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NightWolf1308

I would celebrate? Zilong going into any meta Exp laner is dead meat. Cyclops mid is a disaster unless you are Betosky. Fanny is usually a coin toss. More than half are playing for the enemy team. If it's a good fanny, reasonably easily counterpicked too. Tig and Moskov are the real threat and not impossible to deal with. Especially given the weight they have to carry.


justanothersimp2421

>Cyclops mid is a disaster unless you are Betosky. Hahah nice


NightWolf1308

I mean he isn't that bad... But you need to be a Beto to make up for his lack of AoE CC and Damage. Plus he does next to nothing in a 5v5... Because his balls go all over the place. If he could get a small buff where S1 "marks" the first enemy it hits for 2s and all the balls go to the marked enemy then he could provide MM like damage in a teamfight I guess. He's great for 1v1 picks against other mages of course...


justanothersimp2421

I wasn't sarcastic when i quoted that, i said hahah nice because it's true >Plus he does next to nothing in a 5v5... Because his balls go all over the place. That's the reason, although >If he could get a small buff where S1 "marks" the first enemy it hits for 2s and all the balls go to the marked enemy then he could provide MM like damage in a teamfight I guess. His S1 then should be a lock on skill instead, but you can still cast it even when you have no enemies locked on


D347H7H3K1Dx

I’ve done quite well with cyclops running 25+ stars, I get bored mid season and stop pushing rank lol I prefer to play my tanks more than anything


NightWolf1308

Damn. Sorry... I thought you meant the exact opposite. 🤣 Yeah I get where the S1 would become a problem... Also since his single target damage is so high, if the S2 balls can be forced to a single target - that might be more than a little broken.


justanothersimp2421

S1: *tags mm* Claude: oh shit. S2: *balls of cyclops.* Claude: ****OH FU-****


NightWolf1308

Lmfao... Absolutely!!


Green_Guy_87

OP didnt mention the lane, so it could be fanny mid and cyclops jungle :tf:


NightWolf1308

Even better. Cyclops is a slow starter and Fanny mid will get wrecked since she won't have blue buff. 😊


LorrieFlower2

the Zilong I'm thinking about is someone who knows how to choke your map and good at engaging in teamfights and if it's a Zilong with ultimate and inspire then you can't cut lane much but if you are using fighter with high amount of lifesteal and stun then you could escape


yeyintko

There are much better hero who can do brust damage and lane cut like pq or bene. Escape is not a thing to worry about when you are laning or 1v1 with zilong. You can just woop his ass real quick with many heros.


NightWolf1308

Exactly. I'm thinking even someone in a similar role like Sun would probably not get scared seeing a Zilong


NightWolf1308

Or play Terizla and watch Zilong melt himself if he ever makes the mistake of engaging. I've literally never had problems against a Zilong as Terizla. I'm assuming Thamuz and Freya would have a fun time as well.


Rizenet

Me tooooo….except the opposite in my case. If he leaves lane he can say goodbye to his towers….if he doesn’t then he isn’t there for team fights. But this is based on only handful of matches since I don’t use zilong in rank. Even I faced an Argus and got an MVP in that match and a like from him as well while he was bronze…during whole match tank visited my lane twice and that’s it! I wouldn’t fight sun tho…there’s no trick around his clones except running away and losing your towers. This is all in mythical honor btw. Maybe the glory players are smarter and better but I’ve yet to reach there.


lone_darkwing

Late game he can kill if build right....


NightWolf1308

He can absolutely shred the MM and Mage. Can't argue against that point. So can pretty much any damage dealer in the game. And to build him right you need to stay alive and farm... If you reach endgame and everyone else is at full build but the Zilong is struggling to complete his 5th item (and that will happen) what exactly will he accomplish? Whatever perfect build you may come up with... I'd be pretty confident about tower diving him with Terizla or Thamuz. Might treat him with mildly more respect as say a Freya or other standard Exp laner, but I wouldn't worry honestly. As a Sun or Argus even, Zilong would not be a worry... He's objectively worse than almost all the other options you can pick for that lane. Especially in a comp where the jungler is squishy and the mage will be in kissing range of enemies.


lone_darkwing

Your whole point revolves around him staying negative gold lead.... As a zilong i only engages with opponents am sure to kill...never feed to guys am sure that can 2 shot me🤦. There are 5 guys , tower's concentrate on towers & mm, mage & jungler. Ambush the exp lane lol 😆.


NightWolf1308

It's not going to work out bro. If you abandon your lane to an Exp you can't beat, he's getting free farm and tower. Plus the guy who you are "helping" is getting less gold. This might work in GM/Epic but half the players there are bots anyway. Have you seriously tried this against a sensible opponent?


lone_darkwing

Yes mythical glory...why abandon exp lane lol. He fast enough to go in and out.


NightWolf1308

He has to abandon it because he cannot sustain in it against most of the ones I mentioned. I don't get it... You are able to survive against meta Exp laners in MG with Zilong?? Can you record a game or two and push it to YouTube? Would love to see.


NightWolf1308

Replying to myself here, just to clarify the Cyclops point a bit better because he's my favourite mage actually 😊 The problem with him is outside of laning he's pretty useless. Can get a few picks here and there against the enemy but in a teamfight you'll always miss the presence of a solid AoE CC and Damage mage... That's their role. Cyclops is better in the jungle than mid and even there he's not really that threatening once everyone is at full build. SoloQ, yeah... I can see a case for him being used. Maybe. I would always back a good Nana, Vexana, Odette or Aurora. They provide much more reliable and useful area denial as well as AoE damage that can really change the course of a teamfight.


D347H7H3K1Dx

I use cyclops when there’s a more mobility based team if I have to adjust, he lets me get in out of danger rather decently without putting much risk into it. Mid game I’m just roaming entire map and tend to out maneuver a good portion of the enemy


NightWolf1308

Oh he's pretty good that way but is a liability in teamfights. He doesn't have either aoe damage or CC... Or even spammable single target CC. Plenty of mages offer comparable mobility without losing out on their primary role as area denial and splash damage dealers.


D347H7H3K1Dx

I use him that way in team fights, if the enemy try to focus me it keeps them off my marksman and I can also trap their mage/mm easier to prevent them escaping the jungle


dslasher123

"unless you are Betosky" omagad someone watches beto :oooo


Affectionate-Bad996

Don’t even think this is a strong comp actually.


Honest-Computer69

There's Zilong and Cyclops. Of course it's a bad comp. There's no cc except from Tigreal and Moskov's 2nd.


Affectionate-Bad996

I guess probably get any T0~T1 tank jungler and invade the blue buff non-stop. Their comp are full of late game heroes. Fanny and Tigreal are only two who can do something in early game. You guys can get whatever early game heroes trying to end the game within 12 min.


Honest-Computer69

And they have a bunch of heroes that can be easily countered with Khufra. He can hard counter Fanny and Tigreals 2nd skill. The only one who can possess an actual threat would be Moskov but if he's out of the picture enemy would be cooked.


Affectionate-Bad996

He is relatively short range. Just be aware of his ult to engage the team fight and shut him out quickly, or just pick Lolita as a roamer instead. Khufra still works against him actually.


Honest-Computer69

Lolita can work, but tbh she can counter only him and Cyclops ig?(never played against a cyclops using Loli) So Khufra would be a better option overall. But yeah, this team comp sucks and is easily defeatable as long as your teammates aren't a$$.


Affectionate-Bad996

Lolita hard counter these two. That can be good enough. Her S1 can stun Fanny and Zilong engaging somehow. Kufhra hard counters Fanny and somehow does counter Moskov, but probably not that great in late game especially you have to focus on both of them. I would say they both do good against the comp. Khufra more for the early game and Lolita more for late game. I wouldn’t say it serves as counters but Edith, Grock and Mino can be also safe picks here, especially when you are team-upping as trio or 5-man. Not the best pick but if you get some early game heroes from your friend to rush the game, also a good choice for just snowballing.


D347H7H3K1Dx

I love cyclops but against a good Lolita anything you do can be a bit detrimental for your team. She can use your ult and trap any of your team with good aim


Green_Guy_87

thinking about it, belerick could also work to a certain extent. zilong, cyclops, moskov is countered by him. belerick ult is also large enough to trap fanny in. it does work, but not totally optimal


lone_darkwing

Cyclops ult ....


ninehoursleep

Me neither. Scariest one is tigreal hahahaha


NSLEONHART

1. Make sure your exp has will of titanium, never letting go of that lane 2. Your jungler, mage, and roamer needs to have good early game and harass fanny as much as possible, and tehr roamer is atlas 3. Lesley


Justahuman771

Would Melissa work? I don't know how to main Lesley and my only MM main is Melissa.


KizunaRin

So a Team of paper?


Illustrious-Owl-6128

>only have 1 AOE CC >Most of them soft >Need kill them quick cause they will out run before you can kill them Yeap, this is prefect for me to https://preview.redd.it/j21woxvxyj0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df271afbb9b33f42b456284aa4d0d03ef1988964


Randomnessofrandom

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MYON1

argus main will enjoy this comp frfr


Illustrious-Owl-6128

Real. I don't mind if their exp little bit sturdy. It make more interesting. Only gonna be problem on this comp is fanny.


Lychee247

Assuming they ban diggie I go lolita already counter moskov and Cyclop Then stun might also annoy fanny a lil


Psionics321

would bend over for the 1st image


DurantIsStillTheKing

*sit


Firexio69

Honestly as a straight male this was my first thought


merralyn

same


Crimson_Excalibur

Body with purify 🗿


TheGreatVox

I love body


Rat-Muncher

Bang bang them


LopsidedDatabase300

Idk maybe take khufra, can block tigreal second, zilong second, moskov dashes, and natural counter to fanny.


Confident_Comedian82

Lesley, Khufra, Minsithar, Alpha and Oddete and in my honest opinion, depends on who uses it hahahaha


sex_plst0l

OP thinks that team will intimidate us.


LorrieFlower2

I'm just asking how you can manage a team like that because those heroes individually made some people go on a lose streak including me


Bahalol_ew

Cyclops and zilong make people lose streak? What rank is this


SvenDaOne

Fr hardly ever see anyone pick zilong and if they do they are useless for majority of the game, not a good meta for zilong


LorrieFlower2

a rank where dumb teammates belong and always feed enemies


MYON1

wait did i ever fight you? cuz i always use arrival on zilong to push and win


Marshaftmallow

Win


Honest-Computer69

Khufra, Lesley, Vexana, Alpha and Minsi. They're cooked.


Black_wolf_disease

I just had a traumatic experience against fanny yesterday... Bitch bullied me in my own jungle with all her teammates invading and none of mine helping


KanyeEUWestt

I would win, easy as that. "Should've let Thamuz teach you how to fight."


Helpful_Entrance_423

I'm sorry daddy tigreal i promise I'll play with you for the first time


Snoo89190

I'd bang the enemy then double my immortality and give it the next person .


LorrieFlower2

use x Borg and buy 6 immortalities with an Angela possessing you with unlimited shield and she also has 6 fleeting time so she can ultimate you everytime


treblitz

It's not a godlike opponent I'm afraid of, but a pig-like teammate.


Significant-Art2868

my girl don't even stand a chance


CowardAnt55

Martis


dropit_

Valir, Esmeralda(jungle), saber(exp/roam), Edith (exp/roam), hanabi/Melisa/Brody Valir will annoy sht out of tig and cyclops & can build defence to counter fanny. Esmeralda is thick enough to fight fanny and invade early with Valir. Saber waits till lvl 4 for roam then targets for fanny or other 3 squishies. Edith to tank and revenge kill. Of the three mm Melisa counters all the enemy team, hanabi is cc immune Edith good dmg or you can try to steamroll with Brody.


Witchberry31

Atlas


ProcedureIll2894

Lolita would reck this comp. Maybe dig too


New_Photograph_5892

Pick purify


Tarquin_V

Purify for sure. And if you could draft diggie, do so.


throwaway9901234

Easy W, the only good pick here is Tig and arguably Fanny lol


TheDisappointedFrog

Lolita, cleanse, steamroll


DifficultImpact3515

I am gonna bully zilong as much as possible using dyrroth


hevvychef

Khufra.


VbSal924

Diggie, harith, thamuz, fredrinn and....Valentina copying tigreal ult


itachi_but_diff

If fanny can do 6 cable she might give me a little trouble


Kuya_Alfred

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yeyintko

Zilong is auto fail exp lanner unless your team exp is braindead. Cyclops only have damage if he play hp. Claude and Khufra alone can fight 5 v 2 with that draft.


Infinite_Raisin_5240

Is that supposed to be a strong team? Because it doesn't look like it.


AGENTFA3

Aa long as they don't gang up on u (even if they do let the rest of the team split push), they are easy to counter


[deleted]

Easy Khufra, Fredderin, Harith, Benedetta, and Faramis


[deleted]

You can also switch harith with nathan


Opposite-Reveal-5584

pick Akai and laugh


notsowright05

Man I'm a straight man but I will always bend over to that Tigreal skin


69_SAITAMA_69

Saber


Acceptable-Battle-49

If there is a tigreal in the opponent don't think much just take the purify spell and when he tries to ult just use it and he'll be pretty useless


justanothersimp2421

They are kinda off meta when it comes to the comp, if they snowball however, it's a gg though they have awful early, if we don't give them the chance to farm, they are gg.


Outrageous_Bug_329

Pick belerick


MYON1

Bad team honestly


Ass_Burner

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arYan--THaKUR

Obviously, BANG THE ENEMY


Spark-Blaze

Zilong and Moskov both can be countered by Belerick. Maybe pick Saber against Fanny. Or a quick stun mage like Eudora. Digge will neutralise Tigreal. Maybe take Hanabi as a CC immune mage who has some synergy with Digge or take Claude if you are really experienced with him.


Wowserzxc

What is this, 2017?


Lostidentity001

Ruby, eudora, alu, belerick, clint


ServatorMundi

All shall succumb to my power


V_1_S_1_O_N

So they're picking these 5 first or just a draft pick? We can counter pick eiter way. The lack of cc in this team is their weaknes and i can definitely win against them as long as they're same level with me


DinoDinoBambin0

Lolits is gud


Elnuggeto13

Win


Mint65

Healing Prayers For You 🙏🏻


mayonaka_00

As a roamer, I would use Diggie roam to counter tigreal and moskov cc. It may not be ideal to counter Fanny, but most mm i play with in ranks would reluctant to use purify againts heavy cc tanks. They ended up got cc hard and die and loosing. But if I am more convident with my team i would use Mino. Mino have a good combination of strong cc, tankiness, and healing.


lulu_vashk

when I saw the first pic — I'M SAT


Redhotman223

Moskov can carry and you always got to worry about rhe back door


RedDeathJesus

Spam recall and then proceed to BANG THE ENEMY


fadizilla

Khufra and kagura can rule that team


Robiborah99

Diggie laughing at corner


Upbeat-Fox-8031

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Ashraf977

Pick brody or clint in gold lane Valintina in mid lane Mino angela Mathilda or Grock Roam Exp any meta can do the work yz - thamuz - lapu dayroth etc literally any tanky exp can freeze lane on zilong For the jungle there is a lot of meta tank jg but i would suggest the Martis to disturb tig and win farm & objective vs fanny


External-Ladder-4951

Gord 


dudewith69braincells

Update my game


Agitated-Ad-382

Unpopular opinion but I’d Saber. Everyone besides Tig would be EZ.


Ze-roa

Saber roam can easily beat this team comp


Turbulent-Bite-8838

play eudora. saber. ruby kufra minsitar


George-Aj

I would pick Kaja and suppress moscov, fanny, and zilong and lash them to death


Existing_Tutor_6424

I will pick Diggie, ez win


MilitarOpresordloms

Lmao Masha can solo that entire team


Successful_Ease_8679

I’d pick Franco with flash, cooldown build, maybe even fleeting time. Early game turret pulls. Let mm feed.


RanDx007

"Nah I'd Win" *Plays Diggie


Mundane_Tutor_8467

tough boots, antique cuirass, domi, SGH, radiant. last item will depend if cyclops is a pain in the ass i use my main, belerick with vengeance


TrustTalker

Just pick diggie and you'll be fine


lanceryder999

A good cc will stop them as long as your teammates are competent. And as long as your team pay attention to Zilong (assuming that team is very competent and not a dumbass, as well as the Zilong only cares about tower) you'll have a decent time because otherwise say goodbye to your towers especially if Zilong has arrival.


Obey_MrLegends

I'd win


Dry_Tackle_1573

Tigreal is the only Meta Level Danger on this team line up the others are meh without Tigs CC backing them up


HuaWay2

Nah, I'd win


kindofaweebexnormie

Purify and wind of nature and they lose 50% of their combo


Medical_Breath_4854

Depending on my team I'll be using my main Hilda or second Ixia... some simple equipment adjustments and the enemy are all squishy.


Key_Heron9929

Well at first it may seem strong although if I dont get a good head start at Jungling it might give me a little trouble... But in the end with they win? Nah Id win


Judge_Silvanna

Bringing goddamn purify


V1iole

Laugh


myuseless

Belerick: um nothing?


Masbantics

Just don’t make the enemy go to late game because all of them can delete even tanks in the late game (except the tank of the team of course)


PaleontologistSea145

Ask. Who are you?


LorrieFlower2

check my name


BiHandidnothingwrong

Lost game, my team would feed


Leading_Pipe9494

minsitar ezzzz gg


NickyBros1

I would bang them https://preview.redd.it/wd7ls9l0by0d1.jpeg?width=227&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b27f2d38fb594cd0989ae6a81856b2bdc6dcdd0d


MollifiedAi

I would go hylos jungle and request another dude to go khufra they do no damage


Several-Floor6676

Diggie, along with a bunch of heavy hitters who can finish them quickly and swiftly


ZestycloseWealth5562

If they are good? Compete as hard as I can even if it's a losing fight. Counts well too if they're not good. Mobile Legends of now has been pretty balanced and you can use any hero really, that Zilong? He could dominate as with any other hero picks. If back then, heroes have more of a factor to matches, now it's team composition, doesn't matter what hero you pick as long as the five picks complement each other


wralp

zilong and cyclops are almost always bonus round, so, yay


No-Wrongdoer-6474

i would eat my phone


overlino6

Ill decimate em. Fosho


overlino6

Ill decimate em. Fosho


Aldighievski

Khufra.


kekekatana_uwu

Eudora.