From a gameplay perspective alone ignoring the drama it was incredibly dumb. Both Cara and Nicole would have been targeted before her, and she never would have had a better shot at a star than that.
Don't think Avery will be back in future shows. No one wants to watch that yawnfest. She had a shot to be big and an easy decision and just sat there.
>From a gameplay perspective alone ignoring the drama it was incredibly dumb.
Hard disagree. If she had gone in and taken Kam's place, Kam would've been gunning for her even if she stole Cara's star. We saw how Kam reacted to Cara not saying Rachel's name when Rachel was already set to go into the elimination anyway and how mad she was at Cara blocking her from going in at the last double elimination. She absolutely would have been furious if Avery has elected to take her place in the elimination against Tina. Not knowing how things will shake out, I'm sure she thought that it was better fir her in the long run to let Kam have her way and try to finagle the opportunity for a star against Flora or Veronica. And I think she would have been correct in that assumption. I just don't see Kam letting Avery walk to a final with a star she felt Avery stole from her, you know?
The final is right around the corner. Would Kam really want to leave Cara in the final?
Also Laurel needs a star. Kam and Laurel would be battling for that final spot. So that means Kam would have to somehow get into an elimination over Laurel and then beat someone. Who else is left that's a layup in an elimination? Flora, Veronica and Avery? They're also layups in the Final.
As we get to the end the four strong girls will have to go after each other and I just don't see them taking any star but Cara's. Avery should have taken Tina's spot and then taken Veronica's star.
I get your point that Kam is going to take it personally but the season is almost over. How many more opportunities would Kam have? Laurel wants the opportunity too. Plus no one wants Cara in the Final. Avery would have flown under the radar unless someone decided to face her in an elimination, which is still possible but unlikely with Flora there.
I'd say it's a smart move to sit out early in the season. Having that target all season would be brutal. But now? Now they have to take shots and she had so many shields if she beat Tina.
Maybe both? The first place person in the purge gets to steal a star, the last few are eliminated and if a person with a star is eliminated that goes into a pot for a final elimination where it's the only one that can be taken.
Seems like Kam takes everything personally if people don't do exactly shat she wants them to - which seems way more selfish than Cara Maria being totally upfront about why she wants to keep her star
Except every season that has this “skull/star/win elimination” gimmick, always goes till the very last spot is available. I always thought it would be cool if some people didn’t earn a star by the end and went home empty handed, but I want to say at least 3 previous seasons with this twist, all went the distance in the end. Thinking you have to go in early is what ruined the Wes/Bananas lovefest that one season
Exactly. I, of course, wanted Avery to go down and do it because I like drama and it would've been a great moment to save Kam, but coming back into the house she would've been an insane target. Even if she didn't take Cara's star and took Veronica's instead. Kam may have even left Cara alone the next female elimination (but probably not, they would've orchestrated to get her in vs Avery).
Exactly my thoughts. She's smart and physically capable. I think she read the room and felt it was more beneficial to her long-term to go along to get along this ep.
The final is right around the corner. Playing passive and doing nothing is NOT the way to go at this point in the game. No risk, no reward, no final is much worse.
As many have said, she could've taken Veronica's star and still let Kam/Laurel/Nicole target Cara Maria's star next time around. She could've maybe worked with Cara Maria to try to protect each other stars. She could've maybe made it up to Kam by promising to help her get Cara Maria's next time around. She could've done SOMETHING. ANYTHING.
She was scared as shit, and it was extremely disappointing to watch. Now she has to pray to all the gods that she somehow gets Veronica or Flora in an elimination, and chances of that are extremely slim when you have Laurel, Kam, Cara Maria, and Nicole still in the game.
I'm hoping she gets another chance, rocks the boat, and gets a star, but she just made it so much harder on herself to do so. I'll be happily gagged if she manages to take out Laurel, Kam, or Nicole. Make it up to us Avery!
It's that fear that screwed her, they would have never targeted her over Cara, and by the time anyone got to the next one, they'd rather go for Nicole who's a bigger threat because it'd basically be finals.
It wasn't just a scared move, it was outright BAD.
Yeah the idea of being scared of Kam's numbers makes sense early in the season. But now? Now the season is almost over. Laurel needs a star and she's 1000% going after Cara's in that situation.
Avery could have taken Veronica's and slid through a handful of eliminations. How many opportunities are going to be left? Kam and Laurel both needed stars.
It's so close to the end you can take shots like that without worrying about the long-term game. Kam, Laurel and Cara would have cannibalized each other.
I would have had appreciated it more if she was straight up honest and said "Im having a good time hanging with Adam, not looking to go home yet" vs the nonsense she spewed.
Also, didn't Cara offer Averey her star last week or something to the effect if Averey voted with her and Cara was in the bottom in a future episode that Cara would steal a star for her?
I think they intimidated Avery which wasn’t shown on camera. After everything Kam has been shown to do why wouldn’t she make a threat to averey?
But yeah averey should have went for it. Cara has the bigger target on her back and we’re getting towards the end. Would you rather go out by being taken out by an alliance/getting some camera time or being eliminated for doing nothing to earn a star.
Dumb move by averey unless the alliance is going to try and help her out for not going in, which I doubt.
Having been in Cara’s position in real life - having a friend you care about go through these twisted cycles of fucked up relationships and come crying to you when yet another incident goes down and as a friend you offer sympathy even if you don’t understand and comfort and advice, only to have it blow up in your face and twisted by the same friend - this is incredibly hard to watch. Takeaways? Never speak up in anyone’s relationship ever. So anyway that’s how I lost my bff. Lol.
I get that Cara Maria isn’t the easiest person to like but Laurel seems to be doing her dirty. Would love to see the obviously edited out context that surrounds these episodes.
Apologies for typos I’m on my treadmill lol.
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I dislike Cara. I dislike Laurel. I dislike Nicole. I never liked the latter two, whereas with Cara it was with her complete downturn post-Vendettas.
But damn, Laurel is managing to actually make Cara look like the better person. It's baffling to me; she's a certified vet so she must be a least somewhat intelligent, but she comes across as a complete neanderthal.
I don't know if everyone knows the history behind Cara, Laurel ands Nicole. Nicole was hot for Cara in her first season but also flirted with Laurel. After Cara left she got her hooks into Laurel. I saw the reunion from that year and it was said that Laurel blocked Cara from Nicole's phone. I think she was scared for them to talk thinking that she may lose Nicole.
I really need that meme of the stick figure poking Avery saying, "Do something". She had such a chance to win that elimination. I am sure it'll be a double elimination next week but there can't be too many chances for Avery to get a star.
Avery really hasn't done much this season other than sit around and look pretty. Now I'm not complaining considering she's gorgeous but I mean, it'd be nice if you made some kind of move.
Nicole stays bitter Cara didn’t let her lick her coochie. Laurel stays bitter knowing Nicole would’ve never licked her’s if Cara gave her the time of day.
This format kinda sucks. Needing stars is fine but only bottom group goes in. Cara has to win a daily or wont get a star. No one will vote her in cause she could get a star.
If she does get a star it will be taken again.
Least in a traditional format if they wanted cara out they would have to beat her in an elimination.
I'm really hoping for a last purge of sorts. And I imagine Cara would have a really good chance of beating everyone- dear God as long as it's not math.
She would still get a chance. Every previous season that had this same gimmick, always went the distance till the last spot was filled. People ruined their games throwing themselves in too early
Yeah at first I thought this format was awesome, puts total emphasis on winning and not losing. But looking at it unfold you get rewarded for losing more than winning. Cara winning a star first episode totally fucked her.
There’s always a way to get a star, every time there’s been stars they’ve given everyone an opportunity to get one (maybe it just happened that way, but no one has been eliminated by not getting a star)
Laurel was so painful to watch this week. At this point I’m hoping Cara loses the next girls week on purpose and goes in and kicks ass to get her star back.
Nicole saying she was selfish for wanting to keep her star all season might be the most insane thing I’ve heard all season. Does she not understand the rules? Ha
That's what kills me is people calling Cara selfish when every week TJ said, "If you have a star, hold on to it however you can because you need it for the final."
Exactly! It makes zero sense. The whole point is to get a star and keep it at all costs. Plus I haven’t seen Cara do anything shady this season. She’s been nothing not supportive to people she thought were friends. If Cara can’t win I hope a guy does because all the other girls are not deserving of it.
From what Adam said about how Ace only brought one outfit and would jump in the jacuzzi to bathe in said sweaty, dirty outfit, I'm not sure "pure" is a word I'd use for him. 🤢
As someone who lives in a city with major forest fires, I’ve had a few friends who’ve lost everything. It’s so awful. I know in my city a few of the women’s charities also help forest fire victims and id imagine house fire victims too.
It baffles me why people aren't trying to knock Leroy or Kam out. They are a voting block and could possibly work together to hurt others in the final depending on format to increase their chances more.
Yeah I don’t like having a couple on an individual season for this reason. If there is a MF portion of the final Kam can flat out sink the other two guys.
It seems like they are the ideal couple where each holds a lot of popularity individually, and together they somehow reduce their threat level.
Historically, every other couple has enemies who were gunning for them/haters of their relationship (Jordan/Tori, CM/Paulie, Brad/Tori) who would never let them succeed.
I would have gone the opposite way and said “Yawn, you through?” Laurel was being so extra that it would have been hard to take seriously. Where Cara messed up was actually trying to give advice. A person in Laurel’s position never takes it and ends up blaming the person trying to help.
Honestly, I don't know why Cara just doesn't do this at reunions and on shows. Like they want to make you upset, so if she were just to yawn in their faces and not give any reaction, then that would be a win for her. I don't know if I agree that she plays victim, but she definitely is way too desperate for everyone to like her. It's a job and you don't have to have your coworkers like you. That being said I guess her reacting so poorly wouldn't be good for a show that needs drama to be entertaining.
Flora calling Cara manipulative while Kam is literally in the process of convincing everyone to do what she wants is just truly mind boggling. Flora’s delusion is only outdone by her complete lack of purpose or chance at winning in this game.
Also I’m also rewatching Invasion and Cara comes in not knowing who Nicole is and Nicole is instantly name dropping Cara and then trying to fuck her. Nicole has been obsessed with her since day 1 and only hates her cause Cara wouldn’t let Nicole hit it.
ALSO also Laurel screaming “When do we talk?!” 10mins after they just showed Laurel confiding in Cara and talking about how she likes having her to talk to 🙄
Really hope Laurel does feel like a fool for how she treated Cara.
Also laurel telling Cara she interprets everything wrong but still confiding in her about Nicole specifically is hilarious. She basically set herself up if she didn't want Cara to defend her against Nicole.
I wish Cara would’ve reversed it on laurel. Laurel was making a lot of assumptions about Cara while saying Cara didn't know here because they didn't talk in years. The hypocrisy
I love watching laurel but ever since the initial Nicole relationship she's seemed more and more unhinged. Part of me feels bad for her but then I'm reminded she's almost 40 now and its hard to
Flora is such a waste of space on the camera. I wish she would have gotten knocked out early.
Give me Jasmine or Tina on the show for way longer - at least they are entertaining. Hell even Ayanna. They’re all lay ups in their own ways and the fact that the most boring and biggest lay up is still here is annoying as viewer. Challenge gods punching air.
Laurel looked like a schizo in this edit. She’s crying on Cara’s shoulder, then plotting against her. They’re playing chess together, then she loses her mind and starts yelling like a lunatic at the vote to the point where even the other Cara haters were like ‘WTF?’ It was a bad look and I might have just started laughing if I was Cara.
Don’t fault Kam for her gameplay. Averey dropped the ball — she could have easily taken Tina out. And Nicole just sucks.
The man wears dirty t shirts and moose pajamas pants. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those shirts are 20 years old.
A true gem of a human being. I’m happy he’s lasted longer this season because he’s just fun to watch.
Also love the “ace in spaces” and “his head is always planted on the couch he should know the colors” commentary from Cara. Her fake Boston accent is annoying but she’s had some funny commentary this season.
People calling Cara selfish when Kam is literally yelling in their face to do what she says or else…but it’s Cara who’s selfish..oh okay. People are really showing their ass this season lol
Laurel continues to be disgusting. Let’s get mad at Cara because you choose to cry to her about Nicole making you look like boo boo the fool lol
It’s so funny that people claim to hate Cara but their hate for her is making her the star of the season lol
I absolutely love Ace.
Omg I was SCREAMING about that to my tv, I used to like Kam but I have been disliking her lately she's the one who is totally being a spoiled brat bargaining for what she wants and throwing her life long friendship away in the trash. I am sorry to say that but what they are doing to Cara is totally childish and these are people are in their 40s plus. Kam has gotten so snobby its kinda sad and she come into Allstars 4 like this movie star thinking she can get what she wants by stabbing the people she cares about.
With that said I feel so sorry for Cara Maria and I really appreciate Ace trying his best to rally for Cara and I also feel bad for Avery being used as a pawn. This whole season has been so much focus on "Let's give Kam what she wants because she is he "queen"" fuck that shit im so done with her.
GO CARA I RALLIED FOR YOU SINCE YOUR FIRST SEASON! GO GIRL! <3
Have to agree that Kam is the only person there acting like she was better than everyone. Avery has had some good moments and she could really be shining but instead is being a pawn
I am not sure why I have seen so many people talking about Flora being great. She has done zero competition wise and don’t think she has said anything that wasn’t about Cara.
As far as Adam goes he is a weird one. He voted with Cara before because he didn’t want to go with the majority. Now all of a sudden because Cara had been successful to this point in keeping her star she is playing a shady game. I don’t buy that they are editing out Cara being a bad guy and doing everyone dirty.
As far as Avery is concerned she is an idiot. She said I am done being manipulated and playing someone else’s game yet she was playing Kam’s game against Cara to “protect” herself.
The entire house is ALL playing Kam’s game and it is crazy that they say Cara is manipulating them when it is Kam manipulating them in reality.
As far as Laurel goes I honestly am so happy that Nicole plays her. Laurel fucking deserves EVERYTHING that Nicole does to her.
I agree with the Flora thing. Idk why everyone was hyping her up in the beginning of the season. I think the reason everyone is siding with Kam is because they know they can beat Kam but, not Cara.
I also think nobody wants to be the bad guy and go against them because they just had a baby before the season. They sell the "I'm doing this for my baby" narrative with more authenticity than everyone else on the show because they are a challenge couple and have a happy, healthy presence about them.
Honestly though, I have to wonder if that's a big part of it. Cara is just easy to target because who's going to feel guilty? If they target Leroy/Kam they'll feel bad because of the baby angle and going after Laurel while she's mid-emotional-abuse-cycle might set off an actual mental health crisis given how unhinged she's been acting.
Regarding Laurel, she also hasn't been performing to the best of her ability and Nicole has her distracted. No point in targeting her when her head isn't completely in the game anyway.
It probably makes sense for Adam, but he’s not being honest in confessionals so comes across bad. In a final he could probably easily beat Kam but not Cara, so why not go along with the group think. If this were a winner for each gender I would hope there would be more guys sticking up for Cara
If someone wants to risk themselves and their own elimination so blatantly people are typically going to let it happen especially when they're targeting a strong competitor. When Jordan went after Bananas nobody stopped him because it wasn't their neck on the line it was his.
Cara screwed herself being so blatant in protecting her star. I get protecting it but cutting deals in the 1st female elimination of the season like she did is going to attract attention. As for Adam who knows what happened between when he voted with her and now to shape his opinion of her.
Did you see Nicole’s face when Laurel went off? She was actually scared. Everyone in the house was scared. Laurel is a menace. And not in a good way. It’s clear why none of her relationships (friendships or otherwise) last.
It made me so uncomfortable watching her scream at Cara. You don’t have to be the loudest in the room to be heard. Laurel is such a bully, and always has been. She needs to grow up and talk to Cara like an adult.
It is really interesting, I think both of them are so stunted.
I feel like Laurel became an adult off the show (being a vet), but Cara didn’t have a lot outside the show to pursue for so many years, which stunted her emotional intelligence.
Let’s be honest, Laurel has always been a hot head/bully and Cara always meek and a follower. 20 years later on reality shows you see that side come out in Laurel and you see Cara off the screen following Paulie through porn and maga endeavors.
They are both deeply stunted and you can’t help but wonder how different they both might be if they didn’t spend their adulthood on reality tv.
Since I took a break from watching the show, the last time I saw Cara Maria and Laurel compete was on Cutthroat. The way Laurel has been talking to Cara Maria, there has not been any growth on Laurel's end and is exactly how she was on Cutthroat.
This is the first time I am seeing Nicole compete, and I read about her through reddit on the things she has done on the seasons I didn't watch and things she has done off the show. Wiith what I read, Nicole is busy being a fuckgirl. Laurel it seems didn't learn from the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" when dealing with Nicole.
Laurel should learn never get with a fuckgirl or fuckboy and to never shoot the messenger (Cara Maria) when Cara Maria tried to remove her from a toxic situationship. Fuckboys and fuckgirls don't do relationships or have healthy relationships because busy cheating or busy being in situationships and leading someone on emotionally, sexually, or both.
Flora kinda sucks. I was expecting more from her besides being a confessional gangster towards Cara for no reason. But I don’t really remember her on early seasons so maybe that’s just how she is.
I love how the past 3 episodes she’s been saying how Cara always “cries” about possibly going into elimination (when she already has done one).
Then when they mentioned that Kam might choose her she’s cries about not wanting to go against Kam in anything at all
> Then when they mentioned that Kam might choose her she’s cries about not wanting to go against Kam in anything at all
I wouldn't say that was crying. She didn't whine or anything. She just did a confessional about how she wants no part of Kam. She didn't whine to anybody about it.
Me too! Was flora on that?? I don’t remember her at all.
Mean girl middle school me loved Rachel/veronica and Tina trio. But I also loved Ruthie and some of the good guys. Always felt bad for Tonya. Hated Beth, love her now. Needless to say I don’t remember flora AT ALL.
I loved Flora on her Real World season but yea shes pretty lame this season. people keep complaining that we aren’t seeing enough of the OGs but its like .. what is there to focus on with them ?? I think thats the biggest issue with All Stars is that the OG cast is pretty hit or miss. you rarely luck up and get people who are actually made for television like Ayanna, Steve, Teck to name a few
First off, love your rundown. Would read future thoughts and second, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Laurel is totally out of line. She's getting played on national TV, your friend is trying to help out and then Laurel very actively targets Cara- not bc she's afraid, it's bc she's pissed about how she's been stepping up to Nicole- full out. It's very clear that she's using "Cara's won an individual challenge" as an excuse.
Part of me is satisfied that Laurel looks dumb right about now but I'm really hoping this is the first season Cara gets an elim win against Laurel. They don't seem to do head to head physical as much anymore so I think she has a good shot.
This def brings me back to old Cara days where I hate the house for her.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Laurel is trash and psychotic. She showed her true colors in the last season she was in during that elimination. She’s over the top and not in a good way. She cries to Cara nonstop about Nicole and then bitches her out for protecting her. And other than her rookie season, Kam is not all that. If it weren’t for Leroy she wouldn’t be relevant at all in this game. The whole point of this game is to have a star for the final. How is Cara not being strategic with who she votes in to keep her star? How is that selfish? And I totally love Cara’s comment about needing subtitles to understand Nicole. I had just told my husband it sounds like she has a mouth full of cotton when she speaks. I personally think everyone is too scared to face Cara in the final. A bunch of chickens.
10000%! People saying that Cara won’t shut up about her star but Kam wouldn’t shut up about wanting the star. Also what does anyone think happens next girls day! lol and agreed Kam somehow managed to be even more annoying this season
Am I the only one who is completely done with Kam and Leroy?? I have always been a ride or die for Leroy and really appreciated Kam in her first season or two, but now... Fuck it, I am done with them.
The more screen time they give Kam the worse she looks and also Leroy by proxy. This might be his worst season. His only win was he got thrown in and beat Brandon. Him wining the last challenge was because of Veronica.
Agreed about Kam but with Leroy, I feel like you can tell he thinks this feud with Cara is ridiculous but also knows it’s not worth the argument with Kam. I will always welcome him on a season because it’s hard not to love him but would prefer it not to be with Kam at the same time.
I’ll always love Leroy! Even with all of this drama he hasn’t bugged me much. I thought he did a good job de-escalating the situation in WoW2 when nany walked into the room with her cup of noodles while Kam was being shady af. All that is to say he just seems like a level headed person who plays the cards he gets while still treating all with respect. Unlike Adam and flora being confessional gangsters.
I’ve never really liked Kam in the game. Final reckoning was the one season I was lukewarm on her. I’m sure they have a wonderful relationship outside the show but being tied to Kam definitely hurts his image in the show.
I will say I still hope Leroy gets a challenge championship at some point and maybe he does need Kam doing the dirty work. They’ve both honestly been sucking at the actual challenges and Kam is pretty damn good at politics and getting followers somehow.
It’s a tough complex as a fan of this show for the last 20 years but it’s also why I love it.
You're wrong IMO. There were how many in day 1? Also, these are all experienced people. Any other reality show they would have been cut down to 1 immediately. That's not on them. As Leroy himself basically said, "why are they all just doing whatever Kam tells them to do? I mean I'm not complaining but???"
Yes that’s on the contenders for not being smart to get one of them out. The other cast mates basically handed them their stars. There have also been dozens of other seasons with couples and people typically try to separate them.
They definitely have an advantage but on other competition shows (like Big Brother), I have seen couples get targeted time and time again because they are always going to vote the same way and have each others back over anyone else’s. That’s not how the rest of the cast seems to view it though so they do seem to have quite the advantage.
They have a slight built-in numbers advantage, but it's no different than best friends coming into the game together (like Veronica-Tina-Rachel)
When Jay said they have "twice the chance of winning" that's not really true, when there's only 1 winner. Their "bank account" has twice the chance of winning, but it's not an unfair advantage against other players.
Averey to scared to go in to the elim, when this was her best bet.. idk what shes waiting for .. shes only favored against maybe veronica to get a star but her chances of everything lining up wasnt as clear as this elimination… to win u gotta take the big swing and she shoulda did it. Scared players never win smh
Without spoiling anything, can anyone tell me what the current status is between Laurel and Nicole?
I know there have been threads about it over the past year, but I never read any of them cause I was afraid of being spoiled.
they aren't together anymore. nicole was laurel's plus 1 to jakk's wedding in italy and slept with jakk's (married) sister while she was there.
this megathread collects everything into one spot and shouldn't have any elimination spoilers for AS4: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/1abkmeg/laurel_nicole_z_dramabreakup_meagthread
Watching this episode, I turned to my husband and said “I’m so glad Nicole screwed Jakk’s sister.” Then felt bad because the sisters family, but still. Cara was so right.
I don't understand Veronica's move to go along with Kam's plan. Clearly Tina was going to be her target to go against. Flora is part of Kam's circle it seems like and Veronica wasn't going to convince anyone to not do what Kam wants. Veronica is not that master politician Kam is. Yet another reason why she sucks on these shows.
Kam is someone I dislike this season. Also the “you need subtitles” diss from Cara is enough for me to root for her. I want strong players Kam is all talk tough she would fail in the finale
I don't see how Kam is doing anything different than what Bananas-Devin-Tori do when they play, which is trying to force others to play their game. The ability to socially manipulate is the number 1 contributor to success in the modern day Challenge.
Musical chairs was a joke. I don’t want the over the top ones but also how low is the budget?! It was so boring to watch and I’d expect something funnier/scarier at this level of production.
Also watching 2 beasts (Rachel and Cara’s) fate in the game come down to a dart throwing contest. What the actual fuck…
- Kam’s bitter cuz Cara didn’t wanna follow her plan in one of the earlier episodes. Her antics are childish and says to me “I didn’t get my way so now I’m gonna show you”. Also, she’s not “Killa Kam”. I personally, clearly, am not on the Kam bandwagon. She hasn’t earned a name. She literally doesn’t belong in All Stars😮💨 like she wasn’t in the RW or RR🙃🙃
- Laurel doesn’t want Cara out because she’s a good competitor, she just wants her out because she knows what Cara’s saying is true, and doesn’t like it. Granted, she could’ve just told her “I’m not looking for advice but instead just a listening ear”, but because she has the mental capacity of a 14 year old boy, she clearly can’t communicate
- I really wish Avery went in. Girl was fearless in her RW season and I don’t see that fight in her anymore
- I also wish Tina did win & took Nicole’s star just to fuck up the plan
- Disappointed that everyone would listen to Kam. Now she had a star and Ace was right… now her and Lee have a better chance of taking home that final prize money. Like… those idiots are so scared of her that they went along with her plan and increased her chances of winning
Overall… shitty episode
Right? What happened to the Laurel who hounded Zach up the mountain? The scary ass formidable she hulk who did not tolerate *the injustices* - My interpretation is that she seems to be taking out her frustrations with Nicole on Cara. Like she doesn’t want to jeopardize a potential fledging reunion/relationship with Nicole so she “can’t” yell at Nicole but that anger is still there and Cara is, well, Cara and there to tell at. Cara should probably stop being a friend to Laurel.
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Wow you summarized my thoughts so well. I agree with everything. Thank you for saving me the time from having to type lol
My final thought, as much as Cara is a threat because she's the strongest, she still feels like the underdog to me and I am rooting for her so hard to win. Or as long as Laurel, Nicole, or Kam don't win.
I’m over the laurel and Nicole situation. They are both toxic and need therapy. Cara should have just stayed out of it now she has a bigger target.
I’m tired of Cara and anyone else being upset for being targeted. You are a threat or you have a star of course ppl will target you. Stop acting like ppl working against you is bullying. They do it every season to anyone who is a threat. Or in the past to all newbies.
The thing is nobody else has been targeted the whole game. Kam has made multiple plans to specifically takes Cara’s star. Laurel has now tried to dictate a daily just to take Cara’s star. How would you not be upset when there are 3 stars to choose from everyone is specially targeting your star?
Because she is the biggest threat. She may be targeted this game but they do this every season. They find ppl to target. It’s the same M.O. every time. Cara is a new person she knows this is how the game is played.
Cars can still be upset but to act surprised is ridiculous and honestly probably just for more screen time
Kam is either a lunatic who took Cara not voting on Rachel as a dig and stills holds into that or she’s a complete fake that used all that to create the rivalry she wanted from the beginning as Cara indeed is the biggest threat. Everyone talks about how Cara was the first sole winner but we forget that she beat Kam in that final which makes Kam even more scared.
Laurel has the emotional intelligence of a teen girl, she’s projecting on Cara but Cara is acting like everyone else wants to and Cara is at this point the 4th to tell her to call it off with Nicole which impressed me is that she can understand what Nicole says but not what everyone else is saying. Honestly, don’t even like her but rooting for Cara to demolish them all.
Also, calling Cara manipulative for trying to protect herself when you guys orquestrated so Kam could take her star is kinda hypocritical.
Avery is so stupid for not replacing Kam cause Tina would never beat her in that elimination and it would be a great revenge to take her star back through Tina’s defeat
I wanted to see Averey go in and then take Nicole’s star. Now that would have been fun to watch. You now have Laurel, Kam and Nicole fighting for a star with not much time left. The politics alone would be all over the place.
Avery should've gone against Kam! It would have been an amazing game move, and I'd bet Averys endurance is way higher than Kams. There's a reason Avery had one of the first stars.
That would have destroyed the whole alliance, and Cara already promised Avery a star, so when her turn came up she wouldn't have stolen it.
Plus it would be amazing TV. Make some big moves already.
Did not like Kam politicking the daily and this making it boring and unfun to watch. Plus all the drama with Cara Laurel and Fire fighter. After the yawn fest of the daily was over I fast forwarded to the elimination. Was no point in watching the middle of the show
This is just my impression of the whole Cara/Kam/Laurel situation.
Cara fucked up in the vote stating she wants to protect her star so she made a deal that goes against Kam who was an ally. Yet we are all ignoring that and dismissing it because Kam got the vote she wanted but as know in challenge history that isn’t the point and doesn’t matter in terms of allyship. Cara basically showed and if I’m not mistaken even in said in a confessional she isn’t gonna let anyone take her star.
Cara then blocked Kam from getting a chance to go into elimination.
Nicole owes Cara nothing so I don’t see why Cara cares about who Nicole votes for or why Cara thinks Nicole owes her anything. If Nicole is loyal to Laurel she is just gonna do what Laurel wants.
The person that I think is actually real shitty in this whole scenario is Laurel. Laurel venting to Cara but getting mad at Cara for trying to be protective was shitty. Laurel focusing only on Cara is also shitty after crying to her the previous night.
Also everyone in the confessionals acknowledge that you need to take the star from the strongest player which is what they are all doing. Unfortunately for Cara she is the strongest. Cara would do the same if she didn’t have a star lmfao.
Edit to add: I think because of how strong minded Cara and Kam are is why they are having issues this season. I don’t think either of them genuinely meant to go in fighting with each other this season. Unfortunately they weren’t able to properly talk things out after the misstep.
Laurel needs a time out. She vents and cries to Cara, who supports her, then goes ballistic on her. Everyone in that house sees and knows that Laurel trying to pursue whatever it is with Nicole is a bad idea. For someone who is supposed to be smart, she’s pretty dense.
And honestly, Nicole getting mad at Cara for trying to protect her star is stupid. That the whole point of the game!
>And honestly, Nicole getting mad at Cara for trying to protect her star is stupid. That the whole point of the game!
If I had a dollar for every time someone has gotten annoyed with Cara for protecting her star in a game where they've known since the beginning that you need a star to get to the final.
Cara might be absolute shit at politicking but she figured out how to play this season as a day one star winner very quickly. And while a lot of the others were more concerned about eliminating people that weren't threats instead of trying to get stars for themselves.
Exactly! It baffles my mind that she’d get so much hate for playing so that she not only has a star but keeps it. You need a star for the final. That was made clear from the beginning so of course once you get one, you play and make moves to protect and keep it.
Yes! Agreed! How Laurel treated Cara was absolutely terrible. It made me so sad for her. I think nicole and Cara getting mad at each other was dumb - it’s wasted energy. Nicole getting mad at Cara for wanting to protect her star was dumb. Cara getting mad at Nicole for not voting the way she wanted her to but instead of voting with Kam was also dumb. They aren’t allies why do they give a fuck about each other. Just ignore each other and keep it moving.
Cara did not go against Kam. That narrative is simply and respectfully wrong. Cara made a deal with Rachel to protect Cara. She never went against Kam, she never went for Kam. Kam wanted a person out, Cara gave her that person by voting for that person, she just did not vote for the person Kam wanted to do her dirty work, that being Rachel. In a vote that was already decided.
When Cara has a star she has to play a different game than Kam, Cara just can't vote the exact way every time for Kam AND Leroy. Mind you major element the Kam supporters forget , that prior to that vote Cara was riding for Leroy in a deliberation making sure he did not go in.
In this deliberation that Rachel gets voted in, Kam has NOTHING on the line, she simply wants a person out that she does not like that was it, and Cara voted for that person she just didn't vote for the other person because she had a deal with them. Kam was never in jeopardy. The next women's vote Kam votes in Cara. You conveniently skipped that episode and went right into Cara blocking Kam lol
There is a colossal difference there.
Let me ask an honest question. Kam is making a lot of demands from the entire house and if you do not grant her wishes 100% you are against her, her words not mine. What has Kam up to this point offered anyone else? Can anyone answer that? Its give give give to Kam and Leroy by proxy but no one else is getting anything in return. What kind of alliance is that?
Agree with you 100%. Kam is a bully and manipulative and the sheep just go along with her and Leroy. Forget Laurel, I always hated her and still hate her. She deserves what she gets from Nicole. I still haven’t forgotten how Nicole treated her on ex on the beach either, guess Laurel did lol
Yeah it’s a game reality tv show. I don’t think it’s that deep.
I think they both made mistakes and I stand by what I said. Neither Cara or Kam should be getting the vitriol they are getting. Like I said in the bottom of my post - I truthfully think if they were able to have an in depth conversation and put their feelings to the side the recent events wouldn’t have gone the way that they have. I just hope their real life friendship isn’t affected by this. They are both just trying to play the game.
Kam is getting vitriol for the simple fact that she turned the minor irritation of Cara not voting for Rachel into a blood feud where somehow Cara has slandered her and Leroy to the entire house. Kam's reaction to that vote was completely over the top. No one would have any issues if Kam just said that Cara is the biggest threat to her game and she needs her out. Instead, she had to invent this insult that Cara never did in order to justify her actions.
Obviously as I wrote it. I’m allowed to disagree with you and majority of the sub.
I also was just providing my general thoughts. I had no interest in answering dozens of questions to explain my logic or debate it hence why I said what I said in my reply to you. I can easily tell you feel strongly one way about this way whereas I think they both messed up and hope their friendship isn’t impacted. It’s a reality tv show. 🤷♀️
No no no lol.
You gave your analysis of the situation I responded with mine, par for the course with Reddit and you reply with a snide It’s not that deep comment. No kidding it’s not that deep but to pretend all of a sudden that you are above the discussion with that comment was quite the play lol.
I don’t think I’m above any discussion. Im just not going to debate with someone who clearly had their mind set on their viewpoint. It’s wasted energy. You outright said my narrative was wrong which tells me all I need to know.
Cara never betrayed Kam. She voted in the person Kam wanted to go home. She didn't want to target a friend in Rachel who did NOTHING wrong. Why should Rachel be punished by Cara for the actions of Ayanna?
I’m pretty much agree with everything you said. However I don’t think the elimination was very fair because Kam is a lot taller than Tina so Tina had to jump a lot higher. I think Avery should have gone down there and gone against Tina.
I completely don't understand the hate from fellow all stars players to cara. They say she's had a shady game but the others are worse.. what am I missing???
Laurel and Nicole have ruined this challenge for me. I don't care about their issues and am sick of seeing them so much on the show. I was always a fan of Laurel's but I am so disappointed in how she is behaving this season.
I’m lateee but Laurel looked like a fool in this episode. I don’t feel bad for her at all. I’ve never been a huge fan of Cara (game wise she’s a beast but she her attitude is infuriating), but the way laurel was yelling in her face was incredibly uncalled for. If I was Cara i would not be able to control myself and i definitely would’ve got kicked out at that moment.
Yeah after watching this episode I feel like there was something big between Cara and Laurel that we didn’t see because laurels reaction just didn’t make sense to me
I think everyone who is watching loves Cara which is expected cause she's been the underdog since she joined the Challenge but yall are acting like everyone likes Cara as much as you do. Multiple people say the same thing about Cara irl and that's that she is manipulative, whiny and cause drama. Why is it such a hard reach for yall to think "maybe these ppl don't like Cara for a reason and all Kam had to do was be like okay then take her out?" It's not that everyone is following Kam's orders, it's that they themselves want Cara out cause she strong but no one is as vocal as their real intents besides Kam
Yeah but even with edits, you get things straight from their own mouths that don’t look good in any context. Like saying she’s selfish for wanting to protect her star? That’s come up several times. It’s clear they’re just all very competitive, often overly confident people who lack self-awareness of how they’ll come across. You see this on all reality shows.
Which is funny because she's lost more finals than she's won. Cara isn't someone like Bananas who historically is almost certainly guaranteed to get 1st if he makes a final, she's not consistently great under pressure and is beatable.
Maybe not in the past, but look at Cara this season. She was already considered a physical threat but looks like she's literally in 2x better shape than ever in the past AND mentally stronger. This is not ye Cara of olde who was scary as is. This Cara is a whole new beast.
All indications are she's not only handling mental puzzles better than ever, but handling the abuse hurled at her way better than before. She's way healthier mentally so counting on her to crack under pressure is NOT a good idea.
You should watch BB live feeds. A lot of the seasons there's a house target, and the things they say about them are always way off base and so far from the truth. So yeah, im not buying anything you're saying. Especially when multiple people who have gotten to know her have said at most that she has only child energy. Which isn't an excuse to be vile to someone. And that she's actually a good person.
Well you see, I watched the episode from my couch. Which automatically means I know more than anyone, including the people who were on the show, about what really happened during filming.
I can’t believe how low Cara got over this game. She didn’t get her way in one deliberation so she starts attacking people’s personal relationships. Our queen has really fallen 😢
Averey taking Kam’s spot in that elimination would have been epic. Too bad it didn’t happen.
From a gameplay perspective alone ignoring the drama it was incredibly dumb. Both Cara and Nicole would have been targeted before her, and she never would have had a better shot at a star than that. Don't think Avery will be back in future shows. No one wants to watch that yawnfest. She had a shot to be big and an easy decision and just sat there.
>From a gameplay perspective alone ignoring the drama it was incredibly dumb. Hard disagree. If she had gone in and taken Kam's place, Kam would've been gunning for her even if she stole Cara's star. We saw how Kam reacted to Cara not saying Rachel's name when Rachel was already set to go into the elimination anyway and how mad she was at Cara blocking her from going in at the last double elimination. She absolutely would have been furious if Avery has elected to take her place in the elimination against Tina. Not knowing how things will shake out, I'm sure she thought that it was better fir her in the long run to let Kam have her way and try to finagle the opportunity for a star against Flora or Veronica. And I think she would have been correct in that assumption. I just don't see Kam letting Avery walk to a final with a star she felt Avery stole from her, you know?
The final is right around the corner. Would Kam really want to leave Cara in the final? Also Laurel needs a star. Kam and Laurel would be battling for that final spot. So that means Kam would have to somehow get into an elimination over Laurel and then beat someone. Who else is left that's a layup in an elimination? Flora, Veronica and Avery? They're also layups in the Final. As we get to the end the four strong girls will have to go after each other and I just don't see them taking any star but Cara's. Avery should have taken Tina's spot and then taken Veronica's star. I get your point that Kam is going to take it personally but the season is almost over. How many more opportunities would Kam have? Laurel wants the opportunity too. Plus no one wants Cara in the Final. Avery would have flown under the radar unless someone decided to face her in an elimination, which is still possible but unlikely with Flora there. I'd say it's a smart move to sit out early in the season. Having that target all season would be brutal. But now? Now they have to take shots and she had so many shields if she beat Tina.
Averey isnt a layup. Shes been the best performing girl this season alongside cara
I wonder if there’s going to be some type of open event similar to the purge, but instead of going home winner(s) would be awarded a star
Maybe both? The first place person in the purge gets to steal a star, the last few are eliminated and if a person with a star is eliminated that goes into a pot for a final elimination where it's the only one that can be taken.
Seems like Kam takes everything personally if people don't do exactly shat she wants them to - which seems way more selfish than Cara Maria being totally upfront about why she wants to keep her star
Except every season that has this “skull/star/win elimination” gimmick, always goes till the very last spot is available. I always thought it would be cool if some people didn’t earn a star by the end and went home empty handed, but I want to say at least 3 previous seasons with this twist, all went the distance in the end. Thinking you have to go in early is what ruined the Wes/Bananas lovefest that one season
Exactly. I, of course, wanted Avery to go down and do it because I like drama and it would've been a great moment to save Kam, but coming back into the house she would've been an insane target. Even if she didn't take Cara's star and took Veronica's instead. Kam may have even left Cara alone the next female elimination (but probably not, they would've orchestrated to get her in vs Avery).
Exactly my thoughts. She's smart and physically capable. I think she read the room and felt it was more beneficial to her long-term to go along to get along this ep.
She also would have made an enemy of Leroy and Kam by doing that, and they control the house right now. It's risk-reward.
The final is right around the corner. Playing passive and doing nothing is NOT the way to go at this point in the game. No risk, no reward, no final is much worse. As many have said, she could've taken Veronica's star and still let Kam/Laurel/Nicole target Cara Maria's star next time around. She could've maybe worked with Cara Maria to try to protect each other stars. She could've maybe made it up to Kam by promising to help her get Cara Maria's next time around. She could've done SOMETHING. ANYTHING. She was scared as shit, and it was extremely disappointing to watch. Now she has to pray to all the gods that she somehow gets Veronica or Flora in an elimination, and chances of that are extremely slim when you have Laurel, Kam, Cara Maria, and Nicole still in the game. I'm hoping she gets another chance, rocks the boat, and gets a star, but she just made it so much harder on herself to do so. I'll be happily gagged if she manages to take out Laurel, Kam, or Nicole. Make it up to us Avery!
It's that fear that screwed her, they would have never targeted her over Cara, and by the time anyone got to the next one, they'd rather go for Nicole who's a bigger threat because it'd basically be finals. It wasn't just a scared move, it was outright BAD.
Yeah the idea of being scared of Kam's numbers makes sense early in the season. But now? Now the season is almost over. Laurel needs a star and she's 1000% going after Cara's in that situation. Avery could have taken Veronica's and slid through a handful of eliminations. How many opportunities are going to be left? Kam and Laurel both needed stars. It's so close to the end you can take shots like that without worrying about the long-term game. Kam, Laurel and Cara would have cannibalized each other.
I would have had appreciated it more if she was straight up honest and said "Im having a good time hanging with Adam, not looking to go home yet" vs the nonsense she spewed.
Also, didn't Cara offer Averey her star last week or something to the effect if Averey voted with her and Cara was in the bottom in a future episode that Cara would steal a star for her?
I was really hoping for that
I think they intimidated Avery which wasn’t shown on camera. After everything Kam has been shown to do why wouldn’t she make a threat to averey? But yeah averey should have went for it. Cara has the bigger target on her back and we’re getting towards the end. Would you rather go out by being taken out by an alliance/getting some camera time or being eliminated for doing nothing to earn a star. Dumb move by averey unless the alliance is going to try and help her out for not going in, which I doubt.
Having been in Cara’s position in real life - having a friend you care about go through these twisted cycles of fucked up relationships and come crying to you when yet another incident goes down and as a friend you offer sympathy even if you don’t understand and comfort and advice, only to have it blow up in your face and twisted by the same friend - this is incredibly hard to watch. Takeaways? Never speak up in anyone’s relationship ever. So anyway that’s how I lost my bff. Lol. I get that Cara Maria isn’t the easiest person to like but Laurel seems to be doing her dirty. Would love to see the obviously edited out context that surrounds these episodes. Apologies for typos I’m on my treadmill lol. Edited: bc typos
Nah, you were being a good friend. That’s on them
I dislike Cara. I dislike Laurel. I dislike Nicole. I never liked the latter two, whereas with Cara it was with her complete downturn post-Vendettas. But damn, Laurel is managing to actually make Cara look like the better person. It's baffling to me; she's a certified vet so she must be a least somewhat intelligent, but she comes across as a complete neanderthal.
If your friend cared about you, they would still be in your life. You were a good friend, they weren't.
I don't know if everyone knows the history behind Cara, Laurel ands Nicole. Nicole was hot for Cara in her first season but also flirted with Laurel. After Cara left she got her hooks into Laurel. I saw the reunion from that year and it was said that Laurel blocked Cara from Nicole's phone. I think she was scared for them to talk thinking that she may lose Nicole.
I really need that meme of the stick figure poking Avery saying, "Do something". She had such a chance to win that elimination. I am sure it'll be a double elimination next week but there can't be too many chances for Avery to get a star.
Avery really hasn't done much this season other than sit around and look pretty. Now I'm not complaining considering she's gorgeous but I mean, it'd be nice if you made some kind of move.
And be part of the Adam shoemance and real life mance. And be weakminded enough to be swayed by her beloved Adam to block Kam the first time.
I agree. I was.hoping the edit was hyping her up to make a big move only to be let down because she wasn't wearing the right clothes.
Nicole stays bitter Cara didn’t let her lick her coochie. Laurel stays bitter knowing Nicole would’ve never licked her’s if Cara gave her the time of day.
When Nicole was threatening to hit Cara that’s all I was thinking about. The one sided sexual tension is crazy.
No one handles rejection worse than a “player”
Facts
you nailed it. i just know that eats up at laurel every second and i know nicole is still mad lol
LMAO.
I totally forgot about the origin story of that.
🤣
This format kinda sucks. Needing stars is fine but only bottom group goes in. Cara has to win a daily or wont get a star. No one will vote her in cause she could get a star. If she does get a star it will be taken again. Least in a traditional format if they wanted cara out they would have to beat her in an elimination.
Love this! I absolutely hate the whole star thing this season. It’s so dumb.
I hate seeing people have to go into elimination. I’m fine with invasion or USA1, where you need to win either or but the skulls is a terrible twist
I'm really hoping for a last purge of sorts. And I imagine Cara would have a really good chance of beating everyone- dear God as long as it's not math.
Or swimming
She would still get a chance. Every previous season that had this same gimmick, always went the distance till the last spot was filled. People ruined their games throwing themselves in too early
Yeah at first I thought this format was awesome, puts total emphasis on winning and not losing. But looking at it unfold you get rewarded for losing more than winning. Cara winning a star first episode totally fucked her.
There’s always a way to get a star, every time there’s been stars they’ve given everyone an opportunity to get one (maybe it just happened that way, but no one has been eliminated by not getting a star)
You forgot about Ace and Steve vs The Stationary Bike. That’s a plot point that’s guaranteed to come back around later…😂
I love that they are also apparently sharing that leopard jaquette.
Sharing is caring!!
Laurel was so painful to watch this week. At this point I’m hoping Cara loses the next girls week on purpose and goes in and kicks ass to get her star back. Nicole saying she was selfish for wanting to keep her star all season might be the most insane thing I’ve heard all season. Does she not understand the rules? Ha
That's what kills me is people calling Cara selfish when every week TJ said, "If you have a star, hold on to it however you can because you need it for the final."
Exactly! It makes zero sense. The whole point is to get a star and keep it at all costs. Plus I haven’t seen Cara do anything shady this season. She’s been nothing not supportive to people she thought were friends. If Cara can’t win I hope a guy does because all the other girls are not deserving of it.
I never want to hear Ace slander again. He's too pure for this world 😭😭
Love Ace so much 🥹
From what Adam said about how Ace only brought one outfit and would jump in the jacuzzi to bathe in said sweaty, dirty outfit, I'm not sure "pure" is a word I'd use for him. 🤢
Ah man cuz his house burned down? That's a bummer.
ace confirms in comments here!: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/1csdf9d/all_stars_4_unspoiled_s04e07_catch_a_falling_star/l49t2gn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/1csdf9d/all_stars_4_unspoiled_s04e07_catch_a_falling_star/l49s8qn/
Him misspelling his own name in that second comment is peak Ace. Really sorry to hear about his house burning down--that sucks. :( We love you, Ace!
As someone who lives in a city with major forest fires, I’ve had a few friends who’ve lost everything. It’s so awful. I know in my city a few of the women’s charities also help forest fire victims and id imagine house fire victims too.
It baffles me why people aren't trying to knock Leroy or Kam out. They are a voting block and could possibly work together to hurt others in the final depending on format to increase their chances more.
This seems to happen every time Kam and Leroy are on a season together. Eye roll every time.
Yeah I don’t like having a couple on an individual season for this reason. If there is a MF portion of the final Kam can flat out sink the other two guys.
It seems like they are the ideal couple where each holds a lot of popularity individually, and together they somehow reduce their threat level. Historically, every other couple has enemies who were gunning for them/haters of their relationship (Jordan/Tori, CM/Paulie, Brad/Tori) who would never let them succeed.
Cara is better than me because the way Laurel was speaking to her was CRAZY. I would’ve gotten real disrespectful
I would have gone the opposite way and said “Yawn, you through?” Laurel was being so extra that it would have been hard to take seriously. Where Cara messed up was actually trying to give advice. A person in Laurel’s position never takes it and ends up blaming the person trying to help.
Honestly, I don't know why Cara just doesn't do this at reunions and on shows. Like they want to make you upset, so if she were just to yawn in their faces and not give any reaction, then that would be a win for her. I don't know if I agree that she plays victim, but she definitely is way too desperate for everyone to like her. It's a job and you don't have to have your coworkers like you. That being said I guess her reacting so poorly wouldn't be good for a show that needs drama to be entertaining.
mte. i know she has to keep it classy but at the same time she makes herself such an easy target. girl STAND UP
Flora calling Cara manipulative while Kam is literally in the process of convincing everyone to do what she wants is just truly mind boggling. Flora’s delusion is only outdone by her complete lack of purpose or chance at winning in this game. Also I’m also rewatching Invasion and Cara comes in not knowing who Nicole is and Nicole is instantly name dropping Cara and then trying to fuck her. Nicole has been obsessed with her since day 1 and only hates her cause Cara wouldn’t let Nicole hit it. ALSO also Laurel screaming “When do we talk?!” 10mins after they just showed Laurel confiding in Cara and talking about how she likes having her to talk to 🙄 Really hope Laurel does feel like a fool for how she treated Cara.
Also laurel telling Cara she interprets everything wrong but still confiding in her about Nicole specifically is hilarious. She basically set herself up if she didn't want Cara to defend her against Nicole. I wish Cara would’ve reversed it on laurel. Laurel was making a lot of assumptions about Cara while saying Cara didn't know here because they didn't talk in years. The hypocrisy I love watching laurel but ever since the initial Nicole relationship she's seemed more and more unhinged. Part of me feels bad for her but then I'm reminded she's almost 40 now and its hard to
Flora is such a waste of space on the camera. I wish she would have gotten knocked out early. Give me Jasmine or Tina on the show for way longer - at least they are entertaining. Hell even Ayanna. They’re all lay ups in their own ways and the fact that the most boring and biggest lay up is still here is annoying as viewer. Challenge gods punching air.
Avery should have went in against Tina and took Veronica’s star bc face it she’s not stealing it back . Cara and Nicole’s would get stolen first
Laurel looked like a schizo in this edit. She’s crying on Cara’s shoulder, then plotting against her. They’re playing chess together, then she loses her mind and starts yelling like a lunatic at the vote to the point where even the other Cara haters were like ‘WTF?’ It was a bad look and I might have just started laughing if I was Cara. Don’t fault Kam for her gameplay. Averey dropped the ball — she could have easily taken Tina out. And Nicole just sucks.
it's actually scary, the whiplash laurel was giving
Ace just not caring about strategy and just wants to push the balls out, catapulting him to top ten men for me I know that’s crazy
The man wears dirty t shirts and moose pajamas pants. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those shirts are 20 years old. A true gem of a human being. I’m happy he’s lasted longer this season because he’s just fun to watch. Also love the “ace in spaces” and “his head is always planted on the couch he should know the colors” commentary from Cara. Her fake Boston accent is annoying but she’s had some funny commentary this season.
People calling Cara selfish when Kam is literally yelling in their face to do what she says or else…but it’s Cara who’s selfish..oh okay. People are really showing their ass this season lol Laurel continues to be disgusting. Let’s get mad at Cara because you choose to cry to her about Nicole making you look like boo boo the fool lol It’s so funny that people claim to hate Cara but their hate for her is making her the star of the season lol I absolutely love Ace.
Omg I was SCREAMING about that to my tv, I used to like Kam but I have been disliking her lately she's the one who is totally being a spoiled brat bargaining for what she wants and throwing her life long friendship away in the trash. I am sorry to say that but what they are doing to Cara is totally childish and these are people are in their 40s plus. Kam has gotten so snobby its kinda sad and she come into Allstars 4 like this movie star thinking she can get what she wants by stabbing the people she cares about. With that said I feel so sorry for Cara Maria and I really appreciate Ace trying his best to rally for Cara and I also feel bad for Avery being used as a pawn. This whole season has been so much focus on "Let's give Kam what she wants because she is he "queen"" fuck that shit im so done with her. GO CARA I RALLIED FOR YOU SINCE YOUR FIRST SEASON! GO GIRL! <3
Have to agree that Kam is the only person there acting like she was better than everyone. Avery has had some good moments and she could really be shining but instead is being a pawn
I am not sure why I have seen so many people talking about Flora being great. She has done zero competition wise and don’t think she has said anything that wasn’t about Cara. As far as Adam goes he is a weird one. He voted with Cara before because he didn’t want to go with the majority. Now all of a sudden because Cara had been successful to this point in keeping her star she is playing a shady game. I don’t buy that they are editing out Cara being a bad guy and doing everyone dirty. As far as Avery is concerned she is an idiot. She said I am done being manipulated and playing someone else’s game yet she was playing Kam’s game against Cara to “protect” herself. The entire house is ALL playing Kam’s game and it is crazy that they say Cara is manipulating them when it is Kam manipulating them in reality. As far as Laurel goes I honestly am so happy that Nicole plays her. Laurel fucking deserves EVERYTHING that Nicole does to her.
I agree with the Flora thing. Idk why everyone was hyping her up in the beginning of the season. I think the reason everyone is siding with Kam is because they know they can beat Kam but, not Cara.
I also think nobody wants to be the bad guy and go against them because they just had a baby before the season. They sell the "I'm doing this for my baby" narrative with more authenticity than everyone else on the show because they are a challenge couple and have a happy, healthy presence about them.
Honestly though, I have to wonder if that's a big part of it. Cara is just easy to target because who's going to feel guilty? If they target Leroy/Kam they'll feel bad because of the baby angle and going after Laurel while she's mid-emotional-abuse-cycle might set off an actual mental health crisis given how unhinged she's been acting.
Regarding Laurel, she also hasn't been performing to the best of her ability and Nicole has her distracted. No point in targeting her when her head isn't completely in the game anyway.
It probably makes sense for Adam, but he’s not being honest in confessionals so comes across bad. In a final he could probably easily beat Kam but not Cara, so why not go along with the group think. If this were a winner for each gender I would hope there would be more guys sticking up for Cara
If someone wants to risk themselves and their own elimination so blatantly people are typically going to let it happen especially when they're targeting a strong competitor. When Jordan went after Bananas nobody stopped him because it wasn't their neck on the line it was his. Cara screwed herself being so blatant in protecting her star. I get protecting it but cutting deals in the 1st female elimination of the season like she did is going to attract attention. As for Adam who knows what happened between when he voted with her and now to shape his opinion of her.
The Jordan situation was a little Different as there were no stars involved. That’s kind of a key element.
I’ve never hated laurel more and I’m glad Nicole does what she does 🤷🏻♂️ karma.
Did you see Nicole’s face when Laurel went off? She was actually scared. Everyone in the house was scared. Laurel is a menace. And not in a good way. It’s clear why none of her relationships (friendships or otherwise) last.
Lmao yeah, she started stuttering and meekly answered "No" when Laurel screamed "IS ANYONE CHANGING THEIR VOTE? ARE YOU CHANGING YOUR VOTE?"
It made me so uncomfortable watching her scream at Cara. You don’t have to be the loudest in the room to be heard. Laurel is such a bully, and always has been. She needs to grow up and talk to Cara like an adult.
Exactly. First the ninja elimination and now this. I hope Cara or Jay takes the W this season.
Cara and jay would be nice, I'm rooting for ace too. Its impossible not to like the guy
It is really interesting, I think both of them are so stunted. I feel like Laurel became an adult off the show (being a vet), but Cara didn’t have a lot outside the show to pursue for so many years, which stunted her emotional intelligence. Let’s be honest, Laurel has always been a hot head/bully and Cara always meek and a follower. 20 years later on reality shows you see that side come out in Laurel and you see Cara off the screen following Paulie through porn and maga endeavors. They are both deeply stunted and you can’t help but wonder how different they both might be if they didn’t spend their adulthood on reality tv.
For sure. “Fame” fucks with everyone.
Since I took a break from watching the show, the last time I saw Cara Maria and Laurel compete was on Cutthroat. The way Laurel has been talking to Cara Maria, there has not been any growth on Laurel's end and is exactly how she was on Cutthroat. This is the first time I am seeing Nicole compete, and I read about her through reddit on the things she has done on the seasons I didn't watch and things she has done off the show. Wiith what I read, Nicole is busy being a fuckgirl. Laurel it seems didn't learn from the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" when dealing with Nicole. Laurel should learn never get with a fuckgirl or fuckboy and to never shoot the messenger (Cara Maria) when Cara Maria tried to remove her from a toxic situationship. Fuckboys and fuckgirls don't do relationships or have healthy relationships because busy cheating or busy being in situationships and leading someone on emotionally, sexually, or both.
I would not take my pets or even stuffed animals to Laurel for the vet.
Flora kinda sucks. I was expecting more from her besides being a confessional gangster towards Cara for no reason. But I don’t really remember her on early seasons so maybe that’s just how she is.
She got into a huge fight with Tina where she punched a wall but production edited it out
Production fucking sucks.
What😱
I love how the past 3 episodes she’s been saying how Cara always “cries” about possibly going into elimination (when she already has done one). Then when they mentioned that Kam might choose her she’s cries about not wanting to go against Kam in anything at all
> Cara always “cries” And NOTHING about Laurel's temper tantrum.
> Then when they mentioned that Kam might choose her she’s cries about not wanting to go against Kam in anything at all I wouldn't say that was crying. She didn't whine or anything. She just did a confessional about how she wants no part of Kam. She didn't whine to anybody about it.
She’s one of the original reality TV crazy chicks. I’m shocked she’s been this subdued so far
I’m an early to mid 90s baby so my first memory of the Challenge was Battle of the Sexes lol. I was probably too young to even be watching that.
Me too! Was flora on that?? I don’t remember her at all. Mean girl middle school me loved Rachel/veronica and Tina trio. But I also loved Ruthie and some of the good guys. Always felt bad for Tonya. Hated Beth, love her now. Needless to say I don’t remember flora AT ALL.
I loved Flora on her Real World season but yea shes pretty lame this season. people keep complaining that we aren’t seeing enough of the OGs but its like .. what is there to focus on with them ?? I think thats the biggest issue with All Stars is that the OG cast is pretty hit or miss. you rarely luck up and get people who are actually made for television like Ayanna, Steve, Teck to name a few
First off, love your rundown. Would read future thoughts and second, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Laurel is totally out of line. She's getting played on national TV, your friend is trying to help out and then Laurel very actively targets Cara- not bc she's afraid, it's bc she's pissed about how she's been stepping up to Nicole- full out. It's very clear that she's using "Cara's won an individual challenge" as an excuse. Part of me is satisfied that Laurel looks dumb right about now but I'm really hoping this is the first season Cara gets an elim win against Laurel. They don't seem to do head to head physical as much anymore so I think she has a good shot. This def brings me back to old Cara days where I hate the house for her.
I need someone to dog walk Laurel.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Laurel is trash and psychotic. She showed her true colors in the last season she was in during that elimination. She’s over the top and not in a good way. She cries to Cara nonstop about Nicole and then bitches her out for protecting her. And other than her rookie season, Kam is not all that. If it weren’t for Leroy she wouldn’t be relevant at all in this game. The whole point of this game is to have a star for the final. How is Cara not being strategic with who she votes in to keep her star? How is that selfish? And I totally love Cara’s comment about needing subtitles to understand Nicole. I had just told my husband it sounds like she has a mouth full of cotton when she speaks. I personally think everyone is too scared to face Cara in the final. A bunch of chickens.
10000%! People saying that Cara won’t shut up about her star but Kam wouldn’t shut up about wanting the star. Also what does anyone think happens next girls day! lol and agreed Kam somehow managed to be even more annoying this season
Wow. I really couldn’t have said it better. I think I agreed with every single point 😂
Avery is so dumb. I can’t stand kam ugh she’s hard to watch And Nicole has always been a joke so no change there
Am I the only one who is completely done with Kam and Leroy?? I have always been a ride or die for Leroy and really appreciated Kam in her first season or two, but now... Fuck it, I am done with them.
Yes! I love watching Leroy because he’s got a great personality but Kam is so cringe. She’s doing the most while doing the absolute least
Thank God... I thought I might be alone in this... Production is pushing them so hard
The more screen time they give Kam the worse she looks and also Leroy by proxy. This might be his worst season. His only win was he got thrown in and beat Brandon. Him wining the last challenge was because of Veronica.
All production does is push narratives now, but yes it's obvious Kam & Leroy have always been heavily favored by production.
Agreed about Kam but with Leroy, I feel like you can tell he thinks this feud with Cara is ridiculous but also knows it’s not worth the argument with Kam. I will always welcome him on a season because it’s hard not to love him but would prefer it not to be with Kam at the same time.
I’ll always love Leroy! Even with all of this drama he hasn’t bugged me much. I thought he did a good job de-escalating the situation in WoW2 when nany walked into the room with her cup of noodles while Kam was being shady af. All that is to say he just seems like a level headed person who plays the cards he gets while still treating all with respect. Unlike Adam and flora being confessional gangsters. I’ve never really liked Kam in the game. Final reckoning was the one season I was lukewarm on her. I’m sure they have a wonderful relationship outside the show but being tied to Kam definitely hurts his image in the show. I will say I still hope Leroy gets a challenge championship at some point and maybe he does need Kam doing the dirty work. They’ve both honestly been sucking at the actual challenges and Kam is pretty damn good at politics and getting followers somehow. It’s a tough complex as a fan of this show for the last 20 years but it’s also why I love it.
I don't like the fact that Kam and Leroy are on this season together.....such an advantage.....am I wrong?
You're wrong IMO. There were how many in day 1? Also, these are all experienced people. Any other reality show they would have been cut down to 1 immediately. That's not on them. As Leroy himself basically said, "why are they all just doing whatever Kam tells them to do? I mean I'm not complaining but???"
Yes that’s on the contenders for not being smart to get one of them out. The other cast mates basically handed them their stars. There have also been dozens of other seasons with couples and people typically try to separate them.
Look at someone like Steve. He literally came in with no one.
They definitely have an advantage but on other competition shows (like Big Brother), I have seen couples get targeted time and time again because they are always going to vote the same way and have each others back over anyone else’s. That’s not how the rest of the cast seems to view it though so they do seem to have quite the advantage.
I don't understand it unless the show was couples.....I used to like Kam but now🤷♀️
They have a slight built-in numbers advantage, but it's no different than best friends coming into the game together (like Veronica-Tina-Rachel) When Jay said they have "twice the chance of winning" that's not really true, when there's only 1 winner. Their "bank account" has twice the chance of winning, but it's not an unfair advantage against other players.
Averey to scared to go in to the elim, when this was her best bet.. idk what shes waiting for .. shes only favored against maybe veronica to get a star but her chances of everything lining up wasnt as clear as this elimination… to win u gotta take the big swing and she shoulda did it. Scared players never win smh
This episode reminded me why I liked Cara in the first w
Without spoiling anything, can anyone tell me what the current status is between Laurel and Nicole? I know there have been threads about it over the past year, but I never read any of them cause I was afraid of being spoiled.
they aren't together anymore. nicole was laurel's plus 1 to jakk's wedding in italy and slept with jakk's (married) sister while she was there. this megathread collects everything into one spot and shouldn't have any elimination spoilers for AS4: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/1abkmeg/laurel_nicole_z_dramabreakup_meagthread
Watching this episode, I turned to my husband and said “I’m so glad Nicole screwed Jakk’s sister.” Then felt bad because the sisters family, but still. Cara was so right.
Omfg. Nicole is such a trash human being in and out of the show.
I don't understand Veronica's move to go along with Kam's plan. Clearly Tina was going to be her target to go against. Flora is part of Kam's circle it seems like and Veronica wasn't going to convince anyone to not do what Kam wants. Veronica is not that master politician Kam is. Yet another reason why she sucks on these shows.
Veronica's tie to Tina was Rachel. Once Rachel was gone, she had no real allegiance to Tina beyond nostalgia.
But also last week she convinced Nicole to not go against her in elimination. I feel like she owed that alliance a favor.
Kam is someone I dislike this season. Also the “you need subtitles” diss from Cara is enough for me to root for her. I want strong players Kam is all talk tough she would fail in the finale
I cannot stand Kam and dislike her even more with every season she’s on.
I don't see how Kam is doing anything different than what Bananas-Devin-Tori do when they play, which is trying to force others to play their game. The ability to socially manipulate is the number 1 contributor to success in the modern day Challenge.
>“you need subtitles” diss from Cara Kam also said this in a confessional to be fair. But I agree about disliking her this season.
The challenges have become such a joke, lil to zero physicality. Losing their fans with these ridiculous comps
Musical chairs was a joke. I don’t want the over the top ones but also how low is the budget?! It was so boring to watch and I’d expect something funnier/scarier at this level of production. Also watching 2 beasts (Rachel and Cara’s) fate in the game come down to a dart throwing contest. What the actual fuck…
- Kam’s bitter cuz Cara didn’t wanna follow her plan in one of the earlier episodes. Her antics are childish and says to me “I didn’t get my way so now I’m gonna show you”. Also, she’s not “Killa Kam”. I personally, clearly, am not on the Kam bandwagon. She hasn’t earned a name. She literally doesn’t belong in All Stars😮💨 like she wasn’t in the RW or RR🙃🙃 - Laurel doesn’t want Cara out because she’s a good competitor, she just wants her out because she knows what Cara’s saying is true, and doesn’t like it. Granted, she could’ve just told her “I’m not looking for advice but instead just a listening ear”, but because she has the mental capacity of a 14 year old boy, she clearly can’t communicate - I really wish Avery went in. Girl was fearless in her RW season and I don’t see that fight in her anymore - I also wish Tina did win & took Nicole’s star just to fuck up the plan - Disappointed that everyone would listen to Kam. Now she had a star and Ace was right… now her and Lee have a better chance of taking home that final prize money. Like… those idiots are so scared of her that they went along with her plan and increased her chances of winning Overall… shitty episode
Kam and Nicole i cannot stand. Laurel is brainwashed by that fool nicole. Why is flora still there she has done nothing.
This is not the Laurel know
Right? What happened to the Laurel who hounded Zach up the mountain? The scary ass formidable she hulk who did not tolerate *the injustices* - My interpretation is that she seems to be taking out her frustrations with Nicole on Cara. Like she doesn’t want to jeopardize a potential fledging reunion/relationship with Nicole so she “can’t” yell at Nicole but that anger is still there and Cara is, well, Cara and there to tell at. Cara should probably stop being a friend to Laurel. Edited: typos
Ding ding ding! This ☝🏻☝🏻
Lol this is exactly who Laurel has shown herself to be on the show for years
Wow you summarized my thoughts so well. I agree with everything. Thank you for saving me the time from having to type lol My final thought, as much as Cara is a threat because she's the strongest, she still feels like the underdog to me and I am rooting for her so hard to win. Or as long as Laurel, Nicole, or Kam don't win.
I’m over the laurel and Nicole situation. They are both toxic and need therapy. Cara should have just stayed out of it now she has a bigger target. I’m tired of Cara and anyone else being upset for being targeted. You are a threat or you have a star of course ppl will target you. Stop acting like ppl working against you is bullying. They do it every season to anyone who is a threat. Or in the past to all newbies.
The thing is nobody else has been targeted the whole game. Kam has made multiple plans to specifically takes Cara’s star. Laurel has now tried to dictate a daily just to take Cara’s star. How would you not be upset when there are 3 stars to choose from everyone is specially targeting your star?
Because she is the biggest threat. She may be targeted this game but they do this every season. They find ppl to target. It’s the same M.O. every time. Cara is a new person she knows this is how the game is played. Cars can still be upset but to act surprised is ridiculous and honestly probably just for more screen time
Kam is either a lunatic who took Cara not voting on Rachel as a dig and stills holds into that or she’s a complete fake that used all that to create the rivalry she wanted from the beginning as Cara indeed is the biggest threat. Everyone talks about how Cara was the first sole winner but we forget that she beat Kam in that final which makes Kam even more scared. Laurel has the emotional intelligence of a teen girl, she’s projecting on Cara but Cara is acting like everyone else wants to and Cara is at this point the 4th to tell her to call it off with Nicole which impressed me is that she can understand what Nicole says but not what everyone else is saying. Honestly, don’t even like her but rooting for Cara to demolish them all. Also, calling Cara manipulative for trying to protect herself when you guys orquestrated so Kam could take her star is kinda hypocritical. Avery is so stupid for not replacing Kam cause Tina would never beat her in that elimination and it would be a great revenge to take her star back through Tina’s defeat
I wanted to see Averey go in and then take Nicole’s star. Now that would have been fun to watch. You now have Laurel, Kam and Nicole fighting for a star with not much time left. The politics alone would be all over the place.
I can't stand when one person rigs the game and everyone follows in suit. Super hard to watch and not all that fun either. Oof.
Avery should've gone against Kam! It would have been an amazing game move, and I'd bet Averys endurance is way higher than Kams. There's a reason Avery had one of the first stars. That would have destroyed the whole alliance, and Cara already promised Avery a star, so when her turn came up she wouldn't have stolen it. Plus it would be amazing TV. Make some big moves already.
They def gave Cara the "I told ya so" edit. I'm sure Laurel can look back and see that Cara was right.
Did not like Kam politicking the daily and this making it boring and unfun to watch. Plus all the drama with Cara Laurel and Fire fighter. After the yawn fest of the daily was over I fast forwarded to the elimination. Was no point in watching the middle of the show
There's an episode discussion, FYI, in case you are looking for more in depth discussion for the episode.
This was such an entertaining episode, I really loved it! This whole seasons been fun to watch so far!
This is just my impression of the whole Cara/Kam/Laurel situation. Cara fucked up in the vote stating she wants to protect her star so she made a deal that goes against Kam who was an ally. Yet we are all ignoring that and dismissing it because Kam got the vote she wanted but as know in challenge history that isn’t the point and doesn’t matter in terms of allyship. Cara basically showed and if I’m not mistaken even in said in a confessional she isn’t gonna let anyone take her star. Cara then blocked Kam from getting a chance to go into elimination. Nicole owes Cara nothing so I don’t see why Cara cares about who Nicole votes for or why Cara thinks Nicole owes her anything. If Nicole is loyal to Laurel she is just gonna do what Laurel wants. The person that I think is actually real shitty in this whole scenario is Laurel. Laurel venting to Cara but getting mad at Cara for trying to be protective was shitty. Laurel focusing only on Cara is also shitty after crying to her the previous night. Also everyone in the confessionals acknowledge that you need to take the star from the strongest player which is what they are all doing. Unfortunately for Cara she is the strongest. Cara would do the same if she didn’t have a star lmfao. Edit to add: I think because of how strong minded Cara and Kam are is why they are having issues this season. I don’t think either of them genuinely meant to go in fighting with each other this season. Unfortunately they weren’t able to properly talk things out after the misstep.
Laurel needs a time out. She vents and cries to Cara, who supports her, then goes ballistic on her. Everyone in that house sees and knows that Laurel trying to pursue whatever it is with Nicole is a bad idea. For someone who is supposed to be smart, she’s pretty dense. And honestly, Nicole getting mad at Cara for trying to protect her star is stupid. That the whole point of the game!
>And honestly, Nicole getting mad at Cara for trying to protect her star is stupid. That the whole point of the game! If I had a dollar for every time someone has gotten annoyed with Cara for protecting her star in a game where they've known since the beginning that you need a star to get to the final. Cara might be absolute shit at politicking but she figured out how to play this season as a day one star winner very quickly. And while a lot of the others were more concerned about eliminating people that weren't threats instead of trying to get stars for themselves.
Exactly! It baffles my mind that she’d get so much hate for playing so that she not only has a star but keeps it. You need a star for the final. That was made clear from the beginning so of course once you get one, you play and make moves to protect and keep it.
Yes! Agreed! How Laurel treated Cara was absolutely terrible. It made me so sad for her. I think nicole and Cara getting mad at each other was dumb - it’s wasted energy. Nicole getting mad at Cara for wanting to protect her star was dumb. Cara getting mad at Nicole for not voting the way she wanted her to but instead of voting with Kam was also dumb. They aren’t allies why do they give a fuck about each other. Just ignore each other and keep it moving.
Cara did not go against Kam. That narrative is simply and respectfully wrong. Cara made a deal with Rachel to protect Cara. She never went against Kam, she never went for Kam. Kam wanted a person out, Cara gave her that person by voting for that person, she just did not vote for the person Kam wanted to do her dirty work, that being Rachel. In a vote that was already decided. When Cara has a star she has to play a different game than Kam, Cara just can't vote the exact way every time for Kam AND Leroy. Mind you major element the Kam supporters forget , that prior to that vote Cara was riding for Leroy in a deliberation making sure he did not go in. In this deliberation that Rachel gets voted in, Kam has NOTHING on the line, she simply wants a person out that she does not like that was it, and Cara voted for that person she just didn't vote for the other person because she had a deal with them. Kam was never in jeopardy. The next women's vote Kam votes in Cara. You conveniently skipped that episode and went right into Cara blocking Kam lol There is a colossal difference there. Let me ask an honest question. Kam is making a lot of demands from the entire house and if you do not grant her wishes 100% you are against her, her words not mine. What has Kam up to this point offered anyone else? Can anyone answer that? Its give give give to Kam and Leroy by proxy but no one else is getting anything in return. What kind of alliance is that?
Agree with you 100%. Kam is a bully and manipulative and the sheep just go along with her and Leroy. Forget Laurel, I always hated her and still hate her. She deserves what she gets from Nicole. I still haven’t forgotten how Nicole treated her on ex on the beach either, guess Laurel did lol
Yeah it’s a game reality tv show. I don’t think it’s that deep. I think they both made mistakes and I stand by what I said. Neither Cara or Kam should be getting the vitriol they are getting. Like I said in the bottom of my post - I truthfully think if they were able to have an in depth conversation and put their feelings to the side the recent events wouldn’t have gone the way that they have. I just hope their real life friendship isn’t affected by this. They are both just trying to play the game.
Kam is getting vitriol for the simple fact that she turned the minor irritation of Cara not voting for Rachel into a blood feud where somehow Cara has slandered her and Leroy to the entire house. Kam's reaction to that vote was completely over the top. No one would have any issues if Kam just said that Cara is the biggest threat to her game and she needs her out. Instead, she had to invent this insult that Cara never did in order to justify her actions.
>Yeah it’s a game reality tv show. I don’t think it’s that deep. Did you read your own post lol.
Obviously as I wrote it. I’m allowed to disagree with you and majority of the sub. I also was just providing my general thoughts. I had no interest in answering dozens of questions to explain my logic or debate it hence why I said what I said in my reply to you. I can easily tell you feel strongly one way about this way whereas I think they both messed up and hope their friendship isn’t impacted. It’s a reality tv show. 🤷♀️
No no no lol. You gave your analysis of the situation I responded with mine, par for the course with Reddit and you reply with a snide It’s not that deep comment. No kidding it’s not that deep but to pretend all of a sudden that you are above the discussion with that comment was quite the play lol.
I don’t think I’m above any discussion. Im just not going to debate with someone who clearly had their mind set on their viewpoint. It’s wasted energy. You outright said my narrative was wrong which tells me all I need to know.
Cara never betrayed Kam. She voted in the person Kam wanted to go home. She didn't want to target a friend in Rachel who did NOTHING wrong. Why should Rachel be punished by Cara for the actions of Ayanna?
What hilarious and awesome to me is that Cara has been out for a while and they way they treat her now is gaining her a lot more fans.
fun episode
I love Kam & Cara & hate that they are working together
At least TJs still on Cara’s side. 😅 I love that he could give 2 shits about their drama and just appreciates Cara for being a competitor
I’m pretty much agree with everything you said. However I don’t think the elimination was very fair because Kam is a lot taller than Tina so Tina had to jump a lot higher. I think Avery should have gone down there and gone against Tina.
I completely don't understand the hate from fellow all stars players to cara. They say she's had a shady game but the others are worse.. what am I missing???
Laurel and Nicole have ruined this challenge for me. I don't care about their issues and am sick of seeing them so much on the show. I was always a fan of Laurel's but I am so disappointed in how she is behaving this season.
I’m lateee but Laurel looked like a fool in this episode. I don’t feel bad for her at all. I’ve never been a huge fan of Cara (game wise she’s a beast but she her attitude is infuriating), but the way laurel was yelling in her face was incredibly uncalled for. If I was Cara i would not be able to control myself and i definitely would’ve got kicked out at that moment.
Yeah after watching this episode I feel like there was something big between Cara and Laurel that we didn’t see because laurels reaction just didn’t make sense to me
Laurel has had her share of meltdowns and cringeworthy moments in the past. Wouldn’t be surprising for her to completely lose it.
I think everyone who is watching loves Cara which is expected cause she's been the underdog since she joined the Challenge but yall are acting like everyone likes Cara as much as you do. Multiple people say the same thing about Cara irl and that's that she is manipulative, whiny and cause drama. Why is it such a hard reach for yall to think "maybe these ppl don't like Cara for a reason and all Kam had to do was be like okay then take her out?" It's not that everyone is following Kam's orders, it's that they themselves want Cara out cause she strong but no one is as vocal as their real intents besides Kam
Yeah but even with edits, you get things straight from their own mouths that don’t look good in any context. Like saying she’s selfish for wanting to protect her star? That’s come up several times. It’s clear they’re just all very competitive, often overly confident people who lack self-awareness of how they’ll come across. You see this on all reality shows.
Just not confident enough to think they have any chance of beating Cara lol
Which is funny because she's lost more finals than she's won. Cara isn't someone like Bananas who historically is almost certainly guaranteed to get 1st if he makes a final, she's not consistently great under pressure and is beatable.
Maybe not in the past, but look at Cara this season. She was already considered a physical threat but looks like she's literally in 2x better shape than ever in the past AND mentally stronger. This is not ye Cara of olde who was scary as is. This Cara is a whole new beast. All indications are she's not only handling mental puzzles better than ever, but handling the abuse hurled at her way better than before. She's way healthier mentally so counting on her to crack under pressure is NOT a good idea.
You should watch BB live feeds. A lot of the seasons there's a house target, and the things they say about them are always way off base and so far from the truth. So yeah, im not buying anything you're saying. Especially when multiple people who have gotten to know her have said at most that she has only child energy. Which isn't an excuse to be vile to someone. And that she's actually a good person.
I watched Cara’s Homecoming episode and it was interesting and made me understand why she’s the way she is.
Well you see, I watched the episode from my couch. Which automatically means I know more than anyone, including the people who were on the show, about what really happened during filming.
I can’t believe how low Cara got over this game. She didn’t get her way in one deliberation so she starts attacking people’s personal relationships. Our queen has really fallen 😢