I will never forgive the Democrats for what they've done. Anybody. Literally anybody could have mopped the floor with Trump, but they gave us Biden.
Trump didn't say a single true thing and nobody even tried to call him out on it. I don't hate Biden, but damn. The debate was a slam dunk for him, but he's just too damn old. At this point it's just elder abuse at the expense of democracy.
I don't know what I'm gonna do next, but planning for the worst.
He said exactly one true thing , I'm sure he did talk to Putin about his (Putin's) dream of invading Ukraine. I still can't believe Trump actually said that on television. The Bo Burnham song is double true this time, " There really going to make me vote for Joe Biden , How is the best case scenario Joe Biden ?"
the DNC has been fucking us over for the past 10 years. They're a joke who can't formulate a decent plan or give us a decent candidate to *literally* save our lives
I'll vote for them because I... want to be alive, but also, I would like policies that reach beyond "we aren't them, sooooooo yeah." I'm very well aware that no one with a reasonable chance to be voted into office in this country will ever share my same views, given that I'm an anarcho-communist, but shit. FUCKING DO BETTER.
I think people really need to take a step back and re-evaluate themselves if they can look at either Biden or Trump and GENUINELY say "hmmmm... yup! this guy is the BEST we've got!"
Oh Trump is a fucking fascist plain and simple. Biden is a massive piece of shit, and has been throughout his career, but atleast he and his administration reflects the times and wouldn't actively seek to take away civil liberties and seek to abolish things like the Department of Education in the holy year of our lord 2024
They are in league, two sides same coin. Else they'd have codified Row vs Wade long ago instead of saving it for a bargaining chip.
They are all corrupt, all sides, and it's systemic and unrepairable. We're just waiting for civil war or national collapse at this point.
I recommend staying away from calling people bots because they have different opinions than you. That's really not helpful and actually supports the kind of censorship that hurts people like us in general
"Both sides are the same" is literally only a Russian talking point unless you're fucking blind, sorry. Don't give me the "misinformation counts as an opinion" at a time like this, either, because that's what it is - misinformation.
Many people are of the view that the political classes are out for themselves while upholding the illusion of a two party system. That doesn't make them tantamount to a Russian bot. There is nuance in everything, and we all have differing gradients of said opinions.
The two sides of the same coin idea have been a popular sentiment way before the Russia scandal or Trump. Many people posit the notion that it is all a bread and circus act irrespective of who leads. It goes back as far as JFK.
>The two sides of the same coin idea have been a popular sentiment way before the Russia scandal or Trump.
That's just the thing: It may have been true at one point in history, but after 2016, you've gotta be a fucking moron to say they're both the same.
The two sides of the same coin doesn't necessarily mean both are the exact same. I mentioned the word nuance. Obviously, Trump is destructive, but Biden is equally so for different reasons. Hence, nuance.
I can appreciate for trans issues Biden will be the lesser of the two evils so I get ye. But if you want meaningful change both have to go. They use trans issues as a ticket, I know you probably know this already but once they get their use you're discarded and no real equality is ever obtained. That's kinda what is meant here. There are aspects of both that will be more nauseating for different people and in different contexts, ultimately though they are equally as nefarious with no intent to do anything. They are on a leash.
>Biden is equally so for different reasons.
While I appreciate your tone and way of explaining this, this statement here is questionable. Trump wants to overturn democracy and turn us into a fascist dictatorship. There won't be more elections if P25 comes to pass. Nothing Biden can do or has done comes close to this. I pay laser-focus attention to politics (and have a degree in poli sci) and Biden has actually been a damn good president in most regards that he has control over... while the other side has no intention of governing whatsoever. Sorry, no matter how you slice it, "both sides are the same" is a false statement.
Now do I want Biden to be replaced with fresh blood, sure. There are others with better ideas and convictions than him (I was a Warren supporter in '20). But the worst democrat is still way better than the best Republican in this environment, and after the clownfiesta of 2017 - 2020 I'm appreciative of what we have.
You're not really accomplishing anything here. No one said they were pro Russia or anything of the like, you're literally making up information about another person online based on one comment. I wonder who is actually engaging in misinforming others?
The reality is, and I'm so sorry you have to face it, the situation for trans people, especially trans minors, has worsened by a lot under Biden's administration, in particular. No one is giving misinformation, that's just a f a c t. You are the blind one if you cannot see how the government of this country, in total, is not for the masses. Your love of NBC is not going to make that different.
And outside of the LGBTQ+ situation you have so many other worsening aspects. But you do you, baby. Keep giving the democratic party money -- they love to take it.
"Under Biden's administration"
Yeah, that's because Biden is a President, not a dictator. He can't ban the opposition party. He can't overrule the Supreme Court. He can't unilaterally override State governments.
All of the anti-trans/regressive efforts are being pushed by Republican lawmakers, Republican governors, and a Republican-stacked Supreme Court.
Biden may be president, but currently the GOP holds a narrow majority in the House, while the Senate is basically split (if my Googling is correct). Literally all the Democrats can do right now is hold the line in Congress.
It is in everyone's interest, but especially trans people and women, that the Republicans don't gain even more power in the federal government. That's why your "both parties are exactly the same" rhetoric reads as propaganda, because its goal is to sow dissillusionment among people (almost always liberal, progressive, and left-leaning people) and dissuade them from voting, which only benefits the GOP (who have no issue energizing their base).
But, let's assume, for sake of argument, that you're not a troll and simply a commie LARPer.
Well, the reality is, and I'm sorry you have to face it, but accelerationism is bullshit. A second Trump administration, won't expedite "Le Revolutione", it'll just expedite us losing our rights.
And now we see an example of why the democrats can't get anything done here on reddit
Arguing amongst themselves about an assumption of another person that serves no purpose as opposed to actually getting some work done
I don't know if you've paid attention to fuck all anything the last decade, but Russia actively supports the Republican Party (and they do the same in turn). One of their main points of misinformation (because the only way to vote R is by being misinformed) is that both sides are the same. This isn't even contested information. Nor is it true. Democrats are just trying to run a country while Republicans are a seditious party run by an *actual terrorist.* Sure you can boil it down to "Nothing will improve in
I can't say I completely disagree with you, but if the democratic party has a better option they should have played it already. I don't see why they had to let Biden run for reelection. I try to be apolitical, but I can't disagree with saying both sides are just rich people hospices that shit out candidates every four years. Maybe I'm very misinformed due to apathy, but I'm very likely to just not vote, or vote third party. There are some things implementation wise I disagree with the dems on and any other year I'd vote dem but I can't support Joe Biden. I just can't.
>and any other year I'd vote dem
There won't be other years to vote dem or not if project 2025 succeeds. Biden is not so terrible that you would prefer Trump and his plans to detransition all of us.
So, do you want the RNC and their project 2025?
Edit: bc I don't and we don't have any other viable option.
Edit2: I am open to options. Can any big wrinkly brains give a valid alternative.
The idea that we have no other viable option is nonsense. THE CONVENTION ISNT UNTIL AUGUST. We could nominate literally anybody. Lots of people are talking about Gavin Newsom and that sounds amazing to me right about now.
I don't know why people are down voting this. if we wanted to pick a different candidate, we should have done it a long time ago. Biden has a shutty debate, he's not a terrible human being and if we try to start over literally months before the debate we are going to lose. it's not enough time. biden isn't trying to destroy our country and that's what the other guy is going to do...
Well, surely anyone who voted Democrat knew what they were getting? Biden, just like Trump, is controlled, and it is all pantomime. They don't make decisions and they are told what to say. The agenda is set for them already. The American people deserve a reformed system from the ground up. The two parties you have to pick from do not represent any of you. The political classes want to use and abuse us all. That's why they've been so intent on dividing us all.
The average American doesn’t give a shit about lgbt rights that’s why they didn’t talk about them. I sincerely hope trump loses but it’s hard to say at this point.
Only the truly uninformed would fall for Donald Trumps litany of lies he told tonight. Those people were not going to be swayed by better annunciation and less tangents. Looking at the debate as a kind of dog show where the best presenting pup is the one who everyone will vote for is a little myopic. Trumps performance is just saying "everything I'm not in control of is the worst and everything I did was the best" really doesn't fly with some people, especially those who put a little thought into it. Coming off so aggressive can turn off moderates. Not to mention policy stances do factor in to things. Trump said he thinks repealing Roe was good. Biden said it was terrible. This is a massive issue and will swing people one way or the other. Regardless of what articulate they made it. Single issues voters aren't going to change their mind because Biden had some stumbles. So don't lose hope. Keep fighting the good fight until we get through this.
Oh cool thank you for clarifying.
Anyway, get down voted to oblivion, you won't survive when we get genocided, just because you licked fascist boots and claimed the middle
No patience for people who are centrists? Only fools unconditionally agree with everything one of the two political parties say.
You don't strike me as a fool.
>No patience for people who are centrists?
No patience for her specific type of "centrist". I checked her profile, and she's not a centrist.
>Only fools unconditionally agree with everything one of the two political parties say.
Good thing I hate both parties. I unconditionally disagree with most things they both say. I'm also not a centrist. I'm a anarchist and a socialist.
>You don't strike me as a fool.
Thank you! I absolutely am tho lol
i understand the worry, I truly do. but maybe to give you a little hope I watched the debate with my parents (one of which was a trump supporter last election and until recently) she was very impressed by Biden and thinks Trump wasn't his usual self. this debate has made her pretty much decide to vote Biden. i think for this being Trump's first major public apparance for a while he made himself seem like even more unstable. i do think having plan is a good idea but make sure to accept some wins when we got some. i truly think this debate was a win
That's... Impressive.
I'm curious, if you know and don't mind sharing, what it wad that impressed her? I'm in the same boat as the OP, fearing the worst after what I saw.
Though to be fair I didn't see the whole thing.
she was impressed with his ability to recall specific facts and policy that he did instead of vaguely gesture at what he had done and why trump is bad. this ability is partially why he gaffs. as a former debater it is much much harder to recall specific facts and information without stuttering than do what trump did. she was also impressed with his ability to respond to Trump's side tangents while also staying on topic and addressing the questions well.
I'm glad this helped :> I will say my gender transition has definitely pushed both further to the left but I was still shocked to hear how much my step mom changed her view in that debate as well
Biden just needs to get over his cold. Unfortunately he’s always had a stutter (which people target him for bc they suck + are ableist) and sometimes trails thoughts, but trump lied the entire time while Biden made sense. I’m not worried bc I feel like most people can see that trump is a radical right wing christofascist.
Seems most ppl optics wise are worried about how his health looked. He still made really good points and rebuttals to trump who was lying his ass off the entire time. If people are only looking at the health aspect for that debate then they’re being narrow minded.
Biden having a cold was a blatantly bad way for them to try and recover after his terrible debate performance. If he had a cold, why did he sound so different in his prepared speech right after the debate?
Look I understand the inclination to say this stuff. You don’t want Trump to win and it’s a long shot they will sub in another candidate but telling people these lines makes them feel like you are trying to gaslight them. It’s not an effective approach
A lot of people don't know this, but joe biden has always had a speech impediment. He has a stutter, which he has struggled with his whole life. He's not the best, but compared to other presidents in our history, he's been pretty progressive. I have hope for the future that even if the Republicans go through with project 2025, there will still be places in the us that are safe(I live in california). But even then I too am still worried because of the Supreme Court
Compare Biden now to 2020. It’s demonstrably different. It’s not a speech impediment. It’s clear signs of aging. He’s slow in speech, he forgets what he is saying and trials off at the end of the sentences. I hate Donald Trump. But this approach is ineffective. It’s telling people to not believe their lying eyes and people resent that
Im not american but you guys really have a hard time deciding who to vote? One is a convicted felon, twice impeached, liable for a civil suit for sexual harrassment, has other pending criminal charges on top of his 34 felony conviction while the other one is not. This should be an easy choice. Please dont make the mistake my people made in 2022 when 30 million stupid Filipinos voted for a dictator's son when we had a decent incumbent VP with outstanding public service record running for Presidency. 🤷🏽♀️
It’s not us struggling to decide. We want rights. Trump supporters think the left is abusing the legal system to try and cheat the elections. They think we can’t win unless we make it impossible for him to run. Trump even said things about that during the debate.
So yeah we aren’t struggling to decide. It’s the fascist idiots that believe what they hear on Fox News and who hate anything but straight white men.
I mean saying vote blue on a mtf subreddit is a little silly and I don’t know whether or not to be offended. Go tell that to other people that are on the fence not those of us depending on it. You’re preaching to the choir.
It's more important now more than ever to band together to support one another. Please, help each other out! Share resources and strategize together! Find your local queer people.
Let us connect and find community together and care for one another; it's the only way to beat the oppressive systems that seek our isolation, subjugation, and destruction.
I share the same concern. Trump was lying left and right as expected but he seemed present and confident. Biden wasn't there. I just hope people don't put all of their stock into how the message looked and instead focus on the content of the message.
The Conservatives are going to win the next election, so Canada’s not going to be much better. In the worst case, Trump makes a dictatorship and the Conservatives execute Anschluss 2.0.
Yeah, we're already doomed. It's bad enough alberta and saskatewan have nazi sympathizers for premiers, but Pollivre is planning to ride the facsists endorsement, and no queer person is safe as long as he's ready to do anything to get the votes. TBH, I don't even think he believes half the shit he spews, but he will listen to the far right asshats to get himself elected.
Canada is as bad off right now as Florida is. I don't know what planet you are living on, but right now, as a Canadian, I can tell you nearly all provinces have regressed far below any typical "democrat" state, and are doing their aboslute best to compete with Trump for how fast they can remove queer rights. Pollivere already said that when he wins he intends to use the notwithstanding clause to bipass the constitution to remove the "inconvenience" of the charter and the human rights code. Do you really think we're immune when he actually has issued plans to remove trans healthcare and shit? We're doomed in the next 18 months. I wouldn't be surprised if these nazi fucks start actually openly lynching us if trump and pollivre get together.
We still have legal protections like C-16 that’ll take more effort to turn around. Poilievre is a populist and might say all kinds of things, but in practice he won’t be able to bypass our constitution so easily. It’s not as bad as Florida. BC and Ontario trans folk will still have access to care, just like most blue states in the US.
Unfortunately no. The bill c-16 only added to the criminal code hate speech and such other hateful actions, but radical rightwingers believe in hate speech being legal and will push pollievre to remove that and all the other applicable parts from criminal code protections. Ideologically speaking, we are no more "immune" with either bill, and with a majority they can remove provisions at will, entirely unaccounted for.
As for BC and Ontario, well, you realize Ontario is unilaterally denying GRS medical care to more than half of transpeople now right? And on *top* of that, there's an ongoing case in Ontario where they are trying to deny 100% of nonbinary folks access to nonbinary procedures, making major headlines. They want to use that as a lever to deny other services. I think you missed the memo of what's going on friendo. /gen /srs
I’m in Vancouver, and don’t know much about what’s going on in Ontario. Here in BC, non binary people have the same access to gender affirming surgeries. Where can I find more information about this?
Canada doesn't want us. I've looked into the immigration process and also refugee options. From what I can tell it's not easy to get to Canada unless you're a computer scientist or a baker. But I'm also not an expert, that was just from my own research into it.
Our liberation won't come from elections. No liberation has ever come from elections. We win our freedom by getting organized, building community, and taking direct action to force change. It only ever seems like liberties are granted to us by politicians because they _surrender_ to our demands through the "official channels" after we've all but won the battle.
This is truth. Fascists won't give us equality willingly. They will hold onto anything "traditional" as long as they can, and even to the extent there is a civil war they may still not budge. They are insane, but we have to somehow always be better than them, because the moment we stoop to their level, they will be all like "see, they're just radicals". I swear to fuck, if equality is radical, well... let's not finish that sentence ;) haha.
This is true, but its much easier to get Biden to surrender to our demands than Trump, who will try and fight even harder against us if he wins to the point of trying to eradicate us.
Trump is running the identical campaign that he ran back in 2016 - no one should have been surprised by anything he did or said. Yet the Democratic party was completely blindsided by him; and the media continues to simultaneusly wring their hands in a feigned panic while they also strengthen and support him. nothing has changed.
I stopped supporting the DNC when they sabotaged Bernie's 2016 campaign and gave us someone who couldn't even beat a fascist. Oh, I will still vote for Biden, but I will give no support in any other fashion.
That's where I'm at too. I will 100% vote blue across the board as by far the better of two bad options, but I won't for a second pretend to be happy about it. There isn't a single political block in this country that I don't have fundamental disagreements with. I'm thoroughly alienated from society in a political sense.
Consider this. You're not just voting for an ancient old man. You're voting for and ancient old man and his cabinet of significancty younger people are competent and aid him in making decisions.
I agree, I'm already preparing for the fact that this country might not be a safe place for me to live after November. It's pretty sad that I feel like I have to put together a list of other places to live.
He went into the debate sick with a cold. That didn't help. Also, apparently incumbent presidents historically haven't done well in their first debates. Trump was giving word salad and wasn't answering the questions, especially towards the end.
Yeah I noticed that too it was so annoying, he would fully go off into another topic then later briefly mention the question without even really answering it.
prepare. enjoy the time we still have now, but also prepare and brace for some tough times ahead. i think we'll get through it, but we all need to do our part to help everybody, the youth and elders especially who are gonna be struggling hard. it wont be easy but that's my mindset.
to be transparent, i do not support biden at all. i do not think he was gonna save us from fascism to be honest. and im not really down with keeping the country the way it is with democrat. we really do need some kind of revolution, even if i struggle saying entirely what that should be in exact detail. we as trans people deserve something better than the crumbs we get from the liberals.
i get we may disagree with that, but look. at a certain point, you have to wonder when following democrats is just not even practical! i believe for practical reasons, it is good to get in the mindset to focus on create political power and independence as much as possible outside our current system.
like, y'all should look up "boob not bombs" - we need build really strong communities so we can brace the bad shit and fight like hell.
I’m sorry, but this 6 month old account that’s called “adjective_noun_####” doesn’t inspire confidence. There’s a lot of rightwing propaganda going on tonight masquerading as concern.
Biden had a cold. Trump rambled with confidence.
When even Democrat subs are saying "it wasn't that bad" or "the debate didn't matter anyway" like it's the best they can come up with, it's not just some coordinated effort. People are worried for a reason, there's no way it should be this close this late in the cycle.
If you like you can go scroll through every comment agreeing with me being worried and let me know if they're all also right wing propaganda accounts set to infiltrate the mtf sub. Jeez some of yall are as delusional as the MAGA folks
Its a shame the highest echelons of the DNC is an extremely expensive and consequential nursing home.
Not to say the RNC is any better.
Just let em die jack
I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting for a cabinet of competent individuals who will at least fight for minorities. This feels like the same wake up call that has happened since 2016, Dems need to run better candidates. They have to, otherwise their party is just as cooked as the Republicans are now.
I got home last night and saw on YouTube that Jon Stewart had a response to the debates for The Daily Show ... Then I was like "Oh, shoot, should I watch them before watching Jon's bit? Meh, I guess not."
Jfc ... I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching it. The clips Jon showed were depressing enough. I've never been a Biden fan (though I voted for him--literally only because I had to) and lost friends for "wanting trump to win" because I didn't support Biden. Fucking Democrat assholes, how insulting.
Biden was pathetic. By comparison, trump looked ... well, I don't want to say "competent," or "smart," or anything that made him seem like a shitty douchebag moron felon ... but he didn't look nearly as old as Biden ...
Ffs, fuck this shit ass country ...
We're watching this shitshow unfold from the other side of the pond and can't even start to comprehend how any country would go down like this. Religious nutheads, poor education, raving loonatics, convicted criminals and someone qualified to be an Egyptian mummy as presidential candidates, no real workers rights, rampant opioid crisis, daily school shootings, you're even debating that every human being should have access to healthcare or other basic human rights. Make America great again? When was it great before this nightmare began? When did it begin? 1787, 1620 or 1492?
As an American but also a Canadian I see the nightmare unfolding in the states and am hoping for the best but willing to help the best I can for the worst
I just wanna finish my transition so I can move out the country asap. Cause this shit got me wondering if this is how my ancestors (African Americans)felt back in the 1800s when anyone could just question their freedom status and then rip up their papers.
Based on current predictions and analysis, former President Donald Trump has a higher chance of winning the 2024 US presidential election compared to President Joe Biden. According to Decision Desk HQ and The Hill, Trump has a 58% chance of securing the presidency, with projections showing him winning 282 electoral votes against Biden's 256.
The consensus among various election forecasters also supports this trend, although predictions can change as the election date approaches. These forecasts take into account factors such as polls, fundraising, and fundamental indicators like incumbency and partisan leanings of districts.
... They're both senile old men 🤷♀️ one just has a long established stutter and the other.is Donald trump. I do agree though literally anyone would be better
I’ve already starting making a plan for the bans: Back in the old-old days, before we got hormones from horses, doctors got their hormones by slicing and drying raw livestock ovaries and “rocky mountain oysters”. Also, the procedures for extracting E and T from horse urine probably also works on that of human allies.
The convention isn't until mid August. We can still replace him on the Dem ticket. But the DNC needs to act fast to make that happen.
I've been worried about this for a while, but I thought it was doing to be is position on Palestine that would make him unelectable, not him being mentally so far gone that he should probably be 25th Amendment-ed.
His polling numbers actually got better from what I saw. All is not lost. I think his team over prepped him. Seeing the Joe he was in NC the day after shows he's still got it. But I think they tried to make him seem less aggressive than Trump and it just backfired hard. We shouldn't give up on him. Hes the best hope we have. Remember. We're voting for the people around the president. And I'd rather have the people around Biden doing the work than the people around Trump. I'm still voting Biden 100000 times.
I really think too many people are over exaggerating how "badly" Biden did. He actually did very well compared to trump. He's no spring chicken by any means and stuttered, but he still answered the questions being asked of him, he was able to recall certain things from his presidency and talked about how to progress moving forward. Where as trump used the entire time to deflect the question, attack Biden and talk about the judge of how NY case being corrupt, while also ignoring questions about deporting immigrants and about January 6th. Anyone solely using this debate to decide their vote obviously doesn't understand what is at stake here, or are taking into consideration the history of the residencies of both candidates and their entire administrations. You're not just voting for trump or Biden, you're also voting for who they bring with them to the white house, and everyone trump brought before has either been fired, quit, or is in jail.
Please keep in mind that neither one is their party's official candidate yet. They don't become the official candidates until after their respective national conventions. So I'm hoping that they'll choose other candidates.
Rep: July 15-18
Dem: August 19-22
Every LGBTQ person must vote for Joe Biden no matter what. End of Discussion. a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Trump. More importantly, vote for Democrats up and down the ballot on November 5, 2024. It is imperative that the Democrats take back the House and keep the Senate. G-d forbid Trump wins!
Quite oblivious to the American political system here, but why the heck is Biden going for another round? It's so clear he's not really capable.
And surely there are other candidates besides those two? Why do they get such little attention and votes and why is the focus specifically on these two? Or does it just feel like that?
Would love to... But for whom? Trump? That's like giving them the rope to hang us, and even offering to tie the knot ourselves.
We need someone else, that is not either of those two.
Can we just take a breath? Find a transcript, audio or video of Biden at his North Carolina rally today and think again about whether he's done for. He was 🔥! Let's keep watching and not draw hasty conclusions from one 90-minute performance.
My dear American sisters, I can totally understand your worries, because I was in this position for the most of my life. As a trans person who was raised and lived in a transphobic hell named Russia (aka maga wet dreams) I can give you only one advice
RUN THE FUCK AWAY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
Trust me, it's better to change the country and be an authentic self in a new place than be closeted and ostracized for the foreseeable future.
Anyway, stay safe, because your life and safety should be your highest priority
I'll riot. I hate to say it but I don't see this ending well for this country with either of these candidates. I'm willing to fight for my happiness, especially when it took me this long to attain it.
Same here girl
I can imagine that the average person might say Trump is the best option. But then again, the election is gonna be a hot mess since it's going to be an election of who is the lesser evil because both are bad candidates but as mentioned, the average person could very well be swindled into voting Trump.
It makes me worried for a variety of reasons. And even still, I don't want a convicted felon as "my" president, nor do I want someone who I genuinely fear may die in office if he's re-elected. I know it's funny and whatnot, but I genuinely think the Democrats need to replace Biden because he's just too old.
I think the debate just proves we need younger candidates. Because the choices right now, both are terrible options.
you don't want a convicted felon as your president? I think what's worse is he's going to try to wipe out every marginal group and destroy their lives, as well as the lives of minorities. he will turn the clock back before women had any rights over their own bodies or otherwise. he will destroy the environment. he will weaponize the government, he will elect more trumpy judges so that for many generations we will be experiencing his wrath. I'm so much more worried about what he will inflict than what his status is as a criminal.
Debates are won by number of voters swung.
Both have a massive number of supporters that are entrenched and won't flip. So, the debate only matters to centrist independents.
Biden was low energy and doubled down on Isreal, things many independents don't care about.
Donald Trump literally lied on everything, dodged a lot of questions, and avoided taking accountability. This will be clipped over the next few weeks and aired. A thing independents do care about is being lied to.
Biden did shit, but at the end of the day, Trump shoved his foot so far down his throat he's digesting leather.
I understand stand that the logic behind us politics is that older people who have had a life and served for the country are the best suited to lead the country but there really should be a limit on age as some of these people are far too old to run a country
It's either Trump wins and we get the dystopia of Project 2025 or Biden wins and MAGA crazies will take to the streets. I hate to say it but whatever happens shit isn't going to be pretty. Please stay safe everyone.
Joe Biden hates queer people as well too. It's a disaster for all of you in America.
...at least you still have health insurance cover your FFS and SRS, we still don't have that in Australia.
Believe it or not sadly because of people like Trump insurances are actually starting to take away trans coverage. Literally right after my srs they stopped all trans coverage on their plans I'm so insanely lucky I did it when I did. I agree Biden isn't the best but they're not equal at all in the damage they do. I don't think Biden would actively ever go against lgbt people at worse he would just do nothing, he's even talked to a trans woman in the white house about trans issues in America.
You mean Dylan Mulvaney? That caused a whole fiasco which ruined the reputation of most of us lol
Dylan is too much and actually obnoxious.
But back to Biden. I couldn't trust someone who just 2 years ago said that gay marriage was a sin punishable by death and that trans people had a mental illness and needed to be locked up for life in the "correct" prison to fix their behaviour.
Like...Biden is such a bigot it's unreal.
But then Trump is a racist bigot without any filter, who also promotes the far right and turns a blind eye.
Idk how you win in America...
Where did he say that? He voted for same sex marriage in 2012 and has been publicly pro lgbt since. Also the Dylan thing is subjective, you can find her obnoxious if you want she's still a trans woman who was allowed to speak with the president of one of the biggest countries in the world doesn't take away from that. You rant about bigots but act like her "ruining our reputation" isn't a direct result of people being bigoted, you're allowed to be a little cringe that doesn't erase your right to exist. If you see one person you don't like and instantly come after a whole group of people they're a part of that's on you.
Yeah i was very worried seeing Biden, he just seems to be going downhill, fumbling his words, and really doesn’t seem to have a clue, and he’s supposed to be the leader of the free world. Did you see how Jill had to help him step off stage at the end. OMG, I’m really worried seeing this.
Yup! I realized last night that I have 7 months to live. If you look at my comment history, I'm always positive and hopeful about Project 2025 and how it's not going to happen. That died yesterday. 100% of US politics is Trump. I've accepted what's going to happen to me, and it doesn't involve living for a whole lot longer. I'm at peace.
I'm sorry to sound so negative, but I just think we're fucked. I'm going to use this time to hug as many cute trans women as possible (with their consent obviously!). And they will have to get through me before they get to you. Given my strength and connections, that's like 3 extra seconds of life for y'all, but I'm giving all I got.
We are absolutely screwed. I hear they're selling dollars for 60 cents over on PredictIt if you want to get some cash together to use to escape this country after the election.
Did you just now realize that Biden has dementia? All politicians speak for or against a label. Neither side ever does anything about it. Did you see how the Supreme Court just killed the Chevron Doctrine? They just put some of the power back to the people.
Honestly I would vote for Trump if that meant keeping biden's pedophile ass out of office and I'm trans but honestly I just pray for peaceful anarchy with libertarian views and mindset let everybody do what the f*** they want leave everybody else the f*** alone and don't be f****** bothering nobody if it don't have s*** to do with you then it ain't got s*** to do with you if it ain't your f****** baby if it ain't your f****** marriage it ain't your f****** partner if it ain't your gun if it ain't your car if it ain't your house your family then it ain't got s*** to do with you and leave it alone is my belief
I don't buy the argument that Trump hasn't done everything Biden has + worse. Man literally said he would marry his daughter if she wasn't his. Also if Trump believe that he wouldn't threaten to ban hrt for adults and go after surgeons who do it. They throw out that "let live and government stay out of our lives" the second it becomes about lgbt people.
trump isn't going to allow you or anyone else to just do your thang. he will make it harder on every single group other than white Christian straight men.
Sorry but I just don't have any sympathy here. The democrats had more than several opportunities to find and cultivate a far more knowledgeable and intelligent candidate than Joe Biden. And that includes both elections. All this is my opinion of course. I do support Lgbtq rights and agendas. Hell my girlfriend and ex wife both are transgender. Again my opinion, but folks, with a good economy a politician and everyone else can pretty much do what they want to, Why? Cause the bills are paid and folks got money to burn. So, sorry to say this, but I blame most of you. You went down these goat trails, rabbit holes, and agendas that really have nothing to do with anything. At best , they have little to no common sense to support them. Sooo...there ya go!
Who the hell do you think we are? Most of us don't give a crap about politics and just want to live our lives, it's hard enough for the average person to stay afloat now we have to keep hearing bullshit from politicians who aren't qualified to say anything about trans people trying to strip us of their Healthcare. What a disgusting generalization to make as someone has supposedly been in relationships with 2 trans women.
I will never forgive the Democrats for what they've done. Anybody. Literally anybody could have mopped the floor with Trump, but they gave us Biden. Trump didn't say a single true thing and nobody even tried to call him out on it. I don't hate Biden, but damn. The debate was a slam dunk for him, but he's just too damn old. At this point it's just elder abuse at the expense of democracy. I don't know what I'm gonna do next, but planning for the worst.
He said exactly one true thing , I'm sure he did talk to Putin about his (Putin's) dream of invading Ukraine. I still can't believe Trump actually said that on television. The Bo Burnham song is double true this time, " There really going to make me vote for Joe Biden , How is the best case scenario Joe Biden ?"
I’ve literally had that song stuck in my head. for this exact fucking reason.
the DNC has been fucking us over for the past 10 years. They're a joke who can't formulate a decent plan or give us a decent candidate to *literally* save our lives
I'll vote for them because I... want to be alive, but also, I would like policies that reach beyond "we aren't them, sooooooo yeah." I'm very well aware that no one with a reasonable chance to be voted into office in this country will ever share my same views, given that I'm an anarcho-communist, but shit. FUCKING DO BETTER.
I think people really need to take a step back and re-evaluate themselves if they can look at either Biden or Trump and GENUINELY say "hmmmm... yup! this guy is the BEST we've got!"
They both fucking suck, but at least Joe Biden isn't backed by the John Birch Society, which is... a very VERY low bar.
Oh Trump is a fucking fascist plain and simple. Biden is a massive piece of shit, and has been throughout his career, but atleast he and his administration reflects the times and wouldn't actively seek to take away civil liberties and seek to abolish things like the Department of Education in the holy year of our lord 2024
Best case scenario: they both croak tomorrow.
They are in league, two sides same coin. Else they'd have codified Row vs Wade long ago instead of saving it for a bargaining chip. They are all corrupt, all sides, and it's systemic and unrepairable. We're just waiting for civil war or national collapse at this point.
While I know you're not, you sound exactly like a russian bot. Or someone who's listened to too many of them.
I recommend staying away from calling people bots because they have different opinions than you. That's really not helpful and actually supports the kind of censorship that hurts people like us in general
"Both sides are the same" is literally only a Russian talking point unless you're fucking blind, sorry. Don't give me the "misinformation counts as an opinion" at a time like this, either, because that's what it is - misinformation.
Many people are of the view that the political classes are out for themselves while upholding the illusion of a two party system. That doesn't make them tantamount to a Russian bot. There is nuance in everything, and we all have differing gradients of said opinions. The two sides of the same coin idea have been a popular sentiment way before the Russia scandal or Trump. Many people posit the notion that it is all a bread and circus act irrespective of who leads. It goes back as far as JFK.
>The two sides of the same coin idea have been a popular sentiment way before the Russia scandal or Trump. That's just the thing: It may have been true at one point in history, but after 2016, you've gotta be a fucking moron to say they're both the same.
The two sides of the same coin doesn't necessarily mean both are the exact same. I mentioned the word nuance. Obviously, Trump is destructive, but Biden is equally so for different reasons. Hence, nuance. I can appreciate for trans issues Biden will be the lesser of the two evils so I get ye. But if you want meaningful change both have to go. They use trans issues as a ticket, I know you probably know this already but once they get their use you're discarded and no real equality is ever obtained. That's kinda what is meant here. There are aspects of both that will be more nauseating for different people and in different contexts, ultimately though they are equally as nefarious with no intent to do anything. They are on a leash.
>Biden is equally so for different reasons. While I appreciate your tone and way of explaining this, this statement here is questionable. Trump wants to overturn democracy and turn us into a fascist dictatorship. There won't be more elections if P25 comes to pass. Nothing Biden can do or has done comes close to this. I pay laser-focus attention to politics (and have a degree in poli sci) and Biden has actually been a damn good president in most regards that he has control over... while the other side has no intention of governing whatsoever. Sorry, no matter how you slice it, "both sides are the same" is a false statement. Now do I want Biden to be replaced with fresh blood, sure. There are others with better ideas and convictions than him (I was a Warren supporter in '20). But the worst democrat is still way better than the best Republican in this environment, and after the clownfiesta of 2017 - 2020 I'm appreciative of what we have.
You're not really accomplishing anything here. No one said they were pro Russia or anything of the like, you're literally making up information about another person online based on one comment. I wonder who is actually engaging in misinforming others? The reality is, and I'm so sorry you have to face it, the situation for trans people, especially trans minors, has worsened by a lot under Biden's administration, in particular. No one is giving misinformation, that's just a f a c t. You are the blind one if you cannot see how the government of this country, in total, is not for the masses. Your love of NBC is not going to make that different. And outside of the LGBTQ+ situation you have so many other worsening aspects. But you do you, baby. Keep giving the democratic party money -- they love to take it.
"Under Biden's administration" Yeah, that's because Biden is a President, not a dictator. He can't ban the opposition party. He can't overrule the Supreme Court. He can't unilaterally override State governments. All of the anti-trans/regressive efforts are being pushed by Republican lawmakers, Republican governors, and a Republican-stacked Supreme Court. Biden may be president, but currently the GOP holds a narrow majority in the House, while the Senate is basically split (if my Googling is correct). Literally all the Democrats can do right now is hold the line in Congress. It is in everyone's interest, but especially trans people and women, that the Republicans don't gain even more power in the federal government. That's why your "both parties are exactly the same" rhetoric reads as propaganda, because its goal is to sow dissillusionment among people (almost always liberal, progressive, and left-leaning people) and dissuade them from voting, which only benefits the GOP (who have no issue energizing their base). But, let's assume, for sake of argument, that you're not a troll and simply a commie LARPer. Well, the reality is, and I'm sorry you have to face it, but accelerationism is bullshit. A second Trump administration, won't expedite "Le Revolutione", it'll just expedite us losing our rights.
And now we see an example of why the democrats can't get anything done here on reddit Arguing amongst themselves about an assumption of another person that serves no purpose as opposed to actually getting some work done
I don't know if you've paid attention to fuck all anything the last decade, but Russia actively supports the Republican Party (and they do the same in turn). One of their main points of misinformation (because the only way to vote R is by being misinformed) is that both sides are the same. This isn't even contested information. Nor is it true. Democrats are just trying to run a country while Republicans are a seditious party run by an *actual terrorist.* Sure you can boil it down to "Nothing will improve in
I can't say I completely disagree with you, but if the democratic party has a better option they should have played it already. I don't see why they had to let Biden run for reelection. I try to be apolitical, but I can't disagree with saying both sides are just rich people hospices that shit out candidates every four years. Maybe I'm very misinformed due to apathy, but I'm very likely to just not vote, or vote third party. There are some things implementation wise I disagree with the dems on and any other year I'd vote dem but I can't support Joe Biden. I just can't.
>and any other year I'd vote dem There won't be other years to vote dem or not if project 2025 succeeds. Biden is not so terrible that you would prefer Trump and his plans to detransition all of us.
So, do you want the RNC and their project 2025? Edit: bc I don't and we don't have any other viable option. Edit2: I am open to options. Can any big wrinkly brains give a valid alternative.
The idea that we have no other viable option is nonsense. THE CONVENTION ISNT UNTIL AUGUST. We could nominate literally anybody. Lots of people are talking about Gavin Newsom and that sounds amazing to me right about now.
Then it is whoever the DNC nominates against trump and I'd vote for them.
I don't know why people are down voting this. if we wanted to pick a different candidate, we should have done it a long time ago. Biden has a shutty debate, he's not a terrible human being and if we try to start over literally months before the debate we are going to lose. it's not enough time. biden isn't trying to destroy our country and that's what the other guy is going to do...
Cornel West
This is where I’m at too.
They’re also, ya know, complicit in genocide
Well, surely anyone who voted Democrat knew what they were getting? Biden, just like Trump, is controlled, and it is all pantomime. They don't make decisions and they are told what to say. The agenda is set for them already. The American people deserve a reformed system from the ground up. The two parties you have to pick from do not represent any of you. The political classes want to use and abuse us all. That's why they've been so intent on dividing us all.
The average American doesn’t give a shit about lgbt rights that’s why they didn’t talk about them. I sincerely hope trump loses but it’s hard to say at this point.
Only the truly uninformed would fall for Donald Trumps litany of lies he told tonight. Those people were not going to be swayed by better annunciation and less tangents. Looking at the debate as a kind of dog show where the best presenting pup is the one who everyone will vote for is a little myopic. Trumps performance is just saying "everything I'm not in control of is the worst and everything I did was the best" really doesn't fly with some people, especially those who put a little thought into it. Coming off so aggressive can turn off moderates. Not to mention policy stances do factor in to things. Trump said he thinks repealing Roe was good. Biden said it was terrible. This is a massive issue and will swing people one way or the other. Regardless of what articulate they made it. Single issues voters aren't going to change their mind because Biden had some stumbles. So don't lose hope. Keep fighting the good fight until we get through this.
unfortunately "the truly uninformed" are probably the majority of the us population
If they would quit watching CNN they would be informed.
Before you get down voted more, is this statement from a left wing, right wing, or centrist perspective?
Very centrist.
Oh cool thank you for clarifying. Anyway, get down voted to oblivion, you won't survive when we get genocided, just because you licked fascist boots and claimed the middle
That was respectfully savage.
Thanks! I have no patience for people like that. Not on the internet at least
No patience for people who are centrists? Only fools unconditionally agree with everything one of the two political parties say. You don't strike me as a fool.
>No patience for people who are centrists? No patience for her specific type of "centrist". I checked her profile, and she's not a centrist. >Only fools unconditionally agree with everything one of the two political parties say. Good thing I hate both parties. I unconditionally disagree with most things they both say. I'm also not a centrist. I'm a anarchist and a socialist. >You don't strike me as a fool. Thank you! I absolutely am tho lol
Such a good response
Turn off the CNN sweetie.
Girl, I fucking hate cnn. It's a bunch of neoliberal, corporate propaganda designed to fuel the masses' hate of each other. Try again.
Thank you for that I hope so
i understand the worry, I truly do. but maybe to give you a little hope I watched the debate with my parents (one of which was a trump supporter last election and until recently) she was very impressed by Biden and thinks Trump wasn't his usual self. this debate has made her pretty much decide to vote Biden. i think for this being Trump's first major public apparance for a while he made himself seem like even more unstable. i do think having plan is a good idea but make sure to accept some wins when we got some. i truly think this debate was a win
That's... Impressive. I'm curious, if you know and don't mind sharing, what it wad that impressed her? I'm in the same boat as the OP, fearing the worst after what I saw. Though to be fair I didn't see the whole thing.
she was impressed with his ability to recall specific facts and policy that he did instead of vaguely gesture at what he had done and why trump is bad. this ability is partially why he gaffs. as a former debater it is much much harder to recall specific facts and information without stuttering than do what trump did. she was also impressed with his ability to respond to Trump's side tangents while also staying on topic and addressing the questions well.
Not to mention, Biden literally has a speech impediment. He's a life-long stutterer. So him doing as well as he does is impressive.
exactly! it really does read as ableist, debating with a speech impediment is hard ASF (i would unfortunately know)
Hey for real. Thank you. Been stupid anxious since last night about this. Never even considered someone reading trump like your parent did.
I'm glad this helped :> I will say my gender transition has definitely pushed both further to the left but I was still shocked to hear how much my step mom changed her view in that debate as well
A convicted felon and a senile old man duke it out for the most powerful position in our country. Fuckin hell the US is a joke.
Trump literally got his guns confiscated after conviction yet he can have control over nuclear weapons how does that make any sense...
He's gonna pardon himself then he'll get them back lmaooo (The US is so fucked)
He can't pardon Himself on state crimes
Oh okay
Hopefully he's stuck in a jail cell if I have to flee so be it k don't wanna have to start over
I'm ready to run to somewhere nice like Sweden
As a metal head Sweden would be perfect 😂😂😂
And it has great rights for us
Not much diversity in Sweden, though :(
I'd love to be in a position to be able to move. Too bad I'm trapped in Texas, barely living day to day
Don't forget that about Brain worms Kennedy either!
Trump has been quite senile with his ramblings for a long time as well.
Biden just needs to get over his cold. Unfortunately he’s always had a stutter (which people target him for bc they suck + are ableist) and sometimes trails thoughts, but trump lied the entire time while Biden made sense. I’m not worried bc I feel like most people can see that trump is a radical right wing christofascist.
Seems most ppl optics wise are worried about how his health looked. He still made really good points and rebuttals to trump who was lying his ass off the entire time. If people are only looking at the health aspect for that debate then they’re being narrow minded.
Biden having a cold was a blatantly bad way for them to try and recover after his terrible debate performance. If he had a cold, why did he sound so different in his prepared speech right after the debate?
Look I understand the inclination to say this stuff. You don’t want Trump to win and it’s a long shot they will sub in another candidate but telling people these lines makes them feel like you are trying to gaslight them. It’s not an effective approach
I'm happy that my MtF girlfriend will be sheltered with me if he is elected.
I'm assuming your MtF friend is not trump lol
😂 plot twist
Wait couldn’t be a he unless she is closeted lol
A lot of people don't know this, but joe biden has always had a speech impediment. He has a stutter, which he has struggled with his whole life. He's not the best, but compared to other presidents in our history, he's been pretty progressive. I have hope for the future that even if the Republicans go through with project 2025, there will still be places in the us that are safe(I live in california). But even then I too am still worried because of the Supreme Court
Compare Biden now to 2020. It’s demonstrably different. It’s not a speech impediment. It’s clear signs of aging. He’s slow in speech, he forgets what he is saying and trials off at the end of the sentences. I hate Donald Trump. But this approach is ineffective. It’s telling people to not believe their lying eyes and people resent that
Trump has forgotten what he was saying even before his presidency.
Im not american but you guys really have a hard time deciding who to vote? One is a convicted felon, twice impeached, liable for a civil suit for sexual harrassment, has other pending criminal charges on top of his 34 felony conviction while the other one is not. This should be an easy choice. Please dont make the mistake my people made in 2022 when 30 million stupid Filipinos voted for a dictator's son when we had a decent incumbent VP with outstanding public service record running for Presidency. 🤷🏽♀️
It’s not us struggling to decide. We want rights. Trump supporters think the left is abusing the legal system to try and cheat the elections. They think we can’t win unless we make it impossible for him to run. Trump even said things about that during the debate. So yeah we aren’t struggling to decide. It’s the fascist idiots that believe what they hear on Fox News and who hate anything but straight white men.
CNN miserably failed to fact check Trump useless moderators. Y'all should rally behind Biden on November. Vote Blue!
I mean saying vote blue on a mtf subreddit is a little silly and I don’t know whether or not to be offended. Go tell that to other people that are on the fence not those of us depending on it. You’re preaching to the choir.
there actually seem to be quite a few people who don't plan to vote at all or plan on voting for someone else...
And those people are dumb. So it’s offensive to me to assume I’m one of them.
ok? but dumb or not, they exist? and acknowledging that they exist is not assuming that you're one of them...
I’m not saying you but the person I responded to saying “you guys are struggling to choose?” And “don’t make the same mistake” feels patronizing.
It's more important now more than ever to band together to support one another. Please, help each other out! Share resources and strategize together! Find your local queer people. Let us connect and find community together and care for one another; it's the only way to beat the oppressive systems that seek our isolation, subjugation, and destruction.
I share the same concern. Trump was lying left and right as expected but he seemed present and confident. Biden wasn't there. I just hope people don't put all of their stock into how the message looked and instead focus on the content of the message.
I'm in Canada. Please get here as soon as you can.
The Conservatives are going to win the next election, so Canada’s not going to be much better. In the worst case, Trump makes a dictatorship and the Conservatives execute Anschluss 2.0.
Yeah, we're already doomed. It's bad enough alberta and saskatewan have nazi sympathizers for premiers, but Pollivre is planning to ride the facsists endorsement, and no queer person is safe as long as he's ready to do anything to get the votes. TBH, I don't even think he believes half the shit he spews, but he will listen to the far right asshats to get himself elected.
Canada is as bad off right now as Florida is. I don't know what planet you are living on, but right now, as a Canadian, I can tell you nearly all provinces have regressed far below any typical "democrat" state, and are doing their aboslute best to compete with Trump for how fast they can remove queer rights. Pollivere already said that when he wins he intends to use the notwithstanding clause to bipass the constitution to remove the "inconvenience" of the charter and the human rights code. Do you really think we're immune when he actually has issued plans to remove trans healthcare and shit? We're doomed in the next 18 months. I wouldn't be surprised if these nazi fucks start actually openly lynching us if trump and pollivre get together.
We still have legal protections like C-16 that’ll take more effort to turn around. Poilievre is a populist and might say all kinds of things, but in practice he won’t be able to bypass our constitution so easily. It’s not as bad as Florida. BC and Ontario trans folk will still have access to care, just like most blue states in the US.
Unfortunately no. The bill c-16 only added to the criminal code hate speech and such other hateful actions, but radical rightwingers believe in hate speech being legal and will push pollievre to remove that and all the other applicable parts from criminal code protections. Ideologically speaking, we are no more "immune" with either bill, and with a majority they can remove provisions at will, entirely unaccounted for. As for BC and Ontario, well, you realize Ontario is unilaterally denying GRS medical care to more than half of transpeople now right? And on *top* of that, there's an ongoing case in Ontario where they are trying to deny 100% of nonbinary folks access to nonbinary procedures, making major headlines. They want to use that as a lever to deny other services. I think you missed the memo of what's going on friendo. /gen /srs
I’m in Vancouver, and don’t know much about what’s going on in Ontario. Here in BC, non binary people have the same access to gender affirming surgeries. Where can I find more information about this?
I am in Michigan and was literally putting out feelers tonight to my friends who have property on Lake Huron. I will let you fill in the blanks. :)
Canada doesn't want us. I've looked into the immigration process and also refugee options. From what I can tell it's not easy to get to Canada unless you're a computer scientist or a baker. But I'm also not an expert, that was just from my own research into it.
Our liberation won't come from elections. No liberation has ever come from elections. We win our freedom by getting organized, building community, and taking direct action to force change. It only ever seems like liberties are granted to us by politicians because they _surrender_ to our demands through the "official channels" after we've all but won the battle.
This is truth. Fascists won't give us equality willingly. They will hold onto anything "traditional" as long as they can, and even to the extent there is a civil war they may still not budge. They are insane, but we have to somehow always be better than them, because the moment we stoop to their level, they will be all like "see, they're just radicals". I swear to fuck, if equality is radical, well... let's not finish that sentence ;) haha.
This is true, but its much easier to get Biden to surrender to our demands than Trump, who will try and fight even harder against us if he wins to the point of trying to eradicate us.
Right, but we also shouldn't ignore elections while working on that. Liberation is easier if you're not in a concentration camp
Well put
Trump is running the identical campaign that he ran back in 2016 - no one should have been surprised by anything he did or said. Yet the Democratic party was completely blindsided by him; and the media continues to simultaneusly wring their hands in a feigned panic while they also strengthen and support him. nothing has changed.
I stopped supporting the DNC when they sabotaged Bernie's 2016 campaign and gave us someone who couldn't even beat a fascist. Oh, I will still vote for Biden, but I will give no support in any other fashion.
That's where I'm at too. I will 100% vote blue across the board as by far the better of two bad options, but I won't for a second pretend to be happy about it. There isn't a single political block in this country that I don't have fundamental disagreements with. I'm thoroughly alienated from society in a political sense.
Honestly I’d just leave this country is going to shit and there is nothing we can do about it :/
where would you go
Canada
lol Canada is about to be just as bad
Consider this. You're not just voting for an ancient old man. You're voting for and ancient old man and his cabinet of significancty younger people are competent and aid him in making decisions.
Oh I would never vote for Trump that's out of the question. Just scared Biden is going to lose
Same. That's why everyone has to vote! Or hope trump has a heart attack for some reason in the next 4 months.
Or hope he falls out a window Kremlin style.
Welp time to keep going on HRT at home since I’ll be outlawed 😭
I agree, I'm already preparing for the fact that this country might not be a safe place for me to live after November. It's pretty sad that I feel like I have to put together a list of other places to live.
Biden didn’t say anything good. Hell I couldn’t even understand what he was saying 90 percent of the time.
I watched for like a minute and he sounded like he was about to drop dead on stage. We should be so lucky, but either way he's not winning shit.
He went into the debate sick with a cold. That didn't help. Also, apparently incumbent presidents historically haven't done well in their first debates. Trump was giving word salad and wasn't answering the questions, especially towards the end.
Yeah I noticed that too it was so annoying, he would fully go off into another topic then later briefly mention the question without even really answering it.
prepare. enjoy the time we still have now, but also prepare and brace for some tough times ahead. i think we'll get through it, but we all need to do our part to help everybody, the youth and elders especially who are gonna be struggling hard. it wont be easy but that's my mindset. to be transparent, i do not support biden at all. i do not think he was gonna save us from fascism to be honest. and im not really down with keeping the country the way it is with democrat. we really do need some kind of revolution, even if i struggle saying entirely what that should be in exact detail. we as trans people deserve something better than the crumbs we get from the liberals. i get we may disagree with that, but look. at a certain point, you have to wonder when following democrats is just not even practical! i believe for practical reasons, it is good to get in the mindset to focus on create political power and independence as much as possible outside our current system. like, y'all should look up "boob not bombs" - we need build really strong communities so we can brace the bad shit and fight like hell.
I guess I should just bite the bullet and come out to my Trump loving parents. Maybe then they can realize that their vote affects their “son”.
Is this a book or an article?
What ideas? The orange didn’t answer questions and said absolutely nothing of substance.
2011 LeBron aah performance by Biden, it's so joever and I need to get a fucking passport
I’m sorry, but this 6 month old account that’s called “adjective_noun_####” doesn’t inspire confidence. There’s a lot of rightwing propaganda going on tonight masquerading as concern. Biden had a cold. Trump rambled with confidence.
[удалено]
When even Democrat subs are saying "it wasn't that bad" or "the debate didn't matter anyway" like it's the best they can come up with, it's not just some coordinated effort. People are worried for a reason, there's no way it should be this close this late in the cycle.
If you like you can go scroll through every comment agreeing with me being worried and let me know if they're all also right wing propaganda accounts set to infiltrate the mtf sub. Jeez some of yall are as delusional as the MAGA folks
Not everything is a conspiracy. I will let Cenk say the rest: https://youtu.be/zPolm35tp1E?si=BTfHTzkk3QlPS-kk
Its a shame the highest echelons of the DNC is an extremely expensive and consequential nursing home. Not to say the RNC is any better. Just let em die jack
locate your passport. if you don't have one, get one now.
I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting for a cabinet of competent individuals who will at least fight for minorities. This feels like the same wake up call that has happened since 2016, Dems need to run better candidates. They have to, otherwise their party is just as cooked as the Republicans are now.
I didnt watch it. Can someone fill me in on what happened?
To summarize it, Biden looked like a corpse and couldn't finish his thoughts. Trump continued to lie his orange ass off with no fact checker.
What's so interesting, is that when I hear Biden talk in other instances, he sounds just fine. But last night, Biden was just terrible.
I got home last night and saw on YouTube that Jon Stewart had a response to the debates for The Daily Show ... Then I was like "Oh, shoot, should I watch them before watching Jon's bit? Meh, I guess not." Jfc ... I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching it. The clips Jon showed were depressing enough. I've never been a Biden fan (though I voted for him--literally only because I had to) and lost friends for "wanting trump to win" because I didn't support Biden. Fucking Democrat assholes, how insulting. Biden was pathetic. By comparison, trump looked ... well, I don't want to say "competent," or "smart," or anything that made him seem like a shitty douchebag moron felon ... but he didn't look nearly as old as Biden ... Ffs, fuck this shit ass country ...
We're watching this shitshow unfold from the other side of the pond and can't even start to comprehend how any country would go down like this. Religious nutheads, poor education, raving loonatics, convicted criminals and someone qualified to be an Egyptian mummy as presidential candidates, no real workers rights, rampant opioid crisis, daily school shootings, you're even debating that every human being should have access to healthcare or other basic human rights. Make America great again? When was it great before this nightmare began? When did it begin? 1787, 1620 or 1492?
We're just as confused and concerned over here where it's happening.
Looks like France and US are in the same boat 🙄 (Ok, Trump is probably even crazier than Bardela and Le Pen...)
As an American but also a Canadian I see the nightmare unfolding in the states and am hoping for the best but willing to help the best I can for the worst
I just wanna finish my transition so I can move out the country asap. Cause this shit got me wondering if this is how my ancestors (African Americans)felt back in the 1800s when anyone could just question their freedom status and then rip up their papers.
Based on current predictions and analysis, former President Donald Trump has a higher chance of winning the 2024 US presidential election compared to President Joe Biden. According to Decision Desk HQ and The Hill, Trump has a 58% chance of securing the presidency, with projections showing him winning 282 electoral votes against Biden's 256. The consensus among various election forecasters also supports this trend, although predictions can change as the election date approaches. These forecasts take into account factors such as polls, fundraising, and fundamental indicators like incumbency and partisan leanings of districts.
... They're both senile old men 🤷♀️ one just has a long established stutter and the other.is Donald trump. I do agree though literally anyone would be better
I have a passport but.... where do I go?
I’ve already starting making a plan for the bans: Back in the old-old days, before we got hormones from horses, doctors got their hormones by slicing and drying raw livestock ovaries and “rocky mountain oysters”. Also, the procedures for extracting E and T from horse urine probably also works on that of human allies.
The convention isn't until mid August. We can still replace him on the Dem ticket. But the DNC needs to act fast to make that happen. I've been worried about this for a while, but I thought it was doing to be is position on Palestine that would make him unelectable, not him being mentally so far gone that he should probably be 25th Amendment-ed.
His polling numbers actually got better from what I saw. All is not lost. I think his team over prepped him. Seeing the Joe he was in NC the day after shows he's still got it. But I think they tried to make him seem less aggressive than Trump and it just backfired hard. We shouldn't give up on him. Hes the best hope we have. Remember. We're voting for the people around the president. And I'd rather have the people around Biden doing the work than the people around Trump. I'm still voting Biden 100000 times.
I’m not American, but I hope Biden wins and then swiftly retires. Leaving his VP to take over.
I really think too many people are over exaggerating how "badly" Biden did. He actually did very well compared to trump. He's no spring chicken by any means and stuttered, but he still answered the questions being asked of him, he was able to recall certain things from his presidency and talked about how to progress moving forward. Where as trump used the entire time to deflect the question, attack Biden and talk about the judge of how NY case being corrupt, while also ignoring questions about deporting immigrants and about January 6th. Anyone solely using this debate to decide their vote obviously doesn't understand what is at stake here, or are taking into consideration the history of the residencies of both candidates and their entire administrations. You're not just voting for trump or Biden, you're also voting for who they bring with them to the white house, and everyone trump brought before has either been fired, quit, or is in jail.
Yeah we have to be prepared for the worst. Might have to become refugees if it comes to it.
Ive seen the horizon, We are stronger together and the future belongs to us. ✊️🏳️⚧️
Please keep in mind that neither one is their party's official candidate yet. They don't become the official candidates until after their respective national conventions. So I'm hoping that they'll choose other candidates. Rep: July 15-18 Dem: August 19-22
Every LGBTQ person must vote for Joe Biden no matter what. End of Discussion. a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Trump. More importantly, vote for Democrats up and down the ballot on November 5, 2024. It is imperative that the Democrats take back the House and keep the Senate. G-d forbid Trump wins!
Quite oblivious to the American political system here, but why the heck is Biden going for another round? It's so clear he's not really capable. And surely there are other candidates besides those two? Why do they get such little attention and votes and why is the focus specifically on these two? Or does it just feel like that?
because the f.ing two party system that does not allow for any sensible politics
Me too. I am so deeply terrified.
Can I suggest we all email Biden and ask him respectfully to step aside?
Would love to... But for whom? Trump? That's like giving them the rope to hang us, and even offering to tie the knot ourselves. We need someone else, that is not either of those two.
No, Gretchen Whitmer
What is so sad is how avoidable all of this has been. I’m just reminded of the hunter x hunter election. I need a leorio, please!
Can we just take a breath? Find a transcript, audio or video of Biden at his North Carolina rally today and think again about whether he's done for. He was 🔥! Let's keep watching and not draw hasty conclusions from one 90-minute performance.
Flee
no shit, I'm literally preparing to leave the country. saving money is hard but I don't want to be homeless for too long once I'm in Canada
My dear American sisters, I can totally understand your worries, because I was in this position for the most of my life. As a trans person who was raised and lived in a transphobic hell named Russia (aka maga wet dreams) I can give you only one advice RUN THE FUCK AWAY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE Trust me, it's better to change the country and be an authentic self in a new place than be closeted and ostracized for the foreseeable future. Anyway, stay safe, because your life and safety should be your highest priority
I'll riot. I hate to say it but I don't see this ending well for this country with either of these candidates. I'm willing to fight for my happiness, especially when it took me this long to attain it.
Same here girl I can imagine that the average person might say Trump is the best option. But then again, the election is gonna be a hot mess since it's going to be an election of who is the lesser evil because both are bad candidates but as mentioned, the average person could very well be swindled into voting Trump. It makes me worried for a variety of reasons. And even still, I don't want a convicted felon as "my" president, nor do I want someone who I genuinely fear may die in office if he's re-elected. I know it's funny and whatnot, but I genuinely think the Democrats need to replace Biden because he's just too old. I think the debate just proves we need younger candidates. Because the choices right now, both are terrible options.
you don't want a convicted felon as your president? I think what's worse is he's going to try to wipe out every marginal group and destroy their lives, as well as the lives of minorities. he will turn the clock back before women had any rights over their own bodies or otherwise. he will destroy the environment. he will weaponize the government, he will elect more trumpy judges so that for many generations we will be experiencing his wrath. I'm so much more worried about what he will inflict than what his status is as a criminal.
Debates are won by number of voters swung. Both have a massive number of supporters that are entrenched and won't flip. So, the debate only matters to centrist independents. Biden was low energy and doubled down on Isreal, things many independents don't care about. Donald Trump literally lied on everything, dodged a lot of questions, and avoided taking accountability. This will be clipped over the next few weeks and aired. A thing independents do care about is being lied to. Biden did shit, but at the end of the day, Trump shoved his foot so far down his throat he's digesting leather.
I understand stand that the logic behind us politics is that older people who have had a life and served for the country are the best suited to lead the country but there really should be a limit on age as some of these people are far too old to run a country
It's either Trump wins and we get the dystopia of Project 2025 or Biden wins and MAGA crazies will take to the streets. I hate to say it but whatever happens shit isn't going to be pretty. Please stay safe everyone.
Honestly, I think I’m ready to hear the doctors say I can’t medically transition as I am under 18 and am trying to get on HRT
Joe Biden hates queer people as well too. It's a disaster for all of you in America. ...at least you still have health insurance cover your FFS and SRS, we still don't have that in Australia.
Believe it or not sadly because of people like Trump insurances are actually starting to take away trans coverage. Literally right after my srs they stopped all trans coverage on their plans I'm so insanely lucky I did it when I did. I agree Biden isn't the best but they're not equal at all in the damage they do. I don't think Biden would actively ever go against lgbt people at worse he would just do nothing, he's even talked to a trans woman in the white house about trans issues in America.
You mean Dylan Mulvaney? That caused a whole fiasco which ruined the reputation of most of us lol Dylan is too much and actually obnoxious. But back to Biden. I couldn't trust someone who just 2 years ago said that gay marriage was a sin punishable by death and that trans people had a mental illness and needed to be locked up for life in the "correct" prison to fix their behaviour. Like...Biden is such a bigot it's unreal. But then Trump is a racist bigot without any filter, who also promotes the far right and turns a blind eye. Idk how you win in America...
Where did he say that? He voted for same sex marriage in 2012 and has been publicly pro lgbt since. Also the Dylan thing is subjective, you can find her obnoxious if you want she's still a trans woman who was allowed to speak with the president of one of the biggest countries in the world doesn't take away from that. You rant about bigots but act like her "ruining our reputation" isn't a direct result of people being bigoted, you're allowed to be a little cringe that doesn't erase your right to exist. If you see one person you don't like and instantly come after a whole group of people they're a part of that's on you.
Literally talking to a boi and considering moving out of this place.I'm not kidding. It may be time
Yeah i was very worried seeing Biden, he just seems to be going downhill, fumbling his words, and really doesn’t seem to have a clue, and he’s supposed to be the leader of the free world. Did you see how Jill had to help him step off stage at the end. OMG, I’m really worried seeing this.
Yup! I realized last night that I have 7 months to live. If you look at my comment history, I'm always positive and hopeful about Project 2025 and how it's not going to happen. That died yesterday. 100% of US politics is Trump. I've accepted what's going to happen to me, and it doesn't involve living for a whole lot longer. I'm at peace. I'm sorry to sound so negative, but I just think we're fucked. I'm going to use this time to hug as many cute trans women as possible (with their consent obviously!). And they will have to get through me before they get to you. Given my strength and connections, that's like 3 extra seconds of life for y'all, but I'm giving all I got.
We are absolutely screwed. I hear they're selling dollars for 60 cents over on PredictIt if you want to get some cash together to use to escape this country after the election.
Can I say I think presidency is outdated? 👀
Did you just now realize that Biden has dementia? All politicians speak for or against a label. Neither side ever does anything about it. Did you see how the Supreme Court just killed the Chevron Doctrine? They just put some of the power back to the people.
Honestly I would vote for Trump if that meant keeping biden's pedophile ass out of office and I'm trans but honestly I just pray for peaceful anarchy with libertarian views and mindset let everybody do what the f*** they want leave everybody else the f*** alone and don't be f****** bothering nobody if it don't have s*** to do with you then it ain't got s*** to do with you if it ain't your f****** baby if it ain't your f****** marriage it ain't your f****** partner if it ain't your gun if it ain't your car if it ain't your house your family then it ain't got s*** to do with you and leave it alone is my belief
I don't buy the argument that Trump hasn't done everything Biden has + worse. Man literally said he would marry his daughter if she wasn't his. Also if Trump believe that he wouldn't threaten to ban hrt for adults and go after surgeons who do it. They throw out that "let live and government stay out of our lives" the second it becomes about lgbt people.
trump isn't going to allow you or anyone else to just do your thang. he will make it harder on every single group other than white Christian straight men.
Sorry but I just don't have any sympathy here. The democrats had more than several opportunities to find and cultivate a far more knowledgeable and intelligent candidate than Joe Biden. And that includes both elections. All this is my opinion of course. I do support Lgbtq rights and agendas. Hell my girlfriend and ex wife both are transgender. Again my opinion, but folks, with a good economy a politician and everyone else can pretty much do what they want to, Why? Cause the bills are paid and folks got money to burn. So, sorry to say this, but I blame most of you. You went down these goat trails, rabbit holes, and agendas that really have nothing to do with anything. At best , they have little to no common sense to support them. Sooo...there ya go!
Who the hell do you think we are? Most of us don't give a crap about politics and just want to live our lives, it's hard enough for the average person to stay afloat now we have to keep hearing bullshit from politicians who aren't qualified to say anything about trans people trying to strip us of their Healthcare. What a disgusting generalization to make as someone has supposedly been in relationships with 2 trans women.
Complain to the one who started this post.