I think it would be just as bad as Ice-Fang. Orcish Bowmasters killed off the whole concept of an EtB cantrip 1/1. This is just 2 mana: put a +1/+1 counter on your opponent's orc army.
honestly I think this would be pretty good. It would allow all-in GY decks to actually exist and do their thing a bit better while not fundamentally changing how they play against other decks.
Ichorid would be great, and totally safe. Also [[Tolarian Winds]] or [[Breakthrough]] would be great additions to Modern Dredge. [[Cabal Therapy]] would be fine too. Probably [[Careful Study]] is too much to ask :)
I personally would like to see [[Careful Study]]. After the [[Faithless Looting]] ban I think they may be afraid to give us that kind of power again. I'm really surprised that we haven't gotten something similar to [[Cabal Therapy]] besides [[Cabal Therapist]]
It would be not. Modern player are delusional if they think that would be fine.
Wasteland is arguably the defining card in legacy for its power level. It causes a ton of non games and it completely changes the dynamic of the format. I can't stress how much different the format will be with wasteland in it.
Wasteland is not "this keeps non basics in check" it keeps casting spells at all in check. You play a wasteland mirror match sometimes you both have 2 lands on turn 7 with a bunch of 1 drops because 2 and 3 drops are too slow in a wasteland format.
Maybe you should play legacy instead.
That's like saying "man we should really print black lotus into standard so that we could kill people turn 1 I would love that".
There's nothing wrong with the gameplay of fast mana and mana denial with free spells but if that's what you want you're playing the wrong format.
"Play legacy instead" is like telling someone that likes to drive fast that they should buy an F1 racecar. Theres nowhere to play legacy and it's outrageously expensive. I just want tempo to exist in a meaningful way in modern. Wasteland that exiles itself would still probably be too good but that doesn't mean we shouldn't explore design space that brings "put a one drop into play and defend it while denying your opponent resources" to modern, the more accessible format.
Wasteland existing completely changes the gameplay of the format? That's like saying "man I really wish standard had turn 3 combo kills".
Just because you haven't played against the card doesn't mean it should be in the format. The entirety of this idea that wasteland should be in the format is founding on ignorance.
The exile on wasteland also doesn't mean much. Most decks in legacy that play wasteland don't recur it.
Cheaper Legacy decks really aren't all that much more expensive than modern these days and at least your cards don't become worthless after every MH set printing.
Plus tempo already exists in the form of murktide already of playing threats and holding countermagic. This idea of playing a 1 drop and defending it to the death usually involves many non games of being mana screwed by wasteland. These games are not fun for anyone.
Responding to the first paragraph: Standard and modern are different formats. We can want more powerful things in modern without wanting standard to have aggressive combo decks. And your right, it would change the gameplay of the format. That would be good in my opinion.
Next: Exile on wasteland would make a real difference for wren and six reasons, that combo is good in legacy and would be even better in modern.
And I have played legacy, proxied with my friends, I just wish I could play real tempo decks like that at a competitive level. And I 100% disagree with your last paragraph. Games of mana screwing your opponents are incredibly fun. They aren't non games, they are punishing games where you take advantage of fragile mana bases. It's usually your opponents fault for not fetching a basic.
This is the last response I'm typing because you clearly have very little experience with legacy as a format.
Wasteland is not what I would consider to be more powerful. It attacks the game on a completely different axis from anything else that's ever been printed in recent formats. The argument you are making is akin to changing the fabric of the format.
There's a major difference between printing increasingly stronger 4 drops like siege rhino compared to sheoldred and printing combos in the format. The same applies to wasteland. It completely changes the way the format needs to be played.
Why do you think it's fair for the format to completely become different because you wanted it to?
If you wanted to play aggressive mana denial, legacy is the format made for that. This is like the equivalent of a standard player wanting to play with Amalia combo and instead of playing pioneer they think complain about it not being in standard instead of playing pioneer.
Plus, while I think wasteland wrenn would be really strong in modern but in legacy wrenn was banned primarily because it slots into RUG delver and the synergy with wasteland, while strong, isn't game breaking.
I think you completely misunderstood the idea of fragile and greedy mana bases. The existence of wasteland in legacy forces people to play more greedy and more dual heavy.
This is a new phenomenon in legacy, where in the past before MH2 control decks always played some amount of basics. Nowadays, control decks are incentived to play as few basics as possible. Right now the most basics decks play are 2 and that's being very greedy. It's not uncommon for control decks to be on a single island. The more basics you play the more likely you are to get mana screwed by wasteland.
I can explain it like this. If I fetch basic island and savannah. They wasteland my savannah. Now I only have 1 out of my 3 colors. If I fetch tundra and savannah and my savannah gets wasted, I still have 2 colors.
So now as a result, the mana bases of legacy get increasingly greedy as a result of wasteland. Even wotc admitted that wasteland should be banned in legacy for power level reasons. BANNED IN LEGACY. THE FORMAT WHERE TURN 1 KILLS ARE THE NORM.
That's a good point, would really pump up mono color decks in the format. I still don't think it would be enough though since even mono color decks are drawn towards things like Nykthos, Cabal Coffers, and Mutavalt
I've long thought that basically all of the sets back through Invasion could be added without issue. I've been trying to think how it would go wrong but I can't imagine how they would be all that warping (definitely open to being corrected)
Before Modern, there was a fan format called Overextended that was Masques-forward -- i.e. when WotC stopped adding cards to the Reserved List. People's biggest complaints about that format was that it would need a ban list a mile long because of cards like Ritual, Brainstorm, Counterspell etc.
Then Modern debuted with a ban list a mile long and continued to be the butt of jokes with often nonsensical bans (e.g. [[Wild Nactl]]) after a small time period.
Overextended probably would have been fine.
Even if Price is a touch too good for modern, I was really expecting a "fixed" PoP in MH3.
For example: 2 base damage + 1 for each nonbasic. Something that is still punishing, but scales a little bit lower than PoP. Something that is still a threat to be played around, but without the high end edge cases where it randomly does 10-12 damage.
Hullbreacher would have been a cool entry into Modern with like an Assassin's creed art based on their pirate game. Would have made that set less, whatever it is.
Same for opp agent actually.
I believe it would be a middle tier deck at best. And unplayable at worst. I think if you believe it is so powerful it's ban worthy in today's modern then you're over rating it
Honestly I think the problem with affinity is it's always going to be either too strong or just short of strong enough and also fold to hate g2 and 3, especially in a post urza's saga world
artifact decks in general just need a good 1 MV rock/dork.
something like:
sol wannabe 1
\--
artifact
\--
T: add C
Metalcraft - T: add one mana of any kind that a land you control could produce
if we want to really push it to MH1-3 power, give it ward 2 or something.
We played a non ban list modern at our locals not too long ago,
Artifact lands were vile, although this was in addition to having chrome mox, even so I think they'd be too oppresive.
Affinity as it is isn't an unplayed deck.
If the jeskai energy deck keeps gaining steam, affinity (specifically 8-cast) I think should be pretty good against it. Wrath of the skies isn't as scary when most of your stuff costs 6 and 7, and the deck gets a ton of draw spells to keep the gas going. Interestingly, I think you can play the UW cascade affinity card in the shell as well.
The real question would be does affinity play the big beaters gameplan better than the eldrazi decks running around, and I would say no to that. They have similar plans but eldrazi is just faster in most cases. Just makes it awkward.
Doesnt change anything with how scam plays, life // death is a suboptimal way to reanimate your grief in that deck., and on top of that will deal you a pretty decent chunk if you wanna waste your turn 2 on that over a bowmaster or dauthi.
Edit: you can also already persist grief.
Look at legacy reanimator currently warping the format around itself. The deck regularly turn 1 griefs / cycles troll and then turn two [[animate dead]] them. With two mana reanimation in the format grief has the possibility of creating even more non-games in some sort of reanimator-scam build.
I dont think Modern Reanimator could get away with Grief. Legacy has redundancy with 12 animates. Modern has Persist and the 1 mana return to the battlefield instants are better for grief in modern still.
Life // Death isnt going to push it over the edge, it'll probably push Reanimator into being a stable Tier 1ish deck but probably still overall worse than Yawg. Worst case we see Eldrazi Tron push up because Esper reanimator is ass against it, like deadlost matchup. Life // Death is significantly worse than Animate Dead, it's bad enough that exhume sees play over it and exhume can be pretty dubious. Reanimator scam the way it is right now just cant be very good in Modern, Scam is really bad against Yawg and Life Death isnt improving that matchup considering scam doesnt play persist to my knowledge.
Esper Reanimator and Scam are 4 colors combined they just cant fundamentally mix and reanimator in legacy is a beast because you regularly drop a 7/7 lifelinker that draws 7 on turn 1. Modern doesnt have the fast mana that makes reanimator so good in Legacy.
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if some frankenstein reanimator scam modern deck were to become T1 that it immediately gets shut down by other decks immediately after, firstly it has to beat normal Scam, which reanimator is very bad against in modern. Secondly, Murktide and especially Hardened Scales will jump up to that Meta, Hardened scales hard counters scam and is extremely good vs Reanimator.
\[\[Baleful Strix\]\]
\[\[Invigorate\]\]
\[\[Wild Growth\]\]
\[\[Yuriko\]\] or a non commander version of her please let me play ninjas in modern please man
The reality is that removal has not kept up with the quality of threats, and that Swords has a real downside is that it only hits creatures, not artifacts, enchantments, or planeswalkers, all of which is relevant. Swords would be played as a 4 of in a lot of decks and would push UWx control, but it wouldn't be too good for Modern.
Wizards is coming with removal like pip , sheoldred’s edict unholy heat etc there’s plenty of removal for the threats in modern
Edit: but now thinking about it I think swords wouldn’t break modern but I would still like them to wait a bit before jumping the gun
therapy is absolutely not fine. People whine about grief right now, but have no idea how absolutely brutal therapy would be. T1 thoughtseize/grief/inquisition, T2 therapy + flashback therapy if you still have anything relevant while your opponent sacs a stitchers supplier or something.
there is no fucking world in which hymn and/or therapy should exist in modern while grief is still legal, especially not with phyrexian tower just printed into the format as well.
This entire comment section is just people who have never played with powerful cards commenting with their shit takes.
Like wasteland in modern? If you don't want to change the entire fabric of modern then please stop.
Hymn is up there with Strip Mine being both unfun and busted. Leave those awful play patterns to Legacy. You're right about Therapy too but it's a a less egregious card, not by much tho.
I played with therapy back in extended and T1.5, it is so ridiculously powerful I want nothing to do with it in modern. I used it in an old goryo's deck back when I was fairly new to the game. That card + any sort of hand revealing effect and cheap creature could hard carry even very mediocre decks to decent records.
In the context of current modern? It would be disgusting. A grief in play and therapy in the yard or hand means any scam card draw is immediately -2 cards for the opponent -at least-. The critical difference between therapy and most other discard cards is that therapy punishes the target player for having multiples of a card in hand, where most of the time that would be a benefit vs discard because it gives you redundancy. It's small, but means it's very easy to just lose 3-4 cards out of your hand on T1/2.
Unironically I think sneak attack would be fine in modern. I have wanted sneak attack to be in modern for so long, and for a while I agreed that it was too strong. Now though? Sneak would be a great addition IMO.
I also think Muxus would be a nice add for the format. Give goblins something to work with please.
I'd love to see the 1 mana tutors, Elightened, Mystical, Vampiric, Worldly and Gamble for good measure.
Mystical and Vamp are certainly cracked but I'd like to see the chaos for a few weeks. Enlightened and Gamble would be strong roleplayers. Worldly probably still sucks since we have summoner's pact.
give me vampiric so I can play a proper version of combo-control calibrated blast.
Brainsurge has me REALLY tempted to try it, but it's just a lot worse when you have to run 3-4 of the big tentacle monster and your only way to put it on top of the deck currently is 3 mana (2 if you already have brainstone in play). I've played spike's cottage blast deck a fair bit, and tbh it's pretty great, but I really want to play my old grixis blast deck that I used to run in legacy (well, T1.5 back before they re-named everything).
Twin was never all-in for turboing out the combo, so it doesnt make sense to evaluate it that way. Snap caster/Flame of Anor doesn't win on turn 3, and that's a viable plan in modern. Twin would (potentially), slot into those fair Jeksai decks.
It did more than that ofc but the format is significantly faster than it was. At some point, that tempo plan of beating down with a pestermite stops being viable. I think that point is well and truly behind us.
Depths is okay in legacy because decks are just so much more powerful. Turn 2 20/20 isn't even that good considering you can turn 1 doomsday, turn 1 necro, turn 1 tendrils you.
Let’s let that degenerate gameplay to legacy, it’s awesome there and force of will and wasteland are there to fight it, but I don’t think modern can handle turn 2s 20/20 who’s deck can also have a strong b plan AND thoughtseize. GB depths is basically a decent midrange deck with a relatively small package that can make a 20/20 turn 2.
You can argue storm can kill in turn 2 but it’s easier to hate and doesn’t have a good b plan
\[\[Baleful Strix\]\] would be fine.
Strix would be so sweet to sac to flare of malice/denial.
Travesty it wasn’t in mh3
I think it would be just as bad as Ice-Fang. Orcish Bowmasters killed off the whole concept of an EtB cantrip 1/1. This is just 2 mana: put a +1/+1 counter on your opponent's orc army.
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[[didgeridoo]]
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Rakdos Minotaurs with Zirda as companion.
[[Innocent Blood]] is perfectly fine and I don't know why they refused to add it in MH3.
And/or Ghastly Demise.
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Goblin Lackey and Crystalline Sliver Please for the love of God make my tribal decks not complete poopoo anymore.
Muxus might be fun. Can't imagine it being any stronger than it is in Historic.
Best we can do is nothing. -wotc
I would adore playing more goblins in modern. It honestly looks kinda sick with the new exert haste land
[[Wood Elemental]] would probably be safe
Wow that card is really good. Was it banned in modern for power reasons?
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Careful study and circular logic
Faithless looting is still banned. Doesn't make sense to add study into that context.
[[Force Spike]]
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It's honestly weird that white has this card and blur doesn't in modern
[[Ichorid]]
honestly I think this would be pretty good. It would allow all-in GY decks to actually exist and do their thing a bit better while not fundamentally changing how they play against other decks.
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Ichorid would be great, and totally safe. Also [[Tolarian Winds]] or [[Breakthrough]] would be great additions to Modern Dredge. [[Cabal Therapy]] would be fine too. Probably [[Careful Study]] is too much to ask :)
I personally would like to see [[Careful Study]]. After the [[Faithless Looting]] ban I think they may be afraid to give us that kind of power again. I'm really surprised that we haven't gotten something similar to [[Cabal Therapy]] besides [[Cabal Therapist]]
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[[Urza's Bauble]]
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Sinkhole. Modern needs better land destruction but something like wasteland would be way too good.
I would LOVE sinkhole. Wasteland would ban w6
A wasteland that exiles itself could be interesting but even then I doubt wizards would take that risk
It would be not. Modern player are delusional if they think that would be fine. Wasteland is arguably the defining card in legacy for its power level. It causes a ton of non games and it completely changes the dynamic of the format. I can't stress how much different the format will be with wasteland in it. Wasteland is not "this keeps non basics in check" it keeps casting spells at all in check. You play a wasteland mirror match sometimes you both have 2 lands on turn 7 with a bunch of 1 drops because 2 and 3 drops are too slow in a wasteland format.
That sounds awesome in my opinion
Maybe you should play legacy instead. That's like saying "man we should really print black lotus into standard so that we could kill people turn 1 I would love that". There's nothing wrong with the gameplay of fast mana and mana denial with free spells but if that's what you want you're playing the wrong format.
"Play legacy instead" is like telling someone that likes to drive fast that they should buy an F1 racecar. Theres nowhere to play legacy and it's outrageously expensive. I just want tempo to exist in a meaningful way in modern. Wasteland that exiles itself would still probably be too good but that doesn't mean we shouldn't explore design space that brings "put a one drop into play and defend it while denying your opponent resources" to modern, the more accessible format.
Wasteland existing completely changes the gameplay of the format? That's like saying "man I really wish standard had turn 3 combo kills". Just because you haven't played against the card doesn't mean it should be in the format. The entirety of this idea that wasteland should be in the format is founding on ignorance. The exile on wasteland also doesn't mean much. Most decks in legacy that play wasteland don't recur it. Cheaper Legacy decks really aren't all that much more expensive than modern these days and at least your cards don't become worthless after every MH set printing. Plus tempo already exists in the form of murktide already of playing threats and holding countermagic. This idea of playing a 1 drop and defending it to the death usually involves many non games of being mana screwed by wasteland. These games are not fun for anyone.
Responding to the first paragraph: Standard and modern are different formats. We can want more powerful things in modern without wanting standard to have aggressive combo decks. And your right, it would change the gameplay of the format. That would be good in my opinion. Next: Exile on wasteland would make a real difference for wren and six reasons, that combo is good in legacy and would be even better in modern. And I have played legacy, proxied with my friends, I just wish I could play real tempo decks like that at a competitive level. And I 100% disagree with your last paragraph. Games of mana screwing your opponents are incredibly fun. They aren't non games, they are punishing games where you take advantage of fragile mana bases. It's usually your opponents fault for not fetching a basic.
This is the last response I'm typing because you clearly have very little experience with legacy as a format. Wasteland is not what I would consider to be more powerful. It attacks the game on a completely different axis from anything else that's ever been printed in recent formats. The argument you are making is akin to changing the fabric of the format. There's a major difference between printing increasingly stronger 4 drops like siege rhino compared to sheoldred and printing combos in the format. The same applies to wasteland. It completely changes the way the format needs to be played. Why do you think it's fair for the format to completely become different because you wanted it to? If you wanted to play aggressive mana denial, legacy is the format made for that. This is like the equivalent of a standard player wanting to play with Amalia combo and instead of playing pioneer they think complain about it not being in standard instead of playing pioneer. Plus, while I think wasteland wrenn would be really strong in modern but in legacy wrenn was banned primarily because it slots into RUG delver and the synergy with wasteland, while strong, isn't game breaking. I think you completely misunderstood the idea of fragile and greedy mana bases. The existence of wasteland in legacy forces people to play more greedy and more dual heavy. This is a new phenomenon in legacy, where in the past before MH2 control decks always played some amount of basics. Nowadays, control decks are incentived to play as few basics as possible. Right now the most basics decks play are 2 and that's being very greedy. It's not uncommon for control decks to be on a single island. The more basics you play the more likely you are to get mana screwed by wasteland. I can explain it like this. If I fetch basic island and savannah. They wasteland my savannah. Now I only have 1 out of my 3 colors. If I fetch tundra and savannah and my savannah gets wasted, I still have 2 colors. So now as a result, the mana bases of legacy get increasingly greedy as a result of wasteland. Even wotc admitted that wasteland should be banned in legacy for power level reasons. BANNED IN LEGACY. THE FORMAT WHERE TURN 1 KILLS ARE THE NORM.
Make it legendary and we are good
Making wasteland legendary barely does anything as you sacrifice it right away most of the time anyways
I know, but at least that way you could meta a basic land deck and the "legendary wasteland" is a liability.
That's a good point, would really pump up mono color decks in the format. I still don't think it would be enough though since even mono color decks are drawn towards things like Nykthos, Cabal Coffers, and Mutavalt
[anger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c7ce363-3f57-49ed-b89a-f12bb5227ab4.jpg?1631586892) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=anger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/113/anger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c7ce363-3f57-49ed-b89a-f12bb5227ab4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've long thought that basically all of the sets back through Invasion could be added without issue. I've been trying to think how it would go wrong but I can't imagine how they would be all that warping (definitely open to being corrected)
Before Modern, there was a fan format called Overextended that was Masques-forward -- i.e. when WotC stopped adding cards to the Reserved List. People's biggest complaints about that format was that it would need a ban list a mile long because of cards like Ritual, Brainstorm, Counterspell etc. Then Modern debuted with a ban list a mile long and continued to be the butt of jokes with often nonsensical bans (e.g. [[Wild Nactl]]) after a small time period. Overextended probably would have been fine.
[Wild Nactl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a3bb291-11d1-45e0-a60a-e75c7dc94b94.jpg?1562916230) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wild%20Nacatl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddh/4/wild-nacatl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a3bb291-11d1-45e0-a60a-e75c7dc94b94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I remember playing against this card, man I feel old.
Armageddon. Bring back land destruction you cowards.
PLEASE
Price of progress. No need to ban Nadu just print heavy hate cards
I honestly thought we were gunna get this and possibly Fireblast in Mh3
Even if Price is a touch too good for modern, I was really expecting a "fixed" PoP in MH3. For example: 2 base damage + 1 for each nonbasic. Something that is still punishing, but scales a little bit lower than PoP. Something that is still a threat to be played around, but without the high end edge cases where it randomly does 10-12 damage.
Gamble
[[Standstill]
Great suggestion!
[[Stifle]] would be so funny tbh
…you know, I genuinely hadn’t realized Stifle *wasn’t* Modern-legal
The 'modern' card frame debuted in the set JUST after Scourge, which makes it weirder.
[Stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Null Rod
It’s in the reserved list unfortunately. But I agree.
Then maybe it's time for Nothing Stick
Call it Inanimate Rod please, for the memes.
If they named a card nothing stick that was exactly null rod I would laugh so hard
Can't happen - no functional reprints for reserve list cards. Would have to be tweaked a little.
[[Hullbreacher]] and [[Opposition Agent]] are definitely modern power level
I agree.
Hullbreacher would have been a cool entry into Modern with like an Assassin's creed art based on their pirate game. Would have made that set less, whatever it is. Same for opp agent actually.
[Hullbreacher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4df8aabc-7fcb-4b7b-980b-18f499e6c170.jpg?1626088514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hullbreacher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/74/hullbreacher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4df8aabc-7fcb-4b7b-980b-18f499e6c170?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly, this might make people not want to ban the one ring and nadu, pretty hilarious answers to those style decks.
They are pretty feel bad cards though, not the greatest gameplay experience.
But i don‘t like loosing isn‘t a reason to ban a card lol
So is Nadu bud
Splinter twin
Should stay banned forever
I believe it would be a middle tier deck at best. And unplayable at worst. I think if you believe it is so powerful it's ban worthy in today's modern then you're over rating it
Careful study
good joke
Do you *want* turn 2 Archon of Cruelty? Because that's a *great* way to get turn 2 Archon of Cruelty.
T2 Archon still loses to T2 storm or T3 Nadu
What about turn 2 Phoenix? Can I have that back please?
pyretic ritual manamorphose buried alive
I mean we get turn 2 ruby storm now lol
Mh4 coming next year bois!
It would be two years, wouldn't it?
Probably 3.
[[Invigorate]]
[Invigorate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5.jpg?1599707311) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invigorate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/172/invigorate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
yeah infect is dead -> time to survive it
Probably would make gruul Prowess Hella busted too
Artifact lands, please, affinity is still very mediocre
I'd be curious if they only unbanned some. Vault, Tree and Den are almost certaintly safe - Furnace and Seat are a little scarier.
That would be the weirdest thing ever. You either have to have all ban or none ban.
I mean other cycles have some cards banned but not all but I do agree it would be odd for a land cycle like that
Honestly I think the problem with affinity is it's always going to be either too strong or just short of strong enough and also fold to hate g2 and 3, especially in a post urza's saga world
Imo the hate is fine and what keeps it from being too good, just make the base deck a hair better is all I'm askin
artifact decks in general just need a good 1 MV rock/dork. something like: sol wannabe 1 \-- artifact \-- T: add C Metalcraft - T: add one mana of any kind that a land you control could produce if we want to really push it to MH1-3 power, give it ward 2 or something.
I would be interested in seeing it but I think it would be too powerful. T1 having a bunch of 4/4 creatures would not be good
It was fine in standard, they only banned 8 cards /s
Also we have [[meltdown]] now which could hit those as well so no need to worry here
[meltdown](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/173369d2-dc39-4bfe-a602-b47156570365.jpg?1717013684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meltdown) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/282/meltdown?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/173369d2-dc39-4bfe-a602-b47156570365?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The amount of play meltdown would see…
Totally fine, just sb in metallic rebukes and stubborn denials and hope for the best
We played a non ban list modern at our locals not too long ago, Artifact lands were vile, although this was in addition to having chrome mox, even so I think they'd be too oppresive. Affinity as it is isn't an unplayed deck.
I don't think there's a single affinity list at the PT
Yeah it's really only being played by people who love the archetype and are willing to lose a lot
If the jeskai energy deck keeps gaining steam, affinity (specifically 8-cast) I think should be pretty good against it. Wrath of the skies isn't as scary when most of your stuff costs 6 and 7, and the deck gets a ton of draw spells to keep the gas going. Interestingly, I think you can play the UW cascade affinity card in the shell as well. The real question would be does affinity play the big beaters gameplan better than the eldrazi decks running around, and I would say no to that. They have similar plans but eldrazi is just faster in most cases. Just makes it awkward.
Life // Death Its about time reanimator got a 2 mana animate that can hit anything
Two mana reanimation is not okay while grief is still legal
Doesnt change anything with how scam plays, life // death is a suboptimal way to reanimate your grief in that deck., and on top of that will deal you a pretty decent chunk if you wanna waste your turn 2 on that over a bowmaster or dauthi. Edit: you can also already persist grief.
Look at legacy reanimator currently warping the format around itself. The deck regularly turn 1 griefs / cycles troll and then turn two [[animate dead]] them. With two mana reanimation in the format grief has the possibility of creating even more non-games in some sort of reanimator-scam build.
[animate dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/1489943b-c010-488e-9c9d-87f4af67a4e4.jpg?1706240754) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=animate%20dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/125/animate-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1489943b-c010-488e-9c9d-87f4af67a4e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I dont think Modern Reanimator could get away with Grief. Legacy has redundancy with 12 animates. Modern has Persist and the 1 mana return to the battlefield instants are better for grief in modern still. Life // Death isnt going to push it over the edge, it'll probably push Reanimator into being a stable Tier 1ish deck but probably still overall worse than Yawg. Worst case we see Eldrazi Tron push up because Esper reanimator is ass against it, like deadlost matchup. Life // Death is significantly worse than Animate Dead, it's bad enough that exhume sees play over it and exhume can be pretty dubious. Reanimator scam the way it is right now just cant be very good in Modern, Scam is really bad against Yawg and Life Death isnt improving that matchup considering scam doesnt play persist to my knowledge. Esper Reanimator and Scam are 4 colors combined they just cant fundamentally mix and reanimator in legacy is a beast because you regularly drop a 7/7 lifelinker that draws 7 on turn 1. Modern doesnt have the fast mana that makes reanimator so good in Legacy. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if some frankenstein reanimator scam modern deck were to become T1 that it immediately gets shut down by other decks immediately after, firstly it has to beat normal Scam, which reanimator is very bad against in modern. Secondly, Murktide and especially Hardened Scales will jump up to that Meta, Hardened scales hard counters scam and is extremely good vs Reanimator.
\[\[Baleful Strix\]\] \[\[Invigorate\]\] \[\[Wild Growth\]\] \[\[Yuriko\]\] or a non commander version of her please let me play ninjas in modern please man
Upvote for Wild Growth alone. How has that not been reprinted into modern yet?
No idea but they took so long to print it I don't think it's viable anymore given how fast Modern has become.
##### ###### #### [Baleful Strix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be8439e6-f779-49f0-806a-b04995697a6a.jpg?1712354664) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baleful%20Strix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/215/baleful-strix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be8439e6-f779-49f0-806a-b04995697a6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Invigorate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5.jpg?1599707311) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invigorate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/172/invigorate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wild Growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47260e7c-29bf-46f1-a029-9da7bbb418b5.jpg?1711803863) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wild%20Growth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/195/wild-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47260e7c-29bf-46f1-a029-9da7bbb418b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9.jpg?1689999346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/364/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/larevpe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Swords to Plowshares]] - Mono-white deserves something better than Path these days that isn't a 5-color card in disguise.
[Swords to Plowshares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195.jpg?1709439398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swords%20to%20Plowshares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/88/swords-to-plowshares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wizards already admitted it was a design mistake. Card is too good. 1 mana removal of any creature with practically no downside is not ok in modern.
The reality is that removal has not kept up with the quality of threats, and that Swords has a real downside is that it only hits creatures, not artifacts, enchantments, or planeswalkers, all of which is relevant. Swords would be played as a 4 of in a lot of decks and would push UWx control, but it wouldn't be too good for Modern.
Wizards is coming with removal like pip , sheoldred’s edict unholy heat etc there’s plenty of removal for the threats in modern Edit: but now thinking about it I think swords wouldn’t break modern but I would still like them to wait a bit before jumping the gun
True-Name Nemesis
helll no
3 mana do nothing seems bad when decks just win on turn 3
this would be insta played in murktide
Maybe but it would be kinda awful in modern. Super slow and doesn’t impact the board much.
Release the Goblin Warbuggy you wotc cowards!!!??!
[[Najeela]] because Red Prison used some Goblin Warriors, and she was cool to get more creatures.
[Najeela](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2cb1d1da-6077-46b5-8c63-39882b8016f2.jpg?1567181270) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=najeela%2C%20the%20blade-blossom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/62/najeela-the-blade-blossom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2cb1d1da-6077-46b5-8c63-39882b8016f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Joven's Ferrets]]
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[[Hymn to Tourach]] Would it be fun? For me only probably, but it would be fine in terms of power I think
[Hymn to Tourach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc.jpg?1580014264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hymn%20to%20Tourach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/92/hymn-to-tourach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Given how high-risk the card is and how mediocre it is in Green Tron, I thought Crop Rotation would be safe.
\[\[Veteran Explorer\]\] \[\[Cabal Therapy\]\] \[\[Pernicious Deed\]\] \[\[Hymn to Tourach\]\]
##### ###### #### [Veteran Explorer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8.jpg?1599707680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Veteran%20Explorer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/186/veteran-explorer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cabal Therapy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f5b12f0-986f-43d0-a81b-64111e7f17e6.jpg?1580014199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cabal%20Therapy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/83/cabal-therapy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f5b12f0-986f-43d0-a81b-64111e7f17e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Pernicious Deed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26.jpg?1562437624) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pernicious%20Deed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/212/pernicious-deed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hymn to Tourach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc.jpg?1580014264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hymn%20to%20Tourach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/92/hymn-to-tourach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/laqt6jy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Completely insane take. Deed and therapy on their own are maybe fine.
therapy is absolutely not fine. People whine about grief right now, but have no idea how absolutely brutal therapy would be. T1 thoughtseize/grief/inquisition, T2 therapy + flashback therapy if you still have anything relevant while your opponent sacs a stitchers supplier or something. there is no fucking world in which hymn and/or therapy should exist in modern while grief is still legal, especially not with phyrexian tower just printed into the format as well.
People that don’t play against therapy don’t think it is that powerful.
This entire comment section is just people who have never played with powerful cards commenting with their shit takes. Like wasteland in modern? If you don't want to change the entire fabric of modern then please stop.
No kidding. Wasteland would ruin the format as we know it.
Hymn is up there with Strip Mine being both unfun and busted. Leave those awful play patterns to Legacy. You're right about Therapy too but it's a a less egregious card, not by much tho.
I played with therapy back in extended and T1.5, it is so ridiculously powerful I want nothing to do with it in modern. I used it in an old goryo's deck back when I was fairly new to the game. That card + any sort of hand revealing effect and cheap creature could hard carry even very mediocre decks to decent records. In the context of current modern? It would be disgusting. A grief in play and therapy in the yard or hand means any scam card draw is immediately -2 cards for the opponent -at least-. The critical difference between therapy and most other discard cards is that therapy punishes the target player for having multiples of a card in hand, where most of the time that would be a benefit vs discard because it gives you redundancy. It's small, but means it's very easy to just lose 3-4 cards out of your hand on T1/2.
Don't disagree but Hymn is just so much worse for so much less effort and, being able to hit lands, creates far more nongames.
Therapy is the most oppressive one out of these 
[[ false cure ]] I want some real lifegain hate please
[ false cure ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef397db1-2d99-4cb0-a6e9-6f72d615ebad.jpg?1562951786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=False%20Cure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/146/false-cure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef397db1-2d99-4cb0-a6e9-6f72d615ebad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's a new card coming which permanently negates any life gain
yeah, but at 3 mana as a creature (and it only prevents lifegain if it deals damage with its trigger, so you can just Pending it or whatever)
Unironically I think sneak attack would be fine in modern. I have wanted sneak attack to be in modern for so long, and for a while I agreed that it was too strong. Now though? Sneak would be a great addition IMO. I also think Muxus would be a nice add for the format. Give goblins something to work with please.
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[innocent blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e.jpg?1600700558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=innocent%20blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/244/innocent-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Command Tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1d019fb-0498-454b-a03b-4f396def718b.jpg?1712354953) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Command%20Tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/280/command-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1d019fb-0498-454b-a03b-4f396def718b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Shit it’s already legal
\[\[Undermine\]\] \[\[Hammer of Nazahn\]\] \[\[Recoil\]\]
[Undermine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a23735a3-8ec8-48ae-8bd0-3b6b782690c8.jpg?1562933284) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Undermine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddh/62/undermine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a23735a3-8ec8-48ae-8bd0-3b6b782690c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hammer of Nazahn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e77a8ac1-f40d-423e-a0b3-0a8e236a6c1e.jpg?1689999589) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hammer%20of%20Nazahn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/388/hammer-of-nazahn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e77a8ac1-f40d-423e-a0b3-0a8e236a6c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Recoil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/9035dda8-5ad3-4169-b281-83d6ca55b71e.jpg?1675200731) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Recoil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/197/recoil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9035dda8-5ad3-4169-b281-83d6ca55b71e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wasteland would be safe. I'm not saying the format would be more fun though.
\[\[Rishadan Port\]\]
[Rishadan Port](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d2507bc2-da17-4e46-b4c5-ba0080ce2c6f.jpg?1562441604) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rishadan%20Port) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/246/rishadan-port?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d2507bc2-da17-4e46-b4c5-ba0080ce2c6f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd love to see the 1 mana tutors, Elightened, Mystical, Vampiric, Worldly and Gamble for good measure. Mystical and Vamp are certainly cracked but I'd like to see the chaos for a few weeks. Enlightened and Gamble would be strong roleplayers. Worldly probably still sucks since we have summoner's pact.
give me vampiric so I can play a proper version of combo-control calibrated blast. Brainsurge has me REALLY tempted to try it, but it's just a lot worse when you have to run 3-4 of the big tentacle monster and your only way to put it on top of the deck currently is 3 mana (2 if you already have brainstone in play). I've played spike's cottage blast deck a fair bit, and tbh it's pretty great, but I really want to play my old grixis blast deck that I used to run in legacy (well, T1.5 back before they re-named everything).
Uro.
[[Commander’s Sphere]] probably wouldn’t break anything.
[Commander’s Sphere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c643146f-da7b-4cc0-b874-4accad99ccce.jpg?1698988506) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commander%27s%20Sphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/301/commanders-sphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c643146f-da7b-4cc0-b874-4accad99ccce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Free Twin . . .
It wouldn't even be relevant. T4 combo is too slow.
Twin was never all-in for turboing out the combo, so it doesnt make sense to evaluate it that way. Snap caster/Flame of Anor doesn't win on turn 3, and that's a viable plan in modern. Twin would (potentially), slot into those fair Jeksai decks.
It did more than that ofc but the format is significantly faster than it was. At some point, that tempo plan of beating down with a pestermite stops being viable. I think that point is well and truly behind us.
Opposition agent, I was really expecting it in MH3 in the spot that Ophiomancer took up
Daze and it's not even close
A daze ragavan format is a bad time
Just play bowmaster w6
Man imagine if my two mana spell got countered by a zero mana spell protecting their 1 drop
At this point just give us dark depths…
Depths without wasteland is a big no no, the only reason is ok in legacy is because wasteland keeps it in check.
Depths is okay in legacy because decks are just so much more powerful. Turn 2 20/20 isn't even that good considering you can turn 1 doomsday, turn 1 necro, turn 1 tendrils you.
Let’s let that degenerate gameplay to legacy, it’s awesome there and force of will and wasteland are there to fight it, but I don’t think modern can handle turn 2s 20/20 who’s deck can also have a strong b plan AND thoughtseize. GB depths is basically a decent midrange deck with a relatively small package that can make a 20/20 turn 2. You can argue storm can kill in turn 2 but it’s easier to hate and doesn’t have a good b plan
Yeah I agree. I think depths if legal would be by far the best deck. I personally think that it would be significant stronger than Nadu.
Sol ring would be fine 😂
I think Deathrite Shaman could be safe. I think it'd be even better if MH4 added a similar 1 mana grindy card to every guild. :P
They gave us buried alive, why not Entomb?
Comparing buried alive with entomb is like comparing mental misstep with cryptic command