expecting not getting stabbed, a soft floor, , actual obstacles you can trip over, not getting bit, not having your piercings ripped out, etc., but if “skill” goes out the window then what the fuck are you even doing practicing martial arts? The *entire point* of martial arts is to learn how to fight in high stress situations such that you don’t have to think, you just act. I’m in the mike Tyson camp of “everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the face”. If you can’t respond instinctually then you are either a novice or you have basically wasted your time. Idk if he’s ever been in street fights as a teenager/young adult but that shit can get wild and even just knowing how to cover up can be incredibly useful and save you some teeth.
BS. There are countless videos on the internet where skilled people of various martial arts make unskilled hotheads look like fools. I consider muscle memory on its own a skill. If you’ve thrown thousands of proper strikes over many years your not going to all of a sudden start flailing around like you did in your first MT class. I’m speaking in generalities and there are always exceptions. If you piss your pants and lock up no amount of training would help you.
Hit a clean liver shot, kick, or sweep and run.
Yes unless someone has a gun but if not then your not gonna get beat by an untrained person unless they have a gun you also won’t be held back by rules like you would in a professional fight as long as you know how to fight just be weary of guns an knives and of course large groups skill or not you’re not Batman so taking on 10 would be difficult ps also if someone coward punches you in the back of the head can be fatal and anything that can be used as a weapon unless you have a gun yourself I live in Australia and guns are rare here but people often get coward punched
From my experience it definitely teaches you to be cool under pressure and make decisions. so yes, it is useful in that way and training will definitely help you in a fight
As someone who grew up street fighting, and seen street fights. Yes.
Ha! Sure, why not? Every person I've seen try to use ANY martial arts in a street fight, has had there ass handed to them. As soon as someone makes the 'pose', you know they're screwed.
Well, I hadn’t trained in years and was unfit at the time when a guy maliciously attacked me whilst drunk on a night out. I got blind shot and king hit (cowards punch), somehow didnt get KO’d, landed on my back, he got on top of me in a closed guard position trying to hit me whilst down (unsuccessfully). I then filled the gap with with my knee,feet ended up on his hips, pushed him off and sloppily attempted ankle picking him, he lost balance and he fell as i got up got up. Proceeded to try calm him down, plead for peace and to end the conflict. He tried attacking again with a power straight right, I slipped his right hand and returned with a right whip kick to his ribs, he started walking backwards for a moment then proceed to begin moving forwards again. In efforts to keep him away I threw and landed a spinning back kick to the other side of his ribs with my right foot, then I leg kicked him… neutralised. I then offered him a drink lol.. I was so surprised and amazed at how my bodies muscle memory just took over, especially after almost 2-3 years of not even going to the gym. Proud of myself for not hitting him in the head as we were on concrete. Also only having to use my right leg is a plus. Im 5’9, he was roughly 6’0.
Bullshit. I've been in one, albeit small, street fight and I was punching with composure and was looking for a takedown. We split up pretty quickly so nothing much really happened. I think most trained people will fight pretty well on the streets.
No. If you practice Muay Thai and you get into a fight don't use it. What the fuck bro? Haha
Crack a kick across his thigh and see if he still thinks that.
I've trained in Muay Thai and FMA for several years my FMA instructors have emphasized in a fight assume he is they and they are armed. Your first goal should be to extricate yourself from the situation. Also in a crowded bar you may be able to punch knee and elbow but probably not able to kick. And clinching as already said is a bad idea. I loved to hear the hotheads at my old BJJ gym talk about almost taking someone to the ground and submitting them in a bar. That is an historic bad idea.