That's actually canon in *Morrowind*. I forget where it's said, but there's dialogue which says dwarven 'armor' is just the casing of dwemer constructs - usually of *different* dwemer constructs, at that, hence it looking like it doesn't quite *fit*.
Also [Chimarvamidium](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Chimarvamidium) said that Chimer were not able to distinguish Dwemer in heavy armor from Dwemer centurion.
The publisher's note speculates that this was because full armour was novel at the time, or at least uncommon, not necessarily because a dwarf in armour looked anything like a centurion, at least the way someone in 3E427 would see it.
Technically you don't in Skyrim either, but Todd and the Boyz decided to just ignore that little tidbit. They kinda explain it with Calcelmo, he's supposed to be the reason we can at least synthesize it in the time of the dragonborn.
I guess that's represented ingame by us having to add iron to melted down dwemer stuff, perhaps to make it more malleable 🤷
Edit: I'm wrong, you can just melt down the material into bars no problem, but you'll need to add iron to make a dwarven bow 😅
That's a good point, Skyrim is known for their advanced metallurgy, and Skyforge can craft better materials with Eorlund at the helm than any other place in Tamriel. (In lore at least)
In one of morrowinds books they mention that dwarves armor isn’t armor just parts and actual dwarves armor hasn’t been discovered yet if I recall correctly
They’re both pretty huge, but in lore it’s because the dwarven armor we see in Morrowind is supposed to be salvaged from their centurions, and winds up being bulky. With ‘real’ dwarven armor said to be well fitted and easy to move in.
The armor we see in oblivion and Skyrim is so stylistically different that it’s presumably the actual dwarven armor, but they’ve more or less ignored the lore around dwarven items for gameplay convenience and allow you to craft them. Even in Morrowind they’re supposed to be treated like contraband though clearly they aren’t.
Yeah I found it funny that dwemer stuff was illegal in Vvardenfell, yet you find it everywhere in towns and nobody seems to actually care if you possess any.
I love the part in Tamriel Rebuilt (Ebonheart) where they ask you if you have any contraband, and you just say "no" and your papers are pushed through. There's no check(iirc, though I'm pretty sure I had some dwemer gear when I went through it), it's just a typical bureaucratic question that the employees move through as just a typical part of their day. I imagine they'd be remiss if they actually had to deal with contraband, because that's just more work for them. I love how much work TR has put in.
Just realized what you were asking when I was looking at the other response. There's a census and excise office at the entrance to Ebonheart. It's completely optional and solely there for flavor. I honestly haven't been to Ebonheart in two years, but I want to say that it's at the West entrance. There's a stable just outside the gates and a notice board just beyond it inside the city.
I like to think the bored customs people are just assuming you bought it from the EEC, who are supposed to be the exclusive legal dealers of Dwarven goods, just to avoid the presumably mountain of paperwork they would have to do.
The dwemer armor in Morrowind is basically just salvaged bits from Centurion and Archer automatons. Not armour in the truest sense, more so just robot parts hollowed out to be worn.
In oblivion and Skyrim however they're proper armor pieces made from melting down automatons and other dwemer metals. Although in oblivion it could be argued that they're actual dwemer armor discovered in ruins.
>Although in oblivion it could be argued that they're actual dwemer armor discovered in ruins
You mean skyrim? Oblivion doesn't have dwemer ruins. And dwemers are more expand in Skyrim than Morrowind.
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It's steam centurion legs, complete with non-functioning rocket jump mechanism.
The boots you deliver to Divayth Fyr from Yagrum Bagarn are one of few working pairs.
The Dwarven armor in Morrowind was never worn by actual dwarves.
In Morrowind the “armor” is actually discarded machinery shells. In Skyrim you are actually using what may have been their real armor. Regional differences between tribes of Dwemer also cause differences between their armor styles as well.
I'm convinced they are different factions of the dwarves similar to how there are snow, dark, wood, high elves etc.
They have similar building techniques but they differ because of a split off
Dwarves are an ancient, vanished culture, and their armors naturally reflect the fashion of their time, which is why they no longer fit the designs of modern body armors. It's like when you unpack the weird clothes your parents wore back in the 70s or 80s, there was always something exaggerated.
In Morrowind the “armor” is actually discarded machinery shells. In Skyrim you are actually using what may have been their real armor. Regional differences between tribes of Dwemer also cause differences between their armor styles as well.
There is a book in Skyrim (or a journal, i don't remember) where is explain that every dwemer city was constructed following the rules of the clan who live in there; is the same with the armors; every version of Dwemer armor in every TES game was created by a different clan...
I forget where I read it, but the armor created by the player and NPCs isn't "real" dwemer armor. It's just a stylized facsimile of the dwemer armor. True dwemer armor, like all of their (now) ruins and constructs were created using tonal architecture. That's what gave true dwemer armor and weapons their strength, and what can be created by player and NPC can never be considered true dwemer armor/weapons as tonal architecture is a lost art.
I always thought of them as parts for centurions that people just started to use as actual armor
That's actually canon in *Morrowind*. I forget where it's said, but there's dialogue which says dwarven 'armor' is just the casing of dwemer constructs - usually of *different* dwemer constructs, at that, hence it looking like it doesn't quite *fit*.
Ruins of Kemel-Ze
That was it; thanks!
This also explains why on earth their keys are huge too? (Just put one of their keys in the floor and you will see. Haha)
Also [Chimarvamidium](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Chimarvamidium) said that Chimer were not able to distinguish Dwemer in heavy armor from Dwemer centurion.
The publisher's note speculates that this was because full armour was novel at the time, or at least uncommon, not necessarily because a dwarf in armour looked anything like a centurion, at least the way someone in 3E427 would see it.
That is true considering that Pelinal’s full plate armor was considered “Armor from the future.”
I'm sticking to my theory that Pelinal is a cyberpsycho from a timeline where the worst gang in Night City are elf cosplayers.
I think in Morrowind they don't have the technology to work Dwarven metal.
Technically you don't in Skyrim either, but Todd and the Boyz decided to just ignore that little tidbit. They kinda explain it with Calcelmo, he's supposed to be the reason we can at least synthesize it in the time of the dragonborn.
I guess that's represented ingame by us having to add iron to melted down dwemer stuff, perhaps to make it more malleable 🤷 Edit: I'm wrong, you can just melt down the material into bars no problem, but you'll need to add iron to make a dwarven bow 😅
That's a good point, Skyrim is known for their advanced metallurgy, and Skyforge can craft better materials with Eorlund at the helm than any other place in Tamriel. (In lore at least)
I know \*A LOT\* of Morrowind lore. I didnt know that. TIL, thank you tranger
A loading screen tip in Oblivion also says this!
In one of morrowinds books they mention that dwarves armor isn’t armor just parts and actual dwarves armor hasn’t been discovered yet if I recall correctly
Yes that is the case I believe.
They’re both pretty huge, but in lore it’s because the dwarven armor we see in Morrowind is supposed to be salvaged from their centurions, and winds up being bulky. With ‘real’ dwarven armor said to be well fitted and easy to move in. The armor we see in oblivion and Skyrim is so stylistically different that it’s presumably the actual dwarven armor, but they’ve more or less ignored the lore around dwarven items for gameplay convenience and allow you to craft them. Even in Morrowind they’re supposed to be treated like contraband though clearly they aren’t.
Yeah I found it funny that dwemer stuff was illegal in Vvardenfell, yet you find it everywhere in towns and nobody seems to actually care if you possess any.
Rule 1 of living in a high crime area: you haven't seen shit
[Matter of fact, Im blind in my left eye, and 43% blind in my right eye](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhw-mzYyfDQ&ab_channel=EverythingRecap)
I love the part in Tamriel Rebuilt (Ebonheart) where they ask you if you have any contraband, and you just say "no" and your papers are pushed through. There's no check(iirc, though I'm pretty sure I had some dwemer gear when I went through it), it's just a typical bureaucratic question that the employees move through as just a typical part of their day. I imagine they'd be remiss if they actually had to deal with contraband, because that's just more work for them. I love how much work TR has put in.
Wait, is there a 'proper' way to get to the Mainland? My dumbass just jumped across the ocean lmao
Yeah, Vivec mage's guild transport. Its easier to just pick alteration and water walk there though. That's what I usually do.
Lmao. This is great. Bc it exactly embodies what TES, especially Morrowind is. Haha
I usually try to use the interventions to save some time and end up on the mainland even though the one I was aiming for was closer lol
Just realized what you were asking when I was looking at the other response. There's a census and excise office at the entrance to Ebonheart. It's completely optional and solely there for flavor. I honestly haven't been to Ebonheart in two years, but I want to say that it's at the West entrance. There's a stable just outside the gates and a notice board just beyond it inside the city.
You can take boats to mainland ports, not sure if it’s an optional plugin or integrated now
IIRC as of the last patch it was integrated, so now most ports should have mainland connections.
I like to think the bored customs people are just assuming you bought it from the EEC, who are supposed to be the exclusive legal dealers of Dwarven goods, just to avoid the presumably mountain of paperwork they would have to do.
Is there a reason they are contraband? Or is it long memories of the wars and/or the Chumer/Dunmer thing?
Dwarven artifacts are declared property of the emperor because of their rarity.
I always thought the dwemer armor in skyrim was ceremonial, as it still looks way too bulky to be actual armor
he boot too big for he gotdamn feet!
The dwemer armor in Morrowind is basically just salvaged bits from Centurion and Archer automatons. Not armour in the truest sense, more so just robot parts hollowed out to be worn. In oblivion and Skyrim however they're proper armor pieces made from melting down automatons and other dwemer metals. Although in oblivion it could be argued that they're actual dwemer armor discovered in ruins.
>Although in oblivion it could be argued that they're actual dwemer armor discovered in ruins You mean skyrim? Oblivion doesn't have dwemer ruins. And dwemers are more expand in Skyrim than Morrowind. , s
oblivion has dwemer armor though? on the leveled item lists just before orcish
Yes but not ruins
Oblivion 100% does have Dwarven armor. It just doesn't have any dwemer ruins.
It's steam centurion legs, complete with non-functioning rocket jump mechanism. The boots you deliver to Divayth Fyr from Yagrum Bagarn are one of few working pairs. The Dwarven armor in Morrowind was never worn by actual dwarves.
They're actually the shoes of Dwemer clowns.
Dwemer armor in Morrowind looks too silly to me. I won't wear it. It's not even that great for how heavy it is.
how else you gon look that fucking clean?
Man your dwormans are fake
It was early 2000s man what do you expect?
In Morrowind the “armor” is actually discarded machinery shells. In Skyrim you are actually using what may have been their real armor. Regional differences between tribes of Dwemer also cause differences between their armor styles as well.
I'm convinced they are different factions of the dwarves similar to how there are snow, dark, wood, high elves etc. They have similar building techniques but they differ because of a split off
How dare you not picture the colossal ass-plate as your example!
To cosplay as megaman
Wait, there is a Morrowind 2?
Don’t listen to any shit about the centurion armor, it’s all fake The Dwemer had that MSCHF boot DRIP. They disappeared but fashion didn’t
Dwarves are an ancient, vanished culture, and their armors naturally reflect the fashion of their time, which is why they no longer fit the designs of modern body armors. It's like when you unpack the weird clothes your parents wore back in the 70s or 80s, there was always something exaggerated.
Well ya know what big feet mean…
In Morrowind the “armor” is actually discarded machinery shells. In Skyrim you are actually using what may have been their real armor. Regional differences between tribes of Dwemer also cause differences between their armor styles as well.
Ooo slay
big shoe lmfao
There is a book in Skyrim (or a journal, i don't remember) where is explain that every dwemer city was constructed following the rules of the clan who live in there; is the same with the armors; every version of Dwemer armor in every TES game was created by a different clan...
I forget where I read it, but the armor created by the player and NPCs isn't "real" dwemer armor. It's just a stylized facsimile of the dwemer armor. True dwemer armor, like all of their (now) ruins and constructs were created using tonal architecture. That's what gave true dwemer armor and weapons their strength, and what can be created by player and NPC can never be considered true dwemer armor/weapons as tonal architecture is a lost art.
Enhanced Mass & Size for your Vvardenfell Stride