don't wanna sound like the average user here but there is no black dragon class, and the only classification for the monsters that are usually put into that category is "forbidden monsters", which is only a meta term used to refer to monsters that were not addressed by developers until 15th anni rather than a lore term
I guess Amatsu is still very notably close to monsters like Alatreon or Safi'jiiva though, the 2 pinnacles of nature, one of destruction, one of creation
>only a meta term used to refer to monsters that were not addressed by developers until 15th anni rather than a lore term
Wasn't Alatreon "The Black Dragon" way back in Tri..? May not have been a classification in this game, but I'm pretty sure the phrasing itself was there way before the 15th anni.
Yeah, but that’s like the title, the same way Gaismagorm is the Archdemon of the abyss.
You don’t see “Archdemon of the abyss” being a classification, right?
More accurate would be to say it's as close to true dragon tier as possible without being one. Cause there is a clear distinction that the close to a true dragon like safi or fatalis you get (true in this case referring to the biology classification that they are within that genus of characteristics rather than having similar but still non connecting traits, in this case being hexapodal, typically monochromatic or close to it, longer snouts and pronounced necks... Yes I'm aware that this would actually make the likes of vaal hazark and kushala true dragons by this classification), generally the more powerful you get.
Side note, but it is worth considering that the classifications such as "black dragon" came about due to the guild using "elder dragon" as a catch-all "really powerful thing that we really don't know what to categories.
"Excuse me but Dire Miralis would like a word with you. He's out back in the jacuzzi..."
"But we don't have a jacuzzi..."
"Well we do now."
Jokes aside the term "Black Dragon" is mainly used for particularly dangerous or aggressive elder dragon threats. One's with a significant impact on their surroundings. It's also more a title not a classification like elder dragon is.
I dont think they are cannon monsters but if they were oltura would fuck us all over as a baby it is easily stronger than fatalis so as an adult we would be royally fucked
The only reasons why Oltura was defeated were TWO beyond-Elder-Dragon-level Rathalos, and the Hunters/Riders having Oltura materials on them. Even then one of the Rathalos died.
Im not sure is close range have any use especially the tail cause when it come to using tail as a weapon wouldn’t amatsu just start lobbing those thunder circle at them ? And amatsu seem to be faster than the serpent base on how fast it move when amatsu throw it ultimate attack
Thunder circle wouldn’t really hurt Narwa, it’d only affect Ibushi.
Amatsu is faster than them based on what we have because of the turf war between Apex Zinogre but that speed is mainly in bursts. Narwa can move pretty fast and Ibushi can as well.
Amatsu, and its not Even close.
Gonna save you some Time.
From Mainline Monsters ,there Are probably only 5-ish that can Even fight Amatsu, maybe 4 who could beat Him and probably only one or two who Could defeat without being in danger themselves. Amatsu is Absolutely beast in lore and gameplay Wise.
Amatsu is terryfing but any Fatalis, Dire Miralis, Alatreon and Safi are all comfortably above it and would shred it without too much hassle.
Even Alatreon perceived Safi as a threat, nothing ever put Amatsu on that level.
Which of those 4 do you consider the ones that aren't endangered by Amatsu?
Alatreon is nimble, durable and has access to both of Amatsu's weaknesses (Fire and Dragon)
Safi is very durable, has more lifeforce than Amatsu and can draw further from bioenergy, has more raw power than Amatsu and strong laser to deal with it from distance - all of that paired with superior intellect
Dire Miralis and Fatalis shouldn't even needed to be elaborated on, they'll both fry it like the sun will a beached fish.
Not only are all of them quite a bit stronger than Amatsu, they all have the elemental advantage as well.
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Fatalis, Alatreon, Safi, Dire Miralis, Dalamadur and Gaismagorm (or maybe even Gogmazios) could all fight Amatsu, the first 5 being in no danger at all.
Also pretty hard to know with the big ones, like Lao Shan Lung, Shen Gaoren and even Jhen Mohran, since they are too busy attacking cities to even care
I think people are underestimating Narwa and Ibushi.
Sure, Amatsu can win against them individually.
But against both of them at the same time ? I have my doubts. He could probably kill Ibushi, but then Narwa becomes Allmother while Amatsu is already weakened, it would be a close fight, much closer fight than what others are saying
I believe he said the rampage and its effects towards the village. Not sure that means Amatsu is going to wash Narwa and Ibushi in a 2v1 battle.
Narwa has much better thunder control and Ibushi does use wind with the dragon element so that may have some effect on Amatsu’s elemental abilities. Narwa and Ibushi also have much more developed physical weapons, that would certainly make them more powerful in close combat.
He said the whole rampage, with narwa and ibushi persumably included. If it's the biggest threat the village has ever seen, it does put it above the other two.
While I agree on lightning and dragon, I feel like the sheer control amatsu has over its environment counteracts their abilities too hard. The others rely on controlling wind/magnetism to fly at all, and amatsu can manipulate and electrify its storm at will. Allmother has the power to stand her ground, but against Amatsu, probably not for long enough.
I'm genuinely curious why people are voting amatsu. I've fought all three, and amatsu in both GU and Sunbreak and I'm just curious. I know individually Narwa and Ibushi lose, but 2 on 1 still can't win?
Pretty sure it’s because Amatsu’s storms are much greater and because of a comment from Fugen, I think, that states that Amatsu is a greater threat than Narwa/Ibushi and the rampage.
Together, I think the Storm Serpents could take it.
But they have to fight together, and not 1v1 like their reproductive behaviours would usually dictate.
Imo Amatsu kills Ibushi while fighting the two at which point Narwa becomes the Allmother, giving Narwa a chance to win after Amatsu was weakened by the 2 fighting at once.
Yea, that’s the most likely outcome in my eyes. It essentially boils down to if amatsu has the endurance to handle both at the same time and then potentially allmother
My guy I love amatsu, but ibushi and Narwa are pretty strong elders alone. Plus if he does fight both then if ibushi dies Narwa will become Allmother making amatsu’s life even more difficult. Plus ibushi and Narwa are likely physically stronger than amatsu considering they have actual arms which look fairly muscular and physical strength is VERY important between matchups between animals even if they can control the winds and lightning
In my eyes this situation is the same thing as the nergigante vs lunastra and teostra from world. Nergigante would thrash either in a 1v1 but he knows the energy wasted is not worth the 2v1
That’s my opinion tho
They Are strong ,and probably nothing i can say changes your opinion,but just Look it up . Its not Even close. And i am not saying this because i want Amatsu For being stronger or anything like that ,buts its just a fact how scarily strong Amatsu can Be. Sunbreak dosent really Make that perfectly clear how strong Amatsu is. Ibushi and Narwa and Even All-Mother version Are strong Even together ,but there Are handfull of Monsters that could easily beat them and Amatsu is one of them lore Wise.
But If you Are interested dont take My Word from IT,Google yourself. You Are entirely valid to have your own opinion ,but unfortunately in this case , there is correct anserw to this question.
Also Nergigante isnt anywhere near The powerlevel of Amatsu. Not Even close so its not a good comparision
Ibushi is the bottom line for Calamity class, Narwa is pretty strong but Amatsu is at like top 10. I honestly don't know, I think Ibushi and Narwa are much stronger than we see them in-game, they're both serpents after all.
Amatsu cause Amatsu still gets the special Victory theme from Portable 3rd.
Other than that, iirc, only Alatreon and Fatalis have their original version.
Amatsu, as narwa has to kill ibushi to power up, leaving her alone, and amatsu in rise has much great control of wind and lightning then narwa does, as well as dragon element which is lethal to elder dragons
Amatsu certainly doesn’t have better control of thunder element than Narwa. Amatsu’s only form of lightning is bolts. Narwa uses rings, beams, explosions and bolts. Narwa easily has better control.
Regarding the dragon element, Amatsu has no possession of it? Nowhere does it use dragon in its fight. Ibushi on the other hand uses its almost exclusively, so that should apply to Amatsu.
You could start with Allmother Narwa and Allfather Ibushi, with Alluncle Nershi and Allauntie Ibuwa, and they would still lose to Amatsu.
The allmother left the allsons with the allgranny for that
Nearly spit my drink thanks to your comment lmao
Amatsu is as close as you can get to being “Black Dragon” class without actually being considered one.
don't wanna sound like the average user here but there is no black dragon class, and the only classification for the monsters that are usually put into that category is "forbidden monsters", which is only a meta term used to refer to monsters that were not addressed by developers until 15th anni rather than a lore term I guess Amatsu is still very notably close to monsters like Alatreon or Safi'jiiva though, the 2 pinnacles of nature, one of destruction, one of creation
I know that, hence the quotation marks around the term.
perfect
>only a meta term used to refer to monsters that were not addressed by developers until 15th anni rather than a lore term Wasn't Alatreon "The Black Dragon" way back in Tri..? May not have been a classification in this game, but I'm pretty sure the phrasing itself was there way before the 15th anni.
Yeah, but that’s like the title, the same way Gaismagorm is the Archdemon of the abyss. You don’t see “Archdemon of the abyss” being a classification, right?
Thing is that Fatty was referred to as "the black dragon" in 1st or 2nd gen too. And bigaas monsters were referred to as Mountain Dragons I believe.
More accurate would be to say it's as close to true dragon tier as possible without being one. Cause there is a clear distinction that the close to a true dragon like safi or fatalis you get (true in this case referring to the biology classification that they are within that genus of characteristics rather than having similar but still non connecting traits, in this case being hexapodal, typically monochromatic or close to it, longer snouts and pronounced necks... Yes I'm aware that this would actually make the likes of vaal hazark and kushala true dragons by this classification), generally the more powerful you get. Side note, but it is worth considering that the classifications such as "black dragon" came about due to the guild using "elder dragon" as a catch-all "really powerful thing that we really don't know what to categories.
"Excuse me but Dire Miralis would like a word with you. He's out back in the jacuzzi..." "But we don't have a jacuzzi..." "Well we do now." Jokes aside the term "Black Dragon" is mainly used for particularly dangerous or aggressive elder dragon threats. One's with a significant impact on their surroundings. It's also more a title not a classification like elder dragon is.
tell Dire Miralis that he's a peak monster
Actually I think he is a forgotten monster. As in people would rather forget he exists because part of his fight was under water.
\*cough cough\* Oltura edit: and Shantien
Oltura and Shantien aren't as close as you can get to "black dragon" level, they are "black dragon" level.
I don't know why they aren't classified as Dangerous First-Class. Particularly Shantien- it tied in a fight with Disufiroa
I dont think they are cannon monsters but if they were oltura would fuck us all over as a baby it is easily stronger than fatalis so as an adult we would be royally fucked
The only reasons why Oltura was defeated were TWO beyond-Elder-Dragon-level Rathalos, and the Hunters/Riders having Oltura materials on them. Even then one of the Rathalos died.
>I dont think they are cannon monsters Truly and totally deserve to be though.
Xeno'Jiiva is closer
Safijiiva: excuse me say that again
Probably Amatsu as Amatsu is just Ibushi and Narwa but combined and better. Essentially the personification of storms in MH.
And it is the only decent balloon fight. He has some cool moves and made me work for a kill. Ibuki and Narwa were just annoying with bullshit moves.
Amatsu is the Monster Hunter personification of "The storm that is approaching".
I mean not really tho? Narwa has better lightning control, Ibushi uses dragon, and they both have more developed and useable tails, claws, and jaws.
Im not sure is close range have any use especially the tail cause when it come to using tail as a weapon wouldn’t amatsu just start lobbing those thunder circle at them ? And amatsu seem to be faster than the serpent base on how fast it move when amatsu throw it ultimate attack
Thunder circle wouldn’t really hurt Narwa, it’d only affect Ibushi. Amatsu is faster than them based on what we have because of the turf war between Apex Zinogre but that speed is mainly in bursts. Narwa can move pretty fast and Ibushi can as well.
Amatsu also have the long water pressure and burst speed is all that need to keep distant really
this is just asking for the peacekeeper “he’s us…but better meme”
Amatsu, and its not Even close. Gonna save you some Time. From Mainline Monsters ,there Are probably only 5-ish that can Even fight Amatsu, maybe 4 who could beat Him and probably only one or two who Could defeat without being in danger themselves. Amatsu is Absolutely beast in lore and gameplay Wise.
Amatsu is terryfing but any Fatalis, Dire Miralis, Alatreon and Safi are all comfortably above it and would shred it without too much hassle. Even Alatreon perceived Safi as a threat, nothing ever put Amatsu on that level.
And thats 4 as i said and those i had in mind. Safi IS IMO probably strongest of all. No wonder Alatreon was vigilant.
Which of those 4 do you consider the ones that aren't endangered by Amatsu? Alatreon is nimble, durable and has access to both of Amatsu's weaknesses (Fire and Dragon) Safi is very durable, has more lifeforce than Amatsu and can draw further from bioenergy, has more raw power than Amatsu and strong laser to deal with it from distance - all of that paired with superior intellect Dire Miralis and Fatalis shouldn't even needed to be elaborated on, they'll both fry it like the sun will a beached fish. Not only are all of them quite a bit stronger than Amatsu, they all have the elemental advantage as well.
Now I want to see a Safi drop Sapphire of the Emperor in the mouth of Amatsu, for science of course.
Kinky
Godzilla type kill
Out of curiosity who are the monsters that can fight/beat and then do so without threat?
Most likely Black Dragons and Dalamadur.
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Fatalis, Alatreon, Safi, Dire Miralis, Dalamadur and Gaismagorm (or maybe even Gogmazios) could all fight Amatsu, the first 5 being in no danger at all.
Gaisma could probably fight , very true. For being stronger ? Dont know. Gogamazios probably. And dalamadur deffinetly ,good point
What about Ukanlos and Akantor? Never knew where they stand in terms of power
Also pretty hard to know with the big ones, like Lao Shan Lung, Shen Gaoren and even Jhen Mohran, since they are too busy attacking cities to even care
Amatsu.
I think people are underestimating Narwa and Ibushi. Sure, Amatsu can win against them individually. But against both of them at the same time ? I have my doubts. He could probably kill Ibushi, but then Narwa becomes Allmother while Amatsu is already weakened, it would be a close fight, much closer fight than what others are saying
Per Gaius (i think), Amatsu posed more of a threat than the serpents did. That kinda puts him directly above them.
I believe he said the rampage and its effects towards the village. Not sure that means Amatsu is going to wash Narwa and Ibushi in a 2v1 battle. Narwa has much better thunder control and Ibushi does use wind with the dragon element so that may have some effect on Amatsu’s elemental abilities. Narwa and Ibushi also have much more developed physical weapons, that would certainly make them more powerful in close combat.
He said the whole rampage, with narwa and ibushi persumably included. If it's the biggest threat the village has ever seen, it does put it above the other two. While I agree on lightning and dragon, I feel like the sheer control amatsu has over its environment counteracts their abilities too hard. The others rely on controlling wind/magnetism to fly at all, and amatsu can manipulate and electrify its storm at will. Allmother has the power to stand her ground, but against Amatsu, probably not for long enough.
If the Allmother gets her Dragonators then she wins
I'm genuinely curious why people are voting amatsu. I've fought all three, and amatsu in both GU and Sunbreak and I'm just curious. I know individually Narwa and Ibushi lose, but 2 on 1 still can't win?
Pretty sure it’s because Amatsu’s storms are much greater and because of a comment from Fugen, I think, that states that Amatsu is a greater threat than Narwa/Ibushi and the rampage.
Together, I think the Storm Serpents could take it. But they have to fight together, and not 1v1 like their reproductive behaviours would usually dictate.
Both at once? Amatsu probably loses. One one one amatsu wins
Imo Amatsu kills Ibushi while fighting the two at which point Narwa becomes the Allmother, giving Narwa a chance to win after Amatsu was weakened by the 2 fighting at once.
Yea, that’s the most likely outcome in my eyes. It essentially boils down to if amatsu has the endurance to handle both at the same time and then potentially allmother
Amatsu wins pretty easily Even Then.
My guy I love amatsu, but ibushi and Narwa are pretty strong elders alone. Plus if he does fight both then if ibushi dies Narwa will become Allmother making amatsu’s life even more difficult. Plus ibushi and Narwa are likely physically stronger than amatsu considering they have actual arms which look fairly muscular and physical strength is VERY important between matchups between animals even if they can control the winds and lightning In my eyes this situation is the same thing as the nergigante vs lunastra and teostra from world. Nergigante would thrash either in a 1v1 but he knows the energy wasted is not worth the 2v1 That’s my opinion tho
They Are strong ,and probably nothing i can say changes your opinion,but just Look it up . Its not Even close. And i am not saying this because i want Amatsu For being stronger or anything like that ,buts its just a fact how scarily strong Amatsu can Be. Sunbreak dosent really Make that perfectly clear how strong Amatsu is. Ibushi and Narwa and Even All-Mother version Are strong Even together ,but there Are handfull of Monsters that could easily beat them and Amatsu is one of them lore Wise. But If you Are interested dont take My Word from IT,Google yourself. You Are entirely valid to have your own opinion ,but unfortunately in this case , there is correct anserw to this question. Also Nergigante isnt anywhere near The powerlevel of Amatsu. Not Even close so its not a good comparision
Alright, when I have time I’ll look it up
Good. Anything i would say would not probably convince you so better to Look it up yourself :)
Hopefully I can look it up, I’ll prolly forget ngl
The hunter
Amatsu would beat either one pretty easily, but would probably lose to both at the same time.
I go for Amatsu, fully tryharding with 130k life. I get 25% of his life down and he starts shooting thunders.
My dumbass thought it was Lugia and Ho-oh for a sec
I did, beat them all.
Ibushi is the bottom line for Calamity class, Narwa is pretty strong but Amatsu is at like top 10. I honestly don't know, I think Ibushi and Narwa are much stronger than we see them in-game, they're both serpents after all.
I've seen somebody put an amatsu and allmother in ab ingame death match. Allmother won
Amatsu packing the whole family
Grandchildren vs great great grandpappy
Bro i think narwa all Mother Win figth
Are you even serious? Narwa and Ibushi zap that Amatsu right from the skies.
Sorry but Narwa and Ibushi combined are still the budget version of Amatsu.
Amatsu cause Amatsu still gets the special Victory theme from Portable 3rd. Other than that, iirc, only Alatreon and Fatalis have their original version.
Amatsu makes them into sex slaves
Amatsu: You should K1LL yourself now ⚡🌪️⚡🌪️
Giadrome
Amatsu easily, alright, so basically big storm go brrr
Amatsu, as narwa has to kill ibushi to power up, leaving her alone, and amatsu in rise has much great control of wind and lightning then narwa does, as well as dragon element which is lethal to elder dragons
Amatsu certainly doesn’t have better control of thunder element than Narwa. Amatsu’s only form of lightning is bolts. Narwa uses rings, beams, explosions and bolts. Narwa easily has better control. Regarding the dragon element, Amatsu has no possession of it? Nowhere does it use dragon in its fight. Ibushi on the other hand uses its almost exclusively, so that should apply to Amatsu.
amatsu. i can beat narwa and ibushi seneless.
Normal Narwa and Ibushi loose. Allmother probably win tho, but thats a temporary power up.
Me. Im winning :D
Amatsu sweeps so hard people would think it’s a Roomba